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GLORIA HUNNIFORD: We asked you to tell us what's left you | 0:00:03 | 0:00:05 | |
feeling ripped off, and you contacted us in your thousands. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
ANGELA RIPPON: You've told us about the companies you think get it wrong | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
and the customer service that simply is not up to scratch. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
I've complained and complained and nobody takes any notice of me. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
In all honesty, I think it's just a way for the shops to make more money. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
JULIA SOMERVILLE: You've asked us to track down the scammers who stole | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
your money and investigate the extra charges you say are unfair. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
You don't want to spend any more, | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
but yet, they are always trying to offer you little things extra. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
And when you've lost out, but nobody else is to blame, | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
you've come to us to stop others falling into the same trap. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
I rang up the company and they went, | 0:00:38 | 0:00:39 | |
"Oh, it isn't our fault." So whose fault is it? | 0:00:39 | 0:00:41 | |
So, whether it's a blatant rip-off or a genuine mistake... | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
We're here to find out why you're out of pocket | 0:00:45 | 0:00:47 | |
and what you can do about it. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
Your stories, your money. This is Rip-Off Britain. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
Hello and welcome to Rip-Off Britain, where today, | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
we have one of the most genuinely shocking cases | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
that we've ever featured on this programme. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
And I'm afraid it's left the couple at the heart of it all | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
with absolutely nothing to show | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
for the hundreds of thousands of pounds that they ploughed | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
into their dream home. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:13 | |
And while our other stories today don't have quite | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
the same dramatic impact as that particular tale, | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
they are all decidedly in the same nerve-racking territory, | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
and that is there the problems and pitfalls that go hand-in-hand | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
with the biggest purchase that any of us is ever likely | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
to make in our lifetimes. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:31 | |
That's purchasing our homes. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
Now, whether you're buying a brand-new property | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
or completely renovating an old one, | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
choosing who you can trust to build, convert | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
or even just fix up your home can be a real minefield. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
And as we're going to see, when things don't go to plan, | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
it may not be as easy as it should be to get the whole thing resolved. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
Coming up, the builders booked to convert a basement, | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
but instead cause the entire house to collapse to the ground. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:59 | |
I just think we were in shock. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:00 | |
Watching it unfold, we all just had to stand on the street and | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
watch it sort of disintegrate. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
And brand-new homes with a catalogue of basic errors. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
The roof, in essence, we've had replaced three times now. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
I've been without a garden for 12 weeks. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
Discovered that the wall was damp outside. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
Now, everyone knows that, if you're planning work on your home, | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
then choosing the right builder is crucial. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
Well, never was that truer than for the family in our next film. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
Their case is so jaw-dropping that | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
we've genuinely never come across anything like it before. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
The situation is made all the worse because they did everything right | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
when they first picked the company to do the job. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
But that didn't stop them from losing | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
not just hundreds of thousands of pounds, but their home as well. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
Here's a typical North London house before... | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
and after the builders started work. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
Yes, the entire property has collapsed. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
We're paying a mortgage on a hole in the ground at the moment. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
It's just the injustice here. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
The builder can get away with this sort of thing | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
and keep on trading, has not had to pay a penny. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
'Jacquie Hale and her partner Ed have been living here | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
'in rented accommodation since their home fell into the ground in 2012. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
'They'd bought the lease on their North London ground-floor flat | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
'a year earlier and, with plans to extend their family, | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
'they soon spotted that they could do the same with their property too | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
'by converting the basement.' | 0:03:32 | 0:03:33 | |
We found this place and it seemed ideal. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
It had potential for development to make it into a family home. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
It was actually right next door to a family friend who had... | 0:03:40 | 0:03:45 | |
It was the identical property and he had a basement conversion | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
and it sort of made up our minds. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
'Little did they know that, once they'd moved in, | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
'it wasn't just their dreams | 0:03:54 | 0:03:55 | |
'that would come crashing down around them. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
'With the necessary permissions in place, they set about | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
'finding a builder they could trust with such an important project.' | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
This seemed like a very tricky job. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
That's why I went through what I thought were all the checks we could | 0:04:07 | 0:04:12 | |
possibly do to find the right one. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
'First, the couple went to the trade association | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
'that represents some of the most qualified builders in the business.' | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
We found the builder through the Federation of Master Builders website. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:26 | |
We put a job specification onto the site and that allowed numerous | 0:04:26 | 0:04:31 | |
different builders to reply and we had responses | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
from probably five or six people. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
'While builders don't have to join a trade association, | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
'the Federation of Master Builders vets its members, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
'which gave Jacquie the confidence | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
'that she'd end up with the right company for the job. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
'And she thought that's what she'd got when she plumped for local firm | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
'AIMs Plumbing and Building Services - | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
'not to be confused with other companies with similar names. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
'By now, Jacquie was expecting the first of their two children, | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
'so she and Ed were keen to get on with the project.' | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
The fact that you were pregnant, I presume time was of the essence. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
Yes. My first baby was due in January. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
And he was meant to be finishing the work by December. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
That wasn't our only decision to hire him, of course, | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
but it certainly helped. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:21 | |
'The company's owner Christopher Knott quoted | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
'just over ?38,000 for the job | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
'and put Jacquie in touch with satisfied customers for a reference. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
'But Jacquie's checks didn't stop there. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
'She also asked to see the firm's insurance documents to make sure | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
'they'd be properly protected if anything would go wrong with | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
'the delicate task of underpinning the foundations of the house.' | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
It didn't seem like he was covered for the work, | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
so I explained this to him and made him take out a new policy, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:54 | |
which he did, and then I actually phoned the company and asked, | 0:05:54 | 0:05:59 | |
were he to take on this sort of job, | 0:05:59 | 0:06:00 | |
would he be covered? And they said yes. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
'With Jacquie feeling that | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
'she'd done all she could to prepare for any eventuality, | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
'work began in September 2012 and was expected to last three months, | 0:06:07 | 0:06:12 | |
'but, one morning eight weeks later, Jacquie and Ed woke up | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
'to see a large crack in their bedroom wall.' | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
It was wide enough to see through to the outside, | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
and we called the builder. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
He came and had a look. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
He seemed a little bit worried, | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
but still didn't give us any indication that it was very serious. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:33 | |
'The builder tried to support the wall by bracing it | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
'against the house next door, but that temporary fix didn't stop | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
'other cracks also starting to appear further up the house.' | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
The tenants who were living in the upstairs flat came and knocked | 0:06:43 | 0:06:47 | |
on the door and asked us to come and have a look at their flat, | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
because the cracks were getting quite large there. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
I was only up there for maybe 30 seconds or a minute, | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
and then I came back down to our flat | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
and the same cracks were appearing. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:00 | |
'That's when Jacquie and her neighbours realised | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
'they shouldn't be inside any longer.' | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
They were appearing in front of your eyes, were they? | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
In front of our eyes. It was like being in a disaster movie, | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
when the house... | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
There's an earthquake or something happening | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
and the house just disintegrates. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
'Jacquie called the emergency services, who, realising the danger, | 0:07:20 | 0:07:24 | |
'quickly evacuated the neighbouring properties too. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
'As the couple and their neighbours looked on, | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
'the walls of their house started to come away from the one next door | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
'and, over the next few hours, their home slowly fell into the ground.' | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
I just think we were in shock, all of us probably in shock, just... | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
watching it unfold. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
We all just had to stand on the street and watch... | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
watch it sort of disintegrate. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
And when the builder arrived at the scene, he didn't hang around. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:55 | |
Where was the builder? When we called him and he came, had a look, | 0:07:55 | 0:07:59 | |
saw emergency services and just ran off again. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
He ran off? Yeah. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
He just disappeared. Did he say anything to you? | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
No. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:08 | |
No. I think, at that point, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
he was probably in as much shock as we were. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
We didn't know at the very beginning | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
that it was definitely the builder's fault. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
'Not only was their home gone, but most of their possessions were too.' | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
We lost everything. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
It was just taken away in skips as we were watching. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
There was no way to retrieve it. We weren't allowed back in. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
'The family moved in with Ed's sister while they attempted | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
'to sort out the devastating mess.' | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
How did you set about just trying to find out who was at fault? | 0:08:35 | 0:08:41 | |
Immediately, we had to notify the insurance companies that this had | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
happened. We had to find a solicitor and we had to find an engineer who | 0:08:45 | 0:08:52 | |
could examine the site to determine what had actually happened. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:57 | |
'The structural engineer's report | 0:08:59 | 0:09:00 | |
'indicated that it was the builder's work that was to blame, | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
'as the house simply hadn't been propped up properly. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
'So, while Jacquie and Ed's own insurance covered the contents | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
'they'd lost inside the house, they expected the builder's insurance | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
'would foot the bill for the building itself. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
'But with the total damage to the property | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
'running to not far off ?300,000, | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
'the insurers didn't seem keen to do that.' | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
The builder's insurer did not engage with us at all, | 0:09:25 | 0:09:30 | |
refused to acknowledge our communications. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
'After getting nowhere, | 0:09:35 | 0:09:36 | |
'Jacquie and Ed felt their only option was to go to court. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
'And when the case was heard in 2015, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
'the judge ruled that the building firm was at fault and, as such, | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
'it was ordered to pay for the repairs. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
That should have been an end to it, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
'but in fact, the firm's insurer refused to pay, | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
'citing various reasons why it claimed the building company | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
'had broken the terms of its cover.' | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
Where has the judgment left you now? | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
We're really no further forward than we were the day it collapsed, | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
so we know we weren't at fault, we know who was at fault, | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
but, financially, we are in the same position - actually worse off | 0:10:12 | 0:10:17 | |
than we were when it first happened. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
'The couple still hope they may be able to convince | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
'the builder's insurer to pay out, but months have passed | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
'with no progress in that direction and it's not as if they can pursue | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
'the building company itself any more, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
'because AIMs Plumbing and Building Services has gone out of business.' | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
How did that make you feel? | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
We were disappointed, because we knew that meant he was off the hook. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
'The man behind AIMs Plumbing and Building Services, | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
'Christopher Knott, set up a new company, | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
'AIMs Building and Maintenance Services, | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
'within weeks of the house falling down. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
'In the years since, that too has ceased trading | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
'and he is now director of another building firm in the same area. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
'But because all these were limited companies, | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
'he has no personal liability for what happened. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
'Meanwhile, the ones losing out are Jacquie and Ed, | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
'who are stuck with 23 years of repayments on a home | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
'they can't even live in and that can't be rebuilt | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
'until there's an agreement on who's going to pay for it.' | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
What really upsets the couple is that they thought they'd followed | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
all the recommendations for finding the right builder. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
Now, they find themselves paying out for a mortgage on a home | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
that no longer exists. It's basically just a hole in the ground. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
Well, when we contacted the building firm's insurers, | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
a company called Covea, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
it told us it sympathises with Jacquie and Ed's situation, | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
but for legal reasons can't comment on the case in too much detail. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
It did however say that it had gone beyond its obligations in trying to | 0:11:45 | 0:11:50 | |
find a solution and that it is | 0:11:50 | 0:11:51 | |
actively supporting negotiations to help reach a conclusion. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:56 | |
We also, of course, contacted the builder, Christopher Knott, | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
but he didn't reply. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:00 | |
As Jacquie and Ed only owned the lease on their home, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
it was the freeholders' insurance that would normally | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
cover the building, but it seems that particular policy didn't extend | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
to covering the property's collapse if the cause was building work. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
Jacquie and Ed had been aware of that, | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
but, of course, believed they would be protected | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
by the extra cover they'd got the builder to take out. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
So if you're planning an extension or major works, | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
perhaps the best advice is to consider taking out | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
your own insurance for the job, rather than relying on the builders' | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
because, however good their policy may seem, | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
you've no control over whether they stick to the terms. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
'But while Jacquie and Ed's case rumbles on, | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
'it's hard to understand how the whole thing could have come about, | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
'considering they'd employed a paid-up member | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
'of the Federation of Master builders. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
'Brian Berry is the Federation's Chief Executive and he maintains | 0:12:52 | 0:12:56 | |
'that stories like Jacquie and Ed's are extremely rare.' | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
This is a very sad case, but it's also unique. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
When this came to light, we suspended the company immediately | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
and then we asked the company to come before | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
a national standards and conduct committee. They reviewed the case | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
and they agreed that, actually, the member company should be expelled. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
And that company will never come back into the FMB again. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
If things go wrong between a builder and a client, | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
does your association intervene? | 0:13:23 | 0:13:25 | |
Does it have a process for reconciling the two? | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
Yes, we do have a process of, if a client has a problem | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
with one of our members, they can contact us. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
In most cases, builders want to do a good job | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
and they're very keen to go back and rectify it. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
Now, if the problem continues, we offer a dispute resolution process. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:44 | |
Both sides have to agree and then | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
there will be an independent adjudicator to look at the problem. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
'But none of that's been much help to Jacquie, who'd assumed that, | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
'by choosing a member of the FMB, she would be in safe hands.' | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
So, in a funny kind of way, | 0:13:57 | 0:13:58 | |
if you expel somebody, you leave them outside your remit | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
and therefore, in a way, there's less protection for the client. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
Yes, unfortunately, that is the case. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
The company can continue to operate, change their name, | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
and the consumer then is not actually protected. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
This is an ongoing self-regulation, because the government has said, | 0:14:15 | 0:14:19 | |
actually, it doesn't want to commit | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
to any former licensing or regulation of builders. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
'All of which means Jacquie is still lumbered with a huge mortgage | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
'and a huge hole where her family home used to be.' | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
We've tried everything we can. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
The legal channels we've been following | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
have so far come to dead ends. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
We've got about ?125,000 left to pay. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
There's just, um... There's not a lot else we can do, really. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:48 | |
'It's a desperately sad situation | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
'and we'll be watching for further developments.' | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
Now, we get a steady stream of e-mails and letters from viewers | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
who bought a brand-new home from a developer, | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
but say they haven't got what they paid for. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
Sometimes, it's because the list of unfinished snags | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
runs for pages and pages or, in some cases, | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
there's something seriously wrong with the building itself. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
Either way, the buyer wants it fixed | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
and, when that's not happening fast enough, they end up coming to us. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
But where do you draw the line? | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
Even after you've spent hundreds of thousands of pounds, | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
there's not always agreement on what the developer should put right | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
and what the homeowner should just put up with. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
Every new home is likely to have the odd snag here and there, | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
but at this development near Hemel Hempstead, | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
the problems some owners face with their brand-new properties | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
are rather more fundamental. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
The roof, in essence, we've had replaced three times now. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
I've been without a garden for 12 weeks. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
I discovered the wall was damp outside. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
'And the problems at Gavin Jones' new family home are so bad, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
'the builders have been forced to go back to the drawing board.' | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
We had water building around our property. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
We needed basically to lower the entire ground level | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
and put new drainage in. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:15 | |
'Built by Crest Nicholson in 2014, the development should have provided | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
'families like Gavin's with hassle-free new homes. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:25 | |
'After all, that's one of the main reasons for buying a new-build home, | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
'rather than an older one that might need updating.' | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
I didn't want to do any building work or anything like that | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
to an older home, so we approached the developer. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
Obviously, put the reservation down and agreed the purchase price. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
And then about, literally only about a month or two later, | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
we moved into the new home. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:45 | |
'Gavin did anticipate there'd be a few things | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
'that would need to be put right.' | 0:16:49 | 0:16:50 | |
I did a snag list of all the really minor things you would expect. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
They were relatively quick fixes and, to be honest, | 0:16:54 | 0:16:56 | |
they were reasonably quick to pick up on the first few of those, | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
so I was quite pleased. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
'But he'd never have imagined | 0:17:01 | 0:17:02 | |
'there'd be other problems that were more serious. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
'The gardens behind Gavin's house are much higher than his, | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
'so retaining walls were built to support the earth. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
'Gavin soon noticed they were bowing under the pressure, so, | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
'worried about his family's safety, he contacted Crest Nicholson, | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
'who came to fix the problem. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
'But the garden wall wasn't the only problem. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
'There was a big issue inside, too. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
'Gavin's kitchen ceiling was damp.' | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
I took a good look at the flat roof | 0:17:28 | 0:17:29 | |
and, instead of having a small slope, obviously, | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
to get rid of the water, ours was completely flat. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
That water was coming through the ceilings. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
'The only solution was to install a completely new roof, | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
'but, though the developer did that, it too developed the same problem.' | 0:17:42 | 0:17:46 | |
Quite astonishingly, that roof did exactly the same thing. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
They hadn't changed the design, so it pooled again, we had more leaks. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:54 | |
'In fact, over the next 14 months, | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
'the problem with the roof had to be repaired again and again.' | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
How many roofs was that? | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
Four roofs in the end. We've now had four altogether. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
Goodness. And you can imagine the scaffolding goes up with each one. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
We lose the garden and access for literally months on end | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
as they're doing the works. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
'And as if that wasn't bad enough, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
'the correct drainage hadn't been installed in Gavin's garden, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
'leading to rainwater pooling round the outside walls of the house. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
'To fix that, tonnes of earth had to be removed from the back garden | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
'and new drainage installed.' | 0:18:26 | 0:18:27 | |
We asked surveyor and property expert Roger Southam | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
to take a good look at the property | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
and he soon finds plenty of things he doesn't like. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
The most obvious thing is the air bricks, | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
where there just weren't enough around the house. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
There should've been eight, there was only three. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
And even now, there's an X marked on a brick | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
where they physically can't put an air brick in, | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
because of a drain that's behind that should've been in there. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
And he's not at all impressed by all those problems with the roof. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
It's had to be replaced to get the water running away | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
and not pooling on the structure. All of these things are fairly basic | 0:18:58 | 0:19:02 | |
and should've been avoided to start with. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
And while it does at last seem the leaking roof has been | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
fixed for good, Roger's less certain about that garden wall. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:13 | |
There were no weep holes put into the retaining wall, | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
so there was no way for the water that was going to build up behind | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
to actually be released. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
Additional work has been carried out and weep holes have been installed, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
but, looking at the wall, it does look as if it's bowing partly to me | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
and I still think that needs investigating. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
Roger believes the entire wall needs to be rebuilt | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
and the ground behind it properly braced. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
But these issues aren't confined to just Gavin's house. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
Very similar glitches have plagued other residents, too. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
Indeed, Gavin's next-door neighbour Justin came across his first problem | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
with the roof the very moment he and his wife moved in. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
We found our entire roof coping stones | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
lying on the grass in front of us and that was the start of issues | 0:19:57 | 0:20:02 | |
we've had dealt with, um, since we moved in. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
Again, Justin's garden's had no drainage. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
Nor was the retaining wall at the back of the garden properly installed. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
And the kitchen roof repeatedly collected water and leaked. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
The roof, in essence, we've had replaced three times now, | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
since that first one went up. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
Justin and Gavin's homes back on to their neighbour Luke's. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
It's his garden being held back by that retaining wall, | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
so that's where most of the remedial work has taken place. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
You don't expect to deal with this from day one. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
The disparity is between what you're sold of that dream - | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
walking into a new-build house, making it nice and easy - | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
to the actual reality. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:49 | |
'Pensioner Alan moved here with his wife in order | 0:20:51 | 0:20:53 | |
'to enjoy a peaceful retirement, but so far, it's been anything but.' | 0:20:53 | 0:20:58 | |
Alan, I know you live in an apartment rather than a house, | 0:20:58 | 0:21:02 | |
but did you encounter similar problems when you moved in? | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
After about nine months of moving in, | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
I discovered a wall was damp outside | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
and I phoned up the company in question, they had a look at it | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
and said, "I think you're right, there is damp." | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
They took some bricks out the wall | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
and water poured out from the cavity of the wall. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
'A string of contractors investigated the damp | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
'and told Alan they had diagnosed the problem and would sort it out.' | 0:21:29 | 0:21:33 | |
That was a month ago now. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
I'm still waiting. You've got to remember - | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
this is a year and a half this has been going on! | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
'There are plenty of other residents | 0:21:42 | 0:21:43 | |
'on the development who've reported problems | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
'and, while the developer Crest Nicholson is working to fix them, | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
'the homeowners we've met all say it's not happening quickly enough. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
'But like 80% of all new-build properties, the homes here | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
'are all covered by a policy called Buildmark | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
'from the National House Builders Council, or NHBC. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
'It's taken out by developers to cover any remedial work needed | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
'after the buyer moves in for up to ten years | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
'and NHBC itself also acts as an intermediary | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
'in disputes between the home owner and developer.' | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
What about the security that was meant to flow from the NHBC? | 0:22:21 | 0:22:26 | |
Did that make you feel any better and did it help you in any way? | 0:22:26 | 0:22:31 | |
For me, personally, that whole side of the experience has been | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
a negative one. Um, my understanding from day one | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
is that they were there to aid and act as a sort of middleman. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:45 | |
They would come in, they would make a ruling | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
as to whether you had a genuine defect in what you're trying to say. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
NHBC has indeed ruled on a number of complaints residents like Justin | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
have made against Crest Nicholson, | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
including the retaining wall in the garden. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
But the residents complain that, | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
even then, it can take a long time to put the problems right. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
The remedial works to the walls | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
was due to run out in November of last year. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
We're here now in June and it still is not completed. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
In their charter, it says, if the developer fails to do the work | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
"in a satisfactory and timely manner", | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
or some words to that effect, "we will then invoke our policy | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
"and take over the job and do the work ourselves." | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
Residents say that, while the developer IS doing remedial work, | 0:23:34 | 0:23:38 | |
it's consistently missing the deadlines set by NHBC, | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
'which in turn, they say, | 0:23:42 | 0:23:43 | |
'isn't putting enough pressure on the developer to sort things out.' | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
We had the NHBC involved with this damp wall | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
and they gave an ultimatum to the developer | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
that, by January the 12th, it has to be completed. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:59 | |
January 12th came and went. Two weeks after that, nothing happened. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:04 | |
The NHBC's involvement has ultimately led | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
to many of the issues of residents like Gavin being addressed, | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
if not as quickly as they'd like or expect. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
'But Roger believes one reason for the delay is simply that | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
'the organisation is overburdened.' | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
What about the role of the NHBC? Should they be the active people | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
who are making the builder do what they should do? | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
They are incredibly stretched with the amount of house-building | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
that is going on in the country and needs to go on in the country | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
with the shortage that there is. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:37 | |
And is this why it's taken two years | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
for all these problems to be put right? | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
Typically, it can take that long | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
and this is the sad thing for the consumer, | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
because, what is an interminable amount of time - cos they're living | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
with the problem - from the developer and the contractor's perspective, | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
they just see it as normal course of business. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
Well, when we contacted the developer, Crest Nicholson, | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
about all this, it told us it prides itself | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
on delivering the highest quality product and experience | 0:25:02 | 0:25:06 | |
from construction, to sales and importantly to post-sales support, | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
so it's very disappointed that | 0:25:10 | 0:25:11 | |
what it describes as a small number of residents feel let down. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
It says, on this occasion, it's clear that its service | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
and particularly that of its subcontractors | 0:25:19 | 0:25:21 | |
fell below its usual high standards. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
It's apologised for that, | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
but says the majority of issues on site are now fully resolved. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:31 | |
Acknowledging the delays, | 0:25:31 | 0:25:32 | |
the developer says it kept residents up to date throughout and worked | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
closely with the NHBC and structural engineers | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
to investigate concerns with the garden wall. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
Independent experts were also involved in correcting both the wall | 0:25:43 | 0:25:47 | |
and also the roof issues faced by Gavin and others | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
to ensure that the final work was to industry standard. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
Those roof problems, by the way, the company says were due to contractors | 0:25:54 | 0:25:59 | |
repeatedly failing to deliver an adequate roofing solution. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
As for the NHBC, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:04 | |
it says it feels a great deal of sympathy for those affected | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
and, while it's already providing assistance on the estate, | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
it urged anyone else with issues to contact its claims team. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:15 | |
It pointed out that, over the first two years of its ten-year warranty, | 0:26:15 | 0:26:19 | |
any defect must be put right by the builder. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
Unusual as this situation was, we hear a lot from people | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
unhappy with the new homes they've bought from a variety of developers. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:33 | |
And while it's rare for any new build to be completely perfect, | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
it can be hard to know which issues are the responsibility | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
of the developer to put right, | 0:26:40 | 0:26:41 | |
especially if they're not always apparent right away. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
Is there a time limit for people | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
when they move into houses to make complaints? | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
Yeah, it's the first two years is the important period of notification | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
and identifying the issues and problems, but, then again, | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
you're asking a homeowner to be an expert | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
and recognise the deficiencies and the defects | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
and realise problems that are ongoing whereas, in reality, | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
the checks and balances should be there from the start | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
to make sure that isn't necessary and, actually, | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
they're getting the product they think they're getting. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
'But while Gavin, Justin and their neighbours | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
'should now be able to look forward to enjoying their new homes, | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
'they remain unhappy about not just the extent of the problems, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
'but how their complaints were handled.' | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
Never once have they said, "We understand there is a problem. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
"Right, we'll get it done as quick as possible." You are always | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
made to feel as if you're being given something begrudgingly. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
Still to come on Rip-Off Britain, why choosing a trader from a site | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
apparently listing only the very best doesn't guarantee | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
that you'll get the right result. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
They've made a real mess of it and I'm out of pocket by a lot of money, | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
which I cannot afford to lose. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
Once again, we've taken Rip-Off Britain out on the road - | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
this time to one of the biggest shopping centres in the UK. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
We've been watching you for many, many years | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
and you look amazing! Aw, that's kind of you to say so. Thank you. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
Booked in to see technology expert David McClelland | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
were 82-year-old Charles and his son David. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
They needed advice after having difficulty resolving a problem | 0:28:23 | 0:28:27 | |
with a brand-new mobile phone. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:28 | |
Charles and David, father and son, | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
tell me about the purchase of this phone. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:33 | |
I went to Carphone Warehouse to buy a phone and the salesman there said, | 0:28:33 | 0:28:40 | |
"This is the best one for you." | 0:28:40 | 0:28:41 | |
And were you by yourself and making the decision by yourself? | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
I was on my own. I asked would it cover my area, | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
so he said, "Oh, yes, we've got marvellous coverage there." | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
When I got home and tried it, I couldn't get anything, | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
so I thought I was doing it wrong. And did you never get any coverage? | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
I've never had coverage in the house. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
ANGELA: 'But according to Charles and David, | 0:29:01 | 0:29:03 | |
'it wasn't just the signal that was a problem. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
'There was also the hefty contract that Charles had been sold.' | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
We found out quite a substantial amount of money | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
was disappearing, well, going from his account. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
'Charles was paying ?60 a month on the new contract, | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
'including ?15 a month for insurance | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
'that he says he was told at the point-of-sale he would need.' | 0:29:19 | 0:29:23 | |
Do you know what you were getting for that contract? | 0:29:23 | 0:29:25 | |
Yes, he was getting basically 10 gigabytes of data. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
That's a lot. That's more than I get. That's what he told me. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
My sister and I went down to the store once we found out | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
and asked them, "Is there anything we can do?" They just said, "No, no, | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
"the contract is a contract, there is nobody here to talk to you." | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
ANGELA: 'David wanted to cancel the contract on the basis | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
'that his father was paying far too much for his modest phone use, | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
'but he hasn't been able to make much progress.' | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
I rang them. She said, "Oh, we can't deal with it, it has to be the people in the store." | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
I've written to them, I've got a receipt from the Royal Mail | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
saying that they received it. OK. And you've heard nothing since? | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
Nothing. It's hard to believe the case, isn't it? | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
It's incredibly frustrating and clearly there's something | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
that has gone very, very wrong in this transaction, | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
yet you can't find anyone who will take your complaint seriously. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:11 | |
ANGELA: 'In fact, David was so concerned | 0:30:11 | 0:30:13 | |
'that Charles had ended up with a phone entirely unsuitable | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
'for his needs that he got straight onto the case himself, | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
'immediately contacting Carphone Warehouse to push for some answers. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
'And, after a few calls, we're delighted to say | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
'that he was able to get the whole matter sorted out | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
'with an instant result for David and Charles. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
We're in a shopping centre here right now. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
If we walk over to a Carphone Warehouse store, | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
I've got a name of somebody here who will resolve this today. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
'And it was good news. Charles was able | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
'to get his contract cancelled and a full refund.' | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
How do you feel, Charles? Are you happy now? A lot happier. Good. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
Just a weight off my shoulders. I'm pleased to hear that. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
And it stops him shouting at me. DAVID LAUGHS | 0:30:53 | 0:30:55 | |
Now, for many of us, one thing that never, ever seems to get any easier | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
is finding the right person to do work on our homes, | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
whether, for example, we're after somebody to fix a leaking tap | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
or perhaps to build that dream extension. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
So, to help make that nerve-racking decision a little bit easier, | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
there's a whole host of websites and organisations promising to | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
put you in touch with tradespeople who've apparently been reviewed, | 0:31:17 | 0:31:21 | |
they've been vetted or even inspected, | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
and they'd only be there if they have already made the grade. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
But, you know, we hear from a lot of viewers | 0:31:26 | 0:31:28 | |
who've discovered to their cost | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
that the tradespeople they found from those very same places | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
were not in fact up to the job, so we wanted to find out | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
how that could possibly happen and whether all those checks | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
that we were told were made are all they're cracked up to be. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
Judging from all your e-mails and letters | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
and, of course, the case we saw earlier in the programme, | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
it's still the most crucial part of having work done on your home, | 0:31:49 | 0:31:53 | |
so how can you be sure that you've picked the right person to do the job? | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
I would ask somebody who I know | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
or I would ask a friend if they know a builder. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
Well, we do have a network of friends that, er...know people | 0:32:02 | 0:32:06 | |
in the building trade or whatever, so we get in touch with them. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:11 | |
I would ask one or two people that have had work done in their house | 0:32:11 | 0:32:16 | |
and say, "Is there anyone you could recommend?" | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
But when 77-year-old Brian Lambert from Tunbridge Wells | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
discovered a leak in his conservatory roof, he wasn't sure | 0:32:23 | 0:32:27 | |
of the best place to look for someone to fix it | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
until he heard the clatter of his letterbox. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
I had a leaflet through the door from a roofing company | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
that was recommended by Checkatrade, so I thought | 0:32:36 | 0:32:41 | |
that it would be a good, reliable company for me to deal with. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
The company's marketing made a big deal of the fact | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
that it was listed on Checkatrade, | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
which is perhaps the best-known of the various websites set up | 0:32:52 | 0:32:56 | |
to help us all find a trader we can trust, thanks to its ads on TV. | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
AD: 'We check their references, qualifications and insurances.' | 0:33:00 | 0:33:05 | |
But Brian didn't take the claims | 0:33:05 | 0:33:07 | |
that had come through his door on face value. He wanted to find out | 0:33:07 | 0:33:11 | |
what Checkatrade really thought of the builder. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:13 | |
After all, as well as recommending traders, | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
the service says it vets and monitors them as well. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
I phoned Checkatrade to find out if the company was reliable and good | 0:33:20 | 0:33:26 | |
and Checkatrade said yes. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
So, with that, Brian's next call was to the roofing company itself. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:33 | |
They popped round, gave him a quote for the job | 0:33:33 | 0:33:36 | |
and seemed thoroughly professional. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:38 | |
But I'm afraid those first impressions soon turned sour, | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
because, when the workmen left, Brian and his son Shane took a look | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
at the roof and were decidedly unimpressed with what they saw. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
When I looked at the job, I could quite easily see that | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
it was a substandard job. I felt quite angry. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:56 | |
Brian had paid almost half of the ?2,500 cost upfront, | 0:33:57 | 0:34:01 | |
but on seeing the roof, he refused to pay the rest. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:05 | |
In the end, a total of ?1,500 was agreed with the roofing company, | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
although Brian and Shane still think that was just too high. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
They've made a real mess of it and I'm out of pocket by a lot of money, | 0:34:14 | 0:34:18 | |
which I cannot afford to lose. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
And of course what particularly frustrates Brian is that, | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
by choosing a company through Checkatrade, | 0:34:24 | 0:34:26 | |
he thought he'd would've been able to avoid problems like this. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
I only went to Checkatrade in the first place | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
because they seem a very reliable and trusted trade company. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:36 | |
After this experience, I feel that Checkatrade have let me down badly, | 0:34:36 | 0:34:40 | |
because the roofers were just not up to the job. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
So Brian and Shane got in touch with Checkatrade, | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
which sent an inspector to see the job for himself. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
When he'd had a look, he was quite disgusted with the work that | 0:34:50 | 0:34:53 | |
they had completed. He estimated the job at being only ?500, | 0:34:53 | 0:34:57 | |
not the ?2,500 that they wanted to charge my father. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:01 | |
Big difference. And it was only then Brian and Shane discovered that, | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
whilst Checkatrade might indeed check the companies on their site, | 0:35:04 | 0:35:08 | |
there's very little they can do for customers left unhappy | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
if something goes wrong. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
I tried to get some money back for my father, | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
but once we'd failed to do that, we were left on our own. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
When we spoke to Checkatrade, | 0:35:20 | 0:35:22 | |
it apologised to Brian for the substandard work he had received, | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
but pointed out that, at the time, the company in question | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
had 42 positive reviews from happy customers. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
It agreed, however, that the work was of a poor nature | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
and reiterated that, following attempts to contact the company, | 0:35:34 | 0:35:38 | |
it had been expelled from the site. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:40 | |
So Brian has been left wondering | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
if his trust in Checkatrade was misplaced. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
It's so hard. There's so many of these firms, like Checkatrade, about | 0:35:47 | 0:35:51 | |
that recommend people, but who do we turn to | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
to get trusted workmen to do a good, honest job? | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
Well, now, that's a question we get asked a lot by viewers | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
just like Brian, who say they chose a trader through a website | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
that looks like it's recommending the best for the job, | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
only for things to still go wrong. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
So have such sites always made the extensive checks you may think? | 0:36:12 | 0:36:16 | |
Well, to find out, we once again called on our property surveyor, | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
Roger Southam, asking him to visit Brian and his son. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:24 | |
Hi, nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
We wanted to explain how some of the best-known sites work | 0:36:26 | 0:36:30 | |
and what a trader needs to do to be able to use their logos. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
Before he started, | 0:36:33 | 0:36:34 | |
Roger couldn't resist taking a look at the work that kicked it all off. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:38 | |
I've been up on the roof and had a look at the quality of the work | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
that's been carried out and I've got to say, quite frankly, | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
it is not of a great quality at all. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
So why did Brian come across the builder responsible | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
on a site like Checkatrade? | 0:36:51 | 0:36:52 | |
'For local, quality tradesmen, visit checkatrade.com today.' | 0:36:54 | 0:36:58 | |
Well, Roger reckons the key thing to remember is that | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
Checkatrade doesn't make constant checks on the people it lists. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:06 | |
Instead, it uses feedback from customers | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
to determine whether a business should continue to be recommended. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
Although it does say it interviews traders face-to-face and | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
examines their credentials before including them in the first place. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
So, to get onto the site, there's been checks. Yeah. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:26 | |
Once they're on, you're relying on the feedback from the public | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
on the jobs that have been carried out. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:30 | |
And Checkatrade does get lots and lots of that feedback. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
Its site includes more than 2? million customer reviews | 0:37:35 | 0:37:39 | |
and it tells us that it goes through up to 40% of those published | 0:37:39 | 0:37:43 | |
every month in order to pick up on any problems. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:45 | |
If there are any, it may investigate or even suspend members, | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
as indeed happened in Brian's case. And while, as we have seen, | 0:37:50 | 0:37:54 | |
there's no recourse that the site can help with, | 0:37:54 | 0:37:56 | |
Checkatrade tells us it's now part partnered with Trading Standards | 0:37:56 | 0:38:00 | |
to further support monitoring and vetting. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:02 | |
Among the various other sites offering a similar service | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
are ones such as MyBuilder and Rated People, where they do require | 0:38:07 | 0:38:12 | |
traders to supply references and have certain credentials. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:16 | |
'If you're looking for a local builder you can trust, | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
'you could stage a talent contest | 0:38:19 | 0:38:21 | |
'or you could do it the easy way by going to MyBuilder.com. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:25 | |
But again, once those checks are done, | 0:38:26 | 0:38:28 | |
such sites mostly rely on reviews placed by customers. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
'RatedPeople.com, for quality, local tradesmen.' | 0:38:32 | 0:38:36 | |
With Rated People, very similar to MyBuilder, | 0:38:36 | 0:38:40 | |
where you put in the job you want carried out and then people will | 0:38:40 | 0:38:45 | |
come up to you and say who's interested in doing the work. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
You're going to be looking at the reviews to assess whether | 0:38:48 | 0:38:52 | |
the people are good, bad or indifferent - as far as you can - | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
and then picking from that. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:57 | |
The site MyBuilder told us that reviews can only be left | 0:38:57 | 0:39:01 | |
by customers who've hired a tradesperson through the site | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
and has stressed that it doesn't encourage people to | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
believe that a successful project is guaranteed. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
And Rated People told us it invests a lot in vetting and screening | 0:39:11 | 0:39:15 | |
and will suspend traders from its site if an investigation | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
shows their work to be shoddy. It also said, although rarely used, | 0:39:18 | 0:39:23 | |
it does offer a low-cost resolution service. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
Now, while each of these sites clearly has its merits, | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
all of them are essentially | 0:39:30 | 0:39:32 | |
based around customer reviews with a few extra checks. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
But there is another site that claims to have an extra edge. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
'Whether you need a builder, a decorator, a gardener | 0:39:38 | 0:39:42 | |
'or even a new solar panel, TrustMark is here to introduce | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
'customers to local quality firms and expert tradespeople.' | 0:39:45 | 0:39:49 | |
Launched in 2005, TrustMark is | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
the only site of this type endorsed by the government. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
In order to display its coveted logo, traders undergo | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
not just a thorough vetting, but independent on-site inspections | 0:39:59 | 0:40:03 | |
to regularly check their work and business practices. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
Now, TrustMark was a scheme similar to a Kitemark | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
or similar to, um, some sort of approval body. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
So it's government-backed. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:16 | |
There's checks being carried out on the firms and they're having to | 0:40:16 | 0:40:21 | |
make sure they're up to scratch from that point of view. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:24 | |
But some of the trade bodies it uses to check standards will only do so | 0:40:24 | 0:40:28 | |
every three years, so if the standard of work drops | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
between inspections, or the business gets into trouble, | 0:40:31 | 0:40:34 | |
that information may not make it back to TrustMark straightaway. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:38 | |
Unlike most of the other sites, however, | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
if a TrustMark-registered trader gets the job wrong, | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
customers will be helped through a dispute resolution process | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
to try and sort it all out and all firms it recommends must offer | 0:40:47 | 0:40:52 | |
deposit protection and warranties for work costing over ?500. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:56 | |
Of course, none of these sites can ever ensure | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
a building project that goes entirely to plan | 0:41:02 | 0:41:04 | |
or that any trader will do a perfect job every time. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:08 | |
So, rather than looking at any one of them in isolation, | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
Roger advises putting aside even just a bit of time | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
to do proper research to get the fullest possible picture | 0:41:14 | 0:41:18 | |
on any business that you're considering taking on. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
It's worth spending that extra 15 minutes, half an hour, | 0:41:21 | 0:41:25 | |
doing the research in advance to save yourself at least ?1,000 | 0:41:25 | 0:41:30 | |
and the grief and the stress and the worry that you've had. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
As for Brian, next time he's looking for someone to do a job, he's likely | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
to stick to a more simple way of finding the right person. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:41 | |
It's still better to go on the old-fashioned way | 0:41:41 | 0:41:44 | |
of the old recommendation from your neighbours and friends | 0:41:44 | 0:41:48 | |
and trusted local workmen. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
If you have a story you'd like us to investigate, | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
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Or you can e-mail us at... | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
And, of course, you can always send us a letter to our postal address... | 0:42:15 | 0:42:19 | |
Well, I don't know about you, but I have to say | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
that I'm still reeling from that story that we saw earlier | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
about the poor couple whose house literally fell down. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
Now, on this programme, we're used to hearing about | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
disastrous building work, but never before have I heard | 0:42:41 | 0:42:44 | |
of a house completely collapsing like that one. Just disastrous. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
It's so sad. And what makes it worse, of course, | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
is that it really did seem they had done everything right | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 | |
in terms of getting references, checking insurance was in place. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
Every box ticked, you'd have thought, | 0:42:56 | 0:42:58 | |
yet, after all that, things still went horribly wrong. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:00 | |
Well, thankfully, cases like that are indeed very rare and, of course, | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
there are lots of things that you can do to give yourself | 0:43:03 | 0:43:06 | |
the very best protection in case something does go wrong | 0:43:06 | 0:43:09 | |
and, as ever, you will find lots more advice | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
on subjects like that and others on our website... | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
But, for now, thanks very much for joining us today | 0:43:17 | 0:43:20 | |
and, from everyone on the team, bye-bye. Bye-bye! Goodbye. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:23 |