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GLORIA HUNNIFORD: We asked you to tell us what's left you

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feeling ripped off, and you contacted us in your thousands.

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ANGELA RIPPON: You've told us about the companies you think get it wrong

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and the customer service that simply is not up to scratch.

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I've complained and complained and nobody takes any notice of me.

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In all honesty, I think it's just a way for the shops to make more money.

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JULIA SOMERVILLE: You've asked us to track down the scammers who stole

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your money and investigate the extra charges you say are unfair.

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You don't want to spend any more,

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but yet, they are always trying to offer you little things extra.

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And when you've lost out, but nobody else is to blame,

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you've come to us to stop others falling into the same trap.

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I rang up the company and they went,

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"Oh, it isn't our fault." So whose fault is it?

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So, whether it's a blatant rip-off or a genuine mistake...

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We're here to find out why you're out of pocket

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and what you can do about it.

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Your stories, your money. This is Rip-Off Britain.

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Hello and welcome to Rip-Off Britain, where today,

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we have one of the most genuinely shocking cases

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that we've ever featured on this programme.

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And I'm afraid it's left the couple at the heart of it all

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with absolutely nothing to show

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for the hundreds of thousands of pounds that they ploughed

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into their dream home.

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And while our other stories today don't have quite

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the same dramatic impact as that particular tale,

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they are all decidedly in the same nerve-racking territory,

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and that is there the problems and pitfalls that go hand-in-hand

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with the biggest purchase that any of us is ever likely

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to make in our lifetimes.

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That's purchasing our homes.

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Now, whether you're buying a brand-new property

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or completely renovating an old one,

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choosing who you can trust to build, convert

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or even just fix up your home can be a real minefield.

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And as we're going to see, when things don't go to plan,

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it may not be as easy as it should be to get the whole thing resolved.

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Coming up, the builders booked to convert a basement,

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but instead cause the entire house to collapse to the ground.

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I just think we were in shock.

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Watching it unfold, we all just had to stand on the street and

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watch it sort of disintegrate.

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And brand-new homes with a catalogue of basic errors.

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The roof, in essence, we've had replaced three times now.

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I've been without a garden for 12 weeks.

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Discovered that the wall was damp outside.

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Now, everyone knows that, if you're planning work on your home,

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then choosing the right builder is crucial.

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Well, never was that truer than for the family in our next film.

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Their case is so jaw-dropping that

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we've genuinely never come across anything like it before.

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The situation is made all the worse because they did everything right

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when they first picked the company to do the job.

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But that didn't stop them from losing

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not just hundreds of thousands of pounds, but their home as well.

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Here's a typical North London house before...

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and after the builders started work.

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Yes, the entire property has collapsed.

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We're paying a mortgage on a hole in the ground at the moment.

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It's just the injustice here.

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The builder can get away with this sort of thing

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and keep on trading, has not had to pay a penny.

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'Jacquie Hale and her partner Ed have been living here

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'in rented accommodation since their home fell into the ground in 2012.

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'They'd bought the lease on their North London ground-floor flat

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'a year earlier and, with plans to extend their family,

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'they soon spotted that they could do the same with their property too

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'by converting the basement.'

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We found this place and it seemed ideal.

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It had potential for development to make it into a family home.

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It was actually right next door to a family friend who had...

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It was the identical property and he had a basement conversion

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and it sort of made up our minds.

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'Little did they know that, once they'd moved in,

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'it wasn't just their dreams

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'that would come crashing down around them.

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'With the necessary permissions in place, they set about

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'finding a builder they could trust with such an important project.'

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This seemed like a very tricky job.

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That's why I went through what I thought were all the checks we could

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possibly do to find the right one.

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'First, the couple went to the trade association

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'that represents some of the most qualified builders in the business.'

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We found the builder through the Federation of Master Builders website.

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We put a job specification onto the site and that allowed numerous

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different builders to reply and we had responses

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from probably five or six people.

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'While builders don't have to join a trade association,

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'the Federation of Master Builders vets its members,

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'which gave Jacquie the confidence

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'that she'd end up with the right company for the job.

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'And she thought that's what she'd got when she plumped for local firm

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'AIMs Plumbing and Building Services -

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'not to be confused with other companies with similar names.

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'By now, Jacquie was expecting the first of their two children,

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'so she and Ed were keen to get on with the project.'

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The fact that you were pregnant, I presume time was of the essence.

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Yes. My first baby was due in January.

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And he was meant to be finishing the work by December.

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That wasn't our only decision to hire him, of course,

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but it certainly helped.

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'The company's owner Christopher Knott quoted

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'just over ?38,000 for the job

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'and put Jacquie in touch with satisfied customers for a reference.

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'But Jacquie's checks didn't stop there.

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'She also asked to see the firm's insurance documents to make sure

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'they'd be properly protected if anything would go wrong with

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'the delicate task of underpinning the foundations of the house.'

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It didn't seem like he was covered for the work,

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so I explained this to him and made him take out a new policy,

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which he did, and then I actually phoned the company and asked,

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were he to take on this sort of job,

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would he be covered? And they said yes.

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'With Jacquie feeling that

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'she'd done all she could to prepare for any eventuality,

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'work began in September 2012 and was expected to last three months,

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'but, one morning eight weeks later, Jacquie and Ed woke up

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'to see a large crack in their bedroom wall.'

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It was wide enough to see through to the outside,

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and we called the builder.

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He came and had a look.

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He seemed a little bit worried,

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but still didn't give us any indication that it was very serious.

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'The builder tried to support the wall by bracing it

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'against the house next door, but that temporary fix didn't stop

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'other cracks also starting to appear further up the house.'

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The tenants who were living in the upstairs flat came and knocked

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on the door and asked us to come and have a look at their flat,

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because the cracks were getting quite large there.

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I was only up there for maybe 30 seconds or a minute,

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and then I came back down to our flat

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and the same cracks were appearing.

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'That's when Jacquie and her neighbours realised

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'they shouldn't be inside any longer.'

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They were appearing in front of your eyes, were they?

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In front of our eyes. It was like being in a disaster movie,

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when the house...

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There's an earthquake or something happening

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and the house just disintegrates.

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'Jacquie called the emergency services, who, realising the danger,

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'quickly evacuated the neighbouring properties too.

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'As the couple and their neighbours looked on,

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'the walls of their house started to come away from the one next door

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'and, over the next few hours, their home slowly fell into the ground.'

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I just think we were in shock, all of us probably in shock, just...

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watching it unfold.

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We all just had to stand on the street and watch...

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watch it sort of disintegrate.

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And when the builder arrived at the scene, he didn't hang around.

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Where was the builder? When we called him and he came, had a look,

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saw emergency services and just ran off again.

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He ran off? Yeah.

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He just disappeared. Did he say anything to you?

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No.

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No. I think, at that point,

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he was probably in as much shock as we were.

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We didn't know at the very beginning

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that it was definitely the builder's fault.

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'Not only was their home gone, but most of their possessions were too.'

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We lost everything.

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It was just taken away in skips as we were watching.

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There was no way to retrieve it. We weren't allowed back in.

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'The family moved in with Ed's sister while they attempted

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'to sort out the devastating mess.'

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How did you set about just trying to find out who was at fault?

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Immediately, we had to notify the insurance companies that this had

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happened. We had to find a solicitor and we had to find an engineer who

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could examine the site to determine what had actually happened.

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'The structural engineer's report

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'indicated that it was the builder's work that was to blame,

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'as the house simply hadn't been propped up properly.

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'So, while Jacquie and Ed's own insurance covered the contents

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'they'd lost inside the house, they expected the builder's insurance

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'would foot the bill for the building itself.

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'But with the total damage to the property

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'running to not far off ?300,000,

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'the insurers didn't seem keen to do that.'

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The builder's insurer did not engage with us at all,

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refused to acknowledge our communications.

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'After getting nowhere,

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'Jacquie and Ed felt their only option was to go to court.

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'And when the case was heard in 2015,

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'the judge ruled that the building firm was at fault and, as such,

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'it was ordered to pay for the repairs.

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That should have been an end to it,

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'but in fact, the firm's insurer refused to pay,

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'citing various reasons why it claimed the building company

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'had broken the terms of its cover.'

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Where has the judgment left you now?

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We're really no further forward than we were the day it collapsed,

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so we know we weren't at fault, we know who was at fault,

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but, financially, we are in the same position - actually worse off

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than we were when it first happened.

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'The couple still hope they may be able to convince

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'the builder's insurer to pay out, but months have passed

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'with no progress in that direction and it's not as if they can pursue

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'the building company itself any more,

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'because AIMs Plumbing and Building Services has gone out of business.'

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How did that make you feel?

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We were disappointed, because we knew that meant he was off the hook.

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'The man behind AIMs Plumbing and Building Services,

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'Christopher Knott, set up a new company,

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'AIMs Building and Maintenance Services,

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'within weeks of the house falling down.

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'In the years since, that too has ceased trading

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'and he is now director of another building firm in the same area.

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'But because all these were limited companies,

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'he has no personal liability for what happened.

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'Meanwhile, the ones losing out are Jacquie and Ed,

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'who are stuck with 23 years of repayments on a home

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'they can't even live in and that can't be rebuilt

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'until there's an agreement on who's going to pay for it.'

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What really upsets the couple is that they thought they'd followed

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all the recommendations for finding the right builder.

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Now, they find themselves paying out for a mortgage on a home

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that no longer exists. It's basically just a hole in the ground.

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Well, when we contacted the building firm's insurers,

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a company called Covea,

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it told us it sympathises with Jacquie and Ed's situation,

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but for legal reasons can't comment on the case in too much detail.

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It did however say that it had gone beyond its obligations in trying to

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find a solution and that it is

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actively supporting negotiations to help reach a conclusion.

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We also, of course, contacted the builder, Christopher Knott,

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but he didn't reply.

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As Jacquie and Ed only owned the lease on their home,

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it was the freeholders' insurance that would normally

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cover the building, but it seems that particular policy didn't extend

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to covering the property's collapse if the cause was building work.

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Jacquie and Ed had been aware of that,

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but, of course, believed they would be protected

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by the extra cover they'd got the builder to take out.

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So if you're planning an extension or major works,

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perhaps the best advice is to consider taking out

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your own insurance for the job, rather than relying on the builders'

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because, however good their policy may seem,

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you've no control over whether they stick to the terms.

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'But while Jacquie and Ed's case rumbles on,

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'it's hard to understand how the whole thing could have come about,

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'considering they'd employed a paid-up member

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'of the Federation of Master builders.

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'Brian Berry is the Federation's Chief Executive and he maintains

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'that stories like Jacquie and Ed's are extremely rare.'

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This is a very sad case, but it's also unique.

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When this came to light, we suspended the company immediately

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and then we asked the company to come before

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a national standards and conduct committee. They reviewed the case

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and they agreed that, actually, the member company should be expelled.

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And that company will never come back into the FMB again.

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If things go wrong between a builder and a client,

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does your association intervene?

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Does it have a process for reconciling the two?

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Yes, we do have a process of, if a client has a problem

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with one of our members, they can contact us.

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In most cases, builders want to do a good job

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and they're very keen to go back and rectify it.

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Now, if the problem continues, we offer a dispute resolution process.

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Both sides have to agree and then

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there will be an independent adjudicator to look at the problem.

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'But none of that's been much help to Jacquie, who'd assumed that,

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'by choosing a member of the FMB, she would be in safe hands.'

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So, in a funny kind of way,

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if you expel somebody, you leave them outside your remit

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and therefore, in a way, there's less protection for the client.

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Yes, unfortunately, that is the case.

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The company can continue to operate, change their name,

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and the consumer then is not actually protected.

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This is an ongoing self-regulation, because the government has said,

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actually, it doesn't want to commit

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to any former licensing or regulation of builders.

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'All of which means Jacquie is still lumbered with a huge mortgage

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'and a huge hole where her family home used to be.'

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We've tried everything we can.

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The legal channels we've been following

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have so far come to dead ends.

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We've got about ?125,000 left to pay.

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There's just, um... There's not a lot else we can do, really.

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'It's a desperately sad situation

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'and we'll be watching for further developments.'

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Now, we get a steady stream of e-mails and letters from viewers

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who bought a brand-new home from a developer,

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but say they haven't got what they paid for.

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Sometimes, it's because the list of unfinished snags

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runs for pages and pages or, in some cases,

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there's something seriously wrong with the building itself.

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Either way, the buyer wants it fixed

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and, when that's not happening fast enough, they end up coming to us.

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But where do you draw the line?

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Even after you've spent hundreds of thousands of pounds,

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there's not always agreement on what the developer should put right

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and what the homeowner should just put up with.

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Every new home is likely to have the odd snag here and there,

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but at this development near Hemel Hempstead,

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the problems some owners face with their brand-new properties

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are rather more fundamental.

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The roof, in essence, we've had replaced three times now.

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I've been without a garden for 12 weeks.

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I discovered the wall was damp outside.

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'And the problems at Gavin Jones' new family home are so bad,

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'the builders have been forced to go back to the drawing board.'

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We had water building around our property.

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We needed basically to lower the entire ground level

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and put new drainage in.

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'Built by Crest Nicholson in 2014, the development should have provided

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'families like Gavin's with hassle-free new homes.

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'After all, that's one of the main reasons for buying a new-build home,

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'rather than an older one that might need updating.'

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I didn't want to do any building work or anything like that

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to an older home, so we approached the developer.

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Obviously, put the reservation down and agreed the purchase price.

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And then about, literally only about a month or two later,

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we moved into the new home.

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'Gavin did anticipate there'd be a few things

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'that would need to be put right.'

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I did a snag list of all the really minor things you would expect.

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They were relatively quick fixes and, to be honest,

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they were reasonably quick to pick up on the first few of those,

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so I was quite pleased.

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'But he'd never have imagined

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'there'd be other problems that were more serious.

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'The gardens behind Gavin's house are much higher than his,

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'so retaining walls were built to support the earth.

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'Gavin soon noticed they were bowing under the pressure, so,

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'worried about his family's safety, he contacted Crest Nicholson,

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'who came to fix the problem.

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'But the garden wall wasn't the only problem.

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'There was a big issue inside, too.

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'Gavin's kitchen ceiling was damp.'

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I took a good look at the flat roof

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and, instead of having a small slope, obviously,

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to get rid of the water, ours was completely flat.

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That water was coming through the ceilings.

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'The only solution was to install a completely new roof,

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'but, though the developer did that, it too developed the same problem.'

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Quite astonishingly, that roof did exactly the same thing.

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They hadn't changed the design, so it pooled again, we had more leaks.

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'In fact, over the next 14 months,

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'the problem with the roof had to be repaired again and again.'

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How many roofs was that?

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Four roofs in the end. We've now had four altogether.

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Goodness. And you can imagine the scaffolding goes up with each one.

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We lose the garden and access for literally months on end

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as they're doing the works.

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'And as if that wasn't bad enough,

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'the correct drainage hadn't been installed in Gavin's garden,

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'leading to rainwater pooling round the outside walls of the house.

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'To fix that, tonnes of earth had to be removed from the back garden

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'and new drainage installed.'

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We asked surveyor and property expert Roger Southam

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to take a good look at the property

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and he soon finds plenty of things he doesn't like.

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The most obvious thing is the air bricks,

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where there just weren't enough around the house.

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There should've been eight, there was only three.

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And even now, there's an X marked on a brick

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where they physically can't put an air brick in,

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because of a drain that's behind that should've been in there.

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And he's not at all impressed by all those problems with the roof.

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It's had to be replaced to get the water running away

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and not pooling on the structure. All of these things are fairly basic

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and should've been avoided to start with.

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And while it does at last seem the leaking roof has been

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fixed for good, Roger's less certain about that garden wall.

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There were no weep holes put into the retaining wall,

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so there was no way for the water that was going to build up behind

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to actually be released.

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Additional work has been carried out and weep holes have been installed,

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but, looking at the wall, it does look as if it's bowing partly to me

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and I still think that needs investigating.

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Roger believes the entire wall needs to be rebuilt

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and the ground behind it properly braced.

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But these issues aren't confined to just Gavin's house.

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Very similar glitches have plagued other residents, too.

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Indeed, Gavin's next-door neighbour Justin came across his first problem

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with the roof the very moment he and his wife moved in.

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We found our entire roof coping stones

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lying on the grass in front of us and that was the start of issues

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we've had dealt with, um, since we moved in.

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Again, Justin's garden's had no drainage.

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Nor was the retaining wall at the back of the garden properly installed.

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And the kitchen roof repeatedly collected water and leaked.

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The roof, in essence, we've had replaced three times now,

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since that first one went up.

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Justin and Gavin's homes back on to their neighbour Luke's.

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It's his garden being held back by that retaining wall,

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so that's where most of the remedial work has taken place.

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You don't expect to deal with this from day one.

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The disparity is between what you're sold of that dream -

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walking into a new-build house, making it nice and easy -

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to the actual reality.

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'Pensioner Alan moved here with his wife in order

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'to enjoy a peaceful retirement, but so far, it's been anything but.'

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Alan, I know you live in an apartment rather than a house,

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but did you encounter similar problems when you moved in?

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After about nine months of moving in,

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I discovered a wall was damp outside

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and I phoned up the company in question, they had a look at it

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and said, "I think you're right, there is damp."

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They took some bricks out the wall

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and water poured out from the cavity of the wall.

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'A string of contractors investigated the damp

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'and told Alan they had diagnosed the problem and would sort it out.'

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That was a month ago now.

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I'm still waiting. You've got to remember -

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this is a year and a half this has been going on!

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'There are plenty of other residents

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'on the development who've reported problems

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'and, while the developer Crest Nicholson is working to fix them,

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'the homeowners we've met all say it's not happening quickly enough.

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'But like 80% of all new-build properties, the homes here

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'are all covered by a policy called Buildmark

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'from the National House Builders Council, or NHBC.

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'It's taken out by developers to cover any remedial work needed

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'after the buyer moves in for up to ten years

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'and NHBC itself also acts as an intermediary

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'in disputes between the home owner and developer.'

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What about the security that was meant to flow from the NHBC?

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Did that make you feel any better and did it help you in any way?

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For me, personally, that whole side of the experience has been

0:22:310:22:35

a negative one. Um, my understanding from day one

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is that they were there to aid and act as a sort of middleman.

0:22:390:22:45

They would come in, they would make a ruling

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as to whether you had a genuine defect in what you're trying to say.

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NHBC has indeed ruled on a number of complaints residents like Justin

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have made against Crest Nicholson,

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including the retaining wall in the garden.

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But the residents complain that,

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even then, it can take a long time to put the problems right.

0:23:060:23:09

The remedial works to the walls

0:23:110:23:13

was due to run out in November of last year.

0:23:130:23:16

We're here now in June and it still is not completed.

0:23:160:23:20

In their charter, it says, if the developer fails to do the work

0:23:200:23:24

"in a satisfactory and timely manner",

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or some words to that effect, "we will then invoke our policy

0:23:270:23:31

"and take over the job and do the work ourselves."

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Residents say that, while the developer IS doing remedial work,

0:23:340:23:38

it's consistently missing the deadlines set by NHBC,

0:23:380:23:42

'which in turn, they say,

0:23:420:23:43

'isn't putting enough pressure on the developer to sort things out.'

0:23:430:23:46

We had the NHBC involved with this damp wall

0:23:480:23:52

and they gave an ultimatum to the developer

0:23:520:23:55

that, by January the 12th, it has to be completed.

0:23:550:23:59

January 12th came and went. Two weeks after that, nothing happened.

0:23:590:24:04

The NHBC's involvement has ultimately led

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to many of the issues of residents like Gavin being addressed,

0:24:100:24:13

if not as quickly as they'd like or expect.

0:24:130:24:16

'But Roger believes one reason for the delay is simply that

0:24:160:24:19

'the organisation is overburdened.'

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What about the role of the NHBC? Should they be the active people

0:24:230:24:27

who are making the builder do what they should do?

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They are incredibly stretched with the amount of house-building

0:24:300:24:33

that is going on in the country and needs to go on in the country

0:24:330:24:36

with the shortage that there is.

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And is this why it's taken two years

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for all these problems to be put right?

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Typically, it can take that long

0:24:420:24:44

and this is the sad thing for the consumer,

0:24:440:24:46

because, what is an interminable amount of time - cos they're living

0:24:460:24:50

with the problem - from the developer and the contractor's perspective,

0:24:500:24:53

they just see it as normal course of business.

0:24:530:24:55

Well, when we contacted the developer, Crest Nicholson,

0:24:570:24:59

about all this, it told us it prides itself

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on delivering the highest quality product and experience

0:25:020:25:06

from construction, to sales and importantly to post-sales support,

0:25:060:25:10

so it's very disappointed that

0:25:100:25:11

what it describes as a small number of residents feel let down.

0:25:110:25:15

It says, on this occasion, it's clear that its service

0:25:160:25:19

and particularly that of its subcontractors

0:25:190:25:21

fell below its usual high standards.

0:25:210:25:24

It's apologised for that,

0:25:240:25:26

but says the majority of issues on site are now fully resolved.

0:25:260:25:31

Acknowledging the delays,

0:25:310:25:32

the developer says it kept residents up to date throughout and worked

0:25:320:25:36

closely with the NHBC and structural engineers

0:25:360:25:39

to investigate concerns with the garden wall.

0:25:390:25:42

Independent experts were also involved in correcting both the wall

0:25:430:25:47

and also the roof issues faced by Gavin and others

0:25:470:25:50

to ensure that the final work was to industry standard.

0:25:500:25:54

Those roof problems, by the way, the company says were due to contractors

0:25:540:25:59

repeatedly failing to deliver an adequate roofing solution.

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As for the NHBC,

0:26:030:26:04

it says it feels a great deal of sympathy for those affected

0:26:040:26:08

and, while it's already providing assistance on the estate,

0:26:080:26:11

it urged anyone else with issues to contact its claims team.

0:26:110:26:15

It pointed out that, over the first two years of its ten-year warranty,

0:26:150:26:19

any defect must be put right by the builder.

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Unusual as this situation was, we hear a lot from people

0:26:250:26:28

unhappy with the new homes they've bought from a variety of developers.

0:26:280:26:33

And while it's rare for any new build to be completely perfect,

0:26:330:26:36

it can be hard to know which issues are the responsibility

0:26:360:26:40

of the developer to put right,

0:26:400:26:41

especially if they're not always apparent right away.

0:26:410:26:44

Is there a time limit for people

0:26:460:26:48

when they move into houses to make complaints?

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Yeah, it's the first two years is the important period of notification

0:26:510:26:55

and identifying the issues and problems, but, then again,

0:26:550:26:58

you're asking a homeowner to be an expert

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and recognise the deficiencies and the defects

0:27:000:27:02

and realise problems that are ongoing whereas, in reality,

0:27:020:27:05

the checks and balances should be there from the start

0:27:050:27:08

to make sure that isn't necessary and, actually,

0:27:080:27:11

they're getting the product they think they're getting.

0:27:110:27:13

'But while Gavin, Justin and their neighbours

0:27:130:27:16

'should now be able to look forward to enjoying their new homes,

0:27:160:27:19

'they remain unhappy about not just the extent of the problems,

0:27:190:27:23

'but how their complaints were handled.'

0:27:230:27:25

Never once have they said, "We understand there is a problem.

0:27:260:27:29

"Right, we'll get it done as quick as possible." You are always

0:27:290:27:32

made to feel as if you're being given something begrudgingly.

0:27:320:27:35

Still to come on Rip-Off Britain, why choosing a trader from a site

0:27:420:27:45

apparently listing only the very best doesn't guarantee

0:27:450:27:49

that you'll get the right result.

0:27:490:27:51

They've made a real mess of it and I'm out of pocket by a lot of money,

0:27:510:27:55

which I cannot afford to lose.

0:27:550:27:57

Once again, we've taken Rip-Off Britain out on the road -

0:28:010:28:05

this time to one of the biggest shopping centres in the UK.

0:28:050:28:08

We've been watching you for many, many years

0:28:100:28:13

and you look amazing! Aw, that's kind of you to say so. Thank you.

0:28:130:28:16

Booked in to see technology expert David McClelland

0:28:180:28:20

were 82-year-old Charles and his son David.

0:28:200:28:23

They needed advice after having difficulty resolving a problem

0:28:230:28:27

with a brand-new mobile phone.

0:28:270:28:28

Charles and David, father and son,

0:28:290:28:31

tell me about the purchase of this phone.

0:28:310:28:33

I went to Carphone Warehouse to buy a phone and the salesman there said,

0:28:330:28:40

"This is the best one for you."

0:28:400:28:41

And were you by yourself and making the decision by yourself?

0:28:410:28:45

I was on my own. I asked would it cover my area,

0:28:450:28:48

so he said, "Oh, yes, we've got marvellous coverage there."

0:28:480:28:51

When I got home and tried it, I couldn't get anything,

0:28:510:28:54

so I thought I was doing it wrong. And did you never get any coverage?

0:28:540:28:58

I've never had coverage in the house.

0:28:580:29:01

ANGELA: 'But according to Charles and David,

0:29:010:29:03

'it wasn't just the signal that was a problem.

0:29:030:29:05

'There was also the hefty contract that Charles had been sold.'

0:29:050:29:08

We found out quite a substantial amount of money

0:29:080:29:10

was disappearing, well, going from his account.

0:29:100:29:13

'Charles was paying ?60 a month on the new contract,

0:29:130:29:16

'including ?15 a month for insurance

0:29:160:29:19

'that he says he was told at the point-of-sale he would need.'

0:29:190:29:23

Do you know what you were getting for that contract?

0:29:230:29:25

Yes, he was getting basically 10 gigabytes of data.

0:29:250:29:29

That's a lot. That's more than I get. That's what he told me.

0:29:290:29:31

My sister and I went down to the store once we found out

0:29:310:29:34

and asked them, "Is there anything we can do?" They just said, "No, no,

0:29:340:29:37

"the contract is a contract, there is nobody here to talk to you."

0:29:370:29:40

ANGELA: 'David wanted to cancel the contract on the basis

0:29:400:29:43

'that his father was paying far too much for his modest phone use,

0:29:430:29:46

'but he hasn't been able to make much progress.'

0:29:460:29:49

I rang them. She said, "Oh, we can't deal with it, it has to be the people in the store."

0:29:490:29:53

I've written to them, I've got a receipt from the Royal Mail

0:29:530:29:55

saying that they received it. OK. And you've heard nothing since?

0:29:550:29:58

Nothing. It's hard to believe the case, isn't it?

0:29:580:30:01

It's incredibly frustrating and clearly there's something

0:30:010:30:04

that has gone very, very wrong in this transaction,

0:30:040:30:07

yet you can't find anyone who will take your complaint seriously.

0:30:070:30:11

ANGELA: 'In fact, David was so concerned

0:30:110:30:13

'that Charles had ended up with a phone entirely unsuitable

0:30:130:30:16

'for his needs that he got straight onto the case himself,

0:30:160:30:19

'immediately contacting Carphone Warehouse to push for some answers.

0:30:190:30:23

'And, after a few calls, we're delighted to say

0:30:230:30:26

'that he was able to get the whole matter sorted out

0:30:260:30:29

'with an instant result for David and Charles.

0:30:290:30:31

We're in a shopping centre here right now.

0:30:310:30:33

If we walk over to a Carphone Warehouse store,

0:30:330:30:37

I've got a name of somebody here who will resolve this today.

0:30:370:30:40

'And it was good news. Charles was able

0:30:400:30:43

'to get his contract cancelled and a full refund.'

0:30:430:30:46

How do you feel, Charles? Are you happy now? A lot happier. Good.

0:30:460:30:50

Just a weight off my shoulders. I'm pleased to hear that.

0:30:500:30:53

And it stops him shouting at me. DAVID LAUGHS

0:30:530:30:55

Now, for many of us, one thing that never, ever seems to get any easier

0:30:590:31:02

is finding the right person to do work on our homes,

0:31:020:31:05

whether, for example, we're after somebody to fix a leaking tap

0:31:050:31:08

or perhaps to build that dream extension.

0:31:080:31:11

So, to help make that nerve-racking decision a little bit easier,

0:31:110:31:14

there's a whole host of websites and organisations promising to

0:31:140:31:17

put you in touch with tradespeople who've apparently been reviewed,

0:31:170:31:21

they've been vetted or even inspected,

0:31:210:31:23

and they'd only be there if they have already made the grade.

0:31:230:31:26

But, you know, we hear from a lot of viewers

0:31:260:31:28

who've discovered to their cost

0:31:280:31:30

that the tradespeople they found from those very same places

0:31:300:31:33

were not in fact up to the job, so we wanted to find out

0:31:330:31:35

how that could possibly happen and whether all those checks

0:31:350:31:39

that we were told were made are all they're cracked up to be.

0:31:390:31:42

Judging from all your e-mails and letters

0:31:440:31:46

and, of course, the case we saw earlier in the programme,

0:31:460:31:49

it's still the most crucial part of having work done on your home,

0:31:490:31:53

so how can you be sure that you've picked the right person to do the job?

0:31:530:31:56

I would ask somebody who I know

0:31:570:31:59

or I would ask a friend if they know a builder.

0:31:590:32:02

Well, we do have a network of friends that, er...know people

0:32:020:32:06

in the building trade or whatever, so we get in touch with them.

0:32:060:32:11

I would ask one or two people that have had work done in their house

0:32:110:32:16

and say, "Is there anyone you could recommend?"

0:32:160:32:18

But when 77-year-old Brian Lambert from Tunbridge Wells

0:32:200:32:23

discovered a leak in his conservatory roof, he wasn't sure

0:32:230:32:27

of the best place to look for someone to fix it

0:32:270:32:29

until he heard the clatter of his letterbox.

0:32:290:32:32

I had a leaflet through the door from a roofing company

0:32:330:32:36

that was recommended by Checkatrade, so I thought

0:32:360:32:41

that it would be a good, reliable company for me to deal with.

0:32:410:32:44

The company's marketing made a big deal of the fact

0:32:480:32:50

that it was listed on Checkatrade,

0:32:500:32:52

which is perhaps the best-known of the various websites set up

0:32:520:32:56

to help us all find a trader we can trust, thanks to its ads on TV.

0:32:560:33:00

AD: 'We check their references, qualifications and insurances.'

0:33:000:33:05

But Brian didn't take the claims

0:33:050:33:07

that had come through his door on face value. He wanted to find out

0:33:070:33:11

what Checkatrade really thought of the builder.

0:33:110:33:13

After all, as well as recommending traders,

0:33:130:33:16

the service says it vets and monitors them as well.

0:33:160:33:18

I phoned Checkatrade to find out if the company was reliable and good

0:33:200:33:26

and Checkatrade said yes.

0:33:260:33:28

So, with that, Brian's next call was to the roofing company itself.

0:33:290:33:33

They popped round, gave him a quote for the job

0:33:330:33:36

and seemed thoroughly professional.

0:33:360:33:38

But I'm afraid those first impressions soon turned sour,

0:33:390:33:42

because, when the workmen left, Brian and his son Shane took a look

0:33:420:33:46

at the roof and were decidedly unimpressed with what they saw.

0:33:460:33:49

When I looked at the job, I could quite easily see that

0:33:490:33:52

it was a substandard job. I felt quite angry.

0:33:520:33:56

Brian had paid almost half of the ?2,500 cost upfront,

0:33:570:34:01

but on seeing the roof, he refused to pay the rest.

0:34:010:34:05

In the end, a total of ?1,500 was agreed with the roofing company,

0:34:050:34:09

although Brian and Shane still think that was just too high.

0:34:090:34:12

They've made a real mess of it and I'm out of pocket by a lot of money,

0:34:140:34:18

which I cannot afford to lose.

0:34:180:34:21

And of course what particularly frustrates Brian is that,

0:34:210:34:24

by choosing a company through Checkatrade,

0:34:240:34:26

he thought he'd would've been able to avoid problems like this.

0:34:260:34:29

I only went to Checkatrade in the first place

0:34:290:34:32

because they seem a very reliable and trusted trade company.

0:34:320:34:36

After this experience, I feel that Checkatrade have let me down badly,

0:34:360:34:40

because the roofers were just not up to the job.

0:34:400:34:43

So Brian and Shane got in touch with Checkatrade,

0:34:440:34:47

which sent an inspector to see the job for himself.

0:34:470:34:50

When he'd had a look, he was quite disgusted with the work that

0:34:500:34:53

they had completed. He estimated the job at being only ?500,

0:34:530:34:57

not the ?2,500 that they wanted to charge my father.

0:34:570:35:01

Big difference. And it was only then Brian and Shane discovered that,

0:35:010:35:04

whilst Checkatrade might indeed check the companies on their site,

0:35:040:35:08

there's very little they can do for customers left unhappy

0:35:080:35:11

if something goes wrong.

0:35:110:35:13

I tried to get some money back for my father,

0:35:130:35:15

but once we'd failed to do that, we were left on our own.

0:35:150:35:18

When we spoke to Checkatrade,

0:35:200:35:22

it apologised to Brian for the substandard work he had received,

0:35:220:35:25

but pointed out that, at the time, the company in question

0:35:250:35:28

had 42 positive reviews from happy customers.

0:35:280:35:31

It agreed, however, that the work was of a poor nature

0:35:310:35:34

and reiterated that, following attempts to contact the company,

0:35:340:35:38

it had been expelled from the site.

0:35:380:35:40

So Brian has been left wondering

0:35:420:35:44

if his trust in Checkatrade was misplaced.

0:35:440:35:47

It's so hard. There's so many of these firms, like Checkatrade, about

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that recommend people, but who do we turn to

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to get trusted workmen to do a good, honest job?

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Well, now, that's a question we get asked a lot by viewers

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just like Brian, who say they chose a trader through a website

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that looks like it's recommending the best for the job,

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only for things to still go wrong.

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So have such sites always made the extensive checks you may think?

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Well, to find out, we once again called on our property surveyor,

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Roger Southam, asking him to visit Brian and his son.

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Hi, nice to meet you. Nice to meet you.

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We wanted to explain how some of the best-known sites work

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and what a trader needs to do to be able to use their logos.

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Before he started,

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Roger couldn't resist taking a look at the work that kicked it all off.

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I've been up on the roof and had a look at the quality of the work

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that's been carried out and I've got to say, quite frankly,

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it is not of a great quality at all.

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So why did Brian come across the builder responsible

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on a site like Checkatrade?

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'For local, quality tradesmen, visit checkatrade.com today.'

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Well, Roger reckons the key thing to remember is that

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Checkatrade doesn't make constant checks on the people it lists.

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Instead, it uses feedback from customers

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to determine whether a business should continue to be recommended.

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Although it does say it interviews traders face-to-face and

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examines their credentials before including them in the first place.

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So, to get onto the site, there's been checks. Yeah.

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Once they're on, you're relying on the feedback from the public

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on the jobs that have been carried out.

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And Checkatrade does get lots and lots of that feedback.

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Its site includes more than 2? million customer reviews

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and it tells us that it goes through up to 40% of those published

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every month in order to pick up on any problems.

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If there are any, it may investigate or even suspend members,

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as indeed happened in Brian's case. And while, as we have seen,

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there's no recourse that the site can help with,

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Checkatrade tells us it's now part partnered with Trading Standards

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to further support monitoring and vetting.

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Among the various other sites offering a similar service

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are ones such as MyBuilder and Rated People, where they do require

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traders to supply references and have certain credentials.

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'If you're looking for a local builder you can trust,

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'you could stage a talent contest

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'or you could do it the easy way by going to MyBuilder.com.

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But again, once those checks are done,

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such sites mostly rely on reviews placed by customers.

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'RatedPeople.com, for quality, local tradesmen.'

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With Rated People, very similar to MyBuilder,

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where you put in the job you want carried out and then people will

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come up to you and say who's interested in doing the work.

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You're going to be looking at the reviews to assess whether

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the people are good, bad or indifferent - as far as you can -

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and then picking from that.

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The site MyBuilder told us that reviews can only be left

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by customers who've hired a tradesperson through the site

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and has stressed that it doesn't encourage people to

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believe that a successful project is guaranteed.

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And Rated People told us it invests a lot in vetting and screening

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and will suspend traders from its site if an investigation

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shows their work to be shoddy. It also said, although rarely used,

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it does offer a low-cost resolution service.

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Now, while each of these sites clearly has its merits,

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all of them are essentially

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based around customer reviews with a few extra checks.

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But there is another site that claims to have an extra edge.

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'Whether you need a builder, a decorator, a gardener

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'or even a new solar panel, TrustMark is here to introduce

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'customers to local quality firms and expert tradespeople.'

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Launched in 2005, TrustMark is

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the only site of this type endorsed by the government.

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In order to display its coveted logo, traders undergo

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not just a thorough vetting, but independent on-site inspections

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to regularly check their work and business practices.

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Now, TrustMark was a scheme similar to a Kitemark

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or similar to, um, some sort of approval body.

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So it's government-backed.

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There's checks being carried out on the firms and they're having to

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make sure they're up to scratch from that point of view.

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But some of the trade bodies it uses to check standards will only do so

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every three years, so if the standard of work drops

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between inspections, or the business gets into trouble,

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that information may not make it back to TrustMark straightaway.

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Unlike most of the other sites, however,

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if a TrustMark-registered trader gets the job wrong,

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customers will be helped through a dispute resolution process

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to try and sort it all out and all firms it recommends must offer

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deposit protection and warranties for work costing over ?500.

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Of course, none of these sites can ever ensure

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a building project that goes entirely to plan

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or that any trader will do a perfect job every time.

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So, rather than looking at any one of them in isolation,

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Roger advises putting aside even just a bit of time

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to do proper research to get the fullest possible picture

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on any business that you're considering taking on.

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It's worth spending that extra 15 minutes, half an hour,

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doing the research in advance to save yourself at least ?1,000

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and the grief and the stress and the worry that you've had.

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As for Brian, next time he's looking for someone to do a job, he's likely

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to stick to a more simple way of finding the right person.

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It's still better to go on the old-fashioned way

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of the old recommendation from your neighbours and friends

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and trusted local workmen.

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Well, I don't know about you, but I have to say

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that I'm still reeling from that story that we saw earlier

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about the poor couple whose house literally fell down.

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Now, on this programme, we're used to hearing about

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disastrous building work, but never before have I heard

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of a house completely collapsing like that one. Just disastrous.

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It's so sad. And what makes it worse, of course,

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is that it really did seem they had done everything right

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in terms of getting references, checking insurance was in place.

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Every box ticked, you'd have thought,

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yet, after all that, things still went horribly wrong.

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Well, thankfully, cases like that are indeed very rare and, of course,

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there are lots of things that you can do to give yourself

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the very best protection in case something does go wrong

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and, as ever, you will find lots more advice

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on subjects like that and others on our website...

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But, for now, thanks very much for joining us today

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and, from everyone on the team, bye-bye. Bye-bye! Goodbye.

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