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We asked you to tell us what's left you feeling ripped off

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and you contacted us in your thousands.

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You've told us about the companies you think get it wrong

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and the customer service that's simply not up to scratch.

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And you have to call them, it takes ages

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and someone else answers the phone

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who pretty much doesn't know what you're saying.

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The customer is not benefiting

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and, no, I'm not getting value for money.

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You asked us to track down the scammers who stole your money

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and investigate the extra charges you say are unfair.

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They don't deserve to be any form of business whatsoever

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and they just want shutting down.

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And when you've lost out but nobody else is to blame,

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you've come to us to stop others falling into the same trap.

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They took the money out of my account

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and I don't even know who it was that was scamming me.

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So whether it's a blatant rip off or a genuine mistake,

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we're here to find out why you're out of pocket

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and what you can do about it.

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Your stories, your money.

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This is Rip Off Britain.

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Hello and welcome to Rip Off Britain,

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where today we've set our sights on companies that,

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for one reason or another,

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don't always make it easy to do business with them.

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In one of the situations coming up,

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some of you have told us that it has proved almost impossible.

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And, as you'll see, there's a particular explanation for that

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and it's an area where a whole host of big names

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fall surprisingly short.

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But we'll also be getting to the bottom of other circumstances,

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where familiar stores don't make things as simple as they could,

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or even as sometimes they promise.

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All of which can stretch not just your patience,

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but also your loyalty to the limit.

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So as we investigate more of the stories you've asked us to look into

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on your behalf, we'll be seeing how many of the companies

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we're looking at really do appreciate that making things simple

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for the customer might ultimately benefit them too.

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Coming up...

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The big-name stores with the price-match promise,

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but will they always keep to it?

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It seems a bit to me like nit-picking.

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Not in the spirit of the whole scheme.

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And an extra charge when your pet gets sick

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if you go to a vet that ISN'T on your insurer's list.

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To penalise the policyholder by a further £200 extra excess,

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that's just not acceptable.

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Now, walk down any high street and you'll find stores

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not simply bragging that their prices are better than their rivals,

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but promising that if they turn out not to be the cheapest,

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they'll match the price elsewhere so that you're not left out of pocket.

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It's the long established business tactic,

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designed to keep us from shopping around.

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But you may find that holding a retailer to its word

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proves more complicated than you might expect

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and that price-match promise comes with some very specific conditions.

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The high street is a cut-throat place,

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one where the stores will go at great lengths to win

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and keep our business and there's no better way to keep us coming back

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than by promising that they won't be beaten on price.

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To save you time, we price check your branded shop at Asda,

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Morrisons and Sainsbury's when you buy ten or more different products.

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Whether they call it a price promise,

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a low price guarantee or any number of those other seductive names,

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retailers just love to tell us that if you can find the same product

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for a cheaper price somewhere else, they'll match it.

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But you've been telling us that things are not always

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quite as simple as they might first appear.

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So I've recruited marketing expert Phil Adcock to see if some stores

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are playing Pinocchio with their price-match promise,

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or if they really do stack up.

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-Hi, nice to meet you again.

-Nice to see you again. I know...

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'And firstly we want to know what shoppers think they'll get

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'when they hear that price-match pledge.'

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-If you see a store that's got a price promise...

-Yes.

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..what do you think that means?

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Well, it should mean that they'll match the lowest price

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that you come up with.

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If they can't match it then you either get money back...

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And have you often challenged that?

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-No.

-I've never thought about doing it.

-No?

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-Do you just trust the shop's going to match it and that's it?

-Yeah.

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Well, it certainly sounds like we've bought into what they tell us.

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But scratch the surface and Philip says price promises

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don't always work quite the way you might expect.

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As shoppers, we are much more likely to end our search for products

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when we get to a store that's got a price-match scheme.

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So it's in the interest to do it.

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They get our trust and what they don't want more than anything

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is for us to leave and buy it somewhere else.

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So if they can make us stay in their store

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and promise the price is all right here

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and even if it's wrong, we'll give you the money back,

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let's have the money off of you, Mr Shopper, Mrs Shopper.

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But they're not giving you the lowest price,

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they're matching somebody else's price.

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Perhaps the best-known price promise on the high street is at John Lewis.

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The store introduced its

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"never knowingly undersold" motto back in 1925

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and it's been one of the company's cornerstone values ever since.

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But Malcolm Radley, from Essex, e-mailed us,

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frustrated that if you do find the same product

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you've bought sold elsewhere for less,

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never knowingly undersold may not be the slam dunk money back guarantee

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that you might have assumed.

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"Having researched the television I wanted on the internet,

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"I found that it was cheaper with a company called Appliances Direct."

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So Malcolm sent details of that company's price guarantees

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and delivery arrangements to John Lewis,

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hoping they would refund the difference.

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"I then received an e-mail stating that

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" 'Appliances Direct did not meet the price match criteria because,

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" 'although they did free delivery,

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" 'if by chance you fail to be in to take delivery,

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" 'there would be a re-delivery charge.' "

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So although the TV itself was cheaper elsewhere,

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John Lewis wouldn't match the lower price

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because whilst the goods were a like for like match,

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the service the company offered wasn't.

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It seems to me a bit like nit-picking.

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Not in the spirit of the whole scheme.

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Unfortunately for Malcolm,

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John Lewis's terms and conditions are very clear.

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The lower price has to be with a company

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offering exactly the same service as well as price.

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So in this case, the price match didn't apply.

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So I've pulled this bit up actually.

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It's headed, comparing service conditions.

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It says, "This means we compare how we sell the product with

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"to how it's sold by the competitor.

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"We particularly look at stock availability,

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"delivery charges and fittings/installation services."

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It's not really right. I mean, if they're talking about the delivery

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and the re-delivery if you're out, it's getting very tenuous.

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Can you imagine somebody trying to explain that?

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A shop worker trying to explain that, "Yes, you can buy it

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"and here's our scheme but if you are out when we deliver it,

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"and they're in, so it doesn't count..."

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Very tenuous.

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Well, Philip may think that but in fact

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John Lewis is by no means the only store to have various exclusions

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applying to its price promise.

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Currys only match the prices of five other big retailers,

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a cheaper price anywhere else simply won't count.

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Mothercare limits the deals to individual prices,

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rather than multipacks.

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And Maplin doesn't match its prices with those at online-only stories.

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And while, of course, there's nothing wrong with any of that,

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if the offer of a price match was what secured your business

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in the first place and stopped you looking around

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for a better deal elsewhere, you might end up feeling a bit miffed.

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And one final point, all these products,

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these price promises, look, "We compare that with that."

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In truth, most products aren't comparable.

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-Why?

-Look very carefully at the model number.

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You can have the 123X model of television

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and the 123XB model of a television.

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No visible difference but that means those two aren't the same.

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Another thing they tend to do is bundle products

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so it's impossible.

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"So we'll give you free washing powder with the washing machine."

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Suddenly it's incomparable with the washing machine

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without washing powder. As soon as they make it incomparable,

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it doesn't fit into any price promise.

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Dean Dunham is chief executive of the government authorised

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Retail Ombudsman and although he regularly sees complaints

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about price promise deals,

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more often than not he puts them down to customers misunderstanding

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exactly how the deal works.

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Those complaints are usually where the retailer has said,

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"Very sorry, in these circumstances we can't price match."

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And what that means is the consumer hasn't read the exclusions

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in the terms and conditions. The million-dollar question is,

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is it misleading when you put something

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in the terms and conditions which basically excludes a price match?

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And the answer to that is generally no.

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And unfortunately for Malcolm,

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Dean doesn't think that John Lewis is being unfair

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with the restrictions to its scheme.

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To be fair to John Lewis,

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they have to price match on a like-for-like basis.

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They are clear about this. We've looked at it closely.

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Therefore what Malcolm has suffered with is that he has expected them

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to price match against any other retailer.

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The reality is that's not possible.

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But when we got in touch with John Lewis,

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the retailer was a little more flexible.

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It said that "although a case like Malcolm's wouldn't technically

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"be covered under the terms and conditions

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"of its Never Knowingly Undersold policy,

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"it would normally grant such a request as a gesture of goodwill."

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That's because the store allows staff to...

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So the store told us it contacted Malcolm to say that it will be...

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But, of course, there can be price match schemes where

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the details either aren't so clear or perhaps genuinely are unfair.

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At the Retail Ombudsman we really receive two types of complaints

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in relation to price match.

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The first type is where the retailer has explained themselves properly

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but the consumer hasn't taken notice of it.

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In those cases the retailer will be right.

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The other type is where the retailer simply has not explained

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in clear enough terms what's included and what's not.

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Now, in those cases we will go back to the retailer

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and explain that you have actually misled the consumer

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and therefore you must do something about that.

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Most retailers generally do honour their price match,

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provided, that is, that your claim meets all the terms and conditions.

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But as far as Phil Adcock's concerned,

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the real winners of the price promise guarantees

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tend not to be the customers but the shops themselves.

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The original reason for these things was to encourage competition.

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But what we find now is instead of driving down prices,

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all the retailers do is match somebody else's price

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most of the time.

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So what they're actually doing is keeping prices slightly higher

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cos nobody will come in and beat somebody else's price,

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they only have to match it.

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If you're an animal lover, as I am, then you'll know, as I do,

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looking after a pet can be a pricey business,

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especially if they need regular or long-term health care,

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a diabetic cat in my case.

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Of course, almost every owner would say they'd pay almost anything

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to keep their animals happy and healthy.

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But we've been hearing a lot from people querying the cost

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of their pet insurance and wondering if the odds aren't rather stacked

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in favour of the insurer.

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And when you hear about a change that could affect a substantial

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number of pet insurance policies in the UK, you might tend to agree.

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Meet Harry and Sophie.

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Come here, Soph.

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They're a breed of dog called bichon frise

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and they're the pride and joy of Tony and Carla Dearsley

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from Northampton.

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Sophie and Harry are part of our family.

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It's Carla, Tony, Sophie and Harry.

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They're just part of the family unit.

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When Harry and Sophie were puppies,

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Carla and Tony took out pet insurance with More Than

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and for most of the dogs' lives

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they haven't needed to claim on the policy.

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But in September last year,

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Harry started showing some worrying symptoms.

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So we took into the local vets to get him checked out.

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And they took blood tests,

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took urine samples and he was diagnosed as being diabetic.

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Come on, Harry. Come on.

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Harry's diabetes, just like the human version,

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was kept in check with daily insulin injections

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and his health seemed to be improving.

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But less than two months later, he took a turn for the worse.

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Carla and I noticed his eyes were totally opaque

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and it was clear that he couldn't see,

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he was walking into the walls around the house.

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He couldn't see where curbs were.

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He was obviously distressed.

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Harry's diabetes had caused him to develop cataracts

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and they were so serious that the vet immediately referred him

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to a different practice for specialist treatment.

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The specialists were so concerned about the swelling

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in one of Harry's eyes

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that they feared he may have to lose his eye...

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so they wanted to operate on him the following day.

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Tony and Carla told the specialist to do whatever was necessary

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to save Harry's sight.

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After a nerve-racking wait came welcome news.

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When they telephoned

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and told us that the operation had been a success,

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the relief was unbelievable.

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But the whole procedure had cost almost £6,000

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so Tony put a claim through on his More Than insurance policy.

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I felt quite reassured I was with More Than.

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And to be fair, they paid up, no problem.

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But the family's relief was short lived

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because it wasn't long before Sophie started showing symptoms

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of the same illness.

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We got worried and immediately thought, "Is this diabetes?"

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The local vet confirmed that was the case and worse still,

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Sophie's eyes soon began to show signs of cataracts,

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just like Harry's.

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So Sophie was referred to the same specialist that had treated Harry

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and sure enough, she too needed surgery at a cost of £4,600.

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It brought back lots of memories about the stress, the worry,

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the anguish of when Harry...

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had to go in and have his cataracts dealt with.

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But we felt reassured that we were with an insurance company

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that would back us up by paying for the treatment.

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But this time, More Than wasn't so ready to cover all the costs

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because, since Harry's treatment, Royal Sun Alliance,

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which owns More Than had made a crucial change

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to most of the pet insurance policies it underwrites.

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The cost of referrals would only now be covered if it was to

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one of the specialists on a new list of preferred suppliers.

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And the centre that treated Sophie wasn't on the preferred list.

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In fact, at the time there were just 29 practices on it

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across the whole UK.

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Under the new rules any customer claiming for specialist treatment

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at a practice not on the list would be charged an extra excess of £200.

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Tony accepts he had been made aware of the new clause months earlier

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but it had completely slipped his mind

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and his natural reaction to Sophie's diagnosis was

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to get her treated at the same centre that had saved Harry's sight,

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a centre trusted by the vet who's cared for both dogs all their lives.

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We spend a lot of time building up a relationship with our clients.

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They trust us to recommend the best for their pets

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and when we recommend a referral centre,

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they trust that we're recommending that because that is really

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the best place to go.

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I can understand the insurance companies are getting worried

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because costs are rising

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but there's no need to penalise certain patients.

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The extra £200 charge isn't applied to emergency treatments

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but is added to every other kind of referral

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and it doesn't just affect More Than policies

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but others also underwritten by Royal Sun Alliance,

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including Tesco pet insurance.

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It shouldn't be for the insurance company to dictate to the pet owner

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over the professional opinion of the pet owner's local vet

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but then to penalise the policyholder

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by a further £200 extra excess, that's just not acceptable.

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The £200 charge only applies once per condition

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so Sophie can continue to be treated for her cataracts at the centre

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that saved her sight without Tony and Carla having to pay more.

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And because Harry started his treatment there

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before the clause was introduced,

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the new charge won't apply to him either.

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But, as both dogs get older,

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Tony fears they may need specialist treatment for further conditions

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and he can't see why he should have to pay extra

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to get that from a place he trusts.

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I feel trapped now because I've now got two diabetic dogs,

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two dogs that have got cataracts,

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two dogs that need ongoing treatment,

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so I have to accept really

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whatever policy increases More Than decide to apply,

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or I have to think, "OK, I'll fund the treatment myself."

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Some of the other policies underwritten by Royal Sun Alliance

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including pet insurance offered by Marks & Spencer

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haven't yet brought in this extra charge

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but all policies sold by More Than, Argos and Tesco Bank

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will introduce it either when a new policy is taken out

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or an existing one is renewed,

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and there are plenty of vets up in arms about that.

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So, Dick, tell me why your organisation is so upset about this?

0:17:460:17:51

Well, I represent a group of specialist referral clinics

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who have decided not to cooperate with the preferred providers scheme.

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We believe profoundly that it limits the options for animal owners

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and for their vets.

0:18:060:18:07

What do you think the financial argument behind this is?

0:18:070:18:11

Well, I think only RSA can answer that

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but certainly when we had negotiations with RSA,

0:18:130:18:17

their opening demand was

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that we would reduce our fees to them by 10%.

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So I think it's not really about customer care,

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it's about RSA wanting to drive down costs

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in a situation where they perceive to be inflation above average.

0:18:320:18:37

So what's happening to pet owners now?

0:18:370:18:39

How are they being affected at this very moment?

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I think there's a great deal of confusion

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and upset amongst pet owners.

0:18:440:18:46

Those who haven't been directly affected are certainly confused

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and are calling us pretty regularly.

0:18:500:18:53

Those owners who do have a sick pet are faced at times of

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a great deal of stress and upset in the middle of the night

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not knowing what to do and not being clear where they should go.

0:19:010:19:05

I think the advice is they should listen to their GP vet,

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make that decision with them and go to the referral clinic

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that they think is best between them.

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It's perhaps not surprising that specialists who aren't on the list

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might be opposed to it,

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after all it could take away some of their business.

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But while those vets say that the preferred network limits choice

0:19:220:19:26

for pet owners,

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Royal Sun Alliance itself insists it gives them better value for money

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and ultimately keeps premiums down.

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It's not an attempt to interfere with the clinical decisions of vets,

0:19:350:19:40

it's an attempt to control the cost,

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to make the product more affordable and sustainable for the future.

0:19:420:19:47

If you take, say, an MRI scan,

0:19:470:19:50

this is probably a good example,

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the veterinary industry charge anywhere between £500 and £1,500

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for the same MRI scan.

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Now, we're saying that we have to control that cost.

0:19:590:20:02

An MRI scan is an MRI scan.

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We're saying that there's got to be a standard rate for that.

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RSA has added a further 25 practices to its preferred referral network

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and says that 77% of customers are now within an hour's drive

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of a referral practice. What's more,

0:20:180:20:21

the company insists that anyone who ends up being charged that £200

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can appeal the decision.

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And it says there are all sorts of situations

0:20:280:20:30

where you might not need to pay.

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For example, if you live more than 60 miles away from a practice

0:20:310:20:35

on the list or a pet needs treatment its specialists can't provide.

0:20:350:20:39

If there are exceptional circumstances

0:20:420:20:44

then we'll reimburse the £200

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and I believe that in several cases that's already happened.

0:20:470:20:51

We've only charged the £200 on four or five occasions.

0:20:510:20:55

You know, we have 460,000 bills from vets in a year

0:20:550:21:00

so it's absolutely minimal

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what we've actually charged people to do that

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whilst we get the network established.

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Indeed, Tony and Carla are among the customers

0:21:080:21:11

whose £200 has been refunded

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because Sophie's cataracts were a result of her diabetes

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and the change in policy came just after treatment for that had begun.

0:21:180:21:22

RSA say if the couple had called them to discuss it,

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the charge would never have been applied

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so it urges all customers to pick up the phone

0:21:270:21:30

before starting treatment.

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We want the telephone call to discuss the treatment

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either from your local vet or from you.

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By that, we can give you a decision there and then

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if we're going to waive the £200.

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There is now one of RSA's preferred referral practices

0:21:470:21:51

less than 20 minutes away from Tony and Carla's house

0:21:510:21:54

but the couple aren't so easily persuaded.

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As far as they're concerned, the only factor that should determine

0:21:570:22:01

where their precious pets get treatment

0:22:010:22:03

is where they'll get the best care.

0:22:030:22:06

Harry and Sophie are always there.

0:22:060:22:09

We've got a great relationship.

0:22:090:22:10

And I'm not going to let them down.

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I'll fight for them but I'll also fight for all the other pet owners.

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Still to come on Rip Off Britain -

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why some of Britain's best-known online retailers

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are impossible to use for the hundreds and thousands of people

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who have problems with their sight.

0:22:320:22:34

We certainly don't have the same choice as the sighted world.

0:22:340:22:38

It's like trying to walk up an escalator the wrong way.

0:22:380:22:42

That's just what it feels like, online shopping, most of the time.

0:22:420:22:45

One of the biggest shopping centres in Europe was this year's venue

0:22:490:22:52

for the annual Rip Off Britain pop-up shop.

0:22:520:22:55

It's our chance to meet as many of you as we possibly can

0:22:570:23:00

and it was great to hear how much you appreciate

0:23:000:23:02

all the advice on the show.

0:23:020:23:04

I think the programme educates you

0:23:040:23:05

and you're a little bit more aware of potentially being ripped off.

0:23:050:23:08

It's absolutely brilliant.

0:23:080:23:11

We really do have a fantastic team of experts with us

0:23:110:23:14

in our pop-up shop this year.

0:23:140:23:16

We've got Trading Standards, we've got financial experts,

0:23:160:23:19

we've got legal experts and citizen's advice.

0:23:190:23:22

And they're all really keen to be able to give on-the-spot advice to

0:23:220:23:25

any of the people that come into our pop-up shop

0:23:250:23:28

and hopefully be able to sort out their problems,

0:23:280:23:30

but just as importantly, the advice and tips that they're passing on

0:23:300:23:34

will ensure that you at home don't get caught out.

0:23:340:23:38

Of course, sometimes you don't need any specific advice.

0:23:380:23:41

You just want to get a few things off your chest.

0:23:410:23:43

And that's where our Gripe Corner comes in.

0:23:430:23:46

Right. What winds you up?

0:23:460:23:48

And for those who didn't fancy going it alone on camera,

0:23:480:23:50

we got two complaints for the price of one with these dynamic duos.

0:23:500:23:55

Our rip-off is going to a Premier League football store.

0:23:550:23:58

The kids jersey was £65.

0:23:580:24:01

-How much was it online?

-£16.

0:24:010:24:04

I feel like I've been ripped off.

0:24:040:24:06

I bought some points for an online game which I never received.

0:24:060:24:09

They just told us after two days it's nowt to do with us any more

0:24:090:24:12

so you lose your money. And we think it's an absolute rip-off.

0:24:120:24:15

What winds me up mostly is nuisance phone calls.

0:24:150:24:19

Please just leave us alone.

0:24:190:24:21

SHE LAUGHS

0:24:210:24:22

It really winds me up above all other things.

0:24:220:24:26

The cost of cinema tickets. These days it's like a £50 day

0:24:260:24:29

so it'd be nice if they were a little bit cheaper

0:24:290:24:31

to accommodate families like us.

0:24:310:24:33

Over in our shop, husband and wife Wilf and Sheila were booking in

0:24:350:24:38

for their appointment.

0:24:380:24:40

They had a problem with their car

0:24:400:24:41

so Trading Standards officer Sylvia Rook

0:24:410:24:44

and Martin James from the Financial Ombudsman Service

0:24:440:24:47

met them outside in the shopping centre car park

0:24:470:24:49

with the vehicle in question.

0:24:490:24:51

Do you want to tell us what it's all about?

0:24:510:24:54

We purchased the car second-hand from a garage

0:24:540:24:56

what was quite a distance away from where we came from.

0:24:560:24:59

When we were there, they asked us if we wanted to have

0:24:590:25:02

an extended warranty on it.

0:25:020:25:03

So, at first I declined the offer

0:25:030:25:07

but then they took Wilf outside to look at something else

0:25:070:25:09

and persuaded him that it was a good idea.

0:25:090:25:12

And when the salesman and Wilf returned to the sales office

0:25:120:25:15

they convinced Sheila as well.

0:25:150:25:17

The first leaflet they gave us, they showed us all the things

0:25:170:25:19

what could go wrong on the car

0:25:190:25:21

and it did seem like a fairly good cover.

0:25:210:25:24

They said we'd have trouble-free motoring for 12 months.

0:25:240:25:27

We said, "No, go on, we'll have it."

0:25:270:25:29

-How much did the warranty cost you?

-It cost us over £300.

0:25:290:25:33

But the couple felt it was money well spent to get peace of mind,

0:25:330:25:36

along with their second-hand car.

0:25:360:25:38

And when the vehicle developed a fault six months in,

0:25:380:25:40

they thought, "Well, this is exactly what the policy's there for."

0:25:400:25:44

The water pump went on the car so we phoned

0:25:440:25:47

and they said it was due to wear and tear

0:25:470:25:49

so they wouldn't do nothing about it.

0:25:490:25:51

They just wouldn't pay out

0:25:510:25:52

so we had to pay for the water pump ourselves,

0:25:520:25:54

even though we'd purchased the warranty thinking that we would have

0:25:540:25:58

trouble-free motoring for 12 months, which we never got.

0:25:580:26:00

After paying £380 to get their water pump fixed,

0:26:000:26:04

the couple were left wondering what was the point of the warranty

0:26:040:26:07

in the first place.

0:26:070:26:09

And that's the question Sylvia has seen customers struggle with a lot.

0:26:090:26:13

There is no statutory definition of what's wear and tear

0:26:130:26:16

and it does make things very difficult for you.

0:26:160:26:18

My personal view is that actually warranties generally

0:26:180:26:22

are not usually worth the amount you pay for them

0:26:220:26:24

because you have statutory rights anyway when you buy anything,

0:26:240:26:27

including a car. Ultimately what you do,

0:26:270:26:29

you would have to decide whether you want to try and pursue this matter

0:26:290:26:33

through the Small Claims Court

0:26:330:26:34

and try and sue them for the repair costs.

0:26:340:26:36

Absolutely. Now, first things first though,

0:26:360:26:38

I think the most important thing to do is to see

0:26:380:26:40

if we can find a free option.

0:26:400:26:42

The Financial Ombudsman Service oversees

0:26:420:26:44

a range of financial products,

0:26:440:26:47

including some policies like Sheila and Wilf's.

0:26:470:26:49

So if theirs is one that the organisation covers,

0:26:490:26:52

Martin thinks they may have a case and he's happy to check it all out.

0:26:520:26:56

So we'll get onto the company for you.

0:26:560:26:58

It looks like it is promising quite a bit in the booklet

0:26:580:27:01

so let's see what's going on behind that.

0:27:010:27:03

Totally understand where you're coming from.

0:27:030:27:05

Doesn't feel like a long time and it seems a little bit unfair

0:27:050:27:07

when you see wear and tear there. But let's see what we can do.

0:27:070:27:10

-JULIA:

-So plenty to hope for?

0:27:100:27:12

-OK, thank you.

-Right, thank you.

-Thank you.

0:27:120:27:14

And those seeds of hope did bear fruit.

0:27:140:27:16

Martin's team at the Financial Ombudsman Service

0:27:160:27:19

got in touch with the warranty company on the couple's behalf.

0:27:190:27:22

And when they did, the company reviewed the case

0:27:220:27:24

and decided to pay out after all,

0:27:240:27:26

handing over the full £380 for the new water pump.

0:27:260:27:30

I think you'll agree, a great result

0:27:300:27:32

and exactly what Sheila and Wilf were hoping for.

0:27:320:27:35

As well as the pop-up shop itself,

0:27:380:27:40

we've been out and about here in the shopping centre

0:27:400:27:42

giving you all sorts of advice and information

0:27:420:27:46

on a whole range of consumer topics.

0:27:460:27:49

With the help of solicitor Gary Rycroft,

0:27:520:27:54

we wanted to sort out fact from fiction

0:27:540:27:56

and dispel some very common misconceptions

0:27:560:27:59

about the way the law treats certain situations closer to home.

0:27:590:28:02

We've got some questions that we're asking people about relationships.

0:28:020:28:06

-Lots of legal myths out there...

-Right?

0:28:060:28:08

..so we're going to do a bit of myth busting.

0:28:080:28:11

-What do you reckon?

-True.

-Yes.

-True?

-They can be overwritten in court.

0:28:140:28:17

-True.

-Yes, true.

0:28:170:28:19

You're absolutely right.

0:28:190:28:21

The English courts have now started to look at prenups

0:28:210:28:25

and they are taken into account sometimes

0:28:250:28:27

but they're not strictly speaking legally binding.

0:28:270:28:30

OK, now, this one.

0:28:300:28:32

-Do you think that's true or false?

-I'd say true.

-False.

0:28:390:28:41

-True.

-We've got a mixture of opinions.

-False.

-False.

0:28:410:28:44

-True.

-True.

-False.

0:28:440:28:46

It is fiction. Tell them what the legal situation is.

0:28:460:28:49

Well, if you actually lose capacity

0:28:490:28:51

you no longer have the capacity to make a lasting power of attorney

0:28:510:28:54

so it really is something that we should, all of us, young or old,

0:28:540:28:58

-think about doing now because...

-We've got one.

-Have you done it?

0:28:580:29:01

-Brilliant, you've got one.

-Yeah.

-That's great.

-Oh, well done.

0:29:010:29:04

OK, last question.

0:29:040:29:07

-If you can prove it.

-You think that's true?

-Yeah.

0:29:120:29:14

-It is fiction.

-This really is a legal myth.

0:29:140:29:17

I hear it all the time.

0:29:170:29:19

"We've lived together for two years or more.

0:29:190:29:21

"Three or four years. We're common-law husband and wife."

0:29:210:29:23

In law there is no such thing as a common-law husband and wife,

0:29:230:29:27

it is a complete fiction.

0:29:270:29:29

-Are you married?

-Yes.

-You're safe.

0:29:290:29:31

-Thank you all very much indeed. Good sports.

-Thank you.

-Thank you.

0:29:340:29:37

Bye.

0:29:370:29:38

As technology marches on and we're encouraged to do more and more

0:29:420:29:45

of the things online that we used to do in person

0:29:450:29:48

we often hear from people here at the programme

0:29:480:29:51

who feel frustrated or left behind.

0:29:510:29:53

And while for some that might be because

0:29:530:29:55

they just don't have the equipment or indeed the knowledge

0:29:550:29:58

to log on at home,

0:29:580:29:59

there are hundreds and thousands of others who would like nothing more

0:29:590:30:03

than to be able to take advantage of the latest website offers,

0:30:030:30:07

if only the companies behind those deals

0:30:070:30:09

would make their site easier to use and indeed to navigate.

0:30:090:30:13

Because for the almost two million people in the UK with sight loss,

0:30:130:30:18

shopping online can sometimes be a whole lot more difficult

0:30:180:30:22

than it ought to be,

0:30:220:30:23

even on quite a few of the biggest websites in the retail business,

0:30:230:30:26

where it can be impossible for some people to do any shopping at all.

0:30:260:30:31

Three quarters of us now use the internet to buy goods

0:30:330:30:37

or services and for most of us,

0:30:370:30:39

the more familiar websites typically look like this.

0:30:390:30:42

But for many of the two million Brits who are blind

0:30:420:30:45

or partially sighted,

0:30:450:30:46

those same sites will more likely look something like this,

0:30:460:30:50

which can make shopping there virtually impossible.

0:30:500:30:53

I've come to the Galloway's Society for the Blind in Preston

0:30:550:30:59

to meet Nia Williams.

0:30:590:31:01

Her vision is impaired and she often feels excluded from deals on sites

0:31:010:31:05

that, for her, simply aren't accessible.

0:31:050:31:09

I think sometimes it can mean you're missing them bargains, really.

0:31:090:31:13

It is a shame because it means that you are missing out.

0:31:130:31:17

Like many people, when Nia goes online,

0:31:170:31:20

she relies on the assisted software

0:31:200:31:22

that's now a standard feature of almost all computers,

0:31:220:31:25

phones and tablets,

0:31:250:31:27

which magnifies and reads out everything on-screen.

0:31:270:31:30

Technology has really moved on

0:31:300:31:32

and this assisted technology is already in-built into the devices,

0:31:320:31:36

which is fantastic.

0:31:360:31:37

It was described to me by a service user as a window to their world

0:31:370:31:41

and I thought that was a lovely way of putting it because it meant that

0:31:410:31:43

they could interact socially,

0:31:430:31:46

shop online and live an independent life,

0:31:460:31:48

which is the way it should be.

0:31:480:31:51

But that software can only do its job on websites and apps

0:31:510:31:55

that are designed to be compatible and some of them aren't.

0:31:550:31:59

Take this one from online clothes retailer Boohoo.

0:31:590:32:03

Though the software on Nia's tablet does its best to read out

0:32:030:32:07

what it sees...

0:32:070:32:08

-TABLET:

-'Home underscore banner. Home underscore banner.'

0:32:080:32:12

You can hear it's getting rather confused

0:32:120:32:14

and that's because the retailer hasn't included any text description

0:32:140:32:18

of the clothes that are being shown.

0:32:180:32:21

It doesn't say what it is.

0:32:210:32:23

'So it can't offer up any explanation

0:32:230:32:24

'for what's being displayed.'

0:32:240:32:27

'Home underscore banner.'

0:32:270:32:29

So it's not really describing what's on the screen at all, is it?

0:32:290:32:32

Which makes it really problematic

0:32:320:32:34

because you don't know what's on in front of you.

0:32:340:32:36

Nia gave me a taste of what it's like

0:32:360:32:38

for people with visual impairment to navigate the internet,

0:32:380:32:42

using a pair of special classes that mimic an age-related sight problem

0:32:420:32:46

that affects over 600,000 people in the United Kingdom.

0:32:460:32:49

-That there is age-related macular degeneration.

-OK.

0:32:490:32:54

Ooh, gosh. Well, it's like looking through

0:32:540:32:57

-a very, very thick piece of black gauze.

-Yeah.

0:32:570:33:00

I can make out shapes

0:33:000:33:02

and I've got a little bit of peripheral vision here.

0:33:020:33:06

-With macular, it does affect your central vision...

-Yeah.

0:33:060:33:09

..so it creates distortions.

0:33:090:33:12

Let's just see what happens with this.

0:33:120:33:14

If I wanted to look at this at your iPad, even with the zoom,

0:33:140:33:19

-it is still incredibly difficult.

-Yeah.

0:33:190:33:23

Some websites are designed to allow good access to all users

0:33:230:33:27

but an astonishing 70% of those looked at since 2008

0:33:270:33:31

by the Business Disability Forum have had significant access issues,

0:33:310:33:37

which is a huge problem for people like Georgina Joyce.

0:33:370:33:41

Georgina, tell me exactly what your visual impairment is.

0:33:420:33:46

I have a genetic version of retinitis pigmentosa,

0:33:460:33:50

which means that over the years my sight has rapidly deteriorated.

0:33:500:33:55

How much vision do you actually have?

0:33:550:33:58

I have just about enough when I wake up in the morning and I think,

0:33:580:34:02

"Oh, is it morning?" and I can see if light is streaming

0:34:020:34:05

through the window but that's about as much use as my sight has.

0:34:050:34:09

Georgina doesn't let her vision restrict her use of the internet

0:34:090:34:14

but that can often mean searching high and low for sites

0:34:140:34:17

that have been built with accessibility in mind.

0:34:170:34:19

So what are the things that you look for that make a site really good

0:34:190:34:23

-and work for you?

-Good text...

0:34:230:34:27

explanation that describes what that image is of

0:34:270:34:31

and whatever the vital bit of information is.

0:34:310:34:34

And all of that is especially important for online shops.

0:34:350:34:39

We're on a Marks & Spencer's site here.

0:34:390:34:42

Black dress. Just hit enter and just see what it comes up with.

0:34:420:34:46

As long as the retailer includes on its site descriptions of the images

0:34:460:34:50

that are shown there,

0:34:500:34:51

the software built into Georgina's computer will be able to read

0:34:510:34:55

that information out when she navigates the picture.

0:34:550:34:58

See what the quick-look link offers.

0:34:580:35:00

-COMPUTER:

-'M&S Collection belted trench shirt dress.

0:35:000:35:03

'Current price. Available in two colours.'

0:35:030:35:05

But not all retailers design their sites in a way that makes it easy

0:35:070:35:11

for Georgina to find the details that she needs to make a purchase,

0:35:110:35:15

including, much to her frustration,

0:35:150:35:17

the one belonging to big-name clothing store Next.

0:35:170:35:20

What about the Next site?

0:35:200:35:22

Because that was one that gave you particular problems, wasn't it?

0:35:220:35:24

It was. I saw this black jumpsuit and I thought, "Fantastic."

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-I can see it on the screen. It looks terrific.

-Does it?

-Yeah!

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-A reasonable price as well. I learned that it's £60.

-Yeah.

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So far, so good.

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But when she tries to choose the size that she wants...

0:35:370:35:40

-'Size.'

-That says size so I navigate to the next sort of section...

0:35:400:35:45

'A-D-D to bag.'

0:35:450:35:47

And it's saying, "A-D-D to bag."

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Georgina struggles to find the right box to make her selection.

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See if I can do a search for choose.

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-'Enter search text. Choose.'

-COMPUTER BLEEPS

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No, it's just bleeping so it can't find the word choose

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so I can't choose my size and Next have lost a customer.

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The law says any store whether online or a physical shop

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has to be accessible to everyone.

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And the technology certainly exists for retailers to make sure

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that their sites are up to scratch.

0:36:160:36:19

-PHONE:

-'This image may contain six people.

0:36:190:36:21

'Child. Close-up. Like.'

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Like.

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Social media giant Facebook is leading the way

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in creating sites that are easier to use

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for those with a visual impairment,

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using cutting-edge object recognition

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to automatically provide a description of an image.

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He's going to love it. You have no idea.

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This is amazing.

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And Barclays and HSBC have won awards

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for the accessibility of their websites.

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But when it comes to shopping online,

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things can still be hit and miss.

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So we invited Georgina to the Rip Off Britain office to put

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the websites of the five leading online retailers to the test.

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Georgina, it's great to see you again.

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Between them, Amazon, Tesco, Argos, John Lewis and Next

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generate a total of £12 billion of online sales.

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That's about a quarter of the UK's total online spend.

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But how much have they invested in making their sites accessible?

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Well, Georgina's going to put them through their paces,

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starting with Britain's largest supermarket, Tesco.

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Daily amount summary.

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-COMPUTER:

-'Heading level three. Energy.'

0:37:310:37:33

-Energy.

-'Heading level three. Fat.'

-Fat.

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'Heading level three. Saturates.'

0:37:360:37:38

'Heading level two, description.'

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And then we come to a description.

0:37:400:37:43

'Topped with fresh mashed potato...'

0:37:430:37:44

-It does make you feel hungry when...

-ANGELA LAUGHS

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Listening to the description.

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So Tesco gets a big thumbs up from Georgina.

0:37:490:37:53

It's been years since I looked at the Tesco website and I was amazed.

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It just feels absolutely lovely for a screen reader to use that website.

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Next up, John Lewis.

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Last year, one in three of its sales took place online and

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though Georgina did find elements of its site accessible,

0:38:080:38:12

overall it was that familiar problem -

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too many pictures and not enough text.

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It's a lot easier for them to put a photograph on.

0:38:170:38:21

It just seems everyone's just cutting back on the text content

0:38:210:38:24

and using pictures to sell the item.

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-And pictures are no good to you.

-And pictures are no good to me.

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Let's see how she got on with Britain's biggest online retailer,

0:38:310:38:35

Amazon.

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I do purchase a lot of things from Amazon

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but I do find it a frustrating website to actually use.

0:38:390:38:42

-Just imagine I want to purchase this Android tablet.

-Yeah.

0:38:420:38:47

I do that and I think they scroll banners along the top

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and it causes the screen reader to jump down to the bottom of the page

0:38:520:38:56

so it's about... Sometimes you have to be quite quick to..

0:38:560:38:59

'Heading level... Heading level two, average...

0:38:590:39:01

'Heading... Head... Heading level...'

0:39:010:39:03

-I'm going up the page now.

-Yes, you are.

-Yeah.

-Yeah.

0:39:030:39:05

'Show results for... Heading level. Dialogue.'

0:39:050:39:07

-Oh, it's gone back down to the bottom again.

-Oh, right.

0:39:070:39:09

I think I've gone to the description now.

0:39:090:39:11

'Size name, nine inch vertical line. Product description.'

0:39:110:39:14

But, you know, it's a lot of effort to get down to...

0:39:140:39:17

You've really got to want to buy this product, haven't you,

0:39:170:39:19

-and stick with it?

-To be fair to Amazon,

0:39:190:39:21

there's quite a lot of text information about this,

0:39:210:39:24

you know, about its battery usage and that sort of thing

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so it's not too bad.

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That leaves just two of the top five online retailers.

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Argos, whose website Georgina did like,

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though she found its structure rather confusing,

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and Next which, of course, she's had trouble with before.

0:39:390:39:43

She had another go,

0:39:430:39:44

this time trying to buy something from the store's home department.

0:39:440:39:48

But she failed again.

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And as for the clothes she'd been after when we first met...

0:39:500:39:53

Well, I just tried again yesterday to try and buy that jumpsuit

0:39:530:39:58

and I'm going to have to phone them up or pop in a store to do that.

0:39:580:40:02

Georgina thinks retailers should prioritise what information

0:40:020:40:06

they put on the site's front page

0:40:060:40:08

and better anticipate the steps that someone visually impaired

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needs to take to make a purchase.

0:40:120:40:15

And when we put her comments to the retailers

0:40:150:40:17

whose sites she had difficulty navigating

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they were all very keen to put that right.

0:40:200:40:22

Indeed, since we filmed with her,

0:40:230:40:25

Georgina has met up with the team from Next to explain first-hand

0:40:250:40:29

the issues that visually impaired website users can face.

0:40:290:40:33

The store told us that the meeting was hugely positive

0:40:330:40:35

and it plans to work with Georgina on these issues going forward.

0:40:350:40:40

Meanwhile, Amazon advised that customers using assisted technology

0:40:400:40:44

may find it more convenient to use its mobile site,

0:40:440:40:47

easily accessed by adding "/mobile" to the end of its usual web address.

0:40:470:40:54

And John Lewis told us it already works with specialist companies

0:40:540:40:58

to check and improve the accessibility of its website

0:40:580:41:01

but it's always looking to improve further

0:41:010:41:04

and has taken Georgina's feedback on board.

0:41:040:41:07

And Boohoo.com, the site Nia had trouble with,

0:41:070:41:10

said it takes such feedback seriously

0:41:100:41:12

and is constantly looking at ways to improve and develop.

0:41:120:41:17

But Georgina feels that all online retailers

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should keep visually impaired users in mind from the outset

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so that, in line with the law, their sites are accessible to everyone.

0:41:240:41:29

We certainly don't have the same choice as the sighted world

0:41:290:41:34

so it's like trying to walk up an escalator the wrong way.

0:41:340:41:38

That's just what it feels like, online shopping, most of the time.

0:41:380:41:41

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0:41:530:41:56

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0:42:010:42:04

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0:42:060:42:10

Well, I must say I find it totally astonishing that in a world

0:42:210:42:24

where customer service is so important

0:42:240:42:27

that companies still don't always make it easy for us

0:42:270:42:29

to get the best deal,

0:42:290:42:31

even when we're sure that they're the people we want to shop with

0:42:310:42:34

because even if it's us who lose out in the short term,

0:42:340:42:36

it's no good for them if we take our business elsewhere.

0:42:360:42:39

Absolutely. And you know I found it incredible

0:42:390:42:42

that some of those online shops were just so hard to navigate

0:42:420:42:46

but with sight loss affecting so many people,

0:42:460:42:49

it can only be a matter of time before retailers realise

0:42:490:42:52

that potentially they are losing the custom of a huge number of people.

0:42:520:42:56

And of course, what we hope is that today's film

0:42:560:42:58

might help a little bit on that front too.

0:42:580:43:01

Well, if you come across a company that seems better

0:43:010:43:04

at making things complicated for you

0:43:040:43:06

rather than trying to keep your custom

0:43:060:43:08

then please do tell us about them.

0:43:080:43:10

If it wasn't for your stories and experience

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we wouldn't be here, so keep them coming.

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But that's where we have to leave you for today.

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Thank you very much for joining us and until next time, from all of us,

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-goodbye.

-Goodbye.

-Bye-bye.

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