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We asked you to tell us what's left you feeling ripped off | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
and you contacted us in your thousands. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
You've told us about the companies you think get it wrong | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
and the customer service that's simply not up to scratch. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
And you have to call them, it takes ages | 0:00:12 | 0:00:13 | |
and someone else answers the phone | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
who pretty much doesn't know what you're saying. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
The customer is not benefiting | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
and, no, I'm not getting value for money. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
You asked us to track down the scammers who stole your money | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
and investigate the extra charges you say are unfair. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
They don't deserve to be any form of business whatsoever | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
and they just want shutting down. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
And when you've lost out but nobody else is to blame, | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
you've come to us to stop others falling into the same trap. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
They took the money out of my account | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
and I don't even know who it was that was scamming me. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
So whether it's a blatant rip off or a genuine mistake, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
we're here to find out why you're out of pocket | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
and what you can do about it. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
Your stories, your money. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
This is Rip Off Britain. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
Hello and welcome to Rip Off Britain, | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
where today we've set our sights on companies that, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
for one reason or another, | 0:01:02 | 0:01:03 | |
don't always make it easy to do business with them. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
In one of the situations coming up, | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
some of you have told us that it has proved almost impossible. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:12 | |
And, as you'll see, there's a particular explanation for that | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
and it's an area where a whole host of big names | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
fall surprisingly short. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
But we'll also be getting to the bottom of other circumstances, | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
where familiar stores don't make things as simple as they could, | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
or even as sometimes they promise. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
All of which can stretch not just your patience, | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
but also your loyalty to the limit. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
So as we investigate more of the stories you've asked us to look into | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
on your behalf, we'll be seeing how many of the companies | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
we're looking at really do appreciate that making things simple | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
for the customer might ultimately benefit them too. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
Coming up... | 0:01:49 | 0:01:50 | |
The big-name stores with the price-match promise, | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
but will they always keep to it? | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
It seems a bit to me like nit-picking. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
Not in the spirit of the whole scheme. | 0:01:57 | 0:01:59 | |
And an extra charge when your pet gets sick | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
if you go to a vet that ISN'T on your insurer's list. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
To penalise the policyholder by a further £200 extra excess, | 0:02:06 | 0:02:12 | |
that's just not acceptable. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:14 | |
Now, walk down any high street and you'll find stores | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
not simply bragging that their prices are better than their rivals, | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
but promising that if they turn out not to be the cheapest, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
they'll match the price elsewhere so that you're not left out of pocket. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
It's the long established business tactic, | 0:02:29 | 0:02:31 | |
designed to keep us from shopping around. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
But you may find that holding a retailer to its word | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
proves more complicated than you might expect | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
and that price-match promise comes with some very specific conditions. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:44 | |
The high street is a cut-throat place, | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
one where the stores will go at great lengths to win | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
and keep our business and there's no better way to keep us coming back | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
than by promising that they won't be beaten on price. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
To save you time, we price check your branded shop at Asda, | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
Morrisons and Sainsbury's when you buy ten or more different products. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
Whether they call it a price promise, | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
a low price guarantee or any number of those other seductive names, | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
retailers just love to tell us that if you can find the same product | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
for a cheaper price somewhere else, they'll match it. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
But you've been telling us that things are not always | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
quite as simple as they might first appear. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
So I've recruited marketing expert Phil Adcock to see if some stores | 0:03:27 | 0:03:31 | |
are playing Pinocchio with their price-match promise, | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
or if they really do stack up. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
-Hi, nice to meet you again. -Nice to see you again. I know... | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
'And firstly we want to know what shoppers think they'll get | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
'when they hear that price-match pledge.' | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
-If you see a store that's got a price promise... -Yes. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
..what do you think that means? | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
Well, it should mean that they'll match the lowest price | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
that you come up with. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
If they can't match it then you either get money back... | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
And have you often challenged that? | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
-No. -I've never thought about doing it. -No? | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
-Do you just trust the shop's going to match it and that's it? -Yeah. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
Well, it certainly sounds like we've bought into what they tell us. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
But scratch the surface and Philip says price promises | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
don't always work quite the way you might expect. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
As shoppers, we are much more likely to end our search for products | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
when we get to a store that's got a price-match scheme. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
So it's in the interest to do it. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:18 | |
They get our trust and what they don't want more than anything | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
is for us to leave and buy it somewhere else. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
So if they can make us stay in their store | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
and promise the price is all right here | 0:04:26 | 0:04:27 | |
and even if it's wrong, we'll give you the money back, | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
let's have the money off of you, Mr Shopper, Mrs Shopper. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
But they're not giving you the lowest price, | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
they're matching somebody else's price. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
Perhaps the best-known price promise on the high street is at John Lewis. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
The store introduced its | 0:04:41 | 0:04:42 | |
"never knowingly undersold" motto back in 1925 | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
and it's been one of the company's cornerstone values ever since. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
But Malcolm Radley, from Essex, e-mailed us, | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
frustrated that if you do find the same product | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
you've bought sold elsewhere for less, | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
never knowingly undersold may not be the slam dunk money back guarantee | 0:04:57 | 0:05:01 | |
that you might have assumed. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
"Having researched the television I wanted on the internet, | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
"I found that it was cheaper with a company called Appliances Direct." | 0:05:06 | 0:05:11 | |
So Malcolm sent details of that company's price guarantees | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
and delivery arrangements to John Lewis, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
hoping they would refund the difference. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
"I then received an e-mail stating that | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
" 'Appliances Direct did not meet the price match criteria because, | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
" 'although they did free delivery, | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
" 'if by chance you fail to be in to take delivery, | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
" 'there would be a re-delivery charge.' " | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
So although the TV itself was cheaper elsewhere, | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
John Lewis wouldn't match the lower price | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
because whilst the goods were a like for like match, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
the service the company offered wasn't. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
It seems to me a bit like nit-picking. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
Not in the spirit of the whole scheme. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
Unfortunately for Malcolm, | 0:05:51 | 0:05:52 | |
John Lewis's terms and conditions are very clear. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
The lower price has to be with a company | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
offering exactly the same service as well as price. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
So in this case, the price match didn't apply. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
So I've pulled this bit up actually. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
It's headed, comparing service conditions. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
It says, "This means we compare how we sell the product with | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
"to how it's sold by the competitor. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
"We particularly look at stock availability, | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
"delivery charges and fittings/installation services." | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
It's not really right. I mean, if they're talking about the delivery | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
and the re-delivery if you're out, it's getting very tenuous. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:29 | |
Can you imagine somebody trying to explain that? | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
A shop worker trying to explain that, "Yes, you can buy it | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
"and here's our scheme but if you are out when we deliver it, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
"and they're in, so it doesn't count..." | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
Very tenuous. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
Well, Philip may think that but in fact | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
John Lewis is by no means the only store to have various exclusions | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
applying to its price promise. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
Currys only match the prices of five other big retailers, | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
a cheaper price anywhere else simply won't count. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
Mothercare limits the deals to individual prices, | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
rather than multipacks. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
And Maplin doesn't match its prices with those at online-only stories. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
And while, of course, there's nothing wrong with any of that, | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
if the offer of a price match was what secured your business | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
in the first place and stopped you looking around | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
for a better deal elsewhere, you might end up feeling a bit miffed. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
And one final point, all these products, | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
these price promises, look, "We compare that with that." | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
In truth, most products aren't comparable. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
-Why? -Look very carefully at the model number. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
You can have the 123X model of television | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
and the 123XB model of a television. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
No visible difference but that means those two aren't the same. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
Another thing they tend to do is bundle products | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
so it's impossible. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:42 | |
"So we'll give you free washing powder with the washing machine." | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
Suddenly it's incomparable with the washing machine | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
without washing powder. As soon as they make it incomparable, | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
it doesn't fit into any price promise. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
Dean Dunham is chief executive of the government authorised | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
Retail Ombudsman and although he regularly sees complaints | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
about price promise deals, | 0:08:01 | 0:08:02 | |
more often than not he puts them down to customers misunderstanding | 0:08:02 | 0:08:06 | |
exactly how the deal works. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
Those complaints are usually where the retailer has said, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
"Very sorry, in these circumstances we can't price match." | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
And what that means is the consumer hasn't read the exclusions | 0:08:15 | 0:08:19 | |
in the terms and conditions. The million-dollar question is, | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
is it misleading when you put something | 0:08:22 | 0:08:23 | |
in the terms and conditions which basically excludes a price match? | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
And the answer to that is generally no. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
And unfortunately for Malcolm, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:31 | |
Dean doesn't think that John Lewis is being unfair | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
with the restrictions to its scheme. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
To be fair to John Lewis, | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
they have to price match on a like-for-like basis. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
They are clear about this. We've looked at it closely. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
Therefore what Malcolm has suffered with is that he has expected them | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
to price match against any other retailer. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
The reality is that's not possible. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
But when we got in touch with John Lewis, | 0:08:55 | 0:08:56 | |
the retailer was a little more flexible. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
It said that "although a case like Malcolm's wouldn't technically | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
"be covered under the terms and conditions | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
"of its Never Knowingly Undersold policy, | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
"it would normally grant such a request as a gesture of goodwill." | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
That's because the store allows staff to... | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
So the store told us it contacted Malcolm to say that it will be... | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
But, of course, there can be price match schemes where | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
the details either aren't so clear or perhaps genuinely are unfair. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
At the Retail Ombudsman we really receive two types of complaints | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
in relation to price match. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:41 | |
The first type is where the retailer has explained themselves properly | 0:09:41 | 0:09:45 | |
but the consumer hasn't taken notice of it. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
In those cases the retailer will be right. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
The other type is where the retailer simply has not explained | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
in clear enough terms what's included and what's not. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
Now, in those cases we will go back to the retailer | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
and explain that you have actually misled the consumer | 0:10:01 | 0:10:05 | |
and therefore you must do something about that. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
Most retailers generally do honour their price match, | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
provided, that is, that your claim meets all the terms and conditions. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
But as far as Phil Adcock's concerned, | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
the real winners of the price promise guarantees | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
tend not to be the customers but the shops themselves. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
The original reason for these things was to encourage competition. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
But what we find now is instead of driving down prices, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
all the retailers do is match somebody else's price | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
most of the time. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:35 | |
So what they're actually doing is keeping prices slightly higher | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
cos nobody will come in and beat somebody else's price, | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
they only have to match it. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:42 | |
If you're an animal lover, as I am, then you'll know, as I do, | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
looking after a pet can be a pricey business, | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
especially if they need regular or long-term health care, | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
a diabetic cat in my case. | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
Of course, almost every owner would say they'd pay almost anything | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
to keep their animals happy and healthy. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
But we've been hearing a lot from people querying the cost | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
of their pet insurance and wondering if the odds aren't rather stacked | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
in favour of the insurer. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
And when you hear about a change that could affect a substantial | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
number of pet insurance policies in the UK, you might tend to agree. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
Meet Harry and Sophie. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
Come here, Soph. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
They're a breed of dog called bichon frise | 0:11:26 | 0:11:28 | |
and they're the pride and joy of Tony and Carla Dearsley | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
from Northampton. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
Sophie and Harry are part of our family. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
It's Carla, Tony, Sophie and Harry. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
They're just part of the family unit. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
When Harry and Sophie were puppies, | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
Carla and Tony took out pet insurance with More Than | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
and for most of the dogs' lives | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
they haven't needed to claim on the policy. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:51 | |
But in September last year, | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
Harry started showing some worrying symptoms. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
So we took into the local vets to get him checked out. | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
And they took blood tests, | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
took urine samples and he was diagnosed as being diabetic. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:08 | |
Come on, Harry. Come on. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
Harry's diabetes, just like the human version, | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
was kept in check with daily insulin injections | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
and his health seemed to be improving. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
But less than two months later, he took a turn for the worse. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:23 | |
Carla and I noticed his eyes were totally opaque | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
and it was clear that he couldn't see, | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
he was walking into the walls around the house. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:30 | |
He couldn't see where curbs were. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
He was obviously distressed. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
Harry's diabetes had caused him to develop cataracts | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
and they were so serious that the vet immediately referred him | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
to a different practice for specialist treatment. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
The specialists were so concerned about the swelling | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
in one of Harry's eyes | 0:12:48 | 0:12:49 | |
that they feared he may have to lose his eye... | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
so they wanted to operate on him the following day. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
Tony and Carla told the specialist to do whatever was necessary | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
to save Harry's sight. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
After a nerve-racking wait came welcome news. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
When they telephoned | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
and told us that the operation had been a success, | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
the relief was unbelievable. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
But the whole procedure had cost almost £6,000 | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
so Tony put a claim through on his More Than insurance policy. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
I felt quite reassured I was with More Than. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
And to be fair, they paid up, no problem. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
But the family's relief was short lived | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
because it wasn't long before Sophie started showing symptoms | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
of the same illness. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
We got worried and immediately thought, "Is this diabetes?" | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
The local vet confirmed that was the case and worse still, | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
Sophie's eyes soon began to show signs of cataracts, | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
just like Harry's. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
So Sophie was referred to the same specialist that had treated Harry | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
and sure enough, she too needed surgery at a cost of £4,600. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:02 | |
It brought back lots of memories about the stress, the worry, | 0:14:04 | 0:14:09 | |
the anguish of when Harry... | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
had to go in and have his cataracts dealt with. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
But we felt reassured that we were with an insurance company | 0:14:15 | 0:14:20 | |
that would back us up by paying for the treatment. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
But this time, More Than wasn't so ready to cover all the costs | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
because, since Harry's treatment, Royal Sun Alliance, | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
which owns More Than had made a crucial change | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
to most of the pet insurance policies it underwrites. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
The cost of referrals would only now be covered if it was to | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
one of the specialists on a new list of preferred suppliers. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
And the centre that treated Sophie wasn't on the preferred list. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
In fact, at the time there were just 29 practices on it | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
across the whole UK. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
Under the new rules any customer claiming for specialist treatment | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
at a practice not on the list would be charged an extra excess of £200. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:06 | |
Tony accepts he had been made aware of the new clause months earlier | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
but it had completely slipped his mind | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
and his natural reaction to Sophie's diagnosis was | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
to get her treated at the same centre that had saved Harry's sight, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:19 | |
a centre trusted by the vet who's cared for both dogs all their lives. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:24 | |
We spend a lot of time building up a relationship with our clients. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
They trust us to recommend the best for their pets | 0:15:29 | 0:15:33 | |
and when we recommend a referral centre, | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
they trust that we're recommending that because that is really | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
the best place to go. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:39 | |
I can understand the insurance companies are getting worried | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
because costs are rising | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
but there's no need to penalise certain patients. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
The extra £200 charge isn't applied to emergency treatments | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
but is added to every other kind of referral | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
and it doesn't just affect More Than policies | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
but others also underwritten by Royal Sun Alliance, | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
including Tesco pet insurance. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
It shouldn't be for the insurance company to dictate to the pet owner | 0:16:06 | 0:16:13 | |
over the professional opinion of the pet owner's local vet | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
but then to penalise the policyholder | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
by a further £200 extra excess, that's just not acceptable. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:27 | |
The £200 charge only applies once per condition | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
so Sophie can continue to be treated for her cataracts at the centre | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
that saved her sight without Tony and Carla having to pay more. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:39 | |
And because Harry started his treatment there | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
before the clause was introduced, | 0:16:41 | 0:16:43 | |
the new charge won't apply to him either. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
But, as both dogs get older, | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
Tony fears they may need specialist treatment for further conditions | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
and he can't see why he should have to pay extra | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
to get that from a place he trusts. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
I feel trapped now because I've now got two diabetic dogs, | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
two dogs that have got cataracts, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
two dogs that need ongoing treatment, | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
so I have to accept really | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
whatever policy increases More Than decide to apply, | 0:17:10 | 0:17:15 | |
or I have to think, "OK, I'll fund the treatment myself." | 0:17:15 | 0:17:20 | |
Some of the other policies underwritten by Royal Sun Alliance | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
including pet insurance offered by Marks & Spencer | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
haven't yet brought in this extra charge | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
but all policies sold by More Than, Argos and Tesco Bank | 0:17:31 | 0:17:36 | |
will introduce it either when a new policy is taken out | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
or an existing one is renewed, | 0:17:40 | 0:17:41 | |
and there are plenty of vets up in arms about that. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
So, Dick, tell me why your organisation is so upset about this? | 0:17:46 | 0:17:51 | |
Well, I represent a group of specialist referral clinics | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
who have decided not to cooperate with the preferred providers scheme. | 0:17:55 | 0:18:00 | |
We believe profoundly that it limits the options for animal owners | 0:18:00 | 0:18:06 | |
and for their vets. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:07 | |
What do you think the financial argument behind this is? | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
Well, I think only RSA can answer that | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
but certainly when we had negotiations with RSA, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
their opening demand was | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
that we would reduce our fees to them by 10%. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:23 | |
So I think it's not really about customer care, | 0:18:23 | 0:18:28 | |
it's about RSA wanting to drive down costs | 0:18:28 | 0:18:32 | |
in a situation where they perceive to be inflation above average. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:37 | |
So what's happening to pet owners now? | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
How are they being affected at this very moment? | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
I think there's a great deal of confusion | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
and upset amongst pet owners. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
Those who haven't been directly affected are certainly confused | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
and are calling us pretty regularly. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
Those owners who do have a sick pet are faced at times of | 0:18:53 | 0:18:58 | |
a great deal of stress and upset in the middle of the night | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
not knowing what to do and not being clear where they should go. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
I think the advice is they should listen to their GP vet, | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
make that decision with them and go to the referral clinic | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
that they think is best between them. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
It's perhaps not surprising that specialists who aren't on the list | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
might be opposed to it, | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
after all it could take away some of their business. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
But while those vets say that the preferred network limits choice | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
for pet owners, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:27 | |
Royal Sun Alliance itself insists it gives them better value for money | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
and ultimately keeps premiums down. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
It's not an attempt to interfere with the clinical decisions of vets, | 0:19:35 | 0:19:40 | |
it's an attempt to control the cost, | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
to make the product more affordable and sustainable for the future. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:47 | |
If you take, say, an MRI scan, | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
this is probably a good example, | 0:19:50 | 0:19:52 | |
the veterinary industry charge anywhere between £500 and £1,500 | 0:19:52 | 0:19:57 | |
for the same MRI scan. | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
Now, we're saying that we have to control that cost. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
An MRI scan is an MRI scan. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
We're saying that there's got to be a standard rate for that. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
RSA has added a further 25 practices to its preferred referral network | 0:20:09 | 0:20:14 | |
and says that 77% of customers are now within an hour's drive | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
of a referral practice. What's more, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
the company insists that anyone who ends up being charged that £200 | 0:20:21 | 0:20:26 | |
can appeal the decision. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
And it says there are all sorts of situations | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
where you might not need to pay. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:31 | |
For example, if you live more than 60 miles away from a practice | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
on the list or a pet needs treatment its specialists can't provide. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
If there are exceptional circumstances | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
then we'll reimburse the £200 | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
and I believe that in several cases that's already happened. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:51 | |
We've only charged the £200 on four or five occasions. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
You know, we have 460,000 bills from vets in a year | 0:20:55 | 0:21:00 | |
so it's absolutely minimal | 0:21:00 | 0:21:02 | |
what we've actually charged people to do that | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
whilst we get the network established. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
Indeed, Tony and Carla are among the customers | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
whose £200 has been refunded | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
because Sophie's cataracts were a result of her diabetes | 0:21:14 | 0:21:18 | |
and the change in policy came just after treatment for that had begun. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
RSA say if the couple had called them to discuss it, | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
the charge would never have been applied | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
so it urges all customers to pick up the phone | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
before starting treatment. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:32 | |
We want the telephone call to discuss the treatment | 0:21:33 | 0:21:37 | |
either from your local vet or from you. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
By that, we can give you a decision there and then | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
if we're going to waive the £200. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
There is now one of RSA's preferred referral practices | 0:21:47 | 0:21:51 | |
less than 20 minutes away from Tony and Carla's house | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
but the couple aren't so easily persuaded. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
As far as they're concerned, the only factor that should determine | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
where their precious pets get treatment | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
is where they'll get the best care. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
Harry and Sophie are always there. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
We've got a great relationship. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:10 | |
And I'm not going to let them down. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
I'll fight for them but I'll also fight for all the other pet owners. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
Still to come on Rip Off Britain - | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
why some of Britain's best-known online retailers | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
are impossible to use for the hundreds and thousands of people | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
who have problems with their sight. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
We certainly don't have the same choice as the sighted world. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
It's like trying to walk up an escalator the wrong way. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
That's just what it feels like, online shopping, most of the time. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
One of the biggest shopping centres in Europe was this year's venue | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
for the annual Rip Off Britain pop-up shop. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
It's our chance to meet as many of you as we possibly can | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
and it was great to hear how much you appreciate | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
all the advice on the show. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
I think the programme educates you | 0:23:04 | 0:23:05 | |
and you're a little bit more aware of potentially being ripped off. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
It's absolutely brilliant. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
We really do have a fantastic team of experts with us | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
in our pop-up shop this year. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
We've got Trading Standards, we've got financial experts, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
we've got legal experts and citizen's advice. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
And they're all really keen to be able to give on-the-spot advice to | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
any of the people that come into our pop-up shop | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
and hopefully be able to sort out their problems, | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
but just as importantly, the advice and tips that they're passing on | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
will ensure that you at home don't get caught out. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:38 | |
Of course, sometimes you don't need any specific advice. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
You just want to get a few things off your chest. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:43 | |
And that's where our Gripe Corner comes in. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
Right. What winds you up? | 0:23:46 | 0:23:48 | |
And for those who didn't fancy going it alone on camera, | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
we got two complaints for the price of one with these dynamic duos. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:55 | |
Our rip-off is going to a Premier League football store. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
The kids jersey was £65. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
-How much was it online? -£16. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
I feel like I've been ripped off. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
I bought some points for an online game which I never received. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
They just told us after two days it's nowt to do with us any more | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
so you lose your money. And we think it's an absolute rip-off. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
What winds me up mostly is nuisance phone calls. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:19 | |
Please just leave us alone. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:24:21 | 0:24:22 | |
It really winds me up above all other things. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
The cost of cinema tickets. These days it's like a £50 day | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
so it'd be nice if they were a little bit cheaper | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
to accommodate families like us. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
Over in our shop, husband and wife Wilf and Sheila were booking in | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
for their appointment. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
They had a problem with their car | 0:24:40 | 0:24:41 | |
so Trading Standards officer Sylvia Rook | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
and Martin James from the Financial Ombudsman Service | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
met them outside in the shopping centre car park | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
with the vehicle in question. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
Do you want to tell us what it's all about? | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
We purchased the car second-hand from a garage | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
what was quite a distance away from where we came from. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
When we were there, they asked us if we wanted to have | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
an extended warranty on it. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:03 | |
So, at first I declined the offer | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
but then they took Wilf outside to look at something else | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
and persuaded him that it was a good idea. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
And when the salesman and Wilf returned to the sales office | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
they convinced Sheila as well. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
The first leaflet they gave us, they showed us all the things | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
what could go wrong on the car | 0:25:19 | 0:25:21 | |
and it did seem like a fairly good cover. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
They said we'd have trouble-free motoring for 12 months. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
We said, "No, go on, we'll have it." | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
-How much did the warranty cost you? -It cost us over £300. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:33 | |
But the couple felt it was money well spent to get peace of mind, | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
along with their second-hand car. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
And when the vehicle developed a fault six months in, | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
they thought, "Well, this is exactly what the policy's there for." | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
The water pump went on the car so we phoned | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
and they said it was due to wear and tear | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
so they wouldn't do nothing about it. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
They just wouldn't pay out | 0:25:51 | 0:25:52 | |
so we had to pay for the water pump ourselves, | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
even though we'd purchased the warranty thinking that we would have | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
trouble-free motoring for 12 months, which we never got. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
After paying £380 to get their water pump fixed, | 0:26:00 | 0:26:04 | |
the couple were left wondering what was the point of the warranty | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
in the first place. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
And that's the question Sylvia has seen customers struggle with a lot. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:13 | |
There is no statutory definition of what's wear and tear | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
and it does make things very difficult for you. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
My personal view is that actually warranties generally | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
are not usually worth the amount you pay for them | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
because you have statutory rights anyway when you buy anything, | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
including a car. Ultimately what you do, | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
you would have to decide whether you want to try and pursue this matter | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
through the Small Claims Court | 0:26:33 | 0:26:34 | |
and try and sue them for the repair costs. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
Absolutely. Now, first things first though, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
I think the most important thing to do is to see | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
if we can find a free option. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
The Financial Ombudsman Service oversees | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
a range of financial products, | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
including some policies like Sheila and Wilf's. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
So if theirs is one that the organisation covers, | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
Martin thinks they may have a case and he's happy to check it all out. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
So we'll get onto the company for you. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
It looks like it is promising quite a bit in the booklet | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
so let's see what's going on behind that. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
Totally understand where you're coming from. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:05 | |
Doesn't feel like a long time and it seems a little bit unfair | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
when you see wear and tear there. But let's see what we can do. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
-JULIA: -So plenty to hope for? | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
-OK, thank you. -Right, thank you. -Thank you. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
And those seeds of hope did bear fruit. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
Martin's team at the Financial Ombudsman Service | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
got in touch with the warranty company on the couple's behalf. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
And when they did, the company reviewed the case | 0:27:22 | 0:27:24 | |
and decided to pay out after all, | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
handing over the full £380 for the new water pump. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
I think you'll agree, a great result | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
and exactly what Sheila and Wilf were hoping for. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
As well as the pop-up shop itself, | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
we've been out and about here in the shopping centre | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
giving you all sorts of advice and information | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
on a whole range of consumer topics. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
With the help of solicitor Gary Rycroft, | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
we wanted to sort out fact from fiction | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
and dispel some very common misconceptions | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
about the way the law treats certain situations closer to home. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
We've got some questions that we're asking people about relationships. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
-Lots of legal myths out there... -Right? | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
..so we're going to do a bit of myth busting. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
-What do you reckon? -True. -Yes. -True? -They can be overwritten in court. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
-True. -Yes, true. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:19 | |
You're absolutely right. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:21 | |
The English courts have now started to look at prenups | 0:28:21 | 0:28:25 | |
and they are taken into account sometimes | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
but they're not strictly speaking legally binding. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
OK, now, this one. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
-Do you think that's true or false? -I'd say true. -False. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
-True. -We've got a mixture of opinions. -False. -False. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
-True. -True. -False. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
It is fiction. Tell them what the legal situation is. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
Well, if you actually lose capacity | 0:28:49 | 0:28:51 | |
you no longer have the capacity to make a lasting power of attorney | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
so it really is something that we should, all of us, young or old, | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
-think about doing now because... -We've got one. -Have you done it? | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
-Brilliant, you've got one. -Yeah. -That's great. -Oh, well done. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
OK, last question. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
-If you can prove it. -You think that's true? -Yeah. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:14 | |
-It is fiction. -This really is a legal myth. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
I hear it all the time. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:19 | |
"We've lived together for two years or more. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:21 | |
"Three or four years. We're common-law husband and wife." | 0:29:21 | 0:29:23 | |
In law there is no such thing as a common-law husband and wife, | 0:29:23 | 0:29:27 | |
it is a complete fiction. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:29 | |
-Are you married? -Yes. -You're safe. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
-Thank you all very much indeed. Good sports. -Thank you. -Thank you. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
Bye. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:38 | |
As technology marches on and we're encouraged to do more and more | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
of the things online that we used to do in person | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
we often hear from people here at the programme | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
who feel frustrated or left behind. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:53 | |
And while for some that might be because | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
they just don't have the equipment or indeed the knowledge | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
to log on at home, | 0:29:58 | 0:29:59 | |
there are hundreds and thousands of others who would like nothing more | 0:29:59 | 0:30:03 | |
than to be able to take advantage of the latest website offers, | 0:30:03 | 0:30:07 | |
if only the companies behind those deals | 0:30:07 | 0:30:09 | |
would make their site easier to use and indeed to navigate. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
Because for the almost two million people in the UK with sight loss, | 0:30:13 | 0:30:18 | |
shopping online can sometimes be a whole lot more difficult | 0:30:18 | 0:30:22 | |
than it ought to be, | 0:30:22 | 0:30:23 | |
even on quite a few of the biggest websites in the retail business, | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
where it can be impossible for some people to do any shopping at all. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:31 | |
Three quarters of us now use the internet to buy goods | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
or services and for most of us, | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
the more familiar websites typically look like this. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
But for many of the two million Brits who are blind | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
or partially sighted, | 0:30:45 | 0:30:46 | |
those same sites will more likely look something like this, | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
which can make shopping there virtually impossible. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
I've come to the Galloway's Society for the Blind in Preston | 0:30:55 | 0:30:59 | |
to meet Nia Williams. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
Her vision is impaired and she often feels excluded from deals on sites | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
that, for her, simply aren't accessible. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
I think sometimes it can mean you're missing them bargains, really. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:13 | |
It is a shame because it means that you are missing out. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
Like many people, when Nia goes online, | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
she relies on the assisted software | 0:31:20 | 0:31:22 | |
that's now a standard feature of almost all computers, | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
phones and tablets, | 0:31:25 | 0:31:27 | |
which magnifies and reads out everything on-screen. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
Technology has really moved on | 0:31:30 | 0:31:32 | |
and this assisted technology is already in-built into the devices, | 0:31:32 | 0:31:36 | |
which is fantastic. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:37 | |
It was described to me by a service user as a window to their world | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
and I thought that was a lovely way of putting it because it meant that | 0:31:41 | 0:31:43 | |
they could interact socially, | 0:31:43 | 0:31:46 | |
shop online and live an independent life, | 0:31:46 | 0:31:48 | |
which is the way it should be. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
But that software can only do its job on websites and apps | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
that are designed to be compatible and some of them aren't. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:59 | |
Take this one from online clothes retailer Boohoo. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:03 | |
Though the software on Nia's tablet does its best to read out | 0:32:03 | 0:32:07 | |
what it sees... | 0:32:07 | 0:32:08 | |
-TABLET: -'Home underscore banner. Home underscore banner.' | 0:32:08 | 0:32:12 | |
You can hear it's getting rather confused | 0:32:12 | 0:32:14 | |
and that's because the retailer hasn't included any text description | 0:32:14 | 0:32:18 | |
of the clothes that are being shown. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
It doesn't say what it is. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
'So it can't offer up any explanation | 0:32:23 | 0:32:24 | |
'for what's being displayed.' | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
'Home underscore banner.' | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
So it's not really describing what's on the screen at all, is it? | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
Which makes it really problematic | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
because you don't know what's on in front of you. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:36 | |
Nia gave me a taste of what it's like | 0:32:36 | 0:32:38 | |
for people with visual impairment to navigate the internet, | 0:32:38 | 0:32:42 | |
using a pair of special classes that mimic an age-related sight problem | 0:32:42 | 0:32:46 | |
that affects over 600,000 people in the United Kingdom. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:49 | |
-That there is age-related macular degeneration. -OK. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:54 | |
Ooh, gosh. Well, it's like looking through | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
-a very, very thick piece of black gauze. -Yeah. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
I can make out shapes | 0:33:00 | 0:33:02 | |
and I've got a little bit of peripheral vision here. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:06 | |
-With macular, it does affect your central vision... -Yeah. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
..so it creates distortions. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
Let's just see what happens with this. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
If I wanted to look at this at your iPad, even with the zoom, | 0:33:14 | 0:33:19 | |
-it is still incredibly difficult. -Yeah. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
Some websites are designed to allow good access to all users | 0:33:23 | 0:33:27 | |
but an astonishing 70% of those looked at since 2008 | 0:33:27 | 0:33:31 | |
by the Business Disability Forum have had significant access issues, | 0:33:31 | 0:33:37 | |
which is a huge problem for people like Georgina Joyce. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
Georgina, tell me exactly what your visual impairment is. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
I have a genetic version of retinitis pigmentosa, | 0:33:46 | 0:33:50 | |
which means that over the years my sight has rapidly deteriorated. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:55 | |
How much vision do you actually have? | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
I have just about enough when I wake up in the morning and I think, | 0:33:58 | 0:34:02 | |
"Oh, is it morning?" and I can see if light is streaming | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
through the window but that's about as much use as my sight has. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
Georgina doesn't let her vision restrict her use of the internet | 0:34:09 | 0:34:14 | |
but that can often mean searching high and low for sites | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
that have been built with accessibility in mind. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
So what are the things that you look for that make a site really good | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
-and work for you? -Good text... | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
explanation that describes what that image is of | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
and whatever the vital bit of information is. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
And all of that is especially important for online shops. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
We're on a Marks & Spencer's site here. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
Black dress. Just hit enter and just see what it comes up with. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:46 | |
As long as the retailer includes on its site descriptions of the images | 0:34:46 | 0:34:50 | |
that are shown there, | 0:34:50 | 0:34:51 | |
the software built into Georgina's computer will be able to read | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
that information out when she navigates the picture. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
See what the quick-look link offers. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
-COMPUTER: -'M&S Collection belted trench shirt dress. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
'Current price. Available in two colours.' | 0:35:03 | 0:35:05 | |
But not all retailers design their sites in a way that makes it easy | 0:35:07 | 0:35:11 | |
for Georgina to find the details that she needs to make a purchase, | 0:35:11 | 0:35:15 | |
including, much to her frustration, | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
the one belonging to big-name clothing store Next. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
What about the Next site? | 0:35:20 | 0:35:22 | |
Because that was one that gave you particular problems, wasn't it? | 0:35:22 | 0:35:24 | |
It was. I saw this black jumpsuit and I thought, "Fantastic." | 0:35:24 | 0:35:29 | |
-I can see it on the screen. It looks terrific. -Does it? -Yeah! | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
-A reasonable price as well. I learned that it's £60. -Yeah. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
So far, so good. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:37 | |
But when she tries to choose the size that she wants... | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
-'Size.' -That says size so I navigate to the next sort of section... | 0:35:40 | 0:35:45 | |
'A-D-D to bag.' | 0:35:45 | 0:35:47 | |
And it's saying, "A-D-D to bag." | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
Georgina struggles to find the right box to make her selection. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:55 | |
See if I can do a search for choose. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:56 | |
-'Enter search text. Choose.' -COMPUTER BLEEPS | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
No, it's just bleeping so it can't find the word choose | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
so I can't choose my size and Next have lost a customer. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:06 | |
The law says any store whether online or a physical shop | 0:36:06 | 0:36:10 | |
has to be accessible to everyone. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:13 | |
And the technology certainly exists for retailers to make sure | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
that their sites are up to scratch. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:19 | |
-PHONE: -'This image may contain six people. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:21 | |
'Child. Close-up. Like.' | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
Like. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:25 | |
Social media giant Facebook is leading the way | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
in creating sites that are easier to use | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
for those with a visual impairment, | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
using cutting-edge object recognition | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
to automatically provide a description of an image. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:39 | |
He's going to love it. You have no idea. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
This is amazing. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
And Barclays and HSBC have won awards | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
for the accessibility of their websites. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
But when it comes to shopping online, | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
things can still be hit and miss. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
So we invited Georgina to the Rip Off Britain office to put | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
the websites of the five leading online retailers to the test. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:03 | |
Georgina, it's great to see you again. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:05 | |
Between them, Amazon, Tesco, Argos, John Lewis and Next | 0:37:05 | 0:37:10 | |
generate a total of £12 billion of online sales. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:14 | |
That's about a quarter of the UK's total online spend. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:19 | |
But how much have they invested in making their sites accessible? | 0:37:19 | 0:37:23 | |
Well, Georgina's going to put them through their paces, | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
starting with Britain's largest supermarket, Tesco. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:30 | |
Daily amount summary. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:31 | |
-COMPUTER: -'Heading level three. Energy.' | 0:37:31 | 0:37:33 | |
-Energy. -'Heading level three. Fat.' -Fat. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
'Heading level three. Saturates.' | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
'Heading level two, description.' | 0:37:38 | 0:37:40 | |
And then we come to a description. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
'Topped with fresh mashed potato...' | 0:37:43 | 0:37:44 | |
-It does make you feel hungry when... -ANGELA LAUGHS | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
Listening to the description. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:49 | |
So Tesco gets a big thumbs up from Georgina. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:53 | |
It's been years since I looked at the Tesco website and I was amazed. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
It just feels absolutely lovely for a screen reader to use that website. | 0:37:56 | 0:38:02 | |
Next up, John Lewis. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
Last year, one in three of its sales took place online and | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
though Georgina did find elements of its site accessible, | 0:38:08 | 0:38:12 | |
overall it was that familiar problem - | 0:38:12 | 0:38:14 | |
too many pictures and not enough text. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
It's a lot easier for them to put a photograph on. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:21 | |
It just seems everyone's just cutting back on the text content | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
and using pictures to sell the item. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
-And pictures are no good to you. -And pictures are no good to me. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
Let's see how she got on with Britain's biggest online retailer, | 0:38:31 | 0:38:35 | |
Amazon. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:36 | |
I do purchase a lot of things from Amazon | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
but I do find it a frustrating website to actually use. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
-Just imagine I want to purchase this Android tablet. -Yeah. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:47 | |
I do that and I think they scroll banners along the top | 0:38:47 | 0:38:52 | |
and it causes the screen reader to jump down to the bottom of the page | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
so it's about... Sometimes you have to be quite quick to.. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
'Heading level... Heading level two, average... | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
'Heading... Head... Heading level...' | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
-I'm going up the page now. -Yes, you are. -Yeah. -Yeah. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:05 | |
'Show results for... Heading level. Dialogue.' | 0:39:05 | 0:39:07 | |
-Oh, it's gone back down to the bottom again. -Oh, right. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:09 | |
I think I've gone to the description now. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:11 | |
'Size name, nine inch vertical line. Product description.' | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
But, you know, it's a lot of effort to get down to... | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
You've really got to want to buy this product, haven't you, | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
-and stick with it? -To be fair to Amazon, | 0:39:19 | 0:39:21 | |
there's quite a lot of text information about this, | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
you know, about its battery usage and that sort of thing | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
so it's not too bad. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
That leaves just two of the top five online retailers. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
Argos, whose website Georgina did like, | 0:39:33 | 0:39:37 | |
though she found its structure rather confusing, | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
and Next which, of course, she's had trouble with before. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:43 | |
She had another go, | 0:39:43 | 0:39:44 | |
this time trying to buy something from the store's home department. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:48 | |
But she failed again. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:50 | |
And as for the clothes she'd been after when we first met... | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
Well, I just tried again yesterday to try and buy that jumpsuit | 0:39:53 | 0:39:58 | |
and I'm going to have to phone them up or pop in a store to do that. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
Georgina thinks retailers should prioritise what information | 0:40:02 | 0:40:06 | |
they put on the site's front page | 0:40:06 | 0:40:08 | |
and better anticipate the steps that someone visually impaired | 0:40:08 | 0:40:12 | |
needs to take to make a purchase. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
And when we put her comments to the retailers | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
whose sites she had difficulty navigating | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
they were all very keen to put that right. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:22 | |
Indeed, since we filmed with her, | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
Georgina has met up with the team from Next to explain first-hand | 0:40:25 | 0:40:29 | |
the issues that visually impaired website users can face. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:33 | |
The store told us that the meeting was hugely positive | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
and it plans to work with Georgina on these issues going forward. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:40 | |
Meanwhile, Amazon advised that customers using assisted technology | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
may find it more convenient to use its mobile site, | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
easily accessed by adding "/mobile" to the end of its usual web address. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:54 | |
And John Lewis told us it already works with specialist companies | 0:40:54 | 0:40:58 | |
to check and improve the accessibility of its website | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
but it's always looking to improve further | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
and has taken Georgina's feedback on board. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
And Boohoo.com, the site Nia had trouble with, | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
said it takes such feedback seriously | 0:41:10 | 0:41:12 | |
and is constantly looking at ways to improve and develop. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:17 | |
But Georgina feels that all online retailers | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
should keep visually impaired users in mind from the outset | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
so that, in line with the law, their sites are accessible to everyone. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:29 | |
We certainly don't have the same choice as the sighted world | 0:41:29 | 0:41:34 | |
so it's like trying to walk up an escalator the wrong way. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:38 | |
That's just what it feels like, online shopping, most of the time. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
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Well, I must say I find it totally astonishing that in a world | 0:42:21 | 0:42:24 | |
where customer service is so important | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
that companies still don't always make it easy for us | 0:42:27 | 0:42:29 | |
to get the best deal, | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
even when we're sure that they're the people we want to shop with | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
because even if it's us who lose out in the short term, | 0:42:34 | 0:42:36 | |
it's no good for them if we take our business elsewhere. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
Absolutely. And you know I found it incredible | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
that some of those online shops were just so hard to navigate | 0:42:42 | 0:42:46 | |
but with sight loss affecting so many people, | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
it can only be a matter of time before retailers realise | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
that potentially they are losing the custom of a huge number of people. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:56 | |
And of course, what we hope is that today's film | 0:42:56 | 0:42:58 | |
might help a little bit on that front too. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
Well, if you come across a company that seems better | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
at making things complicated for you | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
rather than trying to keep your custom | 0:43:06 | 0:43:08 | |
then please do tell us about them. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:10 | |
If it wasn't for your stories and experience | 0:43:10 | 0:43:12 | |
we wouldn't be here, so keep them coming. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
But that's where we have to leave you for today. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:17 | |
Thank you very much for joining us and until next time, from all of us, | 0:43:17 | 0:43:20 | |
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