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We asked you to tell us what's left you feeling ripped off, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
and you contacted us in your thousands. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
You've told us about the companies you think get it wrong | 0:00:06 | 0:00:10 | |
and the customer service that is simply not up to scratch. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
When you have to call them, it takes ages and somebody else | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
answers the phone who pretty much doesn't know what you're saying. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
The customer is not benefitting and, no, I'm not getting value for money. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:22 | |
You've asked us to track down the scammers who stole your money and | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
investigate the extra charges you say are unfair. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
They don't deserve to be in any form of business whatsoever and they just | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
want shutting down. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
And when you've lost out but nobody else is to blame, | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
you've come to us to stop others falling into the same trap. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
They took the money out of my account and I don't even know who it was that was scamming me. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
So, whether it's a blatant rip-off or a genuine mistake... | 0:00:44 | 0:00:48 | |
we're here to find out why you're out of pocket and what you can do about it. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:52 | |
Your stories, your money. This is Rip-Off Britain. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
Hello and welcome once again to the Rip-Off Britain office where, | 0:00:57 | 0:01:01 | |
I have to say, today, the entire team has turned detective to try and get | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
to the bottom of cases that, when you first told us about them, | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
immediately it sounded very murky indeed, | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
even if it wasn't immediately clear what exactly was going on. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
In fact, our initial instinct was that at the heart of | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
all of these stories was an out and out scam. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
And while that's most definitely true of some of them, with the others, | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
well, things aren't quite that simple. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
And even when it is clear that there's something distinctly dodgy going on, | 0:01:26 | 0:01:30 | |
unpicking exactly what has happened and why | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
has not been that easy, has it? | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
But we love a challenge here on Rip-Off Britain, | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
and some of the people in our stories today have lost a considerable amount of money. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:42 | |
So, as well as solving the mystery of how that happened, | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
we'll be making sure that you've got all the information you need to | 0:01:45 | 0:01:49 | |
avoid losing out in the same way. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
Coming up - phantom postboxes mysteriously stuck to your home with | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
a sinister purpose. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
They were hanging around in the area, | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
waiting for the post to be delivered | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
and were then going to remove the box. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
And the job ads fleecing people desperate for work, | 0:02:05 | 0:02:09 | |
using actors to add a touch of credibility. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
It's kind of embarrassing, you know, to be caught out like this, | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
and you feel kind of stupid, really. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
You know, we've been doing this programme long enough for us to | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
think that there weren't too many types of scam we hadn't heard of before, | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
whether the fraudsters behind them were after your cash, | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
your personal details, or both. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
But a few months ago, we came across something that is completely | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
new and indeed, dare I say it, quite extraordinarily inventive. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
The barefaced cheek of it, I think, is going to take your breath away. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
But when the residents affected | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
first noticed something very odd happening, | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
establishing exactly what was going on | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
raised more questions than answers. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
A quiet, leafy suburb in Chorlton in Greater Manchester. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
But behind these peaceful surroundings lurks a crime spree. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:08 | |
I'm mystified that anyone would think they could attach a postbox to | 0:03:11 | 0:03:17 | |
someone's house and get away with it. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:21 | |
No-one knows how many people have been affected or even how much money | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
may have been lost. In fact, one of the few things that is clear | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
about this most mysterious of scams is that whoever was behind it | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
had been watching the comings and goings on | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
these streets very carefully indeed, | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
in order to use the residents' identities for their own ends. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:41 | |
-Hello. -Good to meet you. Come in. -Thank you. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
Alan Dunn was the first to notice that something was amiss when he | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
happened to be at home one afternoon. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
Alan, could you start by telling me | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
when you realised something was going on? | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
My daughter had been out for lunch and she came back after about an | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
hour, and as she walked up the path, | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
there was somebody stood on the doorstep and she said, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
"Oh, can I help you?" And he said, "Oh, I'm sorry, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
"I think I might be in the wrong place. Uh..." | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
And left quite quickly. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
Alan's suspicions were aroused and he popped outside to take a look, | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
and immediately noticed that a small black letterbox had been stuck to | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
the outside of his house. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
Baffled as to where it had come from and why, | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
Alan prised the letterbox away from the wall and took it inside. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
He soon discovered that the postman had dropped the family's mail for | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
the day inside the new box, rather than, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
as usual, through the letterbox on the front door, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
and amongst that mail was something very odd indeed. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
What sort of letters were they? | 0:04:49 | 0:04:51 | |
It was a letter from the TSB saying | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
I'd opened a new account with them | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
and I had negotiated an overdraft for £1,000. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
Neither Alan nor his partner Linda banks with TSB, | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
and they knew for sure they hadn't opened a new account there. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
Putting two and two together, | 0:05:08 | 0:05:09 | |
they deduced that Alan's identity had most likely been stolen and the | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
crooks behind it had applied to borrow money in his name. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
But of course, they couldn't activate the account or spend the overdraft | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
without the cards, paperwork and PIN number | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
that would all be sent through the post. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
So they'd added their own postbox to make sure they could get | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
their hands on what they needed. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:31 | |
At that moment, we realised that the letterbox had been put up to | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
intercept the mail. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
In that letterbox, we had a confirmation letter and the online | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
PIN number for internet banking, | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
and we imagine that the person that Bethan encountered on the doorstep | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
was probably in the process of retrieving the mail at that moment, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
-so she spooked him. -How did you feel when you realised | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
you'd come very close to being scammed? | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
Well, I was quite relieved in a way that we'd stopped it happening. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
They obviously knew the delivery times for the postman on that day. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
It was a little window of an hour where they stick it up, | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
and the postman was still in the street as they are retrieving it. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
They're following him round, almost, retrieving the mail. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
Realising that, by chance, they'd stopped a crime in its tracks, | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
they called the police. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
The police didn't accept it was a crime at all. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
She was just saying perhaps the box has been put on the wrong house, | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
which is what we thought originally. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
It was only when we rang back the next day and actually kind of | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
insisted, because I thought... | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
I'm not really expecting them to catch the person, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
but I did want it logged in case anybody else rang up, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
so they could see there was a pattern. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
Did you have a word with the postman the next day and ask him about it? | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
I did, but actually it wasn't the same postman, | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
but I explained everything to him, | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
I even showed him the letterbox and said, | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
"Look, this is what was stuck up in our porch," | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
and he took all that information back, and they distributed that | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
round the local postmen so they're aware of it as an issue. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:05 | |
As well as talking to the Post Office, | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
Alan and Linda contacted TSB. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
They immediately put a stop on the account, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
and assured us there was no way the account could be activated. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:22 | |
And though it was good news that the account had been shut down before | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
the fraudsters could rack up any debt in Alan's name, | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
the couple can't be certain that the fraudsters haven't used his details | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
to open other accounts. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
But Linda and Alan weren't the only people that the scammers had in | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
their sights, because guess what? | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
Another box appeared round the corner just a couple of days later. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:47 | |
Retired university professor Harold Somers lives one street away from | 0:07:48 | 0:07:53 | |
Alan and Linda, and he too had initially been confused to find one | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
of the strange and scruffily numbered letterboxes | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
outside his house. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
It was Saturday afternoon and I was on my way out | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
to an important show that we were doing that evening with my band, | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
and as I went out the door, I noticed, stuck to the wall, | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
was this metal postbox that I'd never seen before, | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
and it had a crudely painted house number on it, | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
so my first instinct was that perhaps it had been put there | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
by mistake and delivery people had installed it in the wrong house. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:30 | |
Hoping to find out who the box really belonged to, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
Harold took to his local community's Facebook page, where he learned the | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
same thing had happened to Alan and Linda. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
I was a bit worried that taking it down might damage the wall, | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
because I had assumed it was screwed onto the wall, | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
and I couldn't get inside it to unscrew it. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
And they said, "Oh, just pull it off, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
"get it off under any way possible." | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
Did you contact the police? | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
Yes, I did report it to the police. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
They were more concerned with me reporting it | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
as a potential identity theft. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
They gave me the number of Action Fraud to call. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
And how do you feel about it now? | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
I'm mystified that... | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
anyone would think they could attach a postbox | 0:09:10 | 0:09:15 | |
to someone's house and get away with it without anyone noticing, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
except that, I suppose, and this is the scary bit, | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
what I suppose is that they were hanging around in the area, | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
waiting for the post to be delivered | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
and were then going to remove the box, almost as quickly as they'd | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
attached it, with the stolen mail inside it. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
Harold's been on the lookout for any signs that his identity may have | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
been stolen, but so far nothing has come to light, | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
and no bank cards or PIN numbers have been delivered. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
Imagine if we'd been on holiday. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
They would have had two weeks' worth of post being delivered into this box. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:56 | |
Well, you were lucky, Alan and Linda were lucky, | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
but it could have so easily been more serious. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
Tony Blake is a fraud prevention specialist who says that, | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
though the goings-on in Chorlton are relatively new, | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
they're certainly not isolated. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
The fraudsters may target some particular area | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
because they have customer information from somewhere. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
They may target a particular area | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
because they feel it's more affluent than others. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
The numbers that I'm aware of are very low for this type of crime, | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
but it's something we're definitely keeping an eye on. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
It's an evolution of a crime that, in the past, | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
has targeted blocks of flats | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
which have letterboxes in one communal area. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
There's been student properties where people's identities have been | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
stolen and, again, communal areas where mail is just left around. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
Fraudsters are making applications for products, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
whether it be an account or a loan or something similar, | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
in someone else's name, | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
and they're having the mail sent to the genuine person's address. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
Now, they need to intercept that mail before the genuine customer | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
even sees it. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
The crooks behind this new version of the scam are taking a much | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
riskier approach by targeting suburban streets | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
rather than blocks of flats. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
There is a risk to doing it, but the rewards are potentially high. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
You take out a loan for a few thousand pounds, | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
then the rewards are quite high, | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
so they see it that the risks are worth taking. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
And, of course, by the time Alan and Harold came across those postboxes, | 0:11:26 | 0:11:31 | |
it was clear that at least some of their personal details had already | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
been exploited by the fraudsters. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
So, while it's not clear exactly how that happened, for Tony, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
it's a reminder of how vigilant we all need to be. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
People need to be very, very careful how they put their information | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
out there and protect their own identity. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
Back in Chorlton, it seems the scammers have moved on to pastures new. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:56 | |
But it's worth keeping an eye out in case a mysterious postbox suddenly | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
appears outside your door or on your street, | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
which is what Harold and his neighbours will be doing in future. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
I'm just reassured that it's the kind of good old-fashioned | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
neighbourhood where a lot of people know each other by name so, yes, | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
I think the general awareness has | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
been raised and people are watching out for each other, certainly. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
I think all of us know that applying for a job can be a pretty | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
nerve-racking process at the best of times, | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
and if it's a job that you really want, | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
you are most likely going to put your heart and soul into the application, | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
and, of course, into the interview. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:40 | |
If you're not successful | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
then usually the only thing that's damaged is your pride, | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
but I'm afraid we're hearing more and more about an increasing | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
number of job opportunities that turn out to be entirely bogus, | 0:12:48 | 0:12:53 | |
and the people who've gone for them, who are desperate to earn money, | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
have instead been tricked into losing it. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
'Jobs board.' | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
For the 1.7 million unemployed people in Britain, | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
job ads like these can be familiar reading. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
And for Debbie Cordis, they were very familiar indeed. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
After taking voluntary redundancy from her previous job, | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
Debbie had been searching online for vacancies for months when she came | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
across one that sounded ideal. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
What was it that you saw there that made you feel, | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
"This is a job that I'd like to apply for"? | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
Well, the website looked quite professional, | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
and also they had a YouTube video as well with a guy that said he worked | 0:13:50 | 0:13:55 | |
for the recruitment for the company. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
The ad was posted by a job agency called Madeem Recruit, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
which was hiring on behalf of a clothing company based in central London. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
And here's the man Debbie saw in the video. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
We require customer service reps with no experience required... | 0:14:09 | 0:14:14 | |
After applying for the job, | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
Debbie was over the moon | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
when Madeem Recruit asked her to do a phone interview. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
What sort of questions did he ask and how did the interview go? | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
Just quite basic questions, like did I have data entry experience, | 0:14:25 | 0:14:31 | |
and was I computer literate. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
No alarm bells went that maybe this was something that wasn't quite kosher? | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
-Not at that time. -No. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
The interview went so well that, four days later, | 0:14:41 | 0:14:43 | |
Debbie was told she'd got the job | 0:14:43 | 0:14:45 | |
and would be working in the company's warehouse. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
But before she could start, | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
she needed to send the job agency | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
scans of her passport and National Insurance card | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
and, or so it was claimed, undergo a criminal records check, | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
and to cover all of that, she'd have to pay almost £100. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:04 | |
Did you have £100? | 0:15:04 | 0:15:05 | |
Because presumably at that point you were unemployed. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
Yeah, yeah. I was a little worried, | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
but at that time I really wanted a job, so... | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
you know, I really wanted to start as soon as possible. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
But once she'd paid that money, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
the recruitment company was in no hurry to firm up the details of when | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
she'd actually start, | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
and a whole month passed with still no start date. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
Growing suspicious, Debbie searched online to see if anyone else | 0:15:27 | 0:15:31 | |
had experienced problems with Madeem Recruit, | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
and to her horror it quickly became clear | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
that the whole operation was a scam. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
The agency was claiming to offer jobs with real companies, | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
but rather than genuinely placing anyone there, | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
it seemed to have simply been pocketing the cash from that £100 charge. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:51 | |
So what did you do when you realised you'd been a victim of scam? | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
I immediately got on to my bank and told them, | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
just in case they could use any of my bank details, | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
and I got on to the Passport Office | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
and I told them what happened so that I could get a new passport. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:07 | |
That was about £100. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
So you're now £200 out of pocket. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
-Yeah, yeah. -And what did you feel at the end of all of this? | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
Um, well, it was very stressful at the time, | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
and it's kind of embarrassing, | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
you know, you feel kind of stupid, really. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
Of course, the scammers have a copy of Debbie's old passport and her | 0:16:23 | 0:16:28 | |
National Insurance number, so she's worried they know enough | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
about her to use her identity illegally, | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
and she's had to contact credit agencies and the police for help. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
When we contacted Madeem Recruit, perhaps unsurprisingly, | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
the company didn't respond. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
But sadly we hear stories like Debbie's all the time, | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
and the number of fraudulent job ads is rising so fast that a voluntary | 0:16:47 | 0:16:52 | |
organisation called Safer Jobs has been set up to work with | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
the City of London Police in cracking down on them. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
Keith Rosser is its chairman. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
Presumably they're getting more and more clever at persuading you that | 0:17:00 | 0:17:04 | |
these are genuine advertisements. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
Scammers now, more and more, are using real company logos and brands. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
The other thing they're doing to add legitimacy to this scam is they're | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
even introducing third parties. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:15 | |
So they're saying to job-seekers, "You've been offered a job, | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
"now contact this organisation to get some background checks done on you," | 0:17:18 | 0:17:22 | |
and it makes it look even more like it's genuine to the job-seeker. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
How big is the problem of online scammers? | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
Well, we currently get in the region of 70,000 people | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
to our site a month, looking for free advice, | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
and we receive five reports a day of potential fraud, | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
so we've seen a real growth in the last few years of online job scams, | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
and it's... All signs look like it's only going to increase. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:48 | |
As Debbie had discovered, what makes these scams so plausible | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
is that there's more to them than just fake adverts and e-mails - | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
she'd been through a phone interview as well. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
And, of course, there'd been that video in which a man claiming to be | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
from the clothing company had talked about the job | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
that he was hoping to fill. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:06 | |
We need people to start pretty much... | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
well, straight away. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:09 | |
Now that's taking the scam to a higher level, isn't it, | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
because that's a full-blown video | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
supposedly from the man who is going to employ you. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
That's right, it's legitimacy, that's what they're doing all the time is, | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
"How can we make this look more and more genuine?" | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
So what would happen next in this case is that the person would be | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
offered the job, they'd get their contract of employment and, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
because of the immediate starts, there'll be saying, | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
"Pay for a police check," hence the job-seeker goes to them, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
pays their £100. Of course, there is no police check. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:38 | |
Now, why would somebody put their face on this if this is a scam? | 0:18:38 | 0:18:42 | |
I suspect this person actually has been duped themselves and doesn't | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
realise they're part of facilitating a fraud, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
otherwise it's slightly unusual | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
that a fraudster would make themselves so readily identifiable. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
Well, we did our own digging into the man Debbie had seen. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
Turns out he's an actor who, online, | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
offers his services to anyone who wants to hire him to record a video | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
testimonial for their company. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:06 | |
He'll happily provide a positive review for a product or, | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
as he did in the case of Madeem Recruit, | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
pretend to be a manager looking for new employees. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
In fact, on this web page where he sells his acting services, | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
he calls himself Yoogle. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:21 | |
Hello there, I'm Yoogle, and... | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
But here he's Richard. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
My name is Richard Turner. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:28 | |
And for less than £20, he'll record anyone a video testimonial, | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
bestowing the virtues of pretty much anything. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:37 | |
I'm offering a 40-word video testimonial, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
or a voiceover, to promote your product, your service, | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
your website or anything else that you want to promote. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:48 | |
We dropped Yoogle - or is it Richard? - a line, | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
and asked if he knew that | 0:19:50 | 0:19:52 | |
when he recorded the videos for Madeem Recruit, | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
he was helping the perpetrators of a scam. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
It turns out his name is David. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:00 | |
He told us he provides acting services for many, many clients | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
and that he simply gets sent the script and performs it. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
He went on to insist that he had absolutely no idea | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
that this was a scam | 0:20:11 | 0:20:12 | |
and he wouldn't have done the video if he had known. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
We also contacted the clothing company | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
that David claimed to represent, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
which is a genuine, successful company. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
The owners stressed they have nothing to do with Madeem Recruit, | 0:20:23 | 0:20:27 | |
and say that they feel like victims of the scam, too. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
They've even had people turning up at their premises to start jobs | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
that simply don't exist. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
But it's perhaps no surprise | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
that they too were fooled by Madeem Recruit, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
because the agency's website is full of glowing references | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
and testimonials from supposedly satisfied customers, | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
all of which add another level of credibility to the scam. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
You probably won't be surprised to find out that they're fake, too. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
I'm going to give you a natural-looking video testimonial. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
And we found at least two of the people | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
who recorded videos for Madeem Recruit | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
also offering to record testimonials and fake reviews | 0:21:12 | 0:21:16 | |
for anything, for the princely sum of 5. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
If you want a natural, high-quality testimonial review or any other kind | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
of promotional video, look no further. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
It's all designed to make Madeem Recruit | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
and the jobs they're advertising | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
look like the real thing. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:32 | |
When we contacted the two actors in these videos, | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
one chose not to comment and the other simply said, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
"Yes, I am a paid actor for that testimonial." | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
The credibility that these fake testimonials add | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
is just one reason why the number of job scams | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
we hear about is on the rise. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
But according to Trading Standards National Scambuster Team, | 0:21:51 | 0:21:55 | |
the cases that get reported are just the tip of the iceberg. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
This is a growing problem in that we've received several hundred | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
complaints over the last four or five months. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
Clearly a fraud is being perpetrated on these people, in that | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
they're being offered jobs which simply don't exist. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
The team's investigations have revealed links to | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
sophisticated organised crime networks | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
making a lot of money out of eager job-hunters. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
We've executed a number of warrants on individuals who we believe are | 0:22:23 | 0:22:27 | |
associated with it. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
We're aware that some bank accounts that have been used have been taking | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
between £3,000 and £6,000 a week, | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
so a bank account is usually operational | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
for between two and four weeks before it is shut down, | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
but within that period there could be £20,000 or £30,000 through that | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
bank account and off to a third-party account. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
And to make it more difficult to catch them, | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
the fraudsters move around the country using the same scam. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
What appears to be happening is that they're setting up a number of | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
different companies offering different jobs. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
So, for example, they'll target Liverpool one week | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
and then they might target Manchester, Bristol, Birmingham, | 0:23:04 | 0:23:08 | |
to avoid people becoming too aware of a scam taking place | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
in a particular area. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
To avoid being taken in, | 0:23:14 | 0:23:15 | |
Keith Rosser from Safer Jobs says it's crucial that job-seekers | 0:23:15 | 0:23:19 | |
watch out for the telltale signs that an ad may be a scam. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:24 | |
What can be done to set the alarm bells ringing that tells you that | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
perhaps this is not a genuine job application? | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
So, for all job-seekers, | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
what we would say is always run a few basic tests - | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
check the quality and grammar of the job advert | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
and any subsequent e-mails or contacts you have. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
Always check the e-mail addresses that they're coming from. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
Does it look like a bona fide company address? | 0:23:46 | 0:23:48 | |
If this company purports to be a well-known retail brand, | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
check them out online and call their head office | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
and check they are recruiting. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
If it's an unknown company, always do your research online - | 0:23:56 | 0:24:00 | |
find out if the company exists, check with Companies House. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
What we'd say to all job-seekers is Safer Jobs, | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
which is a non-profit organisation set up by the police, | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
offers free advice to any job-seeker. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
One of the things that Safer Jobs does is it partners | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
with most of the big job boards to share information about fake jobs, | 0:24:15 | 0:24:19 | |
to make sure that all those job boards then remove it from their site. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
Fraudsters are known to pose as recruiters, not just for local jobs, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
but for some very big multinational firms. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
Petroleum giant Shell and one of the world's largest mining companies, | 0:24:29 | 0:24:34 | |
AngloAmerican, are among those whose names have been hijacked. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
Back in Harrow, Debbie knows now to be much more wary of any supposed | 0:24:38 | 0:24:43 | |
recruitment agency that asks you | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
to pay upfront for any of its services. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
Debbie, what do you think you've learnt from this experience? | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
Erm, not to take things at face value and also, like, | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
when anybody's asking, you know, | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
for payment for anything to always check it, especially, you know, | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
with looking for a job. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
Still to come on Rip-Off Britain - | 0:25:10 | 0:25:12 | |
a spate of mystery phone calls | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
racking up high charges in the middle of the night. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
So, who made them and why? | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
When I saw the times on the bill, | 0:25:19 | 0:25:21 | |
I just could not believe it because they were outrageous times and on | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
Christmas Day as well, early hours of the morning. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
This year the Rip-Off Britain team | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
worked through the night to get ready for our annual | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
consumer advice clinic in one of the UK's busiest shopping centres. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
We were setting up right in the thick of it all... | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
..to create an open-plan pop-up shop, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
very different from any we've opened up before. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
We've been absolutely thrilled by the number of people | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
who've been passing by and then just popped in to talk | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
to our many experts and try and get | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
their consumer problems sorted, | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
and it's been terrific for me, for Gloria and for Julia as well, | 0:26:01 | 0:26:05 | |
because it's our opportunity to meet you, our viewers. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:08 | |
One of those calling in for help was Trish, who wanted advice | 0:26:11 | 0:26:15 | |
on finding a long-lost pension. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
Last year when I was 68, I retired, | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
and when I went through some old papers, | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
I found this letter dated 1968 | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
offering me a job in an insurance broker's in Leeds. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:32 | |
It sets out the terms and conditions quite clearly, | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
and one of those terms and conditions is that I would be | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
required to join the staff contributory pension fund. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
So I thought, "That's very interesting, | 0:26:44 | 0:26:46 | |
"I'll see what happened to my contributions." | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
And there the fun began. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
So far, unpicking what happened to the pension contributions Trish | 0:26:51 | 0:26:56 | |
had made in the five years she worked there has proved impossible. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
I e-mailed the government's pension tracing service. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
They gave me the name of the company that | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
this company became, so I wrote to them, rang them. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:11 | |
They've not even acknowledged that I exist. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
Do companies not have an obligation, a legal obligation, | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
to keep up-to-date records of everything that's happened? | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
I mean, if you talk to banks, they will say | 0:27:20 | 0:27:22 | |
there are some records they just don't have because they're so old. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
There's an estimated one million unclaimed pensions in the UK, | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
worth around £4 billion. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:31 | |
It's supposed to be easier than ever to trace them, | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
but that has not been Trish's experience, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
and for her, it's a matter of principle. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
It's not the pot of money. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
It's because no-one has given me any kind of answer. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:44 | |
It got me thinking. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:45 | |
There were thousands of women in my position | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
where there was a staff pension fund, | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
then they married, they left and had babies, | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
and none of us looked back to think, | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
"I wonder what's happening to my pension." | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
Now, under the rules that were around at the time, | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
it could be that when Trish left her job in 1974, | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
she was refunded the contributions that she'd made. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
Basically, before 1975, | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
if you were a member of a workplace pension and then you left | 0:28:08 | 0:28:12 | |
after a few years, | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
it was likely that you would have just been given back the money | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
that you'd paid in and nothing else. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
There wouldn't have been a pot of money growing with your name on it, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
ready for you to claim when you retire. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
But what's most frustrating for Trish | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
is that she hasn't been able to find out for sure. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
It's just that no-one gives me an answer, | 0:28:31 | 0:28:33 | |
I think that's the problem. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
As Trish can't seem to get any further, | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
Sarah's offered to do some detective work of her own. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
I'll make a call this afternoon, actually, | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
and see if I can actually speak to somebody in the first place, | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
and we'll take it from there and find out | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
-what you may or may not have. -That's great. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
Following filming, Sarah did manage | 0:28:50 | 0:28:52 | |
to speak to the right person on this, and, as she suspected, | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
it turned out that Trish had been given the money way back in 1974, | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
and she was even able to track down | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
a letter spelling it all out in black and white. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
So while there was no unclaimed pension, | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
Trish was thrilled to have the matter finally cleared up, | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
which was what she hoped for in the first place. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
Meanwhile, over in our gripe corner, our complainers were in full swing. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:18 | |
I'm not happy with that still, because I think it's very unfair. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
And rather than retail therapy, it was retail pain for some of them. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:26 | |
My biggest rip-off in Britain is the price of children's school shoes. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
I pay more for their shoes than I pay for my shoes. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
I buy a pair of trainers and it all comes up to about £100-odd. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
It's hard to look fashionable when you can't afford it, | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
because it's pricey. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
I like quality garments, obviously. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
They look good but they don't last that very long. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
And it's just difficult to find a cheaper option, really. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:50 | |
Back at our shop, solicitor Gary Rycroft | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
was ready for his next appointment, | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
and some of the group looked a little familiar. | 0:29:57 | 0:29:59 | |
We've met before, haven't we? | 0:30:00 | 0:30:01 | |
-We have. -So, very nice to see you again. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
Wendy and Mike had some help from Gary | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
at our pop-up shop in Liverpool in 2013. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
It seems to me that the owner of the freehold is being a bit cheeky. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
They acted on his advice with great results. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:15 | |
You gave us some ideas and we managed to sort it out | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
and we got all our money back, so it was a positive outcome. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
-Brilliant. -So, when a new problem with their property cropped up, | 0:30:21 | 0:30:25 | |
they were keen to see Gary again, | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
and this time they brought along neighbour Anna, | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
who is suffering with the same issue, | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
as indeed are plenty of others on the same development. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
We started noticing mortar coming off the roofs | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
and coming on to the path, | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
so we were wondering what was happening. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
The neighbours' roofs developed exactly the same fault | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
only a few years after the houses had been built. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
So, Wendy called out the National House-Building Council, or NHBC, | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
to investigate. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:54 | |
At the point that the NHBC inspector came out, | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
he said a lot of the houses on the estate were starting to get this | 0:30:57 | 0:31:01 | |
problem, and he believed it was an inconsistency in the mortar that had | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
been put on the roof. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:06 | |
Anna had an inspector out, too, who spotted another fault. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
There seemed to be a problem with the ridge tiles as well - | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
they were inferior quality. And so there were two main problems | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
that were going on here that they accepted. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
Though the roofs were fixed on both Wendy and Anna's homes, | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
the problem soon returned, and, they say, by now | 0:31:21 | 0:31:25 | |
it was apparent that the recurring roof fault | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
was commonplace on the development. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
What we found is that, across the estate, | 0:31:30 | 0:31:32 | |
different people had already had it repaired and then had had to | 0:31:32 | 0:31:36 | |
call them back a second time because they were having the same problem. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
Four years on and the residents still have faulty roofs, | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
but Gary thinks there's mileage | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
in pushing the NHBC into further action. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
You can escalate what's going on now into a complaint and actually say, | 0:31:48 | 0:31:53 | |
"Look, we're not happy with the way this is being dealt with on a piecemeal basis. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:57 | |
-"There is clearly an estate-wide issue here." -Yeah. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:01 | |
With almost 400 properties on the estate, | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
Gary thinks it would help if the residents all joined forces on this. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
But with many of the houses rented out, | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
Wendy hasn't been sure how she could get in touch | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
with the actual homeowners. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
Luckily for her, Gary's got a tip to help. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
The land registry will hold up-to-date information | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
about who owns all of the individuals properties | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
on your estate. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:30 | |
-Ah. -Now, the land register is an open register... | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
-Right. -..we can all apply to the land registry for a copy of the | 0:32:33 | 0:32:38 | |
-register... -Right. -The fee payable is £3 per property. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:43 | |
Gary also suggested some other avenues for them to try, | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
including the financial ombudsman service. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:49 | |
There's some practical points there and, hopefully, | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
like we did three years ago, we can solve this. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
It's been a fantastic opportunity to come here today and we've learned an | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
awful lot and it's been really inspiring as well to hear a | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
professional point of view and advice on it. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
So, hopefully we can go away and try those ideas and get a result. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
And once we'd pulled down the shutters on this year's pop-up shop, | 0:33:09 | 0:33:13 | |
we got in touch with the NHBC. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:15 | |
It told us it's already assisted a number of homeowners on the estate | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
whose properties are covered by its build mark warranty and urged | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
any who still have concerns | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
to get in touch with its claims team directly | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
to ensure that they are getting the right support. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
Next - a stressful situation that nobody wants to face - | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
trying to correct a bill that's many times higher than you were expecting | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
but you're getting nowhere trying to sort it all out. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
Now, it happened to the people in our next film, | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
who found themselves with mobile phone bills showing huge charges for | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
hours and hours of phone calls that they're certain they didn't make. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
But while they're sure it wasn't them, | 0:33:54 | 0:33:56 | |
proving who or what really did rack up such massive costs is actually | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
proving quite a battle. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
Christmas Eve 2015. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
She didn't know it yet, but for Claire Knifton from Burton-on-Trent, | 0:34:06 | 0:34:10 | |
the start of the festive season | 0:34:10 | 0:34:12 | |
also kicked off a mysterious set of events | 0:34:12 | 0:34:15 | |
that even now she can't explain, | 0:34:15 | 0:34:18 | |
all to do with her phone and some very odd calls | 0:34:18 | 0:34:20 | |
made in the middle of the night. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:22 | |
But it was a month later before | 0:34:24 | 0:34:26 | |
Claire realised that anything was wrong. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
I'd gone out on my lunch break at work. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:31 | |
-Hello. -Hiya. Pump number three, please. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:35 | |
I went to use the card and the lady said, "Sorry, your card's declined." | 0:34:35 | 0:34:40 | |
And I was like, "No, it's not, there definitely is money in there." | 0:34:40 | 0:34:44 | |
She says, "I'll try again," and she tried swiping it... | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
No, it's still having none of it. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:49 | |
So you can imagine the journey back to the office then was, | 0:34:49 | 0:34:53 | |
"Oh, my God, what's happened? Why have I got no money?" | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
Cos I knew that if my card had been declined then it must have | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
gone over my overdraft as well, | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
so it's got to be a large amount of money that's come out of my account. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
Claire called her bank, who said that her latest mobile phone bill was for | 0:35:04 | 0:35:09 | |
a hefty £309, which would be a shock for anyone, | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
but particularly her, as she normally pays just £20 a month. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:17 | |
I was like, "Oh, my God, no way there... | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
"What could have gone out?" | 0:35:20 | 0:35:22 | |
So this is when alarm bells started ringing. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
Assuming it was a mistake, Claire called her phone company, | 0:35:26 | 0:35:30 | |
which insisted that a series of calls had been made from her phone | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
throughout the night before Christmas, | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
all to the same very expensive 0843 number. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
We've got one at 21.11 on Christmas Eve, | 0:35:40 | 0:35:45 | |
and then 23.11, as well on Christmas Eve, | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
so each phone call was £49, | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
£44, £44, £44. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
£44, and then the last one was £30, | 0:35:56 | 0:36:00 | |
and it also gives you a service charge as well of £5.56 each time. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
There was a total of six calls on the bill, | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
each starting at two-hourly intervals, with the last call at 5.11 | 0:36:06 | 0:36:10 | |
on Christmas morning. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:12 | |
When I saw the times on the bill, I just could not believe it. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
Anyone in their right mind that's ringing a premium number | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
for that amount of time on Christmas Day, you know, | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
it's a definite no-no. I wouldn't do that. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
And when the number appears to belong to a PPI claims service, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
it does seem especially unlikely that Claire would have | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
deliberately made those calls. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
Now, she does recall seeing a missed call from that same 0843 number | 0:36:33 | 0:36:37 | |
during Christmas Eve, | 0:36:37 | 0:36:38 | |
but she's adamant that at the time the bill says she | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
was on the phone, she was either celebrating Christmas Eve | 0:36:41 | 0:36:45 | |
with her family or fast asleep in bed. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
I was quite relieved, really, that it was on such a memorable day | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
that I knew exactly what I was doing. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:52 | |
I know for definite that that phone was on its own, on a charger, | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
in the bedroom all that time. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
We've spoken to numerous people | 0:36:58 | 0:37:00 | |
who've been billed sizeable sums for calls | 0:37:00 | 0:37:02 | |
that they're sure that they've never made. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
Even industry regulator Ofcom got involved to investigate what could | 0:37:04 | 0:37:08 | |
possibly have happened, | 0:37:08 | 0:37:09 | |
and plenty of newspapers have also picked up on what they call | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
a fake call scam with reports of dozens of people | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
who found themselves in the same situation... | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
including Oriel Ross Wardell from Hull, | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
who was charged £289 for a phone call | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
that she insists was made while | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
her phone was shut away in a drawer at home. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
Gillian Innes, a care worker from Ripon, | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
received a bill for nearly £180, ten times her usual monthly charge, | 0:37:33 | 0:37:37 | |
following a call to an 0845 number that she too is sure she never made. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:42 | |
And Hazel Brown from Surrey, | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
who had three witnesses to prove she was not on the phone during | 0:37:44 | 0:37:48 | |
a seven-hour call that cost £211. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
Well, it's not clear exactly what's gone on, | 0:37:51 | 0:37:55 | |
but one theory is that someone could be hiring out 0845 or 0843 numbers, | 0:37:55 | 0:38:00 | |
setting them up with high fees for incoming calls, | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
and then here's the clever bit, | 0:38:03 | 0:38:04 | |
very sneakily hacking into people's Smartphones and programming them to | 0:38:04 | 0:38:09 | |
automatically call back if there's | 0:38:09 | 0:38:10 | |
a missed call from their particular numbers. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
Well, it's terrifying stuff, | 0:38:13 | 0:38:14 | |
but it isn't necessarily the explanation | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
for what happened to Claire. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:19 | |
To see if we could help shed any more light on the mystery, | 0:38:19 | 0:38:23 | |
we asked CCL Solutions, | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
a company that specialises in analysing the data on mobile phones, | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
to take a look at Claire's handset. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
We can recover a whole range of information | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
about the usage of the phone, | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
the software installed on the phone, | 0:38:36 | 0:38:38 | |
deleted data as well. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
So it helps us really build up a big picture of how the phone was being | 0:38:40 | 0:38:44 | |
used, and we can timeline events. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
CCL put Claire's phone through a series of rigorous tests, | 0:38:46 | 0:38:50 | |
but there was no evidence it had been hacked by scammers or indeed | 0:38:50 | 0:38:54 | |
of any other rogue phone activity. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:56 | |
We didn't find any evidence that | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
there were any malicious applications on the phone, | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
so it's quite difficult to conclude why that call or those calls | 0:39:01 | 0:39:06 | |
were made, or indeed what made them. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
Except the team did make a discovery that opens up another possibility. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:13 | |
The phone bill showed a series of two-hour calls, | 0:39:14 | 0:39:18 | |
whereas the phone itself showed a single call of 11 hours. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:22 | |
In other words, while the bill lists the calls as separate, | 0:39:22 | 0:39:26 | |
there may have been just one very long call, | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
which makes it more feasible that Claire might perhaps | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
have redialled the number of her missed call by mistake. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
I think the fact that it was a single call | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
as opposed to multiple calls | 0:39:38 | 0:39:40 | |
makes it more likely that it was probably an accidental dial, | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
but if the user is confident that they did not make those calls | 0:39:43 | 0:39:48 | |
or that call, and we can't find any evidence | 0:39:48 | 0:39:52 | |
of any malicious applications or any malicious activity, | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
then I think it's safe to say it's a mystery. | 0:39:55 | 0:40:00 | |
But certainly, as far as Claire's phone company is concerned, | 0:40:01 | 0:40:05 | |
these situations generally are caused by... | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
It has confirmed, as our expert suspected, | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
that there was simply one 11-hour call made to that 0843 number, | 0:40:15 | 0:40:19 | |
explaining that the bill suggested otherwise | 0:40:19 | 0:40:21 | |
because the company's billing system refreshes | 0:40:21 | 0:40:24 | |
call records every two hours. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
In common with other phone companies, | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
it regards the behaviour of whoever is making these missed calls as | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
fraudulent and actively blocks the numbers involved | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
as soon as it becomes aware of them. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
So while it recommends caution when returning any missed calls | 0:40:37 | 0:40:41 | |
from a number you don't know, | 0:40:41 | 0:40:43 | |
in case it too has unexpected extra costs, | 0:40:43 | 0:40:45 | |
it has in this case refunded Claire the cost of the call. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:49 | |
Of course that's great news for her, | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
but there's one simple way anyone can ensure they're not landed with | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
unexpected sky-high bills, | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
whether it's because a scammer has got your number | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
or you've unwittingly made a call from your pocket. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
Call your mobile phone service provider | 0:41:02 | 0:41:04 | |
and ask them to put a cap on your usage, | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
so that you don't get any surprises when the bill comes | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
at the end of the month. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:12 | |
If you have a story you'd like us to investigate, | 0:41:16 | 0:41:19 | |
then you can get in touch with us via our Facebook page... | 0:41:19 | 0:41:22 | |
Our website is... | 0:41:24 | 0:41:26 | |
Or you can e-mail us at... | 0:41:28 | 0:41:33 | |
And, of course, you can always send us a letter to our postal address... | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
You know something, I love a good old detective story, | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
and a lot of the e-mails and letters that you send us start in exactly | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
that way - with a situation that doesn't seem to make any sense | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
whatsoever, and you want us to help work out what exactly has gone on. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:03 | |
But sometimes, as we've seen, there is a reasonable explanation, | 0:42:03 | 0:42:07 | |
but in other cases those first impressions were totally correct | 0:42:07 | 0:42:11 | |
and it was really all down to an ingenious scam. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
Well, the team here is always ready, | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
waiting and really eager to get stuck into even more of those | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
seemingly inexplicable situations, | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
so if you've lost out but can't for the life of you fathom out | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
what's happened, do let us know, | 0:42:26 | 0:42:28 | |
because even if we can't help get your money back, | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
we may at least be able to unravel the truth, | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
and, of course, that means that we can | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
stop others from falling into similar traps. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
In the meantime, | 0:42:38 | 0:42:39 | |
we hope you've picked up some useful tips to help steer you well clear of | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
situations that either really are a scam | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
or simply look as if they might be. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
But that's all we've got time for for today. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
Thanks very much for joining us. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:51 | |
-Till the next time, from all of us here, goodbye. -Goodbye. -Bye-bye. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:55 |