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We asked you to tell us what's left you feeling ripped off,

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and you contacted us in your thousands.

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You've told us about the companies you think get it wrong

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and the customer service that is simply not up to scratch.

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When you have to call them, it takes ages and somebody else

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answers the phone who pretty much doesn't know what you're saying.

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The customer is not benefitting and, no, I'm not getting value for money.

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You've asked us to track down the scammers who stole your money and

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investigate the extra charges you say are unfair.

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They don't deserve to be in any form of business whatsoever and they just

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want shutting down.

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And when you've lost out but nobody else is to blame,

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you've come to us to stop others falling into the same trap.

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They took the money out of my account and I don't even know who it was that was scamming me.

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So, whether it's a blatant rip-off or a genuine mistake...

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we're here to find out why you're out of pocket and what you can do about it.

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Your stories, your money. This is Rip-Off Britain.

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Hello and welcome once again to the Rip-Off Britain office where,

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I have to say, today, the entire team has turned detective to try and get

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to the bottom of cases that, when you first told us about them,

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immediately it sounded very murky indeed,

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even if it wasn't immediately clear what exactly was going on.

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In fact, our initial instinct was that at the heart of

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all of these stories was an out and out scam.

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And while that's most definitely true of some of them, with the others,

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well, things aren't quite that simple.

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And even when it is clear that there's something distinctly dodgy going on,

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unpicking exactly what has happened and why

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has not been that easy, has it?

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But we love a challenge here on Rip-Off Britain,

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and some of the people in our stories today have lost a considerable amount of money.

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So, as well as solving the mystery of how that happened,

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we'll be making sure that you've got all the information you need to

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avoid losing out in the same way.

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Coming up - phantom postboxes mysteriously stuck to your home with

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a sinister purpose.

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They were hanging around in the area,

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waiting for the post to be delivered

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and were then going to remove the box.

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And the job ads fleecing people desperate for work,

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using actors to add a touch of credibility.

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It's kind of embarrassing, you know, to be caught out like this,

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and you feel kind of stupid, really.

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You know, we've been doing this programme long enough for us to

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think that there weren't too many types of scam we hadn't heard of before,

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whether the fraudsters behind them were after your cash,

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your personal details, or both.

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But a few months ago, we came across something that is completely

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new and indeed, dare I say it, quite extraordinarily inventive.

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The barefaced cheek of it, I think, is going to take your breath away.

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But when the residents affected

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first noticed something very odd happening,

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establishing exactly what was going on

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raised more questions than answers.

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A quiet, leafy suburb in Chorlton in Greater Manchester.

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But behind these peaceful surroundings lurks a crime spree.

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I'm mystified that anyone would think they could attach a postbox to

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someone's house and get away with it.

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No-one knows how many people have been affected or even how much money

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may have been lost. In fact, one of the few things that is clear

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about this most mysterious of scams is that whoever was behind it

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had been watching the comings and goings on

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these streets very carefully indeed,

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in order to use the residents' identities for their own ends.

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-Hello.

-Good to meet you. Come in.

-Thank you.

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Alan Dunn was the first to notice that something was amiss when he

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happened to be at home one afternoon.

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Alan, could you start by telling me

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when you realised something was going on?

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My daughter had been out for lunch and she came back after about an

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hour, and as she walked up the path,

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there was somebody stood on the doorstep and she said,

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"Oh, can I help you?" And he said, "Oh, I'm sorry,

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"I think I might be in the wrong place. Uh..."

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And left quite quickly.

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Alan's suspicions were aroused and he popped outside to take a look,

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and immediately noticed that a small black letterbox had been stuck to

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the outside of his house.

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Baffled as to where it had come from and why,

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Alan prised the letterbox away from the wall and took it inside.

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He soon discovered that the postman had dropped the family's mail for

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the day inside the new box, rather than,

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as usual, through the letterbox on the front door,

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and amongst that mail was something very odd indeed.

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What sort of letters were they?

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It was a letter from the TSB saying

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I'd opened a new account with them

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and I had negotiated an overdraft for £1,000.

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Neither Alan nor his partner Linda banks with TSB,

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and they knew for sure they hadn't opened a new account there.

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Putting two and two together,

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they deduced that Alan's identity had most likely been stolen and the

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crooks behind it had applied to borrow money in his name.

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But of course, they couldn't activate the account or spend the overdraft

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without the cards, paperwork and PIN number

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that would all be sent through the post.

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So they'd added their own postbox to make sure they could get

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their hands on what they needed.

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At that moment, we realised that the letterbox had been put up to

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intercept the mail.

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In that letterbox, we had a confirmation letter and the online

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PIN number for internet banking,

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and we imagine that the person that Bethan encountered on the doorstep

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was probably in the process of retrieving the mail at that moment,

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-so she spooked him.

-How did you feel when you realised

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you'd come very close to being scammed?

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Well, I was quite relieved in a way that we'd stopped it happening.

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They obviously knew the delivery times for the postman on that day.

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It was a little window of an hour where they stick it up,

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and the postman was still in the street as they are retrieving it.

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They're following him round, almost, retrieving the mail.

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Realising that, by chance, they'd stopped a crime in its tracks,

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they called the police.

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The police didn't accept it was a crime at all.

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She was just saying perhaps the box has been put on the wrong house,

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which is what we thought originally.

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It was only when we rang back the next day and actually kind of

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insisted, because I thought...

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I'm not really expecting them to catch the person,

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but I did want it logged in case anybody else rang up,

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so they could see there was a pattern.

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Did you have a word with the postman the next day and ask him about it?

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I did, but actually it wasn't the same postman,

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but I explained everything to him,

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I even showed him the letterbox and said,

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"Look, this is what was stuck up in our porch,"

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and he took all that information back, and they distributed that

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round the local postmen so they're aware of it as an issue.

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As well as talking to the Post Office,

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Alan and Linda contacted TSB.

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They immediately put a stop on the account,

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and assured us there was no way the account could be activated.

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And though it was good news that the account had been shut down before

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the fraudsters could rack up any debt in Alan's name,

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the couple can't be certain that the fraudsters haven't used his details

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to open other accounts.

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But Linda and Alan weren't the only people that the scammers had in

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their sights, because guess what?

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Another box appeared round the corner just a couple of days later.

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Retired university professor Harold Somers lives one street away from

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Alan and Linda, and he too had initially been confused to find one

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of the strange and scruffily numbered letterboxes

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outside his house.

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It was Saturday afternoon and I was on my way out

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to an important show that we were doing that evening with my band,

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and as I went out the door, I noticed, stuck to the wall,

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was this metal postbox that I'd never seen before,

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and it had a crudely painted house number on it,

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so my first instinct was that perhaps it had been put there

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by mistake and delivery people had installed it in the wrong house.

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Hoping to find out who the box really belonged to,

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Harold took to his local community's Facebook page, where he learned the

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same thing had happened to Alan and Linda.

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I was a bit worried that taking it down might damage the wall,

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because I had assumed it was screwed onto the wall,

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and I couldn't get inside it to unscrew it.

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And they said, "Oh, just pull it off,

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"get it off under any way possible."

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Did you contact the police?

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Yes, I did report it to the police.

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They were more concerned with me reporting it

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as a potential identity theft.

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They gave me the number of Action Fraud to call.

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And how do you feel about it now?

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I'm mystified that...

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anyone would think they could attach a postbox

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to someone's house and get away with it without anyone noticing,

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except that, I suppose, and this is the scary bit,

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what I suppose is that they were hanging around in the area,

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waiting for the post to be delivered

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and were then going to remove the box, almost as quickly as they'd

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attached it, with the stolen mail inside it.

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Harold's been on the lookout for any signs that his identity may have

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been stolen, but so far nothing has come to light,

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and no bank cards or PIN numbers have been delivered.

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Imagine if we'd been on holiday.

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They would have had two weeks' worth of post being delivered into this box.

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Well, you were lucky, Alan and Linda were lucky,

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but it could have so easily been more serious.

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Tony Blake is a fraud prevention specialist who says that,

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though the goings-on in Chorlton are relatively new,

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they're certainly not isolated.

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The fraudsters may target some particular area

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because they have customer information from somewhere.

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They may target a particular area

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because they feel it's more affluent than others.

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The numbers that I'm aware of are very low for this type of crime,

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but it's something we're definitely keeping an eye on.

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It's an evolution of a crime that, in the past,

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has targeted blocks of flats

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which have letterboxes in one communal area.

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There's been student properties where people's identities have been

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stolen and, again, communal areas where mail is just left around.

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Fraudsters are making applications for products,

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whether it be an account or a loan or something similar,

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in someone else's name,

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and they're having the mail sent to the genuine person's address.

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Now, they need to intercept that mail before the genuine customer

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even sees it.

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The crooks behind this new version of the scam are taking a much

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riskier approach by targeting suburban streets

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rather than blocks of flats.

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There is a risk to doing it, but the rewards are potentially high.

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You take out a loan for a few thousand pounds,

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then the rewards are quite high,

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so they see it that the risks are worth taking.

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And, of course, by the time Alan and Harold came across those postboxes,

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it was clear that at least some of their personal details had already

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been exploited by the fraudsters.

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So, while it's not clear exactly how that happened, for Tony,

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it's a reminder of how vigilant we all need to be.

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People need to be very, very careful how they put their information

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out there and protect their own identity.

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Back in Chorlton, it seems the scammers have moved on to pastures new.

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But it's worth keeping an eye out in case a mysterious postbox suddenly

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appears outside your door or on your street,

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which is what Harold and his neighbours will be doing in future.

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I'm just reassured that it's the kind of good old-fashioned

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neighbourhood where a lot of people know each other by name so, yes,

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I think the general awareness has

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been raised and people are watching out for each other, certainly.

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I think all of us know that applying for a job can be a pretty

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nerve-racking process at the best of times,

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and if it's a job that you really want,

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you are most likely going to put your heart and soul into the application,

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and, of course, into the interview.

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If you're not successful

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then usually the only thing that's damaged is your pride,

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but I'm afraid we're hearing more and more about an increasing

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number of job opportunities that turn out to be entirely bogus,

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and the people who've gone for them, who are desperate to earn money,

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have instead been tricked into losing it.

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'Jobs board.'

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For the 1.7 million unemployed people in Britain,

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job ads like these can be familiar reading.

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And for Debbie Cordis, they were very familiar indeed.

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After taking voluntary redundancy from her previous job,

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Debbie had been searching online for vacancies for months when she came

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across one that sounded ideal.

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What was it that you saw there that made you feel,

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"This is a job that I'd like to apply for"?

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Well, the website looked quite professional,

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and also they had a YouTube video as well with a guy that said he worked

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for the recruitment for the company.

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The ad was posted by a job agency called Madeem Recruit,

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which was hiring on behalf of a clothing company based in central London.

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And here's the man Debbie saw in the video.

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We require customer service reps with no experience required...

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After applying for the job,

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Debbie was over the moon

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when Madeem Recruit asked her to do a phone interview.

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What sort of questions did he ask and how did the interview go?

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Just quite basic questions, like did I have data entry experience,

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and was I computer literate.

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No alarm bells went that maybe this was something that wasn't quite kosher?

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-Not at that time.

-No.

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The interview went so well that, four days later,

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Debbie was told she'd got the job

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and would be working in the company's warehouse.

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But before she could start,

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she needed to send the job agency

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scans of her passport and National Insurance card

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and, or so it was claimed, undergo a criminal records check,

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and to cover all of that, she'd have to pay almost £100.

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Did you have £100?

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Because presumably at that point you were unemployed.

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Yeah, yeah. I was a little worried,

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but at that time I really wanted a job, so...

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you know, I really wanted to start as soon as possible.

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But once she'd paid that money,

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the recruitment company was in no hurry to firm up the details of when

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she'd actually start,

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and a whole month passed with still no start date.

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Growing suspicious, Debbie searched online to see if anyone else

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had experienced problems with Madeem Recruit,

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and to her horror it quickly became clear

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that the whole operation was a scam.

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The agency was claiming to offer jobs with real companies,

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but rather than genuinely placing anyone there,

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it seemed to have simply been pocketing the cash from that £100 charge.

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So what did you do when you realised you'd been a victim of scam?

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I immediately got on to my bank and told them,

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just in case they could use any of my bank details,

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and I got on to the Passport Office

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and I told them what happened so that I could get a new passport.

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That was about £100.

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So you're now £200 out of pocket.

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-Yeah, yeah.

-And what did you feel at the end of all of this?

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Um, well, it was very stressful at the time,

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and it's kind of embarrassing,

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you know, you feel kind of stupid, really.

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Of course, the scammers have a copy of Debbie's old passport and her

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National Insurance number, so she's worried they know enough

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about her to use her identity illegally,

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and she's had to contact credit agencies and the police for help.

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When we contacted Madeem Recruit, perhaps unsurprisingly,

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the company didn't respond.

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But sadly we hear stories like Debbie's all the time,

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and the number of fraudulent job ads is rising so fast that a voluntary

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organisation called Safer Jobs has been set up to work with

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the City of London Police in cracking down on them.

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Keith Rosser is its chairman.

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Presumably they're getting more and more clever at persuading you that

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these are genuine advertisements.

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Scammers now, more and more, are using real company logos and brands.

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The other thing they're doing to add legitimacy to this scam is they're

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even introducing third parties.

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So they're saying to job-seekers, "You've been offered a job,

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"now contact this organisation to get some background checks done on you,"

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and it makes it look even more like it's genuine to the job-seeker.

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How big is the problem of online scammers?

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Well, we currently get in the region of 70,000 people

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to our site a month, looking for free advice,

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and we receive five reports a day of potential fraud,

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so we've seen a real growth in the last few years of online job scams,

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and it's... All signs look like it's only going to increase.

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As Debbie had discovered, what makes these scams so plausible

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is that there's more to them than just fake adverts and e-mails -

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she'd been through a phone interview as well.

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And, of course, there'd been that video in which a man claiming to be

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from the clothing company had talked about the job

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that he was hoping to fill.

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We need people to start pretty much...

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well, straight away.

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Now that's taking the scam to a higher level, isn't it,

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because that's a full-blown video

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supposedly from the man who is going to employ you.

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That's right, it's legitimacy, that's what they're doing all the time is,

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"How can we make this look more and more genuine?"

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So what would happen next in this case is that the person would be

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offered the job, they'd get their contract of employment and,

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because of the immediate starts, there'll be saying,

0:18:290:18:31

"Pay for a police check," hence the job-seeker goes to them,

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pays their £100. Of course, there is no police check.

0:18:340:18:38

Now, why would somebody put their face on this if this is a scam?

0:18:380:18:42

I suspect this person actually has been duped themselves and doesn't

0:18:420:18:46

realise they're part of facilitating a fraud,

0:18:460:18:49

otherwise it's slightly unusual

0:18:490:18:51

that a fraudster would make themselves so readily identifiable.

0:18:510:18:55

Well, we did our own digging into the man Debbie had seen.

0:18:550:18:58

Turns out he's an actor who, online,

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offers his services to anyone who wants to hire him to record a video

0:19:000:19:04

testimonial for their company.

0:19:040:19:06

He'll happily provide a positive review for a product or,

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as he did in the case of Madeem Recruit,

0:19:100:19:12

pretend to be a manager looking for new employees.

0:19:120:19:15

In fact, on this web page where he sells his acting services,

0:19:150:19:19

he calls himself Yoogle.

0:19:190:19:21

Hello there, I'm Yoogle, and...

0:19:230:19:25

But here he's Richard.

0:19:250:19:27

My name is Richard Turner.

0:19:270:19:28

And for less than £20, he'll record anyone a video testimonial,

0:19:280:19:32

bestowing the virtues of pretty much anything.

0:19:320:19:37

I'm offering a 40-word video testimonial,

0:19:370:19:40

or a voiceover, to promote your product, your service,

0:19:400:19:44

your website or anything else that you want to promote.

0:19:440:19:48

We dropped Yoogle - or is it Richard? - a line,

0:19:480:19:50

and asked if he knew that

0:19:500:19:52

when he recorded the videos for Madeem Recruit,

0:19:520:19:55

he was helping the perpetrators of a scam.

0:19:550:19:58

It turns out his name is David.

0:19:580:20:00

He told us he provides acting services for many, many clients

0:20:000:20:04

and that he simply gets sent the script and performs it.

0:20:040:20:07

He went on to insist that he had absolutely no idea

0:20:070:20:11

that this was a scam

0:20:110:20:12

and he wouldn't have done the video if he had known.

0:20:120:20:15

We also contacted the clothing company

0:20:160:20:18

that David claimed to represent,

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which is a genuine, successful company.

0:20:200:20:23

The owners stressed they have nothing to do with Madeem Recruit,

0:20:230:20:27

and say that they feel like victims of the scam, too.

0:20:270:20:30

They've even had people turning up at their premises to start jobs

0:20:300:20:33

that simply don't exist.

0:20:330:20:35

But it's perhaps no surprise

0:20:350:20:37

that they too were fooled by Madeem Recruit,

0:20:370:20:39

because the agency's website is full of glowing references

0:20:390:20:43

and testimonials from supposedly satisfied customers,

0:20:430:20:47

all of which add another level of credibility to the scam.

0:20:470:20:50

You probably won't be surprised to find out that they're fake, too.

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I'm going to give you a natural-looking video testimonial.

0:21:030:21:07

And we found at least two of the people

0:21:070:21:09

who recorded videos for Madeem Recruit

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also offering to record testimonials and fake reviews

0:21:120:21:16

for anything, for the princely sum of 5.

0:21:160:21:20

If you want a natural, high-quality testimonial review or any other kind

0:21:200:21:24

of promotional video, look no further.

0:21:240:21:27

It's all designed to make Madeem Recruit

0:21:270:21:29

and the jobs they're advertising

0:21:290:21:31

look like the real thing.

0:21:310:21:32

When we contacted the two actors in these videos,

0:21:340:21:37

one chose not to comment and the other simply said,

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"Yes, I am a paid actor for that testimonial."

0:21:400:21:43

The credibility that these fake testimonials add

0:21:430:21:46

is just one reason why the number of job scams

0:21:460:21:49

we hear about is on the rise.

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But according to Trading Standards National Scambuster Team,

0:21:510:21:55

the cases that get reported are just the tip of the iceberg.

0:21:550:21:59

This is a growing problem in that we've received several hundred

0:22:000:22:03

complaints over the last four or five months.

0:22:030:22:06

Clearly a fraud is being perpetrated on these people, in that

0:22:060:22:09

they're being offered jobs which simply don't exist.

0:22:090:22:12

The team's investigations have revealed links to

0:22:140:22:17

sophisticated organised crime networks

0:22:170:22:20

making a lot of money out of eager job-hunters.

0:22:200:22:23

We've executed a number of warrants on individuals who we believe are

0:22:230:22:27

associated with it.

0:22:270:22:29

We're aware that some bank accounts that have been used have been taking

0:22:290:22:33

between £3,000 and £6,000 a week,

0:22:330:22:35

so a bank account is usually operational

0:22:350:22:37

for between two and four weeks before it is shut down,

0:22:370:22:41

but within that period there could be £20,000 or £30,000 through that

0:22:410:22:45

bank account and off to a third-party account.

0:22:450:22:48

And to make it more difficult to catch them,

0:22:480:22:51

the fraudsters move around the country using the same scam.

0:22:510:22:55

What appears to be happening is that they're setting up a number of

0:22:550:22:59

different companies offering different jobs.

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So, for example, they'll target Liverpool one week

0:23:010:23:04

and then they might target Manchester, Bristol, Birmingham,

0:23:040:23:08

to avoid people becoming too aware of a scam taking place

0:23:080:23:11

in a particular area.

0:23:110:23:14

To avoid being taken in,

0:23:140:23:15

Keith Rosser from Safer Jobs says it's crucial that job-seekers

0:23:150:23:19

watch out for the telltale signs that an ad may be a scam.

0:23:190:23:24

What can be done to set the alarm bells ringing that tells you that

0:23:240:23:28

perhaps this is not a genuine job application?

0:23:280:23:31

So, for all job-seekers,

0:23:310:23:33

what we would say is always run a few basic tests -

0:23:330:23:37

check the quality and grammar of the job advert

0:23:370:23:40

and any subsequent e-mails or contacts you have.

0:23:400:23:43

Always check the e-mail addresses that they're coming from.

0:23:430:23:46

Does it look like a bona fide company address?

0:23:460:23:48

If this company purports to be a well-known retail brand,

0:23:480:23:51

check them out online and call their head office

0:23:510:23:54

and check they are recruiting.

0:23:540:23:56

If it's an unknown company, always do your research online -

0:23:560:24:00

find out if the company exists, check with Companies House.

0:24:000:24:03

What we'd say to all job-seekers is Safer Jobs,

0:24:030:24:06

which is a non-profit organisation set up by the police,

0:24:060:24:09

offers free advice to any job-seeker.

0:24:090:24:11

One of the things that Safer Jobs does is it partners

0:24:110:24:15

with most of the big job boards to share information about fake jobs,

0:24:150:24:19

to make sure that all those job boards then remove it from their site.

0:24:190:24:22

Fraudsters are known to pose as recruiters, not just for local jobs,

0:24:220:24:26

but for some very big multinational firms.

0:24:260:24:29

Petroleum giant Shell and one of the world's largest mining companies,

0:24:290:24:34

AngloAmerican, are among those whose names have been hijacked.

0:24:340:24:38

Back in Harrow, Debbie knows now to be much more wary of any supposed

0:24:380:24:43

recruitment agency that asks you

0:24:430:24:45

to pay upfront for any of its services.

0:24:450:24:48

Debbie, what do you think you've learnt from this experience?

0:24:480:24:50

Erm, not to take things at face value and also, like,

0:24:500:24:54

when anybody's asking, you know,

0:24:540:24:57

for payment for anything to always check it, especially, you know,

0:24:570:25:00

with looking for a job.

0:25:000:25:04

Still to come on Rip-Off Britain -

0:25:100:25:12

a spate of mystery phone calls

0:25:120:25:14

racking up high charges in the middle of the night.

0:25:140:25:17

So, who made them and why?

0:25:170:25:19

When I saw the times on the bill,

0:25:190:25:21

I just could not believe it because they were outrageous times and on

0:25:210:25:24

Christmas Day as well, early hours of the morning.

0:25:240:25:26

This year the Rip-Off Britain team

0:25:300:25:32

worked through the night to get ready for our annual

0:25:320:25:35

consumer advice clinic in one of the UK's busiest shopping centres.

0:25:350:25:39

We were setting up right in the thick of it all...

0:25:410:25:44

..to create an open-plan pop-up shop,

0:25:460:25:49

very different from any we've opened up before.

0:25:490:25:51

We've been absolutely thrilled by the number of people

0:25:510:25:54

who've been passing by and then just popped in to talk

0:25:540:25:57

to our many experts and try and get

0:25:570:25:59

their consumer problems sorted,

0:25:590:26:01

and it's been terrific for me, for Gloria and for Julia as well,

0:26:010:26:05

because it's our opportunity to meet you, our viewers.

0:26:050:26:08

One of those calling in for help was Trish, who wanted advice

0:26:110:26:15

on finding a long-lost pension.

0:26:150:26:18

Last year when I was 68, I retired,

0:26:180:26:21

and when I went through some old papers,

0:26:210:26:24

I found this letter dated 1968

0:26:240:26:27

offering me a job in an insurance broker's in Leeds.

0:26:270:26:32

It sets out the terms and conditions quite clearly,

0:26:320:26:36

and one of those terms and conditions is that I would be

0:26:360:26:40

required to join the staff contributory pension fund.

0:26:400:26:44

So I thought, "That's very interesting,

0:26:440:26:46

"I'll see what happened to my contributions."

0:26:460:26:49

And there the fun began.

0:26:490:26:51

So far, unpicking what happened to the pension contributions Trish

0:26:510:26:56

had made in the five years she worked there has proved impossible.

0:26:560:26:59

I e-mailed the government's pension tracing service.

0:26:590:27:03

They gave me the name of the company that

0:27:030:27:06

this company became, so I wrote to them, rang them.

0:27:060:27:11

They've not even acknowledged that I exist.

0:27:110:27:14

Do companies not have an obligation, a legal obligation,

0:27:140:27:17

to keep up-to-date records of everything that's happened?

0:27:170:27:20

I mean, if you talk to banks, they will say

0:27:200:27:22

there are some records they just don't have because they're so old.

0:27:220:27:25

There's an estimated one million unclaimed pensions in the UK,

0:27:250:27:29

worth around £4 billion.

0:27:290:27:31

It's supposed to be easier than ever to trace them,

0:27:310:27:34

but that has not been Trish's experience,

0:27:340:27:36

and for her, it's a matter of principle.

0:27:360:27:38

It's not the pot of money.

0:27:380:27:40

It's because no-one has given me any kind of answer.

0:27:400:27:44

It got me thinking.

0:27:440:27:45

There were thousands of women in my position

0:27:450:27:47

where there was a staff pension fund,

0:27:470:27:49

then they married, they left and had babies,

0:27:490:27:52

and none of us looked back to think,

0:27:520:27:54

"I wonder what's happening to my pension."

0:27:540:27:56

Now, under the rules that were around at the time,

0:27:560:27:59

it could be that when Trish left her job in 1974,

0:27:590:28:02

she was refunded the contributions that she'd made.

0:28:020:28:06

Basically, before 1975,

0:28:060:28:08

if you were a member of a workplace pension and then you left

0:28:080:28:12

after a few years,

0:28:120:28:14

it was likely that you would have just been given back the money

0:28:140:28:17

that you'd paid in and nothing else.

0:28:170:28:20

There wouldn't have been a pot of money growing with your name on it,

0:28:200:28:23

ready for you to claim when you retire.

0:28:230:28:26

But what's most frustrating for Trish

0:28:260:28:28

is that she hasn't been able to find out for sure.

0:28:280:28:31

It's just that no-one gives me an answer,

0:28:310:28:33

I think that's the problem.

0:28:330:28:35

As Trish can't seem to get any further,

0:28:350:28:37

Sarah's offered to do some detective work of her own.

0:28:370:28:40

I'll make a call this afternoon, actually,

0:28:400:28:42

and see if I can actually speak to somebody in the first place,

0:28:420:28:45

and we'll take it from there and find out

0:28:450:28:47

-what you may or may not have.

-That's great.

0:28:470:28:50

Following filming, Sarah did manage

0:28:500:28:52

to speak to the right person on this, and, as she suspected,

0:28:520:28:56

it turned out that Trish had been given the money way back in 1974,

0:28:560:29:00

and she was even able to track down

0:29:000:29:02

a letter spelling it all out in black and white.

0:29:020:29:05

So while there was no unclaimed pension,

0:29:050:29:08

Trish was thrilled to have the matter finally cleared up,

0:29:080:29:11

which was what she hoped for in the first place.

0:29:110:29:14

Meanwhile, over in our gripe corner, our complainers were in full swing.

0:29:140:29:18

I'm not happy with that still, because I think it's very unfair.

0:29:180:29:21

And rather than retail therapy, it was retail pain for some of them.

0:29:210:29:26

My biggest rip-off in Britain is the price of children's school shoes.

0:29:260:29:29

I pay more for their shoes than I pay for my shoes.

0:29:290:29:32

I buy a pair of trainers and it all comes up to about £100-odd.

0:29:320:29:35

It's hard to look fashionable when you can't afford it,

0:29:350:29:38

because it's pricey.

0:29:380:29:40

I like quality garments, obviously.

0:29:400:29:42

They look good but they don't last that very long.

0:29:420:29:45

And it's just difficult to find a cheaper option, really.

0:29:450:29:50

Back at our shop, solicitor Gary Rycroft

0:29:520:29:54

was ready for his next appointment,

0:29:540:29:57

and some of the group looked a little familiar.

0:29:570:29:59

We've met before, haven't we?

0:30:000:30:01

-We have.

-So, very nice to see you again.

0:30:010:30:04

Wendy and Mike had some help from Gary

0:30:040:30:06

at our pop-up shop in Liverpool in 2013.

0:30:060:30:09

It seems to me that the owner of the freehold is being a bit cheeky.

0:30:090:30:13

They acted on his advice with great results.

0:30:130:30:15

You gave us some ideas and we managed to sort it out

0:30:150:30:18

and we got all our money back, so it was a positive outcome.

0:30:180:30:21

-Brilliant.

-So, when a new problem with their property cropped up,

0:30:210:30:25

they were keen to see Gary again,

0:30:250:30:27

and this time they brought along neighbour Anna,

0:30:270:30:29

who is suffering with the same issue,

0:30:290:30:32

as indeed are plenty of others on the same development.

0:30:320:30:35

We started noticing mortar coming off the roofs

0:30:350:30:37

and coming on to the path,

0:30:370:30:39

so we were wondering what was happening.

0:30:390:30:42

The neighbours' roofs developed exactly the same fault

0:30:420:30:45

only a few years after the houses had been built.

0:30:450:30:48

So, Wendy called out the National House-Building Council, or NHBC,

0:30:480:30:52

to investigate.

0:30:520:30:54

At the point that the NHBC inspector came out,

0:30:540:30:57

he said a lot of the houses on the estate were starting to get this

0:30:570:31:01

problem, and he believed it was an inconsistency in the mortar that had

0:31:010:31:05

been put on the roof.

0:31:050:31:06

Anna had an inspector out, too, who spotted another fault.

0:31:060:31:10

There seemed to be a problem with the ridge tiles as well -

0:31:100:31:13

they were inferior quality. And so there were two main problems

0:31:130:31:16

that were going on here that they accepted.

0:31:160:31:18

Though the roofs were fixed on both Wendy and Anna's homes,

0:31:180:31:21

the problem soon returned, and, they say, by now

0:31:210:31:25

it was apparent that the recurring roof fault

0:31:250:31:28

was commonplace on the development.

0:31:280:31:30

What we found is that, across the estate,

0:31:300:31:32

different people had already had it repaired and then had had to

0:31:320:31:36

call them back a second time because they were having the same problem.

0:31:360:31:39

Four years on and the residents still have faulty roofs,

0:31:390:31:43

but Gary thinks there's mileage

0:31:430:31:45

in pushing the NHBC into further action.

0:31:450:31:48

You can escalate what's going on now into a complaint and actually say,

0:31:480:31:53

"Look, we're not happy with the way this is being dealt with on a piecemeal basis.

0:31:530:31:57

-"There is clearly an estate-wide issue here."

-Yeah.

0:31:570:32:01

With almost 400 properties on the estate,

0:32:010:32:05

Gary thinks it would help if the residents all joined forces on this.

0:32:050:32:09

But with many of the houses rented out,

0:32:090:32:12

Wendy hasn't been sure how she could get in touch

0:32:120:32:15

with the actual homeowners.

0:32:150:32:18

Luckily for her, Gary's got a tip to help.

0:32:180:32:22

The land registry will hold up-to-date information

0:32:220:32:25

about who owns all of the individuals properties

0:32:250:32:29

on your estate.

0:32:290:32:30

-Ah.

-Now, the land register is an open register...

0:32:300:32:33

-Right.

-..we can all apply to the land registry for a copy of the

0:32:330:32:38

-register...

-Right.

-The fee payable is £3 per property.

0:32:380:32:43

Gary also suggested some other avenues for them to try,

0:32:430:32:46

including the financial ombudsman service.

0:32:460:32:49

There's some practical points there and, hopefully,

0:32:490:32:52

like we did three years ago, we can solve this.

0:32:520:32:55

It's been a fantastic opportunity to come here today and we've learned an

0:32:570:33:00

awful lot and it's been really inspiring as well to hear a

0:33:000:33:03

professional point of view and advice on it.

0:33:030:33:06

So, hopefully we can go away and try those ideas and get a result.

0:33:060:33:09

And once we'd pulled down the shutters on this year's pop-up shop,

0:33:090:33:13

we got in touch with the NHBC.

0:33:130:33:15

It told us it's already assisted a number of homeowners on the estate

0:33:150:33:19

whose properties are covered by its build mark warranty and urged

0:33:190:33:23

any who still have concerns

0:33:230:33:25

to get in touch with its claims team directly

0:33:250:33:27

to ensure that they are getting the right support.

0:33:270:33:30

Next - a stressful situation that nobody wants to face -

0:33:340:33:37

trying to correct a bill that's many times higher than you were expecting

0:33:370:33:41

but you're getting nowhere trying to sort it all out.

0:33:410:33:44

Now, it happened to the people in our next film,

0:33:440:33:47

who found themselves with mobile phone bills showing huge charges for

0:33:470:33:50

hours and hours of phone calls that they're certain they didn't make.

0:33:500:33:54

But while they're sure it wasn't them,

0:33:540:33:56

proving who or what really did rack up such massive costs is actually

0:33:560:33:59

proving quite a battle.

0:33:590:34:01

Christmas Eve 2015.

0:34:040:34:06

She didn't know it yet, but for Claire Knifton from Burton-on-Trent,

0:34:060:34:10

the start of the festive season

0:34:100:34:12

also kicked off a mysterious set of events

0:34:120:34:15

that even now she can't explain,

0:34:150:34:18

all to do with her phone and some very odd calls

0:34:180:34:20

made in the middle of the night.

0:34:200:34:22

But it was a month later before

0:34:240:34:26

Claire realised that anything was wrong.

0:34:260:34:28

I'd gone out on my lunch break at work.

0:34:280:34:31

-Hello.

-Hiya. Pump number three, please.

0:34:330:34:35

I went to use the card and the lady said, "Sorry, your card's declined."

0:34:350:34:40

And I was like, "No, it's not, there definitely is money in there."

0:34:400:34:44

She says, "I'll try again," and she tried swiping it...

0:34:440:34:47

No, it's still having none of it.

0:34:470:34:49

So you can imagine the journey back to the office then was,

0:34:490:34:53

"Oh, my God, what's happened? Why have I got no money?"

0:34:530:34:56

Cos I knew that if my card had been declined then it must have

0:34:560:34:59

gone over my overdraft as well,

0:34:590:35:01

so it's got to be a large amount of money that's come out of my account.

0:35:010:35:04

Claire called her bank, who said that her latest mobile phone bill was for

0:35:040:35:09

a hefty £309, which would be a shock for anyone,

0:35:090:35:13

but particularly her, as she normally pays just £20 a month.

0:35:130:35:17

I was like, "Oh, my God, no way there...

0:35:170:35:20

"What could have gone out?"

0:35:200:35:22

So this is when alarm bells started ringing.

0:35:230:35:26

Assuming it was a mistake, Claire called her phone company,

0:35:260:35:30

which insisted that a series of calls had been made from her phone

0:35:300:35:33

throughout the night before Christmas,

0:35:330:35:36

all to the same very expensive 0843 number.

0:35:360:35:39

We've got one at 21.11 on Christmas Eve,

0:35:400:35:45

and then 23.11, as well on Christmas Eve,

0:35:450:35:49

so each phone call was £49,

0:35:490:35:53

£44, £44, £44.

0:35:530:35:56

£44, and then the last one was £30,

0:35:560:36:00

and it also gives you a service charge as well of £5.56 each time.

0:36:000:36:03

There was a total of six calls on the bill,

0:36:030:36:06

each starting at two-hourly intervals, with the last call at 5.11

0:36:060:36:10

on Christmas morning.

0:36:100:36:12

When I saw the times on the bill, I just could not believe it.

0:36:120:36:15

Anyone in their right mind that's ringing a premium number

0:36:150:36:18

for that amount of time on Christmas Day, you know,

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it's a definite no-no. I wouldn't do that.

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And when the number appears to belong to a PPI claims service,

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it does seem especially unlikely that Claire would have

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deliberately made those calls.

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Now, she does recall seeing a missed call from that same 0843 number

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during Christmas Eve,

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but she's adamant that at the time the bill says she

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was on the phone, she was either celebrating Christmas Eve

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with her family or fast asleep in bed.

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I was quite relieved, really, that it was on such a memorable day

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that I knew exactly what I was doing.

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I know for definite that that phone was on its own, on a charger,

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in the bedroom all that time.

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We've spoken to numerous people

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who've been billed sizeable sums for calls

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that they're sure that they've never made.

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Even industry regulator Ofcom got involved to investigate what could

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possibly have happened,

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and plenty of newspapers have also picked up on what they call

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a fake call scam with reports of dozens of people

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who found themselves in the same situation...

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including Oriel Ross Wardell from Hull,

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who was charged £289 for a phone call

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that she insists was made while

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her phone was shut away in a drawer at home.

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Gillian Innes, a care worker from Ripon,

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received a bill for nearly £180, ten times her usual monthly charge,

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following a call to an 0845 number that she too is sure she never made.

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And Hazel Brown from Surrey,

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who had three witnesses to prove she was not on the phone during

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a seven-hour call that cost £211.

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Well, it's not clear exactly what's gone on,

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but one theory is that someone could be hiring out 0845 or 0843 numbers,

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setting them up with high fees for incoming calls,

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and then here's the clever bit,

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very sneakily hacking into people's Smartphones and programming them to

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automatically call back if there's

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a missed call from their particular numbers.

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Well, it's terrifying stuff,

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but it isn't necessarily the explanation

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for what happened to Claire.

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To see if we could help shed any more light on the mystery,

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we asked CCL Solutions,

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a company that specialises in analysing the data on mobile phones,

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to take a look at Claire's handset.

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We can recover a whole range of information

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about the usage of the phone,

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the software installed on the phone,

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deleted data as well.

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So it helps us really build up a big picture of how the phone was being

0:38:400:38:44

used, and we can timeline events.

0:38:440:38:46

CCL put Claire's phone through a series of rigorous tests,

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but there was no evidence it had been hacked by scammers or indeed

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of any other rogue phone activity.

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We didn't find any evidence that

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there were any malicious applications on the phone,

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so it's quite difficult to conclude why that call or those calls

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were made, or indeed what made them.

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Except the team did make a discovery that opens up another possibility.

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The phone bill showed a series of two-hour calls,

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whereas the phone itself showed a single call of 11 hours.

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In other words, while the bill lists the calls as separate,

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there may have been just one very long call,

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which makes it more feasible that Claire might perhaps

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have redialled the number of her missed call by mistake.

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I think the fact that it was a single call

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as opposed to multiple calls

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makes it more likely that it was probably an accidental dial,

0:39:400:39:43

but if the user is confident that they did not make those calls

0:39:430:39:48

or that call, and we can't find any evidence

0:39:480:39:52

of any malicious applications or any malicious activity,

0:39:520:39:55

then I think it's safe to say it's a mystery.

0:39:550:40:00

But certainly, as far as Claire's phone company is concerned,

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these situations generally are caused by...

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It has confirmed, as our expert suspected,

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that there was simply one 11-hour call made to that 0843 number,

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explaining that the bill suggested otherwise

0:40:190:40:21

because the company's billing system refreshes

0:40:210:40:24

call records every two hours.

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In common with other phone companies,

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it regards the behaviour of whoever is making these missed calls as

0:40:290:40:32

fraudulent and actively blocks the numbers involved

0:40:320:40:35

as soon as it becomes aware of them.

0:40:350:40:37

So while it recommends caution when returning any missed calls

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from a number you don't know,

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in case it too has unexpected extra costs,

0:40:430:40:45

it has in this case refunded Claire the cost of the call.

0:40:450:40:49

Of course that's great news for her,

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but there's one simple way anyone can ensure they're not landed with

0:40:510:40:54

unexpected sky-high bills,

0:40:540:40:56

whether it's because a scammer has got your number

0:40:560:40:59

or you've unwittingly made a call from your pocket.

0:40:590:41:02

Call your mobile phone service provider

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and ask them to put a cap on your usage,

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so that you don't get any surprises when the bill comes

0:41:070:41:10

at the end of the month.

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If you have a story you'd like us to investigate,

0:41:160:41:19

then you can get in touch with us via our Facebook page...

0:41:190:41:22

Our website is...

0:41:240:41:26

Or you can e-mail us at...

0:41:280:41:33

And, of course, you can always send us a letter to our postal address...

0:41:330:41:37

You know something, I love a good old detective story,

0:41:500:41:53

and a lot of the e-mails and letters that you send us start in exactly

0:41:530:41:56

that way - with a situation that doesn't seem to make any sense

0:41:560:41:59

whatsoever, and you want us to help work out what exactly has gone on.

0:41:590:42:03

But sometimes, as we've seen, there is a reasonable explanation,

0:42:030:42:07

but in other cases those first impressions were totally correct

0:42:070:42:11

and it was really all down to an ingenious scam.

0:42:110:42:14

Well, the team here is always ready,

0:42:140:42:17

waiting and really eager to get stuck into even more of those

0:42:170:42:20

seemingly inexplicable situations,

0:42:200:42:23

so if you've lost out but can't for the life of you fathom out

0:42:230:42:26

what's happened, do let us know,

0:42:260:42:28

because even if we can't help get your money back,

0:42:280:42:31

we may at least be able to unravel the truth,

0:42:310:42:33

and, of course, that means that we can

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stop others from falling into similar traps.

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In the meantime,

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we hope you've picked up some useful tips to help steer you well clear of

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situations that either really are a scam

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or simply look as if they might be.

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But that's all we've got time for for today.

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Thanks very much for joining us.

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-Till the next time, from all of us here, goodbye.

-Goodbye.

-Bye-bye.

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