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We asked you to tell us what's left you feeling ripped off, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
and you contacted us in your thousands. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
You've told us about the companies you think get it wrong and the | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
customer service that simply is not up to scratch. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
It would seem that, once they've got your money, they're not | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
particularly interested in coming back to you or to give you | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
satisfactory customer service. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:19 | |
You've asked us to track down the scammers who stole your money and | 0:00:19 | 0:00:23 | |
investigate the extra charges you say are unfair. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
I think prices are going up and no-one's actually doing anything to | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
improve that. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:30 | |
And when you've lost out but no-one else is to blame, | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
you've come to us to stop others falling into the same trap. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
You just get to the point it's - "No, leave me alone!" | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
So, whether it's a blatant rip-off or a genuine mistake... | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
We're here to find out why you're out of pocket and what you can do | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
about it. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:47 | |
Your stories, your money. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
This is Rip-Off Britain. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
Hello, and thank you so much for joining us once again | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
on Rip-Off Britain where, one way or another, all the stories we're | 0:00:58 | 0:01:02 | |
investigating today are about value for money and, | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
in particular, that old chestnut of whether it's true that you get what | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
you pay for, either by spending more or indeed by paying out less. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
Because when we're comparing prices, very often, | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
we still like to think that a higher one may be an indication of quality, | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
particularly, of course, if it comes with the reassurance of a | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
better-known brand name. But is that always the case? | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
Well, to find out, we've done some tests on an item that's used by | 0:01:26 | 0:01:30 | |
every single one of us, and I think that what we've discovered could | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
well change the way that you decide to shop in the future. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
Meanwhile, at the other end of the scale, I bet we've all sometimes | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
wondered if paying a lower price | 0:01:40 | 0:01:41 | |
might turn out to be a false economy. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
Well, that's most definitely the case with the situation that | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
quite a few of you have contacted us about. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
Here, the goods in question may not just simply be poor value, | 0:01:49 | 0:01:53 | |
they could turn out to be downright dangerous. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
Coming up, the door-to-door mattress | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
scams conning households right across the country. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
As soon as we realised exactly how defective the item was and | 0:02:03 | 0:02:08 | |
realised that we had been scammed, we were just bitterly disappointed. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:13 | |
We felt stupid that we'd been taken in. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
And is it worth squeezing out more pennies for your toothpaste? | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
We test an own brand against a big brand to see if paying extra | 0:02:20 | 0:02:24 | |
is really worth it. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:26 | |
It'll be interesting, I think, | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
to see if the cheap toothpaste did as well as the expensive one, | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
and would just prove that it isn't always price that counts. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:37 | |
I think it's fair to say that there's rarely a good time | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
for a door-to-door salesman to come calling. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
It's likely you're either in the middle of something or you're | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
simply not interested in whatever it is they're trying to offer anyway. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
But, sometimes, | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
their patter really does make a deal appear just too good to miss, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
and what they're selling appears so cheap, it seems silly to refuse. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
Well, one man contacted us after being talked into just that sort of | 0:03:01 | 0:03:06 | |
opportunity, but it didn't take long for him to start worrying if the | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
particular item that he'd ended up with wasn't simply poor quality but | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
quite possibly dangerous, too. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
And, as we looked into his story, | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
it quickly became apparent that dozens more of you have fallen into | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
exactly the same trap, | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
finding yourselves lumbered with a purchase that's supposed to help | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
with counting sheep but that, | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
instead, has left you counting the pounds that you've lost. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
Most of us will spend a third of our lives asleep. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
It's time that's vital for our minds and bodies to rest, | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
but whether you'll have a good night's sleep is, at least in part, | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
down to the quality of your mattress. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
It's often recommended that you have a new one every eight years, | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
so 81-year-old Margaret Bruff was perhaps due an upgrade when, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
in the spring of 2015, a salesman came knocking at her door, | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
offering to sell her a mattress that | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
could hardly have come better recommended. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
He came in and he said, | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
talking about mattresses, "How long have you had it?" | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
I said, "17 years". | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
He says, "Oh, you want this nice one, the Queen has it." | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
But even with that supposed royal seal of approval, | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
Margaret wasn't yet convinced that she wanted to buy a mattress, until, | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
that is, the salesman from the company calling itself Active Living | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
told her that he'd been sent by social services, | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
which was sure that she did need a new one | 0:04:33 | 0:04:35 | |
and that it would cost £795. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
Well, he said it was that price. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:40 | |
I thought, "Oh, it will be good," you know, with the Queen having one. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:45 | |
So, Margaret ordered the mattress and handed over a cheque, | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
but son-in-law Dave wasn't happy | 0:04:49 | 0:04:51 | |
when he found out how much she'd spent. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
I thought £795 for a mattress was a bit dear, because you can go into | 0:04:54 | 0:05:00 | |
the shops and probably get the | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
same mattress for probably half of the price. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
Reassured, however, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
by the fact that the company hadn't tried to pressure Margaret into | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
paying by cash, and by the way that the paperwork looked entirely | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
legitimate, there seemed no other obvious cause for concern. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:19 | |
I would fall for it myself. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
It has got the terms and conditions | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
on the back of the document. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
It's all signed by a proper adviser who had come out. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
The proper price is on, the proper address is on. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
Everything seems so genuine. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
But all that changed when, two weeks later, | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
the delivery date passed without a mattress, | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
and repeated attempts to contact the company came to nothing. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
-RECORDED MESSAGE: -The number you have called is not recognised. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
Please check the number and dial again. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
The contact number was bogus, the website address was fake, | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
there was no genuine UK-based company called Active Living that | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
sold mattresses, and a call to social services confirmed that | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
they'd certainly not sent anyone round. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
The whole thing had been a scam. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
It does seem as though the company has just disappeared off | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
the face of the earth. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
Margaret was left nearly £800 out of pocket and very upset. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
They're rogues, aren't they? Really nasty rogues. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
I'd knock his block off, if I could. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
The whole family was equally furious. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
Margaret's daughters felt disgusted because these people can go into an | 0:06:31 | 0:06:37 | |
old age pensioner's house, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
tell them this story and take a lot of money off them, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:44 | |
and they felt upset and hurt for Margaret. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
It makes you feel angry, to think they've robbed you of your money. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
I mean, you need it these days, the price of everything. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
When Margaret informed the local police in Derbyshire, | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
she discovered that, far from being a one-off, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
scams related to door-to-door mattress sellers are actually a | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
recognised problem right across the country. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
And it's clear, from all the e-mails that we've had on this, | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
that there can be a number of different ways that they can work. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
While Margaret was simply tricked out of her cash, many others, | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
including Charles from near Lytham in Lancashire, | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
have at least ended up with something for their money, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
even if it's not quite what they'd bargained for. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
In Charles's case, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
the salesman who pulled up on his drive said he was from a company | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
called Luxury Dreams, based in Dewsbury, west Yorkshire, | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
and not to be confused with any other companies of a similar name. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:38 | |
The van was branded with the company logo and, almost immediately, | 0:07:38 | 0:07:44 | |
the guy presented us with a card, and it gave the business address. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:49 | |
It said that the company supplied not only to | 0:07:49 | 0:07:55 | |
private individuals, but also to hotels and bed-and-breakfasts. | 0:07:55 | 0:08:01 | |
Charles and his wife were about to move house, so it seemed a perfect | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
time to change the mattress that they'd had for quite some time. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
When you looked in the back door of the van, you saw that these looked | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
to be brand-new mattresses in pristine condition, and they also | 0:08:12 | 0:08:19 | |
had labelling, | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
which purported to show that these really were | 0:08:22 | 0:08:27 | |
top-quality, all-singing, all-dancing mattresses. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
Better still, they were apparently being sold at less than half price, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
so Charles plumped for one costing £250, | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
and was so excited, he tried it out, there and then. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
The mattress was so comfortable that we could almost have fallen asleep | 0:08:43 | 0:08:47 | |
outside the house and, for the money, | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
seemed a really, really good deal. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
We were very excited, actually, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
that we'd managed to get what felt to be such a luxurious mattress for | 0:08:54 | 0:08:59 | |
half of what we should be paying. It felt really good. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
After a quick dash to the cash machine to pay the salesman, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
Charles looked forward to testing out the mattress properly and, | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
while at first he was delighted, I'm afraid that didn't last. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
We had a perfect night's sleep. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
It just felt really good and we were really happy. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
Same, second. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
Within the week, probably on the third day, | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
we realised that something had gone sadly wrong. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:30 | |
The mattress began to collapse on one side. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:35 | |
And it wasn't long before the whole mattress started to collapse. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
Within the week, the same thing had happened on the other side. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:49 | |
That had begun collapsing in on itself. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
The height was reduced to about two-thirds | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
of what it had been at the time of purchase. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
It clearly wasn't the top-quality mattress that the salesman | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
had promised. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:05 | |
As soon as we realised exactly how defective the item was and | 0:10:05 | 0:10:10 | |
realised that we had been scammed, we were just bitterly disappointed. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:16 | |
We felt stupid, that we'd been taken in. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
But many, many others right across the UK have also been taken in, | 0:10:20 | 0:10:25 | |
so much so that councils as far apart as Devon, Derby, Enfield, | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
Norfolk and Wiltshire have issued warnings about | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
dodgy mattress sellers operating in their areas. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
And in Devon and Somerset, | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
the number of reported cases has increased tenfold since 2014. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:42 | |
The Local Government Association has issued warnings about buying | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
mattresses from these kind of salesmen, | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
and not just because some of them might collapse, as Charles's did. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
There are others that may be too lumpy or, more worrying, | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
have no fire resistance. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:55 | |
As for the mattress that Charles bought, well, | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
it was sold as a top-of-the-range orthopaedic one, | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
but its rapid collapse suggests it's nothing of the kind. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
So we took it to be tested at the | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
Furniture Industry Research Association in Stevenage, | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
where I met managing director Phil Reynolds. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
Phil, we're surrounded by some | 0:11:17 | 0:11:18 | |
-really impressive and noisy robots here! -Yeah. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
What exactly do you do in this building? | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
Well, in the building, we're testing all types of furniture for | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
manufacturers and retailers to check that they meet current British | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
standards and legislation so that they're suitably strong and durable | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
enough to use. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
All the furniture we buy should have been rigorously tested, | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
and that means mattresses can be pounded up to 30,000 times | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
to check their durability. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
Let's see if that could have been the case with the one that | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
Charles bought. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:50 | |
Well, even from here, Phil, I can see that, and even a layman | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
can see that there's not a lot of support just here. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
-I mean, it's virtually hollow, isn't it? -Yes. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
You do that, it just completely collapses. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
And when we look just here, look, we've got a very fancy-looking | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
label on here, it says an orthopaedic memory foam. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
You would expect that to mean that there is something special about the | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
way that the mattress responds to your body and supports your body, | 0:12:13 | 0:12:17 | |
-wouldn't you? -You would. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
Unfortunately, the word orthopaedic has no real definition in the | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
mattress industry, so it's a term that's widely used for a whole | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
variety of different mattresses that perform very differently. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
There's no real regulation on that particular word. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
Really? I think a lot of people will be surprised to hear that. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
'Time to find out exactly what this mattress is made of.' | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
So, shall we cut it open and see what's going on? | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
-OK, let's have a look. -OK. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
Barry's cutting through the mattress quite easily, | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
which probably suggests the layers are quite thin. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
Very quickly, we can see that there are just very thin layers of foam | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
before the springs. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
Well, I'm no expert, but it doesn't look like a top-end mattress to me. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
So, is this what you expected to see inside this, | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
considering that the whole mattress appears to have collapsed after just | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
-three days? -The description on the label is maybe slightly | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
misrepresentative of what's there, yeah. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
Yes. Why do you think that, after three days, this collapsed? | 0:13:13 | 0:13:18 | |
I think that's primarily because there's no sidewall to the mattress. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
There's nothing to support the edges of the mattress. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
So the natural movement to get in and out | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
of a bed is to swivel on to the edge of the mattress and here, | 0:13:28 | 0:13:33 | |
with no sidewall to add stiffness, it's just collapsing. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:37 | |
Charles had hoped that his £250 had bagged him a bargain. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
Clearly, though, he was ripped off, and this is a really cheap mattress, | 0:13:42 | 0:13:47 | |
but at least there's one consolation. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
Applying a gas flame to check its flammability proves that, | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
while it may be poor quality, it isn't a fire risk. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
So, I suppose, from that point of view, we can say that there was | 0:13:57 | 0:14:01 | |
at least one of those labels which | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
-was accurate in that it said on the side... -Yes. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
In fact, it's on that piece of the mattress that we're trying to burn | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
-there... -Yes. -..that it is fire retardant. -Yeah. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
Sadly, the same can't be said for all mattresses being sold | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
door-to-door, some of which in fact the authorities have described as | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
"potential fireballs". | 0:14:20 | 0:14:21 | |
Well, we tried to contact Luxury Dreams at its Dewsbury address. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:26 | |
As yet, we've had no response. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
But the advice, when shopping for a new mattress, is really very simple. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
Phil, presumably, the most important piece of information is never buy | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
from some bloke who turns up offering you mattresses off the back | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
of a lorry or out of the back of a van? | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
I personally would not buy a mattress off the back of a lorry | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
for that sort of price. I'd always recommend that somebody goes to a | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
reputable retailer, so that, if you do have a problem, you can make a | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
complaint, have it exchanged or refunded or even inspected by a | 0:14:53 | 0:14:58 | |
qualified inspector to check to see | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
whether there's a problem or manufacturing defect. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
And, back at home near Lytham, | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
Charles would be sleeping more soundly if he'd bought his mattress | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
from a proper store rather than off the back of a van. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
With the benefit of hindsight, it's a very embarrassing thing | 0:15:13 | 0:15:19 | |
to admit that you have | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
been ripped off in this particular way, | 0:15:22 | 0:15:26 | |
but I would be very, | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
very reluctant to buy a mattress | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
from out the back of a van at any time in the future. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
Now, whether you're after a winning smile, | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
fresher breath, or you just want to protect your teeth from decay, | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
you'll have seen dozens of toothpastes out there that promise | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
that they can do all these things and indeed more. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:52 | |
In fact, there's such a dazzling array of products on the shelves, | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
each making claims as to why theirs is the one to go for but, actually, | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
it's quite hard to know which one to choose. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
So we've done some toothpaste tests and, if you've ever wondered whether | 0:16:01 | 0:16:05 | |
it's worth splashing out a bit more for a big brand making bold promises | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
or if you might as well just plump | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
for the cheapest variety, well, we have got the answers. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
Brushing your teeth twice a day is one of the very first life lessons | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
we're taught and, whilst that advice may not have changed very much since | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
these films were made, the range and type of toothpaste on sale | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
certainly has. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:29 | |
You'll find dozens of different brands and varieties, | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
promising all sorts of benefits. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
And with the price of similar-looking tubes anything from | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
50p to £5, it's easy to wonder if choosing the pricier options might | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
mean you're pouring your money right down the drain. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
And that's definitely something Rip-Off Britain viewer Robert Bagley | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
from Tamworth had pondered on after paying £5 for a tube of paste, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
and it left him feeling rather down in the mouth. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
I was suffering with some sensitivity in my teeth, and I saw a | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
brand-new toothpaste advertised on television, where they were | 0:17:00 | 0:17:04 | |
demonstrating people actually using | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
the toothpaste then being able to put an ice cube in their mouth. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:12 | |
Hoping that this toothpaste would provide some sort of relief to his | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
sensitive teeth, the very next day Robert bought some. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
So I used the toothpaste until I'd used it all up, | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
and I had no beneficial effects from the toothpaste, | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
in relation to my sensitivity. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
I thought I'd wasted money and that I didn't feel any benefit from it, | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
my teeth were just as sensitive. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
I couldn't rinse my mouth out with cold water, | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
I couldn't drink a hot drink, I had to wait for it to cool down. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
So, Robert went back to the shops and bought another brand of | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
toothpaste that also claimed it could treat his problematic pegs, | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
but at a fraction of the price. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
I used that and I did get benefits from it. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
I could actually rinse my mouth out with cold water | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
after a while of using it. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
Now, there could be all sorts of reasons why, on this occasion, | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
Robert found the cheaper paste had a better result, but it got him | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
wondering whether paying more for toothpaste is ever really worth it. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
So he contacted us to help him find out, and, of course, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
it was a question we were only too happy to get our teeth into. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
I'd like to get to the bottom of actually what these toothpastes do | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
and why they should be more expensive, | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
and if they are necessary to have the more expensive brands to get | 0:18:27 | 0:18:31 | |
clean teeth and to preserve your teeth. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
Good point. So we took Robert to meet microbiologist Angela Davies, | 0:18:34 | 0:18:39 | |
to see if she can explain what makes one brand of toothpaste different | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
from the next, and ultimately whether the difference in | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
ingredients is worth shelling out more for. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
She's going to do some tests, to see how a cheap toothpaste | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
performs in comparison to a more expensive one. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
And by the way, | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
we're not measuring if our samples do anything elaborate or, | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
as in Robert's case, if they ease the pain from sensitive teeth. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
Angela's going to be checking something much simpler - | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
how effective these toothpastes are | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
at killing the bacteria in Robert's mouth - the key to preventing | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
tooth decay. In other words, how well they clean his teeth. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
And I'll just take a swab from there. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
At Angela's request, Robert hasn't yet brushed his teeth this morning, | 0:19:18 | 0:19:22 | |
so his mouth is full of the germs that have built up overnight, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
and taking a sample of that will | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
give an idea of just how much bacteria the toothpaste remove. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
So what that will show us is how | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
many bacteria you've got in your mouth before we do the clean. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
-Yeah. -OK, so if we take... | 0:19:38 | 0:19:40 | |
if you pick up the toothbrush for me, Robert. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
Angela asked Robert to clean one side of his mouth with a supermarket | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
brand toothpaste, costing 50p for a 100ml tube, and a new toothbrush. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:55 | |
Then with another new toothbrush, | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
he then cleans the left side of his teeth | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
with a branded paste at £1.24. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
That's two and a half times as much for the same size tube. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
But price is the only real difference between the two. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
That aside, both toothpastes appear to contain the same key ingredients. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
So, to see what this means for their performance, | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
Angela then carefully swabs each side of Robert's mouth, | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
to see what bacteria has been left over on each side, | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
and whether one toothpaste has killed any more than the other. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
It will be interesting, I think, | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
to see if the cheap toothpaste did as well as the expensive one, | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
and will just prove that it isn't always price that counts. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:37 | |
The samples will be grown overnight, but whilst Robert is here, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
he's very keen to find out more about what goes into his toothpaste | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
and how exactly those ingredients work. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
Are all toothpastes the same? | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
They all seem to have different claims. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
All toothpastes have a few key ingredients. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:56 | |
They all contain things like silica or some form of abrasive chemical, | 0:20:56 | 0:21:01 | |
which removes the debris and the bacteria from your mouth. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
They contain a detergent or a soapy chemical, which cleans your teeth. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:11 | |
What's the most important one? | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
I'd say the most important ingredient is the active fluoride, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:18 | |
and that's there really to help prevent | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
tooth decay, by way of improving the enamel on your teeth. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:26 | |
So it actually has a benefit. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
24 hours later, and the samples from Robert's teeth cleaning test are in. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:34 | |
These first samples show how much | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
bacteria was on Robert's teeth before he brushed that morning. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
The petri dish shows plenty of bacteria, not all harmful, | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
but which, if left, would build up and cause decay. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:48 | |
But once he brushed with the cheaper brand, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
it's clear to see that some bacteria has been removed by brushing. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
On the supermarket own brand, you get a little bit of a reduction. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
As for the sample taken from the side of Robert's mouth that was | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
cleaned with the more expensive branded toothpaste, | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
well, it certainly hasn't had the double effect. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
The results aren't particularly different. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
If we compare both, they're very, very similar. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:15 | |
So even though it's only a slight | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
reduction, they're very similar. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
Angela's positive that, | 0:22:19 | 0:22:21 | |
with the amount of bacteria, | 0:22:21 | 0:22:22 | |
the toothpastes have killed about the same. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
It will also be true of their | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
effectiveness in protecting | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
teeth against decay. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:29 | |
From that, it's inconclusive as to whether it's worth paying | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
the extra money for it. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
Absolutely. There's no real advantage from the small test sample | 0:22:33 | 0:22:38 | |
that we've done to say that one is better than the other. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
Now, from other tests Angela's done on colleagues, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
it does seem that you may well get a cleaning blitz from using toothpaste | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
containing bicarbonate of soda, | 0:22:49 | 0:22:51 | |
which showed a significant reduction of bacteria in the mouth. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
But she remains unconvinced that that justifies paying what could be | 0:22:54 | 0:22:58 | |
a significant extra cost. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
As far as she's concerned, | 0:23:01 | 0:23:02 | |
whilst bicarbonate of soda will help remove the bacteria, | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
it's only fluoride that has a long-term benefit on dental health. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
And so, there's little benefit really in choosing an expensive | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
paste, when even a bargain basement | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
50p tube will do the key job just as well. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
And when Robert goes to see Angela's colleague, | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
chemist Dr Daniel Bernie, it's clear that he agrees. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
It seems that cheaper toothpastes have all the same ingredients as | 0:23:27 | 0:23:32 | |
the dearer ones, and probably do just as good a job, | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
as long as you really brush your teeth really well. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
Supermarket toothpastes have got all the ingredients in there that you | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
need to get clean teeth. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
Some of the expensive ones may have different versions of those | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
chemicals, but they're still doing a similar job. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
So price is not a guide, really, to the effectiveness of the toothpaste? | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
All the toothpastes will clean your teeth, | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
they've all got ingredients in there that clean your teeth adequately. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
They'll all remove bacteria, | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
as long as you're brushing for your two minutes, | 0:24:03 | 0:24:05 | |
and your lifestyle is as such that you're not drinking a lot of sugary | 0:24:05 | 0:24:09 | |
drinks, you're not eating lots of food that will stain your teeth, | 0:24:09 | 0:24:14 | |
all the toothpastes will be good at cleaning your teeth. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
So, it seems that Robert was right to wonder if there's any benefit in | 0:24:18 | 0:24:22 | |
spending extra on a more expensive toothpaste. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
The key to good, healthy gnashers is more to do with diet and how you | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
brush your teeth, and not so much | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
about the cost of the product that helps you do it. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
I think I've learned that most toothpastes will do the job, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
irrespective of their price, and price is no guide, really, | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
to what the toothpaste will do for you, | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
as a basic toothpaste will work as well as the more expensive ones. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:50 | |
Still to come on Rip-Off Britain... | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
The bride unhappy at how quickly the designer shoes she'd splashed out on | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
lost their sparkle. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
I noticed that my shoes were damaged and the glitter's all come off, | 0:25:05 | 0:25:10 | |
and I just suddenly felt really heartbroken. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
'Once again we've opened up our pop-up shop in one of the biggest | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
'shopping centres in the UK.' | 0:25:21 | 0:25:23 | |
Yay! | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
And while the three of us spent a fair amount of time | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
-having our pictures taken... -May we have one picture, please? | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
Yes, you can. I tell you what, you can have a picture. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
..mostly, it was very much down to business with our team of consumer | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
experts, tackling more of your issues than ever before. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
Amongst those popping in to see us | 0:25:41 | 0:25:42 | |
were Rosemary Wilkinson and her husband Gary. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
They were looking for advice about a piece of technology that they'd | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
bought back in 2012. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
Now, I know that both of you have travelled from Leeds to be with us | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
-today at the centre. -Yes. -Obviously David is your expert today, | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
-but what's the problem? -I've a problem with my e-reader. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
When I tried to download some new books that I bought online, | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
they just wouldn't download. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
So eventually I contacted customer services, | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
and they went through a process of "Try this, try that," and it didn't | 0:26:10 | 0:26:14 | |
work, so they said they'd put me in touch with their technical team. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
'And that is when the problems really started. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
'After following instructions to reset her device, | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
'Rosemary thinks she's lost all her downloaded books.' | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
-So everything's wiped? -It was wiped, all the content was wiped. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
-So you were in a worse position after they'd helped you... -Yes. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
..than you were before you engaged with them? | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
Yes, which was the problem, which I kept trying to re-explain to people. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
-When did this all start happening? -It was last August. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
Last summer... | 0:26:41 | 0:26:43 | |
-Yes. -..the company rolled out a new software update to all of its older | 0:26:43 | 0:26:48 | |
devices, which looking at the age of yours, yours would be included in. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
And it was a mandatory update, | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
and if you didn't install that update on to the e-reader, | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
then it would stop working. So what I want to check, if you've got it | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
with you, is the version of the software that's on there... | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
-Yes. -..and whether that has or hasn't been updated. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
Hey, watch this space! | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
Well, after doing a series of tests, | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
David had to conclude Rosemary's e-reader was beyond repair. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
But don't worry, there was also good news. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
The books that you've purchased, | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
quite a lot of books that you've purchased over the years, | 0:27:20 | 0:27:22 | |
-you haven't lost those. -Right. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:24 | |
So they are still in your online lending library, | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
and were you to buy another one of this brand of e-reader, then you'd | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
be able to re-download those books to your new e-reader again. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
Oh, right, now I didn't realise that. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
And the other good thing is that, if you were to use a tablet, for | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
example, or even want to read books on your desktop, | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
on your laptop or whatever, you can also read those books from there. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
-Oh, right, OK. -So all is not lost. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
Well, thank you, David. Thank you, Gloria. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
Thanks very much indeed. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:52 | |
Now, a new face in our team of experts this year | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
was cybercrime and fraud solicitor Arun Chauhan. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
Angela's found a quiet moment just to pick his brains. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
Arun, we do get an awful lot of correspondence from people who say | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
that they've been the victims of cybercrime. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
How prevalent is it? | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
Well, at the moment, the Office of National Statistics has said the | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
most prevalent crime in this country is fraud and cybercrime. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
About 85% of people are worried about cybercrime. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
Less than 15% feel safe online, | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
so it's a real big issue now for every walk of life, | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
every day-to-day business. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:25 | |
The most common way to get caught remains by e-mail, | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
so Arun has some very sound first steps to safety, | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
if you receive anything that you're unsure about. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:33 | |
At the moment there's a really useful campaign out called | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
Take Five - Stop Fraud, and it's available online. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:38 | |
It gives some really helpful tips. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:40 | |
Essentially, at the heart of it is just take five minutes to have a | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
little think about what you're being asked to do. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
Stand back and have a careful consideration about, | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
do you know the person who's writing to you? | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
Is there a reason why they'd be writing to you? | 0:28:50 | 0:28:52 | |
And who are they? | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
Of course, many scam e-mails appear to be from trusted institutions, | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
asking for personal details. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
On that, Arun's message is very simple. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
You won't be asked by your bank to give sensitive information online, | 0:29:02 | 0:29:06 | |
they won't ask you to give your passwords, | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
they won't ask you to tell them your date of birth. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
That won't be asked of you, and if someone's asking you for that, | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
steer well clear. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:15 | |
In another part of the shopping centre, we set up our Gripe Corner, | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
where anyone could come along and | 0:29:19 | 0:29:21 | |
get all their consumer issues off their chest. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:23 | |
First up, it's train fares. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:25 | |
It's very unfair on the people who have to use season tickets and then | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
have to sit on the floor. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
What really annoys me is bad customer service. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
Companies are quick enough to take your money, | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
but as soon as something goes wrong, they'll run a mile. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
Cold calling. Having worked all day, you're sat at home, relaxing, | 0:29:38 | 0:29:42 | |
and it's constant. Where do they get the numbers from? | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
Now, how often on this programme | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
have you heard us talk about reading the small print? | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
We're always banging on about it because we know how those | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
pesky little terms and conditions can come back to bite you in almost | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
every element of everyday life. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:02 | |
But who'd have thought that could happen over glamorous and expensive | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
shoes? Well, that's exactly what happened to one bride | 0:30:06 | 0:30:10 | |
on her wedding day, who found that her specially chosen pair from one | 0:30:10 | 0:30:14 | |
of the best-known names in the luxury business were looking rather | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
worse for wear just hours after she'd first put them on. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
But when she complained, she was told that she simply hadn't followed | 0:30:20 | 0:30:24 | |
the instructions on how to wear them. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:26 | |
Well, that led her to wonder if her fancy footwear really was made for | 0:30:26 | 0:30:30 | |
walking, and so she got in touch with us to help her find out. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:34 | |
Whether it's sky-high stilettos or trendy trainers, | 0:30:36 | 0:30:40 | |
you can tell a lot about a person from the style of shoes they wear. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
And judging by the people we spoke to, many of you could give | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
Imelda Marcos a run for her money. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:51 | |
-How many pairs of shoes and boots do you own? -Probably...75. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:59 | |
Can I ask you how many pairs of shoes you think you own? | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
-Probably about 50. -Would you ever be prepared to pay as much as £300 for | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
-a pair of shoes? -Yeah. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:11 | |
Yeah. What would they have to be if you were prepared to pay that much? | 0:31:11 | 0:31:15 | |
They'd have to be designer, obviously. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:17 | |
-Yeah? -I've just bought a pair for that much. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
-Have you?! -Yeah. -Having spent all that much money on your shoes, | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
-how long do you expect them to last you? -Forever. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
Well, forever may be slightly pushing it, | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
but when bride-to-be Fiona White from Blackpool picked out the shoes | 0:31:30 | 0:31:34 | |
for her wedding, she was aiming for quality. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
Oh, look. Shoes! | 0:31:37 | 0:31:38 | |
And she thought she'd found just the pair she wanted. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
-Jimmy Choo, again. There. -Wow. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:45 | |
I'd been looking online for quite a lot of different brands, | 0:31:45 | 0:31:49 | |
and looking for the right one for me. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:53 | |
And Jimmy Choo was love at first sight. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
Jimmy Choo is one of the best-known luxury shoe brands, | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
and as you can see from this promotional video, | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
the company positions itself very much at the top end of the market, | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
both in terms of price and aspiration. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
Now, the shoes Fiona fell for from the brand's 24/7 range are described | 0:32:11 | 0:32:16 | |
on the website as "everyday luxury". | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
So Fiona felt sure that they'd see her through her wedding day | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
and beyond. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
I fell in love with it, and I just... | 0:32:25 | 0:32:26 | |
"Oh, wow, this gorgeous design." And even the heel and the colour, | 0:32:26 | 0:32:31 | |
the glitters, everything looked amazing. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:33 | |
It makes you feel like you're Cinderella! | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
But whilst Fiona may have felt like Cinderella, | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
the £450 price tag left her | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
mother-in-law Carolyn feeling rather more shellshocked. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
There was a little bit of a sharp intake of breath when I | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
found out how much those shoes cost. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
But at the end of the day, | 0:32:51 | 0:32:52 | |
I saw first-hand just how much they meant to her. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:56 | |
And when the wedding day dawned, | 0:32:58 | 0:33:00 | |
having planned her outfit so meticulously, | 0:33:00 | 0:33:02 | |
Fiona felt just as special as she'd hoped. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
Oh, look at those, the shoes. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:09 | |
You hadn't even had them on your feet when that was taken. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
Everything looks perfect. I feel like a princess. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
And with my prince, wearing the bestest shoes in the world. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
But it wasn't long into the reception when Fiona realised that | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
her fairy-tale shoes were starting to lose their sparkle. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
I noticed that my shoes was damaged, and the glitter's all come off. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:33 | |
And just suddenly felt really heartbroken. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:36 | |
After what Fiona and her mother-in-law say was only about six | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
hours of wear, the designer footwear | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
didn't seem to be going the distance. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
Both of my Jimmy Choo, the glitters on the edge is coming off. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:52 | |
So I lost a big amount of glitters here. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:56 | |
And it's damaged on the edge, and also the seam was open, here. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:02 | |
So I really believe that the quality is just not good enough. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
And then the other one, same. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:07 | |
Having spent so much money on the shoes, Fiona felt thoroughly upset. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:13 | |
It's quite ruin of my day in the end, to be honest, because, | 0:34:13 | 0:34:17 | |
you know, that's expensive shoes I've ever had. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
This is not just £20 shoes from the high street, this is a Jimmy Choo. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:26 | |
And mother-in-law Carolyn was equally dismayed. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
Irrespective of how much the shoes were, | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
the fact that they were so badly damaged after six hours of careful | 0:34:32 | 0:34:37 | |
wear tells me that not only are they not of merchantable quality, | 0:34:37 | 0:34:42 | |
but they're definitely not fit for purpose. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
So as soon as they could after the wedding, | 0:34:45 | 0:34:47 | |
the pair took the shoes back to where they'd bought them, | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
a branch of Selfridges in Manchester. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
The store itself refused a refund, | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
and instead sent the shoes off to the manufacturer, Jimmy Choo, | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
to get its opinion. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
But when that arrived two months later, | 0:35:00 | 0:35:02 | |
Fiona wasn't at all happy with the company's response. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
'The shoes are not defective from production, | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
'and the issue to the shoes is classed as wear and tear | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
'or accidental damage.' | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
Now, I would've thought that | 0:35:15 | 0:35:19 | |
a pair of shoes, especially at that price, should've been | 0:35:19 | 0:35:24 | |
almost perfect after six hours of wear. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:29 | |
The company pointed out that the | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
shoe is sold with a care guide, stating that, | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
"a small amount of glitter may be lost with initial use," | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
and wearers should "avoid contact with rain and ground water, | 0:35:37 | 0:35:41 | |
"which may damage the glitter." | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
But as Fiona insists she'd only walked outside briefly on her | 0:35:44 | 0:35:46 | |
wedding day, she feels very strongly | 0:35:46 | 0:35:48 | |
that she had looked after the shoes according to the instructions. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:52 | |
What's more, after paying £450, | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
she was expecting them to withstand more than six hours of wear. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
And feeling Jimmy Choo and Selfridges were just | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
digging their heels in, Fiona brought her complaint to us. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
So we arranged for Carolyn and Fiona to take the shoes to some of the | 0:36:09 | 0:36:13 | |
finest shoemakers in the land to see what they thought. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
Brothers Andrew and David James | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
and Caroline Collins are from the Society of Master Shoe Repairers. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:24 | |
Between them, they've notched up nearly a century of experience in | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
preparing and caring for shoes. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:29 | |
So will they agree with the manufacturer that the damage is | 0:36:29 | 0:36:33 | |
simply a case of wear and tear? | 0:36:33 | 0:36:35 | |
Caroline is the first to make up her mind. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:37 | |
Nobody could say these have had excessive wear, | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
because there's literally no wear on that heel at all. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
And for it to split, I would say, is the manufacturer's fault. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
And David's also picked up on the split seams. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:52 | |
These seams are a construction fault. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:54 | |
It's the material that's come apart. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
In this type of construction of shoe, it would fail at some point. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:01 | |
-But within six hours, it's probably not acceptable. -Unacceptable. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:06 | |
And though Fiona was told she wouldn't get a refund, | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
Andrew thinks it's worth trying again. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:11 | |
Would you say that we then have a valid case to be able to go back to | 0:37:11 | 0:37:16 | |
-the manufacturer? -I would say so. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
However, Andrew also stressed that, in situations like this, | 0:37:18 | 0:37:22 | |
it's the retailer that has responsibility for resolving a | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
complaint, and not the manufacturer. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
And that's a point reiterated by our resident trading standards expert | 0:37:27 | 0:37:31 | |
Sylvia Rook. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:33 | |
Whenever you buy any goods, your rights are always against the shop | 0:37:33 | 0:37:35 | |
from whom you bought them, | 0:37:35 | 0:37:37 | |
because that's the only person you have a contract with. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
The Consumer Rights Act says that when you buy any goods, | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
they must be of satisfactory quality. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:43 | |
And that includes durability. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
If the goods are not of satisfactory quality, | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
you can return them within 30 days and get all your money back. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
Alternatively, you can ask for a repair or replacement. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
After the 30 days, you lose your option to reject the goods, | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
but you can still get a repair or replacement, | 0:37:58 | 0:38:00 | |
and your rights will last for up to six years. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
That doesn't mean to say that all goods must last for up to six years, | 0:38:03 | 0:38:06 | |
but it means you can make a claim for up to six years. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
Well, so adamant in their opinion were these members of the | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
Association of Master Shoe Repairers | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
that they went on to send Fiona a report stating | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
that, though the glitter loss on the shoes could be put down to wear and | 0:38:19 | 0:38:23 | |
tear, they considered the split seams were undoubtedly | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
a manufacturing fault. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:28 | |
And while that gave Fiona all she needed to have another go at | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
getting a refund, she remains disappointed that shoes from a range | 0:38:31 | 0:38:35 | |
called 24/7 didn't survive a single day intact. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:39 | |
I was surprised, because people were expecting, you know, | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
you pay a couple of hundred pounds on shoes, | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
you are thinking they will be the best quality in the world, | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
and you can wear them maybe ten years, 20 years, 30 years. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
But actually, the reality, maybe not. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:54 | |
That's quite shocking me today. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:56 | |
It doesn't, however, surprise cobbler Ryan Tracy, | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
who works in Manchester city centre. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
He's regularly asked to fix luxury shoes from a variety of designer | 0:39:02 | 0:39:06 | |
names, and says splashing out on a pricier pair doesn't necessarily | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
mean they're built to withstand everyday wear and tear. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:14 | |
Roughly, we get in, on a weekly average, | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
about sort of 20 pairs, maybe. 20-30 pairs. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
They come in, get their toes done, heels done, soles done. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:23 | |
I think when people buy these kind of shoes, | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
they expect them to wear straight the way through the street going | 0:39:26 | 0:39:28 | |
anywhere in them, really, whereas they're made for sort of, like, | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
a ball gown or something like that, | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
when you're just going down some stairs, showing people off your | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
shoes, then get them off for the dancing shoes to come on. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:38 | |
They're designed for, sort of, just walking down the red carpet and | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
just showing people what you've got, really, more than anything. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
Well, when we put all this to Jimmy Choo, | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
the company told us it "takes great pride in the quality of its | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
"products, with all materials carefully sourced and tested to | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
"result in the fine detail synonymous with | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
"high quality luxury". | 0:39:58 | 0:39:59 | |
Pointing out that this is the first complaint received about this | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
particular shoe, Jimmy Choo also said that the Selfridges store | 0:40:04 | 0:40:08 | |
manager who served Fiona had highlighted the shoe's "lack of | 0:40:08 | 0:40:12 | |
"suitability for the wedding location in the notoriously wet | 0:40:12 | 0:40:16 | |
"Lake District", adding that photos Fiona sent show that she "wore the | 0:40:16 | 0:40:21 | |
"shoes on wet and muddy grass, | 0:40:21 | 0:40:23 | |
"seemingly for not an insignificant length of time." | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
The company went on to say that neither its specialist after-sales | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
team, nor the staff at Selfridges | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
who checked them, noticed a ripped seam. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:34 | |
Even so, when Fiona returned to Selfridges with her complaint, | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
armed with a report from those experts, | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
the store offered to exchange the shoes for another pair | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
of Jimmy Choos to the same value. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
And it told us it's "delighted to have been able to bring | 0:40:47 | 0:40:49 | |
"the issue to a satisfactory end". | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
And while that does indeed bring a happy ending to Fiona's big day, | 0:40:53 | 0:40:57 | |
it seems that her brief romance with designer shoes has come to an end. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:01 | |
I'll just never spend that money on shoes again like this. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
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Well, I must say we all felt so sorry for that bride and her | 0:42:10 | 0:42:14 | |
gorgeous shoes. Now, whether or not, as the company says, | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
she wasn't wearing them in the most appropriate location, | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
I can completely understand why she might have expected them to last a | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
little longer than they did. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:25 | |
But you know, that's really the point about value for money. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
It can be entirely subjective, and nothing to do with, in fact, | 0:42:28 | 0:42:32 | |
-the price you paid. -I think you're right, Gloria, | 0:42:32 | 0:42:34 | |
that's something we'd all agree with, but you know, at the same | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
time, if you are paying a higher price but not really getting much | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
more for your money, | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
as seemed to be the case with the toothpaste that we tested, well, | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
that's an entirely different matter altogether. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
And it does just go to show that sometimes paying a higher price | 0:42:47 | 0:42:51 | |
might not actually get you the added benefits | 0:42:51 | 0:42:53 | |
that you would have expected. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:55 | |
And with that thought, that's all we've got time for for today. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:59 | |
Thanks to everyone who's shared their stories with us, | 0:42:59 | 0:43:01 | |
and we'll be looking into more of the cases you've written to us about | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
very soon. For now, though, whatever you do, | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
watch out for those door-to-door salesmen selling those mattresses. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:11 | |
That's one situation where you really can be sure you won't be | 0:43:11 | 0:43:15 | |
-getting good value, eh? -Absolutely! LAUGHTER | 0:43:15 | 0:43:17 | |
Anyway, until next time, from all of us, goodbye. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:20 | |
-Goodbye. -Bye-bye. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:22 |