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We asked you to tell us what's left you feeling ripped off, and you contacted us in your thousands. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:07 | |
You've told us about the companies you think get it wrong | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
and the customer service that simply isn't up to scratch. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
They just want to take money from people. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
That's what it's all about. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
You've asked us to track down the scammers who stole your money | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
and investigate the extra charges that you say are unfair. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
What kind of people could do this to an innocent human being? | 0:00:24 | 0:00:29 | |
And when you've lost out, but nobody else is to blame, | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
you've come to us to stop others falling into the same trap. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
You have to go through various levels of authority | 0:00:35 | 0:00:39 | |
and push your way through. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:40 | |
So, whether it's a blatant rip-off or a genuine mistake... | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
..we're here to find out why you're out-of-pocket | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
and what you can do about it. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
Your stories, your money, this is Rip-Off Britain. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
Hello, welcome once again to Rip-Off Britain where, as usual, | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
we're investigating more of the subjects that you've brought to our attention. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:02 | |
And today, we're returning to a topic | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
that these days dominates our inbox, | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
and that is scams. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:08 | |
Every time we expose new tactics used by fraudsters, | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
we're inundated with reports of even more. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
So we've picked out some of the latest to watch out for. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
Of course, scams do come in all shapes and sizes and, indeed, | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
levels of sophistication. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
And while you personally may not be fooled by some of them, | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
there's always the possibility of yet another | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
that could well draw you in. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:29 | |
I think it's fair to say that the ones that we're going to be hearing | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
about today feature right at the very worst end of the scale in terms | 0:01:32 | 0:01:36 | |
of the deceit that's involved. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
And there seemed to be so many dreadful cynical cons | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
that play on the insecurities of whoever it is they are targeting. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:45 | |
And as a result, they could leave you | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
thousands of pounds out of pocket. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
So, as we reveal just how plausible - and believe me, they're plausible - | 0:01:49 | 0:01:53 | |
that some of them can be, | 0:01:53 | 0:01:54 | |
stand by for all you need to know | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
to avoid being the next person to be taken in. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
Coming up, how this woman was tricked out of hundreds of pounds | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
by a scamming technique that's becoming increasingly common | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
and is virtually impossible to trace. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
I said to him, is this a scam? Are you doing...? | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
That's when he said to me, no, dear, if I was scamming you, | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
I would be asking for your bank details. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
I'm trying to help you. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
And nailing the fraudsters in the biggest investigation of its kind, | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
after an elaborate con saw huge sums of money stolen right across the UK. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:28 | |
It was one of only two times in my life when my knees actually gave way | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
beneath me. It was just that huge realisation that I had been duped. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:36 | |
You know, it's thanks to all of your e-mails and letters that we are able | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
to share details of all the latest scams with all of our viewers, | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
to make sure that you know exactly | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
what you need to watch out for to avoid being stung. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
And in recent months, we've been particularly struck | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
by the number of people contacting us | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
to say they have all been caught out in exactly the same way | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
by an especially nasty scam | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
that asks you to pay money in a particular and, | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
if we're honest, rather unusual way. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
One that can't be traced, | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
and that could leave you hundreds of pounds out of pocket. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
It's a scam we've heard reports of nationwide, | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
but fraudsters seem to have targeted quite a few people in the town | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
of Comber, in County Down. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:23 | |
Where, one afternoon, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
74-year-old Josie Andrews received a deeply unsettling cold call. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:30 | |
When I picked up the phone and I said, "Hello," | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
he said, "Good morning. I'm from HMRC. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:39 | |
"And I'm issuing you with a lawsuit today." | 0:03:39 | 0:03:43 | |
And I said, "What for?" | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
And he said, "Because you owe tax money." | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
The caller claimed that Josie owed ?980 in backdated tax repayments | 0:03:49 | 0:03:54 | |
and, because of it, she was due in court the following day. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
Worse still, she could face prison | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
if the matter wasn't resolved right now. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
I thought I was going to jail. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:04 | |
I really thought, what's going to happen to me here? | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
It was terrifying. It was really terrifying. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
The caller claimed that Josie had failed to respond to letters seeking | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
repayment of the amount of tax that she apparently owed. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
Of course, she'd never received any such letters. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:21 | |
But the threat of prison | 0:04:21 | 0:04:22 | |
made the demands for repayment that day very persuasive. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
And she was told that the quickest way of settling the matter | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
was to pay using iTunes vouchers. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
iTunes vouchers are often purchased as gifts and come in values between | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
?25 and ?100. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
Normally used to purchase music, games and films online, | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
they are widely available in a number of stores | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
and the man who claimed to be from the HMRC told Josie | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
that she could get hers from the nearby supermarkets. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
He told me to write it down and put it on a piece of paper. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
I wasn't aware I was getting music vouchers, | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
I thought I was getting vouchers for the tax office. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
I said to him, "You know, is this a scam?" | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
That's when he said to me, "No, dear, if I was scamming you, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
"I would be asking for your bank details. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
"I'm trying to help you, so as you're not going to court tomorrow." | 0:05:10 | 0:05:15 | |
So that sort of...made me think it was OK. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
Josie said she would ask her daughter to drive her, | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
but the caller instructed her that it would be much quicker to jump into a taxi | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
and buy the vouchers straightaway. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
He said, "It'll take you 10 to 15 minutes to go to Tesco's in a taxi." | 0:05:28 | 0:05:35 | |
I thought, is he sitting about somewhere watching my house? | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
Does he know where I live? | 0:05:39 | 0:05:40 | |
It was an anxious journey to the supermarket. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
I was sitting in a taxi, I just sat there and hoping, | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
can I get these things and get this sorted out? | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
I just couldn't think, is somebody coming to arrest me, | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
what's going to happen to me tomorrow? | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
Josie visited two local supermarkets in order to buy the ?980 worth | 0:05:57 | 0:06:02 | |
of iTunes vouchers. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:03 | |
Each one has a unique number on the back, | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
which is revealed by scratching off a panel. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
When she returned home, | 0:06:09 | 0:06:10 | |
she called the scammer and gave them the vouchers' numbers, | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
meaning they could go on to spend these vouchers online. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:17 | |
When Josie's daughter popped around 30 minutes later | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
and heard what had happened, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
she realised that her mother had been scammed. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
I said, "The taxman wouldn't ring you and ask you to go and get iTunes vouchers." | 0:06:24 | 0:06:30 | |
Then actually, half an hour later, the person on the phone rang | 0:06:30 | 0:06:35 | |
and I answered the phone. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
They said to me, "Who am I speaking to?" | 0:06:38 | 0:06:39 | |
I said, "Who am I speaking to?" | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
They asked for my mum. I said, "My mum's not coming to the phone." | 0:06:41 | 0:06:47 | |
Josie and Amanda reported the incident to the police, | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
Action Fraud and Apple, the company that runs iTunes. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
But with the vouchers working in the same way as cash, | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
the money Josie had spent had gone for good, | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
and months later she still feels vulnerable in her own home | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
and even dreads her phone ringing. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
You shouldn't have to feel like this inside your own home. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
You should feel that this is my house, | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
I shouldn't have to be taking calls like this that I don't want. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
Josie's experience did at least | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
stop someone else in the area from losing out. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
Her next door neighbour, Roy Kelly, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
is a taxi driver and a few weeks later, he was booked by a fare, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
which soon became clear, had been targeted in the same way. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
It was an elderly gentleman that I'd picked up. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
He had asked for a... It's called a wait and return. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
He asked me to take him down to Tesco's. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
He was going to run in for a few minutes | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
to collect something and come out. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
As his customer told him more, Roy became increasingly concerned. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:50 | |
He said the Inland Revenue had got in touch with him that morning, | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
saying that there was a ?2,500 rebate for him. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:59 | |
But they needed an administration fee first, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
before an individual for the Inland Revenue would be out that afternoon. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:06 | |
So they needed ?150 worth of iTunes vouchers. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
Mention of the iTunes vouchers reminded Roy | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
of what had happened to his neighbour, Josie. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
So, he was able to warn the man | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
and stop him buying the vouchers just in time. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
But, clearly, there are plenty of other people who have been tricked | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
into handing over iTunes vouchers in this way, | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
because when we contacted HMRC, | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
it was well aware of the scam and of how its name was being used to give | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
it the legitimacy needed to spur people into taking immediate action. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
It stressed that any requests to pay tax through iTunes gift cards | 0:08:36 | 0:08:41 | |
or any other type of voucher should be considered as fraud, | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
while warning that the fraudsters can be very convincing | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
and use intimidation to get what they want. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
HMRC also said it's working closely with law enforcement agencies | 0:08:51 | 0:08:56 | |
to ensure that no more taxpayers fall victim to these types of scams | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
and encouraged anyone who has been affected to contact Action Fraud. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
But I'm afraid all of this is just the tip of the iceberg | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
when it comes to scams involving iTunes vouchers. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
Because they can't be traced, | 0:09:12 | 0:09:13 | |
they have become very appealing to fraudsters who, | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
we know from your letters and e-mails, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
are using all sorts of other stories to persuade you to hand some over. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
And Peter Marsden from Sheffield | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
is just one of those people to contact us | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
after losing hundreds of pounds | 0:09:28 | 0:09:29 | |
in the belief that he was dealing with a loan company. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
Problems with his credit rating meant Peter had found it difficult | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
to borrow the money he needed to move to a bigger flat. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
So, after searching online, | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
he was delighted to suddenly receive a call from a company that seemed | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
happy to help. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
On the initial contact, this lady, Elizabeth, | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
said to me they could do the loans at a cheaper rate because it was | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
a government-backed incentive | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
to help people that were struggling with their credit rating. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
The loan company said that Peter's request to borrow | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
?5,000 wouldn't be a problem. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
She actually said to me, "Mr Marsden, | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
"we can provide you with that ?5,000 loan. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
"We can do it at a rate of 6% over three years, that would be a repayment, | 0:10:10 | 0:10:15 | |
"a monthly payment of ?160." | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
That was absolutely perfect for what I was looking for. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
And I thought at the time, it seems too good to be true. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:25 | |
And so it proved. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:26 | |
Peter was told that to secure the loan he had to prove he had capital, | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
and he was to make an initial payment of ?500, | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
which would be refunded, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:34 | |
and this should be made using iTunes vouchers. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
He had to borrow the money to buy them from friends and relatives, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
and it took a few days to get the amount needed. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
You can get an iTunes voucher up to ?100, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
but none of the stores had that amount of them available. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
So I ended up having to buy the ?50 ones, multiples of ?50, | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
?200 to ?300 for each, | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
depending on how much stock each store had actually got. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
The loans company told Peter they would pay him the ?5,000 | 0:10:58 | 0:11:03 | |
after it had received proof that he had bought the vouchers. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
Once I have the vouchers in my hand, I took them home, sat down, | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
with a coin, and scraped off to reveal the actual voucher number. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:15 | |
Peter then photographed the numbers and sent them through | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
to what he assumed was the loans company. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
But a few hours later, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:22 | |
he was still waiting for the ?5,000 loan to appear in his account. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:27 | |
So I called them and that's when they told me they had got a problem and needed more vouchers. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:35 | |
A further ?300, to which I just said no, there's something wrong, | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
I don't think this is right. I refused to go any further, | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
and I tried to recover the ?500 in vouchers that I'd paid them. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:47 | |
But obviously, | 0:11:47 | 0:11:48 | |
all my requests for a refund were denied. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
Peter realised that it had all been a con, | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
so that the fraudsters could get the voucher numbers. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
The company made what looked like an honest offer of a legitimate loan, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:04 | |
and it turns out it wasn't a loan they were offering me at all. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
They were just trying to get ?500 in iTunes vouchers, | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
which are more difficult to trace than cash through a bank. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
Peter is angry with himself falling for it and, of course, | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
he now owes family and friends the money that they lent him. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:21 | |
His sister, Elaine, says the fraud has affected all of them. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:25 | |
This has really upset him. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:27 | |
No-one likes to see their family upset. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
And he is. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
Sorry. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:36 | |
It's really upset me. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:40 | |
?500 might not be a lot of money to some people, | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
but to Peter, it was a way of being able to move. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:53 | |
Police believe the fraudsters sell on the voucher codes and are issuing | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
warnings across the country to prevent others being conned in the same way | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
as Josie, Peter, and who knows how many others? | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
If you're not familiar with iTunes vouchers, Apple, | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
the company that issues them, has made it clear - | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
the crucial thing to remember is they can only be used to make purchases | 0:13:10 | 0:13:15 | |
on the iTunes website and App Store. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
So if you receive a call, text or message that leads to requests | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
for them as payment for anything else, the advice is simple. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
However scary or credible the story you are being told, | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
ignore it and report it, because the whole thing is just a scam. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:35 | |
Now, anyone who's ever set up a business won't need reminding how tricky | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
it can be in those first few weeks and months just to stay afloat. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
In that opening period especially, | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
getting the right kind of publicity to generate more interest | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
and customers is essential. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
But using the wrong kind of people to promote your company can end up | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
being a waste of time and money. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
And that, unfortunately, | 0:14:01 | 0:14:02 | |
proved to be the case with a number of people who unwittingly | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
got caught up in the schemes of a criminal gang. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
They managed to convince their targets to hand over hundreds, | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
sometimes thousands of pounds in return for promises | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
that they repeatedly failed to keep. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
Anyone is fair game to a fraudster, | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
and certainly Polly Zabari from Surrey could have had no idea | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
that she was going to find herself caught up in one of the country's largest and most complex frauds. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:31 | |
At the time it happened, | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
she was running her own successful travel firm. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
I fell into the travel industry purely because my ex-husband was a tour guide in Israel. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:41 | |
I do holy trips, so I do Rome, Malta, Lourdes, | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
anywhere people want to go, really, but Israel is my main market. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
Polly's small holiday firm went from strength to strength. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
Word of mouth and great reviews meant that by 2010, | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
she was running up to 18 annual foreign tours | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
with a turnover of around ?300,000 a year. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
It was quite nice to be able to work from home, | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
running my own business that I was proud of, | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
and making enough money to sustain us all. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
And then an unexpected call | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
seemed to suggest all the hard work had paid off. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
Hello? | 0:15:16 | 0:15:17 | |
I received a phone call to say that I'd won some prestigious award | 0:15:17 | 0:15:22 | |
as best independent tour operator | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
and that this award was backed by British Airways, | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
and that part of the award was a double-page spread in their | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
newspaper, which had a phenomenal distribution. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:37 | |
Polly had been called by a company based in Derby, | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
called the Wyvern Media Group, | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
not to be confused with companies of a similar name. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
It claimed to be a publisher of free newspapers with a distribution | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
running into tens of thousands. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
He went on and on about how fantastic this was, how I had been selected, | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
and it was really quite flattering. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
I admit, I was completely bowled over by it all. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
The first thing I did was ring my mum and tell her. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
The only catch with this wonderful-sounding reward, | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
and the resulting publicity, | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
was that Polly would have to pay a small cost of ?50 | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
to help with the article's publication. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
He did tell me that if I'd taken out advertising across the double page | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
spread in colour, it would have cost me thousands. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
I mean, obviously making the ?50, to me, seem quite paltry. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
So I gave him my debit card details. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
And that was the only time that I gave him my card details. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
The caller from Wyvern Media Group assured Polly that, | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
given the backing of such a prestigious company | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
as British Airways, and with their own huge distribution, | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
all this would be a great thing for her travel firm. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
But with so much riding on it, | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
she asked to see the article before it was published. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
The copy was so badly written, | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
I think my eight-year-old probably could have written something better. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
And even then, alarm bells didn't go off. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
I rewrote it and sent it back to them. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
You know, in hindsight, I can't believe how stupid I was. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
But I think the flattery had won me over. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
Over the coming weeks, | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
Polly received dozens and dozens of calls from Wyvern Media Group, | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
apparently to check facts. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
I think, in all, over a period of five or six weeks, | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
I probably received 40 or 50 phone calls, | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
really to a point where it was getting really annoying. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
So they'd check the spelling of my surname, | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
or they'd just check my address, or they would check... | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
You know, just a small detail. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:30 | |
Each time, that is all they ever seemed to ring about, | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
to the point where I was giving the same information three, four, | 0:17:32 | 0:17:36 | |
five times a day to different people. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
Despite all that, | 0:17:39 | 0:17:40 | |
Polly was never sent a copy of the final printed article, | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
nor did she receive the award she has supposedly won | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
or even a certificate. And it was only when she heard from her bank | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
that she realised what all those calls had really been about. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
I didn't realise that anything was wrong | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
until I got my bank statements. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
And I just saw these endless withdrawals. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
It was one of only two times in my life when my knees actually gave way | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
beneath me. It was just that huge realisation that I'd been duped. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
Over the period of six weeks, | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
Wyvern Media Group had drained her account of ?18,000. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:19 | |
But it had been taken out in lots of small amounts, | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
using the card details she'd provided | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
when she paid the first ?50 setting-up fee. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
It kind of clicked into place, | 0:18:28 | 0:18:29 | |
that every phone call that I had had from somebody, | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
probably tallied with an amount of money going out of my bank account. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:37 | |
Every time Wyvern Media Group had called Polly, | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
they had put a charge against that call, | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
creating an invoice and helping themselves | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
to the money in her account. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
Polly phoned her bank to report the fraud, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
and also contacted Trading Standards, | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
where staff were already very familiar with Wyvern Media Group. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
And the man who was investigating complaints was James Delaney. | 0:18:55 | 0:19:00 | |
We had a significant amount of complaints about businesses | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
who had paid for this advertising | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
and their card details had been reused without their permission, | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
and people had lost significant sums of money. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
As the investigation continued, | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
it became clear that the Wyvern Media Group business was huge. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
It had 12 offices across the UK, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
employed 250 people and it generated | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
a turnover of over ?7 million a year. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
This was an enormous, organised fraud on an industrial scale. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:36 | |
It was an enormous business, | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
with a considerable amount of organisation and infrastructure behind it. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:43 | |
Trading Standards had dozens of complaints similar to Polly's, | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
with the pattern always the same - | 0:19:47 | 0:19:48 | |
small-business owners were tricked into handing over their bank card | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
details, and then were called over and over again. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
And each call would lead to money being taken without permission. | 0:19:55 | 0:20:00 | |
The call centre staff that were employed by the group were trained | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
in the dark arts of cold calling and pressurised sales. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:08 | |
They were extremely convincing and deceptive in terms of how they | 0:20:08 | 0:20:13 | |
approached and executed their sales. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
With enough evidence that this was a fraud on a massive scale, | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
in November 2012, the police, alongside Trading Standards, | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
simultaneously raided the company's offices in Nottingham, Rugby, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:29 | |
Leamington Spa, Slough, Taunton, Bristol, Gloucester and Derby. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:36 | |
They confiscated tens of thousands of documents. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
Steve Wyatt was the senior investigating officer | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
who had to organise wading through all that paperwork to build a case. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:49 | |
I was quite shocked when I walked into the head office at Derby, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
to see the amount of documents that were there. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:58 | |
We needed to bring in teams of officers to sift through the evidence, | 0:20:58 | 0:21:04 | |
to look through for any documents or other exhibits | 0:21:04 | 0:21:09 | |
that could be relevant to the case. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
During their raids, officers came across thousands of documents, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
including copies of the newspapers Wyvern Media Group claimed to | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
distribute to tens of thousands of people. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
But even to Steve's untrained eye, they looked amateurish at best. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:27 | |
This is one of the newspapers. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
You'll see the quality is extremely poor. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:33 | |
And also, our victim has been sold multiple advertisements | 0:21:33 | 0:21:39 | |
in the one newspaper. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:41 | |
His feature appears on the front page, | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
and also on the inside of the front page | 0:21:45 | 0:21:49 | |
is an exact copy of what appears on the front page. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:54 | |
In all, our victim paid over ?8,000 | 0:21:54 | 0:21:59 | |
for his advertisements in this newspaper. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
Which didn't go anywhere. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
Wyvern Media Group would produce these papers as proof they were | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
a legitimate company. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
Each paper was printed 5,000 times. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:15 | |
And the reason for that was that enabled the sales staff, | 0:22:15 | 0:22:20 | |
when asked about the distribution numbers, | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
the sales staff were able to say 4,000 to 5,000. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:29 | |
But they would always say it very quickly, | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
to make it sound like 45,000. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
And this was something that we found that ran as a theme | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
throughout the whole of the Wyvern Media offices. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
The man behind the company was Jonathan Rivers, | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
who'd made a fortune at the expense of thousands of customers. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:48 | |
Jonathan Rivers was the main driving force behind the Wyvern Media Group. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:55 | |
He had complete control over every part of the business. | 0:22:55 | 0:23:01 | |
The police and Trading Standards investigation was so huge | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
that it lasted six years and it wasn't until October 2016 | 0:23:05 | 0:23:09 | |
that Jonathan Rivers and his cohorts were finally brought to justice. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
At Nottingham Crown Court, | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
Rivers admitted fraudulent trading | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
after more than 500 complaints against his company were lodged. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
He was jailed for six years. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
Four other members of staff were also jailed and a further seven | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
were given suspended sentences. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
These people are ruthless. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:31 | |
Their main objective is just simply to take money from people. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:37 | |
What people don't understand is that | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
once they've handed over their credit card details, | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
then they're handing over control of their bank account | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
to whoever they've given the details to. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
With the ringleaders behind bars, | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
the police are attempting to recoup | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
some of the money the company's victims have lost. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
And, in Surrey, Polly's bank did reimburse her ?11,000 of the ?18,000 taken. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:04 | |
I think now the case is over it would be nice to think | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
that maybe I could get my money back. I mean, | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
it's been seven or eight years since it was taken and it would be quite | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
nice to have it back, as it's rightfully mine. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
For Trading Standards, this was the biggest case of its kind. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
And with a successful prosecution, | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
they hope fraudsters will think twice about running such a scam again. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
It's a massive result for the team. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
It sends out a message that we won't tolerate businesses that go to these | 0:24:29 | 0:24:34 | |
lengths to defraud consumers and businesses. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:39 | |
And being able to successfully take home a job of this size and scale | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
does bring a certain amount of satisfaction and pride to the team. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
Still to come on Rip-Off Britain, | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
the companies repeatedly selling their targets vitamin pills | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
and products costing hundreds of pounds - | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
but how much of what they're flogging | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
is even what they say it is? | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
I was really upset. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
I was gobsmacked, actually. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:09 | |
I felt angry, I felt... | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
upset that I hadn't picked up on it, to be quite honest. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:16 | |
Sorry... | 0:25:16 | 0:25:17 | |
The Trafford Centre in Manchester was this year's venue for our annual Rip-Off Britain pop-up shop, | 0:25:21 | 0:25:26 | |
where one of the real joys | 0:25:26 | 0:25:27 | |
is meeting up with as many of you as we possibly can. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
Good morning, how are you? | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
I think I'll keep you with me today, Henry. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
You'd be a very good sparring partner, do you know that? | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
Do I get a kiss bye-bye? | 0:25:37 | 0:25:38 | |
A slobbery one! | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
A nice slobbery one? | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
Lovely. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:43 | |
Now, one of the people keen to get some help from our team of experts | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
was 70-year-old Roy Saddler. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
He's come to see our technology guru, David McLelland, | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
about a very frustrating problem with his phone line. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
Right, David is your man. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:56 | |
Tell us what the problem is, exactly. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
Periodically, I get very loud crackling noises | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
that cut the broadband off. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
And do you hear it on the telephone, when you're talking to people? | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
Oh, yes. Yes, very much so. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
Roy has complained about these noises to his service provider. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
But while the company has sent out engineers numerous times | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
to look at the connection, | 0:26:16 | 0:26:17 | |
Roy says the issue still hasn't been resolved. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
And, for some of the visits, he's even had to foot the bill. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
If an engineer comes round and finds there is a problem in the house, | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
he wants to charge me ?165, which I've paid twice up till now. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
So that means you've paid ?330, and you've still not got it checked? | 0:26:32 | 0:26:37 | |
Since then, it's been a fault in the exchange, | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
it's been my line has been hit by lightning, and it's the router. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:45 | |
Well, after more than two years of the same problem, | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
Roy is hoping that David can give him some advice to get it sorted out | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
once and for all. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
Let's boil this down a little bit. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:54 | |
The problem here is with the line that's coming from the exchange | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
into your house. Correct. | 0:26:57 | 0:26:58 | |
So it's not necessarily a broadband issue, it's a telephone line issue. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
Correct. It's those copper lines that provide the various services | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
to your house. The challenge you've got is providing evidence to say, | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
I've got a problem with my line. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
When they turn up, there is no problem. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
Yet you're experiencing problems all the time. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
So you need to show somehow that you've got those problems. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
The name of the game here, I'm afraid to say, is one of persistence. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:22 | |
You've called engineers around, they're been doing lots of things, | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
apart from actually testing the line. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
Exactly. Because that's the thing that takes them time, | 0:27:28 | 0:27:30 | |
and it takes them money, and they're under pressure. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
But if you keep on calling them out, at the end of the day, | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
they're going to have to say, well, | 0:27:36 | 0:27:37 | |
either we fix this line or we're going to be round here every couple of weeks. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
But should he have paid that money in the first place, | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
if it's actually a problem with the line? I don't believe so, no. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
If there's a fault within your property, | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
then you are liable for those costs. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:49 | |
If it's outside your property, it is the infrastructure, | 0:27:49 | 0:27:53 | |
it's the service provider who bears those costs. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
They think that they've found the fault inside your house, | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
but the fault is still there, so it's clearly not inside your house. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:02 | |
I feel your frustration. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:04 | |
Thank you very much. It's a very unfair service that you've been | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
receiving, and paying a lot of money for. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
After visiting the pop-up shop, | 0:28:10 | 0:28:12 | |
Roy did again speak to his phone provider, | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
but alas, his phone line still crackles. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
But he's ever hopeful that one day it will be sorted out. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
Meanwhile, shoppers have been lining up in their droves | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
at our Gripe Corner, | 0:28:25 | 0:28:26 | |
ready to get some of their consumer grumbles off their chest. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
What gets me really annoyed is bad customer service, | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
when people are serving you and not paying attention to you. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
What really annoys me is the price of car insurance. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
Why is it he lives ten miles away, and his insurance is cheaper? | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
You know what, what's the point in having a car? | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
What annoys me is when you go out shopping | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
and they never have the things in your size! | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
Now, I'm afraid every year on Rip-Off Britain, | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
we are contacted by viewers concerned that a friend | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
or elderly relative has been persuaded to sign up | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
to something that leads them to handing over hundreds or even thousands of pounds | 0:28:58 | 0:29:03 | |
for products or promises that simply do not stack up. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:07 | |
And in most cases, they're all just an out and out scam. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:09 | |
Very often, of course, the claims made to convince people to hand over | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
their cash are all too convincing. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
So we've taken a look at some of the worst cases that you've told us about recently, | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
to see if there's anything that will stand up to scrutiny or, | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
indeed, maybe it was all just a big pack of lies from the beginning. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:26 | |
We've long been told of the importance of a balanced diet | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
to live a long and healthy life. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:34 | |
And as we get that bit older, | 0:29:34 | 0:29:36 | |
we're often advised to top up what we're eating with supplements, | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
to make sure that we get the vitamins and minerals we need | 0:29:39 | 0:29:43 | |
to keep the joints moving and our brains in tiptop condition. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:47 | |
So when 89-year-old Dorothy from Watford had a call from a company | 0:29:47 | 0:29:51 | |
offering to sell her some vitamins, she felt compelled to say yes. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:56 | |
But Dorothy's daughter, Sue, | 0:29:56 | 0:29:57 | |
says the cold caller was not entirely honest right from the beginning. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:01 | |
She said that she got the impression | 0:30:03 | 0:30:05 | |
that maybe they had this from her GP, | 0:30:05 | 0:30:07 | |
that they knew what her ailments possibly were. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
But they directed it as if they were a doctor speaking. You know, | 0:30:10 | 0:30:15 | |
"What day-to-day issues do you have? | 0:30:15 | 0:30:17 | |
"What health care issues do you have?" | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
Being really quite personal, | 0:30:19 | 0:30:21 | |
and getting details from her about her health condition. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:27 | |
Thinking the caller had some connection with her doctor, | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
Dorothy agreed to buy some vitamins | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
and gave her bank details over the phone. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:34 | |
But I'm afraid that was just the start. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
Dorothy was then inundated with calls from other vitamin companies | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
as well, and each time, she ended up buying more. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
Why do you feel you continued to buy them, Mum? | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
What was it that made you? | 0:30:49 | 0:30:51 | |
I don't know, just thought it would do me good. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
I don't think she would have really understood | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
what was occurring, what was happening. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
Overwhelmed and really confused by the number of calls, | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
Dorothy kept on buying more vitamins, and her daughter, Sue, | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
only found out what was happening when she noticed regular payments | 0:31:08 | 0:31:12 | |
of up to ?900 leaving her mother's account. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:17 | |
I was really upset, I was gobsmacked, actually. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:21 | |
I felt angry. I felt... | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
upset that I hadn't picked up on it, to be quite honest. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
Sorry... | 0:31:27 | 0:31:28 | |
Hi, Mum. I just thought we'd have a quick look through these together. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:36 | |
Over a period of 15 months, | 0:31:36 | 0:31:38 | |
Dorothy had spent an incredible ?24,000 on vitamins, | 0:31:38 | 0:31:42 | |
money she just can't afford to lose. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:44 | |
We reached the point where, on the month when it all came to light, | 0:31:44 | 0:31:49 | |
she'd actually for the first time gone into arrears on her bank account. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:53 | |
And we had to get money transferred in to get it back into credit, | 0:31:53 | 0:31:57 | |
and that was very alarming. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
Sue called Dorothy's bank and asked them to block any further payments. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:04 | |
But the bank explained that staff had actually called Dorothy | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
to query the transactions, but she confirmed that all was OK. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:11 | |
They showed us various recorded details of where the bank had directly phoned my mum, | 0:32:11 | 0:32:19 | |
and where they had requested her to confirm that she was happy | 0:32:19 | 0:32:23 | |
with some of the amounts that were going out of her bank account. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:28 | |
And each time they contacted her, she just said, | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
"Yes, I did authorise that payment." | 0:32:32 | 0:32:36 | |
Sue's next call was to Hertfordshire Trading Standards, | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
where Sue Shanahan took up Dorothy's case. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
I did ask her, "Why do you not just put the phone down?" | 0:32:43 | 0:32:48 | |
And she said, "You know, I've tried, I tell them no, | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
"but they just keep going on and on, and on, they are so persistent, | 0:32:51 | 0:32:55 | |
"they won't take no for an answer, so I just give in. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
"You know, I don't want the confrontation, | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
"it's just easier to get the bank card and pay up." | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
It's so sad, but Sue and her colleagues have heard many similar stories | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
about vitamin companies that repeatedly target the elderly. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:11 | |
And she's keen to raise awareness of how they typically operate. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
I'm aware that there are dozens of these health care companies | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
out there at the moment who are targeting our elderly and vulnerable | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
over the phone to sell them vitamins. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
If they find a victim who will pay up, who will not complain, | 0:33:23 | 0:33:28 | |
not contact their bank, then they will target them again and, | 0:33:28 | 0:33:32 | |
as well as that, they will pass on their details | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
to other companies to target. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
Which is why we end up with so many of these products being sold, | 0:33:37 | 0:33:42 | |
when they are not wanted or not needed. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:44 | |
It's a massive, massive problem and hundreds, | 0:33:44 | 0:33:48 | |
thousands of pounds are being spent. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:50 | |
And these expensive products are not just sold over the phone. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
Many vitamin companies target pensioners by post, | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
seizing their attention with the promise of a huge cash prize. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:02 | |
"Yes, you've won ?15,500 - nought, nought - | 0:34:04 | 0:34:10 | |
"in our multi-wins grand draw. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
"This sum is available from this morning, so claim it right away." | 0:34:13 | 0:34:20 | |
Margaret from Brighton, who has Alzheimer's, | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
received a letter many of us will have come across, | 0:34:23 | 0:34:25 | |
telling her she had won a small fortune | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
and all she had to do to release the money | 0:34:28 | 0:34:30 | |
was to sign up and buy some vitamins. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:32 | |
It was a message that she found very hard to resist. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:36 | |
Now, on all of those, I would have done something, | 0:34:36 | 0:34:40 | |
bought something, or whatever I had to do. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:44 | |
Even to her son, Richard, | 0:34:44 | 0:34:45 | |
the offer of a cash prize seemed quite convincing. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
There is everything on there that would lead you to believe | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
that you were just one more cheque away, I think, from riches. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:57 | |
It seemed to Margaret that she had nothing to lose, | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
with the benefits of taking vitamins, | 0:35:01 | 0:35:03 | |
coupled with the promise of the ?15,500 prize, | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
she was happy to place an order. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
But once she made a purchase, | 0:35:09 | 0:35:10 | |
more companies called to sell her even more vitamins, | 0:35:10 | 0:35:14 | |
and soon she was buying supplements faster | 0:35:14 | 0:35:16 | |
than she could ever have taken them. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
They did get put over here, on this kitchen surface. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:23 | |
And they came out, literally, | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
all the way across and about three deep at the worst of it. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:29 | |
The bottles of pills were in every single room. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
Lights! Well, here we've still got | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
quite a stack of the Tonic Royals. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:41 | |
That's one, two, three, four, five, seven of them, | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
five of them not even out of their packing. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
One of the companies selling to her is called Biotonic, based in France. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:52 | |
She bought a product called Tonic Royal with ginseng, | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
which contains the honey bee secretion royal jelly - | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
said by some to be very good for your immune system. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:02 | |
She also bought pots and pots of a manganese compound, claimed to be, | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
amongst other things, an antioxidant. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
There were also pots of jouvence and lecithine, | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
containing that all-important vitamin C, | 0:36:11 | 0:36:13 | |
another supplement generally thought | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
to be really good for the immune system. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
And while we're not going to question the apparent benefits of the supplements themselves, | 0:36:19 | 0:36:24 | |
we've heard complaints and concerns about Biotonic many times before. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:29 | |
So, with the company's products hardly what you'd call cheap, | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
we were interested to know if it's pills really contain quite as much | 0:36:32 | 0:36:36 | |
of those key ingredients as they claimed. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
So we asked scientist John Griffin from Kent Scientific Services | 0:36:39 | 0:36:43 | |
to run some tests on a few of Margaret's pills. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
So, when we tested the four products, | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
the results were interesting and varied. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:54 | |
First up, John tested how much royal jelly was in this Tonic Royal. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:58 | |
So, when we looked up the honey product, or the Royal Tonic, | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
we looked at the sugar profile and certainly the levels of sugar in there | 0:37:03 | 0:37:07 | |
were consistent with a honey-based material being in there. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
Our estimations were around 30%, so the label declared around 34%. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:15 | |
So, in terms of information, | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
this appeared to be sufficiently accurate. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
Now, remember, we weren't questioning if the products | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
actually do what's being claimed, | 0:37:24 | 0:37:26 | |
just whether they even contain the ingredients they're supposed to. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
This first one did, although there was something of a surprise | 0:37:29 | 0:37:32 | |
with the next product tested, | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
the manganese compound. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:35 | |
We did find manganese. We didn't find it at the level they declared. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:41 | |
It was about 19% lower. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:43 | |
The acceptable tolerance in terms of accuracy of information is 20%. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:47 | |
So it just crept within that acceptable tolerance. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:51 | |
The accuracy of this information certainly could be a lot tighter. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:55 | |
So, this product contained just about enough manganese to pass, | 0:37:55 | 0:37:59 | |
but still 19% less than you pay for. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
And things were even worse with the final two tablets, | 0:38:03 | 0:38:06 | |
sold as being full of vitamin C. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
So, when we looked at the jouvence and the lecithine tablets, | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
the level of vitamin C present was significantly less than the declared values. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:17 | |
In one case, it was less than 1% of the declared value. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:21 | |
In the other, it was around about half. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
So the levels of vitamin C there | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
would not allow you to make any health claims based on the intake, | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
or based on the number of tablets you should take per day. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
So, would really have no beneficial nutritional effects whatsoever. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:36 | |
In other words, these pills, of which Margaret has bought | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
dozens and dozens of pots, really aren't worth the money, | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
as she would really struggle to feel the health benefits | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
normally associated with this kind of vitamin supplement. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
We put our findings to Biotonic in France, | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
but the company didn't respond to any of our questions. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:55 | |
But for Sue Shanahan at Hertfordshire Trading Standards, | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
what we found just confirms what she has always believed, | 0:38:58 | 0:39:02 | |
that such companies are encouraging older people to waste their money | 0:39:02 | 0:39:06 | |
on health products that they just don't need, | 0:39:06 | 0:39:08 | |
and she thinks it's crucial that that message is passed on. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:12 | |
The advice from Trading Standards for families | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
who might be really worried | 0:39:16 | 0:39:18 | |
about their elderly relations, their vulnerable relations, | 0:39:18 | 0:39:22 | |
is talk to them about these scams. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:26 | |
Tell them what's going on, | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
because the more informed people are, | 0:39:29 | 0:39:30 | |
the less likely they are to fall for them. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
And it isn't simply the sale of vitamin pills that Sue includes in that warning. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:38 | |
She's concerned about all manner of other scams, | 0:39:38 | 0:39:40 | |
from those that have come in a phone call right out of the blue, | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
to door-to-door sellers, trying to coach you into buying on the spot. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
Her advice for all of them is to steer well clear. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:52 | |
If you get a cold call out of the blue, didn't ask them to call, | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
didn't want them to call, and someone's trying to sell you something, | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
say no. Just don't buy. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
You don't give your bank details to a complete stranger, | 0:40:01 | 0:40:03 | |
even if they say they are calling from the doctors, | 0:40:03 | 0:40:05 | |
they're calling from the police, they're calling from your bank. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
They're a stranger, you don't know who they are, | 0:40:08 | 0:40:10 | |
you don't tell them anything. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
It may sometimes be, of course, | 0:40:12 | 0:40:14 | |
that an elderly relative has signed up to an expensive scam without | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
realising. So Sue advises relatives and friends to be on the lookout | 0:40:17 | 0:40:22 | |
for suspicious parcels. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
If you're a relation and you're concerned about a family member, | 0:40:24 | 0:40:28 | |
and you think they might be falling victim to scams, | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
look out for unusual products, look out for unusual amounts of products. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:35 | |
Ask about those products and how they were sold, and be supportive. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:40 | |
Because shame is often what stops people reporting these crimes. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:45 | |
Now, if you find anything you think is a scam, | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
report it to your local Trading Standards and the police immediately. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:52 | |
Back in Watford, while Dorothy and her daughter have to accept | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
that they will never recover the ?24,000 spent on vitamins, | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
the good news is that Trading Standards | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
has now installed a call blocker on her phone, | 0:41:02 | 0:41:05 | |
so at least she'll no longer receive any more nuisance calls. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
And Sue wants others to be aware of how easy it is for fraudsters | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
to target vulnerable people and what that can end up costing. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:17 | |
I don't want other families to go through what we've been through. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:22 | |
And realise just how vulnerable people are. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:28 | |
So I want people to listen and then maybe look around them. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:32 | |
It could be a neighbour. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:33 | |
Check in the nicest way possible, | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
that they are not being ripped off for a load of money, or taken for a ride. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:41 | |
Meanwhile, in Brighton, Margaret, | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
who is ?5,000 out of pocket, won't be buying any more tablets either. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:47 | |
And she'll be ignoring further promises of big cash prizes. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:52 | |
You get little yellow leaflets every now and again. Yes, to send cash. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
But I don't. No, good girl. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:58 | |
Excellent. Thank you. | 0:41:58 | 0:41:59 | |
If you've got a story you'd like us to investigate, | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
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Well, that's just about all we've got time for today. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
But I must say, it's really shocking | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
to see just how ruthless those scammers are. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
There seems to be no limit to what they'll do or say to get their | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
hands on someone else's money. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:51 | |
So, a huge, genuine thanks to everyone who has shared their experience with us today, | 0:42:51 | 0:42:56 | |
because, as we've said on this programme many times before, | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
any one of us could be scammed. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:01 | |
And it really is only with the help people who are prepared to talk about | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
what's happened to them that we can be warned and stop others from being | 0:43:04 | 0:43:09 | |
taken in in the same way. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
So, if you find yourself targeted by a scammer in any way at all, | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
please do let us know. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:16 | |
You can bet this is a topic we will be coming back to again and again. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:19 | |
Also, keep sending us your other consumer stories as well, | 0:43:19 | 0:43:22 | |
because the team is working on many more programmes | 0:43:22 | 0:43:25 | |
for the next few months. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:27 | |
So it could be your experience we're investigating on one of them. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:30 | |
But for now, that's where we leave it. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:32 | |
From all of us on the Rip Off Britain team, | 0:43:32 | 0:43:34 | |
thanks for your company and we'll see you soon. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
Goodbye. Bye. | 0:43:37 | 0:43:38 | |
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The passion. We are unstoppable. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:17 | |
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