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We asked you to tell us what's left you feeling ripped off, and you contacted us in your thousands.

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You've told us about the companies you think get it wrong

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and the customer service that simply isn't up to scratch.

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They just want to take money from people.

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That's what it's all about.

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You've asked us to track down the scammers who stole your money

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and investigate the extra charges that you say are unfair.

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What kind of people could do this to an innocent human being?

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And when you've lost out, but nobody else is to blame,

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you've come to us to stop others falling into the same trap.

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You have to go through various levels of authority

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and push your way through.

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So, whether it's a blatant rip-off or a genuine mistake...

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..we're here to find out why you're out-of-pocket

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and what you can do about it.

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Your stories, your money, this is Rip-Off Britain.

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Hello, welcome once again to Rip-Off Britain where, as usual,

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we're investigating more of the subjects that you've brought to our attention.

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And today, we're returning to a topic

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that these days dominates our inbox,

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and that is scams.

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Every time we expose new tactics used by fraudsters,

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we're inundated with reports of even more.

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So we've picked out some of the latest to watch out for.

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Of course, scams do come in all shapes and sizes and, indeed,

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levels of sophistication.

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And while you personally may not be fooled by some of them,

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there's always the possibility of yet another

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that could well draw you in.

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I think it's fair to say that the ones that we're going to be hearing

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about today feature right at the very worst end of the scale in terms

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of the deceit that's involved.

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And there seemed to be so many dreadful cynical cons

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that play on the insecurities of whoever it is they are targeting.

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And as a result, they could leave you

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thousands of pounds out of pocket.

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So, as we reveal just how plausible - and believe me, they're plausible -

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that some of them can be,

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stand by for all you need to know

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to avoid being the next person to be taken in.

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Coming up, how this woman was tricked out of hundreds of pounds

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by a scamming technique that's becoming increasingly common

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and is virtually impossible to trace.

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I said to him, is this a scam? Are you doing...?

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That's when he said to me, no, dear, if I was scamming you,

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I would be asking for your bank details.

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I'm trying to help you.

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And nailing the fraudsters in the biggest investigation of its kind,

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after an elaborate con saw huge sums of money stolen right across the UK.

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It was one of only two times in my life when my knees actually gave way

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beneath me. It was just that huge realisation that I had been duped.

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You know, it's thanks to all of your e-mails and letters that we are able

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to share details of all the latest scams with all of our viewers,

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to make sure that you know exactly

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what you need to watch out for to avoid being stung.

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And in recent months, we've been particularly struck

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by the number of people contacting us

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to say they have all been caught out in exactly the same way

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by an especially nasty scam

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that asks you to pay money in a particular and,

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if we're honest, rather unusual way.

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One that can't be traced,

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and that could leave you hundreds of pounds out of pocket.

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It's a scam we've heard reports of nationwide,

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but fraudsters seem to have targeted quite a few people in the town

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of Comber, in County Down.

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Where, one afternoon,

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74-year-old Josie Andrews received a deeply unsettling cold call.

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When I picked up the phone and I said, "Hello,"

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he said, "Good morning. I'm from HMRC.

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"And I'm issuing you with a lawsuit today."

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And I said, "What for?"

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And he said, "Because you owe tax money."

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The caller claimed that Josie owed ?980 in backdated tax repayments

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and, because of it, she was due in court the following day.

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Worse still, she could face prison

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if the matter wasn't resolved right now.

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I thought I was going to jail.

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I really thought, what's going to happen to me here?

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It was terrifying. It was really terrifying.

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The caller claimed that Josie had failed to respond to letters seeking

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repayment of the amount of tax that she apparently owed.

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Of course, she'd never received any such letters.

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But the threat of prison

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made the demands for repayment that day very persuasive.

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And she was told that the quickest way of settling the matter

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was to pay using iTunes vouchers.

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iTunes vouchers are often purchased as gifts and come in values between

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?25 and ?100.

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Normally used to purchase music, games and films online,

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they are widely available in a number of stores

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and the man who claimed to be from the HMRC told Josie

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that she could get hers from the nearby supermarkets.

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He told me to write it down and put it on a piece of paper.

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I wasn't aware I was getting music vouchers,

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I thought I was getting vouchers for the tax office.

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I said to him, "You know, is this a scam?"

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That's when he said to me, "No, dear, if I was scamming you,

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"I would be asking for your bank details.

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"I'm trying to help you, so as you're not going to court tomorrow."

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So that sort of...made me think it was OK.

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Josie said she would ask her daughter to drive her,

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but the caller instructed her that it would be much quicker to jump into a taxi

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and buy the vouchers straightaway.

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He said, "It'll take you 10 to 15 minutes to go to Tesco's in a taxi."

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I thought, is he sitting about somewhere watching my house?

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Does he know where I live?

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It was an anxious journey to the supermarket.

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I was sitting in a taxi, I just sat there and hoping,

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can I get these things and get this sorted out?

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I just couldn't think, is somebody coming to arrest me,

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what's going to happen to me tomorrow?

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Josie visited two local supermarkets in order to buy the ?980 worth

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of iTunes vouchers.

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Each one has a unique number on the back,

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which is revealed by scratching off a panel.

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When she returned home,

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she called the scammer and gave them the vouchers' numbers,

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meaning they could go on to spend these vouchers online.

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When Josie's daughter popped around 30 minutes later

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and heard what had happened,

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she realised that her mother had been scammed.

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I said, "The taxman wouldn't ring you and ask you to go and get iTunes vouchers."

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Then actually, half an hour later, the person on the phone rang

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and I answered the phone.

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They said to me, "Who am I speaking to?"

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I said, "Who am I speaking to?"

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They asked for my mum. I said, "My mum's not coming to the phone."

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Josie and Amanda reported the incident to the police,

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Action Fraud and Apple, the company that runs iTunes.

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But with the vouchers working in the same way as cash,

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the money Josie had spent had gone for good,

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and months later she still feels vulnerable in her own home

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and even dreads her phone ringing.

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You shouldn't have to feel like this inside your own home.

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You should feel that this is my house,

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I shouldn't have to be taking calls like this that I don't want.

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Josie's experience did at least

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stop someone else in the area from losing out.

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Her next door neighbour, Roy Kelly,

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is a taxi driver and a few weeks later, he was booked by a fare,

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which soon became clear, had been targeted in the same way.

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It was an elderly gentleman that I'd picked up.

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He had asked for a... It's called a wait and return.

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He asked me to take him down to Tesco's.

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He was going to run in for a few minutes

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to collect something and come out.

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As his customer told him more, Roy became increasingly concerned.

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He said the Inland Revenue had got in touch with him that morning,

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saying that there was a ?2,500 rebate for him.

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But they needed an administration fee first,

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before an individual for the Inland Revenue would be out that afternoon.

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So they needed ?150 worth of iTunes vouchers.

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Mention of the iTunes vouchers reminded Roy

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of what had happened to his neighbour, Josie.

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So, he was able to warn the man

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and stop him buying the vouchers just in time.

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But, clearly, there are plenty of other people who have been tricked

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into handing over iTunes vouchers in this way,

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because when we contacted HMRC,

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it was well aware of the scam and of how its name was being used to give

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it the legitimacy needed to spur people into taking immediate action.

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It stressed that any requests to pay tax through iTunes gift cards

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or any other type of voucher should be considered as fraud,

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while warning that the fraudsters can be very convincing

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and use intimidation to get what they want.

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HMRC also said it's working closely with law enforcement agencies

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to ensure that no more taxpayers fall victim to these types of scams

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and encouraged anyone who has been affected to contact Action Fraud.

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But I'm afraid all of this is just the tip of the iceberg

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when it comes to scams involving iTunes vouchers.

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Because they can't be traced,

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they have become very appealing to fraudsters who,

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we know from your letters and e-mails,

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are using all sorts of other stories to persuade you to hand some over.

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And Peter Marsden from Sheffield

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is just one of those people to contact us

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after losing hundreds of pounds

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in the belief that he was dealing with a loan company.

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Problems with his credit rating meant Peter had found it difficult

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to borrow the money he needed to move to a bigger flat.

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So, after searching online,

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he was delighted to suddenly receive a call from a company that seemed

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happy to help.

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On the initial contact, this lady, Elizabeth,

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said to me they could do the loans at a cheaper rate because it was

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a government-backed incentive

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to help people that were struggling with their credit rating.

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The loan company said that Peter's request to borrow

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?5,000 wouldn't be a problem.

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She actually said to me, "Mr Marsden,

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"we can provide you with that ?5,000 loan.

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"We can do it at a rate of 6% over three years, that would be a repayment,

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"a monthly payment of ?160."

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That was absolutely perfect for what I was looking for.

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And I thought at the time, it seems too good to be true.

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And so it proved.

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Peter was told that to secure the loan he had to prove he had capital,

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and he was to make an initial payment of ?500,

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which would be refunded,

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and this should be made using iTunes vouchers.

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He had to borrow the money to buy them from friends and relatives,

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and it took a few days to get the amount needed.

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You can get an iTunes voucher up to ?100,

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but none of the stores had that amount of them available.

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So I ended up having to buy the ?50 ones, multiples of ?50,

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?200 to ?300 for each,

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depending on how much stock each store had actually got.

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The loans company told Peter they would pay him the ?5,000

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after it had received proof that he had bought the vouchers.

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Once I have the vouchers in my hand, I took them home, sat down,

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with a coin, and scraped off to reveal the actual voucher number.

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Peter then photographed the numbers and sent them through

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to what he assumed was the loans company.

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But a few hours later,

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he was still waiting for the ?5,000 loan to appear in his account.

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So I called them and that's when they told me they had got a problem and needed more vouchers.

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A further ?300, to which I just said no, there's something wrong,

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I don't think this is right. I refused to go any further,

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and I tried to recover the ?500 in vouchers that I'd paid them.

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But obviously,

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all my requests for a refund were denied.

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Peter realised that it had all been a con,

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so that the fraudsters could get the voucher numbers.

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The company made what looked like an honest offer of a legitimate loan,

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and it turns out it wasn't a loan they were offering me at all.

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They were just trying to get ?500 in iTunes vouchers,

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which are more difficult to trace than cash through a bank.

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Peter is angry with himself falling for it and, of course,

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he now owes family and friends the money that they lent him.

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His sister, Elaine, says the fraud has affected all of them.

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This has really upset him.

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No-one likes to see their family upset.

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And he is.

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Sorry.

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It's really upset me.

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?500 might not be a lot of money to some people,

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but to Peter, it was a way of being able to move.

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Police believe the fraudsters sell on the voucher codes and are issuing

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warnings across the country to prevent others being conned in the same way

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as Josie, Peter, and who knows how many others?

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If you're not familiar with iTunes vouchers, Apple,

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the company that issues them, has made it clear -

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the crucial thing to remember is they can only be used to make purchases

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on the iTunes website and App Store.

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So if you receive a call, text or message that leads to requests

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for them as payment for anything else, the advice is simple.

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However scary or credible the story you are being told,

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ignore it and report it, because the whole thing is just a scam.

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Now, anyone who's ever set up a business won't need reminding how tricky

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it can be in those first few weeks and months just to stay afloat.

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In that opening period especially,

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getting the right kind of publicity to generate more interest

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and customers is essential.

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But using the wrong kind of people to promote your company can end up

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being a waste of time and money.

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And that, unfortunately,

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proved to be the case with a number of people who unwittingly

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got caught up in the schemes of a criminal gang.

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They managed to convince their targets to hand over hundreds,

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sometimes thousands of pounds in return for promises

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that they repeatedly failed to keep.

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Anyone is fair game to a fraudster,

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and certainly Polly Zabari from Surrey could have had no idea

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that she was going to find herself caught up in one of the country's largest and most complex frauds.

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At the time it happened,

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she was running her own successful travel firm.

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I fell into the travel industry purely because my ex-husband was a tour guide in Israel.

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I do holy trips, so I do Rome, Malta, Lourdes,

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anywhere people want to go, really, but Israel is my main market.

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Polly's small holiday firm went from strength to strength.

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Word of mouth and great reviews meant that by 2010,

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she was running up to 18 annual foreign tours

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with a turnover of around ?300,000 a year.

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It was quite nice to be able to work from home,

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running my own business that I was proud of,

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and making enough money to sustain us all.

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And then an unexpected call

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seemed to suggest all the hard work had paid off.

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Hello?

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I received a phone call to say that I'd won some prestigious award

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as best independent tour operator

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and that this award was backed by British Airways,

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and that part of the award was a double-page spread in their

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newspaper, which had a phenomenal distribution.

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Polly had been called by a company based in Derby,

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called the Wyvern Media Group,

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not to be confused with companies of a similar name.

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It claimed to be a publisher of free newspapers with a distribution

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running into tens of thousands.

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He went on and on about how fantastic this was, how I had been selected,

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and it was really quite flattering.

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I admit, I was completely bowled over by it all.

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The first thing I did was ring my mum and tell her.

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The only catch with this wonderful-sounding reward,

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and the resulting publicity,

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was that Polly would have to pay a small cost of ?50

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to help with the article's publication.

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He did tell me that if I'd taken out advertising across the double page

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spread in colour, it would have cost me thousands.

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I mean, obviously making the ?50, to me, seem quite paltry.

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So I gave him my debit card details.

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And that was the only time that I gave him my card details.

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The caller from Wyvern Media Group assured Polly that,

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given the backing of such a prestigious company

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as British Airways, and with their own huge distribution,

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all this would be a great thing for her travel firm.

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But with so much riding on it,

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she asked to see the article before it was published.

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The copy was so badly written,

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I think my eight-year-old probably could have written something better.

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And even then, alarm bells didn't go off.

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I rewrote it and sent it back to them.

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You know, in hindsight, I can't believe how stupid I was.

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But I think the flattery had won me over.

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Over the coming weeks,

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Polly received dozens and dozens of calls from Wyvern Media Group,

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apparently to check facts.

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I think, in all, over a period of five or six weeks,

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I probably received 40 or 50 phone calls,

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really to a point where it was getting really annoying.

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So they'd check the spelling of my surname,

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or they'd just check my address, or they would check...

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You know, just a small detail.

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Each time, that is all they ever seemed to ring about,

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to the point where I was giving the same information three, four,

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five times a day to different people.

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Despite all that,

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Polly was never sent a copy of the final printed article,

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nor did she receive the award she has supposedly won

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or even a certificate. And it was only when she heard from her bank

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that she realised what all those calls had really been about.

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I didn't realise that anything was wrong

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until I got my bank statements.

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And I just saw these endless withdrawals.

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It was one of only two times in my life when my knees actually gave way

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beneath me. It was just that huge realisation that I'd been duped.

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Over the period of six weeks,

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Wyvern Media Group had drained her account of ?18,000.

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But it had been taken out in lots of small amounts,

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using the card details she'd provided

0:18:220:18:24

when she paid the first ?50 setting-up fee.

0:18:240:18:28

It kind of clicked into place,

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that every phone call that I had had from somebody,

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probably tallied with an amount of money going out of my bank account.

0:18:320:18:37

Every time Wyvern Media Group had called Polly,

0:18:370:18:39

they had put a charge against that call,

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creating an invoice and helping themselves

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to the money in her account.

0:18:440:18:46

Polly phoned her bank to report the fraud,

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and also contacted Trading Standards,

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where staff were already very familiar with Wyvern Media Group.

0:18:510:18:55

And the man who was investigating complaints was James Delaney.

0:18:550:19:00

We had a significant amount of complaints about businesses

0:19:000:19:04

who had paid for this advertising

0:19:040:19:07

and their card details had been reused without their permission,

0:19:070:19:10

and people had lost significant sums of money.

0:19:100:19:14

As the investigation continued,

0:19:140:19:16

it became clear that the Wyvern Media Group business was huge.

0:19:160:19:20

It had 12 offices across the UK,

0:19:200:19:23

employed 250 people and it generated

0:19:230:19:26

a turnover of over ?7 million a year.

0:19:260:19:30

This was an enormous, organised fraud on an industrial scale.

0:19:300:19:36

It was an enormous business,

0:19:360:19:38

with a considerable amount of organisation and infrastructure behind it.

0:19:380:19:43

Trading Standards had dozens of complaints similar to Polly's,

0:19:430:19:47

with the pattern always the same -

0:19:470:19:48

small-business owners were tricked into handing over their bank card

0:19:480:19:52

details, and then were called over and over again.

0:19:520:19:55

And each call would lead to money being taken without permission.

0:19:550:20:00

The call centre staff that were employed by the group were trained

0:20:000:20:03

in the dark arts of cold calling and pressurised sales.

0:20:030:20:08

They were extremely convincing and deceptive in terms of how they

0:20:080:20:13

approached and executed their sales.

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With enough evidence that this was a fraud on a massive scale,

0:20:170:20:20

in November 2012, the police, alongside Trading Standards,

0:20:200:20:24

simultaneously raided the company's offices in Nottingham, Rugby,

0:20:240:20:29

Leamington Spa, Slough, Taunton, Bristol, Gloucester and Derby.

0:20:290:20:36

They confiscated tens of thousands of documents.

0:20:370:20:41

Steve Wyatt was the senior investigating officer

0:20:410:20:44

who had to organise wading through all that paperwork to build a case.

0:20:440:20:49

I was quite shocked when I walked into the head office at Derby,

0:20:490:20:53

to see the amount of documents that were there.

0:20:530:20:58

We needed to bring in teams of officers to sift through the evidence,

0:20:580:21:04

to look through for any documents or other exhibits

0:21:040:21:09

that could be relevant to the case.

0:21:090:21:13

During their raids, officers came across thousands of documents,

0:21:130:21:16

including copies of the newspapers Wyvern Media Group claimed to

0:21:160:21:19

distribute to tens of thousands of people.

0:21:190:21:22

But even to Steve's untrained eye, they looked amateurish at best.

0:21:220:21:27

This is one of the newspapers.

0:21:270:21:29

You'll see the quality is extremely poor.

0:21:290:21:33

And also, our victim has been sold multiple advertisements

0:21:330:21:39

in the one newspaper.

0:21:390:21:41

His feature appears on the front page,

0:21:410:21:45

and also on the inside of the front page

0:21:450:21:49

is an exact copy of what appears on the front page.

0:21:490:21:54

In all, our victim paid over ?8,000

0:21:540:21:59

for his advertisements in this newspaper.

0:21:590:22:02

Which didn't go anywhere.

0:22:020:22:04

Wyvern Media Group would produce these papers as proof they were

0:22:040:22:08

a legitimate company.

0:22:080:22:10

Each paper was printed 5,000 times.

0:22:100:22:15

And the reason for that was that enabled the sales staff,

0:22:150:22:20

when asked about the distribution numbers,

0:22:200:22:24

the sales staff were able to say 4,000 to 5,000.

0:22:240:22:29

But they would always say it very quickly,

0:22:290:22:32

to make it sound like 45,000.

0:22:320:22:34

And this was something that we found that ran as a theme

0:22:340:22:37

throughout the whole of the Wyvern Media offices.

0:22:370:22:41

The man behind the company was Jonathan Rivers,

0:22:410:22:43

who'd made a fortune at the expense of thousands of customers.

0:22:430:22:48

Jonathan Rivers was the main driving force behind the Wyvern Media Group.

0:22:480:22:55

He had complete control over every part of the business.

0:22:550:23:01

The police and Trading Standards investigation was so huge

0:23:010:23:05

that it lasted six years and it wasn't until October 2016

0:23:050:23:09

that Jonathan Rivers and his cohorts were finally brought to justice.

0:23:090:23:13

At Nottingham Crown Court,

0:23:130:23:15

Rivers admitted fraudulent trading

0:23:150:23:17

after more than 500 complaints against his company were lodged.

0:23:170:23:21

He was jailed for six years.

0:23:210:23:23

Four other members of staff were also jailed and a further seven

0:23:230:23:26

were given suspended sentences.

0:23:260:23:28

These people are ruthless.

0:23:290:23:31

Their main objective is just simply to take money from people.

0:23:310:23:37

What people don't understand is that

0:23:370:23:39

once they've handed over their credit card details,

0:23:390:23:43

then they're handing over control of their bank account

0:23:430:23:46

to whoever they've given the details to.

0:23:460:23:49

With the ringleaders behind bars,

0:23:490:23:52

the police are attempting to recoup

0:23:520:23:54

some of the money the company's victims have lost.

0:23:540:23:57

And, in Surrey, Polly's bank did reimburse her ?11,000 of the ?18,000 taken.

0:23:570:24:04

I think now the case is over it would be nice to think

0:24:040:24:07

that maybe I could get my money back. I mean,

0:24:070:24:10

it's been seven or eight years since it was taken and it would be quite

0:24:100:24:13

nice to have it back, as it's rightfully mine.

0:24:130:24:16

For Trading Standards, this was the biggest case of its kind.

0:24:160:24:20

And with a successful prosecution,

0:24:200:24:22

they hope fraudsters will think twice about running such a scam again.

0:24:220:24:26

It's a massive result for the team.

0:24:270:24:29

It sends out a message that we won't tolerate businesses that go to these

0:24:290:24:34

lengths to defraud consumers and businesses.

0:24:340:24:39

And being able to successfully take home a job of this size and scale

0:24:390:24:43

does bring a certain amount of satisfaction and pride to the team.

0:24:430:24:47

Still to come on Rip-Off Britain,

0:24:530:24:55

the companies repeatedly selling their targets vitamin pills

0:24:550:24:58

and products costing hundreds of pounds -

0:24:580:25:01

but how much of what they're flogging

0:25:010:25:03

is even what they say it is?

0:25:030:25:05

I was really upset.

0:25:050:25:08

I was gobsmacked, actually.

0:25:080:25:09

I felt angry, I felt...

0:25:090:25:11

upset that I hadn't picked up on it, to be quite honest.

0:25:110:25:16

Sorry...

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The Trafford Centre in Manchester was this year's venue for our annual Rip-Off Britain pop-up shop,

0:25:210:25:26

where one of the real joys

0:25:260:25:27

is meeting up with as many of you as we possibly can.

0:25:270:25:30

Good morning, how are you?

0:25:300:25:32

I think I'll keep you with me today, Henry.

0:25:320:25:34

You'd be a very good sparring partner, do you know that?

0:25:340:25:37

Do I get a kiss bye-bye?

0:25:370:25:38

A slobbery one!

0:25:380:25:40

A nice slobbery one?

0:25:400:25:42

Lovely.

0:25:420:25:43

Now, one of the people keen to get some help from our team of experts

0:25:430:25:46

was 70-year-old Roy Saddler.

0:25:460:25:48

He's come to see our technology guru, David McLelland,

0:25:480:25:52

about a very frustrating problem with his phone line.

0:25:520:25:55

Right, David is your man.

0:25:550:25:56

Tell us what the problem is, exactly.

0:25:560:25:59

Periodically, I get very loud crackling noises

0:25:590:26:02

that cut the broadband off.

0:26:020:26:04

And do you hear it on the telephone, when you're talking to people?

0:26:040:26:07

Oh, yes. Yes, very much so.

0:26:070:26:09

Roy has complained about these noises to his service provider.

0:26:090:26:12

But while the company has sent out engineers numerous times

0:26:120:26:16

to look at the connection,

0:26:160:26:17

Roy says the issue still hasn't been resolved.

0:26:170:26:20

And, for some of the visits, he's even had to foot the bill.

0:26:200:26:24

If an engineer comes round and finds there is a problem in the house,

0:26:240:26:28

he wants to charge me ?165, which I've paid twice up till now.

0:26:280:26:32

So that means you've paid ?330, and you've still not got it checked?

0:26:320:26:37

Since then, it's been a fault in the exchange,

0:26:370:26:40

it's been my line has been hit by lightning, and it's the router.

0:26:400:26:45

Well, after more than two years of the same problem,

0:26:450:26:48

Roy is hoping that David can give him some advice to get it sorted out

0:26:480:26:51

once and for all.

0:26:510:26:53

Let's boil this down a little bit.

0:26:530:26:54

The problem here is with the line that's coming from the exchange

0:26:540:26:57

into your house. Correct.

0:26:570:26:58

So it's not necessarily a broadband issue, it's a telephone line issue.

0:26:580:27:02

Correct. It's those copper lines that provide the various services

0:27:020:27:06

to your house. The challenge you've got is providing evidence to say,

0:27:060:27:09

I've got a problem with my line.

0:27:090:27:11

When they turn up, there is no problem.

0:27:110:27:13

Yet you're experiencing problems all the time.

0:27:130:27:15

So you need to show somehow that you've got those problems.

0:27:150:27:18

The name of the game here, I'm afraid to say, is one of persistence.

0:27:180:27:22

You've called engineers around, they're been doing lots of things,

0:27:220:27:25

apart from actually testing the line.

0:27:250:27:28

Exactly. Because that's the thing that takes them time,

0:27:280:27:30

and it takes them money, and they're under pressure.

0:27:300:27:33

But if you keep on calling them out, at the end of the day,

0:27:330:27:36

they're going to have to say, well,

0:27:360:27:37

either we fix this line or we're going to be round here every couple of weeks.

0:27:370:27:41

But should he have paid that money in the first place,

0:27:410:27:43

if it's actually a problem with the line? I don't believe so, no.

0:27:430:27:46

If there's a fault within your property,

0:27:460:27:48

then you are liable for those costs.

0:27:480:27:49

If it's outside your property, it is the infrastructure,

0:27:490:27:53

it's the service provider who bears those costs.

0:27:530:27:55

They think that they've found the fault inside your house,

0:27:550:27:58

but the fault is still there, so it's clearly not inside your house.

0:27:580:28:02

I feel your frustration.

0:28:020:28:04

Thank you very much. It's a very unfair service that you've been

0:28:040:28:07

receiving, and paying a lot of money for.

0:28:070:28:10

After visiting the pop-up shop,

0:28:100:28:12

Roy did again speak to his phone provider,

0:28:120:28:14

but alas, his phone line still crackles.

0:28:140:28:17

But he's ever hopeful that one day it will be sorted out.

0:28:170:28:20

Meanwhile, shoppers have been lining up in their droves

0:28:220:28:25

at our Gripe Corner,

0:28:250:28:26

ready to get some of their consumer grumbles off their chest.

0:28:260:28:29

What gets me really annoyed is bad customer service,

0:28:290:28:32

when people are serving you and not paying attention to you.

0:28:320:28:35

What really annoys me is the price of car insurance.

0:28:350:28:37

Why is it he lives ten miles away, and his insurance is cheaper?

0:28:370:28:40

You know what, what's the point in having a car?

0:28:400:28:43

What annoys me is when you go out shopping

0:28:430:28:46

and they never have the things in your size!

0:28:460:28:48

Now, I'm afraid every year on Rip-Off Britain,

0:28:510:28:53

we are contacted by viewers concerned that a friend

0:28:530:28:56

or elderly relative has been persuaded to sign up

0:28:560:28:58

to something that leads them to handing over hundreds or even thousands of pounds

0:28:580:29:03

for products or promises that simply do not stack up.

0:29:030:29:07

And in most cases, they're all just an out and out scam.

0:29:070:29:09

Very often, of course, the claims made to convince people to hand over

0:29:090:29:12

their cash are all too convincing.

0:29:120:29:15

So we've taken a look at some of the worst cases that you've told us about recently,

0:29:150:29:19

to see if there's anything that will stand up to scrutiny or,

0:29:190:29:22

indeed, maybe it was all just a big pack of lies from the beginning.

0:29:220:29:26

We've long been told of the importance of a balanced diet

0:29:300:29:33

to live a long and healthy life.

0:29:330:29:34

And as we get that bit older,

0:29:340:29:36

we're often advised to top up what we're eating with supplements,

0:29:360:29:39

to make sure that we get the vitamins and minerals we need

0:29:390:29:43

to keep the joints moving and our brains in tiptop condition.

0:29:430:29:47

So when 89-year-old Dorothy from Watford had a call from a company

0:29:470:29:51

offering to sell her some vitamins, she felt compelled to say yes.

0:29:510:29:56

But Dorothy's daughter, Sue,

0:29:560:29:57

says the cold caller was not entirely honest right from the beginning.

0:29:570:30:01

She said that she got the impression

0:30:030:30:05

that maybe they had this from her GP,

0:30:050:30:07

that they knew what her ailments possibly were.

0:30:070:30:10

But they directed it as if they were a doctor speaking. You know,

0:30:100:30:15

"What day-to-day issues do you have?

0:30:150:30:17

"What health care issues do you have?"

0:30:170:30:19

Being really quite personal,

0:30:190:30:21

and getting details from her about her health condition.

0:30:210:30:27

Thinking the caller had some connection with her doctor,

0:30:270:30:30

Dorothy agreed to buy some vitamins

0:30:300:30:32

and gave her bank details over the phone.

0:30:320:30:34

But I'm afraid that was just the start.

0:30:340:30:37

Dorothy was then inundated with calls from other vitamin companies

0:30:370:30:40

as well, and each time, she ended up buying more.

0:30:400:30:44

Why do you feel you continued to buy them, Mum?

0:30:450:30:49

What was it that made you?

0:30:490:30:51

I don't know, just thought it would do me good.

0:30:510:30:55

I don't think she would have really understood

0:30:550:30:58

what was occurring, what was happening.

0:30:580:31:01

Overwhelmed and really confused by the number of calls,

0:31:010:31:05

Dorothy kept on buying more vitamins, and her daughter, Sue,

0:31:050:31:08

only found out what was happening when she noticed regular payments

0:31:080:31:12

of up to ?900 leaving her mother's account.

0:31:120:31:17

I was really upset, I was gobsmacked, actually.

0:31:170:31:21

I felt angry. I felt...

0:31:210:31:24

upset that I hadn't picked up on it, to be quite honest.

0:31:240:31:27

Sorry...

0:31:270:31:28

Hi, Mum. I just thought we'd have a quick look through these together.

0:31:310:31:36

Over a period of 15 months,

0:31:360:31:38

Dorothy had spent an incredible ?24,000 on vitamins,

0:31:380:31:42

money she just can't afford to lose.

0:31:420:31:44

We reached the point where, on the month when it all came to light,

0:31:440:31:49

she'd actually for the first time gone into arrears on her bank account.

0:31:490:31:53

And we had to get money transferred in to get it back into credit,

0:31:530:31:57

and that was very alarming.

0:31:570:32:00

Sue called Dorothy's bank and asked them to block any further payments.

0:32:000:32:04

But the bank explained that staff had actually called Dorothy

0:32:040:32:07

to query the transactions, but she confirmed that all was OK.

0:32:070:32:11

They showed us various recorded details of where the bank had directly phoned my mum,

0:32:110:32:19

and where they had requested her to confirm that she was happy

0:32:190:32:23

with some of the amounts that were going out of her bank account.

0:32:230:32:28

And each time they contacted her, she just said,

0:32:280:32:32

"Yes, I did authorise that payment."

0:32:320:32:36

Sue's next call was to Hertfordshire Trading Standards,

0:32:360:32:39

where Sue Shanahan took up Dorothy's case.

0:32:390:32:41

I did ask her, "Why do you not just put the phone down?"

0:32:430:32:48

And she said, "You know, I've tried, I tell them no,

0:32:480:32:51

"but they just keep going on and on, and on, they are so persistent,

0:32:510:32:55

"they won't take no for an answer, so I just give in.

0:32:550:32:58

"You know, I don't want the confrontation,

0:32:580:33:01

"it's just easier to get the bank card and pay up."

0:33:010:33:04

It's so sad, but Sue and her colleagues have heard many similar stories

0:33:040:33:07

about vitamin companies that repeatedly target the elderly.

0:33:070:33:11

And she's keen to raise awareness of how they typically operate.

0:33:110:33:15

I'm aware that there are dozens of these health care companies

0:33:150:33:18

out there at the moment who are targeting our elderly and vulnerable

0:33:180:33:21

over the phone to sell them vitamins.

0:33:210:33:23

If they find a victim who will pay up, who will not complain,

0:33:230:33:28

not contact their bank, then they will target them again and,

0:33:280:33:32

as well as that, they will pass on their details

0:33:320:33:35

to other companies to target.

0:33:350:33:37

Which is why we end up with so many of these products being sold,

0:33:370:33:42

when they are not wanted or not needed.

0:33:420:33:44

It's a massive, massive problem and hundreds,

0:33:440:33:48

thousands of pounds are being spent.

0:33:480:33:50

And these expensive products are not just sold over the phone.

0:33:530:33:56

Many vitamin companies target pensioners by post,

0:33:560:33:58

seizing their attention with the promise of a huge cash prize.

0:33:580:34:02

"Yes, you've won ?15,500 - nought, nought -

0:34:040:34:10

"in our multi-wins grand draw.

0:34:100:34:13

"This sum is available from this morning, so claim it right away."

0:34:130:34:20

Margaret from Brighton, who has Alzheimer's,

0:34:200:34:23

received a letter many of us will have come across,

0:34:230:34:25

telling her she had won a small fortune

0:34:250:34:28

and all she had to do to release the money

0:34:280:34:30

was to sign up and buy some vitamins.

0:34:300:34:32

It was a message that she found very hard to resist.

0:34:320:34:36

Now, on all of those, I would have done something,

0:34:360:34:40

bought something, or whatever I had to do.

0:34:400:34:44

Even to her son, Richard,

0:34:440:34:45

the offer of a cash prize seemed quite convincing.

0:34:450:34:49

There is everything on there that would lead you to believe

0:34:490:34:52

that you were just one more cheque away, I think, from riches.

0:34:520:34:57

It seemed to Margaret that she had nothing to lose,

0:34:580:35:01

with the benefits of taking vitamins,

0:35:010:35:03

coupled with the promise of the ?15,500 prize,

0:35:030:35:07

she was happy to place an order.

0:35:070:35:09

But once she made a purchase,

0:35:090:35:10

more companies called to sell her even more vitamins,

0:35:100:35:14

and soon she was buying supplements faster

0:35:140:35:16

than she could ever have taken them.

0:35:160:35:18

They did get put over here, on this kitchen surface.

0:35:180:35:23

And they came out, literally,

0:35:230:35:25

all the way across and about three deep at the worst of it.

0:35:250:35:29

The bottles of pills were in every single room.

0:35:290:35:32

Lights! Well, here we've still got

0:35:340:35:37

quite a stack of the Tonic Royals.

0:35:370:35:41

That's one, two, three, four, five, seven of them,

0:35:410:35:44

five of them not even out of their packing.

0:35:440:35:47

One of the companies selling to her is called Biotonic, based in France.

0:35:470:35:52

She bought a product called Tonic Royal with ginseng,

0:35:520:35:55

which contains the honey bee secretion royal jelly -

0:35:550:35:58

said by some to be very good for your immune system.

0:35:580:36:02

She also bought pots and pots of a manganese compound, claimed to be,

0:36:020:36:05

amongst other things, an antioxidant.

0:36:050:36:08

There were also pots of jouvence and lecithine,

0:36:080:36:11

containing that all-important vitamin C,

0:36:110:36:13

another supplement generally thought

0:36:130:36:15

to be really good for the immune system.

0:36:150:36:17

And while we're not going to question the apparent benefits of the supplements themselves,

0:36:190:36:24

we've heard complaints and concerns about Biotonic many times before.

0:36:240:36:29

So, with the company's products hardly what you'd call cheap,

0:36:290:36:32

we were interested to know if it's pills really contain quite as much

0:36:320:36:36

of those key ingredients as they claimed.

0:36:360:36:38

So we asked scientist John Griffin from Kent Scientific Services

0:36:390:36:43

to run some tests on a few of Margaret's pills.

0:36:430:36:46

So, when we tested the four products,

0:36:470:36:50

the results were interesting and varied.

0:36:500:36:54

First up, John tested how much royal jelly was in this Tonic Royal.

0:36:540:36:58

So, when we looked up the honey product, or the Royal Tonic,

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we looked at the sugar profile and certainly the levels of sugar in there

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were consistent with a honey-based material being in there.

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Our estimations were around 30%, so the label declared around 34%.

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So, in terms of information,

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this appeared to be sufficiently accurate.

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Now, remember, we weren't questioning if the products

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actually do what's being claimed,

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just whether they even contain the ingredients they're supposed to.

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This first one did, although there was something of a surprise

0:37:290:37:32

with the next product tested,

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the manganese compound.

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We did find manganese. We didn't find it at the level they declared.

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It was about 19% lower.

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The acceptable tolerance in terms of accuracy of information is 20%.

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So it just crept within that acceptable tolerance.

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The accuracy of this information certainly could be a lot tighter.

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So, this product contained just about enough manganese to pass,

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but still 19% less than you pay for.

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And things were even worse with the final two tablets,

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sold as being full of vitamin C.

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So, when we looked at the jouvence and the lecithine tablets,

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the level of vitamin C present was significantly less than the declared values.

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In one case, it was less than 1% of the declared value.

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In the other, it was around about half.

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So the levels of vitamin C there

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would not allow you to make any health claims based on the intake,

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or based on the number of tablets you should take per day.

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So, would really have no beneficial nutritional effects whatsoever.

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In other words, these pills, of which Margaret has bought

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dozens and dozens of pots, really aren't worth the money,

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as she would really struggle to feel the health benefits

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normally associated with this kind of vitamin supplement.

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We put our findings to Biotonic in France,

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but the company didn't respond to any of our questions.

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But for Sue Shanahan at Hertfordshire Trading Standards,

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what we found just confirms what she has always believed,

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that such companies are encouraging older people to waste their money

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on health products that they just don't need,

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and she thinks it's crucial that that message is passed on.

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The advice from Trading Standards for families

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who might be really worried

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about their elderly relations, their vulnerable relations,

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is talk to them about these scams.

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Tell them what's going on,

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because the more informed people are,

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the less likely they are to fall for them.

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And it isn't simply the sale of vitamin pills that Sue includes in that warning.

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She's concerned about all manner of other scams,

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from those that have come in a phone call right out of the blue,

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to door-to-door sellers, trying to coach you into buying on the spot.

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Her advice for all of them is to steer well clear.

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If you get a cold call out of the blue, didn't ask them to call,

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didn't want them to call, and someone's trying to sell you something,

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say no. Just don't buy.

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You don't give your bank details to a complete stranger,

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even if they say they are calling from the doctors,

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they're calling from the police, they're calling from your bank.

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They're a stranger, you don't know who they are,

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you don't tell them anything.

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It may sometimes be, of course,

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that an elderly relative has signed up to an expensive scam without

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realising. So Sue advises relatives and friends to be on the lookout

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for suspicious parcels.

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If you're a relation and you're concerned about a family member,

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and you think they might be falling victim to scams,

0:40:280:40:31

look out for unusual products, look out for unusual amounts of products.

0:40:310:40:35

Ask about those products and how they were sold, and be supportive.

0:40:350:40:40

Because shame is often what stops people reporting these crimes.

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Now, if you find anything you think is a scam,

0:40:450:40:48

report it to your local Trading Standards and the police immediately.

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Back in Watford, while Dorothy and her daughter have to accept

0:40:520:40:55

that they will never recover the ?24,000 spent on vitamins,

0:40:550:40:59

the good news is that Trading Standards

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has now installed a call blocker on her phone,

0:41:020:41:05

so at least she'll no longer receive any more nuisance calls.

0:41:050:41:09

And Sue wants others to be aware of how easy it is for fraudsters

0:41:090:41:13

to target vulnerable people and what that can end up costing.

0:41:130:41:17

I don't want other families to go through what we've been through.

0:41:170:41:22

And realise just how vulnerable people are.

0:41:220:41:28

So I want people to listen and then maybe look around them.

0:41:280:41:32

It could be a neighbour.

0:41:320:41:33

Check in the nicest way possible,

0:41:330:41:35

that they are not being ripped off for a load of money, or taken for a ride.

0:41:350:41:41

Meanwhile, in Brighton, Margaret,

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who is ?5,000 out of pocket, won't be buying any more tablets either.

0:41:430:41:47

And she'll be ignoring further promises of big cash prizes.

0:41:470:41:52

You get little yellow leaflets every now and again. Yes, to send cash.

0:41:520:41:56

But I don't. No, good girl.

0:41:560:41:58

Excellent. Thank you.

0:41:580:41:59

If you've got a story you'd like us to investigate,

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get in touch with us via our Facebook page, BBC Rip Off Britain,

0:42:090:42:14

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0:42:140:42:20

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0:42:200:42:24

Or if you want to send us a letter, our address is...

0:42:240:42:28

Well, that's just about all we've got time for today.

0:42:390:42:42

But I must say, it's really shocking

0:42:420:42:44

to see just how ruthless those scammers are.

0:42:440:42:47

There seems to be no limit to what they'll do or say to get their

0:42:470:42:50

hands on someone else's money.

0:42:500:42:51

So, a huge, genuine thanks to everyone who has shared their experience with us today,

0:42:510:42:56

because, as we've said on this programme many times before,

0:42:560:42:59

any one of us could be scammed.

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And it really is only with the help people who are prepared to talk about

0:43:010:43:04

what's happened to them that we can be warned and stop others from being

0:43:040:43:09

taken in in the same way.

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So, if you find yourself targeted by a scammer in any way at all,

0:43:110:43:14

please do let us know.

0:43:140:43:16

You can bet this is a topic we will be coming back to again and again.

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Also, keep sending us your other consumer stories as well,

0:43:190:43:22

because the team is working on many more programmes

0:43:220:43:25

for the next few months.

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So it could be your experience we're investigating on one of them.

0:43:270:43:30

But for now, that's where we leave it.

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From all of us on the Rip Off Britain team,

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thanks for your company and we'll see you soon.

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Goodbye. Bye.

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0:44:150:44:17

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0:44:190:44:21

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