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The law says everyone has the right to a safe place to live. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
I worry about the fire risk here. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
But for thousands of people across Britain, | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
the reality can be more hovel than home. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:13 | |
How many months ago was it that we had this place cleaned? | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
The whole of that bit goes black with mould. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
Hello? | 0:00:18 | 0:00:19 | |
In the battle between tenants and landlords... | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
-It's your fault, not the door's fault. -This is what you get. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
..it's local housing officers... | 0:00:25 | 0:00:26 | |
What's causing that smell? | 0:00:26 | 0:00:27 | |
..who are on the front line. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
The son's come out with baseball bats and knives on occasions. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
I'm Matt Allwright... | 0:00:32 | 0:00:33 | |
A lot of this problem is caused by the dogs. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
-That's your responsibility. -Yeah. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
..and I'm back on the job, once again joining the ranks of the housing enforcers. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
It's got that mouse smell. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
They're tackling problem properties... | 0:00:44 | 0:00:45 | |
This feels like an accident waiting to happen. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:49 | |
..dealing with the consequences of nightmare neighbours... | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
So, I need to tell you that you're committing an offence under the Housing Act. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
..and doing their best to help those in need. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
We've won. | 0:00:58 | 0:00:59 | |
Today... | 0:01:06 | 0:01:07 | |
Can you tell me what it is? | 0:01:07 | 0:01:08 | |
I'm working on the basis that it's marijuana. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
..council housing officers attempt to sniff out an illegal drug den. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
Got to be careful, in case there's any needles around. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
A dispute between a landlord and tenant... | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
The other room as well is having the same issue. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:24 | |
..reaches breaking point. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
The gentleman here is not being reasonable. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
And I investigate one property so crammed with clutter... | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
It's hard to see where you would sleep. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
..that it's putting the occupants at risk. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
We have had the Fire Brigade round to have a look. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
Right now, Britain is in the middle of a housing crisis. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
If you want to buy a property, typically | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
you will need to have saved almost three years' salary as a deposit. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:54 | |
And that will get you a mortgage that will make your eyes water. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:58 | |
No wonder we've now got more people renting | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
than at any time in the last 60 years. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
Protecting those renters are the country's housing enforcers. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:09 | |
And in this programme, that's what I'll be training to become. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
Anyone can find themselves with problem neighbours. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
But what happens when it goes beyond a few parking rows | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
and some loud music? | 0:02:21 | 0:02:22 | |
Is there anything worse than finding out you've got a drugs den in the neighbourhood? | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
It's disgusting behaviour and won't be tolerated. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
Dealing with the ultimate in nightmare neighbours | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
comes with the territory | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
for antisocial behaviour officer Tony Silverio. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
Hi. Right, what have you got for me today? | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
We've got quite an interesting day for you. Or, at least the morning. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
I'm in Stevenage. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
And I'm learning what happens when a property or, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
more accurately, the tenants require drastic action. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
These were properties that had | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
quite a heavy drugs activity in the past. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:07 | |
They were the subject of a number of drugs warrants. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:12 | |
Can you tell me what it is? | 0:03:13 | 0:03:14 | |
I'm working on the basis that it's marijuana of some sort. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
It is cannabis. And that's a cannabis grinder. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
So, they just turn it and grind it into smaller pieces | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
to add to their tobacco. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
I've seen housing officers go to great lengths | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
to make sure that tenants can stay in their properties. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
But there comes a point when the local authority | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
has to take the welfare of the rest of the community into account. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
In our case, we want to make sure there's a safe environment for everybody else | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
who lives around that property. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:43 | |
So one of the things we immediately try and do | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
is to disrupt whoever is at the property. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
Once they've been arrested by the police, | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
if we put a closure order on the property, | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
it means that their associates will no longer keep going to that locality. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
And that means that, for three months, | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
the neighbours, the residents can have peace of mind, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:07 | |
because they know that these people aren't turning up any more. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
Closure orders come under antisocial behaviour legislation | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
and their use to deal with drug dens | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
has led to them becoming known as crack house closure orders. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
They give the police or the local authority | 0:04:21 | 0:04:23 | |
the power to close a property down for a period of three months | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
if a person is engaged in disorderly, offensive or criminal behaviour on the premises. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:32 | |
Or the use of the premises has resulted in serious nuisance to members of the public. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:37 | |
Or if there has been disorder near those premises, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
associated with the use of those premises. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
The whole point of the closure order is that we have a court order | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
that specifically says you are no longer permitted to enter this property. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
If you do, you are going to get arrested. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
Presumably, Tony, what you'd really like is to be able to take this property away | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
and instantly give it to somebody else that really needs it? | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
It's not quite as straightforward as that. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
But that is the end result we are looking for. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
What we try and do is do the property closure, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
go back to court and obtain an eviction order. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
We then take back the property. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
And, clearly, we've got people on the waiting list who are far more deserving of those properties. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:21 | |
Once the three months have elapsed, the council can then enforce an eviction order, | 0:05:21 | 0:05:26 | |
provided it's been granted by the courts. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
OK, it's time to go out there and have a look. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
At the first address on the list, | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
it looks like the council's actions are working. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
The boards still seem to be in place, anyway. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
And the closure orders are all still there as well. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
And the windows are all still in place. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
So it's not looking, from the outside, certainly, | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
as if anyone's tried to get in. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
No. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:55 | |
This is a really nice, well-kept community of houses, isn't it? | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
It is. And as you can see, it's, you know, | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
a leafy, green part of Stevenage | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
with many families all being affected by one household. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
They would have all known what's going on here, really, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
because, you know, the pattern of behaviour here is completely different | 0:06:10 | 0:06:14 | |
from maybe all the other houses where people are, you know, | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
going to work, taking their kids to school. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
-This is, like, day-long, night-long nonsense, isn't it? -Absolutely. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
Will things be just as secure at the second property? | 0:06:25 | 0:06:29 | |
This feels pretty solid. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
Closure orders like these are an important tool in combating antisocial behaviour | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
and also helping to protect the wider community. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
But the council still has a duty of care to the offending tenant. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
As landlords, we may not like it, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
but how are we going to evict somebody when they have an addiction? | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
We are very much dependent on putting a case to a court and a judge, | 0:06:52 | 0:06:57 | |
who will determine whether they're going to make somebody homeless. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
At the back of their mind is going to be the thought, | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
this individual is a vulnerable individual with an addiction. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
If we make them homeless, what is going to happen to them, | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
in light of the fact that they have quite a serious addiction? | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
There's a very good chance they could be dead in a few months. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
And that is a very difficult thing for everyone to deal with. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:23 | |
The closure order has meant the tenants haven't been able to access their properties for three months. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:28 | |
During that time, one of them has decided to terminate their tenancy, | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
saving the council the hassle of eviction. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
That means it's time for project officer Peter Lerman | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
to assess the damage and see what needs to be done | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
to bring the property back into occupation. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
There's a lot of work here. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
Right, it needs a clearance, three new doors. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
I've got to be careful, in case there's any needles around. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
The renovation provides the perfect opportunity to install a new kitchen | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
from the council's Decent Homes budget. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
This is funding provided by central government to ensure that social housing is up to scratch. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
There ain't much of a kitchen in here, and what is... Isn't much left. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
So, this'll get Decent Homes. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:23 | |
The bath is new-ish. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
The basin could be original. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
The toilet's new-ish, so it wouldn't get Decent Homes. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
It's just in poor condition. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
So we'll sort the plinth out under the toilet | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
and then tidy it up and it'll stay like that for the next tenant. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:43 | |
Peter and his team wasted no time in getting the flat fully renovated. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:49 | |
And now that new tenants have finally moved in, | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
that's got to be good news for the neighbours. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
Now, there's an old saying that talk is cheap. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
But if you get a tenant and a landlord who aren't talking, | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
it can be downright expensive for everyone involved. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
In the West Midlands, | 0:09:12 | 0:09:13 | |
Sandwell Council's housing standards officer, Richard Hawkins, | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
is on his way to a property | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
where the tenants complained the landlord won't carry out repairs. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
But the landlord insists it's the tenant who won't let him in to do the work. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:27 | |
It's a classic problem. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:28 | |
So, we've left it 21 days to try and get some kind of agreement to a negotiation going between the two. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:34 | |
Unfortunately, that's now failed. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
With both parties blaming the other and the situation in deadlock, | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
Richard has to get to the bottom of the problem. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
I'm going to go out today, assess the property, | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
give it a good inspection from top to bottom, and, hopefully, | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
have a chat with the tenant and maybe get the landlord down there | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
to try and resolve this access problem. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
-Mr Bulgari in? -Yeah. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:53 | |
-Are you OK to come in? -Come in. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
-How are you? -Fine. -Nice to meet you. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
Tenant Fuseini has been renting the house | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
with his wife and three young children for four months. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
We contacted your landlord and he said he hadn't been able to access the property. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
Has he tried to access or send anybody round to try and do anything? | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
He sent two builders and they've come and checked, | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
but I don't know what they told him. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
The only thing I know is, | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
every time I try to talk to him about the repairs, | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
he said he can't afford it, | 0:10:20 | 0:10:22 | |
it's too costly, he can't afford it. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
-Telling you that he can't afford it? -Yeah. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
He's still got to repair any additional repairs that are in this property, | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
which, obviously, you can show me the issues to that and we can come to that next. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:34 | |
And first on the list is the kitchen window. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
This place, when it was raining, you see? | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
When it's raining, you see the door is closed. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
But water enters. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:44 | |
Right, OK. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
It's closed, but when it's raining... | 0:10:48 | 0:10:49 | |
Oh, yeah, you can see the water's poured inside it. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
But there's a much bigger issue | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
that really isn't helping to calm down relations between the tenant and the landlord. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
This kitchen, there's no heating system here. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
Yep. OK. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:03 | |
There's no heater in here at all. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
It's a shame, because it's done to such a high standard, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
you'd expect simple things like heating to have been put in. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
-No heating. -No heating here. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
And it's having a very serious knock-on effect. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
You've got quite a considerable amount of mould growth. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
You've got this layer of cold and damp. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
You can actually see it's condensation. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
Because there's no heating, warm, moist air from cooking | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
is condensing on the cold walls and windows, | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
making the kitchen a breeding ground for mould and mildew. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
But upstairs, too much moisture of a whole other kind | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
is causing a more serious problem. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
OK, right. Quite a lot of... | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
-I can actually smell the damp in here. -It's very bad. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
That's why I say it's very bad for the kids. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
It's actually bubbling. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:48 | |
The difference between condensation and penetrative, | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
and you can see it here, is the bubbling. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
I mean, this is a watertight paint. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
It's a gloss finish. | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
And you can see that I'm actually pushing the plasterwork underneath. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
You can see it moving. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
Penetrating damp is caused by water leaking through the walls, | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
usually as a result of structural problems in a building. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
And you don't need a surveyor to spot what's causing it here. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
There's no guttering above. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:16 | |
So, obviously, the water is hitting the wall, coming straight down. The flashing's gone. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
Literally that entire wall has got a penetration issue. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
He's accusing us that we are damaging his property... | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
That's not the case at all. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:28 | |
Whether it's down to the landlord being unwilling to make repairs, | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
or Fuseini being unwilling to let him in, | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
this is a lose-lose situation. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
The landlord's facing a much bigger repair bill | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
and the family's paying for a room they can't use. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
When we started getting this problem, | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
all the kids I moved with us in one room, | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
because the other room as well is having the same issue. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
The family of five are currently all sleeping in one room, | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
because they say the third bedroom is also uninhabitable. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
But unlike the penetrating damp, which the landlord needs to fix next door, | 0:12:58 | 0:13:03 | |
this room just needs a good airing. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
To be honest, wind and ventilation would stop the mould growing. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
Basically, with this, it's condensation, | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
because it's a cold part and you've got the blinds in the way. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
Damp problems can often occur because tenants don't ventilate the place properly. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:19 | |
And Richard has a simple solution to bring the room back into use. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
What you need to do - bleach it. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:25 | |
I've been bleaching. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:27 | |
-How often? -Weekly. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
Weekly? That's more than a week's growth of mould. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
OK, I've seen everything. Thank you. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
Coming up later, we'll be hearing the landlord's side of the story from his brother. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:42 | |
My young brother's sent e-mails and we've not had any response. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
And Richard's still left trying to work out who's at fault. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
I think that there's probably two sides to what's going on. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
And, obviously, there's been a bit of friction. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
Situated on the coast of Kent is the borough of Swale. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
Home to almost 150,000 people, | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
the area is within commuter reach from London, | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
meaning property prices are constantly on the increase. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
The result of that is a huge gap between benefits received and rental prices. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:18 | |
I'm joining up with housing options officer Sue Davis | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
from Swale District Council. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
She often has to deal with the problem of homelessness. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
Today, Sue is going to introduce me to a young lady | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
who's in a situation that Sue has to deal with a lot. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
This young lady came to me a couple of weeks back, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
dragging the most enormous suitcase ever. And your mum on the phone to me, | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
saying the situation had completely broken down beyond any reconciliation. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
No family members at all to stay with. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
No more friends to stay with. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
And you presented as homeless, didn't you? | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
We thought of everything - friends, relatives, there was nowhere to go. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
Mum, Dad, very emotional. | 0:14:57 | 0:14:59 | |
Everyone would not let Louise back in the family home at all. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
So, we were left with no choice on that night. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
We placed her in temporary emergency accommodation here, | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
which has fantastic support and we use as a stepping stone. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
So, we could be looking at seeing whether or not we can get you back to Mum's. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
Or we look to see whether we need to move you on to a young person's scheme. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:20 | |
But at any point in all of that, no matter what happens, | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
going back to parents is something that we always want you to do, if that's possible. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
-Do you still feel the same? -That's not going to happen. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
Me and Mum spoke about it. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
I'm not allowed back. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:32 | |
She says we get on better when I'm not there. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
Did she use the words "not allowed back"? | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
Young people risking life on the streets is a serious and growing problem. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:47 | |
In 2014, there were just under 111,000 applications | 0:15:47 | 0:15:52 | |
for homelessness made in England. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:53 | |
Just over half were under the age of 25. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
More than half became homeless | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
because of a relationship breakdown. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
And over six out of ten young homeless people | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
aren't in education, employment or training. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
-Are you scared to go home in case it goes wrong? -No. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
There's just no point, because I'll be back. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:13 | |
So you're worried it will go wrong? | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
No, I'm not worried about it. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
I know it will go wrong anyway, | 0:16:17 | 0:16:18 | |
and I'll be back within a couple of weeks. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
It's a growing problem. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
And like Louise, it's often due to a rift between the young person and their family. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:27 | |
-Is it all right if I have a quick chat to Louise? -Yeah. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
-If that's all right with you, Louise, yeah? -Thank you. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
What's it giving you, being here and not home? | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
I don't know. My own little bit of space, really. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
-Sue's amazing. -Mm. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:41 | |
I mean, she's sitting there and she is into every part of your life | 0:16:41 | 0:16:46 | |
and trying to understand it and help you with it. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
So what is she? | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
Is she, like, erm... | 0:16:51 | 0:16:52 | |
Is she a friend or is she, you know, | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
someone from the council or a family member? | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
I see her as a mother figure, to be quite honest. | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
So, the next step is to try and get other accommodation out of here, | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
something a bit more permanent, a bit more independent. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
I don't know. Maybe. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:07 | |
-I don't have a clue. -Do you not? -No. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:09 | |
You've got to work out who you are. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:11 | |
And, you know, this doesn't happen overnight. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
So, best of luck. Fingers crossed. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
-Thank you. -Cheers. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:17 | |
Back in the office, I want to understand a little more | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
about how Sue manages to mediate these situations. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
You just sort of pour in the care and affection until they submit. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
That's your technique, isn't it? It's just relentless. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
Yeah. You don't give up. You cannot give up with young people. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
And with Louise, I have a complete feeling that I'm going to get her home, | 0:17:35 | 0:17:40 | |
even if it's just temporary. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
But all she's saying to you the whole time is, | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
"I'm never going back there." | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
You know, your instinct is to override that | 0:17:47 | 0:17:52 | |
and do what you think's best for her. Is that right? | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
Her and her mum have a good relationship. They just don't know it at the moment. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
A few days later and Sue is off to a meeting at Porchlight, | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
one of the local charities that specialises in providing accommodation | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
for the more vulnerable homeless. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
We're off to a young person's housing scheme to meet Louise. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
She's got an interview at one with support workers. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
A fantastic scheme for young people. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
And we're going to meet with her at one | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
and see how she gets on at the interview. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
You're going to be absolutely fine. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
As Sue and Louise head on inside to meet the project managers... | 0:18:28 | 0:18:32 | |
Hello. It's Sue and Louise. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:33 | |
..the camera crew remain outside to make sure the interview stays private. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
This is a Kent-based charity | 0:18:38 | 0:18:40 | |
that's been operating since the early '70s, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
working to bring some relief and support to the homeless | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
by putting a roof over their heads | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
or by helping to prevent them from being homeless in the first place. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
Well, just finished the interview with Louise. It went really well. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:58 | |
She did really well. I'm really proud of her. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
She's got to wait about a week for it to be decided. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:02 | |
And then we'll find out more and catch up with her then. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
This is a terrific step forward. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
For Sue and her colleagues, | 0:19:08 | 0:19:09 | |
getting young people like Louise back home with their parents is really key. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:14 | |
And on that note, Sue has an update. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
..is on the waiting list for the young person's scheme. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
She's back at home. So, that's really good. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
And she's just waiting for a flat to come up. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
And so we're going to carry on working with her | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
until we've got her finally settled. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
In the West Midlands, | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
Sandwell housing standards officer Richard Hawkins | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
has been trying to resolve a dispute between a landlord and a tenant over outstanding repairs. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:46 | |
He said he can't afford it, it's too costly. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
Richard hopes getting both parties together to talk | 0:19:50 | 0:19:52 | |
could still resolve the situation amicably. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
So the landlord's brother, Amir Afzal, has agreed to give his side of the argument. | 0:19:55 | 0:20:00 | |
I've heard what the tenants have said and I'd like to hear from you guys what's going on. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
-We can, perhaps, have a sit down first, have a chat... -Yeah, no problem at all. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
..and have a look at some of the stuff. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
-No problems. -OK, brilliant. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:10 | |
The first issue Richard wants to address is a classic breakdown in communication. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
My young brother's sent e-mails, | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
sent recorded delivery letters as well, | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
and we've not had any response. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:21 | |
So, the issues you've got with the tenants, basically, is that they're not coming back to you | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
and talking to you about issues or when... | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
It's not only that. The gentleman here is not being reasonable | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
in allowing people to come out and have a look | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
and see if there's any problem and what problems there are. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:37 | |
Although he claims the landlord said he can't afford the repairs, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
Fuseini's failure to grant access hasn't made it easy for him to work out what needs to be done. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:45 | |
He never phoned me. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
And the letters I've been receiving. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
But the e-mail, I don't check my e-mail often. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
If we just go back, rewind the whole matter, | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
and if people were reasonable with each other, there's not a problem that cannot be solved. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:02 | |
They might never agree about who's at fault, | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
but Richard's hoping a simple lesson in economics | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
will help both of them see sense and avoid the family having to leave. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:11 | |
Your brother's going to end up with an empty property that's going to have a void period | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
and you'll have to redecorate it | 0:21:15 | 0:21:16 | |
and you'll have to then go down advertising it, missing rent, | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
all that. A lot of cost. You're going to be going down a route | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
where you'll have to find another accommodation, | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
you're going to be moving, contracts, agency fees etc. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
There's a lot of costs for both of you here. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
If we can address that today, | 0:21:30 | 0:21:31 | |
then you can carry on, obviously, getting the rent in. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
-And then you, obviously, still have a family home. -Yeah. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
The first step is giving the landlord's brother access to the bedroom, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
so he can inspect the extent of the damage caused by the damp for himself. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:45 | |
-At first, when I walked in, I thought condensation. -Yeah. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
Then I noticed it stops dead here. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
Right. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:51 | |
And you've obviously got quite a line. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
-And if you look, it's bubbling. -Right. OK. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
You've got penetrating damp here. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
-You need to get a surveyor in to give you some advice on that. -OK. No problem. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
It seems like Richard's making progress. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
It goes to show, if you're dealing with landlord and tenant disputes, | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
clear communication is essential. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
In the future, whatever needs doing, addressing, | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
-I will contact you myself... -Yeah. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
-..and then we will arrange for people to come in and do whatever is necessary. -Yeah. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
OK, we have seen and discussed everything. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
But given their track record, Richard's leaving nothing to chance. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:27 | |
Now, if there's an issue in the future with repairs, | 0:22:27 | 0:22:31 | |
between either of you with communication or anything, | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
both of you, I'm going to give my mobile number and my office desk number | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
-and you come to me on either side if there's an issue, all right? -OK. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
Well, that looks like a successful visit to me. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
Thanks to Richard's diplomatic skills, | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
it seems like everything's back on track. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
If we can get the repairs over to the landlord, get him to sort those out, | 0:22:48 | 0:22:52 | |
now that the tenants and the landlord are talking with each other, we might be able to move forward. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
They can, hopefully, stay at the property | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
and get the repairs done and everyone's a winner. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
In Stevenage, the council owns and rents out around a quarter of the town's homes. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:14 | |
Right, so this one here... | 0:23:14 | 0:23:15 | |
'As part of my training, I'm joining housing officer Tracy Jackson | 0:23:15 | 0:23:19 | |
'on her latest visit to | 0:23:19 | 0:23:20 | |
'a council-run sheltered housing complex. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
'She wants me to see a really challenging case.' | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
What is the particular issue with this place? | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
The tenant has been hoarding for some time, | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
so, keeping a lot of belongings, | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
just not clearing at all. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
The tenants are an elderly couple and their 30-year-old son. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
They didn't want to appear on camera, | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
but were happy for us to film inside their flat. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
The bedrooms are through here. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
This is the son's bedroom. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
I don't know whether... | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
I think I'll just have to let you... Do you want to just come in? | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
-Yeah, I think that is a one-man job, that. -Have a one-man peek. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
-Yeah, I'm not going to be able to get much further than that. -No. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
But that is much, much better than when I last saw it. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
-This is an improvement? -Yeah, much better. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
There's still quite a long way to go, though. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
Between 2 and 5% of adults in the UK | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
show some symptoms of hoarding. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
It's considered a significant medical problem | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
when it seriously affects a person's ability to live normally. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:27 | |
In some cases, it's also associated with other mental health issues, | 0:24:27 | 0:24:31 | |
such as anxiety or depression. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
You're dealing with something that really has to be quite sensitively managed. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
Oh, definitely. And to part with the belongings, it is a big thing. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:43 | |
So it isn't just a practical job of clearing, | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
it's actually letting go of everything. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:48 | |
This is the gentleman's bedroom here. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
Oh, OK. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:54 | |
-And this is still being used as a bedroom? -Yes, yeah. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
-At the moment, you know, you've got just a mountain, really... -Yeah. | 0:24:56 | 0:25:02 | |
..of possessions there. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
That's right. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:05 | |
You know, I worry about the fire risk here. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
We have had the Fire Brigade round to have a look. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
But, you know, you do need to consider is it safe to have mountains of paper? | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
Tracy's fully aware that the tenants' safety comes first. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
But as the council's the landlord, | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
she also has to protect the property. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:24 | |
The clutter could lead to rodent or insect infestations, | 0:25:24 | 0:25:28 | |
blocked drains and other issues that could affect neighbouring properties. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
But despite these risks, she has to tread carefully | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
when dealing with what is a complex psychological condition. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
Where do you draw the line between intervention and interference? | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
Obviously, it's very important not to judge. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
So, as you say, people can live how they want, as long as it's safe. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:51 | |
You've also got to keep the property maintained. This is their home | 0:25:51 | 0:25:56 | |
-but it's not their property. -Yes. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:58 | |
It's our property, and we do need to keep it to a certain level. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
It's always going to come down to cooperation and collaboration | 0:26:01 | 0:26:05 | |
with the person that's living here, isn't it? | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
Yeah, we've got to allow them to live here peacefully. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:12 | |
It's their home, and we've got to remember that. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
But, you know, we are the landlords | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
and we need to take responsibility for that as well. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
Part of that responsibility is keeping the home up to scratch. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
The frustrating thing is that the council really wants to improve this property. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:30 | |
They've committed to fitting a new kitchen | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
under their Decent Homes initiative. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:34 | |
Right, so this is the kitchen in question... | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
-That's right. -..that we're talking about. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
Yeah, this is the kitchen that we'd like to redo. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
The kitchen fitters have already tried to do their job once, | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
but were scuppered by a room rammed full of stuff. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
But the council can't just throw out the tenants' belongings. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
It's important that the hoarder tackles their own problem | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
and takes responsibility for clearing the clutter themselves. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
It's been a long and slow process. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
But with Tracy's encouragement and support, | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
there are certainly signs of progress. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
Is that something that you've had to build up, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
that sense of trust, over time? | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
-Or was it actually... -Yes, over time. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
We would do monthly visits and say, "Can you clear a bit more?" | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
The gentleman has accepted that he is hoarding, which he says, for him, | 0:27:16 | 0:27:21 | |
is the first step, you know, towards making progress and improving, really. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:26 | |
Hoarding can be a difficult condition to understand | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
and it raises loads of questions. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
But it seems so long as these tenants have the council as a landlord, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
they're in the right hands. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
Of course, it's easy to look at that scenario there and say, | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
"People that treat a council house like that don't deserve one." | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
But then, they are the sort of people who need the protection of a council house | 0:27:46 | 0:27:51 | |
and the council to look over them and say, | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
"Listen, we can help you. We can make your lives better." | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
And that seems like what they're doing. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
They're making small steps to improve the property | 0:27:58 | 0:28:02 | |
and their standard of living. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:04 | |
That's it for today. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
Join me next time, when I'll be | 0:28:09 | 0:28:10 | |
finding out what it takes to become a front-line housing officer. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 |