Episode 6 The Housing Enforcers


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The law says everyone has the right to a safe place to live.

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I worry about the fire risk here.

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But for thousands of people across Britain,

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the reality can be more hovel than home.

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How many months ago was it that we had this place cleaned?

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The whole of that bit goes black with mould.

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Hello?

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In the battle between tenants and landlords...

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-It's your fault, not the door's fault.

-This is what you get.

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..it's local housing officers...

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What's causing that smell?

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..who are on the front line.

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The son's come out with baseball bats and knives on occasions.

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I'm Matt Allwright...

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A lot of this problem is caused by the dogs.

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-That's your responsibility.

-Yeah.

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..and I'm back on the job, once again joining the ranks of the housing enforcers.

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It's got that mouse smell.

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They're tackling problem properties...

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This feels like an accident waiting to happen.

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..dealing with the consequences of nightmare neighbours...

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So, I need to tell you that you're committing an offence under the Housing Act.

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..and doing their best to help those in need.

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We've won.

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Today...

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Can you tell me what it is?

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I'm working on the basis that it's marijuana.

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..council housing officers attempt to sniff out an illegal drug den.

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Got to be careful, in case there's any needles around.

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A dispute between a landlord and tenant...

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The other room as well is having the same issue.

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..reaches breaking point.

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The gentleman here is not being reasonable.

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And I investigate one property so crammed with clutter...

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It's hard to see where you would sleep.

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..that it's putting the occupants at risk.

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We have had the Fire Brigade round to have a look.

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Right now, Britain is in the middle of a housing crisis.

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If you want to buy a property, typically

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you will need to have saved almost three years' salary as a deposit.

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And that will get you a mortgage that will make your eyes water.

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No wonder we've now got more people renting

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than at any time in the last 60 years.

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Protecting those renters are the country's housing enforcers.

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And in this programme, that's what I'll be training to become.

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Anyone can find themselves with problem neighbours.

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But what happens when it goes beyond a few parking rows

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and some loud music?

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Is there anything worse than finding out you've got a drugs den in the neighbourhood?

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It's disgusting behaviour and won't be tolerated.

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Dealing with the ultimate in nightmare neighbours

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comes with the territory

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for antisocial behaviour officer Tony Silverio.

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Hi. Right, what have you got for me today?

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We've got quite an interesting day for you. Or, at least the morning.

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I'm in Stevenage.

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And I'm learning what happens when a property or,

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more accurately, the tenants require drastic action.

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These were properties that had

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quite a heavy drugs activity in the past.

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They were the subject of a number of drugs warrants.

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Can you tell me what it is?

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I'm working on the basis that it's marijuana of some sort.

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It is cannabis. And that's a cannabis grinder.

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So, they just turn it and grind it into smaller pieces

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to add to their tobacco.

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I've seen housing officers go to great lengths

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to make sure that tenants can stay in their properties.

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But there comes a point when the local authority

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has to take the welfare of the rest of the community into account.

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In our case, we want to make sure there's a safe environment for everybody else

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who lives around that property.

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So one of the things we immediately try and do

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is to disrupt whoever is at the property.

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Once they've been arrested by the police,

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if we put a closure order on the property,

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it means that their associates will no longer keep going to that locality.

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And that means that, for three months,

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the neighbours, the residents can have peace of mind,

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because they know that these people aren't turning up any more.

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Closure orders come under antisocial behaviour legislation

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and their use to deal with drug dens

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has led to them becoming known as crack house closure orders.

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They give the police or the local authority

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the power to close a property down for a period of three months

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if a person is engaged in disorderly, offensive or criminal behaviour on the premises.

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Or the use of the premises has resulted in serious nuisance to members of the public.

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Or if there has been disorder near those premises,

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associated with the use of those premises.

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The whole point of the closure order is that we have a court order

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that specifically says you are no longer permitted to enter this property.

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If you do, you are going to get arrested.

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Presumably, Tony, what you'd really like is to be able to take this property away

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and instantly give it to somebody else that really needs it?

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It's not quite as straightforward as that.

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But that is the end result we are looking for.

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What we try and do is do the property closure,

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go back to court and obtain an eviction order.

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We then take back the property.

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And, clearly, we've got people on the waiting list who are far more deserving of those properties.

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Once the three months have elapsed, the council can then enforce an eviction order,

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provided it's been granted by the courts.

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OK, it's time to go out there and have a look.

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At the first address on the list,

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it looks like the council's actions are working.

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The boards still seem to be in place, anyway.

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And the closure orders are all still there as well.

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And the windows are all still in place.

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So it's not looking, from the outside, certainly,

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as if anyone's tried to get in.

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No.

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This is a really nice, well-kept community of houses, isn't it?

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It is. And as you can see, it's, you know,

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a leafy, green part of Stevenage

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with many families all being affected by one household.

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They would have all known what's going on here, really,

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because, you know, the pattern of behaviour here is completely different

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from maybe all the other houses where people are, you know,

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going to work, taking their kids to school.

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-This is, like, day-long, night-long nonsense, isn't it?

-Absolutely.

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Will things be just as secure at the second property?

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This feels pretty solid.

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Closure orders like these are an important tool in combating antisocial behaviour

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and also helping to protect the wider community.

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But the council still has a duty of care to the offending tenant.

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As landlords, we may not like it,

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but how are we going to evict somebody when they have an addiction?

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We are very much dependent on putting a case to a court and a judge,

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who will determine whether they're going to make somebody homeless.

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At the back of their mind is going to be the thought,

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this individual is a vulnerable individual with an addiction.

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If we make them homeless, what is going to happen to them,

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in light of the fact that they have quite a serious addiction?

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There's a very good chance they could be dead in a few months.

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And that is a very difficult thing for everyone to deal with.

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The closure order has meant the tenants haven't been able to access their properties for three months.

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During that time, one of them has decided to terminate their tenancy,

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saving the council the hassle of eviction.

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That means it's time for project officer Peter Lerman

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to assess the damage and see what needs to be done

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to bring the property back into occupation.

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There's a lot of work here.

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Right, it needs a clearance, three new doors.

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I've got to be careful, in case there's any needles around.

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The renovation provides the perfect opportunity to install a new kitchen

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from the council's Decent Homes budget.

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This is funding provided by central government to ensure that social housing is up to scratch.

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There ain't much of a kitchen in here, and what is... Isn't much left.

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So, this'll get Decent Homes.

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The bath is new-ish.

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The basin could be original.

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The toilet's new-ish, so it wouldn't get Decent Homes.

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It's just in poor condition.

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So we'll sort the plinth out under the toilet

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and then tidy it up and it'll stay like that for the next tenant.

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Peter and his team wasted no time in getting the flat fully renovated.

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And now that new tenants have finally moved in,

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that's got to be good news for the neighbours.

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Now, there's an old saying that talk is cheap.

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But if you get a tenant and a landlord who aren't talking,

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it can be downright expensive for everyone involved.

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In the West Midlands,

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Sandwell Council's housing standards officer, Richard Hawkins,

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is on his way to a property

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where the tenants complained the landlord won't carry out repairs.

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But the landlord insists it's the tenant who won't let him in to do the work.

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It's a classic problem.

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So, we've left it 21 days to try and get some kind of agreement to a negotiation going between the two.

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Unfortunately, that's now failed.

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With both parties blaming the other and the situation in deadlock,

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Richard has to get to the bottom of the problem.

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I'm going to go out today, assess the property,

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give it a good inspection from top to bottom, and, hopefully,

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have a chat with the tenant and maybe get the landlord down there

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to try and resolve this access problem.

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-Mr Bulgari in?

-Yeah.

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-Are you OK to come in?

-Come in.

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-How are you?

-Fine.

-Nice to meet you.

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Tenant Fuseini has been renting the house

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with his wife and three young children for four months.

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We contacted your landlord and he said he hadn't been able to access the property.

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Has he tried to access or send anybody round to try and do anything?

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He sent two builders and they've come and checked,

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but I don't know what they told him.

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The only thing I know is,

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every time I try to talk to him about the repairs,

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he said he can't afford it,

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it's too costly, he can't afford it.

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-Telling you that he can't afford it?

-Yeah.

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He's still got to repair any additional repairs that are in this property,

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which, obviously, you can show me the issues to that and we can come to that next.

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And first on the list is the kitchen window.

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This place, when it was raining, you see?

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When it's raining, you see the door is closed.

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But water enters.

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Right, OK.

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It's closed, but when it's raining...

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Oh, yeah, you can see the water's poured inside it.

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But there's a much bigger issue

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that really isn't helping to calm down relations between the tenant and the landlord.

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This kitchen, there's no heating system here.

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Yep. OK.

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There's no heater in here at all.

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It's a shame, because it's done to such a high standard,

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you'd expect simple things like heating to have been put in.

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-No heating.

-No heating here.

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And it's having a very serious knock-on effect.

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You've got quite a considerable amount of mould growth.

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You've got this layer of cold and damp.

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You can actually see it's condensation.

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Because there's no heating, warm, moist air from cooking

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is condensing on the cold walls and windows,

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making the kitchen a breeding ground for mould and mildew.

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But upstairs, too much moisture of a whole other kind

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is causing a more serious problem.

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OK, right. Quite a lot of...

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-I can actually smell the damp in here.

-It's very bad.

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That's why I say it's very bad for the kids.

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It's actually bubbling.

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The difference between condensation and penetrative,

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and you can see it here, is the bubbling.

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I mean, this is a watertight paint.

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It's a gloss finish.

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And you can see that I'm actually pushing the plasterwork underneath.

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You can see it moving.

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Penetrating damp is caused by water leaking through the walls,

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usually as a result of structural problems in a building.

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And you don't need a surveyor to spot what's causing it here.

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There's no guttering above.

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So, obviously, the water is hitting the wall, coming straight down. The flashing's gone.

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Literally that entire wall has got a penetration issue.

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He's accusing us that we are damaging his property...

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That's not the case at all.

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Whether it's down to the landlord being unwilling to make repairs,

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or Fuseini being unwilling to let him in,

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this is a lose-lose situation.

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The landlord's facing a much bigger repair bill

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and the family's paying for a room they can't use.

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When we started getting this problem,

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all the kids I moved with us in one room,

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because the other room as well is having the same issue.

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The family of five are currently all sleeping in one room,

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because they say the third bedroom is also uninhabitable.

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But unlike the penetrating damp, which the landlord needs to fix next door,

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this room just needs a good airing.

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To be honest, wind and ventilation would stop the mould growing.

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Basically, with this, it's condensation,

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because it's a cold part and you've got the blinds in the way.

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Damp problems can often occur because tenants don't ventilate the place properly.

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And Richard has a simple solution to bring the room back into use.

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What you need to do - bleach it.

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I've been bleaching.

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-How often?

-Weekly.

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Weekly? That's more than a week's growth of mould.

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OK, I've seen everything. Thank you.

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Coming up later, we'll be hearing the landlord's side of the story from his brother.

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My young brother's sent e-mails and we've not had any response.

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And Richard's still left trying to work out who's at fault.

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I think that there's probably two sides to what's going on.

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And, obviously, there's been a bit of friction.

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Situated on the coast of Kent is the borough of Swale.

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Home to almost 150,000 people,

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the area is within commuter reach from London,

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meaning property prices are constantly on the increase.

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The result of that is a huge gap between benefits received and rental prices.

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I'm joining up with housing options officer Sue Davis

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from Swale District Council.

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She often has to deal with the problem of homelessness.

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Today, Sue is going to introduce me to a young lady

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who's in a situation that Sue has to deal with a lot.

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This young lady came to me a couple of weeks back,

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dragging the most enormous suitcase ever. And your mum on the phone to me,

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saying the situation had completely broken down beyond any reconciliation.

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No family members at all to stay with.

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No more friends to stay with.

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And you presented as homeless, didn't you?

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We thought of everything - friends, relatives, there was nowhere to go.

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Mum, Dad, very emotional.

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Everyone would not let Louise back in the family home at all.

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So, we were left with no choice on that night.

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We placed her in temporary emergency accommodation here,

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which has fantastic support and we use as a stepping stone.

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So, we could be looking at seeing whether or not we can get you back to Mum's.

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Or we look to see whether we need to move you on to a young person's scheme.

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But at any point in all of that, no matter what happens,

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going back to parents is something that we always want you to do, if that's possible.

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-Do you still feel the same?

-That's not going to happen.

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Me and Mum spoke about it.

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I'm not allowed back.

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She says we get on better when I'm not there.

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Did she use the words "not allowed back"?

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Young people risking life on the streets is a serious and growing problem.

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In 2014, there were just under 111,000 applications

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for homelessness made in England.

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Just over half were under the age of 25.

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More than half became homeless

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because of a relationship breakdown.

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And over six out of ten young homeless people

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aren't in education, employment or training.

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-Are you scared to go home in case it goes wrong?

-No.

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There's just no point, because I'll be back.

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So you're worried it will go wrong?

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No, I'm not worried about it.

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I know it will go wrong anyway,

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and I'll be back within a couple of weeks.

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It's a growing problem.

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And like Louise, it's often due to a rift between the young person and their family.

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-Is it all right if I have a quick chat to Louise?

-Yeah.

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-If that's all right with you, Louise, yeah?

-Thank you.

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What's it giving you, being here and not home?

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I don't know. My own little bit of space, really.

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-Sue's amazing.

-Mm.

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I mean, she's sitting there and she is into every part of your life

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and trying to understand it and help you with it.

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So what is she?

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Is she, like, erm...

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Is she a friend or is she, you know,

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someone from the council or a family member?

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I see her as a mother figure, to be quite honest.

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So, the next step is to try and get other accommodation out of here,

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something a bit more permanent, a bit more independent.

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I don't know. Maybe.

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-I don't have a clue.

-Do you not?

-No.

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You've got to work out who you are.

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And, you know, this doesn't happen overnight.

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So, best of luck. Fingers crossed.

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-Thank you.

-Cheers.

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Back in the office, I want to understand a little more

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about how Sue manages to mediate these situations.

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You just sort of pour in the care and affection until they submit.

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That's your technique, isn't it? It's just relentless.

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Yeah. You don't give up. You cannot give up with young people.

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And with Louise, I have a complete feeling that I'm going to get her home,

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even if it's just temporary.

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But all she's saying to you the whole time is,

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"I'm never going back there."

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You know, your instinct is to override that

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and do what you think's best for her. Is that right?

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Her and her mum have a good relationship. They just don't know it at the moment.

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A few days later and Sue is off to a meeting at Porchlight,

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one of the local charities that specialises in providing accommodation

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for the more vulnerable homeless.

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We're off to a young person's housing scheme to meet Louise.

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She's got an interview at one with support workers.

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A fantastic scheme for young people.

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And we're going to meet with her at one

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and see how she gets on at the interview.

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You're going to be absolutely fine.

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As Sue and Louise head on inside to meet the project managers...

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Hello. It's Sue and Louise.

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..the camera crew remain outside to make sure the interview stays private.

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This is a Kent-based charity

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that's been operating since the early '70s,

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working to bring some relief and support to the homeless

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by putting a roof over their heads

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or by helping to prevent them from being homeless in the first place.

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Well, just finished the interview with Louise. It went really well.

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She did really well. I'm really proud of her.

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She's got to wait about a week for it to be decided.

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And then we'll find out more and catch up with her then.

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This is a terrific step forward.

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For Sue and her colleagues,

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getting young people like Louise back home with their parents is really key.

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And on that note, Sue has an update.

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..is on the waiting list for the young person's scheme.

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She's back at home. So, that's really good.

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And she's just waiting for a flat to come up.

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And so we're going to carry on working with her

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until we've got her finally settled.

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In the West Midlands,

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Sandwell housing standards officer Richard Hawkins

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has been trying to resolve a dispute between a landlord and a tenant over outstanding repairs.

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He said he can't afford it, it's too costly.

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Richard hopes getting both parties together to talk

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could still resolve the situation amicably.

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So the landlord's brother, Amir Afzal, has agreed to give his side of the argument.

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I've heard what the tenants have said and I'd like to hear from you guys what's going on.

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-We can, perhaps, have a sit down first, have a chat...

-Yeah, no problem at all.

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..and have a look at some of the stuff.

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-No problems.

-OK, brilliant.

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The first issue Richard wants to address is a classic breakdown in communication.

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My young brother's sent e-mails,

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sent recorded delivery letters as well,

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and we've not had any response.

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So, the issues you've got with the tenants, basically, is that they're not coming back to you

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and talking to you about issues or when...

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It's not only that. The gentleman here is not being reasonable

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in allowing people to come out and have a look

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and see if there's any problem and what problems there are.

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Although he claims the landlord said he can't afford the repairs,

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Fuseini's failure to grant access hasn't made it easy for him to work out what needs to be done.

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He never phoned me.

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And the letters I've been receiving.

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But the e-mail, I don't check my e-mail often.

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If we just go back, rewind the whole matter,

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and if people were reasonable with each other, there's not a problem that cannot be solved.

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They might never agree about who's at fault,

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but Richard's hoping a simple lesson in economics

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will help both of them see sense and avoid the family having to leave.

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Your brother's going to end up with an empty property that's going to have a void period

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and you'll have to redecorate it

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and you'll have to then go down advertising it, missing rent,

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all that. A lot of cost. You're going to be going down a route

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where you'll have to find another accommodation,

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you're going to be moving, contracts, agency fees etc.

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There's a lot of costs for both of you here.

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If we can address that today,

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then you can carry on, obviously, getting the rent in.

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-And then you, obviously, still have a family home.

-Yeah.

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The first step is giving the landlord's brother access to the bedroom,

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so he can inspect the extent of the damage caused by the damp for himself.

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-At first, when I walked in, I thought condensation.

-Yeah.

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Then I noticed it stops dead here.

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Right.

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And you've obviously got quite a line.

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-And if you look, it's bubbling.

-Right. OK.

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You've got penetrating damp here.

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-You need to get a surveyor in to give you some advice on that.

-OK. No problem.

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It seems like Richard's making progress.

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It goes to show, if you're dealing with landlord and tenant disputes,

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clear communication is essential.

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In the future, whatever needs doing, addressing,

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-I will contact you myself...

-Yeah.

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-..and then we will arrange for people to come in and do whatever is necessary.

-Yeah.

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OK, we have seen and discussed everything.

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But given their track record, Richard's leaving nothing to chance.

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Now, if there's an issue in the future with repairs,

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between either of you with communication or anything,

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both of you, I'm going to give my mobile number and my office desk number

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-and you come to me on either side if there's an issue, all right?

-OK.

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Well, that looks like a successful visit to me.

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Thanks to Richard's diplomatic skills,

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it seems like everything's back on track.

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If we can get the repairs over to the landlord, get him to sort those out,

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now that the tenants and the landlord are talking with each other, we might be able to move forward.

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They can, hopefully, stay at the property

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and get the repairs done and everyone's a winner.

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In Stevenage, the council owns and rents out around a quarter of the town's homes.

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Right, so this one here...

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'As part of my training, I'm joining housing officer Tracy Jackson

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'on her latest visit to

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'a council-run sheltered housing complex.

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'She wants me to see a really challenging case.'

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What is the particular issue with this place?

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The tenant has been hoarding for some time,

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so, keeping a lot of belongings,

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just not clearing at all.

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The tenants are an elderly couple and their 30-year-old son.

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They didn't want to appear on camera,

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but were happy for us to film inside their flat.

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The bedrooms are through here.

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This is the son's bedroom.

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I don't know whether...

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I think I'll just have to let you... Do you want to just come in?

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-Yeah, I think that is a one-man job, that.

-Have a one-man peek.

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-Yeah, I'm not going to be able to get much further than that.

-No.

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But that is much, much better than when I last saw it.

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-This is an improvement?

-Yeah, much better.

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There's still quite a long way to go, though.

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Between 2 and 5% of adults in the UK

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show some symptoms of hoarding.

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It's considered a significant medical problem

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when it seriously affects a person's ability to live normally.

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In some cases, it's also associated with other mental health issues,

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such as anxiety or depression.

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You're dealing with something that really has to be quite sensitively managed.

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Oh, definitely. And to part with the belongings, it is a big thing.

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So it isn't just a practical job of clearing,

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it's actually letting go of everything.

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This is the gentleman's bedroom here.

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Oh, OK.

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-And this is still being used as a bedroom?

-Yes, yeah.

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-At the moment, you know, you've got just a mountain, really...

-Yeah.

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..of possessions there.

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That's right.

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You know, I worry about the fire risk here.

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We have had the Fire Brigade round to have a look.

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But, you know, you do need to consider is it safe to have mountains of paper?

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Tracy's fully aware that the tenants' safety comes first.

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But as the council's the landlord,

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she also has to protect the property.

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The clutter could lead to rodent or insect infestations,

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blocked drains and other issues that could affect neighbouring properties.

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But despite these risks, she has to tread carefully

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when dealing with what is a complex psychological condition.

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Where do you draw the line between intervention and interference?

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Obviously, it's very important not to judge.

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So, as you say, people can live how they want, as long as it's safe.

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You've also got to keep the property maintained. This is their home

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-but it's not their property.

-Yes.

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It's our property, and we do need to keep it to a certain level.

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It's always going to come down to cooperation and collaboration

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with the person that's living here, isn't it?

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Yeah, we've got to allow them to live here peacefully.

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It's their home, and we've got to remember that.

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But, you know, we are the landlords

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and we need to take responsibility for that as well.

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Part of that responsibility is keeping the home up to scratch.

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The frustrating thing is that the council really wants to improve this property.

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They've committed to fitting a new kitchen

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under their Decent Homes initiative.

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Right, so this is the kitchen in question...

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-That's right.

-..that we're talking about.

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Yeah, this is the kitchen that we'd like to redo.

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The kitchen fitters have already tried to do their job once,

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but were scuppered by a room rammed full of stuff.

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But the council can't just throw out the tenants' belongings.

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It's important that the hoarder tackles their own problem

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and takes responsibility for clearing the clutter themselves.

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It's been a long and slow process.

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But with Tracy's encouragement and support,

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there are certainly signs of progress.

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Is that something that you've had to build up,

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that sense of trust, over time?

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-Or was it actually...

-Yes, over time.

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We would do monthly visits and say, "Can you clear a bit more?"

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The gentleman has accepted that he is hoarding, which he says, for him,

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is the first step, you know, towards making progress and improving, really.

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Hoarding can be a difficult condition to understand

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and it raises loads of questions.

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But it seems so long as these tenants have the council as a landlord,

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they're in the right hands.

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Of course, it's easy to look at that scenario there and say,

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"People that treat a council house like that don't deserve one."

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But then, they are the sort of people who need the protection of a council house

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and the council to look over them and say,

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"Listen, we can help you. We can make your lives better."

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And that seems like what they're doing.

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They're making small steps to improve the property

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and their standard of living.

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That's it for today.

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Join me next time, when I'll be

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finding out what it takes to become a front-line housing officer.

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