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'What do you do if you're ripped off and don't know where to turn?' | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
I outlined the faults in the vehicle. He rejected those. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
'A court of law backs you but you still don't get your money.' | 0:00:08 | 0:00:12 | |
Little did I know how long it would take | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
to try and recover the money from him. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
Sorry. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
'It's time to call the sheriffs.' | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
We have every right to enter the premises by force if necessary. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
We will be entering that building. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
'Sheriffs are High Court enforcement officers who recover what a court judgement says is owed.' | 0:00:29 | 0:00:35 | |
They've ordered us to come here and seize goods to the value of this debt. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:41 | |
'They're the experts in getting cash that's rightfully yours.' | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
£1,323. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
-'But fighting for the underdog isn't a job for the faint-hearted.' -Mind yourself. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
I'll back that truck through your windscreen. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
-'Debtors aren't pleased to see them.' -They're harassing me. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
'Because they hate paying up.' | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
-Are you happy for me to leave you some paperwork? -No, I'm not. Go away. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:07 | |
'In today's programme... | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
'..the sheriffs go into battle on behalf of an 80-year-old pensioner | 0:01:13 | 0:01:17 | |
'who's owed over £1,000 by the owners of an auction house. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
'The debtors give their visitors a hostile reception.' | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
-Don't come over here with that camera, I'm telling you that now! I'll -BLEEP -knock you out! | 0:01:26 | 0:01:31 | |
'The sheriffs confront a plumber who charged a customer £2,000 | 0:01:32 | 0:01:37 | |
'for a bathroom fitting he never even started.' | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
-Why are you here? -Because the money's still owed. -So what are you here for? -To collect the money. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:45 | |
'And 65-year-old Paul Gravette | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
'won a personal injury claim after a fall left him in agony.' | 0:01:47 | 0:01:51 | |
It was unbearable. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
And I had to go to hospital with it because I couldn't stand the pain much longer. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:58 | |
'Paul was awarded £4,000 but he never got his cash. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
'Can a sheriff put that right?' | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
'Beryl, a 90-year-old pensioner who lives in a care home in Middlesex, | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
'needs the help of the sheriffs. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
'Beryl's relatives decided to auction some of her furniture for her, | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
'but it all went badly wrong.' | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
Beryl lived all her life, she's a spinster, | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
she lived all her life either caring for her parents | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
or working, she held a very responsible job in the NHS. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:36 | |
'But when Beryl reached her 80s, her health started to decline.' | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
Unfortunately, dementia set in and she was unable to care for herself at home, | 0:02:41 | 0:02:46 | |
and over a prolonged period, | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
with increasing amounts of carers at home, she gradually deteriorated | 0:02:48 | 0:02:53 | |
and we had to move her into a residential care home, which is where she is now. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:58 | |
'In 2010, Sheila's husband David | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
'asked a local auctioneers to sell some of Beryl's belongings to raise some funds for her. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:07 | |
'The property was sold at auction and they waited patiently for Beryl's money to arrive.' | 0:03:07 | 0:03:13 | |
And no cheque. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
And at this point, we just thought, "Well, that's not right." | 0:03:15 | 0:03:19 | |
And this went on for about two months. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
Throughout January, I started to phone them. I emailed them. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
They would never come up with anything. They'd always promise us, | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
"Oh, yes, it'll be next week" and nothing would appear. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
The old cliche, the cheque will be in the post. And it never was. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:37 | |
You know, she needs this money. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
It's to help her in her final years | 0:03:39 | 0:03:44 | |
have what she needs. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
So we should make every attempt | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
to get what is hers for her. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
'David and Sheila went to the county court | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
'and got a judgement for £1,503. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
'But the auction house still didn't hand over Beryl's cash.' | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
Even though the court's decision is that the auction house need to pay up, | 0:04:05 | 0:04:10 | |
there doesn't seem to be any kind of stick in order to make that happen. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:15 | |
There doesn't seem to be any way of gradually increasing the pressure on the auction house | 0:04:15 | 0:04:20 | |
to make sure that they do pay. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
I'm lost in all of this | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
because I don't really understand why, at some stage, there isn't a further threat. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:30 | |
'But there is a further threat. The High Court Enforcement Office. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:36 | |
'Their job is to get people the money they're owed. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
'When Sheila and David found out about it, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
'they contacted the sheriffs here in Croydon, and now they're swinging into action. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:48 | |
'Lawrence Grix and Kev McNally | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
'are on their way to the auction house in North Finchley. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
'The auctioneers now owe over £2,000 because of interest and court costs. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:02 | |
'But the biggest settlement the sheriffs have ever had is £5 million, | 0:05:04 | 0:05:09 | |
'so they're pretty confident about sorting this more modest sum.' | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
It's only about £2,400, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
so I'm quite hopeful that we'll be able to get that cleared quite easily. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
But we'll see when we get there. Hopefully, it should be open | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
because of the time of day, and it is a commercial premises. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
So hopefully we'll be all right. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
'Lawrence and Kev have arrived at the auction house. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
'It's time to get Beryl her money.' | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
-Hello there. Are you in charge, sir? -I am at the moment, yeah. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
My name's Mr Grix. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
-I'm a High Court enforcement officer. -Yeah? | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
And I've come here today to enforce the High Court writ | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
on behalf of a claimant, Mrs Sheila Fathers. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:53 | |
-I don't... -You don't know anything about it? | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
It's against Euro UK 2 Limited trading as NL Auctions, | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
-which is here, isn't it? -Yeah. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
Erm, basically, there was property auctioned off and they never received the proceeds. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:10 | |
When was that? | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
Let's see if I've got that. I think I've got the actual copy of the auction paperwork. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:19 | |
15th November 2010. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
I've got a list here of what was sold. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
'At this point, the camera operator was asked to leave the auction house.' | 0:06:28 | 0:06:32 | |
I'm here today, sir, to collect £2,283.41 in cleared funds | 0:06:32 | 0:06:38 | |
or I'll be removing goods. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
'The man tells Lawrence he's had no notice of this writ, | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
'he knows nothing about it and the property on display doesn't belong to the business.' | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
Well, that's down to you or whoever to prove | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
because we are ordered here to remove goods and that's what we're here to do. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
'The man makes a phone call and then asks to see the High Court writ.' | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
I've got a stamped copy there. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
That's basically just a copy without the stamp on that I'm happy for you to have. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
It's basically exactly the same. That was a copy of the original judgement. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
Obviously, nobody turned up or bothered to reply to it. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
OK? | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
So it's what's known as a judgement in default, | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
because nobody from this company filed a defence against it. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
But this is the stuff that was sold. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
I've got the list of stock here that was sold, | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
which our client has provided us with. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
'The phone call the man made was to his wife. She's just arrived.' | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
Right, I've given your colleague here the copy of the original county court judgement | 0:07:41 | 0:07:47 | |
and this is a generic copy of the writ. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
'The woman asks if the writ is for the disputed figure, | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
'£1,503.' | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
No. £2283.41. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
Cos it's gone to the county court, so there's court costs there, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:02 | |
it's been transferred up to the High Court, so there's court costs there, | 0:08:02 | 0:08:06 | |
and there's costs for us coming out today. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
'The woman refuses to pay the additional costs.' | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
I'll be removing goods. Because we don't come out for nothing. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
'It's not just Beryl who needs her money today. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:19 | |
'The sheriffs incur costs, too. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
'These are paid by the debtor, not the client.' | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
Right, our fees are £588.66 plus VAT, as it says on there. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:31 | |
'And the longer this goes on, the greater the cost. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
'High Court enforcement officer overtime is £180 per hour. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:39 | |
'The owner's wife offers part payment by cheque, but that's not good enough.' | 0:08:39 | 0:08:44 | |
It needs to be the full amount and it needs to be in cleared funds. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
And that is the bottom line. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
'At this point, our camera operator is asked to move away.' | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
-I'm fed up with this -BLEEP! | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
Can you move? I don't want you round here! Go! | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
What do you think this is? | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
'The owner's wife then shouts a bit more.' | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
You with them? | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
You don't come in my auction, right, filming nothing! I'm telling you that now! | 0:09:08 | 0:09:12 | |
'And goes in the direction of the bank.' | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
Move him from there! That's my private property! | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
'Ten minutes later, the owner's wife returns | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
'and Beryl's money is handed over in cash.' | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
Don't come over here with that camera, I'm telling you that now! | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
-Cos the way I feel, I'll -BLEEP -knock you out! | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
'Inside the auction house, Lawrence and Kev finalise the paperwork | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
'with the man who was there when they arrived. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
'It turns out he's one of the company directors and he didn't like handing over Beryl's cash.' | 0:09:44 | 0:09:50 | |
The husband got quite aggressive towards the end. I don't think he wanted to part with the money. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:55 | |
But in the end he did, we gave him a receipt, collected full payment and we're on our way to the next job. | 0:09:55 | 0:10:01 | |
'The battle at NL Auctions was par for the course for Lawrence and Kev.' | 0:10:02 | 0:10:07 | |
People are quite often aggressive. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
A lot of the time, the people that we're going to | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
have been trying to avoid the debt in the first place | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
and the last thing they want is us turning up. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
And aggression is a last-ditch, last resort to try and prevent themselves having to pay. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:23 | |
But it doesn't work, cos we're used to it | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
and if necessary, we'll call the police for assistance. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
'An hour after arriving at the auction house, the sheriffs are on their way | 0:10:28 | 0:10:33 | |
'and Beryl will get her money soon. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
'We asked NL Auctions to comment. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
'Susan Tarrone from the company said this unfortunate incident was an isolated case | 0:10:40 | 0:10:45 | |
'and occurred at a time of stress and illness in her family and was a matter that got out of hand. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:50 | |
'She also apologised for her language at the time of filming.' | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
Yeah, we can force entry to a commercial premises. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
'This High Court Enforcement Office is based in London. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
'It employs over 40 full-time officers, | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
'returning tens of millions of pounds to people owed money every year.' | 0:11:13 | 0:11:18 | |
Oh, brilliant! Looks like I've got my money back. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
'High Court enforcement officers, also known as sheriffs, | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
'have more powers than bailiffs to enter properties, remove goods and auction them to settle debts.' | 0:11:26 | 0:11:33 | |
-Listen, I'm a director of the company. -Yep. -I'm asking you to leave the premises. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
-Phone the police. -I will do. -OK. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
'It's a job that dates back to Saxon times | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
'and it's busier than ever. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
'Over 70,000 High Court writs are executed in this country every year.' | 0:11:45 | 0:11:50 | |
-We're here to seize goods. -Oh. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
'It's 6.30am and two sheriffs have been dispatched to a new job. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
'This time Kev's joined by Mark Newton. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
'They're acting on behalf of a customer who paid a plumber | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
'thousands of pounds to fit a new bathroom. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:07 | |
'But he never did the work. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
'After spending four months trying to get her money back, | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
'the customer got a High Court writ | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
'which the sheriffs are about to enforce.' | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
We're in, er, Hertford this morning. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
We're looking for a Mr Wayne Everett | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
who owes £4,291. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
We'll just give it a knock and see whether we can get any answers. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
-RINGING -Please come in, here's my debit card for four and a half thousand pounds. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:41 | |
'There's no answer, but luckily, the plumber lives in the ground-floor flat | 0:12:45 | 0:12:51 | |
'so Mark can look for signs of life.' | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
-RINGING -He must be there. There's someone in. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
There's got to be someone in. They just don't wake up, do they? | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
'An old sheriff's trick is trying the tradesman's entrance button.' | 0:13:03 | 0:13:08 | |
-Coming at seven o'clock. -How did you learn that? | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
HE KNOCKS ON DOOR | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
'If the plumber was asleep, he isn't any more.' | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
-Hiya. I'm after Wayne Everett. -Yeah. -I've got a High Court writ that's been issued. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:31 | |
'Mr Everett tells Mark that the case is being referred back to court.' | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
We've got another hearing on the 24th. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
OK. Have you got any details of that here? Cos we haven't been told this. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
-Wait there. -Yeah, no worries. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
'If Mr Everett had left the door open, Mark and Kev could've walked straight in | 0:13:47 | 0:13:52 | |
'and looked for property to remove to clear the debt. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
'High Court enforcement officers have significant power | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
'to access even residential properties.' | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
-Hi there. -There we go. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
-Right. OK. Let's take a quick photo of that. -Yep. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
-Are you aware that at the moment it's still a live writ? -Well, we're going back to court. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:18 | |
'The court documents show that Mr Everett offered to pay his customer | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
'£40 per month to pay off the debt, | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
'but she wanted £250 per month. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
'Mr Everett is now contesting the whole case.' | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
-OK? So... -All right, I'm just going to take a photo of this. Yeah? | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
-You've sent a copy of this to our office, you say? -Sorry? | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
-Have you sent a copy of this... -The court... The court will have done that. -No, they wouldn't. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:44 | |
-Can I have that? -Yeah, I just want to take a photo. -I'm not going to allow you to. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
Well, I know, but otherwise... They're going to say, "Have you seen some proof? Where is it?" | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
-and I'll say, "I haven't got a photo of it". -It's going through the court. -I need a photo. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:57 | |
I'm not going to let you. You've come knocking on the door, | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
-you haven't done your research... -But it's still a live writ. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
It hasn't gone back to court. It's still live, it's still owed. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
-You offered £40 a month, yeah? -Your client will get, basically, | 0:15:06 | 0:15:12 | |
nothing when we go to court | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
-and they're told that I was disturbed, and my partner, at this time in the morning. -That's fine. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:19 | |
-That's not for us to decide. -We're not deciding anything. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
No. But you saying whoever's going to get X amount, that's not for us to decide. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:28 | |
-We're here... -It will look embarrassing on your point of view. -It's nothing to do with us. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
-We're just here to enforce a writ. -But it's going through the courts. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
-But it's still a live writ. -We are appearing in court. -It's a live writ. That's the point. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:41 | |
-That's why we're going back to court. -No, but it's still a live writ. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
-At this current stage, it's still owed. -Fine, yeah. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
-Right. So that's why we're here. -So why are you here? -Because the money's still owed. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
-What are you here for? -To collect the money. -But we're going back to court so you can't. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:57 | |
-OK, we're just going round in circles here. -You allowing us to take a picture would make it easier. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:02 | |
I tell you what, I'll fax a copy to your office. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
We've come all the way here, we could just take a photo of it, job done. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
-Saves you faxing it. -Go on, then, take a photo of it. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
So I'm presuming you don't want to pay, then. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
-Obviously not. We're going to court. -All right, I'm just asking. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
Like I say, it's still a live writ and it can be enforced. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
Until the day you go back to court and you get the answer... | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
-The judgement. -And the judgement may not go your way. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
'And if Mr Everett does lose in court, he's going to face an even greater debt. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:42 | |
'Each sheriff visit adds to the cost.' | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
-I'm speaking from your client's point of view. -Yeah. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
-What if she loses? -Yeah. She loses. -And it's costing her a fortune. -It's not costing her anything. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:52 | |
-Well, she's got to pay for you. -No. She doesn't pay for us. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
Well, it seems on the figures that she is, | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
-because I'm having to pay for it myself. -Yeah, you pay. -If I lose. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:03 | |
Yeah. You pay for it. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
-And if I win... -Yeah. -..who pays for you? | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
-No-one. -Oh, that's a shame, isn't it? | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
-HE LAUGHS -All right, you've got the paperwork. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
See you. Thank you. Bye-bye. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
'If the sheriffs don't get any money for a client, | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
'they only charge an admin fee of £60.' | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
Let's DVLA some cars. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
'Mark wasn't able to gain access to Mr Everett's flat to list potential property for removal, | 0:17:27 | 0:17:33 | |
'but Mr Everett may own one of the cars in the car park. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
'If he does, the sheriffs could remove it at a later date to pay off his debt.' | 0:17:36 | 0:17:41 | |
I'll get the lot down. I'll write a load down. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:46 | |
'When he gets back to the office, Mark will do a DVLA check on all the vehicle registrations | 0:17:48 | 0:17:54 | |
'to see if any of them do belong to Mr Everett.' | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
-The only one that's worth money is on foreign plates! -HE LAUGHS | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
He may have a result where he needs to pay. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
Then he's obviously not going to be so happy. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
But we'll see what happens with it in the end. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
'And Mark and Kev may well be making a return visit to Mr Everett. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:18 | |
'When he finally did go to court, | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
'the judge ruled he should pay £50 a month until he clears the debt to his customer. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:26 | |
'If one payment is missed, the sheriffs will be back. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:31 | |
'Lawrence and Kev's next job is in a whole new league. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
'It's the Enforcement Office versus one of Japan's largest companies, Fujitsu.' | 0:18:39 | 0:18:45 | |
It's half past eight in the morning. We've just arrived at Stevenage. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
We've got a writ against Fujitsu Services Limited | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
and the total outstanding at the moment is £149,481. | 0:18:54 | 0:19:00 | |
So a vast amount of money. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:02 | |
We've already driven past the building and it's a massive, massive office block. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:07 | |
There's absolutely no doubt whatsoever that they've got the money to pay this | 0:19:07 | 0:19:12 | |
and I would estimate they've got the assets to cover it, as well. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
'But Fujitsu is the world's third largest IT services provider | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
'with over 172,000 employees worldwide. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
'Tracking down the relevant individual to deal with this writ | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
'could be quite a challenge.' | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
They'll have to get hold of the right people. Simple as that. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
I can't believe that an organisation as big as this wouldn't be able to get somebody to deal with this. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:38 | |
And within reason, I won't be tolerating anything like that. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
I won't be tolerating excuses for, "Oh, we can't get the right person." | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
It doesn't matter what excuses they come out with, how big their company is, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
they've got a debt and we're here to collect it. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:52 | |
-Hello there. -You all right? -Yeah. I'll show you my ID. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
-We're here to execute a writ against Fujitsu Services. -Any names? | 0:19:57 | 0:20:03 | |
No, we've just got Fujitsu Services, so whoever's in authority that can deal with it. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
No-one's here at the moment. About nine they normally come in. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
-They've got people on reception, though, have they? -Yeah, but we can't allow you on site | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
till we get permission from them. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
All right. I understand what you're saying. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
-Your best bet is probably... Let me make a quick phone call. -Yeah. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
-Just pull up anywhere on the side so I can still let traffic in. -OK. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
Because technically, you can't stop us coming in. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
I know what you're saying and I respect your position | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
and I'm happy for you to try and contact somebody who can deal with this, | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
but when it comes to a point of law, you can't stop us coming in. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
I can understand all your security and the need for it with an establishment like this, | 0:20:41 | 0:20:46 | |
and I'm quite happy to respect that, but I just want to... | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
-Let me just make... -I just want to establish the point, OK? | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
'If necessary, sheriffs can force entry to commercial premises | 0:20:54 | 0:20:59 | |
'as long as they're detached from residential living quarters. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
'But for the time being, they decide to park around the corner and wait. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:07 | |
'But as usual, there's a bit of an issue with the sat-nav. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:13 | |
'Corners can be hard to find.' | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
"At the end of the road, turn right." | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
-Turn right? There's no entry. -They're getting relegated soon. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
-My ten-year-old one's going to be... -It's that one. It's saying turn right. -It's not, though. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:27 | |
-I mean, my internal compass said go that way, yeah. -You ignored it, though. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:33 | |
'The sat-nav's brought them back to where they started from. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:37 | |
'They park up and discuss the upcoming negotiations with Fujitsu. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:44 | |
'Lawrence hopes the discussion won't have to be in Japanese.' | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
I know a couple of bits from watching Shogun when I was child and that's about it. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:51 | |
I don't know if that's going to stand us in good stead. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:55 | |
"How are you?" and "I'm all right, thanks." | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
-You don't know, "Give us £150,000"? -No, unfortunately not. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
'The boys may need to brush up on their Japanese quick. They've been approached by security.' | 0:22:06 | 0:22:12 | |
-Hello. -Have you got any details of what this is about? I can't get anybody for you without details. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:17 | |
-All right. What it is, it's a foreign judgement. -Right. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:23 | |
Looking at the language, it appears to be German. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
And they've got a judgement for £149,000. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
With our costs, it's £149,481.93. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:35 | |
'Fujitsu have clearly been caught by surprise.' | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
I can't let you into the building. I'm not allowed to let you in. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
Unfortunately, you can't actually stop me. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
-I can stop you. -You can't. -At the moment, I can stop you coming into the building. -You can't. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
Whether you hear back... I'm not trying to be awkward. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
-And we're not, either. -We've been very cooperative. Your security staff have asked us to wait here. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:57 | |
I can understand the sensitivity of your business. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
I can't let you into the building. I'm in control of this building and I'm not allowed to let you in. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:06 | |
Well, unfortunately, as an enforcement officer executing a High Court writ, | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
I can force entry into a commercial premises if necessary. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
-We don't need permission. -We do not need permission to enter your building. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
-What I'm asking for is the... -What are you entering the building for? | 0:23:18 | 0:23:22 | |
-To seize goods. -To seize assets. -We're here to seize goods. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
We're ordered... I can show you a copy of the writ. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
-Do we not get... Has anybody had prior notice of this? -No. -No. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
Because there is a judgement, someone within your company will know about the judgement. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:38 | |
And the fact that it's gone unpaid... | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
..means that the claimant is allowed to get it enforced at any time. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:47 | |
-Can I just ring the bosses back? -Yeah. I'm happy to show you the writ. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
If you want to look at that bit there, it actually orders us, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
"You are now commanded to seize in execution | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
"the goods, chattels or other property of Fujitsu Siemens Limited." | 0:23:57 | 0:24:02 | |
OK? So that is what entitles us to enter your buildings and seize assets. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:08 | |
-Let me just go and ring them back. -We'll come back to you in a second. -Yep. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:13 | |
'Lawrence can see it from Fujitsu's point of view.' | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
I would imagine the lady herself has got absolutely no experience of a High Court writ before. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:21 | |
So she is unaware of our powers. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
That's why I'm trying to remain courteous about this, | 0:24:25 | 0:24:30 | |
but you've got to tell people where they stand and we will be entering that building. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:35 | |
There is no question about it, we will be entering that building and we will be seizing assets | 0:24:35 | 0:24:40 | |
because that is what we are commanded to come here and do. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
All we're asking for is the common courtesy not to be left sitting on the street. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
That's an appalling way to conduct business, sitting on the street. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
'Fujitsu need to beware. Lawrence rarely gets angry. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:56 | |
'But when he does, it's not a pretty sight.' | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
It's discourteous and disrespectful, isn't it? | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
They're not respecting of our position, | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
so we're getting to the point where we're going to have to be a little more forceful. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:12 | |
'If the sheriffs aren't allowed in soon, | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
'Lawrence will park up, walk straight into the building | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
'and start listing property for removal. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
'Things could turn nasty. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:23 | |
'65-year-old Paul Gravette is a retired shop assistant who lives in York. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:35 | |
'He needs the help of the sheriffs | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
'because he won a personal injury case against a pub but it hasn't paid up. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
'The story starts in winter 2009. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
'Paul was going for his regular Sunday lunch appointment with some friends, | 0:25:45 | 0:25:49 | |
'something he looked forward to all week.' | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
Now that I've left work, I'm on my own, I live on my own, I'm not married, | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
it's a bit of company for me. You know? And that's what I like. | 0:25:56 | 0:26:01 | |
There's just four of us go out and it's a bit of company. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:05 | |
It only lasts about a couple of hours but it's nice cos I have someone to talk to, basically. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:12 | |
'That Sunday was a particularly cold day, | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
'and the pub car park was covered in snow and ice.' | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
I dropped my friends and my cousin off at the entrance to the pub. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
I drove the car up to the top of the car park, locked the car up... | 0:26:24 | 0:26:29 | |
..walked down towards the entrance to the pub, which was over that side. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:36 | |
Like that. And I slipped like that. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
This foot went first, I went over like that. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
I put my arm out to stop myself and ended up like that, on my elbow. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:51 | |
It's not what I planned for a Sunday afternoon by any means, but there we are. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
'Paul realised instantly he was badly hurt.' | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
The pain was horrendous. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
We had our dinner and how I drove my car home I just don't know. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
'When he got home, Paul was in agony, but he tried to grin and bear it.' | 0:27:05 | 0:27:11 | |
The pain, as the day wore on and the night wore on, | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
it just got worse and worse until it was unbearable. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:19 | |
And I had to go to hospital with it because I couldn't stand the pain much longer. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
'Paul was in hospital for five and a half hours. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
'An X-ray revealed his left arm was broken. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
'He was off work for three weeks, | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
'but realised the situation could have been so much worse.' | 0:27:33 | 0:27:37 | |
What was worrying me was that if an elderly person walked down that hill towards the pub | 0:27:37 | 0:27:44 | |
and slipped and banged their head, they could've killed themselves. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:48 | |
That's what was bothering me. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
'Paul felt something had to be done so lessons could be learnt. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
'And three years on, he feels just as strongly.' | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
If they'd have put salt down or sand down or even a warning sign saying, | 0:27:58 | 0:28:04 | |
"Please be careful, car park very dangerous because of ice and snow," | 0:28:04 | 0:28:11 | |
then people would've known, but there was nothing down at all. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
They didn't put any salt down or sand down or anything. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
'Paul took the pub to the county court and claimed for damages. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:22 | |
'He won his personal injury claim and was awarded £4,000. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:27 | |
'But that wasn't the end of the story.' | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
So far, after two years of trying to get compensation for my injury, | 0:28:30 | 0:28:36 | |
the Swan Hotel has not paid a single penny in compensation | 0:28:36 | 0:28:41 | |
no matter how hard my solicitor has tried to help me. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
'With nowhere else to turn, Paul went to the High Court | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
'and got a writ for the money he was owed. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
'He contacted the Enforcement Office in Croydon and asked them to execute it. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
'And now sheriff Pete Spencer has been dispatched to the pub in Aberford, Leeds. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:06 | |
'His aim, to get Paul his money or seize goods to auction to raise the cash.' | 0:29:06 | 0:29:11 | |
Hiya. Afternoon. I'm just looking for someone to speak to at the Swan Hotel. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:18 | |
OK, I'll just get the manager for you. Who's asking? | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
-I'm an enforcement officer from the High Court. -OK. -Thanks. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:25 | |
'Because of court costs and interest, | 0:29:27 | 0:29:29 | |
'the total owed is now £10,683.' | 0:29:29 | 0:29:33 | |
Hiya. Are you OK? You OK to speak in here or is there somewhere private we can go? | 0:29:38 | 0:29:42 | |
Cheers. Thank you. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
I'm an enforcement officer enforcing a High Court writ. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:51 | |
-It's regarding Swan Hotel Aberford Limited. -Right. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:56 | |
The claimant's a Mr Paul Gravette. | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
'The employee has nothing to do with this case. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
'She tells Pete he needs to speak to the owner, Mr White. But he's not in.' | 0:30:03 | 0:30:08 | |
-The only thing I can do is to get him on his mobi. -Please. Yes, if you can. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:12 | |
What I'll do in the meantime, I've got to levy items on the premises, so we're going to start levying items. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:17 | |
-All right. -But if you can get him on... -Sorry. -I'm just going to list the items. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
-It's the first time I've come across this. -OK. No problem. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
-So you're going to price them? -We're going to do the list of items. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:28 | |
-It's just to protect the outstanding debt... -All right. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
..if we have to go to remove or anything like that. I'll do it as discretely as I can. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:35 | |
-I know you've got customers in there. -That's what I thought, yeah. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:40 | |
'And it's not only customers who will be watching Pete listing property to remove to pay the debt.' | 0:30:42 | 0:30:48 | |
As you can see, there's quite a few items on the wall, | 0:30:52 | 0:30:56 | |
stuffed animals, stag heads, which we've got down, | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
but you write one down then turn around and there's another two looking at you. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:05 | |
'But Pete isn't going to look a gift horse or stuffed fox in the mouth.' | 0:31:05 | 0:31:10 | |
I've levied two stuffed foxes. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
I've just turned round now, there's a third stuffed fox looking at me from the rear over there | 0:31:13 | 0:31:18 | |
so I'll just have to add that as an extra stuffed animal. I think they would sell well at auction. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:23 | |
There's good value to stuffed items like that and I believe they're quite saleable. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:28 | |
'High Court enforcement officers are allowed to go wherever they want in commercial premises.' | 0:31:29 | 0:31:35 | |
I'm just making a list of those items as we go round. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
Just items that are of any value, really. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
Tables, chairs, display cabinets and anything else. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:46 | |
I need to count those down there. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
Two, four, six, eight, ten. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
14, 16, 18. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
'This could be one of the most diverse inventories of Pete's career. | 0:31:55 | 0:32:00 | |
'Word has reached the owner about what's going on. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
'He's phoned the pub and asked to speak to Pete urgently.' | 0:32:07 | 0:32:11 | |
Right, if you're going to pay by card, it's got to be chip and pin actually with you present. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:16 | |
We have got a card machine but obviously we wouldn't be able to do that over the phone. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:21 | |
But you can make an offer to pay over three monthly instalments. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:28 | |
Yes. That has to go to the claimant and payments have to come through ourselves | 0:32:30 | 0:32:34 | |
but you put that in writing to our office | 0:32:34 | 0:32:36 | |
then we ask the claimant if that's acceptable or not. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
The paperwork I'm going to leave on site at the moment. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
I just need to ring our office to make sure they're happy that I've levied all the items. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:47 | |
Obviously, do a walking possession agreement | 0:32:47 | 0:32:49 | |
that if you do fail on the payments, | 0:32:49 | 0:32:51 | |
we do come back to remove items to cover the outstanding debt. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:55 | |
That's fine. OK. Thank you. Thanks. Bye-bye. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
'It looks like Pete may have succeeded in getting Paul Gravette his personal injury money.' | 0:32:58 | 0:33:04 | |
He's going to put it into writing that he's going to offer three monthly payments to cover the total. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:10 | |
That's a good result, I think. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
And ultimately he is aware that if he doesn't keep to the offer that he's made, | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
if it's accepted, that items... We come back and remove items. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:21 | |
'Before he leaves, Pete hands over a walking possession agreement, | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
'which means any second visit could be less amicable than this one.' | 0:33:25 | 0:33:29 | |
If the payment terms don't actually get paid, | 0:33:29 | 0:33:33 | |
we've got the right to come back, whether you're here or not, | 0:33:33 | 0:33:36 | |
to remove items to the value of the outstanding debt. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
-Hopefully, we won't be back. -All right. -OK. Cheers. Thank you. Bye-bye. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:44 | |
'Sheriffs have been known to remove ships, sheep and even shellfish on their travels. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:50 | |
'But it seems like the Swan's stuffed stags are safe. For now. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
'Back in Stevenage, Lawrence and Kev have been waiting outside the Fujitsu HQ for over half an hour. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:07 | |
'Lawrence decides to raise the stakes.' | 0:34:07 | 0:34:10 | |
I'm not letting you in! | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
I'll just show them that I'm not going to try and tailgate them through. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
-All right? -Have you come down to see us? | 0:34:28 | 0:34:30 | |
-Sorry? -Have you come down to see us? | 0:34:30 | 0:34:32 | |
-No, I've only just got here. -Oh, right. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
-What we're trying to do is, because we didn't know anything about... -So you have come to see us. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:40 | |
No, no, no. I just said I've just come out to tell you that we're just finding out what... | 0:34:40 | 0:34:45 | |
So you've come out to speak to us. That's what I'm trying to establish. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
You're not just somebody walking past, you've come here to speak to us, to tell us something. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:53 | |
I'm not trying to be awkward, but I asked you if you'd come to speak to us and you said no. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:58 | |
-Well... -So you've got a message for us. Somebody's... | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
-No. Obviously you want to come in, do you? I don't know... -Yeah. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:05 | |
To be honest, I don't think we've been treated | 0:35:05 | 0:35:09 | |
particularly professionally or courteously so far. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
-We've done the utmost to be professional and respectful to your situation here. -OK. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:16 | |
We're not looking to come storming round the place to see all your latest technology. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:21 | |
That's not what we're here for. We're here to execute a High Court writ | 0:35:21 | 0:35:25 | |
and what we're asking is to be treated in a courteous manner. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
-It's who it's got to go to. -But we're sat out on the road though. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:32 | |
We're quite happy to sit in reception while you do that. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
I wasn't trying to tailgate that vehicle through or anything like that. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:39 | |
You know, we have the right to enter, if you don't allow me to enter, | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
I'm going to park my vehicle here and go in on foot. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
And if anybody tries to stop me, I will call the police, | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
because it's an arrestable offence to obstruct an enforcement officer in the execution of a writ. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:54 | |
We don't want to go down that road, we just want to be treated with some courtesy. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:58 | |
Can I just say, some of us have just got here, | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
-we didn't know you were coming so... -No, I can appreciate that. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
If you give me a couple of minutes, if you just pull up to... | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
-Yeah. Yeah. -Give me a couple of minutes, I'll come back and see you. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
But with respect, that's what the lady said about 20 minutes ago. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:15 | |
-She's on the phone in there. -Give me a couple of minutes and I'll come back to you. -OK, sir. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:19 | |
'This time a couple of minutes is just that. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:23 | |
'Lawrence gets a call from Fujitsu management asking for more information about the writ.' | 0:36:23 | 0:36:28 | |
It looks to be German, I believe. GMBH. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:32 | |
It was a judgement initially of £117,122.64, | 0:36:32 | 0:36:39 | |
which with execution costs, interest, judgement costs, | 0:36:39 | 0:36:44 | |
and our fees for attending today and VAT, | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
the total outstanding is £149,481.93. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:53 | |
We have every right to enter the premises by force if necessary. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:58 | |
And, you know, we don't want to have to do that. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
OK. Thank you. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:11 | |
'Finally, things seem to be happening. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
'Lawrence's firm but fair approach pays off.' | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
That was the manager of the site. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
-He's the overall head honcho here, I believe. -Yeah? -Yeah. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
He didn't know. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:25 | |
He's going to allow one of us, I believe, into reception. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:29 | |
So we're winning. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:31 | |
I don't know how long till we get to a situation where we resolve it, | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
-but we'll take you to reception. -Yeah, sure. -We'll get you a coffee. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:39 | |
Can you just turn down the left there? | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
-Just down here, yeah? -Yeah. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
'So Lawrence not only gets a comfy seat, he also gets a coffee. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:48 | |
'But will he get any money? | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
'An hour later, Lawrence emerges. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
'It's been an intriguing negotiation.' | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
They got their head of legal on the phone, who didn't quite understand the situation. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:06 | |
He thought we couldn't force an entry into a building. He actually said, | 0:38:06 | 0:38:10 | |
"You're not getting in our building today," I said, "I'm already in." | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
They were unaware of the debt, where it's come from, what it's all about. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:18 | |
So I've basically given them copies of the paperwork, | 0:38:18 | 0:38:20 | |
he was quite insistent that they weren't going to pay today. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
We can't turn people upside down, shake them and make money fall out of their pockets. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
We're there to seize goods, and if necessary, remove them. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
He was saying he needed time to sort that out. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
They were going to go to the High Court and attempt to get an injunction | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
to stop us removing goods, which is just a waste of everybody's time. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:43 | |
They're a massive company. They're not going to run away. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
If they owe the money, they will pay. I've absolutely no doubt about that. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:50 | |
They need time to look into it, so what I've done today, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
I've taken walking possession, so I've basically seized the entire contents of the building, | 0:38:53 | 0:38:58 | |
or as much of it as need be to cover the debt. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
If it doesn't get paid or resolved in a satisfactory manner, | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
then we will be back, and if necessary, we will remove goods. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
'Walking possession means the sheriffs can list, or seize, property | 0:39:10 | 0:39:14 | |
'for removal at a later date if the debt isn't paid. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
'They don't need to physically remove goods there and then. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
'Usually this does the trick in getting debtors to pay up.' | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
If we believe the goods are in jeopardy, | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
we will insist on removal there and then, if we're not getting payment, | 0:39:27 | 0:39:31 | |
but the goods aren't in jeopardy here, it's a huge building, a huge company, | 0:39:31 | 0:39:35 | |
they're not going to make all their assets from this building disappear. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:40 | |
So we were quite safe in taking walking possession. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
'Lawrence isn't leaving with £150,000 in cash, | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
'but he's still satisfied with the way things have turned out.' | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
They were perfectly civil once we got in there. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
I spoke to their solicitor and we've got the outcome we've got. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:57 | |
'And Lawrence sticking by his guns clearly did the trick. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
'Soon after his visit, the firm owed the money by Fujitsu got its cash. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:07 | |
'Fujitsu told us that the payment delay was a genuine oversight on its part | 0:40:08 | 0:40:13 | |
'and it took immediate steps which rectified the situation. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:17 | |
'It's now two months since Lawrence and Kev paid the auction house a visit. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:28 | |
'In her nursing home, Beryl has now received the £1,503 she was owed. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:35 | |
'The debt owed by Mr Everett the plumber stands at £4,000 because of court costs and interest. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:45 | |
'The £50 per month repayments ordered by the judge | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
'are being monitored by the enforcement office. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
'If any are missed, Mr Everett will be getting another visit. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:56 | |
'And it's now two months since Pete visited the pub in Leeds | 0:40:59 | 0:41:03 | |
'on behalf of 65-year-old Paul Gravette, who slipped on ice in the car park. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:08 | |
'Paul's got the first instalment of the personal injury money he's owed. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
'And thanks to the enforcement office, he will soon be getting the rest.' | 0:41:11 | 0:41:15 | |
I am delighted with this outcome. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
I'm very grateful to these enforcement officers who have done all this for me. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:23 | |
It was never a question of money. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
It was a question of principle and just to prove the hotel wrong | 0:41:25 | 0:41:30 | |
in not having proper facilities for ice and snow. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:36 | |
'Next time... | 0:41:39 | 0:41:41 | |
'..a builder made 86-year-old Hilda Shaw fork out £4,000 for some work on her roof. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:49 | |
'And he left it in a worse state than when he started.' | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
I was absolutely shattered. I was crying, I couldn't leave off | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
cos I realised the mess I was getting into and I couldn't say stop. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:01 | |
'The sheriffs pay the builder an early morning visit to try and get Hilda's money back. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:06 | |
'And things get rather heated.' | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
I will back that truck straight through your windscreen. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
'The sheriffs try to track down a landlord | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
'who didn't pay his student tenants their deposits when they left. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
'But he proves elusive.' | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
He doesn't want to deal with it over the phone, he's telling me to come to an address he doesn't seem sure of. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:27 | |
'And office manager Joan Wales was unfairly dismissed. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
'She was awarded compensation but her ex-bosses didn't pay up. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:36 | |
'Can the sheriffs help?' | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
They just thought I'd walk away and I wouldn't fight for this. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
But I do fight and I am fighting because it's wrong. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:46 | |
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