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What do you do if you're ripped off and don't know where to turn? | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
I did outline all the faults in the vehicle. He rejected all those. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:08 | |
Court of law backs you, but you still don't get your money. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:12 | |
Little did I know how long it would take to try and recover the money from him. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
Sorry. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
It's time to call the sheriffs. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
We have every right to enter the premises by force, if necessary. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:27 | |
We will be entering that building. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
Sheriffs are High Court enforcement officers, | 0:00:29 | 0:00:33 | |
who recover what a court judgement says is owed. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:35 | |
The writ orders us to come here and seize goods to the value of this debt. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:41 | |
They're the experts in getting cash that's rightfully yours. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:47 | |
£1,323. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
But fighting for the underdog isn't a job for the faint-hearted. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
I will back that truck straight through your windscreen! | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
Debtors aren't pleased to see them. | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
They're harassing me. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:00 | |
Because they hate paying up. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
Are you happy for me to just leave you some paperwork? | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
No, I'm not. Go away. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
DOOR SLAMS SHUT | 0:01:06 | 0:01:07 | |
In today's programme... | 0:01:10 | 0:01:11 | |
..plumber Ray Millett paid for and fitted a full central heating system for a building company, | 0:01:14 | 0:01:20 | |
but he didn't get paid a penny. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
To treat people in this way is pretty despicable, really. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
Can the sheriffs get Ray his money back? | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
We're here to collect the payment, which is £11,100 now. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:34 | |
Sheriff Pete Spencer revisits a road services company | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
that owes a former employee thousands. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
Listen, I'm a director of the company, | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
I'm now asking you to leave the premises. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
-Phone the police. -I will do. -OK. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
And when Jan Smith sold valuable items through a local auctioneers, | 0:01:47 | 0:01:51 | |
she expected a hefty cheque. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:52 | |
Instead, she got an antiques no-show. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
I haven't had any money whatsoever. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
It's just outrageous. It is outrageous. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
The sheriffs go in search of the cash she's owed. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
5:30am, the M40. Sheriffs Mark Newton and Kev McNally | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
are on their way to the Cotswolds | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
for an early-morning rendezvous with a builder who owes one of their clients over £11,000. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:28 | |
Obviously, first of all, we're going to try and get him to pay | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
before we start going down the route of lifting goods from his house. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
You know, he may just accept the fact that he's got to pay | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
and sort it out, but we don't know, we don't know. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
The man the sheriffs are there to help is plumber Ray Millet. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
He's self-employed and therefore has to take work where he can find it | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
and he takes it on trust that he'll get an honest day's pay for an honest day's work. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:59 | |
At least, that's how he imagined it would be | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
when he came into contact with the building company RH Developments Cotswolds Ltd. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:08 | |
They were looking for a plumber to carry out work at two new houses | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
they were building at nearby Brackley. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:13 | |
The potential was good, it was a big job. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
Two boilers involved, full central heating systems, | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
two bathrooms to be installed, so it was a reasonably big job. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:28 | |
For a one-man band, it was good work. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
There was nothing on site that suggested to me that everything wasn't OK. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:38 | |
Unusually, the company asked Ray to provide | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
and pay for the systems he was going to be fitting. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
Originally, they were going to supply, because I just, | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
if you like, was cautious. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
Something told me that they should buy. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
And then they made the excuse, well, this is out in the Cotswolds, | 0:03:58 | 0:04:03 | |
you're from Brackley, we're builders, not plumbers. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:08 | |
Can you not supply, and we'll just reimburse you at cost? | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
For the next two weeks, Ray got to work, | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
putting in long hours and weekends to make sure he got the job done. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
He'd managed to fit one of the houses out completely | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
when he put in his initial invoice and decided to wait for payment before continuing. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
But after several weeks of waiting, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
there was no sign of the money he was owed. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
Ray was left out of pocket and counting the cost. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
The immediate losses, of course, were the boiler costs | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
and the material costs, which were just over £4,000. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
That was what I immediately lost. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:50 | |
I also lost the £4,000 of labour costs. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:55 | |
That has a huge impact. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
I was lucky at the time that I had tax savings, | 0:04:58 | 0:05:03 | |
and I used the tax savings to pay my suppliers. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
Ray continued to chase his money, but got nowhere. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:10 | |
After a couple of weeks, I said, "Enough." | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
I then placed it in the hands of my solicitor. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
Ray took RH Developments Cotswolds Ltd to the County Court. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:23 | |
The company didn't attend, and the court awarded in Ray's favour. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
Despite this, to date, Ray hasn't been paid a penny of the money owed to him. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
To treat people in this way is pretty shoddy | 0:05:32 | 0:05:34 | |
and it's pretty despicable, really. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:40 | |
Stronger words than that I'm sure I could use, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
but I feel pretty bad about it. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:47 | |
It could put somebody bankrupt. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
£8,000 plus is not a small amount of money, | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
and certainly not in today's economic climate. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
It's a lot of money, and it is going to be difficult for me | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
to address that issue at the end of the month. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
The court might have found in his favour, | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
but to get what he's owed, Ray's had to turn to the sheriffs. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
I feel great. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
If somebody's going to go knocking on this guy's door, | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
then he's getting what he deserves through the law, through the legal process, | 0:06:21 | 0:06:26 | |
and I have no problem with that whatsoever. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
Tasked with getting Ray's money back is this High Court | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
-enforcement office. -Good afternoon. How can I help? | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
They deal with over 12,000 cases a year | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
and retrieve over £2 million a month for people owed money. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
Oh, that's brilliant. That looks like I've got my money back. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
Executing High Court writs is a job that dates back to Saxon times. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:57 | |
Sheriffs have more powers than bailiffs to enter properties, seize goods | 0:06:58 | 0:07:02 | |
and auction them to settle debts. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
Basically, we are looking to remove that vehicle today, to clear the debt. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
And they only take on debts of over £600. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
We're looking for just under £5,500. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
Every year, over 70,000 High Court writs are executed by High Court enforcement officers in the UK. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:23 | |
-We're here to seize goods. -Oh. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
And this morning, two of those officers, Mark Newton and Kev McNally, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:31 | |
are hoping to get plumber Ray Millet the money he's owed. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
6:20am, and we are looking for £11,100 on this today. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:40 | |
High Court writs are not something to be executed on an empty stomach, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
so Mark and Kev fuel up before starting their search for the company's registered office, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:52 | |
which also happens to be the home of boss Richard Hicks. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
There's no street number, just a house name. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
Only problem we have out this way is, obviously, we're on a really dark country lane | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
and we're trying to find a house name, which is always interesting. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
It's quite a busy road as well. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:09 | |
-We've got a house, there. -Can't see anything. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
This is where the sat-nav's taking us. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:16 | |
There's a big house sign there. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
Hi, there. Wonder if you can help us? | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
They looked like, "Nope, definitely never heard of that." | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
-Homestead. -Homestead? -Yeah. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
-It's not that, is it? -It's not that. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:31 | |
We'll go up the road a little bit more. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
It's not down that one, anyway. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
-This is called Lakeside. -Is it? -Yeah. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
What do we do? We'll have to ring this, won't we? | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
The sheriffs think they've found it, | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
but with no name on the gate and no-one answering the buzzer... | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
I don't think it's working. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
..there's one way to make sure. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
Shall I just go over? Ring his doorbell? | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
Yeah, go on. You can go. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
I ain't going over there, I'll break the gate! | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
High Court enforcement officers cannot force entry | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
to residential premises as they can commercial properties, | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
but they can legally climb a perimeter wall or fence to gain entry. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:15 | |
Unfortunately for Kev, this premises is not the house they're looking for. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
Going to come back over, Kev? | 0:09:20 | 0:09:21 | |
-Not even sure this is the house! -No. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
There's the night porter. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:33 | |
Hello, mate. I'm after the house. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
-It's over the road. -Is it? -Yeah. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
Cheers, mate. Thanks very much, thank you. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
Just got into this yard which has just opened, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
and they've told us that it's the house over the road without the name, | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
so our sat-nav was slightly out. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
The sheriffs have finally found the address on Ray's writ, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
but that's not the end of their problems. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
They're going to have a dog. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:57 | |
And if you're over there and the dog comes out, that's a long run! | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
Yeah. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:07 | |
Dog or no dog, is company boss Richard Hicks at home? | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
We've got to make sure he can't get out. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:12 | |
He's got room to get out behind us at the moment. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
No-one's answering the buzzer, so the boys block the drive | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
to make sure if he is in, he's going nowhere fast. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:26 | |
Somebody has come to the gate. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
But is it the man the sheriffs are after? | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
-Hi, there. -Hiya. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
-Can I help you? -Yeah, I'm after Richard, of RH Developments. -Yeah? | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
-Yeah. We're from High Court enforcement. -Yeah, for what? | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
It's about an outstanding writ that's been issued against you. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
-Ray Millett is the claimant. -Oh, right, yeah. -Yeah. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
We're here to collect the payment or seize goods. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
Right. That's something that we're arguing about with Ray Millett. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:55 | |
Yeah. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:56 | |
Unsurprisingly, he's none too happy about having to pay up. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
Obviously, it's something I want to sort out with him. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
If you can give us a day, I'll get hold of him. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
Well, it needs to be dealt with with us now, because it's gone to the High Court. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
OK, erm... Well, what can I do with you about it? | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
Well, we're here to collect the payment, which is £11,100 now. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
OK, erm... | 0:11:17 | 0:11:18 | |
-I can't do it right at this second, obviously. -No. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
-Can I have time to do it? -Well, we'll wait while you sort it out. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
-No, I mean time as in a week or so? -No, no, it needs to be done. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
You need to do it today, while we're here. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
-OK, erm, can I pay you by cheque? -No. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
We will need to leave here with something today. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
We're going to have to start seizing goods, then. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
If the defendant can't pay, the sheriffs will seize any company assets | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
up to the value they're after. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
But according to Richard Hicks, there's little for them to seize. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:56 | |
There's nothing here that's anything to do with the company or anything. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
I mean, all we have is a small office here, that's it. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
You said you've got an office here. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:04 | |
I mean, we've only got your word to go on that there's nothing in there, haven't we? | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
Well, there's a computer in there, and that's it. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
Yeah, so there's assets there, and we're sent here to seize them. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
-What, from my house? -Any company assets. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
No, they're not company assets. It's a tiny little office, you know. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
Do you want to show us that, or not? | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
-Yeah, of course I will. -Yeah? Well, come on, we'll go. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
Look, I'll take you in, I'll show you the office, | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
but you'll see there's only the office. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:28 | |
What are you going to do, then? | 0:12:28 | 0:12:30 | |
Well, if we do that, rather than shouting across the gate at the moment, | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
and we'll go from there. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:34 | |
-Give me two minutes, I'll come and get a key to open the gate. -Yeah, no problem. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
I just want him to pay. He's saying he's disputing it. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
He had the opportunity to do that at court and he didn't take that up, so... | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
A High Court writ costs £60. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
If the sheriffs are successful, there's nothing more for their client to pay. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
And if they're not, there's only an admin fee, also of £60. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
There's someone here now. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
-You're not touching anything in the house? -No, no. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
The argument won, Richard Hicks agrees to let Mark and Kev see his tiny little office, | 0:13:06 | 0:13:12 | |
which lies down his very big drive. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
Half an hour later, the sheriffs are back. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
We went to his office, which is just a small little room upstairs. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
There's a computer, a printer and a shredder, basically, | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
and two desks and a couple of leather chairs. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
He's saying he's got no money. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
He's signed the walk-in possession, we've given him the opportunity to pay, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
told him to get in touch with us in the next seven days, but he needs to start paying this. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
He's disputing the amount, saying he doesn't owe the guy what he is saying he owes him. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:48 | |
Not really my problem, to be honest. I'm not really interested in that. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
We're there chasing the amount that we were after on our paperwork, | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
so we're just going to have to hang on and see whether he gets in touch with us now, | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
or whether he decides to just ignore it. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
It's been a long morning's work for the sheriffs, but at least they've made progress. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:09 | |
They've found the right address, the right person, | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
and carried out a paper seizure of his company's assets. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
It's the first step in the process of getting Ray Millett the money he's owed. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
And one thing's for certain - | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
if Richard Hicks doesn't start paying soon, the sheriffs will be back. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
High Court enforcement officer Pete Spencer is in Manchester, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
on the trail of over £8,000 owed to a woman unfairly dismissed by a local company. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:46 | |
Southern UK Road Services dismissed Lesley Stonier | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
after she was signed off sick, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
having found her workload unmanageable. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
She took the company to an employment tribunal, | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
claiming unfair dismissal. | 0:14:57 | 0:14:59 | |
Southern UK Road Services agreed to settle out of court, | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
but the company still didn't pay her, | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
so Lesley turned to the sheriffs. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
Pete visited them before. They were tricky to find, | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
but, eventually, he managed to track down the company director, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
who wasn't keen on paying up. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
-£7,873.75. -Right. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
We're looking for payment today, | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
or we potentially could be removing vehicles. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
There is a colleague of mine who is supposed to be dealing with this. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
-He's not in at the moment. -OK. What time will he be in, do you know? | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
After some negotiation, the director agreed to sign | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
a walk-in possession, in which vehicles were seized on paper, | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
with a view to removing and selling them at a later date | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
if no payment is forthcoming. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
But since then, Lesley's still not received a penny. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
So Pete's back in the van and on his way to Southern UK Road Services. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
We're re-attending today, with a view to remove the vehicles | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
that we've levied previously, and also any other vehicles | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
that might be at the premises or any office furniture, computers, etc, | 0:16:06 | 0:16:11 | |
anything of any value to cover the outstanding debt. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
Pete arrives at the yard. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
Like all High Court enforcement officers, | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
he can force entry to commercial premises if he needs to. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
But today, there's no need. The gates are wide open. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
Excellent. I've managed to just walk straight through the opening gates. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
The guy's not obviously shut it behind him like last time. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
We'll just start levying some of the vehicles that weren't here before. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:40 | |
Once inside, Pete wastes no time eyeing up the vehicles | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
he plans to remove if Southern UK Road Services won't pay up. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
A few minutes with his clipboard and Pete's attracting attention. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
An employee tells him the director's not on site. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
But moments later, Pete spots a familiar face. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
Hiya. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:04 | |
Go out of the gates, then we'll talk. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
I'm sorry, I'm on the premises, so we'll speak here. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
It's the company director. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:10 | |
-How did you get on the premises? -Just walked in. The gate was open. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
Well, what have you seized? Because these do not belong to the company. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
That's fine. What we need to do is, | 0:17:17 | 0:17:18 | |
because you've not come back to us after our last visit... | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
Well, I believe that one of my colleagues is dealing, trying to do a deal... | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
-Right, OK. -..even as we speak, and I don't know whether he's been dealing with you. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
He's not been dealing with me. At the moment, we're looking at seizing these items. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
I've seized them anyway, and we're looking to remove them today... | 0:17:32 | 0:17:36 | |
-OK. -..unless we get a full payment... | 0:17:36 | 0:17:38 | |
-Right. -..which is £8,537.48. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:42 | |
Right, OK. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
I need to go back and find out where this negotiation is, | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
because as far as I was concerned, it was being sorted. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
That won't stop our enforcement today, | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
so we either need a full payment or we are looking to remove goods. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
Well, we'll have to find out, I'll have to find the paperwork for you, | 0:17:57 | 0:17:59 | |
-but you certainly can't seize other people's goods. -No, no. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
We can, and what we'll do is we'll seize them, remove them, | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
put them in storage for five days, and then you... You had the chance last time. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
-If these goods... -Well, as I say... | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
-Do you remember last time, you signed the agreement? -Yeah. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
The walk-in possession agreement? | 0:18:14 | 0:18:15 | |
That gave you, then, the opportunity to prove that those vehicles weren't owned by yourself. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:20 | |
-As I said, somebody was supposed to be dealing with this. -Right. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
They obviously haven't done, then. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:24 | |
-Right, OK, well, I'll need to look into that. -Right. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
The position is, we probably won't be able to pay you until this time next week, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
then we will be in a position to make a payment. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:32 | |
-Right. -OK. -I'll just carry on what I'm doing, then I'll come in and see you. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
-Yeah, OK. -OK. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:36 | |
While the director goes off to sort out his next move, | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
Pete carries on deciding which of the company's assets he'll give the green light to seize. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:46 | |
He'll stop at nothing to make sure Lesley will get what she's owed. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
Pete's just tucking into his third van when the director's back, | 0:18:52 | 0:18:56 | |
and this time, he wants Pete gone. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
Well, listen, I'm a director of the company, | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
I'm now asking you to leave the premises. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:03 | |
-Phone the police. -I will do. -OK. -OK. -That's fine. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
If you want to explain to them when you do phone them that we've seized goods, OK, | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
and I've got a writ to attend here, and that's why I'm on the premises, OK? | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
Lucky for Pete, the law's very much on his side. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
The High Court writ means he's allowed on site and the police can't remove him. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:24 | |
-You won't give me 24 hours to sort this out? -I can't do that, no. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
You've had plenty of time since our last visit. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
-We don't have the money right here, right now. -Card? | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
Bank transfer? | 0:19:32 | 0:19:33 | |
No. We can probably do something by... | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
We can probably pay something tomorrow and we can probably... | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
It's going to have to be today, or else we will be removing goods, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
and then you'll have extra charges on top for removal. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:44 | |
-These goods... -You've been given the opportunity to prove that. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
-These goods don't belong to us. I'll go and take legal advice. -Right, OK. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
Before Pete can progress his list, the director returns. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:57 | |
He insists he can't pay the amount Pete's after, | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
but nor does he want his vehicles removed. Luckily, there's a third way. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
From my point of view, what I'm trying to do is get a solution. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
-Yeah. -OK? | 0:20:07 | 0:20:08 | |
A solution would be, potentially, a part-payment today, | 0:20:08 | 0:20:12 | |
and then go into the monthly offer, | 0:20:12 | 0:20:13 | |
but that would have to go through the office, obviously, and the claimant, if they'd accept that. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:18 | |
What part-payment? | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
That's up to you to tell me. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
A part-payment of £2,000? | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
If that's what you're saying, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:25 | |
I'll have to run that by the office and see what they say. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
-Can you try that, please? -OK. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:29 | |
And when would you be looking to do that? | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
As soon as you said that would be acceptable. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
I'll make the call. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:35 | |
At last, there's some sign of movement, | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
but the amount offered is still a long way short of the £8,500 owing. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:44 | |
Pete checks back in with the office. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
Will £2,000 be enough for the director to get Pete off his back? | 0:20:48 | 0:20:53 | |
Hi, Lawrence. I'm just at the Southern UK Road Services at Manchester... | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
Yeah... | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
Yeah, no problem. OK, speak to you soon. Thanks, bye. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
Yeah. All right, Cheers, bye. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
Erm, no, they want to remove. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
All right. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:14 | |
That's not to say you can't up the offer and I can put a larger offer into him, | 0:21:14 | 0:21:19 | |
but he's looking at half the amount, minimum, today, or we're removing. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:24 | |
I certainly can't go to 4,000. Certainly can't go to 4,000. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:29 | |
-I mean, it's... -Let me come back to you. -Yep, no problem, thanks. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
The director heads back inside to reconsider his offer. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
We need some sort of payment today, and whether or not it's a substantial payment | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
and then going to a monthly payment, or we are looking to remove goods. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:48 | |
Having made more calls, the director's back with an improved offer. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:53 | |
The totaliser now stands at £3,000. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
-Can you just try 3K? I mean, it's really squeezing it. -Right. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
I can try, but I have phoned him in-between you going in there | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
and coming out, just to get some further checks on the operating | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
licences of the end vehicles up there, that's all. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
I just said... | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
-I am trying my best here. -Yeah, fine. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
Pete accepts the director is being reasonable | 0:22:19 | 0:22:21 | |
and trying to find a solution, but is his best offer good enough? | 0:22:21 | 0:22:25 | |
Pete gets back to the office to find out. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
And he is trying, he's actually trying to try and sort it out. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
But the office is digging its heels in. 3K won't wash. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
He says we're not here to discuss it, we're here to basically remove items today, | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
because you got the opportunity last time to prove, | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
so we're not here, really, to enter a discussion about how much. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
-It's full payment or remove. -I thought you said 50% earlier. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
I've said I can negotiate, but the least it will take is 50% of the outstanding value. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:58 | |
Once again, it's the long walk back to the office for the director. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
Shortly after, the director returns with news from his legal team. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:09 | |
I've spoken very briefly, because the guy I need to speak to is in hospital at the moment, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
but he says he applied for a suspension of the warrant on Monday. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:17 | |
Right. That wouldn't stop our enforcement today. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
-I'm just saying what he said. -Yeah. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
So, I believe he hasn't got that piece of paper in his hand yet, | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
so until he's got that piece of paper, | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
I guess that's not going to do anything. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
No. And that takes time as well. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
I mean, the best way would be... I've just spoken to our office again, | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
quite happily take the 50% today, and then give you the opportunity to sort the offer out | 0:23:35 | 0:23:41 | |
-to pay the rest off. -Right. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:43 | |
Well, what I'll do is, because I've got to shoot off soon, | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
I will squeeze 4,2 out. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
Right, OK. It's 4,2-something, isn't it? Is that on card? | 0:23:49 | 0:23:53 | |
-It'll be a bank transfer. -Bank transfer, OK, yeah. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
And it'll have to get authorised by somebody else, our accountant. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
Do you want me to come in and sort it out with you? | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
I've got all the bank details where you need to pay it to. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
The director goes off to squeeze his £4,200 out. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
I'd rather that there was no filming inside. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
Right, that's fine. They don't want you to film inside. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
It's gone well for Pete. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:17 | |
His tough negotiating has got Lesley Stonier the 50% minimum payment | 0:24:17 | 0:24:22 | |
she and the office were after, with a payment plan to come for the rest. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
Yeah, that's a good result today. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
I don't think he could have come up with the full amount, from what he was telling me. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
Whether that's true or not, we don't know, but we have got 50% payment on that, | 0:24:32 | 0:24:37 | |
and he has only got five days now to sort out the rest. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
Job done. Leslie Stonier can expect a hefty cheque in the post. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
Southern UK Road Services settled out of court, | 0:24:49 | 0:24:53 | |
and say they are a caring and nurturing business. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
Another person who's had to turn to the sheriffs for help is Jan Smith. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:06 | |
She's run into problems with a local auction house, | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
having inherited a number of valuable antiques from her family. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
My parents have died, and my brother died about five years ago, | 0:25:14 | 0:25:19 | |
so we had a lot of inherited pieces from them. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
There was a lot of jewellery which belonged to my mother | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
and some watches and a box set of silver coins. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:32 | |
We thought probably, if we could get a reasonable amount of money, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
then maybe we might buy something with the proceeds, | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
as a memento of parents and my brother. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
But to raise the money, she needed to sell the valuables. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:47 | |
Luckily, she'd come across a local auction house, | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
Cameo Fine Art Auctioneers, which seemed to fit the bill. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:54 | |
I'd driven past it a number of times, | 0:25:54 | 0:25:56 | |
and it always had advertising... sales, forthcoming sales, etc, | 0:25:56 | 0:26:01 | |
and also, of course, I had seen them on the television, | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
the very auction site, so I thought, well, surely they would be reputable. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:10 | |
Jan took along the jewellery, some pottery left to her by her mother, | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
and her brother's valuable collection of Chelsea Football Club memorabilia. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:19 | |
Over the next few weeks, many of the items went up for sale, | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
much of it was sold, and Jan was able to watch it all online. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
I think the jewellery itself went for just under £2,000, | 0:26:29 | 0:26:35 | |
and then, obviously, we had the family round here | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
and we were all getting very excited about this. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
The sale netted Jan just under £3,000 in total, | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
although the pottery and the football memorabilia weren't sold. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
Jan waited patiently for her money, but nothing came. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
Despite regular calls and e-mails over several months, | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
Cameo wouldn't send Jan her money or her remaining unsold items. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:02 | |
I was getting very frustrated and very angry about their lack of communication | 0:27:02 | 0:27:07 | |
and the fact that they had my money, | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
but equally, they had my goods, my inherited goods. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:14 | |
These belonged to my relatives, who'd died, | 0:27:14 | 0:27:18 | |
and I was really very sad that somebody was just hanging onto them, | 0:27:18 | 0:27:22 | |
or doing whatever with them. Who knows? So I then said, | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
"Unless I hear from you and you start responding to my e-mails, | 0:27:25 | 0:27:30 | |
"I will have to take this further and put it in the hands of a solicitor." | 0:27:30 | 0:27:35 | |
But the threat of legal action had little effect. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
Jan was left with no choice but to take the auction house to the County Court. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
Cameo didn't attend, and the court awarded in Jan's favour. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
But despite further solicitor's letters, | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
there's been no payment from Cameo or the return of Jan's unsold items. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:53 | |
I haven't had any money whatsoever. It's just outrageous. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:58 | |
It is outrageous that people can proceed like this | 0:27:58 | 0:28:03 | |
and just take people for a ride, and that's what it is. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:08 | |
I really want to see these people brought to some sort of justice, really. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:13 | |
With no-one else to help her, Jan's had to turn to the sheriffs. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
If I get a call from the enforcement officers, once they've been down to Cameo, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
that they've paid in full, I will be absolutely delighted. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
If not, I will push to the end to see what further we need to do, | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
because it wouldn't be the end of the story. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
Midday on the M4 westbound, | 0:28:38 | 0:28:40 | |
and Sheriffs Lawrence and Mark are heading to Reading on Jan's behalf. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:45 | |
They're going to see Cameo Fine Art Auctioneers. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
What we've got is a writ of delivery with a money order attached, | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
which means we're there to actually remove specific goods | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
which belong to our client, and to collect money on their behalf. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
High Court enforcement officers are no strangers to the world of auctioneers | 0:29:00 | 0:29:07 | |
and the issues involved in seizures at their premises. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:09 | |
The problem when you go to any auction house | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
is the majority of the goods that are there aren't actually theirs. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
They've been put there to be sold on behalf of their clients. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
At this stage, we don't know what we're going to find. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
The specific items we're looking for should be there, | 0:29:23 | 0:29:25 | |
because they were left with the auction house. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
It's not long before Mark spots the premises they're looking for. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:33 | |
Cameo. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
They park up and head in. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
First, they need to find whoever's in charge. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
Hello, there. We're enforcement officers. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:46 | |
We're here to execute a High Court writ. We've got a writ of delivery. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
Excuse me. What for? What for? I don't even know what this is about. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:55 | |
-Right. We've got a writ of delivery on behalf of a Janet Smith... -Right. | 0:29:55 | 0:30:00 | |
..for various items. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:02 | |
With a High Court writ presented to him, the manager agrees to hear Lawrence out. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:09 | |
But he asks our camera operator to leave. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
The negotiations will take place behind closed doors. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
An hour later, and the manager suddenly emerges. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
He heads off in his car, leaving the sheriffs inside the office. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:25 | |
Before long, he returns. But what's he been doing? | 0:30:27 | 0:30:32 | |
Lawrence comes downstairs to fill us in. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
The guy, he's gone and got £1,000 out of his own money, | 0:30:38 | 0:30:44 | |
but I don't like walking away without full payment. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:49 | |
Lawrence re-enters the fray. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:51 | |
£1,000 is well short of the £4,260 that Jan Smith is owed. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:57 | |
Sometime later, the sheriffs re-emerge. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
But did they get Jan her money? | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
We met the gentleman in charge. He wasn't aware of any of this. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
He's not actually the owner. He later told us that the owner was aware of it, | 0:31:11 | 0:31:15 | |
but obviously wasn't aware that we were going to be visiting him quite as quickly as we did. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:21 | |
He agreed to pay us the full balance, although he couldn't do so today. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
He had to take £1,000 out of his own bank account | 0:31:24 | 0:31:26 | |
and he's promised to pay the rest of the balance tomorrow. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
We've got a signed walk-in possession, | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
we've got a right to force entry to commercial premises anyway. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
The sheriffs weren't able to find the auction items that Jan Smith wanted back, | 0:31:35 | 0:31:40 | |
but it looks like they have been successful in getting her cash. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
We've left him in no doubt that we will be back if full payment | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
isn't received into the account tomorrow, so it's watch this space. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
Half of me thinks he'll definitely do it, but you can never tell. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:56 | |
You can never tell, so we'll just have to wait for payment to hit the account tomorrow, | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
and if it doesn't, we'll be back. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:02 | |
The sheriffs never close a case before payment is signed, sealed and delivered. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:08 | |
They return to base to await developments. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:13 | |
Former music teacher Martin Battersby has had to turn to the sheriffs | 0:32:22 | 0:32:26 | |
after his dream of owning a children's nursery turned sour. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:30 | |
His problems started after he decided he wanted to give up teaching and go into business. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:42 | |
Wife Emma suggested they jointly buy and run a nursery. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:46 | |
Found one that we thought we'd like, | 0:32:46 | 0:32:51 | |
and I rang the estate agents the next day to say, | 0:32:51 | 0:32:56 | |
"Could you put me on to a broker, | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
"so I can see if I can actually raise the money to do this?" | 0:32:59 | 0:33:03 | |
And they instantly passed me on to Chris Bull. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:07 | |
Chris Bull ran Clear Business Mortgages. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
He read Martin and Emma's business plan and he agreed to try and find them a lender. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
There was a £750 fee, but they'd get £700 of it back if he couldn't raise them the money. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:21 | |
So I paid the fee, we sorted the paperwork out, it was all gung ho, | 0:33:23 | 0:33:27 | |
and then Chris rang me at the beginning of February to say, | 0:33:27 | 0:33:32 | |
"I've run it past the bank, and they've said yes." | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
Excellent! | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
He said, "We've got it all sorted out, we should be able to do it." | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
Delighted at the good news, Martin and Emma put in an offer for the dream nursery they'd seen online. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:46 | |
It was a busy time for them, getting ready for their new business venture. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:50 | |
-We'd got the date set, everything was in place. -Yeah. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
On top of that, solicitors had been involved, | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
-so there was a good few thousand pounds' bill in solicitor's fees. -Yeah. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
The really silly part about it is I'd taken redundancy from work, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:06 | |
thinking that we'd got this going, and I thought, "This is going to be excellent." | 0:34:06 | 0:34:10 | |
Martin and Emma hurriedly spent Martin's redundancy money | 0:34:10 | 0:34:14 | |
on essentials for their new nursery, like stationery and toys, | 0:34:14 | 0:34:18 | |
all based on the mortgage Chris Bull had set up for them. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
I suppose we trusted him, at the end of the day. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
It was our first time buying a nursery, so we thought, | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
"Well, he's the expert, he knows." | 0:34:28 | 0:34:31 | |
But just when they needed to finalise the mortgage, there was bad news. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:36 | |
Chris Bull said there was a delay. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
Then he went silent on them altogether. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
I'm ringing him, pestering him and texting him to say, "What's happening? What's happening?" | 0:34:41 | 0:34:45 | |
Not getting any answers. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:46 | |
I'd already set up a bank account | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
with the bank I thought was loaning me the money. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:51 | |
I dealt with the local business manager, | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
and she turned round to me and said, "I've gone through this file. There's no money. | 0:34:55 | 0:35:00 | |
"Yes, there's a file being raised, but there's been no monies agreed." | 0:35:00 | 0:35:06 | |
And I'm, like, horrified. What's going on here? | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
There was no mortgage. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
The money Chris Bull said the bank had agreed to hadn't been agreed at all. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:15 | |
And no mortgage meant Martin and Emma had no choice but to pull out of the nursery sale. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:21 | |
I really felt almost abandoned. I thought, "Well, what are we going to do here?" | 0:35:21 | 0:35:25 | |
No job, money going out, money running out... | 0:35:25 | 0:35:31 | |
and I've got nothing to do, I've got no future to go with | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
and no business to have at the end of it. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:38 | |
We felt silly and embarrassed by the fact that we'd been led along the garden path all of this time, | 0:35:38 | 0:35:43 | |
and still nothing at the end of it. I felt angry with it as well, | 0:35:43 | 0:35:47 | |
because I felt stupid that I'd allowed it to finish up like this, | 0:35:47 | 0:35:51 | |
because we'd believed what he was saying. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
Chris Bull wouldn't even give them back the £700 fee he'd promised them was refundable. | 0:35:54 | 0:36:00 | |
Desperate to recoup some of the money they'd spent on putting the nursery sale together, | 0:36:00 | 0:36:05 | |
they took him to the County Court. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
Mr Bull didn't attend, and the court found in the Battersbys' favour. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:12 | |
But Mr Bull still hasn't paid up. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
With nowhere left to turn, they've had to call on the sheriffs. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:20 | |
I want my money back. End of. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:22 | |
If, at any point, he could have actually said, | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
"Look, I haven't got this bank stuff in place, | 0:36:25 | 0:36:27 | |
"the finances aren't in place, we need to halt this until such time as we have..." | 0:36:27 | 0:36:32 | |
-That would have done. -Yeah. I'd have been happy with that. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
OK, it wouldn't have been ideal, but I'd have been happy with it. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
He never even went down that route. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:40 | |
He just strung us along, the whole way along. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:42 | |
"Yeah, it's going to happen, it's going to happen." | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
We've got nothing to lose now, in that sense. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
We're just trying to fight back and see what money we can get back from Chris. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:52 | |
The Battersbys are owed over £5,000, and to get it back, they've come to Sheriff Pete, | 0:36:53 | 0:36:59 | |
who feels some sympathy for what they must have gone through. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
The guy got told it was all OK, gave up his job, etc... | 0:37:02 | 0:37:10 | |
to be left with nothing, basically. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
I think it's going to be his private address we're going to this morning. It is in his private name. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:18 | |
Hopefully, he'll be in. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
If Mr Bull can't find the money, | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
Pete's intending to seize any vehicles he might own. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
Obviously, if there is some vehicles there, we'll do some DVLA checks. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
If they come back as positive, we'll then HPI them to see if they're finance-free, | 0:37:32 | 0:37:37 | |
with a view to removing them if he doesn't pay. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:41 | |
Seizing people's cars isn't something the sheriffs undertake lightly. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:46 | |
It's going to cause a big disruption to somebody to lose their vehicle, obviously, | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
so it's a last resort to remove a vehicle, | 0:37:52 | 0:37:56 | |
and it's obviously our last resort if we do have to remove it, | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
and then it obviously goes to auction to be sold to recover the outstanding debt. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:03 | |
Pete's nearly reached Chris Bull's address. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
The Battersbys, meanwhile, wait patiently at home for the result. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
On arrival, Pete spots a potential seizure target, and it's German-made. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:18 | |
We've got a BMW in the driveway, by the look of it, if it's the correct house. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:23 | |
That's the one. Private registration number as well on the car, | 0:38:23 | 0:38:27 | |
so just make a quick note of the registration number. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
They've got the TV on, so somebody's at home. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
Time to head in and see whether Mr Bull's prepared to give the Battersbys | 0:38:38 | 0:38:42 | |
the money they're legally due. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:44 | |
KNOCK ON DOOR | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
Hiya... OK, no problem. Mr Bull, is it? | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
Enforcement officer, enforcing a High Court writ, | 0:38:52 | 0:38:54 | |
regarding a Mr Battersby. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:58 | |
Yeah? Are we OK? Yeah? Cheers, thank you. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:00 | |
We're not invited in. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:02 | |
Will Pete get the Battersbys their money? | 0:39:04 | 0:39:06 | |
40 minutes later, Pete re-emerges. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
Thanks. Cheers. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:14 | |
We've collected £2,500 today of the outstanding amount, which was, I think, 5,2. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:20 | |
The most he could transfer today and get hold of was two and a half. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:23 | |
We've levied items in the property to protect the outstanding debt, | 0:39:23 | 0:39:28 | |
and that'll stay there until the full payment's been made, | 0:39:28 | 0:39:33 | |
so he's going to now look into a monthly offer. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
It will be £150 per month, that's what he said to me at the moment. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:40 | |
He's going to have a look at his finances later on, | 0:39:40 | 0:39:42 | |
when his partner returns, and maybe increase that offer. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:46 | |
It's a good end to the day for Pete. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
Half the money the Battersbys are owed and more promised as part of a payment plan. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:56 | |
And if that money isn't forthcoming, Pete will be back. | 0:39:56 | 0:40:03 | |
We asked Mr Bull to comment. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
He told us that before the High Court writ was issued, | 0:40:06 | 0:40:08 | |
he did attempt to make an offer to the Battersbys, | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
but he claims that his offer was not received by them. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
A month after the sheriffs visited Cameo Fine Art Auctioneers, | 0:40:20 | 0:40:25 | |
Jan Smith's received her money back in full, | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
but she's still not got back the unsold pottery | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
and football memorabilia she left with Cameo as well. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:34 | |
I'm delighted, absolutely delighted that we have got the money back | 0:40:34 | 0:40:39 | |
from the sale and the costs. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
However, the other goods, where are they? | 0:40:41 | 0:40:45 | |
We don't know, and that is very, very frustrating. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:50 | |
Following Sheriff Pete Spencer's visit to Chris Bull, | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
Martin and Emma Battersby soon received their first payment, with more promised. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:59 | |
It's a great step forward. We've got something back. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
Hopefully, we'll get all of it back. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:04 | |
It's now one month since the sheriffs paid Richard Hicks | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
of RH Developments Cotswolds Ltd a visit on behalf of plumber Ray Millett. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:14 | |
The good news for Ray is that since then, the company has agreed | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
to a payment plan of £1,000 a month for the money he's owed. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:22 | |
It is the best result we could have got. It was the right thing to do. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:25 | |
The system is there for these situations, and people should use it. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:30 | |
Next time... | 0:41:34 | 0:41:35 | |
..it's the most important day of your life, but what do you do | 0:41:37 | 0:41:41 | |
when your wedding photographer turns wedding bells into wedding hell? | 0:41:41 | 0:41:46 | |
We can't get those memories. He just won't be able to video that again. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:50 | |
The sheriffs invite him to speak now or for ever hold his peace. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
All right, we're in. Thank you very much. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
We're now going to do a diligent search of the property, | 0:41:59 | 0:42:01 | |
because we've gained peaceful entry. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:03 | |
Cleaner Michael Martin won an employment tribunal after being unfairly dismissed | 0:42:05 | 0:42:10 | |
but still hasn't been given any of the money he was awarded. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:14 | |
I was getting no closer, Christmas was coming, | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
I had to cancel Christmas from the kids. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
When it comes to getting his money, can the sheriffs clean up? | 0:42:19 | 0:42:23 | |
If we don't seize goods here today, we're in contempt of court. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:27 | |
With her husband away fighting in Afghanistan, | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
Louise Oakley-Green had to find and buy a new family car on her own, | 0:42:30 | 0:42:35 | |
but she was sold a faulty Ford, and the company she bought it from wouldn't refund her. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:40 | |
It has been one of the most stressful periods in my entire life. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:46 | |
This experience I would not wish on my worst enemy. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:50 | |
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