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What do you do if you're ripped off and don't know where to turn? | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
I did outline all the faults in the vehicle. He rejected all those. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
A court of law backs you, | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
but you still don't get your money. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
Little did I know how long it would take to try and recover the money from him. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
(Sorry.) | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
It's time to call the sheriffs. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
We have every right to enter the premises by force if necessary. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:27 | |
We will be entering that building. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
Sheriffs are High Court enforcement officers, | 0:00:29 | 0:00:33 | |
who recover what a court judgment says is owed. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
The writ orders us to come here and seize goods | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
to the value of this debt. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:41 | |
They're the experts in getting cash that's rightfully yours. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:47 | |
£1,323. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
But fighting for the underdog isn't a job for the faint-hearted. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
Mind yourself, Lawrence. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:54 | |
I'll back that truck straight through your windscreen! | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
Debtors aren't pleased to see them. | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
They're harassing me. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:00 | |
Because they hate paying up. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
-Are you happy for me to leave you some paperwork? -No. I'm not. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
-Go away. -DOOR SLAMS | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
In today's programme... | 0:01:10 | 0:01:11 | |
Karen Steadman's employers were supposed to deduct money | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
from her wages, to go towards paying her rent. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
The money was deducted, | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
but they didn't pass it all onto her landlord. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
So Karen and her family were threatened with eviction. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
It was very, very stressful, | 0:01:29 | 0:01:30 | |
and I wouldn't like any other person to go through it. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
The sheriffs pay her employers a visit. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
Will they get Karen's cash? | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
-What do I need to do, then? -You need to pay it. -I need to pay it? | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
The sheriffs go to the home of a businessman who failed to pay an employee her wages. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:48 | |
They're told he's moved out. But is it the truth? | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
-OK, mate. -Bye-bye. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:52 | |
If that bloke was lying, I don't think he'd give us a forwarding address, | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
cos the chances are you're going to get rumbled. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
And the sheriffs revisit a garage in Hayes which sold a customer's car | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
but didn't give him the money. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
They remove property to settle the debt, | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
but a £20,000 piece of equipment is missing. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
It was here this morning, cos the power lead's still plugged in. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
So I think potentially it's in the boot of a car somewhere. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
The Steadman family lives in Lewisham, London. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
Ten years ago, mum Karen got behind on her rent. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
But her landlord agreed a solution. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
Karen's employers, APCOA Parking, | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
would deduct money directly from her wages every month | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
to pay her rent and the arrears. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
But in 2008, Karen and her daughter, Ayesha, got a shock. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:48 | |
We kind of just assumed that everything was going along fine, | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
until one day the housing officer turned up | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
and said they hadn't been paid, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
and that was the first we knew of it. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
Of course, the money was still being deducted off Mum's wages. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
It turned out the deducted wages hadn't been passed on | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
to Karen's landlords by APCOA. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
The rent arrears had reached £10,000, | 0:03:05 | 0:03:09 | |
and the Steadmans' landlords couldn't wait any longer for the cash. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
They said that they wanted the money, the lump sum of money, now. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
And if we didn't, then they wanted to evict us from our house. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:21 | |
There was no way Karen could get her hands on such a large amount | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
of money at short notice. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
We couldn't pay, so it was like, | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
my mum had to talk to her employer to try and find out what happened. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
But then they started giving her the run around | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
and it wasn't giving much information. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
Ayesha and her brother, Josiah, became forensic accountants | 0:03:37 | 0:03:41 | |
overnight, scouring their mum's wage slips and rent books | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
for proof that the rent money had been deducted from her wages, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
but not passed on to her landlord. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
I wanted to stay in the house that I grew up in, | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
so I had to find out what happened. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
My mum was getting really stressed, and she was getting headaches and stuff, | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
Obviously it's not good for her health. I had to help her. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
Me and my brother had to do something. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
It's very, very stressful, | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
and I wouldn't like any other person to go through it. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
The wage slips proved the money had been taken, but not passed on. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:15 | |
The Steadmans took APCOA Parking to the County Court. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
It was a David and Goliath case. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
Ayesha, with her home-made dossier of documents, | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
against APCOA Parking, a £500 million company. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:29 | |
The judge was really impressed. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
He was like, the main thing was the table, | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
where we worked out what APCOA had taken | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
and how much they paid over and how much they kept, and all the dates. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
And once he saw that, he was like, that's the main thing he needed. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
The County Court judge found in the Steadmans' favour, | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
but the company still didn't pay up. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
So Ayesha applied for a High Court writ for the owed money. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:55 | |
I thought that this would work, it was just a matter of doing it | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
and then when the lady phoned my mum to say that they received the case, | 0:04:58 | 0:05:03 | |
I was quite relieved. It was like, "We're going to get paid. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
"I'm sure we're going to get paid." | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
I thought, "At last." | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
"I can be rent... I can be debt-free... | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
"For a very long time. I can be actually debt-free." | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
Living in debt isn't fun. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
It's stressful. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
Good afternoon... | 0:05:26 | 0:05:27 | |
Because APCOA Parking didn't pay up, | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
the Steadmans contacted this High Court enforcement office. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
They allocated the case to sheriffs Kev McNally and Lawrence Grix. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:42 | |
And now, they are on their way to APCOA to enforce the writ | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
and hopefully get Karen's cash, plus court costs and interest. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:52 | |
They owe just over £19,000. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
Whether they want to part with that money straightaway remains to be seen. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
Lawrence and Kev's first challenge | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
will be finding the right person to speak to | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
at a company with 4,300 employees. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
Nobody will want to deal with it, basically. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
It'll be everybody else's problem. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
And you'll probably have to wade around for a while until... | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
firstly, the person that deals with the actual problem arrives, | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
and then they'll have to get in touch with who's going to pay it. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
So it's going to be Legal Department, Finance Department... | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
But they should have money to pay it, that shouldn't be a problem. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
The prospect of being bounced from department to department | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
isn't the only thing concerning Lawrence. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
He's worried he might get a parking ticket. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
It's a parking company, and funny enough, we're parked outside | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
where it says Residents' Parking or Pay At Machine, | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
and there's no pay-and-display machine in sight, anywhere up this road. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
Erm, so there you go. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
I've put a sign in the window. What effect that'll have, I don't know. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
We'll ask when we get in where we can buy a ticket. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
Don't want to incur a parking fine. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
Sheriffs handing over cash to the firm that owes them money? | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
Now that would be a first(!) | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
-Good morning. -Hello, there. -Hi, there. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
-My name's Mr Grix. I'm an enforcement officer. -OK. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
I'm here today to execute a High Court writ | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
against APCOA Parking UK Limited on behalf of a Karen Steadman. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
OK. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
So, I don't know who you're going to need to call to... | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
to deal with that. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:27 | |
Hi, there. I've got an enforcement officer in reception. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
They're wanting to issue a writ on behalf of Karen...? | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
-Steadman. -Steadman. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
-She's going to get someone. -Thank you. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
As a matter of interest, we parked in the road opposite, | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
and it says Residents' Parking or Pay At Machine. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
But there's no pay-and-display machine. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
I don't suppose you know where one is? | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
We've had this problem, | 0:07:48 | 0:07:49 | |
-we don't actually do the parking, believe it or not. -But you don't know where there's a machine? | 0:07:49 | 0:07:54 | |
I don't, because a colleague had the same problem | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
-and she just left it there... -Yeah, I've put a note in the window. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
Hello, there. I'll show you some ID first. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
Mr Grix, I'm an enforcement officer. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
I'm here today to execute a High Court writ | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
against APCOA Parking UK Limited, on behalf of a Karen Steadman. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:11 | |
Erm, there was a judgment made for... | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
-A judgment made? -Yeah. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
When was the judgment issued? | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
-Erm... -Cos sometimes they don't come to the Head Office, sometimes they go out... | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
Well, the County Court date was 30th September this year. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
This says 24th of the first, we've got none outstanding. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
Erm... | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
And I can get the report for you, which I got off the... | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
A report doesn't, you know, doesn't mean anything. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
You know, if you believe you've got nothing outstanding, | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
obviously it must have been paid, and you would need to evidence that. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
-It's, you know... -Absolutely. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
It's no good saying, "Oh, there's nothing on the report." | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
I've actually got one here, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
where I've printed it off. County Court Judgment, 30 September, 2011... | 0:08:52 | 0:08:57 | |
for £16,039 in Bromley. | 0:08:57 | 0:08:58 | |
-What do I need to do, then? -You need to pay it. -I need to pay it? | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
In cleared funds, so it can be transfer, | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
but it needs to be an instant transfer. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
We need to be able to see it arrive in the company account. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
-OK. In that case, gentlemen, would you like to take a seat? -Yeah, sure. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
-I will see what arrangements I can make... -Thank you. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
A cheque won't do? | 0:09:19 | 0:09:20 | |
No, no, we don't take cheques at all. It's got to be cleared funds. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
It's good news for the Steadmans | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
that Lawrence had done his homework before coming today. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
It's always handy, because I produced... | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
I produced that check myself, | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
I ran the check myself the other day before I left the office. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
And obviously that shows it's still outstanding, so... | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
And obviously if the lady hasn't done a check recently, it's got missed. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:48 | |
Half an hour later, APCOA's Legal Department calls Lawrence | 0:09:49 | 0:09:54 | |
to say the company disputed the judgment | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
and asked for a 'set aside' | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
to delay payment while the case was considered. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
But that was months ago, | 0:10:02 | 0:10:03 | |
before the date on the Steadmans' High Court writ. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
Did you actually get a date for your... | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
for your hearing, for your set aside? | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
Right. Well, perhaps they didn't even get your application, then, sir. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
So, we're eight months down the line. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
You applied for a set aside and you've heard nothing | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
and, with respect, you've done nothing about it. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
But if you've applied and not heard back, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
surely you should be checking into that. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
All I can go by, sir, is what I've got in front of me today, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
which is the live writ. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:38 | |
I mean, we need to collect money. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
I mean, there's plenty of assets here that we can remove, if necessary, to clear this debt. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
OK. But all that... All that will end up doing is putting up the costs, | 0:10:45 | 0:10:50 | |
because obviously we'll have to call in lorries to remove sufficient goods from the premises. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
OK. And it's going to disrupt... | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
Right, the total outstanding at the moment is £19,213. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:01 | |
But if we go over the next 15 minutes, | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
we'll have been here an hour, so an hour's waiting time will be going on that, | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
which is £181.50 plus VAT. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
At this point, our cameraman was asked to stop filming. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:16 | |
He left the premises to await developments. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
An hour later and Lawrence has emerged from the building. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
Erm... It was payment in full. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:28 | |
Had the solicitor on the phone. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:30 | |
They applied for a judgment to be set aside | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
back in January or February. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
They hadn't heard anything back. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
But just an application for set aside doesn't stop us enforcing anyway. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
And it is a bit foolish, if you haven't heard anything, | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
to just let it go for that long. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
They've paid it, and I've checked that the money's in | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
and it is in our account. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
So I've issued a receipt and that's it. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
Lawrence and his colleagues successfully retrieve | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
over £2 million from debtors each month. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
They can now add £19,000 to this month's total. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
We asked APCOA to comment. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
They say that Karen Steadman is a valued member of staff. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
They say the situation arose as a result of an error | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
and the matter was in the process of being resolved | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
when the High Court writ was issued. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
In Lewisham, Karen is relieved | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
that the sheriff's mission has been a success. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
But she knows she also owes a debt of gratitude to her daughter, Ayesha, and son, Josiah. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:34 | |
It's amazing what they've achieved, | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
and I'm very proud of them. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
And I couldn't do it without them, | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
because the stress, for me, it was too much. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
Ayesha has a tip for anyone who needs to take on a big company in court. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:51 | |
Keep documents of everything. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
Make sure you've got proof of all of the things that you do, | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
because people will twist what you're saying... | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
what they can to get out of anything. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
I've learnt, keep all of your documents. Keep them all. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
Thanks to Ayesha and the sheriffs, | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
the Steadman family no longer faces eviction. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
It's 7am, and Sheriff Marc Newton is on his way to Winchester | 0:13:17 | 0:13:22 | |
with colleague, Kev. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:23 | |
They're acting on behalf of an office manager | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
who didn't get paid for a month's work. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
She took her two ex-bosses to a tribunal, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
which found in her favour. But they still didn't pay up. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
So she got a High Court writ. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
Marc and Kev are about to enforce it. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
We've got a Robert and a Patrick we're looking for at this address. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:46 | |
So... | 0:13:46 | 0:13:47 | |
We're looking for a total amount of £3,482. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
KNOCK ON DOOR | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
I'm after Robert Engelhus. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
The man who opens the door says Mr Engelhus moved out a month ago. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
No problem. I'm from the High Court. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
They've issued a writ for him today at this address. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
I don't suppose you've got a forwarding address for him at all? | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
The man does have an address for Mr Engelhus. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
It's a valuable lead. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:21 | |
Debtors rarely leave such information behind. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
We need to try to get there quick, really, before he gets to work. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
-Should be local, I think. -Should be. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
The address is only minutes away. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
But when they arrive, there's no sign of the man they're looking for. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
Hiya. I'm after Robert Engelhus? | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
The woman who answers the door says Mr Engelhus doesn't live at this address. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:51 | |
She clearly has nothing to do with the writ | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
the sheriffs are trying to enforce. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
No problem. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:57 | |
'Because we've been to another address for him, | 0:14:57 | 0:14:59 | |
'and the bloke said he just moved in. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
'But I don't know whether that bloke's telling the...' | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
All right. Lovely. Bye-bye. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
She's telling the truth. Definitely. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
-She is? -Yeah, she is. But I'm a bit dubious about him now. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:16 | |
Marc's starting to wonder whether the man at the first address | 0:15:16 | 0:15:20 | |
sent them on a wild goose chase. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:22 | |
Kev thinks not. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
If that bloke was lying, I don't think he'd give us a forwarding address, | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
-cos the chances are you'll get rumbled. -Yeah. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
By giving us a forward address, | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
when you could easily just say no to that, couldn't you? | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
-Yeah. -But saying no to that is an easier option than | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
giving us an address, innit? | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
There's only one way to find out if the man was lying - | 0:15:39 | 0:15:44 | |
go back to where they started and question him more intensively. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
This time a woman answers the door | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
and says her husband has gone to work. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
But if he has, he must have walked there. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
The car is still on the drive. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
Can you just confirm his name, then, just so we can let the court know... | 0:16:01 | 0:16:05 | |
Erm... No. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
I don't want to... | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
That's a somewhat strange response to being asked your husband's name. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:15 | |
Right... | 0:16:15 | 0:16:16 | |
-Must confirm something, I guess. -Exactly, that confirms, all right... | 0:16:21 | 0:16:26 | |
She made a point of locking the door, as well. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
When the door opens again, the truth is revealed. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
-What's this about, mate? -Hiya. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
The man from earlier is home, | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
and he is the businessman named in the writ. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
He asks the camera to move off his property. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
The businessman tells Marc he's gone bankrupt | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
and shows him paperwork to prove it. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
This means the sheriffs won't be able to seize goods from him. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
It doesn't look like the former office manager | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
will get her money today. | 0:16:58 | 0:16:59 | |
Erm... | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
No problem. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
The businessman suggests the sheriffs visit his previous colleague, | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
who's also named on the writ. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:10 | |
I presume he's local to this area though, is he? | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
But all he knows is which county he's living in. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
He's Essex way, is he? | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
No problem. There you go, all right. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
-Bye-bye. -Take care, mate. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
Marc was right to be suspicious earlier. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
It is the guy we were after, | 0:17:27 | 0:17:28 | |
which he couldn't deny the second time he came to the door, | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
cos he had an ID round his neck with his name on it. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
-So... -I think he'd resigned to the fact that he'd been rumbled. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
Yeah, I think he'd given up | 0:17:36 | 0:17:38 | |
and realised we weren't going to go away and we wanted to speak to him, so... | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
But after all that, he's just got a bankruptcy order made against him anyway, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
so there's nothing that can be done. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
Marc and Kev will go back to the office | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
and try to find an address for the other businessman. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
In the meantime, | 0:17:53 | 0:17:54 | |
all they can do is reflect on a somewhat bizarre morning. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:58 | |
-Quite satisfied, rumbling someone for just lying. -THEY LAUGH | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
But outright. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
Kev and Lawrence's next job is at an old battleground, | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
a garage in Hayes, Middlesex, which sold the customer's car | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
but didn't pass on all the proceeds. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
On a previous visit, | 0:18:23 | 0:18:24 | |
the sheriffs removed property to pay off the debt. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
But the equipment only got as far as the van. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:31 | |
The garage owner, Mr Verdi, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
offered to pay off the £32,000 owed in instalments, | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
with £5,000 paid upfront. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
Lawrence and Kev took back the computers | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
and CCTV they'd removed and returned to base. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
But the garage owner hasn't lived up to his promise | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
of regular repayments, to pay off the £27,000 still owed. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:58 | |
So the sheriffs are taking it to the next level. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:02 | |
We're not looking for money today. Unless they happen to pay in full. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:09 | |
Erm... We're actually going to be removing goods. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
Lawrence plans to take and auction the garage's CCTV system, computers | 0:19:12 | 0:19:19 | |
and two valuable engine diagnostic kits, | 0:19:19 | 0:19:21 | |
if they haven't already been disposed of, | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
to avoid the sheriffs getting their hands on them. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
They removed one set of diagnostic equipment. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
But if they removed the second set, then they've got none there to use. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
So I don't think they'll have removed that. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
Likewise with the computer system and the CCTV system. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
They've only got a very limited computer system. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
And they've only got one CCTV system. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
So I can't see that they would have removed that, | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
because then they'll actually be without it. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
If you've got duplicates of things... | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
You know, there's always the possibility that you can hire one or two items, | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
providing you've still got one to use. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
But if you haven't got duplicates, you've only got one of anything... | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
then you have to leave it there, really. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
They've arrived at the garage. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
But there's a problem. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:14 | |
It's shut. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
The shutters are down and there doesn't seem to be anybody home. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
They've disappeared. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:27 | |
But High Court enforcement officers are legally entitled | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
to gain access to commercial properties to remove goods, | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
whether the owners are there or not. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
Do you want to just give the shutters a try? | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
I think you'll find they're electric. But they've got a handle on the front, haven't they? | 0:20:38 | 0:20:44 | |
The shutters are locked tight. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:45 | |
So Lawrence phones the number above the front door. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
Hello, is that Verdi? | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
Yeah, it's the enforcement officers. We're outside, knocking on your door, yeah? | 0:20:52 | 0:20:56 | |
Sorry? It's not Verdi's? | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
It's what? | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
Precision Engineering? | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
In Verdi's building, using Verdi's phone number? | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
No, I do need to ring anybody, | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
because we've already seized the assets that are in the premises. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
I'll... I'll... I'll be calling some locksmiths. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
If you're not going to let us in, I'll call locksmiths and forth. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
You call the police, then. If you give them CAD number 4895 | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
of the 5th of December, they'll know all about it. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
No? OK, then. Bye. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
-Not Verdi? -They're saying it's changed names to Precision Engineering. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:33 | |
That's what they were trying last time, isn't it? | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
-He said they've gone into liquidation. -They haven't though, have they? | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
I'll check. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
The man on the phone told Lawrence all the Verdi Ferrari assets | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
had been sold to a new company, so they can't be removed. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
Lawrence calls the office to get them to check the status | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
of Verdi Ferrari with Companies House. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
Are they still active? | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
Yeah? | 0:21:58 | 0:21:59 | |
Not dissolved or anything? | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
Lovely. Cheers. See you now. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
-OK? -I'm getting lost with this now. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
Erm...Verdi Ferrari isn't in liquidation. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
It's still active on Companies House. So, um... | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
..we're getting locksmiths down to gain entry. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
The office are going to sort that out now for us. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
But the locksmith might not be necessary. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
A mechanic Lawrence and Kev met on a previous visit has just arrived. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:33 | |
The garage isn't deserted after all. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
-He's one of them. -Yeah. -It's him. -Yeah, I'm sure it is. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
Lawrence and Kev watch to see if there's a secret way in. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
He'll probably go round the back and they'll let him in the fire exit. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
-There's got to be a fire exit, hasn't there? -There is. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
But we can't get it open, so... | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
There's little option | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
but to wait for the locksmith in the warmth of the van. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
Minutes later, a mechanic comes up and hands over a mobile number. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:05 | |
You all right? Who's that? | 0:23:05 | 0:23:06 | |
-The manager. -Manager? | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
What, he's the manager of this, is he? | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
I'll give him a ring. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:14 | |
Lawrence informs the Verdi manager about the plan of action. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:20 | |
We're here today to remove goods. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:21 | |
We're just waiting for the arrival of a locksmith | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
and then we'll be effecting entry into the premises | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
and removing goods we've previously seized. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
Because if those goods have been transferred to the new company, | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
they shouldn't have been. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:37 | |
No, we don't label goods. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
We left an inventory on our first visit | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
whereby all the goods listed on that inventory, | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
and anything else belonging to Verdi Ferrari Aftersales Ltd, was seized. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:50 | |
When we came on our second visit, we found that little white labels | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
with serial numbers had been stuck on, | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
well, just about anything that moved basically. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
And as I explained last time, that was irrelevant, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
because we'd already seized the goods on a previous visit. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
Items seized by sheriffs and left on site | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
cannot be disposed of in any way, | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
unless the third party proves they own them | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
within five days of them being listed. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
We have had no third party claim to any of these goods | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
from our first visit, which I believe was back in October, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
which is, you know, well over the five days. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
Now, because no third party claim has been made to those goods, | 0:24:29 | 0:24:33 | |
in accordance with RSC Order 17, we are here today to remove them. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:38 | |
And they will be removed from here and taken to auction. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
We're not being fobbed off with waiting round for hours, | 0:24:42 | 0:24:46 | |
because there's allegedly some money on its way. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
We're here today to remove goods. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
And if you'll excuse me, I'm not being rude, | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
I've got an incoming call which might be the locksmith. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
I need to take this other call. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
Hello, Mr Grix speaking. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
Missed it. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
Lawrence phones the office. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
The missed call was them confirming the locksmith is minutes away. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:10 | |
All right. I'll give the police a buzz then. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
All right. Thanks, Soph. Bye. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
Have you got one? | 0:25:16 | 0:25:17 | |
Yeah, on its way from Hayes. So not very far at all. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
Lawrence wants the police to be present | 0:25:21 | 0:25:23 | |
when the locksmith arrives, to reduce the chance of trouble. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
I think it might be advisable if some of your officers come down. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
All the units along here, all know one another, | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
and there was loads of them out there last time we attended. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
We are going to be effecting entry by force, using locksmiths. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
Lovely. Thanks very much. Bye-bye. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
Police are on their way. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
But before the police or the locksmith arrive, | 0:25:51 | 0:25:53 | |
Mr Verdi, the father of the owner of Verdi Ferrari, shows up. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:57 | |
He's also the landlord of the building. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
So what have you come here to do, sir? | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
Have you come to let us in? Save the locksmith drilling? | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
-We've called the police. They're on their way. -Police are here. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
-Hello. -Hello, mate. You all right? | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
POLICE RADIO CRACKLES | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
The police coming, and the impending arrival of the locksmith | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
appear to have done the trick. Kev is allowed in. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
We had your colleagues out, | 0:26:26 | 0:26:27 | |
we didn't call them, last time we were here. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
Right. Is it the whole property, or is it things inside? | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
What we're after is goods. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:37 | |
I'm going to wait for my colleague. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
You have to unlock that as well. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
Generally speaking, they give us the run-around when we come in. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
This is the third time. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:47 | |
It's, "Give us an hour and we'll get some money." | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
And you end up being here for hours, and nothing happens. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
So we're here today to remove. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
OK. I'm just going to have a word with them. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
-I'm going to take these with me. -Yeah, sure. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
Lawrence joins Kev in the garage. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
Now they can get on with what they came here to do. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:08 | |
Well, just take everything out. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:09 | |
-Would you like to come up? -Yeah, sure. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
But before the sheriffs start removing equipment, | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
the policeman tells them Mr Verdi wants to talk upstairs. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:18 | |
So basically...oh, see! | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
Excuse me. I've asked you before, nicely... | 0:27:20 | 0:27:24 | |
At this point, the camera operator is asked to leave the building. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
Mr Verdi tells Lawrence that a new company | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
is now his tenant in the garage, and it owns all the assets. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:36 | |
But when Lawrence checks the name of this new business | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
with Companies House, it doesn't exist. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
And Lawrence finds cash receipts in the office | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
in the name of Verdi Ferrari. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
His patience has run out. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
You've put a name on the lease that doesn't exist. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
Come on, let's get this stuff out. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
Do want to back these up before I unplug 'em all? | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
Just unplug it, Kev. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:01 | |
He's been given the chance to back it up and he hasn't. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
You can't stop us, sir. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:05 | |
You should have claimed it in accordance with RSC Order 17. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
We seized these goods months ago. Don't get in my way. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:14 | |
Don't obstruct me, or you're liable for arrest. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
Now, move out the way. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:19 | |
While Kev goes to open the van, | 0:28:22 | 0:28:24 | |
Lawrence stays on the premises to ensure they aren't locked out. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
Sheriffs can remove tools of the trade | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
essential for the running of a business, | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
if the debtor is a limited company. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
And Verdi Ferrari is just that. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
And this signed Manchester United Football Club shirt | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
certainly isn't a tool of the trade anyway. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
But the most valuable piece of equipment, | 0:28:55 | 0:28:57 | |
the £20,000 engine diagnostic kit, | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
is nowhere to be found. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
-Disappeared. -Yeah, disappeared, the diagnostic kit. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
Without a trace. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
That's twice we've had that in the van. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
Should've taken it the first time. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:12 | |
Lawrence has his own theory about the diagnostic kit's whereabouts. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:16 | |
I believe it was here this morning. The power lead's still plugged in. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
I think it's in the boot of a car somewhere. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
I've searched all over the place, and I can't find it. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:27 | |
Without the diagnostic kit, the property removed today | 0:29:27 | 0:29:31 | |
may not raise the £27,000 required to clear the debt. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:35 | |
So Lawrence notes the details of cars | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
that could be removed at a later date, | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
if they're owned by Verdi Ferrari. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
Cars on the forecourt listed. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
Everything of value removed. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
Job done. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:53 | |
The garage owner has five days to pay up what he owes, | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
or establish the removed property doesn't belong to him. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
If he doesn't pay up, | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
or the equipment doesn't raise enough money at auction, | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
the sheriffs will be back. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
We don't give up. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:11 | |
If they manage to prove that Verdi Ferrari Aftersales | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
don't own anything, or if they do go into liquidation, | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
which is what we were told today, although it hasn't happened yet, | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
then obviously we can't reinforce against a liquidated company. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:25 | |
But who knows! Erm... | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
We won't be giving up, so if we don't get the proof, we'll be back again. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:32 | |
And we'll keep at it until we get some kind of outcome. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:34 | |
Lawrence and Kev head off. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
But minutes later, | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
they get a phone call from a solicitor acting for Verdi Ferrari. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
He's just informed me that he's managed to get | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
an order from the court for return of the goods. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
Obviously we'll comply if there is an order. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
But I'll wait until we've got a copy of it in our office. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
We won't just take his word for it over the phone. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:59 | |
But people can go to court and get a stay. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
And judges will allow a stay on occasion, | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
just in case there's been some kind of impropriety | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
or, you know, a potential miscarriage of justice. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:13 | |
They will always grant a stay until such time as you get a hearing. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:19 | |
And if we're ordered by the court to return the goods, | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
then obviously we'll comply with that. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
So the saga of Verdi Ferrari takes another twist | 0:31:24 | 0:31:28 | |
and the sheriffs may be revisiting the garage again | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
to take the property back. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
Lawrence and Kev return to base. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
It's 6.30am. And while they wait for news about Verdi Ferrari, | 0:31:44 | 0:31:49 | |
Lawrence and Kev have been allocated another job. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:53 | |
They've got a long drive ahead, so they're passing the time | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
by having a heated debate about a subject of great importance. | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
Who do you think would win out of a fight between pate and soup? | 0:32:00 | 0:32:05 | |
I would say soup. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
The pate would become dissolved and just become part of soup. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:11 | |
No, it's not if they're mixed together. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
It's which one's sort of harder, you know? | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
Pate's got to be harder than soup. Has to be. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
It depends if the soup's got croutons, they're quite hard. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
-Ah, see! Now you're changing the dynamics of the soup! -Ha-ha! | 0:32:27 | 0:32:30 | |
-Pate's a bit namby-pamby. -No way! | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
It's a bit of a namby-pamby thing to eat. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
"I'm having some pate on toast." | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
You're kidding, in't ya? | 0:32:39 | 0:32:40 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:32:40 | 0:32:41 | |
The soup versus pate debate will have to be resolved some other time. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:46 | |
Lawrence and Kev are nearing their destination. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:51 | |
The director of a recruitment firm owes a former colleague £6,000. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:56 | |
So the former colleague got a High Court writ for the cash. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
The sheriffs are on their way to execute it. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
But they're struggling to find the director's house. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
The address on the writ is a house name, rather than a number. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:08 | |
This is the argument against having names on houses. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
It's saying we're about here. It's that one. Good man. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
Lawrence has spotted a car in the drive | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
he may be able to remove to clear the debt. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
Only one vehicle in there. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
Spin it round, Kev, and we'll block the gates. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
The house the sheriffs are visiting this morning | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
is in a more prosperous area than they're used to on their travels. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:36 | |
-Nice old road, though, isn't it? -Nice. This whole area's nice. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:40 | |
The director lives here. That's what's on Companies House. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
And there is a, I think it is the secretary, | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
is a holding company which is also... | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
Do you want to jump out? I'll pull it up. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
Now they've found the company director's house, | 0:33:53 | 0:33:55 | |
Lawrence and Kev can start the process of executing the writ. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:59 | |
Stage one, formally posting it to the director. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
Stage two, seeing him face to face and getting him to pay up. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:13 | |
Lawrence tries to guess the code for the gate. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
GATE BEEPS | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
Oh, well. Worth a try. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:25 | |
There are 1,000 possible combinations for three digits, 0-9. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:29 | |
So Lawrence goes for a more straightforward approach. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:33 | |
INTERCOM RINGS | 0:34:33 | 0:34:35 | |
That's a nice alarming noise, isn't it? | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
There's only one car there. It's only a Golf. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:43 | |
Only a Yaris, sorry. Unless the other car's in the garage. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
But you've got a wheelie bin in front of one of them. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
The car's in front of the other one. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:51 | |
-Do you want to try the door? -Yeah, we might have to. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
-Lawrence'll climb over the gate! -THEY LAUGH | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
GATE BEEPS Ah! There is a light on. | 0:34:56 | 0:35:00 | |
Someone's faintly visible through the bedroom window. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:04 | |
Would you like to speak on the intercom? | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
He's potentially phoning somebody, texting someone, or something. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
Oh, there's a lady now. Just bobbed her head up. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:17 | |
Sort of peered over the windowsill and dropped back down again. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
She must have crawled to the window on her hands and knees, I'd think. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:24 | |
Most people who've got an outstanding debt | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
when they get a knock at this time in the morning | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
will have an idea of what it's about. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
Morning, sir. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:35 | |
-I'll show you some ID. -Did you ring? | 0:35:35 | 0:35:37 | |
We did, yeah. Buzz, buzz, buzz, on the thing. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
-Didn't ring. -My name's Mr Grix. I'm an enforcement officer. -Yeah. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:44 | |
I'm here today to execute a High Court writ | 0:35:44 | 0:35:46 | |
against G2 Human LLP. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:48 | |
-We've got an outstanding debt of £7,046.07. -Right. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:53 | |
We're here today to execute this writ, | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
which is basically seizing goods of the debtor company. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
-The company has no assets at all. -It's got no assets here? | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
It has none, and it certainly hasn't got any here. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:06 | |
This is the registered address of the company. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
It is. But it's just a registered address. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
-It's not active, and it's not here. -It's not active? | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
It's not active, and it's not here, no. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:16 | |
So, when did it cease to be active? | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
Well, it's active as a company but it's not trading. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
It has no assets, it has no money. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:23 | |
It's got a bank account with £3.50 in it. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:27 | |
Are you able to show me some evidence of that? | 0:36:27 | 0:36:29 | |
Have you got a copy of the bank statement with that on it? | 0:36:29 | 0:36:34 | |
I can quickly get you one, but I'm not going to open the gates. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:39 | |
-You not going to what? -Open my gates. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
If you could get me that bank statement, then. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
Unlike with commercial properties, | 0:36:46 | 0:36:48 | |
sheriffs can't break into a residence to remove goods | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
to clear the debt. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:53 | |
They can walk through an open door, | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
but there's usually less business-owned property to seize | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
in a company director's home anyway. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:00 | |
You might find a company vehicle, | 0:37:00 | 0:37:02 | |
because, you know, a lot of directors would still take a company vehicle | 0:37:02 | 0:37:08 | |
rather than pay for it themselves. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:10 | |
And you may find a home office. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
If it's, you know, a fairly small company. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
This is a lovely house, there's obviously money. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
Whether it's come from this company or not, we've no way of telling. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:23 | |
But, you know, if there's a home office in there, | 0:37:23 | 0:37:27 | |
we can climb over the gates. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
We can't force entry into a residential property. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
We can't force entry into the garages because they're attached. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
So we've got no way of getting into that house to establish | 0:37:36 | 0:37:40 | |
if there's a home office in there. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:41 | |
Kev thinks he could have sneaked into the house earlier | 0:37:41 | 0:37:45 | |
to see if there is anything worth asset stripping. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
Could have got in while he was nattering. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
Leaves the door open, doesn't he? | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
-Huh? -Leaves the door open. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
Yeah, but by the time you climbed over the fence, | 0:37:57 | 0:37:59 | |
he could have run back there quite easily. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
-Is that a challenge? -THEY LAUGH | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
It's Challenge Kev! | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
It's surprising what sheriffs are legally allowed to do | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
at debtors' homes. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:14 | |
If somebody goes in and leaves the front door open, we can walk in. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:18 | |
You can turn the door handle, and if the door opens, you can go in. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:23 | |
-We can climb through open windows. -We can go over these gates. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:27 | |
There you go. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:33 | |
-Right, OK. -That's all there is, I'm afraid! | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
Despite the bank statement backing up what the director said about his company having no money, | 0:38:40 | 0:38:45 | |
Lawrence isn't giving up on his search for assets to be seized. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:49 | |
Obviously now we will have to do a search | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
and see if there are any commercial premises. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
We can affect an entry into a commercial premises. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:59 | |
We can't here. It's your residence. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:00 | |
An Englishman's home is still his castle. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
So we won't be forcing entry. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:04 | |
Shouldn't put, um, shouldn't put my house down | 0:39:04 | 0:39:08 | |
as a registered address on businesses that were... | 0:39:08 | 0:39:12 | |
..It really is, it's a dormant company. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
It does nothing. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:16 | |
But even dormant companies have property | 0:39:16 | 0:39:18 | |
that can be auctioned to pay debts. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:20 | |
The company director says the car in the drive | 0:39:20 | 0:39:23 | |
belongs to him and his wife, not the business. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
But Lawrence isn't taking his word for it. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
I've seized the car on paper anyway. We'll do our checks on it. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
If it turns out it's registered to you or your wife personally, | 0:39:33 | 0:39:37 | |
then obviously... But we can't take your word for it, sir. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
That could be a company vehicle. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:42 | |
That'd be nice. If the company had an asset. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
And on that note, the sheriffs make their farewells. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:49 | |
OK. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:50 | |
This time, Lawrence and Kev leave empty-handed. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
If a company hasn't got any assets at all, | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
the director can't be forced to pay anything. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:03 | |
Why didn't he contest it, then? | 0:40:03 | 0:40:05 | |
-Have I got my lights on? -Oh, dear. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:10 | |
The man at the gate says he has no liability towards the complainant. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:17 | |
He says the company the High Court enforcement officers were looking for | 0:40:17 | 0:40:22 | |
has never operated from his home. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
It's a month since Kev and Marc's wild-goose chase around Winchester, | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
on behalf of the unpaid office worker. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
They're still trying to find an address for the other businessman. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
If they can track him down in Essex, they'll soon be paying him a visit. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:45 | |
The High Court found against Verdi Ferrari. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:49 | |
Lawrence and Kev didn't have to take any of the property back. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
Thanks to the sheriffs, some of the outstanding debt's been paid. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:56 | |
And the customer whose car the garage sold but didn't pay is happy. | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
Verdi Ferrari is now in liquidation. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
It's now two months since Lawrence and Kev | 0:41:03 | 0:41:05 | |
gave the businessman an early morning wake-up call. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
It's been established that he works from a home office | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
in the garage which is attached to the house. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
This means the sheriffs can't force entry to remove assets. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
So they've now closed the case. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
And in Lewisham, the Steadmans have now officially received the money | 0:41:22 | 0:41:26 | |
owed by APCOA parking, thanks to the sterling efforts of the sheriffs. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:31 | |
As soon as the cheque cleared, | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
within the same week all the debts got cleared. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
For the first time in over a decade, Karen is debt free. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:41 | |
It was such a relief. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:44 | |
I feel like my grey hairs can just take a break now. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
If you did three months' work, you'd expect to be paid for it. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
But in Yasmine Chatur's case, | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
12 weeks' work at a pharmacy earned her nothing. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
I'm just small fry. But I have earned this money. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:08 | |
Lawrence takes on a lawyer in pursuit of Yasmine's cash. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
I'm asking you for the third time, what's your boss's name? | 0:42:12 | 0:42:16 | |
-Just phone the office. -What's his name? -Phone the office. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
The sheriffs get given the cold shoulder, | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
when they chase up a debt in Derbyshire. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
We're putting your phone through the cat flap. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
And the sheriffs are back on the trail of the builder | 0:42:28 | 0:42:32 | |
who took an 86 year-old for over £4,000 | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
of shoddy and unnecessary roofing work. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
Don't let him escape. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
Get him by the tail or anything! | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
Hopefully there won't be no trouble. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
And if we need the police, we'll give them a call. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
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