Episode 8 The Sheriffs Are Coming


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What do you do if you're ripped off and don't know where to turn?

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I told him all the faults. He rejected them.

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A court of law backs you, but you still don't get your money?

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Little did I know how long it would take to try and recover the money from him... Sorry.

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It's time to call the sheriffs.

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We have every right to enter the premises by force if necessary. We will be entering that building.

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Sheriffs are High Court enforcement officers who recover what a court judgment says is owed.

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The writ orders us to come here and seize goods to the value of this debt.

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They're the experts in getting cash that is rightfully yours.

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£1,323.

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But fighting for the underdog isn't a job for the faint-hearted.

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I'll put it through your windscreen!

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-Debtors aren't pleased to see them...

-They're harassing me.

-..because they hate paying up.

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-Are you happy for me to leave you some paperwork?

-No. Go away!

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In today's programme, former office manager Shelley Summers was sacked by text.

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She won a tribunal but never got the compensation.

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At one point, I had everything, then I was left with nothing.

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Can the sheriffs put that right?

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Steve Knock had always dreamed of buying a boat,

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but when he finally got one, it became a nautical nightmare.

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He took the company which sold him the faulty vessel to court and got an out-of-court settlement,

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but he still hasn't got his money.

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The sheriffs try to pay them a visit.

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Every asset on these premises is now seized.

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And this garage sold a car for a customer but didn't give him the cash they got for it.

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The sheriffs go to the garage to get the customer what he's owed, but they get a frosty reception.

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If you try to shut me in here by pulling the shutter down, that's an arrestable offence. I'm warning you.

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Shelley Summers is an office manager who lives in Bournemouth.

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Shelley had a traumatic experience when employed at a building firm near Manchester.

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Now she needs the help of the sheriffs.

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I started working for MJ McCaul in 2005

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where I was basically an office manager.

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I helped run the business, mainly office work,

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went to the site now and again, paid the wages for the lads. Yeah, I did enjoy working there.

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But in July 2010, the firm moved to bigger offices,

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and the atmosphere at work changed for the worse.

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One day, there was a row that was absolutely unbelievable.

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There was swearing. I thought that someone was going to get hurt.

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I really did think there was going to be some kind of fight or something.

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At the time, I was on the phone, speaking to a client. He was asking me what was going on.

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I said, "I'm sorry, I'll ring you back." I didn't feel professional with running the business.

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Shelley mentioned to her boss she was uncomfortable with the shouting

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and asked if she could work from home for the afternoon.

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He said, "If you leave the office, you don't come back."

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I'd worked there for five years, and he'd never spoken like that before.

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I was always treated quite fairly. He's never said anything like that before.

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So by this stage, I was very upset. I was extremely upset.

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And in the end, he just went out the office.

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Shelley was so distressed by what had happened, she went to see her doctor.

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She was put on sick leave for a week and went home.

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Soon after she got there, Shelley received a message from her boss.

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I got a text later on, saying that I had been suspended

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and I shouldn't have left the office without his authority.

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He was going to come and take the company car away at 12 noon the next day.

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I was devastated, absolutely devastated.

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I couldn't believe that I'd worked there for so long and I was treated so bad,

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knowing I was at home with nobody.

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I had no other source of income, no car. I was left with nothing.

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A week later, the boss texted Shelley, telling her to call him straightaway.

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I was about to give him a ring, then I get the text.

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"You are now sacked for gross misconduct. You had your chance and blew it."

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The shock made Shelley ill.

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It's just the stress of basically having no money coming in,

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no car. At one point, I seemed to have everything, then the next, I was left with nothing.

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Shelley decided to fight back.

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I really felt, "This is wrong,"

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so I went to my local Citizens Advice Bureau who were shocked,

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they couldn't believe what had happened also.

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They were basically trying to help me, so they found me a legal aid representative.

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With their help, Shelley went to an employment tribunal which decided she had been unfairly dismissed.

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I was awarded £11,650, approximately.

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I've been paid nothing.

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It's now a year on, and Shelley's tried everything to get her money.

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She's at the end of her tether, but the law allows her to do one last thing -

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apply for a High Court writ.

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Shelley got one, and now a sheriff is going to enforce it.

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High Court enforcement officer Pete Spencer is on his way to where Shelley used to work,

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his aim - to track down her former boss Martin McCaul and get him to pay what he owes.

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Every place is different, really. You get very different reactions from various different people.

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He'll obviously know of the tribunal case that's been set against him and he'll know he's lost that case.

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He won't be aware of our visit today until we knock on the door.

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The High Court enforcement officers, who are also known as sheriffs,

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do a job that goes back to Saxon times.

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They don't need to forewarn people about their visit.

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The element of surprise can prove useful when tracking down debtors.

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Sheriffs are legally allowed to walk straight into commercial premises on behalf of people owed money.

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Before he starts removing goods, Pete wants to find Shelley's former boss

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and give him the opportunity to pay her what the tribunal awarded.

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-KNOCKS ON DOOR

-Hello?

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-Hiya. Good morning. Mr McCaul of McCaul Building Contractors?

-That's it here.

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Enforcement officer from the High Court. It's regarding an employment tribunal matter.

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-Would it be yourself I need to speak to?

-Let me see if anyone's around.

-Cheers. Thank you.

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-Where were you from?

-I'm an enforcement officer working on behalf of the High Court.

-Right.

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It doesn't take long for Mr McCaul to appear, but he isn't keen on being filmed.

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-No, no, no, I'm not having any filming.

-That's all right. I'll step outside.

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Pete starts his negotiations on behalf of Shelley.

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Mr McCaul tells Pete his business is being wound up

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and all the assets transferred to another company.

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However, Pete points out this transfer isn't listed with Companies House,

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and that's against the rules.

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Mr McCaul agrees to make an initial payment of £5,000 to Shelley with more to come.

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It's not the whole amount, but without Pete, Shelley wouldn't be getting anything.

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Unfortunately, most of the assets that were at the premises were no longer there

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and they've been transferred to another company, but he was also a director of it.

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He did decide in the end to make an initial payment of £5,000, which he has done by bank transfer.

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Then he's emailing in, once he seeks legal advice, to pay the remainder over a monthly period,

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to resolve it, but he's doing that personally, rather than through the company, as it has no assets.

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Shelley is pleased that she enlisted the help of the sheriffs.

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I've worked for big companies and I know what goes on.

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Things are always correct, the way they do things.

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So I don't feel that they should get away with it, even though they're a small company.

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It's too easy. People say, "A small company might not be making the same money." That's not the point.

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This needs to be sorted out for the future.

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It's happened to me, and if this help to stop it happening to someone else, that's why I've done this.

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David Carter is joint managing director of this High Court Enforcement Office in London.

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The recovery rates of the High Court enforcement officer are far greater than that of a County Court bailiff.

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We're paid on results, we're not salaried and we have greater powers than the County Court bailiff

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in terms of seizure and forcing entry to various types of premises.

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A High Court writ costs £60.

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If the sheriffs are successful in settling the debt,

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there is nothing more to pay, because the debtor foots the bill.

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£1,323.

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If the sheriffs don't get the cash owed to their client, there can be an admin fee to pay, also £60.

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-Why are you here?

-The money is still owed.

-What are you here for?

-To collect the money.

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Every month, this Enforcement Office helps over 1,000 people who are owed money,

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and another case has just been added to the list.

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High Court enforcement officers Lawrence Grix and Kev McNally are on their way to a garage in Middlesex.

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The garage advertised a car for a member of the public for £27,995.

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The car was sold, but the customer never got his money.

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After trying everything to get his cash, the car owner went to the High Court and got a writ

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for the money he is owed.

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Now the sheriffs are about to enforce it.

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They visited the garage before, but the boss went to court

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to get a stay to delay them removing goods to cover the debt.

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We won't be taking our time with this one, because he managed to get the stay last time,

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so we'll be going in demanding full payment. If he doesn't pay in full, we'll be removing the Ferraris.

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It's not just cars that the sheriffs are after today.

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There are computers at the garage and two Ferrari diagnostic kits worth £40,000.

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As High Court enforcement officers, they're entitled to pick them up and walk straight out with them,

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but the owner might not take too kindly to that.

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Once we'd left and the stay was in place, he phoned me up and was quite threatening over the phone,

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so we'll see just how threatening he is when we turn up.

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The sheriffs have yet to meet garage landlord Mr Birdi or his son Mr Verdi,

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the owner of the business, face to face.

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They don't even know what they look like.

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Is Mr Verdi here at all?

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Is Mr Verdi here at all?

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I'm asking you, "Is he here at all?"

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Is somebody able to get him on the phone at all?

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Is he upstairs?

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Is he in the office?

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The paperwork the sheriffs left after their first visit made it clear

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none of the assets could be removed by the owner while proceedings were in progress.

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That's one of the first things they'll be checking today.

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How are you doing?

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I think we can safely say that's not Mr Verdi.

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I'm a High Court enforcement officer.

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OK, I was here before.

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We've got a High Court writ to seize goods on the premises.

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-Right.

-To cover a debt, basically.

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Mr Verdi managed to get a stay last time.

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That's now been overturned, so we're here today to complete the execution of the writ.

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The guy who was trying to get him on the phone has walked off, so we'll start removing goods now.

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Those computers need to be backed up. If you've got any sensitive data on them, you need to delete it,

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because we'll unplug those and remove those within the next five or ten minutes.

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While the receptionist backs up the computers,

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Lawrence goes on the hunt for the two valuable Ferrari diagnostic kits he spotted last time.

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When it comes to commercial properties, High Court enforcement officers have access all areas.

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They can break through doors if necessary.

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Lawrence has found one of the kits, but has the garage boss sold it to prevent it being removed?

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-That's the one we want.

-It doesn't belong to us.

-Who does it belong to?

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-Another company.

-What other company is that?

-Read it.

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What I have noticed going round is a lot of stuff has now got stickers with "asset tag" on,

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so it looks like he might have attempted to defeat distress

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by basically borrowing money against those assets.

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It could be just a nominal amount, so that some other company can try and claim title to them.

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It doesn't affect us, because they were already seized.

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Anything that was seized previously, which was the entire contents of the workshop,

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can't then be passed on to an asset finance company.

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Go and get that diagnostic stuff off there, mate.

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I don't care what asset tag they've put on it. It wasn't on there last time.

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We've seized it last time, so we'll take it.

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We'll try and find the other one.

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While Kev confiscates the £20,000 diagnostic kit,

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Lawrence checks outside for any cars that can be removed.

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There doesn't seem to be any of the cars here that were here last time.

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That's not unexpected, because they were, we believe, customers' cars being worked on.

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It's not surprising.

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Lawrence spots something suspicious going on in the garage.

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I have to tell you, mate, if you try and shut me in here by pulling the shutter down,

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that's an arrestable offence.

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The shutter's come down over there.

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The shutter move may be a warning shot.

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Lawrence and Kev need to act fast.

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The sheriffs have been told the garage owner is on his way.

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Is he coming to settle his debt to the disgruntled customer or to try and stop them removing his property?

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High Court enforcement officers can't take tools of the trade,

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equipment necessary for the running of the business,

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but this rule only applies if the equipment is only used by the owner.

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These computers are also used by his colleagues.

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I'll dig out the power lead for the...

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-for the other tower unit.

-What's this?

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That's ready to go. The printer's ready to go. There's a power lead there for the printer.

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The new arrival seems to know the place. It could be the elusive owner.

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No-one seems to be keen to tell us who they are or who they represent,

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so we'll let them crack on until someone claims to be him.

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We'll see.

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Lawrence and Kev can't take any risks.

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If it is the owner, he may try to lock them out.

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We're leaving one of us on the premises at all times.

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We can effect re-entry, but if they were to pull the shutters down and lock them,

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it's added time and aggravation, and we don't need it.

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-Are you just taking what you think is to that value?

-We have to have a fair estimate, yeah.

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But this should have been dealt with when we were here last time.

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You know? We've got to take decisive action.

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Lawrence can't prove any of the vehicles on site belong to the garage owner,

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so he's going to remove the posts which hoist the cars into the air for maintenance work.

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Can you get a wheel on that Ferrari there, so it can be pushed off when the specialists take the lift away?

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Next, the CCTV system is stripped out.

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Grab that monitor, mate. I've got the control unit.

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-Have you got the light bit?

-I've got the bit I can carry in one hand with my briefcase in the other.

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The removal of the kit has clearly upped the ante.

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Another man who refuses to identify himself wants to make a deal to stop the removal,

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but it may just be a stalling manoeuvre while the owner tries to get another stay from the court.

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If you get me 17 grand in the next half hour, I'll put the trucks on hold for half an hour.

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-A bit more than half an hour.

-The maximum is an hour, purely because of what happened last time.

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Is it a genuine offer or a delaying tactic? Lawrence will find out soon.

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It's Pete's last job of the day in Bingley, Yorkshire.

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All he knows about the case is it's about a man who owes over £13,000.

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No idea what it's about. There's no case notes to give me any background information.

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So we'll give it a knock and see if the defendant's there.

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DOORBELL RINGS

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-Hi. Is there a Mr...

-BLEEP

-?

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-No.

-No? Do you know of that name or...?

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Can I ask what's going on?

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Yeah, I'm an enforcement officer enforcing a High Court writ at this address.

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-You don't know who that is?

-They've got my address?

-It's gone through court at this address.

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Sometimes High Court enforcement officers chase the wrong lead,

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and it costs them valuable time and money,

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but of the 70,000-plus writs they deal with every year, they collect over 65 pence for every pound owed.

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Obviously, it's not you. And you've no idea who this person is at all?

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-No, I've no idea at all.

-OK.

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Because the address on this writ is incorrect,

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an innocent member of the public has become unwittingly involved.

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-It's quite concerning that somebody has used your address.

-Yes.

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We'll do a re-trace on the defendant name and hopefully get a trace address somewhere else maybe.

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-If anything comes to light, the office number and my number is on there to contact us.

-I will.

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Pete gives the house owner some important advice.

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You might just want to report it to the police that somebody might have used your address fraudulently,

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so they're aware of it, just in case you get any other items cropping up that you're not aware of.

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-OK.

-I'll do that.

-Thank you.

-Thank you very much.

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Sorry that I can't be of more help.

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Pete will check the name on the writ against a national database and the electoral roll.

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Hopefully, that will help him track down his man.

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Back at the garage in Hayes, Lawrence and Kev are still waiting for the money they were promised.

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The £17,000 isn't the full amount owed to the owner of the car the garage sold, but it is a start.

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A man who won't reveal his identity approaches Lawrence.

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-Have you got the writ there?

-I have.

-Can I see that, please?

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No, sir, you can't, because you're not my defendant. You're not Mr Verdi.

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If you show me some ID showing me you're Mr Verdi... You keep saying you are and then you're not.

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If you show me some ID showing me you're Mr Verdi, then I'll show you my writ.

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And what does the writ let you do?

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Come here and seize goods to the value of the debt.

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Just when it looks like Lawrence is getting nowhere,

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he is approached by the man who offered £17,000 to stop the removal of goods.

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He's going to get his aunt to come down and pay on a credit card.

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So, um, we shall see.

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-How far away is your aunt?

-About 20 minutes.

-That means nothing to me, I'm afraid.

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The police will throw you out. The police are coming here to throw these guys out.

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Confusion reigns.

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Is the aunt coming or the police?

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Soon the question is answered.

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-Hi. Who called us?

-No idea. I'll show you some ID.

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-Enforcement officers.

-Cool.

-Here to enforce a High Court writ.

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-On this premise here?

-Yeah.

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We seized goods about three months ago, and they got an emergency stay.

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The judge threw it out when he actually got a hearing.

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There was no grounds for dispute whatsoever.

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Now the police have arrived, the elusive landlord Mr Birdi suddenly appears out of nowhere.

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Hello, mate. All right? Sorry, who are you?

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-I own the property.

-All right. We'll come and have a chat in a sec.

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-Is that Mr Birdi?

-I believe it might be.

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I believe that might have just been our defendant.

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That's the first time he's acknowledged who he is.

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So that's the elusive Mr Birdi.

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He was actually the first person Lawrence saw when he arrived.

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Mr Birdi wants a private chat with the policemen upstairs.

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20 minutes later, the police officer reappears.

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-He reports back on Mr Birdi's side of the story.

-He says this company went into liquidation two days ago.

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No, what they've done is write to a liquidator.

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Yeah. It's still got the name on there. They're saying it's trading in a different name.

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You've got the correct paperwork to say you can take the goods. And that is basically it.

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-Have we got the name of the chap we're after?

-Verdi Ferrari Aftersales Ltd. He's a director,

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but we're not after his personal assets. It's assets of the company, which is here.

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-And whether it's in liquidation or not...

-It's not in liquidation.

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If it was actually properly in liquidation, we couldn't take the assets.

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They become in the custody of the liquidator.

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-They've failed to give me anything.

-The lady on the phone said, "They wrote to us two days ago

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"and asked us to act for them. We've had no paperwork."

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-We're going to take the stuff we've got now.

-Yeah.

-I've got to give him this paperwork. He's got to sign.

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Right. I'll ask him down, then.

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Lawrence isn't surprised by the delaying tactics.

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A lot of the time, it's a war of attrition.

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Which we usually win.

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-Mr Birdi doesn't want to come and talk in front of the cameras. Would you come upstairs?

-Sure.

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-We'll give him a receipt.

-Not a receipt, but effectively.

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-No problem.

-Without the cameras.

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The sheriffs seem to be making progress. Soon after Lawrence gets upstairs, Mr Birdi's wife appears

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and pays £5,000 by credit card.

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I'll do you a receipt in a sec. Just got to do the balance.

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And the Birdis offer to organise scheduled repayments to cover the outstanding debt.

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Lawrence is satisfied with this arrangement and returns the removed goods.

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Thanks to the sheriffs, the owner of the car the garage sold

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will now get a good chunk of the money he's owed, with more to come.

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They're offering £5,000 a month to clear it off.

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Providing they stick to that, that's quite reasonable.

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As it transpires, there aren't the assets there. The cars do belong to customers,

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so there's no real leverage there to get any more money.

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So we've handed the goods back. They can't function without them.

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While, generally speaking, if our actions cause a business to close,

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but we've cleared the debt, then that's not an issue.

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A limited company, there's no protection. All their assets are liable to be seized and sold.

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But if we're not going to clear a debt, only a fraction of it,

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there's little point in removing the assets and preventing them trading.

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So they can carry on trading and meet the payment arrangement

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if it's accepted by the client.

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But if it isn't accepted, or the owners don't meet the repayments,

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the sheriffs will be back.

0:26:220:26:25

Steve Knock's another unlucky member of the public who needs the help of the High Court Enforcement Office.

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Steve was an aircraft engineer until an accident ended his career.

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In 2004,

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I had an accident, and, unfortunately, it left me with what they call nerve root impingement,

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which is basically down my left arm and in my left hand, I can't feel properly.

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I haven't any real sensation. Also my right leg.

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As a result of his injuries, Steve lost his job.

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-He started to rethink his approach to life.

-That was when really we appreciated your health,

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and life is a lot more important.

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One of the things we had always dreamed of, because we live close to the River Thames,

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was to have a boat and use that to trundle up and down the Thames when it was nice.

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Steve and his wife bought this luxury cruiser from Regency Marine Ltd, trading as Gibbs Marine,

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in Shepperton. The price - £62,000.

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It had always been a lifetime ambition.

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The dream, if you know what I mean. Dreaming about having a boat

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and, initially, seeing people go past, especially in the summer,

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going down the Thames on the boat, pulling up at a little pub and having a pub lunch,

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that seems such a nice thing to be able to do.

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I'd always dreamed about having a boat but could never justify

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the expense of having one.

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When I had the accident, you know, justifying buying a boat realistically went out the window,

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because you realise that money isn't the be all and end all,

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and it's about enjoying your life, enjoying what you've got.

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But Steve's dream became a nautical nightmare.

0:28:280:28:32

The boat looked great, but he says it turned out to be a disaster.

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Looks can be deceiving. Certainly with my experience of this boat,

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-it was the biggest pile of junk going.

-Steve had problems from day one.

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There was probably about 20 or 30 defects on the boat.

0:28:500:28:57

One of the faults was particularly concerning.

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Steve was worried about the risk of carbon monoxide poisoning.

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The exhaust fumes were getting into the cabin area and sleeping area.

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So much so that it was setting off the carbon monoxide alarms.

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To add insult to potential injury, as soon as it rained, it became apparent that the front cabin

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-had a leaky roof.

-It just leaked like a sieve!

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After about 5 minutes of it raining, you might as well be stood outside.

0:29:280:29:33

Steve asked for a meeting with the owner of Regency Marine to insist he fix the problems

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or give him his money back.

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The meeting basically broke down. He still had no intentions of repairing, and so on and so forth,

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so as I left his office, which is upstairs,

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as I walked down the office steps and out of the actual showroom,

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he shouted down to me, "OK, Steve, let's have fun in court, then!"

0:29:570:30:01

Steve didn't have fun.

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His legal costs were £35,000, but he did get an out of court settlement with Regency Marine.

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However, Regency Marine failed to pay Steve what he was owed.

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In fact, a year on, they still haven't paid a penny.

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Steve had little option. He transferred the claim to the High Court and got a writ against them.

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And now sheriffs Kev and Lawrence are on their way to enforce it at the showroom in Shepperton.

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They've got a debt, as it stands at the moment, of just over £57,000.

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Boats sell for lots of money, so they should have sufficient assets.

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Hopefully, they'll realise that and pay, or if not and we do have to remove,

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there will be sufficient stuff there to cover the debt.

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The first job will be to check if Regency Marine is still trading

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and if these boats belong to the company and can be removed.

0:31:020:31:06

-Hello.

-Hello.

-Regency Marine Ltd, trading as Gibbs Marine Sales?

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I'll show you my ID, sir. I'm an enforcement officer.

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I'm here to enforce a High Court writ against Regency Marine Ltd

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on behalf of Stephen Knock and Andrea Knock.

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I'm here today to collect £57,078.06.

0:31:230:31:28

Right.

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That needs to be paid, sir, or we'll seize goods to cover it.

0:31:300:31:34

Lawrence needs to find out if he's talking to the Regency Marine man named in the writ.

0:31:340:31:40

-Mr Shields? Is that you?

-No. I'm Mr Pearcey. A different company.

0:31:400:31:44

Oh, all right.

0:31:440:31:47

Mr Pearcey tells Lawrence that the debtor company, Regency Marine, trading as Gibbs Marine,

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is no longer in business.

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And none of these boats belong to it. Instead, he says they belong to Gibbs Boat Sales.

0:31:550:32:02

Any idea why then, sir, this has got Gibbs Marine Sales on it? If it's Gibbs Boat Sales?

0:32:020:32:08

-It's all Gibbs, but these are Gibbs Boat Sales.

-I definitely need to see proof.

0:32:080:32:14

Everything here says Gibbs Marine Sales, so I will be seizing them.

0:32:140:32:20

Lawrence could remove and auction this boat to help settle the Steve Knock case.

0:32:210:32:27

It's down to Mr Pearcey to prove his company owns it, not Regency Marine.

0:32:270:32:32

While they wait for his accountant to fax the ownership documents,

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Mr Pearcey takes Lawrence to see the boat at the centre of the dispute.

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-This is Mr Knock's boat, which has sat here...

-If it's Mr Knock's boat, we can't touch it.

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-We can only remove...

-Have that one.

-We can only remove the defendant's goods to pay the debt.

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If there's a dispute over this and it's Mr Knock's boat and he's been awarded money on top,

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then if this is Mr Knock's boat, we can't remove it

0:33:030:33:08

to clear Regency Marine's debt. It's not their boat.

0:33:080:33:12

-What the SP is is that we're selling this on behalf of Mr Knock.

-Yeah.

-To clear the debt.

0:33:120:33:17

But it seems like he doesn't want to wait for the money. We've had the boat up for sale for 5-6 months.

0:33:170:33:23

It hasn't sold, because boats aren't selling fantastically.

0:33:230:33:27

-So you're selling HIS boat to clear Regency Marine's debt?

-No.

0:33:270:33:31

-To clear a debt to Mr Knock. The proceeds will go to Mr Knock.

-But that's Mr Knock's boat.

-Yeah.

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In other words, we're selling it so we can pay Mr Knock £50,000 or whatever it is.

0:33:370:33:43

-What do you owe him the £50,000 for? For not selling his boat?

-Yeah.

0:33:430:33:48

In the out of court settlement, Regency Marine did agree to sell the boat so he got his money back.

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Lawrence goes back inside to make completely sure Regency Marine isn't selling boats

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-under its previous trading name, Gibbs Marine.

-PHONE RINGS

0:34:010:34:08

Gibbs Marine. Good morning.

0:34:080:34:10

Gibbs Marine.

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I'm afraid he's not here at the moment...

0:34:130:34:16

I don't know off the top of my head. Can I take your number?

0:34:240:34:28

-Answering the phone "Gibbs Marine".

-Some paperwork's been faxed to Mr Pearcey.

0:34:280:34:34

Does it prove the boats don't belong to the company that sold Steve Knock his boat and can't be seized today?

0:34:340:34:41

I just find it very strange that you answered the phone, "Gibbs Marine".

0:34:410:34:45

-Yeah, we always do.

-But you're not Gibbs Marine.

-Gibbs Marine's been here since 1987.

0:34:450:34:51

-Yeah.

-So just to keep it all running...

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Let me have a look at this paperwork.

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The paperwork doesn't include bank account transactions confirming the boats were sold to Mr Pearcey.

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Lawrence isn't convinced.

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There appears to be some doubt over the ownership of most of the vessels here,

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so I'm going to list down every boat in here and you'll have five days...

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If your company's claiming to be the owner, you'll have five days to submit paperwork.

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If, for example, the boat outside has a lien on it from a bank,

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the bank will have five days.

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You can see where I'm coming from? Every asset of the defendant company on these premises is now seized

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and no longer belongs to the debtor company.

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I do have to tell you, because this is commercial premises,

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if we deem it necessary, we can effect an entry using locksmiths or any other means.

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Now it's down to Mr Pearcey to prove the boats belong to his company and not Regency Marine.

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They have five days now to do a third-party claim to those goods

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and submit proof to us that they actually own those boats. It's a bit of a legal exercise,

0:36:010:36:07

but it wasn't clear who owned what, so I've just done a paper seizure.

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To clear up the ownership issue, Mr Knock went to court, and it held

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Gibbs Boat Sales were a separate company, legitimately trading.

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So Lawrence couldn't take any of their boats.

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It looks like Steve Knock won't be getting his money back from Regency Marine.

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It's disappointing for Steve, but he takes time to reflect on the few happy moments he had on the boat

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before it all went badly wrong.

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It was something we had always really dreamed about, especially me, if I'm honest with you.

0:36:460:36:53

So when we got that, it was unbelievable. It was such...such...good fun.

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Just being around the water, being around the wildlife as well. Everything about it

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was just absolutely fantastic. It really was. I'd genuinely recommend it to anyone,

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just be wary of where you buy your boat from!

0:37:130:37:16

Kev and Lawrence have one more job to do today at a property investment company in Wandsworth, London.

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They're acting for someone selling a house with the company, but there was a dispute,

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-leaving the vendor out of pocket.

-We're here to collect £5,500.

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We've just pulled up now. It looks like offices, so we don't know what assets they'll have.

0:37:380:37:45

But hopefully they'll be able to discharge the debt.

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Because the sheriffs don't forewarn debtors they're coming, things can get heated when they turn up.

0:37:490:37:56

You'll always get the odd nutter. You've got to go in prepared,

0:37:560:38:00

but, generally speaking, most situations aren't too bad.

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And if you really need to, you can call the police, and they will come and assist you.

0:38:060:38:12

Hello, there. I'm looking for Quantum Investment Properties Ltd.

0:38:120:38:17

-I'll just give them a call. Can I take your name?

-Mr Grix.

0:38:170:38:22

-Hiya.

-Hello, there. I'll show you some ID.

0:38:220:38:26

-Enforcement officer. Are you happy to speak here?

-No, go through.

0:38:260:38:30

-What is it?

-We're here today to execute a High Court writ

0:38:350:38:40

-on behalf of a Mr Steven Savage and Mrs Susan Hibbert.

-Yeah?

0:38:400:38:44

The amount outstanding at the moment is £5,521.61.

0:38:440:38:49

-OK.

-Which is what we're here to collect today.

-Yeah?

-Yeah.

0:38:490:38:54

-So...?

-How would you like to pay?

-Erm, debit card if we could.

-Yep.

0:38:540:39:00

-OK?

-Yeah.

0:39:000:39:02

We've got a chip and PIN machine. My colleague will go and get it.

0:39:020:39:06

-I'll go upstairs. Two seconds.

-OK.

0:39:060:39:09

Result! That was quick, even by Lawrence's standards.

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Sometimes that throws them. If you just come out with it, "How would you like to pay?"

0:39:120:39:18

and don't give them the choice, it sometimes works, as in this case.

0:39:180:39:23

He hasn't come down yet, so... we can't count our chickens, but a good way to finish the day.

0:39:230:39:31

It's a debit card, yeah? There's a £5 surcharge for a debit card payment.

0:39:340:39:40

For the company director, settling with the enforcement officers was cheaper than a long legal battle.

0:39:400:39:47

I knew it had to be paid, but the whole thing's frustrating.

0:39:470:39:51

If we had got lawyers involved, it could have been a different case.

0:39:510:39:56

If only they could all be like that!

0:39:560:39:59

You know? "We're here to collect this amount. How would you like to pay?"

0:39:590:40:04

"Debit card all right?" "Thank you." If only!

0:40:040:40:08

It's nothing against these guys. They've got to collect the money. You win some, you lose some.

0:40:080:40:15

Back off to the office now. Job done for the day.

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A welcome early finish for the sheriffs.

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It's now two months since Lawrence and Kev paid Regency Marine a visit.

0:40:300:40:35

The company is now in administration.

0:40:350:40:39

Steve Knock has taken his boat back to sell and try to recoup some of his losses.

0:40:390:40:45

Shelley Summers is being paid £175 per month by her previous employer, Mr McCaul.

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The debt will be paid off in just over four years.

0:40:540:40:58

Shelley says she wants to put this episode of her life behind her

0:40:580:41:02

and looks forward to a brighter future.

0:41:020:41:05

And the customer whose car was sold by Verdi Ferrari

0:41:050:41:09

was pleased to get some of the money he was owed, but the story doesn't end there.

0:41:090:41:15

The owner of the garage promised monthly £500 repayments to pay off the rest of the debt,

0:41:150:41:21

but he's missed the first deadline, and there's no sign of that money.

0:41:210:41:27

If they don't make the first payment, it appears obvious that they're intending not to pay,

0:41:270:41:33

so we go back to remove goods.

0:41:330:41:36

The sheriffs will be revisiting the garage within days

0:41:360:41:40

and this time, they'll remove property for good.

0:41:400:41:44

Karen Steadman's employers were supposed to deduct money from her wages to pay for her rent.

0:41:520:41:59

The money was deducted, but they didn't pass it on to her landlord,

0:41:590:42:03

so Karen and her family were threatened with eviction.

0:42:030:42:07

It's very stressful, and I wouldn't want any person to go through it.

0:42:070:42:12

The sheriffs pay her employers a visit. Will they get Karen's cash?

0:42:120:42:18

-What do I need to do now?

-Pay it.

0:42:180:42:20

The sheriffs go to the home of a businessman who failed to pay an employee her wages.

0:42:200:42:27

-They're told he's moved out, but is it the truth?

-If he's lying, why give us a forwarding address?

0:42:270:42:33

Cos the chances are you're going to get rumbled.

0:42:330:42:37

And Lawrence and Kev return to the garage in Hayes.

0:42:370:42:42

This time they do take property to settle the debt to the customer who the garage didn't pay.

0:42:420:42:48

However, a £20,000 piece of equipment is missing.

0:42:480:42:52

It was here this morning. The power lead is still plugged in. It could be in the boot of a car.

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