Episode 7 The Sheriffs Are Coming


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-Meet the sheriffs.

-Let's go and introduce ourselves.

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-We're High Court enforcement officers.

-We're here to execute a High Court writ.

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They're the men whose job it is to get you your money back.

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It's an arrestable offence to stop me doing my job.

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If you've been ripped off and don't know where to turn...

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I'm not waiting any more.

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I'm ordered to seize goods to clear this debt, which would mean clearing this place out.

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If you've been to court but still not been paid what you're owed...

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-Why don't you just tell me who you are?

-This is an absolute crock. You need to pay this.

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The High Court Enforcement Officers are charged by law to

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recover what a court says is rightfully yours.

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I've seized your car, sir.

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You can either let us through the door, or we'll go through the window.

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It's time to call the sheriffs.

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I've collected 42 grand.

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Coming up - Myrna Torres paid £2,450

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for a healthcare qualification from a London college,

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but got nothing for her money AND was kicked out of the country.

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She was really in tears every day, asking, begging them for help, and they wouldn't help her.

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Can the sheriffs get her life back on track?

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You need to pay, otherwise we're going to be removing goods.

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This Yorkshire jeweller mis-sold an engagement ring.

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Sheriff Pete goes to show them that diamonds aren't forever.

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Your attitude towards me isn't acceptable.

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I'm going to take the items with me.

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And the careless removals company...

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It just got increasingly difficult to get any communication

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going with them at all.

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The sheriffs go in search of redress.

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We need some kind of proof of ownership or we'll be taking it. It's as simple as that.

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As another day dawns in West Yorkshire,

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in his van and on his way to work is Sheriff Pete Spencer.

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Today, he's off to see

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if he can bring a happy ending to a love story - gone wrong.

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This morning we're going to a jeweller's in Brighouse, West Yorkshire.

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Total amount we're looking for is £6,813.87.

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The client Pete's on his way to help

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bought an engagement ring for £4,100 from Fine Design Products Ltd,

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trading as Kingston Diamond Merchants.

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But the ring they came away with was a different weight,

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colour and clarity to the one they were originally sold.

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They went to court and the judge agreed the jeweller

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misrepresented the ring he sold them, and awarded in their favour.

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It's now Pete's job to make love's young dream come true

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and get the unhappy couple their money back.

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And if Kingston Diamond Merchants won't pay up, Pete's happy to

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show them why diamonds are a sheriff's best friend.

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Hopefully he'll have goods in the shop, which we will seize on entry

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and remove if need be, to secure the outstanding debt -

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or collect the payment in full

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which hopefully we will be able to do today.

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Sheriffs like early starts,

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but arriving at 9am, Pete might be a bit TOO early.

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The shop's yet to open.

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Pete manages to grab a quick word with the shop staff.

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What time do you open?

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Half past?

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I'll wait half an hour, it's OK.

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What she said through the window is the owner's not here till Friday

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and they're not willing to deal with it, seemingly,

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but I'm sure they'll be on the phone now to the owner

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to let them know somebody's outside.

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He needs to be getting himself down here, really, because we are looking

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for full payment today, or to remove items from within the jeweller's.

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Pete takes it on trust that the jewellers will

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open their doors to him.

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But if they don't, it won't keep him out.

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We can force entry if need be with it being commercial premises,

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but it is a last resort to force entry.

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Hopefully they'll see sense and open the door.

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And the moment the doors do open, Pete's first through them.

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Good morning.

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While Pete explains his visit to the staff,

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we're asked to stay outside the premises.

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I'm an enforcement officer. I've got a High Court writ.

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It's £6,813.87 today as we speak,

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so I've come to collect the total amount due today, or seize goods.

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Moments later, the shop staff get owner Mr Kingston on the phone.

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He wants to know why he's had no warning

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he was about to be visited by a sheriff.

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It's a High Court writ.

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I definitely don't have to serve any warrant on you prior to my arrival.

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I'll just explain, I've got a live High Court writ,

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which means I can attend here today without prior notice

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to collect the outstanding amount or seize goods.

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Pete warns Mr Kingston that if he doesn't pay up, he can remove goods.

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Mr Kingston continues to argue with him,

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and the more he does so, the more Pete's bill rises.

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I think you're just delaying tactics, to be fair.

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Yes, but I'm here now - that's the only problem.

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Well, at the moment, I'm into the next hour so I've got to charge you.

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Mr Kingston says he's waiting for the infamous ring

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to be returned before he'll consider paying up.

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But as the judgment states that the newlyweds don't need to

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return the ring until they get their money back, this won't stop

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Pete enforcing the writ and doing his bit to stop trouble in paradise.

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The case of him returning the ring

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isn't anything to do with me collecting this money.

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It's not relevant whatsoever. That's something...

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That's up to you. At the end of the day,

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best thing is pay it, you've got 14 days

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to put a claim in against it and then you sort it from there.

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If the shop owner won't pay, Pete will have no choice

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but to remove some products from the store.

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He lets Mr Kingston know this, but the shop owner doesn't seem

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bothered by his threat, and it's not long before Pete's had enough.

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Because of your attitude, I'm not going to leave items on site now.

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I was going to ring our office and see if they'd allow me

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to seize items on paperwork and leave them on site but I'm not going

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to do that now, due to your attitude. I'm going to take the items with me.

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Your attitude towards me isn't acceptable.

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With no payment forthcoming or likely today, Pete decides to

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take decisive action and asks staff to round up some rocks.

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I'm going to take approximately £28,000 worth of goods today.

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I've got to take quadruple the amount on the levy.

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Under the orders of an officer of the High Court,

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they have little choice but to say "I do".

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With the stones now in his hands, Pete's in a hurry to get away.

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He might have all the collateral he needs,

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but he's also now got himself a security situation

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in case any potential robbers have been keeping an eye on him.

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So we've moved away from the premises now.

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I'm just making sure nobody's following us or anything like that.

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Obviously, once we're in the vehicle, it's a safe vehicle -

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it locks us in the vehicle.

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I'm just going to pull into a safe place, and then we can discuss

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what's happened in there and the way we're moving forward with that case.

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In a secret location, Pete talks us through what the shop have

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told him the diamonds are worth, and what happens next.

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Those particular diamonds there have got a retail value,

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from what they're telling me, of £10,000,

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and the trade value on those is £3,000.

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That's a picture of the four diamonds which are one-carat

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stones each, and they're retailing at £15,000, trade value of £5,000.

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In this bag, you see, the diamonds -

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I've asked them, each individual one I've photographed has

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actually gone in there. I've asked the shop and I've witnessed them

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to seal that bag there and actually sign over the seal.

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I've no reason to go into that bag until it's returned to them

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or until it goes into auction to sell.

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£28,000 of precious stones might mean different things to

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different people.

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To Pete, however, they're just part of the job.

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Doesn't make any difference to me. It's just a bag, isn't it?

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What happens to the diamonds is now up to Mr Kingston.

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He's got 14 days to pay the sheriffs the £6,000 he owes.

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If he does, they'll give the stones back.

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If he doesn't, they'll auction the diamonds

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and give the proceeds to their client,

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who might finally be able to buy the engagement ring they dreamt of.

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Someone else looking to the sheriffs for help is solicitor

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Sherali Lakhani.

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Today, he's using the internet to talk to one of his clients,

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Myrna Torres.

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Hello, Myrna.

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She should be in the UK,

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but she's currently 7,000 miles away in the Philippines,

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and all because a British college took thousands of pounds

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of her savings, only to breach the contract they agreed with her.

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Myrna came to the UK four years ago to study

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so she could become a professional health carer.

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Her first two-year course went well.

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She made friends here who were all

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warm to her and she loved the atmosphere.

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She was very happy here.

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But when she enrolled in a further course at William Shakespeare College in South London,

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things didn't go to plan.

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The college was contractually obliged to supply Myrna with

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the form she needed to get a study visa, known as a CAS form.

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They gave her one, but when she sent it to the Home Office,

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it was rejected.

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It turned out William Shakespeare College

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wasn't a government-registered sponsor.

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The college had been taken over by another school,

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A&S Training College, who WERE a registered sponsor.

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Surely they could give her the CAS form she needed?

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The college refused to give her a new letter and she kept going back

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and they kept telling her, "We'll do it next week,

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"the week after, or do it tomorrow." They refused to give her the money

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back and they really wouldn't do anything about it.

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She was really in tears every day, asking, begging them for help,

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and they wouldn't help her.

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It was a desperate situation for Myrna.

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She'd paid 75% of her first year's fees - £2,450.

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She hoped the qualification would mean

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she could eventually earn the money back.

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But whatever she tried, A&S still wouldn't supply a CAS form.

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She was at risk of having to leave the UK.

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She lost all her confidence.

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All she could do is cry every time you talked to her.

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She was thinking that she's not only lost the money

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but having also lost any future she may have had in this country.

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Sherali did everything he could to try

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and get A&S to provide Myrna with the accreditation she needed.

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They just ignored all our letters.

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I sent them by e-mails, faxes, post, recorded delivery.

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All means - they just did not even acknowledge any of the letters.

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Over three months we wrote to them

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and we didn't get any response from them.

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No CAS form meant no visa for Myrna.

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She was forced to leave the UK without the qualifications

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she had set her heart on.

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She was telling me that her family was probably in debt

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because they had to borrow in order to give her

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the monies for her to study and she felt that she's let

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everyone down and she was feeling that she was the one at fault -

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she's done something wrong. In fact she hadn't done anything wrong,

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it was just that she fell victim to circumstances here.

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Desperate to get Myrna some redress for the money she'd

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spent for nothing, Sherali took A&S Training College to court.

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It was a clear-cut case.

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All we were asking for was a confirmation on a piece

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of paper, required under the law, and they were not just providing it.

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A&S Training College didn't contest the case,

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and the judge awarded in Myrna's favour.

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Despite this, the college has still yet to pay back a penny.

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If Myrna can get her money back, she still has a chance

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of returning to the UK to complete her studies at a different college.

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Determined they are going to get Myrna what she's owed,

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sheriffs Marc Newton and Tony Smith

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arrive at A&S Training College in North London.

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It may be a school day, but that's not enough to put off the sheriffs.

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They head straight to reception, High Court writ in hand.

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You all right? How you doing?

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It's about a High Court writ that's been issued against you,

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from Miriam Moncala Torres.

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It's against who?

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A&S Training College.

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Right, OK.

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It originally went to the county court in May of this year.

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OK, let me just call head office.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. No problem.

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The man's hoping head office knows more about the case than he does.

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And when he speaks to them, they tell him

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they think they've got a reason why they don't have to pay.

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They've had a name change.

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A&S Training College is the old trading name of the college.

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So we're now Park Royal College.

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All your stuff out in the foyer's still got A&S Training on it.

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Well, that's an old trading name.

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We've now switched to Park Royal College Ltd.

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Right, you're going to need to

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provide us with some proof of all this.

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Umm, yeah... They need proof of the change to Park Royal College.

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I'm just going down to look at stuff on the front wall.

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The head office continues to insist they're a new company,

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but Tony's not won over that easily.

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Yeah, OK.

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Well, A&S Training College doesn't exist any more as a trading company.

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Well, what's all the stuff you've got in the hall

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as you come into reception?

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Everything on that wall is A&S Training College.

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Well, we switched to Park Royal College.

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You need to show proof of that like liability insurance or

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a Companies House certificate.

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I mean I can go into anywhere and they can tell me the name's changed.

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Unless you show me proof, it means nothing.

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If Park Royal College Ltd is a different company,

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they will no longer be responsible for A&S's debt,

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and Marc and Tony will have to leave empty-handed.

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While Marc calls the office to ask them to make further checks

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on A&S, Tony tries to convince them that they do owe the money.

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But you are A&S Training College?

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You're Park Royal College?

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But all the stuff in reception is for A&S Training College.

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Well, I'm looking at your timetables on the walls here

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and they're saying the 2012 to 2013, A&S Training College.

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It's all over the walls in this office as well.

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Well, you need to prove to me that it's changed.

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You need to get a Companies House certificate or a liability insurance.

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I'm not being funny but a liability insurance certificate

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should be on the wall, especially with what you do for a living.

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Having called his own office, Marc's got good news.

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It's just a change of name so it doesn't matter.

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It's on the wall, isn't it?

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It's a Companies House certificate to say it's not a new company,

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it's changed its name to this company, so they're still liable.

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Park Royal College is still the same registered company

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as A&S Training College.

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They may have changed their name,

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but they're still liable for the debts.

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Marc rams home the point.

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It's just been a change of name.

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It's just a change of name. It's just a change of name.

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No, it's just a change of names. It's a change of names.

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Well, you need to pay, otherwise we're going to be removing goods.

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Tony gets listing company assets that the Sheriffs will seize

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and sell if the college won't pay up -

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something the employees don't like one bit.

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I really don't think you have to...

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Well, we do, cos unfortunately we have to do that

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whether it's paid or not. We still do it.

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It's a process, is it?

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It's a process. They have to price it up.

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I'm not pricing it up, I'm listing it.

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We're listing it, we're not pricing it up.

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While the employees try to sort out what to do,

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the Sheriffs look at assets elsewhere in the building.

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The computers aren't high-value items,

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but there are more than enough of them to seize to pay off the debt.

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Marc and Tony have been at the college for 40 minutes

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and they're no nearer to being paid,

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as the college officials are still disputing payment.

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Marc's rapidly losing patience.

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We'll give them 30 minutes or so, and then if we don't get anywhere

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after that, we'll start geeing them up

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to start removing goods basically.

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Moments later, the employee comes back.

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He insists the college knows nothing about the case,

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and that they want to get the judgment annulled.

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We had no knowledge of this.

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Genuinely, we have no knowledge of this case.

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But obviously we're going to be defending that.

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But Marc knows only too well, at this late stage

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an appeal isn't going to stop them enforcing the writ.

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The thing is, at this stage, it's a live writ.

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So it would need to be paid today or we will remove goods.

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Whether he said he'll defend it, it's entirely up to him.

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He can do that, but today it will need to be dealt with.

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Faced with having Marc publicly removing office furniture,

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the college finally gives up and agrees to pay.

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Do you guys want us to transfer to your account?

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Yeah. You do. It's on the bottom of that paperwork.

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-Can we do that?

-As long as you're on the faster system,

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cos we have to sit here until it's gone through.

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You need to do this now...

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Now.

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Cos it'll start going up.

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If payment goes through, it'll be a big score for Marc.

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He checks with the office to see if the bank transfer has been made.

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I just need to check the bank to see if some money's gone in, please?

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Thank you.

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OK, lovely. Thank you.

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It's a bull's-eye for Marc and Tony, whose persistence has paid

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dividends for themselves, and more importantly, for Myrna.

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The college meanwhile are keen to give their side of the story.

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We didn't know there was a judgment against, you know.

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If we knew about it, we would have contested it.

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We've got to look at what the judgment says.

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She wasn't provided with a letter.

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But if her visa was refused by UKBA we can't keep her in the college,

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which is against the law of the land.

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We'll look into the detail and see what happens.

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Marc is understandably delighted at getting the result

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he wanted for Myrna.

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We got there eventually.

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It took a while, but we got paid in full which was a good result.

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We've got the money which is a lot better than us having to remove

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all the computers, cos they weren't easy to get to,

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and it would've taken a while,

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it would send the bill through the roof, to be honest.

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It would've doubled the price of the bill by the time

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we'd started taking that out of there.

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Most importantly, the result means

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Myrna finally getting the £2,736 she's owed.

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I'd like to share the good news

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that we have recovered your money from the college.

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GIGGLES

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A&S Training College reiterated to us they knew nothing of Myrna's

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legal claim or the court judgment until visited by the sheriffs.

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Had they known about it, they say they would have contested

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the case, as they insist there was no breach of contract.

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Marc and Tony work for this High Court enforcement company

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in South London.

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They enforce over 1,000 High Court writs every month and recover

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over £24 million of money rightfully owed to their clients every year.

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Hiya.

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Good morning, sir.

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My name's Mr Grix. I'm an enforcement officer.

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Only Sheriffs can execute High Court writs and it gives them more powers

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than County Court bailiffs to enter properties and seize assets.

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We have a High Court writ. We're here today to remove that vehicle.

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If no payment is forthcoming,

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Sheriffs can seize goods to auction to pay off debts,

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although removing goods is rare, happening in less than 1% of cases.

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This is New York...

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..near Boston...in Lincolnshire.

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It may not have Manhattan's skyline, but for Keith and Chris Peberdy

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it was the dream life in the country they wanted after deciding

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to move from their home of 20 years in Dorset.

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I fell in love with it as soon as I saw it.

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We put in an offer the following day and luckily for us it was accepted.

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Unfortunately, this move was also the start of their troubles.

0:21:480:21:51

Once the Peberdys decided to move house,

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they knew it was going to be no small task.

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We'd been in our old house for 20 years,

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so we had a lot of furniture, stuff in the garage.

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Looking round for a removals company,

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they wanted a firm that would take the stress out of the ordeal.

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And after searching online,

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they found local Dorset firm Christchurch Removals.

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Chris spoke to the company boss, John Green.

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He was very convincing that he would do a very good job

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and take care of our possessions,

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so we went with him.

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It's the biggest mistake we made.

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At first, the 170-mile move went well.

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The Peberdys were quite happy with the way the company

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packed their stuff and moved it out of their Dorset home.

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But when they got to their new New York house,

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the removers started to look anything but professional.

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There was a reproduction Victorian bedroom chair,

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which was badly scratched.

0:23:050:23:07

The top was snapped off of a garden parasol.

0:23:070:23:10

Mr Green told me that I could glue it together.

0:23:100:23:13

There was some shelving that was broken.

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A concrete planter, that was smashed.

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Our dining room table was scratched very badly.

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Upset about the damage, the Peberdys paid £900

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to have their table restored,

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which, with the other estimated repair costs,

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left them wanting just over £1,000 from Christchurch Removals.

0:23:320:23:37

Keith then got in touch with company boss John Green.

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First of all, we put our complaint in writing

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to Christchurch Removals along with an estimate for the damage to

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the table, which was the major item.

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And I don't think there was any response at all from them.

0:23:500:23:53

And it just got increasingly difficult to get any communication

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going with them at all.

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After a month of trying to get in contact,

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Mr Green agreed to come to New York and inspect the damage.

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But Mr Green didn't want to resolve the problem,

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and no refund of any sort was forthcoming.

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Nine months on from their move, insulted at how they'd been treated

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and still without any sign of compensation,

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the Peberdys felt they had no choice

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but to take Christchurch Removals to court.

0:24:240:24:27

The company told the court their insurers were dealing with

0:24:270:24:30

the issue, but unimpressed by this defence,

0:24:300:24:32

the judge awarded £1,085 in the Peberdys' favour.

0:24:320:24:37

Since then, there's been no sign of any payment,

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so Chris and Keith have had to call on the help of the sheriffs.

0:24:410:24:45

And on their way to Christchurch in Dorset to try and get

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their money back are sheriffs Lawrence Grix and Kev McNally.

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We'll see if there's any vehicles on the driveway when we get there.

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Potentially block the driveway or clamp any vehicles.

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And then we'll give it a knock. and just take it from there,

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see if we can get somebody to answer the door.

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It's just gone six in the morning when they arrive at the company

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address, which also happens to be owner Mr Green's home.

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It's that one with the Transit on the drive.

0:25:200:25:23

No sooner have they arrived than Lawrence spots a potentially

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seizable van on the driveway of the house they've come to visit.

0:25:250:25:29

Kev parks across the driveway to make sure it's going nowhere fast.

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Looks like they've got a dog.

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Brilliant (!) I'm not getting bitten again.

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Gate's locked.

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Sheriffs are legally allowed to climb gates or perimeter walls

0:25:490:25:53

and fences to gain entry - even at residential addresses.

0:25:530:25:57

Luckily, today, Lawrence manages to find the handle.

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You got the front door there?

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Give it the bailiff knock.

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There we go.

0:26:090:26:10

Lawrence's knock has the desired effect,

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as a bleary-eyed member of the Green family comes to the door.

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I'm an enforcement officer.

0:26:160:26:18

I'm here today to execute a High Court writ

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against Christchurch Removals.

0:26:200:26:22

The man says there's no-one else in but him.

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Nobody lives here, just you?

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So who's Christchurch Removals? Is that your mum and dad, is it?

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Right. And the van out the front, is that Christchurch Removals' van?

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You've no idea?

0:26:350:26:37

You don't work for them. It's not your van?

0:26:370:26:40

The son says his parents run the business and that they're away.

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Are you able to get one of them on the phone?

0:26:440:26:46

You must be able to contact them.

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If something happens you need to be able to contact them, don't you?

0:26:480:26:51

Well, something's happened.

0:26:510:26:53

Well, I've woke you up, you can wake them up.

0:26:530:26:56

Because at the moment we're here to seize goods to clear this

0:26:560:26:59

particular debt that we've got, which as it's looking at the moment

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is going to be the van out the front.

0:27:020:27:04

You've just said it's not yours.

0:27:040:27:06

It relates potentially to a removals business,

0:27:060:27:09

so we're going to be looking to seize that vehicle,

0:27:090:27:11

so you need to get your parents on the phone.

0:27:110:27:14

I've woken you up. It's only fair you wake them up.

0:27:140:27:17

The man says he knows his rights

0:27:170:27:19

and that Lawrence has to get off the property.

0:27:190:27:22

No, I don't. So you clearly don't know your rights.

0:27:220:27:25

Getting the door slammed in their faces

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brings the discussion to an end.

0:27:300:27:32

If he's to get any money back for the Peberdys,

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Lawrence will need to get in touch with the owners,

0:27:340:27:36

and to do that, he needs their son to help him make contact.

0:27:360:27:40

Lawrence turns his attention to the van on the drive.

0:27:410:27:45

It could become a useful bargaining chip to lure the son back out.

0:27:450:27:50

It's definitely used for work.

0:27:500:27:51

Yeah?

0:27:510:27:53

What is there, stuff in the front?

0:27:530:27:55

TomTom, street atlas, there's webbing strap.

0:27:550:27:57

Time to clamp the van.

0:27:570:27:59

Stick a clamp on it, sit in the van.

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Yeah? OK.

0:28:020:28:03

Usually, seeing the clamp go on is enough to get debtors to pay up.

0:28:040:28:09

But today, there's a problem.

0:28:090:28:11

Lawrence, where's it supposed to be?

0:28:110:28:14

Oh, you're joking me? Oh, you're having a laugh.

0:28:140:28:18

It should be there, shouldn't it?

0:28:220:28:24

Yeah.

0:28:240:28:26

That's not right.

0:28:260:28:27

With no clamp and no debtor to talk to,

0:28:300:28:33

Lawrence and Kev are limited in what they can do.

0:28:330:28:36

They decide to wait it out until either the office opens

0:28:360:28:39

so they can check on the ownership of the van,

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and potentially get it towed, or the debtor agrees to talk to them.

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But this is potentially worst-case scenario with a residential address.

0:28:450:28:49

Yeah.

0:28:490:28:50

Really, we need to be in dialogue...

0:28:500:28:54

..and then we can establish who is the owner of the vehicle

0:28:560:29:00

and whether we can actually take it or not.

0:29:000:29:04

It's a 200-mile round trip for the Sheriffs,

0:29:040:29:07

and the chances of getting any money seem to be fading.

0:29:070:29:10

Until suddenly...

0:29:100:29:11

There he is.

0:29:110:29:13

..the son re-emerges.

0:29:130:29:15

Worried that the van's going to be seized,

0:29:170:29:19

he wants to show Lawrence paperwork which he thinks proves

0:29:190:29:23

the van's owned personally by his father, not Christchurch Removals.

0:29:230:29:28

As this quite clearly states, this document is not proof of ownership.

0:29:280:29:32

We need some kind of proof of ownership or we'll be taking it.

0:29:320:29:35

It's as simple as that.

0:29:350:29:36

If we have to take a vehicle, you'll be liable for more money,

0:29:360:29:40

so the best way to deal with it is get it paid.

0:29:400:29:42

You need to get him on the phone.

0:29:420:29:44

That's what phones are for,

0:29:440:29:45

for contacting people when they're not around.

0:29:450:29:48

Getting somewhere, slowly. Maybe.

0:29:500:29:53

Well, he's dealing with it now. That's the thing.

0:29:530:29:56

He's actively dealing with it, which is what you need.

0:29:560:29:59

Finally, after another wait, the son emerges prepared to pay up.

0:30:010:30:05

Did you get in touch with them?

0:30:050:30:07

I phoned them up and they said just pay it, so...

0:30:070:30:10

Yeah.

0:30:100:30:11

As it's not a huge amount of money as well, you know.

0:30:110:30:13

It's best to get these things sorted.

0:30:130:30:16

Locked out of a residential property and with no clamp,

0:30:170:30:21

at one point all wasn't looking good for Lawrence and Kev,

0:30:210:30:24

so they're understandably delighted to have got a paid-in-full.

0:30:240:30:27

Bosh!

0:30:290:30:31

You've just met the A-Team!

0:30:310:30:33

Absolutely blinding start to the day.

0:30:350:30:38

A residential for what was potentially a non-entity -

0:30:380:30:43

that's as good as it gets on that one.

0:30:430:30:46

It's another triumph for the sheriffs.

0:30:460:30:48

A paid-in-full for them

0:30:480:30:51

and, for the Peberdys, finally a letter in the post.

0:30:510:30:54

-Oh, we've got the cheque!

-Brilliant.

0:30:540:30:57

It says we have made a payment to you of £1,222.59

0:30:570:31:03

in full payment of the above matter.

0:31:030:31:05

-Oh, that's good.

-Yeah.

0:31:050:31:07

We weren't sure at any stage whether we were going to get paid or not.

0:31:070:31:12

We're just happy that it's all over and we can get on with our lives now.

0:31:120:31:16

Boss John Green told us the Peberdys refused an offer

0:31:160:31:20

from the company's insurers.

0:31:200:31:22

He said he had now retired

0:31:230:31:25

and that Christchurch Removals was no longer trading.

0:31:250:31:28

Today, Lawrence and Kev are staying close to their South London roots.

0:31:360:31:40

They've got an appointment with a Sidcup mortgage advisor

0:31:400:31:43

who owes money to a former client.

0:31:430:31:46

We're at a residential address but apparently it is a commercial

0:31:460:31:51

property with various companies working from it.

0:31:510:31:54

We're looking for an S Williams, we're looking for £2,241.32.

0:31:540:31:59

The lady they're on their way to help is Janet Folds.

0:31:590:32:03

When she tried to take out a mortgage to buy a new home

0:32:030:32:05

for her elderly father George,

0:32:050:32:07

she thought it would make both of their lives easier.

0:32:070:32:11

Instead, it's seen her out of pocket, forced to go to court

0:32:110:32:15

and left relying on the sheriffs for help.

0:32:150:32:17

Janet's father George is 87 and not in the best of health.

0:32:220:32:27

He's worked all his life, but he's always been disabled.

0:32:270:32:30

From the Second World War, he's got three bullet wounds, I believe.

0:32:300:32:34

He's always been in pain.

0:32:340:32:36

He can't manoeuvre his leg or his shoulder,

0:32:360:32:38

and arthritis has set in,

0:32:380:32:40

and he's also got a heart condition, he's got anaemia,

0:32:400:32:46

and he's in quite a bad way, really.

0:32:460:32:49

And the stairs in his house are too difficult to get up and down.

0:32:490:32:53

To make live easier for George,

0:32:530:32:55

Janet decided to move him out of his old house and find a new flat,

0:32:550:32:59

which had the facilities he would need in his old age.

0:32:590:33:03

She found just the place in Lewisham, South London.

0:33:030:33:06

She took George to see it.

0:33:060:33:08

He was over the moon with it, and it would've been ideal for him.

0:33:080:33:11

The new flat was going to cost more than selling George's existing

0:33:110:33:15

one would raise. They'd need a mortgage to cover the difference,

0:33:150:33:18

and looking around for someone who could arrange one,

0:33:180:33:21

Janet was recommended Stewart Williams.

0:33:210:33:24

She went to meet with him and was impressed.

0:33:240:33:27

I've got to say, it looked very professional - and so did he.

0:33:270:33:31

Erm, everything in the office pointed at the fact that

0:33:310:33:35

he was what he said he was.

0:33:350:33:37

And a successful one at that.

0:33:370:33:39

He said "This should be no problem at all but I'll need some money

0:33:390:33:44

"from you straightaway."

0:33:440:33:45

My father supplied the money, put it into my account,

0:33:450:33:49

and I gave him a cheque there and then.

0:33:490:33:51

He said, "Not to worry, you've got the mortgage."

0:33:510:33:54

With Mr Williams' fee paid and the mortgage in the pipeline,

0:33:540:33:58

Janet and George thought they could relax.

0:33:580:34:01

But a few weeks after paying the £1,500,

0:34:010:34:04

Janet received some bad news.

0:34:040:34:06

The buyer for her father's house pulled out,

0:34:060:34:09

which put her whole flat purchase in jeopardy.

0:34:090:34:12

She got back in touch with Mr Williams.

0:34:120:34:15

And he suggested that my brother could buy my dad's house...

0:34:150:34:24

which sounded a bit odd.

0:34:240:34:26

He said, well, if he buys that, you can keep that,

0:34:260:34:29

keep the house,

0:34:290:34:31

your father goes into the flat and the house can be let.

0:34:310:34:35

So he said, right, I want another £2,000. First words out of his mouth.

0:34:350:34:39

Thinking it their best option, Janet agreed to Mr Williams' plan

0:34:390:34:43

of making two property purchases.

0:34:430:34:45

Using George's money, she paid the additional £2,000 fees

0:34:450:34:50

Mr Williams asked for.

0:34:500:34:52

Days then weeks went by,

0:34:520:34:54

and there was no sign of any mortgage.

0:34:540:34:57

Janet got back in touch with Mr Williams,

0:34:570:35:00

who gave her some bad news.

0:35:000:35:01

Because there were now two mortgages needed,

0:35:010:35:04

one would have to be buy-to-let, but no mortgage company would allow

0:35:040:35:08

Janet's family to take out the riskier buy-to-let mortgage.

0:35:080:35:12

He said, "I'm afraid we have got a problem, yeah."

0:35:120:35:14

He said, "You can't have the mortgages."

0:35:140:35:16

Just like that.

0:35:160:35:18

But I thought he would've told me that in the beginning,

0:35:180:35:21

but it was purely money. That's what he could see.

0:35:210:35:24

And me, like a fool, I let him have it.

0:35:240:35:27

Janet then had to tell George that she'd had to pull out

0:35:270:35:30

of the purchase of the flat he'd fallen in love with.

0:35:300:35:33

My dad was so... He even packed.

0:35:330:35:36

And he was virtually living as if he was going to move tomorrow.

0:35:360:35:40

So I couldn't stand it no more. That night I've had to get him home,

0:35:400:35:43

me and my sister told him.

0:35:430:35:45

And he was gutted.

0:35:450:35:47

Worse still, Mr Williams was refusing to give back any part

0:35:470:35:51

of the £3,500 fees Janet and George had given him.

0:35:510:35:56

Despite the fact they'd followed his advice and he had been unable

0:35:560:36:00

to get them a mortgage,

0:36:000:36:01

he said these fees were non-refundable.

0:36:010:36:04

Well, I said to him, "What happens now then?"

0:36:040:36:07

Thinking that he was going to say,

0:36:070:36:09

"We'll give you some of it back," or just indicate something,

0:36:090:36:14

so he said - nothing.

0:36:140:36:15

And he looked at me as if I was asking something really strange.

0:36:150:36:19

And by now, I was getting up.

0:36:190:36:21

"No," he said. "That's the end of it.

0:36:210:36:23

"You've got no mortgages. There is no mortgage."

0:36:230:36:26

And I just sort of walked out a bit dumbstruck, really,

0:36:260:36:29

and it wasn't until I got outside

0:36:290:36:30

and thought what I really felt about him

0:36:300:36:33

that I've made my mind up, one way or the other I was going to

0:36:330:36:36

get the money back, whatever way it took!

0:36:360:36:39

Determined not to let Mr Williams get away with her father's money,

0:36:390:36:43

Janet investigated legal action.

0:36:430:36:46

She took out a county court action against him.

0:36:460:36:48

To Janet's surprise, Mr Williams admitted liability

0:36:480:36:52

and agreed to pay her what she was owed.

0:36:520:36:54

He admitted the whole amount and said,

0:36:540:36:58

"but my defence is he's in financial difficulty,"

0:36:580:37:03

and I thought, right.

0:37:030:37:07

They said, "He's asked you for time to pay."

0:37:070:37:10

So, I wrote back and said, "How long will this be?"

0:37:110:37:15

So they said, "He'll send you £2,000 within 14 days,

0:37:150:37:21

"and the rest he'll pay in February of this year."

0:37:210:37:24

Mr Williams paid Janet the first £2,000.

0:37:240:37:28

But after that - nothing.

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And now, nine months on, she's still waiting for her money.

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With nowhere left to turn, her last hope now rests with the sheriffs.

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Guided by their trusty sat nav, they arrive at the address

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named on the writ, park up and prepare for action.

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There's just one problem.

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We're looking for S Williams, no?

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This isn't the right house.

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Stupid sat nav.

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The couple at the door tell them the address they need

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is actually around the corner.

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Thanks very much.

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Why do I get the blame for the sat nav being wrong?

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No, I said stupid sat nav.

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It seems they mistook the sheriffs for something quite different.

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They guessed we were bailiffs straightaway. What was that about?

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No, they said, "What have we won?"

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-What have we done?

-No, "What have we won?"!

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They thought we were Lottery?

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Two minutes in the van and they find the address they're after nearby.

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Time to try again.

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But will this house be the office they're after?

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Hello, I'm looking for an S Williams?

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-I'm a bit worried about the...

-Yeah.

-Cos she's loitering.

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Yeah, go and have a word with her. Show her your ID.

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Worried about getting a parking ticket,

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Kev goes looking for a parking space

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while Lawrence goes into the office upstairs

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to introduce himself to the man who buzzed him in.

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Hello. It was you that buzzed me in, yeah?

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I'm looking for Mr S Williams.

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No, I appreciate that. So you don't know of a Mr Williams here?

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Mr Grix, an enforcement officer. If you can get him on the phone

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and just tell him there's an enforcement officer here for him.

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As the somewhat surprised office administrator goes to call

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Mr Williams with the news he has a visitor,

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Kev returns, having had no luck finding somewhere to park.

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If you want to keep an eye on the van.

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-Are you all right?

-Yeah, I'll shout if I need you.

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Lawrence will now have to try and get Janet her money back

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without his partner's help.

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He tries to find out a bit more about where Mr Williams might be.

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Is he out at a client's, is he?

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Is that far away?

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Perhaps he needs to come here and sort it out then.

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He decides it's time to bypass the man in the office

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and talk to the broker directly.

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Can Lawrence persuade him to come down and pay up?

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Hello, Sir. My name's Mr Grix. I'm an enforcement officer.

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I'm here to execute a High Court writ on behalf of our claimant,

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J Folds?

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We're here today to seize goods to the value of £2,241.32.

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If you wish to prevent further action,

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you need to pay that amount in full.

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OK. Cheers. Bye-bye.

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That was a lot easier than expected.

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He knows who she is. He's not happy about her!

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But he's going to the bank to get the money out, I believe.

0:40:230:40:27

He said he'd go and get the cash out now.

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But a sheriff as experienced as Lawrence knows until

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the money's in his hand, nothing's guaranteed.

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What I have to do, I have to seize goods within here,

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that's what I'm sent out for today, is to seize goods.

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We're not here for the money.

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We're here to seize goods he should've paid at the CCJ stage.

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He didn't, for whatever reason.

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What do you want to do then? >

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I just have to list everything down. It won't take me long.

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To keep the pressure up,

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he gets on with listing all the goods in the office.

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Is that a shredder, is it?

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If any of these belong to Stewart Williams,

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and he gets cold feet about paying up,

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they can then be removed and sold to pay his debt.

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No, no, it's all right.

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As Lawrence finishes listing assets,

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Stewart Williams calls to say he's minutes away.

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But he's also heard about our camera and wants us out of the office. Now.

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A few minutes later, Mr Williams arrives and goes in to speak

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to Lawrence, who's ready with the figure he's there to collect.

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But will Mr Williams agree to pay?

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£2,241.32.

0:41:370:41:39

Yeah. £1.32.

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Stewart Williams hands over the full amount owed - in cash.

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Cash. Nil balance. And just sign and print for me.

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There you go. There's your receipt.

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I'll leave you in peace. Cheers. Bye-bye.

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It's the perfect result for Lawrence and great news for Janet,

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and her father, George.

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He paid in full? Bosh!

0:42:050:42:07

Bish, bash.

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Finally, they'll now get back their money - in full.

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It's all in there. The guy knew about the debt.

0:42:140:42:17

He didn't want the aggravation so he went and got the money and paid it.

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We're done and dusted and that's the end of it.

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This is a letter from the sheriffs to say that they successfully got

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my money back. I feel good now to know that we've got it back for

0:42:280:42:32

my dad. I'd like to have been there when they went in there.

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It's just satisfying knowing that I've got this back.

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I hope other people do what I've done.

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A few days after Pete removed £28,000 of diamonds from

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Kingston Diamond Merchants, owner Mr Kingston paid the £6,000 debt.

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The diamonds have now been returned to him and the couple

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he mis-sold an engagement ring to have been paid in full.

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