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-Meet the sheriffs. -My name's Mr Grix. My colleague and I | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
-are enforcement agents. -It's to do with a High Court order. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
They work for the High Court, and if it says you're owed money, | 0:00:06 | 0:00:10 | |
it's their job to go and get it. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
I'm here for £6,072.18. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:16 | |
They can demand payment on the spot... | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
I'm here for the full balance. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
-How are you going to pay it? -..or remove assets instead. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
The car will be going unless you can pay it. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
You'll have a week to pay in full before it gets sold at auction. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
Obstructing their work can be a criminal offence. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:33 | |
I wouldn't do that if I were you. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:35 | |
The door needs to stay open. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:36 | |
Every year in England and Wales, | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
unpaid debts totalling more than £80 million | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
are recovered by the sheriffs. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
Coming up, a locksmith's done a botched job on Pete Mullany's door. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:53 | |
The mechanism was the wrong one. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
The whole frame and everything was damaged. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
It was a bit of a disaster. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
The boss of the company responsible doesn't want to cooperate. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
But can Ken change his mind? | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
That's what I like to see, plenty of stock in the shop. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
The Sheriffs take on a group of squatters in the heart | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
of central London. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
SHOUTING Devil worship! Devil worship! | 0:01:15 | 0:01:20 | |
In 30 minutes' time, you are going to be leaving this property. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
A steel company owes money to a former employee. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
When Dean didn't pay the final wage, I found it more than unfair. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:32 | |
So Tommy and Craig go looking for the boss. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
Is it him? | 0:01:37 | 0:01:38 | |
And Lawrence puts the squeeze on a finance company | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
which hasn't paid its rent. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
You had a turnover... Last time you submitted books of 1.8 million. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
So I can't believe that you can't come up with £16,000. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
This morning, enforcement agent Ken Warby | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
is in his usual North London patch. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
He's heading to a shop in Barnet, in pursuit of an unpaid debt. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
On the face of it, it looks like a run-of-the-mill job, | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
but he's about to be reminded | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
that it takes some people longer than others | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
to come to terms with the realities of High Court enforcement. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
We are going to visit a company called All Service For You. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:21 | |
I believe they're a security company. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
To be precise, All Service For You Ltd | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
is a locksmiths, | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
and their debt of more than £2,000 all began | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
with a surprisingly simple problem - | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
a broken lock on the front door | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
of Pete Mullany's family home in Stockport. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
The locks had probably been in there 20 years, | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
and they just needed replacing. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
Pete and his wife called around locksmiths for quotes, | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
before settling on All Service For You, | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
thinking it was a local company. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
It wasn't until we found out a little bit further on in the process | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
that the company was based in London, | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
and they'd outsourced it to local contractors to pick up the deal. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
So it wasn't kind of what we were hoping for. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
And when a workman came to fix the lock, | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
it didn't exactly go as planned. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
It's a composite door with its own unique locking mechanism, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
and the mechanism that he put in was the wrong one, | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
so as a result, there was loads of holes everywhere, | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
which had been filled in with Polyfilla. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
The door was slightly damaged, as well, | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
and at the bottom, didn't shut properly. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
You could actually see the light coming through, | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
the wind blowing through into the hallway. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
So all told, it was a bit of a disaster. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
When the Mullanys tried to complain, | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
calls and messages went unanswered, and in the end, they just gave up, | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
until several months later, when events spurred Pete into action. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:45 | |
I went to slam the door and the actual splinter | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
started to come away, | 0:03:47 | 0:03:48 | |
and that's when I realised that this job wasn't good enough. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
I checked the original invoice that we got for the locks. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
They'd put one-year warranty, so I thought I was within that one year, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
so still within my rights to do something about it. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
So I contacted them, sent all the pictures again, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
and as usual, they never got back. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
Pete decided he wasn't going to take it lying down, | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
and following guidance given him by Citizens' Advice, | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
got a second opinion. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:15 | |
I contacted a local master locksmith. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
It was him who pointed out | 0:04:18 | 0:04:19 | |
that the whole doorframe and everything was damaged, | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
and suddenly, it ramped up from just replacing the locks | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
to actually the whole door and the whole frame. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
Pete made a claim against All Service For You Ltd | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
through the County Courts, | 0:04:31 | 0:04:32 | |
and when they didn't offer a defence, he won a default judgment. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
But weeks down the line, there's still no sign of his money. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
I've still not received any correspondence from the defendant | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
as to whether he's paying this money, | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
so I'm getting pretty desperate and I'm just thinking, | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
"What do I need to do?" | 0:04:48 | 0:04:49 | |
More than anything, we need to get that door sorted. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
Three daughters in the house, | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
my constant fear is that someone could break that door down. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
This has been a mega process, | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
and it just feels like if it falls at the last step, | 0:04:59 | 0:05:03 | |
I'll be absolutely devastated. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
In Barnet, Ken's on his way to the shop | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
where All Service For You are thought to trade. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
Since Pete enlisted the sheriffs' help to get his money back, | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
there have been further legal developments, but Ken is undeterred. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:24 | |
I know that there was an application... | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
..to get the judgment set aside, | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
which has recently been thrown out of court, | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
so we are good to go on it. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
As he reaches the address, | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
it seems the name of the shop doesn't quite match | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
the name on his writ. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
37, All Time Security... | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
But it's probably just a trading name for the same business, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
and Ken likes what he sees. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
Walk straight in the shop front, that should be easy enough. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
Time for Ken to discover whether the company's planning | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
-to finally pay up for Pete's door. -Hello. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
My name is Mr Warby. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
This is regarding a judgment from an individual called Mr Pete Mullany. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:11 | |
I think you know about it, | 0:06:11 | 0:06:12 | |
because I think you tried to get the judgment set aside. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
OK. And what was the outcome? | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
The sheriffs are used to arguing with people | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
who think their cases are still ongoing, | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
but as this man's appeal was rejected yesterday, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
he should know exactly where he stands. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
-Yes. -So far, so good. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
Or maybe not. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:41 | |
The situation's this... | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
These now have a High Court judgment against you, | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
so I'm here for the full balance. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
After costs, it's now £2,311, that's what I'm here for. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
The man now says he's willing to pay the original judgment debt, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
without costs and fees, | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
but the time to pay this lower figure has long gone. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
The amount with Sheriffs' fees currently stands at £2,311.50. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:14 | |
Yeah... | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
At this point, our camera is asked to leave. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
Inside, Ken attempts to explain to the manager | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
that he needs to find more than two grand pretty quickly, | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
or else goods will be removed from the shop. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
But the man doesn't like what he's hearing and closes the shutters, | 0:07:34 | 0:07:38 | |
trapping Ken inside. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
Ken follows protocol and calls the police. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
For 25 minutes, the discussion continues behind closed doors, | 0:07:45 | 0:07:49 | |
until eventually, the shutters reopen. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
The boss thinks he's found a loophole in Ken's paperwork | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
and wants to show us. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
The address on the writ is the company's registered office, | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
not here, where they are trading from. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
Thinking he's onto a winner, the boss lets us back in. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
But he's barking up the wrong tree. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
Sheriffs can attend anywhere the debtor resides | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
or carries out a trade or business. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
Yeah, we're instructed by the client to attend here, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
so that is an extension for the writ. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
To be here. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:39 | |
The manager seems to think it's unreasonable for the claimant | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
to want the money he's legally owed. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
Ken decides the easiest thing is to just wait for backup. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:49 | |
I want it done amicably, OK? I want the police here, | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
just so they can let you know, because you won't take it from me, | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
that we are within our rights to be here, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
and that we can remove goods from here. | 0:08:57 | 0:08:58 | |
Maybe you'll have it from the police officer, | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
and if he then can't convince you, | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
I'll call up the van and we'll remove goods. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
Later, as he starts listing goods for potential removal... | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
I can go wherever I want, mate. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
..Ken gets locked in again. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
Using the County Courts to try to recover money you're owed | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
isn't difficult. 1.5 million money claims | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
are made every year in England and Wales, | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
involving anything from faulty goods or poor workmanship | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
to unpaid invoices. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:38 | |
Claims can be filed by post or online for a small fee. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
Both parties in the case will be asked to submit evidence, | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
and you may have to attend a court hearing. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
If you're successful, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:51 | |
a County Court Judgment or CCJ will be issued against the debtor. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:56 | |
And if they still don't pay, that's when you call the sheriffs. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
While most of their workload involves unpaid debts, | 0:10:01 | 0:10:05 | |
High Court enforcement agents can also act in cases of unlawful | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
occupation of land or property, commonly known as squatting. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
And early this morning, the sheriffs are gathering | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
in a car park in Camden in central London to enforce one of these jobs. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:21 | |
It's got a double gate roughly there. Yeah, a single gate there. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:26 | |
The double gate is where we are going to go in. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
Under the guidance of team leader Mark King, they are here to | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
evict a group of squatters who've set up camp | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
on a nearby plot of land. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:35 | |
I'm not sure what it was originally, | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
maybe a garden centre or something like that. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
I believe the people were allowed in to stay there, first off, | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
but for whatever reason, the client now wants the land back. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
The squatters are thought to have been there for at least two years. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
The owner of the land has been unable to persuade them | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
to leave peacefully and so now has obtained a writ of possession | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
authorising the sheriffs to get the site back for him. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
We're looking at about 30, possibly 40 people in there. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
Not sure until we get there, to be honest. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
Could be that they have all gone. We will see when we get round there. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
Are you by gate three? | 0:11:10 | 0:11:11 | |
Everybody ready, yeah? | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
-And once they are all in position... -Are we all set? | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
-..it is time to go in. -Yeah, let's go. All right. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
But before they rouse the occupants, | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
they want to be sure they've got the whole ground covered. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
The tents are going to be over down the side there. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
So you go and sort it out, give us a shout once you're round there. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
Once the site is secure, | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
they issue the wake-up call that is every squatter's worst nightmare. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
-High Court writ enforcement! -High Court writ enforcement! | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
-Time to wake up. -High Court enforcement. -Good morning, mate. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
-High Court writ enforcement! -Are you all right? | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
You need to pack your stuff up, you need to vacate, OK? | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
Quick as you can, please. Thank you. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
The dazed occupants have been caught off-guard. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
Pack your stuff up as quick as you can. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
And at first glance, it doesn't look like they are | 0:12:02 | 0:12:04 | |
planning to cause any trouble. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
But the sheriffs aren't going to be letting their guard down | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
until they know exactly what they are dealing with. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
-How many have we got, do you think? -I don't know yet. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
They are all over the place. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:14 | |
Enforcement! | 0:12:14 | 0:12:15 | |
Up in the attic on this bit. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
The site is littered with makeshift structures, | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
so it is hard to know where people might be, | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
and the last thing the sheriffs want is any surprises. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
Open the door, mate. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:28 | |
-I'm packing up, brother. -All right, OK. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:31 | |
-If you can just leave the door open. -Yeah. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
Yeah? This fella here is going to stay with you. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
Just make sure that you are getting on with it, yeah? | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
-How long do we have, brother? -Going to give you about an hour. OK? | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
All right? Thank you. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
At first, it seems the squatters are cooperative, if a little eccentric. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
They are quite happy, most of them. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:55 | |
They are sort of free spirits, aren't they, I suppose? | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
I suppose that's what you would call them. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
But Mark might have spoken too soon, | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
as one occupant seems to be dragging his heels. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
Have you got all your stuff? | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
I've got it here somewhere, but I'm not very happy about this. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
Oh, I'm sorry that I've upset you, but get on with it. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
-Have you got a family at home? -Yeah. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:14 | |
-Yeah? -They are all in bed at the moment. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
-They are safe. -Yeah, just get on with it, mate. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
I said I will pack it up already, | 0:13:18 | 0:13:19 | |
and I'm going to pick it up and leave. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:20 | |
Rather than standing around and arguing, can you actually...? | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
I'm not arguing, I'm just telling you friendly. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:25 | |
If you carry on, you will be removed from the site. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
No-one was expecting the squatters to be pleased, but the sheriffs | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
need to be on the lookout for tempers running out of control. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
There's an element of wounded pride, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
so, you know, you can almost expect them to... | 0:13:37 | 0:13:39 | |
..push back a little bit, but just how far? | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
One man who has been living in a tent in the yard | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
is refusing to pack his things. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
I know that this documentation is unlawful. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
I've studied law for three decades and I, unfortunately, | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
know the entire legal system of your country | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
is now in such gross fraud that we've stood away from it. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
Take a breath, take a breath. | 0:13:58 | 0:13:59 | |
It's a High Court writ, OK? Stamped by the court. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
You want to exile me from the land that I've built for the last | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
-three years, which we found abandoned... -It's not your land. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
-It doesn't belong to you. -It's God's. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
But a philosophical debate isn't on the sheriff's agenda. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
At 5.50, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
that's in 30 minutes' time, OK, | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
you are going to be leaving this property. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
If you want to take your things with you, you need to start packing up. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
-You've got 30 minutes. -How do I live? -You've got 30 minutes. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
The sheriffs can use reasonable force if necessary, | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
but it is a situation they would rather avoid, | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
so Mark is hoping his ultimatum will have the desired effect. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
I've explained to him what he needs to do. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
He's not really listening, | 0:14:38 | 0:14:39 | |
so I've given him 30 minutes to start to pack up. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
If he's starting to pack up within those 30 minutes, fine. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
We will see at 5.50 what happens. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
Later, can the sheriffs persuade the man to leave peacefully? | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
The projected image that this man is sending to me | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
is absolutely despicable. You know I read minds, don't you? | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
And I read yours and it is not pleasant. Please take it away. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
Enforcement agents Craig Wilde and Tommy Coyle are in the van | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
and on the motorway before the sun is up. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
They've got a High Court writ for more than £12,000 against | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
a member of the public and they are on their way to his home address. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
It's early in the morning. Going to see Mr Jason Holdsworth. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
It is in relation to a boat that Mr Holdsworth sold on eBay, | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
which wasn't apparently fit for purpose. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
Mr Holdsworth sold the boat to Valerie Hull. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
She and her partner had their hearts set on owning a boat, | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
and after months of deliberation, they decided to take the plunge. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:42 | |
We had retired, it seemed a good idea to be able to go to | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
the marina and have some leisure time on this boat. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
I'm not certain we will ever go out to sea on it, | 0:15:50 | 0:15:52 | |
but it just was a nice way of relaxing | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
and enjoying our retirement. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
When they found what they thought was a good deal online | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
for a Crownline 250 CR, they leapt at the opportunity. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
The pictures of it were beautiful. It was in excellent condition. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
Couldn't see any fault with it. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
And at £10,000, it seemed like a really good buy. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
The seller was Jason Holdsworth and he invited them | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
-to his house to talk it over. -It was a very amenable chat. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
He was lively, polite, welcomed us into his home. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
But there was one problem - Mr Holdsworth said | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
he needed a quick sale. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
He said that where it was moored, which was Cardiff Yacht Club, | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
he was having to pay £150 a week for it to stay there. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:39 | |
It was too far away to go and see it at short notice, | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
so fearful of losing out, | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
Valerie and her partner agreed a blind purchase. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
And the arrangement was the next day, just after nine o'clock, | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
I would put the money into his bank account by bank transfer, | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
and he would pay for having it delivered to Tewkesbury. | 0:16:55 | 0:17:01 | |
But no sooner had Valerie stumped up the cash, | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
Mr Holdsworth called to change the arrangement. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
An hour later, I got a phone call from Mr Holdsworth saying | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
we couldn't have the boat Thursday, now it would be the following week. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
And we were a little bit perplexed because we thought in that | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
time limit, we could have actually gone to Cardiff and looked at it. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
But we didn't see the point. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
I had already put the money in his bank account, so we just left it. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
The boat was delivered the following week, | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
but Valerie was in for a shock. First, there was the delivery. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
The company that had towed it there | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
asked for the fee for taking it and we said that was a part of the deal. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:40 | |
It was a free tow. He went, "No, he hasn't paid us." | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
And then there was the boat itself. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
It's damp, it's musty. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
Inside the fridge, it was rusty. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:50 | |
The front leather seats were actually torn. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
And the engine, in the engine bay, was rusty. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
There was every indication that it had gone underwater | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
at some point in its life. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
I just said, "This is just not right." | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
It didn't even have a propeller and it couldn't be put in the water. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:10 | |
An engineer came and did a report for us and he said, | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
"This engine is rusty, it is not going to turn. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
"It is never going to be any good. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
"And quite frankly, my advice is to try and get your money back | 0:18:18 | 0:18:23 | |
"because it is not going to do anything, this boat, at all." | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
The couple began trying to get their money back from Mr Holdsworth. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
They had hoped that he would be responsive, but it wasn't to be. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
We did try various things. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
We went through all the right sequences, | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
but even when we rang him on his mobile, he ignored us. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
He just cut us off. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
I don't even know whether he thinks in his own mind | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
he did anything wrong. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
Court was the only option, and the couple won their case | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
when Jason didn't attend. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
But he still hasn't paid them back and in the meantime, | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
they are forking out more than £300 a month | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
in mooring fees when they don't even have a usable boat. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
It is heartbreaking, really. We are pensioners. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
It is an incredible amount of money to lose. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
All we can do now is leave it with the sheriffs and keep our | 0:19:09 | 0:19:11 | |
fingers crossed and hope that they will be able to do something for us. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:16 | |
Tommy and Craig are on the outskirts of Birmingham. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
More than 60 miles from the nearest coastline, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
it is an unlikely location to find a boat dealer. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
Nevertheless, it appears to be where Mr Holdsworth lives. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
They think they're on the right road, | 0:19:36 | 0:19:37 | |
but there is no sign of any boat conveniently sitting on a driveway. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
Also, all the houses here just seem to have numbers | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
when they've only been given a name. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
Can't see it, mate. I think it is back there. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
-But Craig thinks he has worked it out. -It's this one here. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
So, they pull up and try their luck. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
Hello, sir. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
Sorry to disturb you. I'm trying to find a property called The Stables. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
Any idea? | 0:20:03 | 0:20:04 | |
But the man says that this isn't it and he's not Jason. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
You are not him, no, and this isn't The Stables? Right. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
But something tells Craig that the man knows more than he's letting on. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
On the back of your jacket, it has got Holdsworth. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
And that's not all. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:22 | |
So, is Jason your son, is he, or something? | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
And this is The Stables, yeah? | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
Down the bottom there, on the brick. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
Craig is right on the money. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:34 | |
The man shows him ID. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
Fantastic. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:38 | |
And he is indeed Jason's father. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
He says Jason doesn't live here and he'll try to get him on the phone. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
A bit early for him, I suppose, innit? | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
What do you do yourself? | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
Construction. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:55 | |
Oh, right, yeah. New builds. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
Craig is not getting far with his small talk | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
and Mr Holdsworth senior heads off for a meeting, | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
leaving the sheriffs alone on the driveway. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
Just as they wonder what to do next, Jason appears on foot. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:15 | |
-You all right? -Hello, mate. Jason is it? | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
I'm Mr Wilde. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
Not too bad. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:21 | |
It's to do with a High Court writ. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:23 | |
A court order for... | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
..Valerie Hull. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
She has obviously took a court order against you. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
For some boat or something you sold her on. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:33 | |
Jason clearly knows all about the case | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
and invites the sheriffs in to explain. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
The balance stands at the moment at just over £12,000. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
What, it's gone up by £2,000? | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
At the moment, you've incurred £1,200 enforcement fees, | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
£535 judgment costs and £129 interest. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:55 | |
It's more bad news for Jason. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
Sheriffs don't work for free and by not paying the court order | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
when it was due, the bill has gone up. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
Are you in a position to pay that? | 0:22:03 | 0:22:04 | |
No. Well, what happens with the boat that she's got of mine? | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
It is worth £12, £15,000. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
The order that I got at the moment | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
is just to recover the money from you. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
When he didn't defend the case in court, | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
Ms Hull was granted a default judgment, | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
and Jason lost his chance to ask for the return of the boat | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
to be included on the order. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
Craig doesn't do boat delivery. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
He's just here for the money owed. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
All right, well, can I pay that this weekend? | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
You can... We have to collect that today. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
-Um... -We can... -What time? | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
I can, yeah - | 0:22:37 | 0:22:38 | |
I'm just waiting for some money to come through from another boat today | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
-which is 12.5. -Right. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:43 | |
But he hasn't paid yet this morning. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:45 | |
-Right, OK. -I can pay it, but like I said, | 0:22:45 | 0:22:46 | |
-I even checked this morning, it hasn't come through yet. -Right. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
As soon as that's in, I'll pay the balance, that's fine. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
Can't I pay £1,000 now and then pay the rest shortly? | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
The Stables is where you live, | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
-which is further just down the lane, is it? -Yes. | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
-Have you got a vehicle? -Yeah, I've got two cars. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
If I can list something now, you sign the form, | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
it acts as security. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
Provided Jason's vehicles are worth enough, | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
then a control of goods agreement could be the answer. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
It would effectively give the sheriffs ownership of the cars | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
until the debt is paid off. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
Jason's house is close by, | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
and on arrival, the sheriffs see just what they want on the driveway. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
There's his Jag there. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:26 | |
INAUDIBLE | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
Range Rover. And the pick-up behind. That'll do. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
Only one of the cars is on finance, and the other two will do nicely, | 0:23:33 | 0:23:38 | |
so Craig gets straight down to business. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
The two vehicles for security, | 0:23:41 | 0:23:43 | |
if I can get you to sign | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
-and, er, print your name there for me. -Sure. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
The deal is done, but Jason isn't particularly happy about it. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:54 | |
He still says there was nothing wrong with the boat he sold Ms Hull. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
What I think happened is they found out it's going to be £5,000 a year | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
to keep the boat in the water, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
and they didn't want the boat any more, | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
so they basically... I said, | 0:24:04 | 0:24:05 | |
"Look, if you want to bring the boat back to the yard, | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
"get it delivered back to the yard on a trailer, | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
"then we can have a look at refunding your money," | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
didn't hear anything back for a few months, | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
and then got the court letter saying that I owed £7,500. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:19 | |
I rang my solicitor, she dealt with it all, they've sent me a letter | 0:24:19 | 0:24:23 | |
which I haven't received. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:24 | |
-OK, lovely. -Cheers. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
-Cheers, guys. -See you. Take care. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
Nevertheless, the court made its decision | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
and Jason must now pay his debt in full. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:35 | |
The sheriffs are confident he will. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
I think they've got the money all day long, | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
they're going to pay, ten o'clock, in full. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
Clearly, he signed control of the goods, of his vehicles, over to the court, | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
so if they don't pay, we'll be back this afternoon to remove them. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
Mr Holdsworth did indeed settle his bill later in the day | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
and Valerie has finally got her money back. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
Absolutely brilliant. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
We can now carry on with our retirement, | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
hopefully look forward to getting back on the water, | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
with another boat, new boat. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
We're just so happy that we've got the money back. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:08 | |
And she has some words of advice for any other prospective boat buyers. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
Don't do what we did. Always go and view something like this before you purchase it. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:17 | |
That's a definite, | 0:25:17 | 0:25:18 | |
but if you do get in the same position, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
don't give up. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:22 | |
Back in Barnet, Sheriff Ken Warby is still in a high-street locksmiths - | 0:25:31 | 0:25:36 | |
All Service For You Ltd - | 0:25:36 | 0:25:37 | |
trying to convince the boss to pay up £2,311. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:43 | |
He says he's happy to pay the original court award, | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
but not the extra fees incurred | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
after he didn't pay and the case was transferred to the sheriffs. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
He's spoken to his solicitor. His solicitor has advised him to pay. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
He's still not having it, he's just being very stubborn. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
The police are still on their way because he says no-one's going | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
to be removing goods from here. Hopefully, when the police turn up, | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
they will advise him that we can remove goods from here | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
and he'll pay the debt in full. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
Sorry, sir. I'm going to have to crack on with this. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
So your charges will now apply, OK? You have been warned. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
Ken calls for a removal truck... | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
meaning even more fees. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
And he begins to make an inventory of assets in the shop. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
But the boss isn't being very helpful. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
Let's start with the key machine over there. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
So, show me proof it's not yours. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:43 | |
OK. And the stock, for example? | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
OK. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:52 | |
Not really, not if we can help it. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
You sure have. | 0:26:58 | 0:26:59 | |
Ken's not sure of a door lock's auction value, | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
but he's likely to need a lot of them to get close to the value of | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
the debt. So he needs to list everything he can find. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
Only the boss isn't happy with him looking around. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
I can go wherever I want, mate. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:15 | |
It's under the same roof. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
The man once again sends our camera outside... | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
..locks the doors and closes the shutters. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
Ken puts another call in to the police. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
And they arrive shortly afterwards. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
Hello? | 0:27:48 | 0:27:49 | |
Hello, it's the police. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
Can you open the door, please? Thank you. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
The police are let in, | 0:27:57 | 0:27:58 | |
and it's still a relatively good-natured atmosphere inside. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:02 | |
But as the boss continues to repeat the same arguments Ken's been | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
listening to for the past two and a half hours, | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
patience is wearing thin. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
The eventual sight of the removal truck is welcome relief. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:15 | |
Ken's hoping that will provide the incentive for the boss to pay. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:19 | |
Come in when you're ready, mate. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
With a police escort, Ken and the removals man get to work. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
But even when faced with the prospect of an almost completely | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
empty store, the boss still doesn't cave in. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:34 | |
Now the police have arrived, now the removal guy's arrived, | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
he's now claiming that there's other companies in here | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
that own certain things, so we're looking for invoices and stuff | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
on that now as proof. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
It's looking at the moment like he's not going to pay it. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:50 | |
He's digging his heels in, so I'm going to have to do the same. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
And so the excruciating task of comparing thousands of locks | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
and parts against individual receipts continues. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
Finally, as the first box of his stuff is set down in the lorry, | 0:29:01 | 0:29:05 | |
the boss reaches for his credit card and pays in full. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:09 | |
The saga is finally over. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:11 | |
The guy turned up to remove them, | 0:29:11 | 0:29:13 | |
and his bottle went. I knew he'd pay in the end. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
Despite a judge rejecting his appeal, | 0:29:22 | 0:29:24 | |
the man is still convinced he's in the right. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
He says Mr Mullany tried to get the damage done to his door fixed | 0:29:27 | 0:29:31 | |
after their standard guarantee had expired. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
But he's not helped himself. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
By failing to pay when he was ordered to | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
after the first court hearing, | 0:29:51 | 0:29:52 | |
and again when Ken turned up this morning, | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
his final bill is more than double the original judgment. | 0:29:55 | 0:30:00 | |
He's ended up paying a hell of a lot more than | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
what I originally went in there for, to the tune of over £1,500. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:08 | |
The boss might be wishing today had panned out differently, | 0:30:08 | 0:30:12 | |
but back in Stockport, his customer, Pete Mullany, | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
is more than happy with the outcome. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:17 | |
I'm just over the moon, really relieved. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
The main thing now is to get this door repaired. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
I think everyone has a good laugh at it when they come in now | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
and see the state that it's in at the minute. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
When a business which is still trading owes money, | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
more often than not, a single visit | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
from the sheriffs is enough to get payment. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
But on other occasions, | 0:30:46 | 0:30:48 | |
the sheriffs can find themselves | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
banging on the door time after time to get their claimant's money. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:54 | |
In the Midlands, enforcement agents Craig Wild and Tommy Coyle | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
are about to be given the runaround by a steel tubing company. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
So we're off to Wolverhampton today. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:02 | |
We're off to go and see a company called Infinity Tubes Ltd. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:06 | |
Infinity Tubes Ltd owe just over £2,300. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:11 | |
They were taken to court | 0:31:11 | 0:31:12 | |
by army gunner turned salesman Paul Warren from Blackburn. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:16 | |
He'd been looking for a new job | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
when a recruitment company put him in touch with the Midlands start-up. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
Infinity Tubes was looking to be a specialist in ERW. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:28 | |
ERW is an electro-resistant welded tube, | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
for example, an exhaust. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
It's a strong but very lightweight product. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
The downside to it is it's very, very cheap, | 0:31:36 | 0:31:40 | |
and you have to sell a lot of it, | 0:31:40 | 0:31:42 | |
and I mean... | 0:31:42 | 0:31:43 | |
tens of tonnes of it to get a good return on it. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:47 | |
With 13 years of sales experience in the steel industry, | 0:31:47 | 0:31:52 | |
Paul had built up a long list of customer contacts | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
and thought he could be just the man for the job. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
I drove down to Birmingham, | 0:31:58 | 0:32:00 | |
met with them once, | 0:32:00 | 0:32:02 | |
and I said, "Yeah, I'll give it a shot, I'll see what I can do for you." | 0:32:02 | 0:32:06 | |
Paul started working from home for the company. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
However, it wasn't long before it became clear Infinity Tubes | 0:32:09 | 0:32:13 | |
still had a lot of work to do | 0:32:13 | 0:32:15 | |
before he was going to be able to deliver the sales they needed. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:19 | |
I soon realised, within a week, | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
ten days, they really weren't geared up, | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
and I explained to them, "You haven't even got | 0:32:25 | 0:32:27 | |
"a computer system - you don't even have an e-mail!" | 0:32:27 | 0:32:30 | |
And they said, "Well, whatever you need, tell us." | 0:32:30 | 0:32:32 | |
I said, "I need price lists, | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
"I can't go into customers without price lists," | 0:32:34 | 0:32:36 | |
so he wouldn't supply the documentation and the prices | 0:32:36 | 0:32:40 | |
that I needed to seal the deal. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:42 | |
Paul only stayed a few weeks before resigning, | 0:32:42 | 0:32:46 | |
working out his notice period and returning the company car. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:50 | |
But to his surprise, his final week's wages, | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
along with some expenses and holiday pay, didn't show up. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:57 | |
I rung him, wouldn't answer, rung him, wouldn't answer, | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
I texted him and said, "Can you please pay me the wage?" | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
The text back I got was, "Give me your customer list and we'll pay you the wage." | 0:33:03 | 0:33:07 | |
So customer lists are bread and butter. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:09 | |
They're everything, they're your worth. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
Paul refused, and the money never came. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
I found it more than unfair. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
We've got bills to pay, it was Christmas, | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
and suddenly we defaulted on two payments out of our bank | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
because we thought, we didn't even give it two thoughts | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
that we weren't going to get paid. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
Mr Shilvock, meanwhile, was showing no signs of budging. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:33 | |
So I said, "OK, then, I'll see you in court." | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
Paul filed a claim online, | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
and as is standard practice, | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
the court initially offered mediation between the two parties. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
Paul agreed to accept a part-payment | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
in order to bring the matter to a close, | 0:33:45 | 0:33:47 | |
and it looked like they had a deal. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
We were notified by the magistrates that he's agreed and we've agreed | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
and then, with about two days to go, | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
he suddenly said no, he weren't going to. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
He wasn't paying a penny. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:00 | |
So instead, Paul had his day in court. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:04 | |
Mr Shilvock never showed up, and Paul won a judgment by default. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:09 | |
Four weeks later, when he still hadn't been paid, | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
something on the television caught his attention. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
I were sat here and on the TV was your programme. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:20 | |
I went, "Hang on... | 0:34:20 | 0:34:22 | |
"They're sheriffs." | 0:34:22 | 0:34:24 | |
And my wife said, "Why don't we use the sheriffs?" | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
I've got a lot of faith in it | 0:34:27 | 0:34:29 | |
that this will put an end to it, hopefully. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
Back in Wolverhampton, Tommy and Craig are approaching | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
the address they've been given for the company. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
That's the Central Trading Estate in there - | 0:34:45 | 0:34:47 | |
unit 25 we're after, matey boy. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:49 | |
But as they turn into the site, they get their first inkling | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
that this job isn't going to be straightforward. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
There you go, Infinity Welding Limited. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
It's not quite the name they were expecting to see. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
Look at that, mate. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:03 | |
Although Infinity Welding Limited's likely to be a connected company, | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
the sheriffs would only be able to remove assets here | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
if they're owned by the named debtor, Infinity Tubes Limited. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:15 | |
But for now, ownership is the least of their problems. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
The unit is shut, and looks like it's been abandoned. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:21 | |
It's not looking good at all. It should be open by now. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
With the debtor no longer present and no sign of any assets, | 0:35:24 | 0:35:28 | |
there's nothing more the sheriffs can do here. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
Unfortunately for Mr Warren at the moment, | 0:35:31 | 0:35:33 | |
it's a case where we would have to look to trace the company | 0:35:33 | 0:35:35 | |
to another address, if they're still trading, and pursue it later on. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:39 | |
The sheriffs call it quits for now, | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
but a few weeks later, they are once again back on the road. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:48 | |
The directors of the company are Dean and Debbie Shilvock. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:52 | |
The sheriffs have run a trace on the names | 0:35:52 | 0:35:54 | |
and it's come back with a residential address. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
-It looks like there's somebody home. -Someone there? -Top-floor window. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:01 | |
-Hello, sir. -All right. -Dean and Debbie Shilvock. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
Is that yourself? Mr Wilde from the Sheriffs Office. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
What's that for? | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
With a High Court writ. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:10 | |
It's Dean Shilvock, one of the directors of Infinity Tubes Limited. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:15 | |
He doesn't want our camera on his drive | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
so we have to leave while Craig explains he's here to collect | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
just over two grand. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:23 | |
Mr Shilvock and his wife say they are willing to pay, but in stages. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:29 | |
As it's unlikely there are assets here | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
belonging to the debtor company, | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
the sheriffs have little leverage, and it's an offer | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
they are willing to consider. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
We'll forward that on to the claimant. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:40 | |
It's down to him whether he wants to accept it or not. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
But just when it looks like a done deal, | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
Dean offers to go one step further | 0:36:46 | 0:36:48 | |
and pay in full the following day. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
Craig can hardly believe his luck. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:53 | |
The website's there, all self-explanatory. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:57 | |
Put your reference number in, and then put your debit card in | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
and it will give you an authorisation code. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
All right? Cheers. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:04 | |
-Thanks, guys. -Bye-bye. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:06 | |
I think that went pretty well. for a home address at least. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:08 | |
We'll give them the benefit of the doubt, we'll give them 24 hours | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
to pay the bill, and if they do, happy days. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
But later on, Craig and Tommy are forced to come knocking once more. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:19 | |
In London, the sheriffs are at a squat in Camden Town. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:29 | |
Morning! | 0:37:29 | 0:37:30 | |
The man who owns the land originally allowed the squatters to stay | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
but now wants it back. As expected, they are not best pleased. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
You will be removed. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:41 | |
Physically. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:42 | |
And outside, another man isn't cooperating either. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
You know I read minds, don't you, and I read yours | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
and it's not pleasant. Please, take it away. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
We'll keep hanging in with him, keep playing his game | 0:37:50 | 0:37:52 | |
for a little while, and eventually enough will be enough | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
where he may have to be helped off site. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
And he's not the only squatter sailing close to the wind. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
If you touch me, sir, and you want to remove me, I don't know | 0:38:01 | 0:38:05 | |
if that's the best thing to do | 0:38:05 | 0:38:06 | |
because obviously you don't have any powers. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
I do have power to do that. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:10 | |
And as the man continues to be obstructive, enough is enough. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
I don't respond to you. Don't touch me, don't touch me! | 0:38:14 | 0:38:18 | |
You're going to get your stuff. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:20 | |
Don't touch me! | 0:38:22 | 0:38:23 | |
I haven't said anything to you, I haven't done anything to you. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
You're going, mate. You're too gobby. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
I'm not too gobby. What's going on here? | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
You've had the opportunity. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:33 | |
He's stopped complying with what he should be doing. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:36 | |
He's just standing around being an issue. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
If he just carries on like that, the others are going to start | 0:38:41 | 0:38:45 | |
going along with his view. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:47 | |
Meanwhile, back inside the squat, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
the sheriffs are still battling with the man in the tent | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
who now says he's ill. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:57 | |
-Are you unwell? -Yes, I am. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
Seriously unwell, I really have been for the last three years. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:02 | |
Do you want me to get you an ambulance? | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
I don't know what's going to happen. You may as well get me a nurse. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
I live in a tent in a garden, not out of choice but out of force | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
because you people threw me out of my last life | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
because I challenged the system and refused to wear a name. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:16 | |
But the sheriffs have held it all now, so after 45 minutes | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
of arguing and endless excuses, the man is given some assistance. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:23 | |
I have done nothing to these people. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
They are now depriving me from any ability to live. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
Put him down gently, Steve. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
I have my rights! | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
With the troublemakers now off the site, | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
the sheriffs need to chivvy the rest of the squatters along. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
I can see you've got your breakfast. Have you got everything else? | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
-Are you taking the bike? -It's mine. Yeah. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
After being on the site for three years, | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
some of the squatters have a lot of possessions. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:50 | |
Luckily, they've also got a couple of vans, | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
which is making the process a bit easier. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
Think we've got about half out at the moment. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
The majority have been OK. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
It's just a couple that have had to be removed | 0:40:00 | 0:40:02 | |
because they're not doing what we've asked them to do. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:06 | |
Meanwhile, the police have arrived, at the request of | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
one of the squatters, | 0:40:09 | 0:40:10 | |
who is convinced that the eviction is illegal. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
But once the police see the sheriffs' paperwork, | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
it becomes clear to them | 0:40:16 | 0:40:17 | |
it's the squatters who are on the wrong side of the law. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
OK, we'll go and hang out the front | 0:40:19 | 0:40:21 | |
and just make sure no-one's getting in the property. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:23 | |
-Thank you. -OK? | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
As the final squatters gather their belongings and leave, | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
the temperature again starts to rise. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:31 | |
HE SHRIEKS | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
# Garden community! | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
# Garden community Garden community! # | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
The squatters are gathering outside and making themselves heard. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
SHOUTING | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
Not that the sheriffs are worried. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:48 | |
I think it's a case of "much sound and fury doth signify nothing". | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
And with the site confirmed as clear of squatters, attention turns to | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
making sure they don't get back in and securing the site for the owner. | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
It's going to be a difficult place to secure up. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:02 | |
Ideally, they're going to want security guards here, | 0:41:02 | 0:41:06 | |
but whether he chooses that or not... | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
If he doesn't, they'll probably be back in straight away. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
The other thing the sheriffs can do | 0:41:10 | 0:41:12 | |
is make sure there's nothing much to come back to. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
As long as their makeshift homes are still standing, | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
this site will continue to be a draw for the squatters, | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
so the owner has asked the sheriffs to remove them. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
SHOUTING | 0:41:24 | 0:41:25 | |
Unsurprisingly, it only winds the squatters up more. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:29 | |
Please stop destroying my home! | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
My belongings are inside! | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
SHOUTING | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
Why are you destroying our garden? | 0:41:39 | 0:41:41 | |
Why are you destroying our beautiful garden? | 0:41:41 | 0:41:45 | |
But the time has now come for the squatters to move on, | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
and Mark is confident they will. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
There's still people coming back and forwards. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:52 | |
They've got stuff in there which we are letting them on to get, | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
escorting them on, and they're all outside still, | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
all being very verbal. But as the day goes on, they'll peter out. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:05 | |
Thanks to the sheriffs, | 0:42:05 | 0:42:07 | |
the land is back in the hands of its rightful owner. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
In the Midlands, Tommy and Craig are on the road again chasing | 0:42:15 | 0:42:19 | |
an outstanding debt, owed by steel company Infinity Tubes Ltd. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:23 | |
It owes more than £2,000 | 0:42:23 | 0:42:25 | |
after being taken to court by former employee Paul Warren. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:29 | |
The sheriffs have already visited | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
the company's former business premises... | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
There you go, Infinity Welding Ltd! | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
..and the directors' home. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:37 | |
But today they find themselves making a return visit. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
We're going to go and see Mr and Mrs Shilvock, who we've been to before. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:44 | |
They said they'll pay. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
We gave them seven days to produce the payment, | 0:42:46 | 0:42:50 | |
which Mr Shilvock said he would do the following day. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:52 | |
Our office have informed us that that hasn't happened, | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
so we're off today to see why it hasn't happened. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:59 | |
The sheriffs pull up at the address and head in. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
KNOCK ON DOOR | 0:43:05 | 0:43:06 | |
Hiya, Debbie. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:08 | |
Company director Debbie Shilvock has answered the door, but | 0:43:08 | 0:43:12 | |
she isn't happy about the sheriffs turning up here for a second time. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
The main bone of contention she's just mentioned then | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
is because it's a limited company | 0:43:18 | 0:43:19 | |
we shouldn't be attending the home address. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:21 | |
However, two factors in that - | 0:43:21 | 0:43:23 | |
A, we haven't got the new company address, | 0:43:23 | 0:43:25 | |
because they've moved from the old address. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:28 | |
And the second factor is, with a court order, | 0:43:29 | 0:43:32 | |
we can go anywhere in England and Wales where we can find | 0:43:32 | 0:43:34 | |
the assets of the defendant, in this particular case a limited company. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:38 | |
Company assets like the office desk, computer, printer, laptop, | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
it could all be in there. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:43 | |
Probably not, because they've got another premises | 0:43:43 | 0:43:45 | |
they trade out of, but it doesn't stop us from coming here legally. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:49 | |
The sheriffs can attend anywhere a debtor carries out a trade | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
or business in order to get paid. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:55 | |
With Debbie's husband and co-director Dean now apparently | 0:43:55 | 0:43:58 | |
on his way, they're hoping that's what's about to happen. | 0:43:58 | 0:44:01 | |
We're going to wait for her husband to come here and try | 0:44:02 | 0:44:05 | |
and elicit the payment from the husband, | 0:44:05 | 0:44:07 | |
who was quite keen last time to try and get it resolved. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:10 | |
So, erm, I can't understand why they haven't paid it. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:13 | |
Ten minutes later, Dean pulls up. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:17 | |
Perhaps he can explain why, more than four months after the court | 0:44:17 | 0:44:20 | |
ruled against Infinity Tubes Ltd, | 0:44:20 | 0:44:22 | |
the company still hasn't settled its debt. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:25 | |
Hiya, Dean. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:28 | |
Mr Shilvock heads inside with the sheriffs, where he explains that | 0:44:28 | 0:44:31 | |
he believes the court's decision was unfair and wants to challenge it. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:36 | |
Craig explains that, while he can appeal, | 0:44:36 | 0:44:38 | |
for now the bill needs paying. Soon Tommy emerges with news. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:43 | |
Yeah, we've had a conversation with them. They're looking to pay us. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:46 | |
They are going back to court, but we explained it's not going to go away. | 0:44:46 | 0:44:50 | |
We've come back for a second time now. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:52 | |
So they've agreed to pay it, so it's getting the card machine, | 0:44:52 | 0:44:55 | |
going to facilitate the payment. | 0:44:55 | 0:44:57 | |
Tommy goes back inside, where, sure enough, the bill is settled in full. | 0:44:57 | 0:45:00 | |
But while Tommy heads back to the van, | 0:45:02 | 0:45:04 | |
Craig appears to have got distracted. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
I bet when it fires up you wake all the neighbours up, Dean. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:09 | |
Dean's Ford Mustang has caught his eye | 0:45:09 | 0:45:12 | |
and its proud owner is more than happy to show it off. | 0:45:12 | 0:45:16 | |
-Oh, looking at the car now. -Five-litre. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:18 | |
Oh, look, it's kicked in now, look. Yeah. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:22 | |
Longest ever conversation with our Craig. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:24 | |
I bet you want to book yourself into a track, don't you? | 0:45:24 | 0:45:27 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:45:27 | 0:45:29 | |
A Mustang's a nice bit of kit. Lovely bit of kit. I like my motors. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:33 | |
Very, very nippy. And Dean quite likes it, as well, obviously. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:37 | |
As for the debt, Craig's satisfied with the day's outcome. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:41 | |
They've done the decent and right thing by paying it in full. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:45 | |
In fact, Infinity Tubes Ltd never did go back to court. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:49 | |
And in Blackburn, Paul Warren has finally got the money he's owed. | 0:45:49 | 0:45:53 | |
The sheriffs have contacted us, | 0:45:53 | 0:45:55 | |
saying that they've recovered the full money from Infinity Tubes, | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
which is fantastic for us. It's been a long journey, in our eyes. | 0:45:58 | 0:46:02 | |
We never thought that we'd get to this day, but we are. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:05 | |
It's a great result and a big, big weight off our minds. Fantastic. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:09 | |
In the capital, Lawrence and Kev are slogging through | 0:46:15 | 0:46:18 | |
the mid-morning traffic on their way to collect another unpaid debt. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:22 | |
We're in central London, actually, just near Earl's Court. | 0:46:22 | 0:46:25 | |
We're going to see Berkeley Credit and Guarantee Ltd. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:29 | |
I think it's some sort of finance company. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:31 | |
They owe £16,251. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:35 | |
Berkeley Credit and Guarantee Ltd | 0:46:39 | 0:46:41 | |
was taken to court by their landlord for unpaid rent. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
The company defended the case in court but lost | 0:46:44 | 0:46:48 | |
and was ordered to pay their debt plus costs. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
Six months later, it still hasn't done so. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:54 | |
Now it's down to the sheriffs to collect. | 0:46:54 | 0:46:57 | |
It's a tough one to call, this. | 0:46:57 | 0:46:58 | |
It's going to be an office, we're in the middle of London. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:01 | |
At a guess, you'd say they're not going to have too many assets. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:04 | |
It's quite a lot of money we're after, as well, but... | 0:47:04 | 0:47:07 | |
ever hopeful. | 0:47:07 | 0:47:09 | |
There it is, there. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:12 | |
-Yeah. -It's like one of these money express places. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:14 | |
Well, at least there should be some cash on site. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:18 | |
Whether it'll stretch to £16,000 is another matter. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:22 | |
The sheriffs are about to find out. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
Morning. I'm looking for Berkeley Credit and Guarantee Ltd. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
Berkeley Credit and Guarantee Ltd? | 0:47:38 | 0:47:40 | |
Bizarrely, despite branding everywhere which suggests they're | 0:47:40 | 0:47:44 | |
in the right place, the cashier says that's not who he works for. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:48 | |
Is there anyone here from them, then? | 0:47:48 | 0:47:50 | |
No? This is their registered office. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:53 | |
The man thinks it isn't, so Lawrence sets him straight. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:56 | |
-There you are. It says so on this door. -It says there on the door. | 0:47:56 | 0:47:59 | |
It does. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:03 | |
So, have you got contact with them upstairs? | 0:48:03 | 0:48:05 | |
There's no buzzer, no intercom? | 0:48:05 | 0:48:07 | |
KNOCKS ON DOOR | 0:48:07 | 0:48:10 | |
The cashier doesn't seem to know very much. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:12 | |
But there is one thing he's sure of. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:14 | |
-There's no-one there. -There's nobody there. How do you know? | 0:48:15 | 0:48:20 | |
You've never seen it open. What time do you get here in the morning? | 0:48:20 | 0:48:23 | |
Nine thirty, yeah. What time do you leave? | 0:48:23 | 0:48:26 | |
Five thirty. And you've never seen anybody come in or out the door? | 0:48:26 | 0:48:30 | |
They are getting some answers at last, | 0:48:30 | 0:48:32 | |
even if they're not very useful. Lawrence tries a different tack. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:36 | |
I've got a number on the file... so I'm going to give it a ring. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:42 | |
Hello there. My name's Mr Grix. I'm an enforcement agent. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:45 | |
I'm looking for Berkeley Credit and Guarantee Ltd. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:48 | |
Right, I'm basically here with a High Court writ which orders me | 0:48:48 | 0:48:52 | |
to take control of the goods of the company which can be | 0:48:52 | 0:48:54 | |
sold at auction to clear a debt. | 0:48:54 | 0:48:57 | |
And as this is commercial premises, | 0:48:57 | 0:48:59 | |
I can force entry with a locksmith, if necessary... | 0:48:59 | 0:49:02 | |
..to search for company assets and remove them. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:06 | |
It seems to do the trick. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:08 | |
Yeah, if somebody wants to come here | 0:49:08 | 0:49:10 | |
and pay in cash, yes, that's fine. Bye-bye. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:13 | |
She's asked for half an hour to get it sorted. | 0:49:14 | 0:49:17 | |
So who knows? | 0:49:19 | 0:49:21 | |
From what had seemed like a bit of a dead end, | 0:49:21 | 0:49:24 | |
suddenly this job's looking up. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:26 | |
A few minutes later, the cashier beckons Lawrence over. | 0:49:26 | 0:49:30 | |
Call from head office. And...have your number, please? | 0:49:30 | 0:49:35 | |
Whose head office is this? Yours? | 0:49:35 | 0:49:37 | |
Or the company I'm looking for? | 0:49:38 | 0:49:40 | |
Once again, communication is difficult. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:43 | |
Oh, whatever. I don't know why you don't speak into that microphone. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:46 | |
I might be able to hear you. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:48 | |
One way or another, though, head office does get through. | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:49:51 | 0:49:53 | |
Hello. Mr Grix speaking. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:55 | |
Hello there. | 0:49:57 | 0:49:59 | |
No, it needs to be full payment. I can't believe that a company | 0:49:59 | 0:50:01 | |
such as yourselves can't rustle up £16,000, to be honest. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:05 | |
Well, you had a turnover last time | 0:50:06 | 0:50:08 | |
you submitted your books of 1.8 million. | 0:50:08 | 0:50:10 | |
So I can't believe that you can't come up with £16,000. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:14 | |
I know what you're saying, it's short notice, but it's not | 0:50:14 | 0:50:17 | |
short notice, because it's been all through the County Court, | 0:50:17 | 0:50:20 | |
we've sent a notice of enforcement, | 0:50:20 | 0:50:22 | |
there's been plenty of paperwork to do with this, | 0:50:22 | 0:50:24 | |
but somebody's either ignored it or buried their heads in the sand, | 0:50:24 | 0:50:29 | |
and it's now crunch day. OK? | 0:50:29 | 0:50:31 | |
Bye-bye. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:34 | |
She's spoken to somebody, and they can pay half the money now | 0:50:35 | 0:50:39 | |
and the balance on Friday. | 0:50:39 | 0:50:40 | |
Erm, but at the moment, I've said no to that, because they've | 0:50:40 | 0:50:43 | |
managed to come up with half the money very, very quickly. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:47 | |
And we'll see what she comes back with in half an hour. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:50 | |
In fact, he only has to wait a few minutes for an improved offer. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:54 | |
-PHONE RINGS -Hello, Mr Grix speaking. | 0:50:54 | 0:50:58 | |
It's not for the full amount, but it's enough. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:02 | |
Yeah, if you make that by immediate payment and just give me a buzz | 0:51:02 | 0:51:05 | |
when it's done, providing the balance hits the account | 0:51:05 | 0:51:07 | |
by close of business Friday, then that'll be the matter dealt with. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:11 | |
OK? Thanks. Bye-bye. | 0:51:12 | 0:51:14 | |
Going to make a £10,000 payment in the next couple of minutes | 0:51:16 | 0:51:19 | |
and then the balance on Friday. It's Wednesday, so I can live with that. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:24 | |
Lawrence soon gets confirmation | 0:51:24 | 0:51:26 | |
that the first payment's been made... | 0:51:26 | 0:51:28 | |
-£10,000 is in. -..leaves a receipt... | 0:51:28 | 0:51:30 | |
They know I'm leaving it with you, | 0:51:30 | 0:51:32 | |
and I'm presuming somebody will come and collect it at some point. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:35 | |
..and is on his way, pleasantly surprised. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:38 | |
They offered half the debt initially. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:40 | |
I insisted on full payment. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:42 | |
They came back sort of ten minutes later with an offer of £10,000. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:46 | |
And, really, in the situation where I hadn't even got into the office | 0:51:46 | 0:51:50 | |
and it looks like they don't even use the office so I'd have to | 0:51:50 | 0:51:53 | |
use locksmiths to get in, I think that's a pretty good result, really. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:57 | |
Berkeley Credit and Guarantee Ltd later made the second payment, | 0:51:57 | 0:52:02 | |
and their landlord finally got the money they were owed. | 0:52:02 | 0:52:04 | |
If you've won a County Court judgment and haven't been paid, | 0:52:09 | 0:52:12 | |
for £66 you can get the case transferred up to the High Court, | 0:52:12 | 0:52:16 | |
which will issue a writ for enforcement by the sheriffs. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:20 | |
My job is to collect in full or remove goods. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:24 | |
They've got special powers of entry. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:27 | |
We don't have to take any notice of your security protocol, I'm afraid. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
And there's no limit on the size of the debts they can pursue. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:33 | |
£1.6 million. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:36 | |
If they're successful, they'll recover your money | 0:52:36 | 0:52:39 | |
and costs from the debtor... | 0:52:39 | 0:52:41 | |
You've got the cash now, then? | 0:52:41 | 0:52:42 | |
..as well as their own fees, which are set by the Government. | 0:52:42 | 0:52:45 | |
-She's paid, the judgment is settled. -Thank you very much. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:49 | |
If the sheriffs can't get your money, | 0:52:49 | 0:52:51 | |
they'll ask you to pay a fee of £75 plus VAT. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:56 | |
In the south-east, Lawrence and Kev are on their way to collect | 0:53:00 | 0:53:03 | |
money owed by a car dealer's. | 0:53:03 | 0:53:06 | |
We're going to Walton Motors. It's a 4x4 showroom. A family-run business. | 0:53:06 | 0:53:12 | |
This debt was incurred. It's a refund for a car. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:16 | |
The claimant wasn't happy with the vehicle | 0:53:16 | 0:53:18 | |
they'd bought from Walton Motors and so took them to court. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:21 | |
When the dealership didn't defend the case, | 0:53:21 | 0:53:24 | |
judgment was found against them and they were ordered to refund him. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:27 | |
But two months on, they haven't done so. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:30 | |
They owe £6,045. | 0:53:30 | 0:53:32 | |
So we're going to go and get that. | 0:53:37 | 0:53:39 | |
This won't be the first time Lawrence has been to the dealer's. | 0:53:39 | 0:53:42 | |
I bought an Isuzu Trooper off them years ago. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:45 | |
To be fair, I never had any trouble with it. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:47 | |
He's hoping today's visit will also be plain sailing. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:51 | |
Hell, look at that. They've obviously expanded, haven't they? | 0:53:51 | 0:53:56 | |
Not only that, but they now seem to have a large stock | 0:53:56 | 0:53:59 | |
of one of car buff Lawrence's favourite motors. | 0:53:59 | 0:54:02 | |
They're obviously specialising in Land Rovers now. | 0:54:02 | 0:54:05 | |
You're going to love this, as well, ain't you? | 0:54:05 | 0:54:07 | |
It's like you've died and gone to Heaven. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:09 | |
-Yeah. -And there's another reason to be cheerful. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:12 | |
The large number of cars bodes well for getting paid. | 0:54:12 | 0:54:16 | |
But will it be without any argument? | 0:54:16 | 0:54:18 | |
-Hiya. -Morning. You're in charge at the moment, yeah? -Not really. | 0:54:18 | 0:54:21 | |
Well, you'll do. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:23 | |
My name's Mr Grix. I'm an enforcement agent. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:25 | |
We're ordered out today to take control of goods to clear a debt. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:28 | |
The boss isn't here, but the staff quickly get him on the phone. | 0:54:28 | 0:54:32 | |
-Morning, sir. -And Lawrence doesn't beat around the bush. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:36 | |
My colleague and I are here today | 0:54:36 | 0:54:38 | |
with a High Court writ against Walton Motors. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:41 | |
We're ordered here to take control of goods | 0:54:41 | 0:54:43 | |
to the value of £6,045.14... | 0:54:43 | 0:54:46 | |
and the only way to prevent further action is pay in full. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:49 | |
At first, it doesn't seem to be ringing any bells with the boss, | 0:54:49 | 0:54:52 | |
-so Lawrence tries to jog his memory. -He bought a car from you, basically. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:57 | |
There's a note on my file that says he's still got the car | 0:54:57 | 0:54:59 | |
and he wants to give it back, but obviously he's not going to | 0:54:59 | 0:55:02 | |
until you settle this judgment, sir. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:04 | |
But that's not something we get involved with. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:06 | |
We're ordered out because you haven't paid it. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:08 | |
Courts can demand the return of goods in exchange for a refund, | 0:55:10 | 0:55:15 | |
only in this case no such conditions were applied. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:18 | |
But just as Lawrence thinks he might have a battle on his hands, | 0:55:18 | 0:55:22 | |
the mood changes. | 0:55:22 | 0:55:23 | |
Yes, we are. Yeah. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:28 | |
The man has seen the sheriffs on the telly. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:30 | |
I'm the fat, bald one with the goatee beard. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:33 | |
And my colleague, who's always working with me, he's here, as well. | 0:55:33 | 0:55:37 | |
With the boss fully in the picture, | 0:55:37 | 0:55:39 | |
conversation quickly turns to methods of payment. | 0:55:39 | 0:55:42 | |
We've got a Chip and Pin machine here. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:44 | |
Or you can go online and pay with a card. | 0:55:44 | 0:55:46 | |
All right. Cheers. Bye-bye. | 0:55:47 | 0:55:49 | |
He's going to ring back in a minute. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:53 | |
Things are moving in the right direction. | 0:55:53 | 0:55:55 | |
Kev's sizing up the assets on the forecourt, just in case. | 0:55:55 | 0:55:59 | |
But he's pretty confident of getting the matter resolved. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:02 | |
It sounds like he's just going to pay online | 0:56:02 | 0:56:04 | |
and then try and get the vehicle back. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:06 | |
Sure enough, a few minutes later, the boss is back on the phone. | 0:56:06 | 0:56:11 | |
Hello, sir. | 0:56:11 | 0:56:12 | |
The payment's gone through, so with the bill settled, | 0:56:12 | 0:56:15 | |
Lawrence offers some friendly advice | 0:56:15 | 0:56:17 | |
about retrieving the vehicle from the claimant. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:19 | |
I would say probably within about 48 hours, | 0:56:19 | 0:56:21 | |
you'd be safe to give him a ring and say, "Look, it's been paid. | 0:56:21 | 0:56:26 | |
"What about having me car back?" | 0:56:26 | 0:56:28 | |
Cheers. Bye. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:31 | |
The man has paid the full £6,045 outstanding. | 0:56:32 | 0:56:36 | |
-Thank you very much. We'll leave you in peace. -Cheers. -Cheers, guys. | 0:56:36 | 0:56:39 | |
That went very smoothly. They got the owner on the phone, | 0:56:39 | 0:56:41 | |
paid it on the card ten minutes later. Job done. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:45 | |
Back in the van... | 0:56:45 | 0:56:46 | |
Let's get some food. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:48 | |
Yeah, it's already in the sat nav, mate. | 0:56:48 | 0:56:50 | |
The claimant will now get back the money the court says he's owed. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:54 | |
He'll have to come to an agreement with the garage | 0:56:54 | 0:56:57 | |
about the return of the car. | 0:56:57 | 0:56:58 | |
Walton Motors told us: | 0:57:00 | 0:57:02 |