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-Meet The Sheriffs... -My name is Mr Grix, my colleague and I are enforcement agents. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
It's to do with a High Court order... | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
They work for the High Court, and if it says you're owed money, | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
it's their job to go and get it. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
I'm here for £6,072.18. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:16 | |
They can demand payment on the spot... | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
I'm here for the full balance. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
How are you going to pay it? | 0:00:20 | 0:00:21 | |
..or remove assets, instead. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
The car will be going unless you can pay it. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
You'll have a week to pay in full, before it gets sold at auction. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
Obstructing their work can be a criminal offence. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
I wouldn't do that if I were you. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
The door needs to stay open. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
Every year in England and Wales, | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
unpaid debts totalling more than £80 million are recovered by | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
the sheriffs. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:45 | |
Coming up... Kate Killick is owed three months rent after her student | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
lodger suddenly left without warning. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
He rang me one day to say he'd been kicked off the course, | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
and basically said "tough", | 0:01:00 | 0:01:01 | |
and had no sense that he was ever going to pay the money back. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
But when Tommy and Craig confront the man, | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
he's reluctant to face the facts. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
You need to address this, Mr Akbar, otherwise it will be going. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
Lawrence is on the trail of £30,000 owed by a financial adviser. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:21 | |
Hello there, sir, looking for Joseph Miller, would that be yourself? | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
He might not have the cash, but he does have a car. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
Silver Citroen, have a look round the corner, | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
see if he drives off in it. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:32 | |
Ken's chasing a debt owed by an asbestos specialist with cash flow problems. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:37 | |
I can't just accept £900 at the moment, no. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
But are the company's assets too dangerous to remove? | 0:01:41 | 0:01:45 | |
You need a mask, etc. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:46 | |
That is a lot of aggravation, to move anything in there. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
In the Midlands, enforcement agents Tommy Coyle and Craig Wild are up | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
early. They're in pursuit of a debtor who Craig is convinced has | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
been avoiding him, and they're about to knock on his door. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
On this very damp morning, we're over to Birmingham. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
We're off to go and see a Mr Ali Akbar, | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
who has had several visits from ourselves and notifications have | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
been left on every single time. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
He's failed to respond to it. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:21 | |
Mr Akbar has been taken to court for unpaid rent. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
The claimant is Kate Killick, | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
a beauty therapist and a single mum with two children. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
She first met Mr Akbar when she was hoping to make some extra cash by | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
renting out a spare room in the family home. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
The extra income is really important, | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
because it's whether or not you have a really nice Christmas, | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
you haven't got to worry about presents for the children. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
I don't think anyone really wants a stranger living in their house, but, | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
you know, sometimes you have to do things. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
Kate lives in Shoreham in Sussex, | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
and to find a lodger, she contacted the local airport. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
They have a flying school and are often looking for host families to | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
accommodate trainee pilots. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
The college put her in touch with Mr Akbar, and she agreed to take him in. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:12 | |
Yeah, when I first met Ali he just seemed like a reasonably nice, | 0:03:12 | 0:03:17 | |
young person. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
I think he was 20 or 21. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
Initially he was paying £125 a week, with breakfast, | 0:03:21 | 0:03:26 | |
but he never got up for breakfast, so I just dropped it to 100, | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
it seemed fairer. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:31 | |
And in many ways Mr Akbar was the ideal lodger. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:35 | |
He was hardly ever here. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
He did go out every evening and he didn't get home till the early hours | 0:03:37 | 0:03:42 | |
of the morning, | 0:03:42 | 0:03:43 | |
and when I left for work in the morning, was still in bed. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
So I never really saw him, it was perfect, really, | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
from that point of view. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
What wasn't so perfect was that after several months, | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
he began to fall behind with his rent. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
But at first, Kate wasn't worried. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
When I questioned him, | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
he said his mum was out the country and he'd have to wait till she got | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
back in the country and he'd get the rent. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
And because she'd paid so much for these college courses and he's got | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
another year or so, you know, | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
I just thought that they'd be good for the money. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
But after Kate hadn't received her rent for three months, | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
Mr Akbar suddenly pulled the plug on their arrangement. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
He rang me one day to say he'd gone into college | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
and he'd been kicked off the course. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
So, he'd literally packed his stuff up and gone, | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
and basically said "Tough", I wouldn't be able to get the rent | 0:04:29 | 0:04:34 | |
money, the arrears. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
He just appeared to not even have any sense of responsibility | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
or that he was ever going to pay the money back. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
I did say I would go through the small claims court and he just | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
basically said, "Good luck with that". | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
For Kate, it was an upsetting end to the relationship. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
I am very angry with Ali, | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
because you welcome someone into your home and treat them almost like | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
a member of the family, | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
give them a lot of trust and believe in their honesty, | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
and they let you down. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
And it's a lot of money to lose, £1,500. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
So, just as she'd promised to do, | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
Kate pursued Mr Akbar through the courts - | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
a process she found straightforward. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
And she wasn't surprised at the outcome. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
There was a court date set to explain his side and he didn't turn up. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:27 | |
A default judgment was awarded in her favour, | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
but Kate suspected that wouldn't be the end of it. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
Just because someone's told they've got to pay you the money, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
they're not going to do it. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
So I went online to see what my options were, | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
and that's when I found out about the sheriffs. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
It's now down to the sheriffs to get back her lost | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
rent, plus costs and fees. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
100%, the sheriffs are my last hope, | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
because I know he's not going to pay the money. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
He just seems to have buried his head in the sand, | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
he doesn't think he owes me the money. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
He doesn't think there's a legal way that I can get the money, | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
so he's going to have a surprise. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
In Birmingham, enforcement agents Tommy and Craig are arriving at | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
Mr Akbar's home. They've been here many times before without any joy, | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
and are now hoping all the legwork they've put in | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
is finally about to pay off. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
We've noted a vehicle a couple of times that has been there, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
it's a sporty Vauxhall. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
The DVLA check has come back on that vehicle, | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
the registered keeper is down to him. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
So today's job is to go there, knock the door again, if the car's there, | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
we'll clamp it straightaway, and we'll try and raise him to the door. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:45 | |
And if he wants to pay it, then that's fine, we'll deal with that, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
and if not, unfortunately his car's got to go. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
We want payment at the end of the day, we don't want to take | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
the vehicle, it's just, it's come to this. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
The sheriffs approach Mr Akbar's house with anticipation... | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
Go right at the end, it'll be on the left-hand side. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
..their eyes peeled for the prize asset. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
-There it is, that white car there. -That's his car? -That's his car. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
I'll park behind it, then. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:10 | |
That's a really good look. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
There's the white car, there's the VXR. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
Tommy blocks the car in | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
and they get straight to work. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
-Right, that's on. -You done? -Done. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
But, just like Craig's previous visits, there's no answer. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
-Brr! -Mr Akbar, it's Mr Wild from the sheriff's office. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
If you fail to come to the door, | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
we'll have to deal with the court order by removing the Astra. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
This is what I get all the time here, just no answer. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
They're in, but they just don't answer the door. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
And after a few more minutes of trying with no response, | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
Craig sets the wheels in motion. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
I'm just going to phone the tow truck now. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
Hello, it's Craig. Yes, my friend, not too bad. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
When we clamp a vehicle and immobilise it, we have to wait | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
two hours, giving them a chance, really, to resolve it, | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
even though we've been knocking at the door. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
It normally takes well over an hour for the transport to get here, | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
so that's why Craig's organising it now. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
By the time they get here, the two hours will be up. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
Yeah, we want you here about quarter past ten. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
All right, my friend, cheers, thanks a lot, bye-bye. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
Contractors are all booked now, | 0:08:41 | 0:08:42 | |
so the cost of that will go on top of their bill. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
In our experience, once the tow truck turns up with its amber lights | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
flashing and the engine revving, that usually brings them to the door, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
but, as you can see, we tried this morning to get him to the door, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
but their attitude is that if they don't open the door, we'll go away. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
But unfortunately this time, we won't. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
Later, it's a reality check for Mr Akbar, | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
as Tommy and Craig lay down the law. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
She's gone to court because... | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
I'm not mad, blud. No, I'm not mad, I'm not mad. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
I'm not a bailiff, no, I'm a High Court enforcement agent. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
Using the County Courts to try to recover money you're owed isn't | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
difficult. 1.5 million money claims are made every year in England and | 0:09:23 | 0:09:28 | |
Wales, involving anything from faulty goods or poor workmanship, | 0:09:28 | 0:09:32 | |
to unpaid invoices. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
Claims can be filed by post or online for a small fee. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
Both parties in the case will be asked to submit evidence. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
And you may have to attend a court hearing. If you're successful, | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
a County Court Judgment or CCJ will be issued against the debtor. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:51 | |
If they still don't pay, that's when you call the sheriffs. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
Success for the sheriffs is often down to the value of goods they can | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
find that are owned by the debtor. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
Even with a court order in hand, demanding the large sums without | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
expensive assets to use as leverage can be very difficult. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
This afternoon, Lawrence Grix is alone in South London. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
He might not have sidekick Kev with him, but he does have | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
a High Court writ for a substantial amount of money. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
I'm just off to Thornton Heath at the moment, | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
to a gentleman called Joseph Miller | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
who's got the estate agents, financial services type office. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:35 | |
He owes just over £30,000. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
The claimant said she gave her savings to Mr Miller to put in an | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
investment scheme, | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
but later when she wanted to withdraw the money, he wouldn't give it back. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
She took him to court and won and now Lawrence is on his way to | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
collect £30,250. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
It's a business address, | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
so we're coming during the working day... | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
Unfortunately, being an estate agents-cum-investment place, | 0:11:06 | 0:11:11 | |
all they're likely to have is a couple of desks and a couple of computers. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:15 | |
Hopefully we'll find Mr Miller there and we'll be able to put some kind | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
of squeeze on him, find some assets to give us some leverage. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
If he's got a car and it's been re-financed, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
then that might be up for grabs. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
Mr Miller's high street office is certainly unlikely to contain | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
£30,000 worth of assets. Lawrence has got his work cut out. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
He finds the shop and parks nearby. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
The door is locked, but someone is inside. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
Hello, sir. I'm looking for Joseph Miller, would that be yourself? | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
It is indeed Mr Miller, but that's as far as our camera gets. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
Can I show you some ID, sir? | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
Inside, Lawrence gets to work and explains to Mr Miller that he's here | 0:11:59 | 0:12:04 | |
for his customer's money. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:05 | |
All of it. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:07 | |
Mr Miller's not keen to pay up and just as Lawrence expected, | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
the goods in the office aren't worth very much. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
However, behind the office, | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
Lawrence has spotted a car with Mr Miller's branding on it. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
Mr Miller doesn't deny it belongs to him, but insists it's a tool of the | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
trade, meaning it's essential for him to carry on his business and Lawrence | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
isn't legally allowed to remove it. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
But Lawrence makes a phone call and discovers that the car doesn't have | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
business insurance. Satisfied it can't therefore be for business use, | 0:12:37 | 0:12:42 | |
he threatens to remove it. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
Just as he's booking a tow truck, Mr Miller heads to the car. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
Silver Citroen, have a look round the corner, see if he drives off in it. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
If he does, there's not a lot Lawrence can do to stop him, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
but luckily, his fears are unfounded. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
Mr Miller has only gone to retrieve his briefcase from the boot before | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
returning inside. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
After an hour in the shop, Lawrence is done. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
He's paid me £1,000 in cash and I've signed him up for £1,000 a month. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:16 | |
Lawrence would prefer to have the debt paid in full, but under the | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
circumstances, he's satisfied a payment plan is a good result for the woman | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
-who is owed the money. -It's a fairly high arrangement, but it's still, | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
when you compare it to a £30,000 debt, | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
it'll still take a few years to pay it off with interest going on, | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
but really that's about the best I can do when you've got no assets to | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
use as leverage. Bit of a discussion over whether his car was a tool of | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
the trade. But it wasn't insured for business use, so it wouldn't be | 0:13:40 | 0:13:45 | |
classed as a tool of the trade. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:46 | |
But that was only probably a few hundred pounds' worth. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
It was an old Citroen, and other than that there was a few old | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
computers and desks and it's just not worth any money. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
Without goods to remove, the bargaining powers of the sheriffs is limited. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
Lawrence has managed to get at least some money and an agreement to make | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
regular repayments. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:08 | |
Since filming Mr Miller has stuck to the arrangement so far and he's | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
gradually paying back the £30,000 he owes. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
Mr Miller told us that his client's money had been invested in property. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:23 | |
He says a slow housing market had delayed the return of funds and the | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
court action resulted because she hadn't been prepared to wait for a | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
property sale to materialise. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
In Birmingham, Tommy and Craig are waiting outside the home of | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
Ali Akbar, who owes a debt of £3,290. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:51 | |
They've clamped his car and a tow truck's on the way, but so far, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
in keeping with Craig's previous visits, | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
Mr Akbar himself has yet to come to the door. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
This does happen sometimes, | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
they just completely go to ground inside and they won't come out until | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
the actual transport arrives to take the vehicle and then someone may | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
come to the door saying, "We didn't know nothing about it and want to | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
"resolve this", and it's too late, normally. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:20 | |
They have to find a large sum of money very quickly or it'll be going | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
on the back of a truck and away. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
But no sooner has Tommy spoken than a young man walks out of the house. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
-How's it going? -Hello, sir. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
Mr Akbar, is it? | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
Mr Wild from the sheriff's office. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
They've sent us out to obviously execute this court order. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
Because you owe the money, there's a High Court order. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
The court thinks you do. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:50 | |
Mr Akbar, it seems, is in denial. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
Well, unfortunately, Mr Akbar, all letters have been left for your | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
attention, you've failed to deal with it, | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
so they've sent us out to remove the car today. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
You haven't, sir. The court say different. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
Well you've had paperwork hand-delivered by the agent here. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
No problem at all. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
Craig obliges and shows Mr Akbar his writ. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
And that's the commandment of the courts to endorse and obviously take | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
control of your assets today. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
Faced with the documents, Mr Akbar finally has a moment of realisation. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:30 | |
Penny's dropped now, has it? | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
It's already been to court, sir. No, it's already been to court. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
Exactly, she's gone to court because... | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
I'm not mad, blud. I'm not mad. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
I'm not a bailiff, no, I'm a High Court enforcement agent. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:52 | |
I just explained it to you, I'm a High Court enforcement agent, | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
I've been here at least three times, left letters for you, | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
you've failed to respond to that. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:01 | |
Despite seeing the court order, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:04 | |
it seems Mr Akbar is unwilling to recognise the sheriff's authority. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
Because the law says and the court say | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
we've got to come here to see you. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
And if you don't deal with it, we've got to deal with it for you. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
We don't want to do that. We'd much rather get paid and be on our way. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
What makes you think it's not going to go? | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
You need to address this, Mr Akbar, otherwise this WILL be going. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
The car will be going unless you can pay it. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
That's fine. But the law says, you've got seven days from today, | 0:17:40 | 0:17:45 | |
once your assets have been removed. We'll start doing the paperwork now, | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
you've got the seven days to seek your own legal advice, | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
try and raise the money and if you're successful, | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
then you're entitled to your goods back. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
Mr Akbar clearly doesn't want to pay, but it looks like the sheriff's | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
ultimatum of removing the car is finally sinking in. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
After briefly heading inside to mull it over, | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
he returns and he's changed his tune. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
It has to be the full balance, the reason for that is... | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
You could have before. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
We don't have many options. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
Full amount or let the vehicle go, it doesn't matter whether you let it | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
go or not, it will go, and you'll get seven days. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
That's all we can do for you. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:37 | |
It's 20 to nine now, you've got | 0:18:37 | 0:18:38 | |
until quarter past ten, and hour and a half. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
If you want to stop the vehicle going. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
-No problem. -No problem at all, Mr Akbar. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
Mr Akbar's offer of part payment has come too late. His previous | 0:18:52 | 0:18:56 | |
failure to engage with Craig doesn't fill the sheriffs with confidence | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
about the prospect of him sticking to a payment plan, | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
so with a decent asset sitting in front of them, | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
it's got to be the whole lot. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:07 | |
The defendant has indicated he might get some money, but the time is | 0:19:07 | 0:19:12 | |
ticking and we told him the deadline to get that money to us. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
We've also told him that he has incurred the extra cost | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
of the contractor, because we've commenced them on their way. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
So, unfortunately, it's been a very expensive day for Mr Akbar. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
As they wait it out in the van, | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
Mr Akbar again comes to speak to them and he's got a fresh offer. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
We can't, it's not a case of us | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
trying to not be helpful, we do as much as we can, | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
we leave the vehicle clamped for two hours. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
This is clamped. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:51 | |
It's clamped. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:52 | |
There's a clamp on the front. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:56 | |
Once again, it's taking a while for reality to sink in. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
But with his offer of payment gradually increasing, Tommy is | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
quietly confident. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
Yeah, a bit more positive that time, | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
could be payment in full coming here, I've got a feeling, | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
I can feel it in the air, coming down the pipes. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
But later on, there's another problem | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
as the car suddenly appears to have a new owner. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
The car's yours now, is it? When did you get it? | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
Sheriffs can enforce well over a thousand writs a year | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
and every one is different. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
But with 27 years in the business, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
enforcement agent Ken Warby has just about seen it all. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
He knows that debtors aren't always in a position to pay all in one go, | 0:20:43 | 0:20:48 | |
and he's a skilled negotiator when it comes to getting the best | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
possible deal for his clients. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
Today, he's heading to the Essex coast for a job where his powers of | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
persuasion are going to be tested. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
We're going to visit a company called Ideal Everything Asbestos. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:05 | |
Our claimant is owed for unpaid invoices for supplying on-site | 0:21:05 | 0:21:10 | |
equipment such as pumps and flowmeters. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:15 | |
The debtor is an asbestos removal company. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
They were taken to court by a supplier | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
and when they didn't defend the case, a judgment was issued in default. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
That was two months ago, and the debt still hasn't been paid. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
Apparently, the debtor company tried to make an arrangement with the | 0:21:29 | 0:21:35 | |
claimant before it went any further. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
But it come to nothing, | 0:21:39 | 0:21:40 | |
so obviously our claimant has lost patience and now obtained | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
a High Court writ of control. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
So it's Ken's job to collect £4,406 outstanding. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:52 | |
Well, they are here. I've just seen this sign. | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
I had a horrible feeling for a minute that the company weren't | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
there any more, because it looked quite empty. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
But it's the one next door. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
There is an expensive-looking Range Rover outside | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
and company branding on the wall - all promising signs. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
Ken goes in and has a look around. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
It's not immediately obvious whether anyone is in. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
But when he heads upstairs, he finds someone at their desk. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:25 | |
Knock, knock. Hello. I need to speak to the person in charge. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
Oh... | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
Can I talk to you? If you want my ID, there you go. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
My name is Ken Warby. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
What it is, is a High Court writ of control against yourselves. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:41 | |
I dare say you want to call the MD on the phone. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
The employee does just that and hands it over. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
Thank you. Cheers. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
Hello? Is that Daniel? | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
Danny Burke, yeah. I've got your name on here, mate. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
It's regarding a High Court writ of control originally for £3,300, | 0:23:00 | 0:23:06 | |
and then there are sheriffs' fees involved as well, | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
which gives us a figure of £4,406 now. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
The boss tells Ken he offered the claimant a payment plan, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
and says he's already given them some money. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
But Ken's instructions from his client are clear. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
As it stands at the moment, | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
because we're here with a High Court writ of control, | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
we have to insist on full payment. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
Mr Burke says that's impossible. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
Oh, dear. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:34 | |
It's a tricky one for us, then, because we are instructed, you see. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:38 | |
And we have to pursue for the full amount. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
The boss says he might be able to raise £900, | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
and he'll have the rest in a couple of weeks. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
But it's not enough. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:49 | |
Do you want a little bit of time to maybe make a few phone calls or | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
something, to see if you can sort of like come up with this? | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
Mr Burke says he can't. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
OK. Well, what I'm going to have to do is, I'm going to have to start | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
listing items here anyway. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
And in the meantime, see what you can do, maybe. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:07 | |
I'm going to be hanging around here for a while. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
I can't just accept £900 at the moment, no. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
Cheers, pal. Bye. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
He's telling me because of cash flow problems they've only got £900 in | 0:24:17 | 0:24:22 | |
the bank. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
He's willing to give me that and | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
come to some arrangement. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:29 | |
He's asked me what would be acceptable. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
I'm going to finish my list, and then we'll have another chat. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
I'm not going to give him a definitive answer yet. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
I want to see what they've got in the way of assets here before I accept any sort of payment plans. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:42 | |
Unfortunately, a quick glance around this office doesn't fill Ken with | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
much hope. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:48 | |
There's some standard office and computer equipment. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
-Sorry, that is a shredder, isn't it? -Yeah. -That is a shredder. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
But it's not much to bargain with | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
and his list is pretty short. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
As sheriffs are entitled to search anywhere in a debtor's premises for | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
assets, he heads downstairs to take a look in the room below, | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
only to find it's off-limits. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
What is it, like a testing room or something? | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
The room may contain two valuable looking microscopes, | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
but there are some places that even a sheriff won't go. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
You need a mask etc, to go in there. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
That is a lot of aggravation to move anything in there. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
Plus, there's nothing else of value in there. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
There is, however, one more microscope outside the testing room. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:49 | |
It's just the same as the two you've got in there? | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
That's not contaminated, but they will be? | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
Got it. OK. I understand. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:56 | |
Even added to the contents of the fridge, | 0:25:56 | 0:25:58 | |
one harmless and two potentially deadly microscopes aren't going to | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
raise the money Ken needs. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
But he does have one more idea. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
Perhaps the 4X4 he saw on the way in. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
The car on the driveway, who owns that? | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
Is that yours? That's nice. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:15 | |
OK. Do you have any company vehicles? | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
Despite Ken's best efforts, his list isn't getting any longer. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:25 | |
The meagre offerings mean he might have to accept whatever the boss is | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
-willing to pay. -I'm just going to give the MD a call and see if we can | 0:26:28 | 0:26:33 | |
come to some arrangement. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
I don't think he's going to be able to come up with the full amount of | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
money today. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
The debt stands at £4,406. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
And on arrival, Ken wanted all of it. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
He previously rejected the boss' offer of £900. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
But Ken now thinks the smart move is to settle for half. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
Hello, yeah. I'm good. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
Right, OK. If you can come up with half of it today, | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
we can give you the two-week grace for the balance. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
OK? What I've done is I've listed your items here. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
If you don't pay within two weeks, | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
obviously this is going to go up quite considerably. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
So that's what you need to be sort of aiming for. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
The boss says he'll make a bank transfer, | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
and Ken heads back upstairs to the office to wait for it. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:24 | |
While there, he can't resist sharing his own expertise in asbestos removal. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:28 | |
I remember my dad, back in the day, erm, taking the... | 0:27:28 | 0:27:34 | |
taking the ironing board cover off and throwing it away. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:39 | |
He said, "I've heard on the news these ain't too good". | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
This must have been back in the '80s. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
So he said, "Yeah, we'll do away with that now, just use a bit of wood," | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
my dad used to say. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:50 | |
WOMAN LAUGHS | 0:27:50 | 0:27:52 | |
Soon, the woman shows Ken evidence of a payment the company's made to | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
the sheriffs. It's for only £900, way short of the 2,200 - | 0:27:55 | 0:28:01 | |
half the full amount - that Ken had agreed to. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
Mr Burke is back on the phone, | 0:28:05 | 0:28:06 | |
saying he's got more money coming in later today. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
As soon as that's done later on tonight, give me a call, | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
let me know it's been done, and I'll check it first thing in the morning. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
I'll add that to the agreement, OK? | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
So it's £900 paid. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
£1,300 to be paid this evening, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:25 | |
and the balance to be paid 14 days from today. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
It's not quite the outcome Ken had wanted but, | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
satisfied he's achieved as much as he can today, | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
he hands over the controlled goods agreement to the woman in the office | 0:28:37 | 0:28:41 | |
and leaves. If her boss doesn't keep up his end of the bargain, | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
Ken will be back to remove everything on the list. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
The value of the goods in there isn't very much. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
£300, £400. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:53 | |
So, half payment today and the balance in a fortnight, | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
I'm pretty confident he'll get that paid. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
So, all in all, not bad. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
Ken never needs to return. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:06 | |
The company paid the remainder of the debt in full and their supplier | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
has now got the money they were owed. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
ID Everything Asbestos Limited told us that since filming, | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
the company's been bought out and is under new management. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
The debt was incurred by the previous manager. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
When debtors can't pay on the spot... | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
I'm assuming that you haven't got £5,000. Oh, dear. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
..the sheriffs won't always remove assets to get your money. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:39 | |
Goods go for about a fifth of their true value at auction and it's often | 0:29:39 | 0:29:43 | |
better to agree to a payment plan. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
If you can come up with half of it today... | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
Do you reckon you can do 200 a week? | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
..they'll make a list of assets... | 0:29:50 | 0:29:52 | |
Ice machine. Bar chiller cabinets. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
Television, PlayStation. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:56 | |
..and a controlled goods agreement is signed, | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
making it an offence for anyone else to remove them. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:03 | |
You sign the form. It acts as security. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
The sheriffs will only return to take the goods if the debtor fails | 0:30:06 | 0:30:10 | |
-to make payments. -I've signed him up for £1,000 a month. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:14 | |
Providing you stick to that, you won't hear from us again. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
High Court enforcement agents will do whatever they can to get the | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
money you're owed. But if the debtor simply doesn't have the money or assets, | 0:30:26 | 0:30:30 | |
the sheriffs are often confronted with a very difficult situation. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:34 | |
In the south-east, Lawrence Grix is on his way to visit a car workshop. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:39 | |
Well, we're just coming into Camberley in Surrey at the moment. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:43 | |
We've got a judgment against a gentleman | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
by the name of Mike Sweeney, trading as Modena. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
He's... It's some kind of garage he runs. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
Mr Sweeney owes money to a parts supplier, | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
and has been taken to court. | 0:30:57 | 0:30:59 | |
His debt now stands at £5,015. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
It seems Mr Sweeney's keen | 0:31:05 | 0:31:07 | |
to get the matter resolved. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:09 | |
He's been on the phone, offering a payment arrangement, but once again, | 0:31:09 | 0:31:13 | |
we can't put somebody on an arrangement unless we've taken | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
control of goods to secure the debt. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
And also, we need to evaluate what assets there are there, | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
because if he's got sufficient assets to clear the debt, | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
then we'll be removing them in accordance with the writ. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
Besides, car-mad Lawrence never turns down the opportunity to have | 0:31:27 | 0:31:31 | |
a nose around someone else's garage. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
I like to have a little look around garages, | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
see what equipment they've got. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:37 | |
It is taunting me, really, because I'd like to have a nice, big | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
workshop myself, where I could work on my vehicles under cover, but I | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
don't suppose that'll be the case any time soon! | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
Lawrence doesn't yet know whether the debtor's workshop is going to | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
turn him green with envy, but he's about to find out. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:54 | |
Hello, mate. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:02 | |
You the boss? No? | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
Mike Sweeney, the boss, yeah? | 0:32:05 | 0:32:06 | |
Is he about? Cheers. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:08 | |
Well, he's in the right place and it sounds like Mr Sweeney's here, | 0:32:08 | 0:32:13 | |
-but is he about to pay? -My name's Mr Grix. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
I'm an enforcement agent. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
You've got a High Court writ against you, trading as Modena, | 0:32:18 | 0:32:20 | |
outstanding debt of £5,015.24, sir, which needs to be paid. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:26 | |
I'm aware you phoned up to try to go on instalments. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
Unfortunately, the writ orders us out to take control of goods | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
to clear the debt and from what I can see, | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
you've probably got sufficient goods to clear the debt. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
They're not your assets? | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
Mr Sweeney says everything here is owned by someone else and begins | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
looking for a copy of his lease which he says will prove it. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:49 | |
While he does that, Lawrence has a look around himself. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:53 | |
But while there's plenty for him to get excited about on a personal | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
-level... -Nice little Ferrari here, all being refurbished. | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
-A couple of Porsches, there. -..there's not much to get his sheriff's sense tingling. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:05 | |
All the vehicles that are here generally belong to customers who | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
have put them in here for restoration, so there's not... | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
Not a massive amount of... | 0:33:11 | 0:33:12 | |
..of assets here, to be honest. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
There are some tools and machinery, | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
but Mr Sweeney seems to be saying they belong to someone else. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
Lawrence wants to know more. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
So what is it that comes with the lease? The two post lifts? | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
Oh, right, so... So, basically, without prying too much, | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
you were struggling and sold all the assets off to raise some capital, | 0:33:33 | 0:33:37 | |
and you now rent them back? | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
Lawrence is beginning to suspect his chances of getting paid in full | 0:33:40 | 0:33:44 | |
today are slim. Still, he'll need to see the paperwork to be sure, | 0:33:44 | 0:33:49 | |
and Mr Sweeney can't seem to find it. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
Not got a copy of it on your computer or anything like that? | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
And this was a couple of years ago, was it? | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
How much money was involved? | 0:33:58 | 0:34:00 | |
Have you got evidence of the money going into your bank account? | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
Can you bring up online statements, and show a lump going in? | 0:34:06 | 0:34:10 | |
Oh, because the problem we've got, | 0:34:10 | 0:34:12 | |
whilst I don't dispute what you're telling me, at the moment, | 0:34:12 | 0:34:15 | |
there is no evidence to... | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
Mr Sweeney has found what he was looking for. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
All right, let's have a little look, see what we've got here. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
It's the details of the lease he has on the premises, | 0:34:28 | 0:34:31 | |
including a list of the equipment he sold to the landlord. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
That's a very complete inventory, isn't it? | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
One of the best inventories I've seen, to be honest. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:39 | |
-Is it? -Even down to the rubbish bins! | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
And you've bought no other kit, since? | 0:34:44 | 0:34:46 | |
Yeah. This obviously proves that the goods have been sold, so... | 0:34:46 | 0:34:50 | |
That's that side of things. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:53 | |
Lawrence has now established that he can't remove the garage's equipment | 0:34:53 | 0:34:57 | |
to cover the debt, so he tries a new tack. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
I mean, asking the obvious, I'm assuming, then, | 0:35:00 | 0:35:02 | |
that you haven't got £5,000. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:04 | |
Well, there's no harm in asking. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
Is there anybody that can help you out with that? | 0:35:06 | 0:35:10 | |
So what can you come up with? | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
Lawrence suspects he's telling the truth, | 0:35:14 | 0:35:15 | |
but isn't going to leave without | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
-pursuing every avenue possible. -What about a vehicle? | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
Erm... | 0:35:20 | 0:35:22 | |
Lawrence goes to check it out. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:27 | |
This one here, yeah? But that, too, proves to be a dead-end. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:31 | |
That won't scratch the surface of the debt, to be honest. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
The car's 11 years old and covered in dents and scrapes. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:39 | |
Satisfied he's seen enough, | 0:35:39 | 0:35:40 | |
Lawrence resurrects Mr Sweeney's offer of a payment plan. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:44 | |
What are you proposing? | 0:35:44 | 0:35:46 | |
Right, so that's going to take the best part of two years to pay off, | 0:35:47 | 0:35:51 | |
because you've got interest going on at 95p per day which, unfortunately, | 0:35:51 | 0:35:55 | |
even though you're clearing the debt, will still go on at 95p per day. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:59 | |
It's fixed on the original debt, until the writ is cleared. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
When would you be looking to make the first payment? | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
Monday the 16th? | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
They shake on the deal. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:10 | |
OK, so... Keep your payments up. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:13 | |
And Lawrence has done the best he can. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
That was one of those jobs, basically, | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
Mr Sweeney had previously sold all the assets to somebody else, | 0:36:20 | 0:36:25 | |
so he has got no assets at this business. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:29 | |
He managed to dig out the paperwork. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
There was a full inventory, even down to, you know, | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
the most silly items like pictures on the wall and everything. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:38 | |
So basically, | 0:36:38 | 0:36:40 | |
I had to set up an arrangement and let's hope he sticks to it. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
In Birmingham, Tommy and Craig are still trying to recover debt owed by | 0:36:52 | 0:36:56 | |
a Mr Ali Akbar. | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
He has finally realised that with a tow truck on the way, | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
he needs to come up with more than three grand, sharpish, | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
or else his car will be going. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
So far, he's only managed to make offers of part payment, | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
which have been rejected. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
But now, a family member has got involved and is about to throw the | 0:37:12 | 0:37:16 | |
sheriffs a curveball. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
The car's yours now, is it? | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
When, when did you get it? | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
You bought it yesterday, did you? | 0:37:24 | 0:37:26 | |
Oh, right, so he sold it to you yesterday? | 0:37:26 | 0:37:28 | |
-How much? -How much for, my love? | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
It is. Oh, it is. We need to see evidence. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
Because we need to investigate it, you see, we need... | 0:37:33 | 0:37:35 | |
We can't just, unfortunately, take your word for it. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:38 | |
Moments later, Mr Akbar emerges with a change of registered keeper form. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:43 | |
Right, OK. It's still wet, though, this. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
Craig's having none of it. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:50 | |
It won't prevent us from removing the vehicle, unfortunately, Ali. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:54 | |
Yeah, unfortunately... | 0:37:56 | 0:37:58 | |
We can speak to her, but the car's still going. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
I don't think that's valid, unfortunately. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
If the Akbars want to stop this vehicle being removed, | 0:38:03 | 0:38:06 | |
they're going to have to do better than that. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:08 | |
He was claiming that the car was his all the time. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
All of a sudden, he's come out with the bottom half of the V5 document, | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
saying he's sold it now to his mother or sister. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
Clearly, the indication was, it was his car this morning, | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
so it won't prevent us from removing the vehicle today. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
But the Akbars aren't giving up just yet. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
The plot thickens when Craig | 0:38:26 | 0:38:28 | |
overhears a conversation in the doorway. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
If you want to transfer the money into his account, that's fine. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:33 | |
I said, if you want to transfer the money into his... | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
Well, I can. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:38 | |
Well, it is my business. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
But if they're thinking of making a bank transfer to complete the sale | 0:38:44 | 0:38:48 | |
now, it would be too late. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
If there's a money transfer just happening just now, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
that's going to be irrelevant because we've already took control | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
of the vehicle, prior to it being sold. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
Meanwhile, Mr Akbar has reappeared on the driveway, | 0:38:58 | 0:39:02 | |
and to Tommy's surprise, gets behind the wheel of another car. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
Strange, isn't it? | 0:39:05 | 0:39:07 | |
Yeah, unusual, he seems to be going. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
Perhaps he's gone to get some money. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:13 | |
Perhaps not. But the tow truck's now well on its way, so Tommy and Craig | 0:39:13 | 0:39:17 | |
take the opportunity to do a damage report on his car. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
-It's in all right nick, isn't it? -It's not too bad. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
This wing is, there's something... | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
It's got, like, it's been pranged, that has. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
Driver's side rear wing. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
Time is running out for Mr Akbar, | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
who soon returns, but has he come bearing cash? | 0:39:37 | 0:39:41 | |
You all right? Do we know what we're doing? | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
Are we paying it today or not? | 0:39:45 | 0:39:47 | |
Because they're literally ten minutes away. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
Once it turns up, they're just going to hook it up. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
All right. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:01 | |
OK, we'll have to remove it, then, | 0:40:01 | 0:40:03 | |
but we'll leave all the paperwork for you, all right? | 0:40:03 | 0:40:08 | |
You'll get it back in the same condition it is now if you pay the | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
full bill, plus the storage costs, plus the removal fee for today. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
If it's not, then, obviously, you can take them to court for damages. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:18 | |
Mr Akbar seems to have given up any hope of hanging onto his car today. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:23 | |
And as the tow truck arrives to take it away, hands over his keys. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:27 | |
Are you going to get it back? Are you... | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
-In seven days? No? -Do you want to take your stuff out first? | 0:40:29 | 0:40:33 | |
Have you got any personal stuff in there, yeah? | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
Yeah, get your stuff out, mate. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:36 | |
Tommy removes the clamp. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
Job's a good'un. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:44 | |
And the car's driven onto the back of the truck. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
So, yeah, at least he's given the keys up. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
Makes it a lot easier, both for himself and for us. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
If it does go to auction, then at least they've got the key to it, | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
which increases its value. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:57 | |
Yeah, it's seven days and then they | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
have to put it into a public auction. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
You can. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:09 | |
Suddenly, it seems Mr Akbar wants to buy his car back at auction, | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
though it'd make a lot more sense to pay now, | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
and just as the truck prepares to drive off, | 0:41:16 | 0:41:19 | |
that's exactly what he starts talking about. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:21 | |
If you've got the full balance now... You need it this second. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:28 | |
It's gone. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:34 | |
Mr Akbar has missed his chance. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
The sheriffs leave their paperwork. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:41 | |
-There you go, my friend. -All right? | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
Take it easy. Take care of yourself, yeah? | 0:41:43 | 0:41:45 | |
-Ta-ra. -See you later, mate. -And their work is done. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
He tried his best to negotiate his way out of us not taking the vehicle | 0:41:47 | 0:41:51 | |
today by trying to transfer ownership. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:53 | |
Even by his own admission, he said, "You've got to try it". | 0:41:53 | 0:41:55 | |
-But, unfortunately, it didn't work this time. -Yeah, it's just a classic case of, | 0:41:55 | 0:41:59 | |
don't bury your head in the sand because we won't go away. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:03 | |
The sheriffs are on their way. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
Later the same day, Mr Akbar paid the balance in full | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
and his car was subsequently returned. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:13 | |
Back in Shoreham, Kate Killick has finally got the money she was owed. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
Really, really good news. The sheriffs went round. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
They finally caught up with Ali, and I was able to get my money back, | 0:42:20 | 0:42:24 | |
and it's just really, really nice to know that the law is there to help | 0:42:24 | 0:42:29 | |
people out. I couldn't be happier. Thank you. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
And Kate has some advice for anyone else with an unpaid debt. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:37 | |
Definitely, definitely go through the Small Claims Court because | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
that's why they are there, to help you. You know, it was quite a long process. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:44 | |
It's been over a year, but we got there in the end. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:48 |