Episode 2 The Sheriffs Are Coming


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-Meet the sheriffs.

-My name's Mr Grix, my colleagues and I are enforcement agents.

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-It's to do with a High Court order.

-They work for the High Court,

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and if it says you're owed money,

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it's their job to go and get it.

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I'm here for £6,072.18.

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-They can demand payment on the spot.

-I'm here for the full balance.

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-How are you going to pay it?

-Or remove assets instead.

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The car will be going, unless you can pay it.

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You'll have a week to pay in full before it gets sold at auction.

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Obstructing their work can be a criminal offence.

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-I wouldn't do that if I was you.

-The door needs to stay open.

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Every year in England and Wales, unpaid debts totalling more

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than £80 million are recovered by the sheriffs.

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Coming up... Louise Alderson bought a second-hand car which was

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a deathtrap.

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The back wheels were only holding on by one wheel nut,

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the side impact bars weren't there. I am lucky to be alive.

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But when the sheriffs visit the dealer, it all kicks off.

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Lawrence discovers his claimant's not the only one owed money.

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Now that you've told me that, if this isn't paid,

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I'm going to be pulling the shutters down and changing the locks.

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Ken's got a writ for a multinational giant.

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Look at the size of these buildings! It looks like Cape Canaveral.

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And Lawrence gets tired of being messed around by a beautician.

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Half an hour later, she's still on her way.

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And I'm being told one thing and then another.

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The sheriffs' success is often down to their ability to take

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control of a debtor's goods to use as leverage until they pay up.

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A common ruse used by debtors is to claim their stuff belongs to

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someone else.

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But the sheriffs don't take that at face value,

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and will always do what they can to get to the truth.

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Today in the West Midlands, Tommy Coyle and Craig Wild's

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investigative skills are about to be tested.

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We're going back to a job where we've been to before.

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It's a car pound. When we went before, we left notification of our attendance.

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They haven't responded to our paperwork,

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so we're back here again.

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The debtor deals in second-hand cars, and the claimant in the case

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is the Louise Alderson, a teacher who came across

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the company when she was looking for a new car to get her to work.

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My old car had done quite a lot of mileage, it was getting to

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the point where it probably needed a lot of repair work.

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I was looking for another Ford Fiesta.

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And when I spotted a lovely car advertised in Auto Trader,

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it looked really sporty and really attractive.

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And I'd just got married

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and my husband said, "Yeah, spoil yourself."

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So Louise went to have a look...

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and was initially underwhelmed by the dealership.

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My first impression was that actually,

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this isn't what I was expecting, it was in the middle of an

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industrial estate, there was a tip nearby.

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And it didn't have a proper office.

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So I was immediately put off by that, but then when I saw the car

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and saw how lovely it was, and the man,

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the sales guy I spoke to, he came across as very friendly and

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very genuine, very honest, so that changed my mind.

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The Fiesta was £6,000,

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reduced to £5,000 with the part exchange of her old car.

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She took out a loan to pay for it, and drove it away.

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But it wasn't long before she experienced the first sign of trouble.

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About ten miles, maybe 15 miles away, on the way home,

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the engine warning light came on.

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So I pulled over, phoned them up and said this is what's happened,

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and he basically said, "Turn the engine off and turn it back

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"on again, and I assure you it won't come back on." And it didn't.

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But when the same thing happened the following day, Louise began

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to get worried and took the car to a Ford specialist to check it over.

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They found that the car had been badly repaired

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following an accident. And there was a catalogue of problems.

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The welding had been done incorrectly,

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the brake pipe was severely bent.

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The fan... The wiring for the brakes was actually hanging into the fan,

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and all of the electrics, most of them,

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had been disconnected, so it didn't even have air conditioning.

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It was a shock.

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A, I was very emotionally upset, and B,

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I'd just spent the money, couldn't afford, needed a car for

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work and was thinking, "What on earth am I going to do?"

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What she did was get straight on the phone to the dealers.

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They told me that the actual owner was away...abroad at the time.

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And we'd have to wait until the following Monday until he was back.

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That Monday came and went, no call. I phoned them.

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They still said, "Oh, no, he's still not here, you'll have to wait."

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And it was a continuum of that,

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my husband tried to ring them and speak to them as well.

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However, they just kept fobbing me off.

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Frustrated, Louise called Trading Standards.

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They sent out an independent vehicle inspector, who found even more

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problems with the car.

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The back wheels were only holding on by one wheel nut.

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He found there had been other damage,

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the side impact bars weren't there.

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He actually said I was very lucky to be alive.

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And that's how I do feel, that I am lucky to be alive.

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Yet even with this damning verdict on the car's dangerous condition,

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the garage still wouldn't commit to giving her a refund.

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It was just a continuum of, "Where's the car, we want the car,

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"meet the car, we'll send somebody out to get the car."

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But never at any point promising to actually pay for it

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at the same time as well.

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And my husband and I had decided that the one thing that we were

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adamant about not happening was for that car to go back on the road.

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So, Louise pursued the dealership through the county courts.

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They didn't defend the case, and she was awarded a default judgment,

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requiring the company to pay her back, plus costs.

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They didn't, and now Louise has turned to the sheriffs as

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a last resort.

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The whole thing has been such an ordeal,

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I've had sleepless nights, I've been ill through it.

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All I can hope is that the sheriffs can get some money back for

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this for me, because if they can't do it, nobody can.

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Last time the sheriffs visited the dealership,

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they found a large lot full of vehicles.

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However, it was locked up and no-one was around,

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so all they could do was leave a letter.

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Today, they're back, and it already looks more promising.

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-It's open.

-Are you ready?

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So it is open,

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we're going to go straight in now and hopefully confront these people.

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Again, there are plenty of cars in the yard,

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and this time the sheriffs have no problem finding someone to speak to.

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-Good morning.

-How are you?

-Not too bad, mate.

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-He'll explain it.

-Hello, sir, Mr Wild.

-Sheriff one, sheriff two.

-Is the boss about?

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-He is not here at the moment.

-Can he be contacted?

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We need to get him on the phone, basically.

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They don't seem surprised to see the sheriffs,

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and manage to get the company director on the phone.

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Hello, sir.

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It's to do with the High Court writ that's been issued against

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the company for £8,627.07, as it stands at the moment.

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Obviously they've sent us out, they've sent us out to execute this court writ today.

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And it sounds like he's making all the noises Craig likes to hear.

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Right. Brilliant.

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-Lovely.

-Sounds positive.

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It seems that it could be... he's just sorting it out.

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Maybe he got the letter before. So, it could be getting sorted.

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Actually, the situation isn't quite as straightforward as Tommy is hoping.

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The director doesn't want to pay,

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and says the sheriffs can't touch the cars here.

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He's saying that all the stock belongs to another limited company,

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and they're supplying us now more documentation for the cars here.

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In other words, none of the assets here belong to the debtor.

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If so, then the sheriffs will more than likely have to leave

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empty-handed, but they're not going to just take his word for it.

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So what we need to do, we'll just make a list now.

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-If we can tick them off.

-OK.

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There may be dozens of cars here, but the sheriffs plan to

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check every single one against the paperwork the director provides.

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So they start noting the registration numbers of the cars.

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DY09.

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FG56.

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FG56.

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WP07.

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It's like a maze getting through here, a maze of cars.

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It's going to take some time, but as they only need to find a few

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decent cars belonging to the debtor company, it might be worth it.

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Just when they're getting stuck in,

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Craig's interrupted by a phone call from his office.

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The director has sent in some paperwork as promised,

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but it only serves to convince the sheriffs they're on the right track.

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We've had an e-mail in straight away from the director, but they only

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list two cars, which I don't think are even here, to be fair.

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Meanwhile, perhaps unsure themselves of what stock is here,

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the employees are making a list of their own.

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They're taking their own lists.

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If they can supply the evidence that it was bought and paid for by

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a third-party company, rather than our company,

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then we'll be satisfied with that and then we'll walk away.

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If they can't supply that,

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then clearly we'll take it to the next level.

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Later, tempers flare as the sheriffs up the ante.

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LAUGHTER

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Mind that egg.

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Your cameraman!

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If this balance isn't paid, then we are instructed to remove these vehicles.

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Using the county courts to try to recover money you're owed

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isn't difficult.

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1.5 million money claims are made every year in England and Wales,

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involving anything from faulty goods or poor workmanship to unpaid invoices.

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Claims can be filed by post or online for a small fee.

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Both parties in the case will be asked to submit evidence.

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And you may have to attend a court hearing.

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If you're successful,

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a County Court Judgment, or CCJ, will be issued against the debtor.

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And if they still don't pay, that's when you call the sheriffs.

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The sheriffs are often called upon to visit companies

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with cash-flow problems who are struggling to pay their bills.

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Jobs like these can be tricky,

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as the sheriffs are tasked with getting payments for their clients,

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but they'd rather not put anyone out of business in the process.

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This morning, enforcement agent Lawrence Grix is visiting

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a company in Kent.

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We're in the Garden of England today, just near Tonbridge.

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Going to a company called MetCon Sustainable Building Systems.

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It looks like, basically, they haven't paid one of their suppliers.

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MetCon Sustainable Building Ltd has been taken to court by

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a supplier which sold them some steel.

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They didn't defend the case, and so a default judgment was awarded.

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MetCon now owes £5,934.

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It is a trading address.

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And it's a limited company, so hopefully there'll be some assets there.

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And we'll be able to get this resolved.

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But as he pulls up outside the premises, Lawrence is disappointed.

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First impressions, it doesn't look like they've got a lot here,

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to be honest.

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There's a pick-up that's sign-written.

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Lawrence, however, is never one to prejudge a situation...

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and heads inside in search of a manager.

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Hello there, sir. Is this MetCon Sustainable Building Systems?

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Lawrence is ushered through to a warehouse.

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Who's in charge at the moment?

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Where he explains to the staff the purpose of his visit.

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I'm asking who's in charge here at the moment.

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I've got a High Court writ against this company.

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Pretty soon he's handed the director on the phone.

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Hello, sir.

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The director, it seems, knows all about the debt.

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He says the company owes money to a number of people and is

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trying to agree a repayment plan.

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You've sent a proposal for a company voluntary arrangement?

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You say you have got an insolvency practitioner involved, yeah?

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Right, so have you sent the proposal to all your other creditors?

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The business has applied for what's known as

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a company voluntary arrangement.

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That's a legally binding agreement which helps a company with

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cash-flow problems gradually pay off its debts while continuing to trade.

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Such an arrangement would prevent Lawrence enforcing today.

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But it has to be approved by 75% of the company's creditors first,

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and that hasn't yet happened.

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Now that you've told me that, it actually doesn't put you in

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a better position, it puts you in a worse position.

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It means I've got to act today to secure this debt for our claimant.

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The company may owe money to a number of parties,

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but Lawrence is working for only one of them.

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What I'm going to do, because there's so much stuff here,

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and it's difficult to remove, I am now going to call

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a locksmith and I'm going to secure the premises. I'm going to change the locks,

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secure the premises and take control of goods on the premises.

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That's my only option.

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Unless, of course, the director is able to pay instead.

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The amount due is £5,934.69.

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If I end up having to secure the premises, basically there's

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going to be another £1,800 plus VAT go onto that.

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OK, then, sir. Thanks, bye-bye.

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Apparently he'd sent a letter to our creditor proposing an

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arrangement last Friday.

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But they've sent the same letter to all the different creditors,

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which basically, from my point of view, escalates it, because it

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now means that I've got to protect our creditor's interest.

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And that means getting paid first before anyone else gets

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a slice of the pie.

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It might seem like Lawrence's threat of bringing down the shutters

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is going nuclear, but it seems to be working.

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He said give him 20 minutes, so I think he's now focused his

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mind a little bit and he's going to try and come up with the money.

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20 minutes later, the director does indeed call back.

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This time asking for bank details.

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Right, it's NatWest bank.

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But just as it appears to be heading in the right direction,

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progress stalls.

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No payment is made, and the director keeps asking for more time.

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Another hour passes, and Lawrence is running out of patience.

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I got the gentleman here to phone the director again,

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and he said, "Give him another 15 minutes."

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It's been another 15 minutes, he's trying him again now.

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He's also tried to get a shareholder,

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who apparently is the money man,

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but he's not answering his phone at the moment.

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Not been able to get him, no?

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Although the company seem keen to pay,

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Lawrence is once again forced to consider his options.

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But while he could carry out his threat of securing the premises,

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he's not confident it would result in getting his claimant's money.

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There's not much in the way of assets here,

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it's mainly raw materials, and the preformed bits of building

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that they've already made, which, really, would only be worth scrap value.

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There is a machine for folding the steel, folds it into a

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three-quarter box, which apparently they're about £200,000 new.

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Well, obviously this isn't new,

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and unless there's somebody who specifically wants to buy it,

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we'd probably be looking at scrap value for it, to be honest.

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There is the sign-written pick-up,

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but the rest of the vehicles here appear to belong to the staff.

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-So that white Transit's yours as well, is it?

-Yeah.

-OK.

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But then, finally, Lawrence gets another call.

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-This time from the company's shareholder.

-Hello, sir.

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Lawrence is hoping he will understand the urgency of the situation.

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I've been here since 11:45,

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so I think I've been more than patient so far.

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I have got to execute this writ to its fullest NOW.

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If this isn't paid, I'm going to be pulling the shutters down and

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changing the locks to secure all the assets on site,

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and we will then conduct an on-site auction.

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It doesn't matter where you are in the world, sir, if you've got

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the funds to make a payment, it can be done from anywhere.

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That's me.

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HE LAUGHS

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I'm the good-looking one with the goatee beard.

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It seems the message has sunk in.

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He's on holiday in Cornwall at the moment.

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You could actually hear seagulls in the background when I spoke to him.

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So he said he's not in a position to actually deal with it himself.

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But he's going to phone his daughter.

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I'm a bit more confident there's going to be some money coming now.

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He apologised for the delay.

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I'll give him a few more minutes just to make a couple of phone calls.

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He's seen the programme, so he knows how it works!

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So, yeah, hopefully it's going to get resolved shortly.

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It does. Lawrence soon confirms with his office that a payment has been made.

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Brilliant, cheers. Bye.

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I shall issue you a receipt.

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My favourite bit.

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We got paid in full in the end. Good job, really.

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No aggression, everybody here was amicable.

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There you go. Thanks very much.

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I'm pleased, certainly for the guys here, that I didn't have to...

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didn't have to lock the doors, which obviously is one of the main

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reasons, I think, it got paid, because they wanted to keep

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the business going and keep the guys employed, so that's it.

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We're out of here.

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Cheers, mate. See you later.

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And you.

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Lawrence is on his way,

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and the steel supplier who hadn't been paid has now got its money.

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MetCon Sustainable Building Systems Ltd's application to enter a

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company voluntary arrangement with its creditors has now been successful.

0:18:140:18:19

In the West Midlands, Tommy and Craig are at a used-car dealers

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who owe just over £8,500 to Louise Alderson,

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who bought a car from them which was too dangerous to drive.

0:18:360:18:40

The boss of the business claims all the cars on the forecourt

0:18:400:18:43

today belong to another company.

0:18:430:18:45

But he's not here, and so far has e-mailed through paperwork for just two of them.

0:18:450:18:51

Now Craig's office have rung to say he's sent two more.

0:18:510:18:54

So he's supplied those four. But no others yet.

0:18:540:18:59

So those four are obviously exempt.

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Sheriffs are entitled to do a diligent search of

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a debtor's premises.

0:19:050:19:06

While they wait for the paperwork to trickle in, Craig has a look

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through the filing cabinet to see if he can speed the process up.

0:19:090:19:13

The first thing he finds is a sales ledger.

0:19:130:19:16

The Renault Megane, right there - £2,560.

0:19:160:19:20

Good price...

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for you.

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MAN LAUGHS

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It's not long before he discovers some more interesting information -

0:19:260:19:29

logbooks and sales invoices.

0:19:290:19:33

One immediately catches his attention.

0:19:330:19:36

This document here says "purchased from the third-party company",

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and this is for a Subaru that's outside,

0:19:400:19:42

but it's only an 02 plate, and we're after 8,000 quid.

0:19:420:19:46

There's some of these other vehicles as well.

0:19:460:19:49

The document shows that one of the cars outside was bought FROM

0:19:490:19:53

the very company the sheriffs were told owns everything here.

0:19:530:19:57

Something isn't stacking up.

0:19:570:19:59

Before long, Craig's identified a number of other vehicles too,

0:20:020:20:06

and the sheriffs step outside the cabin to confer in private.

0:20:060:20:10

-We've got an '09 Renault Clio. These are all here.

-Mm-hm.

0:20:100:20:14

The logbooks are in there and the keys are in there as well,

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so the game might be up soon.

0:20:160:20:18

Seize this paperwork, then, yeah? They ain't having it back.

0:20:180:20:21

Craig reckons if these vehicles don't belong to the other company,

0:20:210:20:24

and they're up for sale in the debtor's yard,

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then they must belong to the debtor.

0:20:260:20:30

Confident they're onto a winner, Tommy takes all the keys and

0:20:300:20:33

documents he can from the cabin and locks them in his van.

0:20:330:20:36

Craig calls up the director and gets straight to the point.

0:20:380:20:42

My office have instructed me to let you know that, obviously,

0:20:420:20:45

if this balance isn't paid,

0:20:450:20:46

then we're instructed to remove these vehicles.

0:20:460:20:49

The director still claims the vehicles belong to someone else.

0:20:490:20:53

Sir, I'm not here to argue.

0:20:530:20:55

If you can't provide evidence -

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further evidence, because we've got the evidence here -

0:20:560:20:58

these vehicles will be removed today.

0:20:580:21:01

Unless, of course, he's willing to pay.

0:21:010:21:04

OK, so the choice is yours.

0:21:040:21:06

The balance stands at £8,627.07.

0:21:060:21:10

I need an answer from you, and if you want to pay this bill or not.

0:21:100:21:13

That'll be a no, then, yeah? Right.

0:21:130:21:15

It looks like this is about to become a removal job,

0:21:150:21:18

and just as they start making the calls,

0:21:180:21:20

a third man arrives in the office.

0:21:200:21:23

-Hello, my friend.

-I don't want no camera in here.

0:21:230:21:25

You've got to get out.

0:21:250:21:27

-No, no, no.

-We're here for the, erm...

0:21:270:21:30

I don't want no camera in my face, mate, so get out, please.

0:21:300:21:33

Yeah, yeah...

0:21:330:21:34

Although it's not clear who he is,

0:21:340:21:36

one thing that is certain is he's not pleased to see us.

0:21:360:21:39

He tells the cameraman to leave, but then follows him to the road

0:21:390:21:43

and unleashes an extraordinary tirade of abuse.

0:21:430:21:46

-White

-BLEEP.

-Listen, yeah? You dirty

-BLEEP.

0:21:460:21:49

You feel me?

0:21:490:21:50

-I'll smack your head all over the floor, you white

-BLEEP. BLEEP!

0:21:500:21:55

Have that for the BBC.

0:21:550:21:56

-BLEEP

-dirty

-BLEEP.

0:21:560:21:58

Feel me? You know what?

0:21:580:21:59

-Dirty

-BLEEP!

0:21:590:22:01

Pleased with himself, he heads back to the hut

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and, shortly afterwards, drives off...

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Out my way, mate!

0:22:080:22:10

..but not without once again making known his feelings

0:22:100:22:13

towards the camera.

0:22:130:22:14

Don't film me, mate.

0:22:140:22:15

And he's not done yet -

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ten minutes later, the same man is back,

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this time with a friend in tow, and armed.

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With eggs.

0:22:240:22:25

All right, all right... Lads...

0:22:290:22:31

-MEN LAUGH

-That man got egged!

0:22:310:22:33

The men run off, still hurling abuse.

0:22:330:22:36

Yeah, you're on camera, mate!

0:22:380:22:39

MAN YELLS INDISTINCTLY

0:22:390:22:41

As they leave, one throws a rock.

0:22:410:22:44

-Come on, then, you

-BLEEP!

0:22:440:22:45

What connection, if any, they have to the dealership is unclear,

0:22:450:22:49

and the salesman left behind takes a very different approach.

0:22:490:22:53

Are you OK?

0:22:530:22:55

Tommy, meanwhile, is unfazed.

0:22:550:22:57

We've just been attacked with eggs,

0:22:570:23:00

and they're trying to film it and stuff, so just...

0:23:000:23:03

They look like young lads being idiots,

0:23:030:23:05

but we're going to get the police here now, cos assault's happened.

0:23:050:23:08

It's a bit unfortunate, but part of the job.

0:23:080:23:10

The cameraman's coat's come off worse for wear,

0:23:100:23:13

but luckily no-one's hurt...

0:23:130:23:16

More of it's on your head, mate.

0:23:160:23:18

..and the men have vanished by the time the police arrive.

0:23:180:23:22

Are you all right? It's just that they've ran off.

0:23:220:23:24

-They jumped our cameraman, basically...

-OK.

0:23:240:23:26

..smashed eggs on him, started throwing rocks at him.

0:23:260:23:28

-A rock just skimmed his head.

-OK.

0:23:280:23:30

-And we got you... Obviously, we called you guys.

-All right.

0:23:300:23:34

After speaking to our cameraman, the police head into the cabin.

0:23:340:23:37

They're just going to make a bit of an investigation.

0:23:370:23:40

There was threats made of...that they were going to petrol-bomb us,

0:23:400:23:43

and that they were going to come back,

0:23:430:23:44

so obviously we have to take these things seriously,

0:23:440:23:47

especially the fact they were throwing rocks.

0:23:470:23:50

Craig, meanwhile, has made some progress -

0:23:500:23:53

a friend of the director arrived during the disturbance on the road.

0:23:530:23:56

He's now leaving, but it seems he wants to get the debt paid.

0:23:560:24:00

Luckily for us,

0:24:010:24:03

a friend arrived and managed to talk round the situation to him,

0:24:030:24:07

and it's more cost-effective to pay it now and challenge it later,

0:24:070:24:10

which is exactly what he's going to try and do,

0:24:100:24:12

so, as we speak now, the money's on its way.

0:24:120:24:15

We'll be about another half an hour,

0:24:150:24:17

so we're just getting the receipt ready,

0:24:170:24:19

so, as soon as it turns up, we can count it and be on our way.

0:24:190:24:22

Satisfied the situation has calmed down, the police leave,

0:24:240:24:28

and soon word comes through that the money is ready for collection.

0:24:280:24:33

One of the salesmen goes to pick it up.

0:24:330:24:36

When he returns 45 minutes later, the sheriffs are expectant.

0:24:360:24:41

Oh, look, he's got an envelope.

0:24:410:24:43

-Have we got it? Yeah?

-There we go.

0:24:430:24:46

Have you got the money?

0:24:460:24:48

-No money?

-No.

0:24:480:24:50

-No money at all?

-No, man.

0:24:500:24:52

-Well, where did you go?

-TOMMY LAUGHS

0:24:520:24:54

The man has returned empty-handed.

0:24:540:24:57

That's wasting our time, now - it's as simple as that.

0:24:570:25:01

He said he was going to get the money.

0:25:010:25:03

Quite what has caused the apparent change of heart isn't clear,

0:25:030:25:06

but Craig no longer cares,

0:25:060:25:08

and once again gets the director on the phone.

0:25:080:25:11

Your man's come back without the money,

0:25:110:25:13

so my office has just told us to start removing the vehicles now.

0:25:130:25:17

There's six vehicles to have away.

0:25:170:25:19

No problem, then, sir. Thanks a lot. Bye-bye.

0:25:190:25:22

Done now?

0:25:220:25:23

"Do so as you wish," he said, so that's fine by me.

0:25:230:25:26

All right, then, Tommy-boy, let's get these cars done now, shall we?

0:25:260:25:30

Later, the job goes right up to the wire,

0:25:320:25:35

as the company makes more promises of payment.

0:25:350:25:38

Here we go. He's back.

0:25:380:25:41

Is it...? Have you got the cash now, then?

0:25:410:25:43

Let's have a look at it.

0:25:430:25:44

When debtors can't pay on the spot...

0:25:520:25:55

I'm assuming that you haven't got £5,000.

0:25:550:25:58

Oh, dear.

0:25:580:25:59

..the sheriffs won't always remove assets to get your money.

0:25:590:26:02

Goods go for about a fifth of their true value at auction,

0:26:020:26:05

and it's often better to agree to a payment plan.

0:26:050:26:08

If you can come up with half of it today...

0:26:080:26:10

Do you reckon you can do 200 a week?

0:26:100:26:13

They'll make a list of assets...

0:26:130:26:15

They've got an ice machine, bar-chilling cabinets...

0:26:150:26:18

Television, PlayStation...

0:26:180:26:20

..and a controlled goods agreement is signed,

0:26:200:26:22

making it an offence for anyone else to remove them...

0:26:220:26:26

When you sign the form, it acts as security.

0:26:260:26:29

..and the sheriffs will only return to take the goods if the debtor

0:26:290:26:32

fails to make payments.

0:26:320:26:35

I've signed him up for £1,000 a month.

0:26:350:26:37

Providing you stick to that, you won't hear from us again.

0:26:370:26:40

Cases the sheriffs take on come in all shapes and sizes.

0:26:440:26:48

Debts start at £600, but can reach well into the millions,

0:26:480:26:52

and the debtors are anything from one man and his dog

0:26:520:26:55

to huge corporations.

0:26:550:26:57

For enforcement agent Ken Warby, today's first job is the latter.

0:26:570:27:01

Well, this morning, we are off to a company called Procter & Gamble -

0:27:010:27:05

huge company, soaps and toothpastes and suchlike,

0:27:050:27:10

distributing to many of the big superstores.

0:27:100:27:13

To be specific, Ken's writ is for a division of the corporation

0:27:130:27:17

called Procter & Gamble Product Supply UK Limited,

0:27:170:27:20

which owes a man £3,108 in legal costs...

0:27:200:27:25

..but Ken's not fazed by the company's stature.

0:27:300:27:33

I prefer the bigger companies, actually.

0:27:330:27:35

Yeah. They look after you. Usually got...

0:27:350:27:37

They usually offer you a cup of tea.

0:27:370:27:39

They also shouldn't have a problem coming up with a few grand,

0:27:390:27:42

but how straightforward it'll be is likely to boil down to what

0:27:420:27:46

exactly is at the address he's been given, which is in Essex.

0:27:460:27:50

I think this is an office premises we're going to visit,

0:27:500:27:52

so there should be some assets there.

0:27:520:27:55

I would imagine, a company of this size,

0:27:550:27:58

they will have a head office that would do any payments,

0:27:580:28:03

so I wouldn't imagine the payment would probably come from here.

0:28:030:28:07

But as Ken approaches his destination,

0:28:070:28:09

it becomes clear it's not what he was expecting.

0:28:090:28:13

"P&G London".

0:28:130:28:14

I think we're going in the right direction.

0:28:140:28:16

Instead of a small office with a car park,

0:28:160:28:19

his sat nav has led him to a sprawling industrial site.

0:28:190:28:22

Look at the size of these buildings! Look at the size of them!

0:28:220:28:25

They all seem to be Procter & Gamble,

0:28:250:28:27

and Ken's got no idea where he's going.

0:28:270:28:30

There's no signs up or anything.

0:28:300:28:33

Where would the office be?

0:28:330:28:35

It's got to be around here somewhere.

0:28:350:28:37

I... I can smell soap.

0:28:370:28:39

Eventually, he's directed to a car park outside a chemical plant.

0:28:390:28:44

It looks like Cape Canaveral.

0:28:440:28:46

What kind of assets he could possibly remove from

0:28:460:28:49

a place like this isn't clear.

0:28:490:28:51

Still, he tracks down reception and heads in,

0:28:510:28:56

but before he can utter a word...

0:28:560:28:58

Erm... No, sir. Can you turn that off?

0:29:000:29:02

..our cameraman's asked to leave.

0:29:020:29:04

Inside, Ken begins the task of retrieving the claimant's money.

0:29:060:29:10

He knows all too well that turning up unannounced at the doors

0:29:100:29:13

of huge companies often causes confusion.

0:29:130:29:16

Half the battle is usually finding someone on site who knows

0:29:160:29:20

about the debt or has the authorisation to make a payment.

0:29:200:29:24

This time, Ken gets lucky, and the reception staff manage to

0:29:240:29:28

track someone down who knows about the case -

0:29:280:29:30

even better, they agree to pay it.

0:29:300:29:33

So far, so good -

0:29:330:29:35

only, it turns out not to be that simple.

0:29:350:29:38

Two hours after walking in, Ken comes back out empty-handed.

0:29:380:29:42

They've tried to make the payment by American Express.

0:29:420:29:45

Unfortunately, we don't take American Express,

0:29:450:29:48

and they are the only cards that they've got on the premises.

0:29:480:29:51

So we've had to wait around for the office to contact their head office,

0:29:510:29:57

that isn't here, to make a bank transfer or an alternative card.

0:29:570:30:02

Hopefully they'll do it.

0:30:020:30:04

Ken's hardly worried about the company's ability to pay.

0:30:040:30:07

Although the name on his writ is for one of its UK subsidiaries,

0:30:070:30:11

Procter & Gamble is an American multinational giant,

0:30:110:30:14

with a turnover running into many billions of pounds,

0:30:140:30:18

but, after being here two hours, Ken would rather not have to wait

0:30:180:30:22

much longer for payment, and he doesn't have to.

0:30:220:30:25

The head office have been able to access another card,

0:30:250:30:29

not an Amex card, and the payment's gone through.

0:30:290:30:33

It all went smoothly, really. I didn't have to raise my voice.

0:30:330:30:36

They knew from the off that they owed the money.

0:30:360:30:39

And that means Ken never had to seriously consider removing

0:30:390:30:42

assets from the chemical plant, although he did threaten it.

0:30:420:30:45

I told them my intentions were to list items and have them removed.

0:30:450:30:49

It's not going to happen for a small debt

0:30:490:30:51

for a company of this size.

0:30:510:30:53

If it was, it would end up a right soap story. Excuse the pun.

0:30:530:30:57

Back in the south-east, Lawrence is in the van,

0:31:000:31:03

on his way to enforce another debt.

0:31:030:31:06

He's looking for a businesswoman who, it seems,

0:31:060:31:09

hasn't paid some of her invoices.

0:31:090:31:11

We're in west London.

0:31:110:31:13

We've got a writ against a lady called Nara Simonyan,

0:31:130:31:16

trading as Nara Health & Beauty, so we're off to a beauty parlour.

0:31:160:31:19

It looks quite big.

0:31:190:31:20

The lady owes £2,200 or thereabouts,

0:31:200:31:25

and it's for multimedia marketing which she hasn't paid for.

0:31:250:31:28

The marketing firm has taken Miss Simonyan to court,

0:31:300:31:33

and when she didn't defend the case,

0:31:330:31:35

awarded a judgment against her by default.

0:31:350:31:38

She now owes a grand total of £2,201.

0:31:380:31:42

Lawrence pulls up outside the salon and goes in.

0:31:500:31:54

Hello there. Good morning. I'm looking for Nara Simonyan.

0:31:590:32:01

She's not in yet. Are you able to get her on the phone at all?

0:32:040:32:07

I'll show you some identification as well.

0:32:090:32:10

My name's Mr Grix. I'm an enforcement agent.

0:32:100:32:12

I've got a High Court writ to execute against Nara,

0:32:120:32:16

so it's vital that I speak to her.

0:32:160:32:18

The staff member manages to get through to

0:32:200:32:22

Miss Simonyan straight away, and Laurence is handed the phone.

0:32:220:32:26

Thank you.

0:32:260:32:28

Hello there.

0:32:280:32:30

I've got a High Court writ today against you.

0:32:300:32:32

I believe it's for unpaid multimedia marketing.

0:32:320:32:35

OK, I'm here today to take control of goods to the value of £2201.10.

0:32:360:32:42

Yes, goods which can be removed and sold at auction.

0:32:440:32:48

You're going to do that now, yeah?

0:32:490:32:52

OK.

0:32:520:32:54

Thank you.

0:32:540:32:56

Bye-bye.

0:32:560:32:57

So far, so good.

0:32:570:33:00

Well, she's immediately said, "Oh, don't take anything. I'll pay."

0:33:000:33:04

She said it might take about half an hour,

0:33:040:33:05

and then she's going to let them know here

0:33:050:33:07

once she's made the payment.

0:33:070:33:09

-She said she's going to contact you when she's done it...

-OK.

0:33:090:33:12

..and I'll be able to check with my office.

0:33:120:33:15

It looks like a textbook job,

0:33:150:33:17

but several minutes later there seems to be a change of plan.

0:33:170:33:21

Is she coming here now, is she?

0:33:210:33:23

So, how far...?

0:33:230:33:25

Oh, she's really close, is she?

0:33:250:33:27

Not as far as I'm concerned - I've got a High Court writ.

0:33:310:33:34

Miss Simonyan's belief that the matter is still in court is

0:33:340:33:37

a worrying development for Lawrence,

0:33:370:33:39

especially when, after another 30 minutes waiting around,

0:33:390:33:42

there's no sign of either the debtor or the money.

0:33:420:33:46

A half-hour later, she's still on her way,

0:33:460:33:48

it's going to be 15 minutes, and the case is back in court.

0:33:480:33:52

It's...

0:33:520:33:53

No, it doesn't... It doesn't bode well.

0:33:530:33:56

I don't like being told one thing and then another.

0:33:560:33:59

And soon the staff weighed in,

0:33:590:34:01

saying the matter is still in dispute,

0:34:010:34:03

and they don't think their boss should have to pay.

0:34:030:34:06

Lawrence tries to set them straight.

0:34:060:34:08

The judgment was entered.

0:34:080:34:10

She didn't pay it,

0:34:100:34:11

so they've transferred it to the High Court for enforcement purposes.

0:34:110:34:14

It's not still in the court. It's not still in the court.

0:34:170:34:20

There is a High Court writ.

0:34:220:34:24

She may have a hearing at the court,

0:34:240:34:26

but whatever she's done to get that hearing hasn't affected the writ.

0:34:260:34:30

Lawrence is beginning to wonder whether Miss Simonyan

0:34:300:34:33

really is going to pay,

0:34:330:34:35

and starts to consider his options in case she doesn't.

0:34:350:34:38

Yeah, I know, I'm just having a look round.

0:34:420:34:43

I'm not removing anything yet.

0:34:430:34:46

But she said, initially, she was making the payment,

0:34:460:34:49

and now she's coming here, so...

0:34:490:34:52

In an effort to lighten the mood,

0:34:570:34:58

the staff offer to do Lawrence's nails while he waits,

0:34:580:35:02

but he's not convinced he needs their help.

0:35:020:35:04

I cut my fingernails regularly, with my teeth.

0:35:040:35:07

Besides, there may not be time to rectify the damage done by

0:35:080:35:12

Lawrence's hand-care techniques.

0:35:120:35:14

All right.

0:35:180:35:19

Apparently, the debtor is actually in the bank now.

0:35:190:35:22

So...hopefully she's making the payment.

0:35:260:35:29

She is, and soon confirmation comes through in the form of

0:35:290:35:33

a photo of the paying-in slip.

0:35:330:35:35

-Looks clear enough. Are you able to text that to me?

-Yeah.

0:35:370:35:40

Ms Simonyan has paid the £2,200 owing

0:35:400:35:44

and Lawrence makes a hasty retreat...

0:35:440:35:46

-Thank you.

-Thank you.

-Goodbye.

-Bye.

0:35:460:35:49

..before anyone can suggest a facial.

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That went quite smoothly in the end, really.

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There was a phone call saying she was on her way and the case

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was back in court, et cetera, et cetera, so, for a while,

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I thought she was coming down to have an argument rather than pay

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but then it turns out she was in the bank all along.

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Texted over a photo of the paying-in slip to one of her friends

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in there and the payment was in.

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The marketing company whose invoices went unpaid will now get

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the money they're owed.

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Back in the West Midlands, Tommy and Craig are still at the car dealers.

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They've been there for four hours hoping to collect more than

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£8,500 on behalf of a customer,

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Louise Alderson, who was sold a dangerous second-hand car.

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It's been a very tense day.

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We've been pelted with eggs...

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MEN LAUGH

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..and rocks...

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..by two young men whose connection to the garage is unclear.

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Don't film me, mate!

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Meanwhile, the boss finally agreed to pay, before his courier

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turned up without the cash.

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-No money.

-No.

-No money at all?

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Enough is enough.

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And the sheriffs have now ordered low loaders to come and remove

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a total of six cars from the yard.

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So, the money hasn't arrived,

0:37:120:37:14

I think what they're trying to do is just blag for time, I think.

0:37:140:37:17

I spoke to my office, they're organising the transport

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now and then we'll take it from there.

0:37:200:37:22

Tommy parks the van in the entrance to prevent anyone from trying to

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shut the gates.

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As he does so, he spots a car waiting in the street outside.

0:37:290:37:34

-I think them lads are back here.

-In that car, are they?

0:37:340:37:37

I think that's them, yeah.

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It's not clear who's in the car or what, if anything, they plan to do.

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Either way, it is clear the tension of this job is getting to everyone.

0:37:440:37:49

No money has arrived and it's cold. Freezing.

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I need to go home, I need to lie down.

0:37:540:37:57

But after another chat with his boss, the man says they're

0:37:580:38:01

struggling to raise the money and comes forward with an offer.

0:38:010:38:05

-OK.

-Yes, my friend?

0:38:050:38:07

Is there no possibility at all you can take half the money now

0:38:070:38:10

and take the other half on a bank transfer or something?

0:38:100:38:13

I can't help you, my friend.

0:38:130:38:16

After four tense hours here, and with a bunch of cars they could

0:38:160:38:20

remove, the sheriffs are in no mood whatsoever to do a half-price deal.

0:38:200:38:24

I don't really believe what they're saying,

0:38:250:38:27

especially the way they've messed us around now.

0:38:270:38:29

It's going to go to removal so we're looking to get the six cars gone.

0:38:290:38:33

The car outside, at least, has gone without any further mischief.

0:38:330:38:38

The prospect of vehicles being imminently removed is definitely

0:38:380:38:41

-making the company's attempts to raise the cash more urgent.

-Hello?

0:38:410:38:45

The problem is, now that six low loaders are on the way,

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they'll have to pay for those too.

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-250 plus the VAT times six.

-Six...

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-1,800 quid, isn't it?

-Yeah. Just coming up 1,800 quid.

0:38:530:38:55

-How long has he got before...

-Done. The truck's on the way.

0:38:550:38:58

It's kind of too late, isn't it, now?

0:38:580:39:00

You had the chance over an hour ago.

0:39:000:39:02

What can you do?

0:39:040:39:06

They don't want to pay the extra fees,

0:39:100:39:12

and in an effort to get the removal called off,

0:39:120:39:15

again promise that someone's on the way with cash.

0:39:150:39:17

He's going to be back in 15 minutes maximum. Cancel it, yes?

0:39:190:39:22

-I can't cancel it.

-No, no... You have to.

0:39:220:39:25

I can't. How long have we been here?

0:39:250:39:26

-I know, I know, I know, I understand that.

-I ain't cancelling it.

0:39:260:39:29

I'm not cancelling it at all.

0:39:290:39:31

Craig is no longer interested in promises, only payment.

0:39:320:39:36

As far as he's concerned, it's just a case of waiting to see

0:39:360:39:39

which turns up first, the removal trucks or the money.

0:39:390:39:43

Here we go, he's back.

0:39:440:39:46

It's the staff member who was sent for the money the last time

0:39:500:39:53

but came back empty-handed.

0:39:530:39:55

What's going to happen now?

0:39:550:39:57

Is it... Have you got the cash there now? How much have you got?

0:39:580:40:02

-Got £8,927.

-Let's have a look at it.

0:40:020:40:05

He says he's come back with £300 more than the sheriffs asked for at

0:40:060:40:10

the beginning of the day.

0:40:100:40:12

But that's now not enough, because of the extra fees.

0:40:120:40:15

Craig calls his office.

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Lawrence, there's a whole bundle of cash here now, which is 8,900 quid.

0:40:180:40:24

How much do we need to call this all to a halt?

0:40:240:40:28

According to Lawrence, so far only one removal truck has

0:40:280:40:31

actually set off, so they'll settle for just one cancellation fee.

0:40:310:40:35

Yeah, cheers, mate. Ta-ra, goodbye.

0:40:360:40:38

Which means, provided the cash adds up, this job might finally be over.

0:40:390:40:43

44 20s...

0:40:430:40:45

5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13...

0:40:450:40:49

All looking good so far.

0:40:490:40:51

The gentleman has paid, at the moment, £8,900.

0:40:540:40:58

And with the contents of the salesman's pocket...

0:40:580:41:01

-I've got 70 as well.

-Thank you, my friend.

0:41:010:41:04

..they've come up with enough to satisfy the writ and the sheriffs.

0:41:040:41:08

The tow trucks are called off, Craig finishes writing out the receipt

0:41:080:41:12

he started two hours ago and Tommy gives back their keys and paperwork.

0:41:120:41:18

They've earned these back now.

0:41:180:41:20

All your keys and all the logbooks.

0:41:240:41:26

Take care of yourself. Yeah, sorry about any misunderstanding.

0:41:260:41:29

-No, it's fine.

-Sorry about the...

0:41:290:41:31

I do apologise and have a safe journey home.

0:41:310:41:33

-Yeah, and you, you take care of yourself, mate.

-OK.

0:41:330:41:36

It's taken all day, but with the job finally in the bag,

0:41:370:41:41

the sheriffs are all smiles.

0:41:410:41:43

So, a massive ordeal for us today, bit of drama with the police,

0:41:430:41:47

but finally we won the battle.

0:41:470:41:49

It ended up being exactly what we wanted in the end.

0:41:490:41:52

THEY LAUGH

0:41:520:41:54

The debtor company later appealed the judgment against them

0:41:540:41:58

but a judge rejected their case

0:41:580:42:00

and Louise was finally given back her money.

0:42:000:42:03

If the sheriffs were here now, I'd give them all a big hug and a

0:42:030:42:07

kiss because they've done an amazing job.

0:42:070:42:09

I never thought anyone would be able to get the money,

0:42:090:42:12

it's just fantastic news.

0:42:120:42:14

And it didn't end there.

0:42:150:42:17

Trading Standards subsequently prosecuted the business for

0:42:170:42:20

misdescribing the Fiesta in their advert and for selling Louise

0:42:200:42:23

a dangerous and unroadworthy vehicle.

0:42:230:42:27

They were fined a total of £7,500.

0:42:270:42:31

The best outcome was that the car had a destruction order on it

0:42:310:42:34

and therefore that car will never get back on the road.

0:42:340:42:37

For Louise, it's the end of a long ordeal.

0:42:370:42:40

I'm absolutely relieved, and now it's over, yes,

0:42:400:42:43

maybe I can start to relax and look forward to

0:42:430:42:46

one day buying a new car when I feel more confident about doing so.

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