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British Gas. You won't believe their bills. Harveys furniture. You | :00:07. | :00:10. | |
won't believe their ads. Claire's Accessories. You won't believe | :00:10. | :00:16. | |
their cheek. Plus faulty breast implants. Plus, BT, Halfords, and | :00:16. | :00:26. | |
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Pontins, again. It's Watchdog. The Hello and good evening. Welcome to | :00:42. | :00:47. | |
Watchdog. We're live as usual from Television Centre. Tonight: Breast | :00:47. | :00:51. | |
implants. Leaking chemicals. No payouts. Is there hope for women | :00:51. | :00:57. | |
after all? Whatever is in that implant, seriously, was not meant | :00:57. | :01:01. | |
to be in a human body. I can't believe that they asked me to pay | :01:01. | :01:05. | |
again to correct it. I can't believe that they've made me pay | :01:05. | :01:07. | |
twice. British Gas.Trying to charge thousands for work that doesn't | :01:08. | :01:15. | |
need doing. Harvey's. Old sofa price: �599. New price: �699. And | :01:15. | :01:17. | |
they call it a sale? Plus, Claire's Accessories, great | :01:17. | :01:25. | |
jewellery designs. Pity someone else thought of them first. Have | :01:25. | :01:30. | |
you ever thought of getting someone to dispose of your rubbish? If you | :01:30. | :01:37. | |
have this fella's worth a swerve. He's dumped. He's dumped. Yes, he | :01:37. | :01:43. | |
came, he saw and he tipped. All of our rubbish, even this ferocious | :01:43. | :01:50. | |
and very scary predator, we'll call her Annie. His name is John Ovenell. | :01:50. | :01:55. | |
His game isn't much fun because if you hire him to get rid of your | :01:55. | :01:59. | |
waste, it could be you as well as him before the courts. Find out why | :01:59. | :02:04. | |
later. British Gas, the leading energy | :02:04. | :02:07. | |
provider in the UK with nearly 16 million customers. But when it | :02:07. | :02:14. | |
comes to servicing your boiler, it's also number one for complaints | :02:14. | :02:17. | |
about overcharging and needless work. | :02:17. | :02:23. | |
Boiler break downs can be shocking... Mum! Without cover, you | :02:23. | :02:27. | |
can get alarming bills. If you'd like us to come to your rescue, | :02:27. | :02:35. | |
call us today. A reassuring ad, British Gas promise top quality | :02:35. | :02:38. | |
service, peace of mind and no surprise when's it comes to paying | :02:38. | :02:44. | |
your bills. But do those promises match the reality? Well, with the | :02:44. | :02:50. | |
help of expert plumber Mike Griffin we're going to find out. Sorry I'm | :02:51. | :02:56. | |
late. First stop loyal customer Lois Brown who's been with British | :02:56. | :03:03. | |
Gas for many years paying �18.85 on her plan. | :03:03. | :03:08. | |
The boiler was working fine until it started making strange noises | :03:08. | :03:12. | |
the morning after its last service. A British Gas engineer came back to | :03:12. | :03:16. | |
replace a pipe and to deliver some shocking news. They said it could | :03:16. | :03:20. | |
go on for another five years or it could go tomorrow. He said winter | :03:20. | :03:26. | |
is coming on. That scared me. He said, it means a new boiler and it | :03:26. | :03:33. | |
can be costly. It was. British Gas quoted more than �3,600 for a new | :03:33. | :03:39. | |
boiler. Lois was shocked. She called a local plumber who gave a | :03:39. | :03:42. | |
different diagnosis and different price. He said this is the cause of | :03:42. | :03:46. | |
your trouble Mrs Brown. It was the thermostat control. How much did | :03:46. | :03:56. | |
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that cost? �97. �97? So British Gas quote �3,602.65, local engineer, | :03:56. | :04:03. | |
�97. Mike? Having done an overall check on the boiler visually, to | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
make sure it's performing safely and cleanly, which it appears to be, | :04:07. | :04:11. | |
there's no reason for British Gas to say you need a new boiler. | :04:11. | :04:16. | |
so upset and annoyed. I went straight to the bank and cancelled | :04:16. | :04:23. | |
the home service insurance premiums. Now we all make mistakes and | :04:23. | :04:27. | |
identifying the wrong fault is not unheard of. But claiming a part is | :04:27. | :04:33. | |
obsolete when it's not, now that's unusual. Ask Gareth. We pay for the | :04:33. | :04:39. | |
home care plan which is �16.35 a month. They come out and fix the | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
boiler if it breaks, which it did. They had a look at it and told us | :04:43. | :04:50. | |
that the parts were obsolete. what's this? A gas valve. Is it | :04:50. | :04:55. | |
common? Yeah you can get them all over the place. According to Gareth | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
British Gas don't think so, are you sure? I can see it on that website | :04:59. | :05:04. | |
and that website, over the counter all over the place. British Gas | :05:04. | :05:07. | |
obviously couldn't see it anywhere. They maintained it wasn't available | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
any more. But they did offer a rather familiar solution. They sent | :05:11. | :05:17. | |
a guy out to give us a quote and it was �2,800 for a new boiler. Just | :05:17. | :05:21. | |
to be on the safe side we phoned a local guy. He came round and said | :05:21. | :05:26. | |
he could get the parts the next day. It would be �70. He fix today and | :05:26. | :05:32. | |
it's been fine ever since. British Gas �2,800. Local engineer | :05:32. | :05:38. | |
- �70. Mike? The gas valve has been changed. It's a replacement. It's | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
freely available. It's working properly and it's within the safety | :05:42. | :05:46. | |
requirements. I don't see any reason to change this boiler. | :05:46. | :05:51. | |
Misdiagnosing and claiming parts are obsolete, when they're readily | :05:51. | :05:57. | |
available, could it get any worse? Well, yes. You see, British Gas | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
condemned dorian's boiler even though it was in fine working order | :06:01. | :06:05. | |
The engineer came round to do a service and he said that the boiler | :06:05. | :06:13. | |
had to be condemned. The reason was one of the parts, a flew part was | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
obsolete to. Condemn it he ended up taking parts out of the boiler. He | :06:17. | :06:21. | |
told my wife you might as well throw them away because they'll be | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
no good any more. Luckily he got in contact with a local plumber who | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
discovered that the so-called obsolete part was available and | :06:29. | :06:34. | |
that the old one didn't even need replacing. So I ended up going out | :06:34. | :06:38. | |
and getting all the pieces out of the wheelie bin and kept them, | :06:38. | :06:43. | |
thank goodness. And guess who Mike agrees with? The condition of the | :06:43. | :06:47. | |
flue they have taken out, there is some corrosion on it, I don't think | :06:47. | :06:50. | |
it would allow gass to leak out of it because of the way it seals. | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
There's no good reason to condemn the boiler and change it for a new | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
one. It could have been cleaned up, resealed and put back together. | :06:58. | :07:04. | |
British Gas did eventually put it back together again, but only after | :07:04. | :07:09. | |
being confronted with the plumber's findings. The original engineer | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
rang me up, very apologetic and said he would be round on the | :07:13. | :07:18. | |
Monday to fix the problem and it's been fine ever since. With me now | :07:18. | :07:27. | |
from British Gas, Chris Jansen. British Gas one of the biggest | :07:27. | :07:33. | |
companies in the UK, you must be very ashamed? Well, I'm very | :07:33. | :07:36. | |
disappointed when I watch that video. Obviously, we take customer | :07:36. | :07:40. | |
complaints very, very seriously. I don't want any customer to be upset | :07:40. | :07:44. | |
with British Gas. As you'd expect, I've looked into these complaints | :07:44. | :07:48. | |
and spoken to the engineers, while we did make a mistake and I'm sorry | :07:48. | :07:53. | |
for that, we said some parts were not available, when they were, we | :07:53. | :08:00. | |
are managing 73,000 parts... mistake, �97 part against a quote | :08:00. | :08:05. | |
for nearly �3,000. There are two different points here, one is | :08:05. | :08:08. | |
actually the advice that we gave because we're comparing not really | :08:08. | :08:12. | |
like for like. We think that those boilers should be replaced. We have | :08:13. | :08:16. | |
and I'm proud of our engineers, we have 8,000 brilliant engineers and | :08:16. | :08:22. | |
they give good advice. Let me just ask you, do you think a woman in | :08:22. | :08:29. | |
her 80s, winter's coming, scaring her off, her local plumber does it | :08:29. | :08:36. | |
for �97, �3,600? Which would you choose? I spoke to the engineer | :08:36. | :08:42. | |
today and Gavin went to Mrs Brown's and actually... Did he mean to | :08:42. | :08:48. | |
scare her? Of course not. Why is he saying to her "winter's coming"? | :08:48. | :08:53. | |
Because it was. The boiler is 20 years old and it should be replaced. | :08:53. | :08:57. | |
Tell me this, what we need to understand is what's driving your | :08:57. | :09:01. | |
engineers? Why do they want to dismantle boilers without telling | :09:01. | :09:07. | |
people, why do they want to charge �3,600, are they on commission? | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
engineers are engineers. Are they on commission? You're not answering | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
me No, they're not. They don't get any reward for selling a boiler? | :09:15. | :09:20. | |
they do not get reward for selling a boiler. They are there to fix | :09:20. | :09:25. | |
boilers. They're not in any way benefiting from the boiler, your | :09:25. | :09:30. | |
people that go in there, there's nothing in it for them whatsoever? | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
Our engineers are engineers. They fix boilers. We visit seven million | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
homes a year and actually, 99% of times we fix the boiler. And most | :09:38. | :09:44. | |
of the time, we fix it first time. In the very rare occasion, it's one | :09:44. | :09:48. | |
in 100, we cannot fix a boiler, the engineer sits down with the | :09:48. | :09:52. | |
customer and explains to them the reasons why they should have a new | :09:52. | :09:58. | |
boiler. Do you think your engineers behaved correctly? I think our | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
engineers are fantastic. British Gas is a good company. We give good | :10:01. | :10:04. | |
advice and care for our customers. They have given the right advice. | :10:04. | :10:09. | |
These boilers are 20 years old. One's only 14 years old. One is 14 | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
years and one is 22 years and the other is 20. We mustn't lose sight | :10:13. | :10:18. | |
of the important point here, in two cases we said the boiler should be | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
changed for safety reasons. I stand by that. We mustn't forget that | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
safety is the most important thing and that's what British Gas cares | :10:26. | :10:29. | |
about. Thank you very much. If you'd like to comment on that or | :10:29. | :10:32. | |
any of tonight's stories, here's a reminder of how to do so. For | :10:32. | :10:35. | |
emails: [email protected] is the address. For texts, dial 83199 and | :10:35. | :10:38. | |
start your message with the letters WD. And if you want to get involved | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
in the twitter discussion, our address and hashtag are on your | :10:41. | :10:46. | |
screens now. Coming up, the breast surgery scandal women denied | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
payouts for faulty implants, is it all about to change? Plus, when can | :10:51. | :10:54. | |
you ignore what a judge says? When you're a private parking company, | :10:54. | :10:59. | |
that's when. Never been up before a judge, | :10:59. | :11:04. | |
myself. Always kept my nose clean, doing things by the book is no | :11:04. | :11:07. | |
guarantee of staying out of trouble when you're getting rid of rubbish, | :11:07. | :11:11. | |
though. If you hire the wrong person to do the job, it could be | :11:11. | :11:21. | |
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# How many kind of sweet flowers grow... # | :11:32. | :11:41. | |
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It's spring, when bikers come alive. It's also a perfect time for | :11:42. | :11:50. | |
picnics. I'd like the pork pie. Where's a pickle? I packed mustard. | :11:50. | :11:56. | |
On a mini pork pie? Yeah. Are you some kind of savage? Mustard on a | :11:56. | :12:01. | |
sausage, pickle on a pork pie. What's wrong with you? You've | :12:01. | :12:08. | |
spoiled the picnic. It's broken. What's the matter? Picnics across | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
the country are being ruined not just because of an absence of | :12:12. | :12:16. | |
pickle. This is the reason: Fly- tipping. You've probably heard all | :12:16. | :12:20. | |
about it. You may have thought to yourself, what has that got to do | :12:20. | :12:25. | |
with me? The man from the council has got news for you. He's mad as | :12:25. | :12:29. | |
hell. He's not going to take it any more. Fly-tipping is unacceptable. | :12:29. | :12:34. | |
It's a scourge on the environment. And the Environmental Protection | :12:34. | :12:39. | |
Act section 33 makes it an offence to deposit any waste on land | :12:39. | :12:42. | |
without an environmental permit. Committing such an offence can | :12:42. | :12:47. | |
result in a fine of up to �50,000 or imprisonment. You see, he's | :12:47. | :12:54. | |
furious. Hold on, this bit's worrying. Under section 34 of the | :12:54. | :12:58. | |
act, anybody who produces, keeps, stores or disposes of waste has a | :12:58. | :13:03. | |
responsibility for that waste. So a householder who has produced waste | :13:04. | :13:07. | |
has a responsibility to make sure that whoever they pay to remove the | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
waste or dispose of it is going to take it to an appropriate site and | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
deal with it appropriately. Do you hear that? If someone collects your | :13:15. | :13:22. | |
rubbish and dumps it where they shouldn't, you could enup in court. | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
Swale Borough Council prosecuted three people for that last year. | :13:26. | :13:36. | |
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Quite scary, isn't it? A chap called John Ovenell went round to | :13:36. | :13:41. | |
clear. He thought it was all good until Kent County Council called | :13:41. | :13:47. | |
him saying he found the waste fly tipped. The Council didn't per sue | :13:47. | :13:54. | |
matters because he had paid someone to take it away. How can I be fined | :13:54. | :13:58. | |
for someone else fly-tipping my rubbish. You're legally responsible. | :13:58. | :14:02. | |
You have to check whoever takes your rubbish is entitled to do. So | :14:02. | :14:06. | |
I'm very careful not to put my address in my rubbish. Yeah, but do | :14:06. | :14:12. | |
you know another dustbin that contains size 13 fluffy slippers, a | :14:12. | :14:18. | |
dozen chicken legs and a copy of Grazia? Fair point. It's like your | :14:18. | :14:24. | |
fingerprint, your dustbin DNA. It gives me an idea. You see, we need | :14:24. | :14:29. | |
to see Kent based John Ovenell cheaply and cheerfully ruining the | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
countryside. We get a pile of standard household waste, mattress, | :14:32. | :14:37. | |
sofya, desk. Then we add a few distinctive items from Rogue | :14:38. | :14:41. | |
Traders props cupboard to. Make sure we have the right stuff it's | :14:41. | :14:45. | |
marked with a special UV spray. We plant a tracking device. That way | :14:45. | :14:50. | |
we can keep an eye on our waste and find out where it ends up. | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
We've called John Ovenell out to our house where the lovely | :14:53. | :14:57. | |
homeowner has lumped the waste into a lovely big pile and here comes | :14:57. | :15:07. | |
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He also turns out to be very talkative. He tells us all about | :15:09. | :15:15. | |
his work and his van and his far. But as for his illegal fly-tipping | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
he prefers to keep that a dirty little secret. Sorry John, we are | :15:19. | :15:24. | |
going to bring it right out into the open. Give it about ten minutes. | :15:24. | :15:29. | |
Before that, faulty breast implants. Nearly 50,000 British women | :15:29. | :15:33. | |
affected. All received silicone implants containing industrial- | :15:33. | :15:38. | |
grade chemicals never intended for medical use. In December the French | :15:38. | :15:42. | |
Government recommended that implants in French patients were | :15:42. | :15:46. | |
removed free of charge. Because more and more women had chemicals | :15:46. | :15:52. | |
leaking into their bodies after the implants ruptured. Here women must | :15:52. | :15:57. | |
prove that it is medically necessary before the NHS or clinics | :15:57. | :16:01. | |
will act. Worse, the makers of the implants have gone out of business | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
no-one has been able to get a renund. Those refunds could be -- | :16:05. | :16:09. | |
refund. Those refunds could be worth thousands. But maybe there is | :16:09. | :16:13. | |
hope after all. The French Government said it will | :16:13. | :16:19. | |
pay for 30,000 women to have their breast implants removed as a | :16:19. | :16:23. | |
precautionary measure. When I discovered I had PIP implants and | :16:23. | :16:27. | |
if French Government recommended they be removed from all ladies in | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
France, the first thing I thought was I have to have these removed. I | :16:32. | :16:37. | |
can't live with the worry of what they may be doing inside of me. | :16:37. | :16:41. | |
Rachel had her left breast partially removed after developing | :16:41. | :16:47. | |
cancer in 2009. She opted for reconstructive surgery, costing | :16:47. | :16:53. | |
nearly �6,000. Her surgeon used PIP implants. Seven years on she | :16:53. | :16:59. | |
discovered the same implants contained a gel not intended for | :16:59. | :17:04. | |
use in the human body, but for mattresses. I contacted the clinic. | :17:04. | :17:08. | |
Unfortunately they couldn't help me. I couldn't eat properly. I couldn't | :17:08. | :17:13. | |
sleep. I had to have a date sorted out for when they were going to be | :17:13. | :17:17. | |
replaced. Rachel was too late to stop the implants leaking inside | :17:17. | :17:23. | |
her body. When doctors came to remove them they found a hole the | :17:23. | :17:29. | |
size of a golf ball. They had already ruptured. My left implants | :17:29. | :17:34. | |
had ruptured. My surgeon described it as crumbling. Hit ruptured in | :17:34. | :17:38. | |
several places. Cue see particles of it falling to pieces. I was | :17:38. | :17:43. | |
horrified. That was leaking into my body. Whatever was in that implant | :17:43. | :17:48. | |
seriously was not meant to be in the human body. I hadn't gone to | :17:48. | :17:51. | |
somebody as a breast cancer survivor and having been fully | :17:51. | :17:56. | |
aware I had breast cancer they promised me the best care. I can't | :17:56. | :18:01. | |
believe they used PIP implants and then asked me to pay again to | :18:01. | :18:07. | |
correct it. I can't believe me made me pay twice. Like thousands of PIP | :18:07. | :18:10. | |
patients Rachel has a strong claim. But the chances of them recovering | :18:10. | :18:15. | |
their money have looked slip. Although the law says a is | :18:15. | :18:20. | |
responsible if it sells you a faulty product, this manufacturer | :18:20. | :18:23. | |
has gone out of business. And as the implants were approved as safe | :18:23. | :18:28. | |
by the EU the clinics that fitted them have argued that they did | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
nothing wrong. Let me be dispassionate, I look at this | :18:31. | :18:36. | |
should not as a health issue but a consumer rights issue, seeing if | :18:36. | :18:42. | |
the laws that apply to any purchase can bring hope. The answer is yes. | :18:42. | :18:47. | |
There's a new Avenue to try if they paid on a credit card. One woman in | :18:47. | :18:51. | |
the Midlands tried to claim back the entire cost of her surgery from | :18:51. | :18:57. | |
Lloyds TSB. Under Section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act if you buy | :18:57. | :19:02. | |
something over �100 and pay for any of it on a credit card, the card | :19:02. | :19:06. | |
company is jointly lie financial anything goes wrong with the | :19:06. | :19:13. | |
product. Last month, her claim was successful. Lloyds TSB paid out | :19:13. | :19:18. | |
�3,700. This doesn't set a precedent. And it needs to be | :19:18. | :19:22. | |
understood that usually if it has been over six years since you made | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
your purchase you can't claim. So for women whose implants were | :19:26. | :19:30. | |
fitted before 2006 connectically the deadline's passed. But, because | :19:30. | :19:34. | |
of the circumstances of this scandal they may still have a case. | :19:34. | :19:39. | |
Even those like Rachel whose surgery was eight years ago. The | :19:39. | :19:43. | |
general rule is you have to bring a claim within six years. However, | :19:43. | :19:47. | |
this is an exception. And this exception does apply in the case of | :19:47. | :19:51. | |
the PIP cases. If you suffered a personal injury you can claim | :19:51. | :19:54. | |
within the last three years from when you had knowledge of the | :19:54. | :19:59. | |
injury. We all know this the case of PIP that it only really came to | :19:59. | :20:03. | |
the the public knowledge within the last two years. That means we are | :20:03. | :20:09. | |
well within the three-year period. For Debbie Brewer it is more clear | :20:09. | :20:17. | |
cut. Her implants cost �4,000 250. I've had pain in my left breast for | :20:17. | :20:23. | |
over a year. He a private MRI scan. I had to pay �200 to have this done. | :20:23. | :20:29. | |
I've heard from my GP that I have gel oozing out of my implants into | :20:29. | :20:34. | |
my body. I've paid a lot of money for something that clearly isn't | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
satisfactory. These implants aren't fit for purpose, so I feel that | :20:38. | :20:42. | |
really I should get my money back. The leak means that Debbie has a | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
much stronger case when it comes to proving her implants were faulty. | :20:46. | :20:52. | |
Crucially she underwent her surgery three years ago and she paid for it | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
on her credit card. How strong is her case? I can't see any reason | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
why Debbie won't be successful in making a claim. Her implants are | :21:01. | :21:05. | |
faulty. She had the operation within three years. When you | :21:05. | :21:08. | |
consider everything together it would be a very good case. Of the | :21:08. | :21:13. | |
47,000 British women who received PIP implants, nearly 5 00 are | :21:13. | :21:19. | |
believed to have suffered a rupture. But many whose implants remain | :21:19. | :21:23. | |
intact want them to be removed in case they burst in future Melanie | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
has already gone ahead. I decided this year in January to have the | :21:27. | :21:31. | |
implants removed because I wasn't prepared to take if risk to my | :21:31. | :21:35. | |
health of them rupturing. It's the best decision I made. This is what | :21:35. | :21:38. | |
was removed. I'm very pleased I'm holding it on the outside and not | :21:39. | :21:44. | |
the inside of my body. Melanie's implants may still be in one piece | :21:44. | :21:48. | |
but as she paid more than �3,000 for them by credit card, does she | :21:48. | :21:53. | |
have a case for getting her money back? Under the supply of goods and | :21:53. | :21:58. | |
services Act 1982, it says those implants must be of satisfactory | :21:59. | :22:03. | |
quality. If they are made from industrial-standard silicone rather | :22:03. | :22:09. | |
than medical, and we know that that is the case now, they are not of | :22:10. | :22:13. | |
satisfactory quality. Therefore there's a breach of contract, and | :22:13. | :22:17. | |
this means there's a claim. If there's a claim you can make it | :22:17. | :22:22. | |
against the credit card company under Section 57 or the clinic. | :22:22. | :22:28. | |
Martin, so anyone who has paid on a credit card but only people who've | :22:28. | :22:33. | |
paid on a credit card have a chance of getting their money back? | :22:33. | :22:37. | |
have a joint right to go to either the credit card company or the | :22:37. | :22:42. | |
clinic. You don't have to go toe the clinic first. Credit cards | :22:42. | :22:48. | |
don't have deeper pockets. Clinics are fighting for their lives now. | :22:49. | :22:52. | |
You may stand a better chance, because it won't fight as hard. | :22:52. | :22:56. | |
What if the credit card company says no? This is another advantage, | :22:56. | :23:00. | |
because the clinic says no, you have to go to court. That could be | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
expensive and you could have costs awarded against you. But a credit | :23:04. | :23:09. | |
card company, you can go to the Financial Ombudsman. It can look at | :23:09. | :23:14. | |
is it fair and standard industry practise? Hay Heathrow, Lloyds TSB | :23:14. | :23:21. | |
has paid out. That's the start of an industry practise. But that | :23:21. | :23:29. | |
takes ages? This is PIP, and that tend to be quicker than PPI claims. | :23:29. | :23:37. | |
As long as you have paid over �100? If something costs �5 ,000 and you | :23:37. | :23:42. | |
pay even a penny, the card company is liable for the entire amount. | :23:42. | :23:47. | |
Thank you Martin. Lloyds TSB told us small number of | :23:47. | :23:52. | |
people affected by faulty implants have made claims under section 57. | :23:52. | :23:57. | |
They all say they will look at claims on a case by case basis. | :23:57. | :24:01. | |
Next the British Parking Association, the BPA. It represents | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
private parking companies in the UK. Importantly only its members can | :24:05. | :24:11. | |
buy your details from the DVLA, which enables them to chase drivers | :24:11. | :24:17. | |
for parking charges. And membership of the Association depends on those | :24:18. | :24:23. | |
parking companies abiding by the BPS's code of practice. We've shown | :24:23. | :24:28. | |
how it fails to kick out members who breach that code. We ask: how | :24:28. | :24:33. | |
does the association react when one of its members ignores a judge? | :24:34. | :24:43. | |
Excel Parking Limited, a BPA- approved operator since 1994. An | :24:43. | :24:51. | |
Excel car park in Stockport. It was here that Martin pulled up for a | :24:51. | :24:57. | |
shopping trip in 2010. It looked like a free car parks as so many | :24:57. | :25:01. | |
are in front of the big stores. I came out and found a parking charge | :25:01. | :25:05. | |
notice on the windscreen. That's when I realised that of course I | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
had parked my car at what was a pay and display car park. The average | :25:09. | :25:15. | |
driver would probably just pay up. But Martin is not your average | :25:15. | :25:18. | |
driver. I'm research director of a language commission, so part of our | :25:18. | :25:23. | |
work is to do with clearing up things like poor signs and poor | :25:23. | :25:27. | |
notices and making sure that instructions for consumer products | :25:27. | :25:32. | |
are written in a clear and straightforward way. The BPA code | :25:32. | :25:35. | |
of practice states that car park signs must be clear and visible so | :25:35. | :25:38. | |
that drivers have a chance to understand the terms and charges | :25:38. | :25:42. | |
that apply. I went back to the car park entrance to see where the | :25:42. | :25:46. | |
terms and conditions where. It says on the notice that it is pay and | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
display, but the words pay and display are very small. They are | :25:50. | :25:57. | |
only 13mm high. Twock the Peel Centre is much bigger. Inevitably | :25:57. | :26:03. | |
you think, "That's nice of them, it's a free car park." Martin | :26:03. | :26:06. | |
appealed against the charge. Excel rejected it and appeared determined | :26:06. | :26:13. | |
to get their money. There's a string of letters. We call them | :26:13. | :26:18. | |
threat ograms in the business. I kept saying, "Take me to court, I | :26:18. | :26:22. | |
will fight you in court" which is what they did. The judge did an | :26:22. | :26:27. | |
excellent thing, to go out to the car park herself. She looked at the | :26:27. | :26:30. | |
signs herst and said they weren't adequate or clear and she found in | :26:30. | :26:36. | |
my favour. So I won the case. the hearing at Stockport County | :26:36. | :26:40. | |
court the judge dismissed Excel Parking's claim and ordered the | :26:40. | :26:47. | |
company to pay Martin's expenses. Excel is supposed to be one of the | :26:47. | :26:51. | |
most professional and reputable companies in the business. So what | :26:51. | :26:55. | |
did it do to make sure the sim same thing couldn't happen again? | :26:55. | :27:01. | |
Absolutely nothing. Today the signs are still exactly the safe. Excel | :27:01. | :27:06. | |
has ignored the judge's comments about the size of the wording. The | :27:06. | :27:12. | |
company's managing director olve disagreed with the outcome. He | :27:12. | :27:17. | |
described it as: An embarrassment to the judicial system. He made | :27:17. | :27:21. | |
some pretty rude remarks about the judge too, describing her as not | :27:21. | :27:27. | |
fit to serve in civil courts. as for the BPA? Incredibly it | :27:27. | :27:32. | |
doesn't think the signs needed to change either. That's because the | :27:32. | :27:37. | |
13mm wording does not break the code of practice rules on clarity | :27:37. | :27:41. | |
and visibility. It makes you wonder who actually makes those rules? As | :27:41. | :27:46. | |
a matter of fact they are drawn up by the BPA approved operator board | :27:46. | :27:51. | |
members, one of whom is Simon Renshaw-Smith, managing director of | :27:51. | :27:58. | |
Excel Parking Services Limited. If the BPA rules say it is OK, the | :27:58. | :28:02. | |
signs can stay. If the signage is not clear, it is not | :28:02. | :28:06. | |
straightforward, honest and decent. Honest signage is the crucial thing | :28:06. | :28:13. | |
here. In the three years from 2008 to 2011, Excel Parking issued a | :28:13. | :28:18. | |
total of 11,498 parking tickets to drivers who had parked at the Peel | :28:18. | :28:22. | |
Centre without paying and displaying. That's a pretty big | :28:22. | :28:25. | |
figure. Especially when you compare it to this council-run car park in | :28:25. | :28:31. | |
the centre of town. The car park sit a similar size to the one at | :28:31. | :28:37. | |
the Peel Centre, but the words Pay and Display are nine times larger. | :28:37. | :28:45. | |
Compared to Excel Parking's 11-and- a-half ,000 tickets the town centre | :28:45. | :28:51. | |
issued just 3 ,000 nicts the same period. Lettering nine times small | :28:51. | :28:56. | |
earn, number of tickets issued nearly four times higher. The BPA | :28:56. | :28:59. | |
says its code of practice sets the standard for the private parking | :28:59. | :29:03. | |
industry. But with rules that allow signs like these, isn't it time to | :29:03. | :29:13. | |
:29:13. | :29:14. | ||
With me now the chief executive of the British Parking Association, | :29:14. | :29:19. | |
Patrick Troy. A judge says the writing on the signs are too small, | :29:19. | :29:24. | |
one of the Excel Parking signs and doesn't seem to bother your members | :29:24. | :29:29. | |
at all. Well, let's get a couple of things clear here. This is | :29:29. | :29:33. | |
unregulated, the private parking sector in this country. There is no | :29:33. | :29:36. | |
regulation, therefore there's no regulation of signage. What we try | :29:36. | :29:43. | |
to do at BPA is establish some form of signage which motorists can | :29:43. | :29:46. | |
better understand. The difficulty is that for every court case that | :29:46. | :29:50. | |
goes against an operator on signage, I can show you one which says that | :29:50. | :29:55. | |
signage is OK. OK, would you blame our viewers watching that if they | :29:55. | :30:00. | |
thought that's a very crafty way to make money, it's a cash cow that | :30:00. | :30:08. | |
small writing. No, I don't think it is. Really?! Your reporter missed | :30:08. | :30:12. | |
the pictogram which clearly shows a bigger hand with a coin in it, | :30:12. | :30:16. | |
people who are less able to read find that ease tkwror understand. | :30:16. | :30:21. | |
OK, pay and display, it's less than half an inch, which is what I'm | :30:21. | :30:26. | |
holding up now, remember a driver is driving past it and so they're | :30:26. | :30:32. | |
going into the distance with this half an inch, which says "pay and | :30:32. | :30:36. | |
display". You've had 11,000 penalty charges in the last few years | :30:36. | :30:41. | |
because people didn't see it and didn't pay and display. | :30:41. | :30:46. | |
statistic... Wait a minute. Have you got an elderly aunt, would she | :30:46. | :30:52. | |
see that? I... No, no answer me. haven't got one. You haven't, do | :30:52. | :30:55. | |
you know somebody elderly who would be happy to see that, half an inch | :30:55. | :31:00. | |
and they're driving past it? They could see the picture more easily | :31:00. | :31:04. | |
than words. That's my point. What's more important is that something | :31:04. | :31:07. | |
like a million people use that car park every year, do you know how | :31:07. | :31:11. | |
many people pay because they see the signs 99.66%. I think if you | :31:11. | :31:15. | |
park in a car park and you use that car park for whatever purpose, you | :31:15. | :31:19. | |
should check out what the terms and conditions are before you leave the | :31:19. | :31:23. | |
car park. Thank you Mr Troy I have to finish there. | :31:23. | :31:27. | |
Excel Parking told us the court case we featured was an isolated | :31:27. | :31:31. | |
incident. They believe it was a draif error of judgment. It's set | :31:31. | :31:36. | |
no legal precedent. They say the signs exceeded the bfr PA standard | :31:36. | :31:41. | |
and it benefits from the 99.6% adherence shows the vast majority | :31:41. | :31:45. | |
of drivers understand it is a pay and display car park. | :31:45. | :31:51. | |
Till to come: Harveys - a there's a sale on, so why is the price | :31:51. | :31:54. | |
higher? And Claire's accessories, top mark for this jewellery, no | :31:54. | :32:01. | |
marks for originality. Time to meet John Ovenell now, the | :32:01. | :32:05. | |
man who could land you in court simply by getting rid of your waste. | :32:05. | :32:10. | |
That's because he disposes of it illegally and as far as the law's | :32:10. | :32:14. | |
concerned, that makes you responsible. So while he advertises | :32:14. | :32:19. | |
his services as cheap and cheerful, any dealings with him could prove | :32:19. | :32:24. | |
expensive and miserable. John's come out to our house where | :32:24. | :32:30. | |
we've marked a load of waste with a special UV spray. Homeowner Nicky | :32:30. | :32:34. | |
has concealed a GPS tracker among the pile to track its progress. | :32:34. | :32:41. | |
John is cheerful. And at �45 for this collection, he's also cheap. | :32:41. | :32:46. | |
But then price isn't the issue here. Disposing of the waste illegally is. | :32:46. | :32:56. | |
:32:56. | :32:56. | ||
Apology for the loss of subtitles for 48 seconds | :32:56. | :33:45. | |
Hmmm... You wouldn't be lying would Bexley tip, that would be six miles | :33:45. | :33:50. | |
south in that direction. It offers full recycling services, including | :33:50. | :33:56. | |
batteries and motor oil. Whoa there! John is obviously trying to | :33:56. | :34:00. | |
make out that he's as environmentally responsible as they | :34:00. | :34:10. | |
:34:10. | :34:22. | ||
come. As well as the green spiel, On the surface, this sounds lick a | :34:22. | :34:27. | |
tip to avoid identity theft, but of course we know that looking through | :34:27. | :34:31. | |
paper work is one way the Council can trace your rubbish back to you | :34:31. | :34:41. | |
:34:41. | :34:43. | ||
Now as he leaves, our trackers begin to work. He doesn't go to | :34:43. | :34:48. | |
Bexley tip in a southerly direction. Instead he heads for home in | :34:48. | :34:52. | |
Sittingbourne, Kent, where the rubbish stays outside all afternoon. | :34:52. | :34:59. | |
Then night falls and an owl makes this noise: OWL HOOTS | :34:59. | :35:04. | |
Though it could be Dan. We heard this he tends to fly-tip | :35:04. | :35:11. | |
between 5am and 7am. However, just before 4am he's on the move. Our | :35:11. | :35:18. | |
team is not too far behind him tracking him all the way. And then, | :35:18. | :35:23. | |
at 4.40am he dumps the rubbish in Kent. | :35:23. | :35:33. | |
:35:33. | :35:40. | ||
Not too long afterwards, our team Dawn breaks in the garden of | :35:40. | :35:45. | |
England. The birds are going chirpy, chirpy, cheep, cheep. And here | :35:45. | :35:50. | |
comes someone who isn't terribly cheerful. Farmer Mark Chapman runs | :35:50. | :35:55. | |
the orchard where our waste along with someone else's has ended up. I | :35:55. | :35:58. | |
take it you turned up to work this morning and discovered this? Yes, | :35:58. | :36:04. | |
we did. It's not for the first time. You struggle, you suffer a lot from | :36:04. | :36:07. | |
fly-tipping? We've had it in the past, yes. What's the impact of | :36:07. | :36:11. | |
this stuff being left here? First thing is the rubbish itself, | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
followed by the damage to the gate. It's all pushed in, bent, again | :36:15. | :36:19. | |
it's just another cost for us now. You don't actually know what's in | :36:19. | :36:27. | |
there. It could be anything. If there are any sharps that my guys | :36:27. | :36:31. | |
will hurt ourselves on. We'll be here for two, three hours, blocking | :36:31. | :36:36. | |
up the road, tractors, trailers. All this time you should be | :36:36. | :36:40. | |
spending growing apples. We feel partially responsible for this | :36:40. | :36:45. | |
being here. We're going to help you clean it up. It would be a big help. | :36:45. | :36:54. | |
We struggle sometimes to get it moved on quick enough. Cheers Mark. | :36:54. | :37:02. | |
This is coming home with me, evidence. Unhappy farmer hey? | :37:02. | :37:06. | |
would you like it? I wouldn't. But how do you know it's our stuff? | :37:06. | :37:11. | |
mean apart from the mattress, the chair, the TVs, the desk, the GPS | :37:11. | :37:17. | |
tracker an the UV spray? Still not convinced. Yeah, well, how about | :37:17. | :37:27. | |
:37:27. | :37:28. | ||
these. Look at that, burnt Dimbleby pants. They could be anyone's. | :37:28. | :37:32. | |
ginger wig. That could be Elton John's. This is the clincher, your | :37:32. | :37:37. | |
picture of Cheggers. No, it's broken. Convinced now? Yes. There's | :37:37. | :37:41. | |
still rubbish out there. I have journalistic things to do. There's | :37:41. | :37:45. | |
your high vis, go and get busy. That's really uncool. Yeah, never | :37:45. | :37:55. | |
:37:55. | :38:05. | ||
Look at all the hassle just one incident of fly-tipping madness has | :38:05. | :38:12. | |
caused. A skip, three men working flat out, one slightly grumpy | :38:12. | :38:22. | |
Portuguese man. Why did I have to get this job, Matt? So what have we | :38:22. | :38:27. | |
learned after that? One, John Ovenell is a fly-tipper. Two, he | :38:27. | :38:32. | |
does his dirty work when it's dark. Three, he has no respect for | :38:32. | :38:35. | |
Cheggers. Clearly, this can't be allowed to | :38:35. | :38:39. | |
continue. I can sense another late night coming on. We need to catch | :38:39. | :38:47. | |
him in the act. Stay awake and keep watching. | :38:47. | :38:51. | |
Moon river? Do you like that bit of music? We're going to talk about | :38:51. | :38:55. | |
jewellery. I think you deserve something special. But not from | :38:55. | :38:59. | |
Tiffany's? No it's Claire's Accessories. Get real girl. Do you | :39:00. | :39:06. | |
like the look of them? Ah, yeah. Yeah, you may have seen a recent | :39:06. | :39:11. | |
stories where they were accused of copying another company's designs. | :39:11. | :39:15. | |
Tatty Devine sells hand-made jewellery from two bueteebgz in | :39:15. | :39:18. | |
London. It has a big following in the fashion world and Mary Portas | :39:18. | :39:22. | |
and Jessie J are fans. They've bb in the news for another reason. | :39:22. | :39:25. | |
They've threatened Claire's with legal action. This was the reason | :39:25. | :39:30. | |
why: Look at these pieces here: First the dinosaur necklace was | :39:30. | :39:37. | |
launched in 2004 selling for �114. It would look nice with that dress. | :39:37. | :39:42. | |
And very distinctive too at least they thought it was until they went | :39:42. | :39:46. | |
shopping. We went into the Claire's Accessories and I saw the dinosaur | :39:46. | :39:51. | |
necklace from across the room and was astounded by its similarity. | :39:51. | :39:55. | |
One of the most important things about what we do is creating | :39:55. | :40:00. | |
original design to. See something so similar in a High Street giant | :40:00. | :40:05. | |
store felt, it really felt quite strange. We've been making the | :40:05. | :40:08. | |
dinosaur necklace for ten years. You get a very intimate knowledge | :40:08. | :40:12. | |
of the shapes and the scale of the piece. Then just to see it | :40:13. | :40:19. | |
completely out of context, it was shocking. There you are, Tatty | :40:19. | :40:20. | |
Devine version, Claire's Accessories version, what do you | :40:21. | :40:28. | |
think? It's very suspicious. Yes. It becomes even more so when you | :40:28. | :40:32. | |
look at a couple of other incredibly similar designs. Take | :40:32. | :40:38. | |
this one, this is the original fishbone and under the counter, | :40:38. | :40:42. | |
that's selling for �39... You'd be good at this. Here's one from | :40:42. | :40:45. | |
good at this. Here's one from Claire's for �5. Then the banana | :40:45. | :40:51. | |
necklace. Their version on sale for �66 for two years and then there's | :40:51. | :40:57. | |
the High Street rival selling this one at �5. That's incredible, | :40:57. | :41:00. | |
especially the banana necklace. How do they get away with it? They | :41:00. | :41:04. | |
don't as from today. After Tatty Devine's owners discovered the | :41:04. | :41:08. | |
items, they not only consulted lawyers, they posted the | :41:08. | :41:11. | |
photographs on the internet leading to loads of publicity and a huge | :41:11. | :41:15. | |
backing for their fight. Eight weeks later, they've won. They have | :41:15. | :41:19. | |
given a joint statement to watchdog in which they say the dispute has | :41:19. | :41:23. | |
been redissolved. The terms of the agreement is confidential. The | :41:23. | :41:26. | |
banana, dinosaur and fishbone necklaces have been removed from | :41:26. | :41:32. | |
sale in all Claire's Accessories stores worldwide. They add another | :41:32. | :41:36. | |
three Claire's necklaces, those featuring a moustache, glasses and | :41:36. | :41:40. | |
muedsical notes will remain available for purchase. These items | :41:40. | :41:43. | |
are similar, but Tatty Devine tell us they're satisfied with how the | :41:43. | :41:48. | |
stkpwuet has been resolved. I'm so glad we cleared thaup. | :41:48. | :41:57. | |
Crack on. Tesco, TalkTalk, Harveys packing ads with small prints and | :41:57. | :42:03. | |
disclaimers and all in Rick Wakeman's sights tonight. | :42:03. | :42:10. | |
Ah, yes, a lie-in, a lazy day ahead an the telly. I do love daytime TV. | :42:10. | :42:15. | |
an the telly. I do love daytime TV. Apart from stuff like this: | :42:15. | :42:24. | |
Introducing new Ricky bics, Italian-style cereal. These are | :42:24. | :42:29. | |
delicious and they're loved by the majority of people and now, there's | :42:30. | :42:35. | |
50% less salt in some varieties and what's more, buy two and get one | :42:35. | :42:45. | |
:42:45. | :42:50. | ||
free. Wow! You can even enter our Yeah, wow, it's bad enough having | :42:50. | :42:54. | |
all those ads interrupting your favourite programmes, even worse is | :42:54. | :43:02. | |
seeing all those get-out clauses they use. Take Sainsbury's, and | :43:02. | :43:05. | |
their promise to match the price of branded products that you can find | :43:06. | :43:08. | |
cheaper elsewhere. They've been banging on about it for months, | :43:09. | :43:13. | |
which is about as long that's takes to read the list of disclaimers, | :43:13. | :43:20. | |
just look at them all. You have to spend at least �20. It doesn't | :43:20. | :43:24. | |
apply online. Or in convenience stores. You have to price match | :43:24. | :43:27. | |
across your whole basket of brands, not just the ones that are cheaper | :43:27. | :43:33. | |
elsewhere. Then there are hundreds of products which aren't included | :43:33. | :43:40. | |
and even then, you can only claim a coupon with a maximum value of | :43:40. | :43:44. | |
�106789 -- �10. Ads in newspapers use the same trick and you have to | :43:44. | :43:50. | |
watch out for the dreaded asterisk. Look at this add for talk tag. Half | :43:50. | :43:57. | |
price and the 3.25 are in massive letters, but read the disclaimer: | :43:57. | :44:05. | |
Oh, no, yeah, you guessed, it's not �3.25. At least not when you add on | :44:05. | :44:10. | |
the �30 or �50 connection fee plus the �13.80 a month line rental that | :44:10. | :44:17. | |
comes with a 12-month contract. Perhaps we've become so used to | :44:17. | :44:21. | |
seeing all this information, we don't bodger to read it. But | :44:21. | :44:28. | |
believe me, you really do need to keep paying attention. | :44:28. | :44:33. | |
Look at this ad from Harveys that appears to offer massive discounts | :44:33. | :44:38. | |
on sofas. Then have a closer look at that supposedly bargain sale | :44:38. | :44:45. | |
price of �699. It's actually �100 more than the previous price on the | :44:45. | :44:54. | |
screen. So, we've had too much information and eyebrow-raising | :44:54. | :44:59. | |
information. A newer kind of disclaimer concerns questionable | :44:59. | :45:05. | |
market research. Want to know more? Ask the man from Dell Monte. | :45:05. | :45:12. | |
jort of people preferred the taste of Dell Monty. He claimed that the | :45:12. | :45:16. | |
majority of people liked to say yes to his orange juice compared to the | :45:16. | :45:20. | |
leading brand. The small print show that's boast is based on a survey | :45:20. | :45:28. | |
of only 144 respondants, 54% of whom preferred Del Monte. That | :45:28. | :45:34. | |
means 46% of people didn't prefer I suspect most of these disclaimers | :45:34. | :45:37. | |
are there to stop the companies getting into trouble with the | :45:37. | :45:41. | |
advertising authorities for making misleading claims. Doesn't always | :45:41. | :45:48. | |
work, though. Tesco's fell foul of the authority with this press claim | :45:48. | :45:51. | |
that their British iceberg lettuces go from farm to store within 24 | :45:51. | :45:58. | |
hours. When challenged by the ASA that this might not be true they | :45:58. | :46:04. | |
said: "Mere puffery, which did not require objective substanciation. | :46:04. | :46:09. | |
The average consumer would interpret the ad to mean the | :46:09. | :46:14. | |
lettuce was transported from the field to a customer's salad | :46:14. | :46:21. | |
quickly." Why not just say that Tesco say their disclaimer was | :46:21. | :46:25. | |
there to insure that customers understood that in rare | :46:25. | :46:29. | |
circumstances the product may not arrive into their stores as quickly | :46:29. | :46:34. | |
as normal. Sainsbury's say millions of people benefit from the brand | :46:34. | :46:38. | |
match scheme. They state that the exclusion is to avoid customer | :46:38. | :46:42. | |
disappointment. Harvey's say they have to display previous prices to | :46:42. | :46:48. | |
comply with regulations. The sofa in the ad was sold at one lower | :46:48. | :46:53. | |
price, as well as two higher prices. TalkTalk say all phone and | :46:53. | :47:03. | |
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broadband providers advertise and it is clear, with no hidden charges. | :47:04. | :47:08. | |
Thank you to everyone who has been in touch with that story. Here is a | :47:08. | :47:11. | |
few more. Water users, that's you and me. Not | :47:11. | :47:17. | |
only have millions of us got a hosepipe ban to deal with, we've | :47:17. | :47:21. | |
been buying something we may not need. We spend �100 million on | :47:21. | :47:26. | |
insurance for pipes each year even though most water companies provide | :47:26. | :47:30. | |
a subsidised or free repair service. Strange then that nine of them have | :47:30. | :47:35. | |
been trying too persuade us to buy those sometimes unnecessary third | :47:35. | :47:38. | |
party protection policies. The Consumers' Association Which? Found | :47:38. | :47:42. | |
them pushing the insurance via direct mail promotions, sometimes | :47:42. | :47:47. | |
on their own headed notepaper. Now the industry regulator Ofwat says | :47:47. | :47:51. | |
it has raised concerns about the practise with the Financial | :47:51. | :47:55. | |
Services Authority. So, as the drought spreads, don't waste water. | :47:55. | :48:01. | |
Or your money. BT has been accused of making | :48:01. | :48:06. | |
misleading claims about the speed of its Infinity broadband service. | :48:06. | :48:11. | |
They launched it claiming you could share photos and videos at | :48:11. | :48:21. | |
:48:21. | :48:26. | ||
unbeatable speeds, but it didn't They said they thought the viewers | :48:26. | :48:29. | |
would understand what the claims were referring to. The Advertising | :48:29. | :48:34. | |
Standards Authority disagreed. As the company were unable to provide | :48:34. | :48:38. | |
evidence that their download speeds were unbeatable, they've band their | :48:38. | :48:44. | |
TV, press and online ads. A holiday at Pontins for a bargain | :48:44. | :48:49. | |
price in Jubilee week? Who could resist? When this online ad | :48:49. | :48:54. | |
appeared in January customers couldn't wait to make their | :48:54. | :49:04. | |
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bookings. Seven nights at the resort in Somerset for just � 35 | :49:04. | :49:08. | |
for an apartment. But Pontins has cancelled the bookings and its | :49:08. | :49:16. | |
website is offering the same week at the end of May for �347. Pontins | :49:16. | :49:21. | |
say the original ad was a clear cal error. But customers say they were | :49:21. | :49:25. | |
given no explanation. They were however projectsed a phone call | :49:25. | :49:28. | |
from Pontins operations manager, Eileen Downey, although they are | :49:28. | :49:34. | |
still waiting a great shame for all of us. It would have been so nice | :49:34. | :49:41. | |
to hear from her again. Although they are now writing to | :49:41. | :49:48. | |
customers. Time's nearly up for Mr John | :49:48. | :49:52. | |
Ovenell, the fly-tipper who ruthlessly disposed of our waste, | :49:52. | :49:56. | |
including our photo of Cheggers. How could he? One of the questions | :49:56. | :50:02. | |
I want to ask him. But first, I need a cunning plan. And the | :50:02. | :50:10. | |
cunning plan is... It is sort of the same plan as last time. If it | :50:10. | :50:16. | |
ain't broke... Yep, we've called him out again to dispose of | :50:16. | :50:22. | |
furniture, marked with a UV spray, and a couple of concealed trackers. | :50:22. | :50:28. | |
We've also got this lioness, who at first glance is scary and vicious, | :50:28. | :50:32. | |
but is a pussycat. We'll call her Anne Robinson. And it is time John | :50:32. | :50:41. | |
Ovenell is here. And right on cue, he is! Once again he's in a chatty | :50:41. | :50:45. | |
mood. Last time he was keen to tell us how he disposed of waste | :50:46. | :50:51. | |
responsibly. This time he wants to talk about his qualifications. | :50:51. | :50:57. | |
asked for my waste licence. I said two seconds. I go in my glove box | :50:57. | :51:03. | |
and say there is my number there, and they say, "See you later." | :51:03. | :51:07. | |
nice story, John, but the trouble is you don't actually have a waste | :51:07. | :51:16. | |
carrier's licence. We pay him the agreed �50 and he is off. Where | :51:16. | :51:23. | |
would he be heading? We track our rubbish, and off a | :51:23. | :51:30. | |
couple of detours it ends up outside his house. There it is. And | :51:30. | :51:40. | |
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there it is again a few hours later at dusk. And then the sun sets. It | :51:41. | :51:45. | |
is the perfect time for a fly- tipper. While this music provides | :51:45. | :51:49. | |
the perfect soundtrack for following one, it kind of builds | :51:49. | :51:54. | |
the tension. John Ovenell is on the road making a big Tuesday night of | :51:54. | :51:59. | |
it. He's heading into London. He's about ten miles from home with his | :51:59. | :52:04. | |
truck full of rubbish, some of which is ours, and our tracker. | :52:04. | :52:09. | |
Where he drops it we do not know. It could be your town. John Ovenell | :52:09. | :52:13. | |
could be coming to your town with our rubbish. Not me though. I'm | :52:13. | :52:17. | |
heading to his town. I want to be waiting outside his house when he | :52:17. | :52:22. | |
gets home. The surveillance team follow him tall way to Esher in | :52:22. | :52:29. | |
Surrey where, at 1.20am... Oh, my God, he's dumped! He's gone and | :52:29. | :52:35. | |
done it again. This time unloading our rubbish by the side of the road | :52:35. | :52:41. | |
next to a rugby club. It is definitely ours. Isn't that right, | :52:41. | :52:45. | |
stuffed Anne Robinson? After that illegal unloading we were expecting | :52:45. | :52:52. | |
him to come back to his house where I was sat waiting until the early | :52:52. | :52:56. | |
hours. But we didn't see him. After morning broke we came one a plan | :52:56. | :53:02. | |
which meant I could finally talk to him. It is now a quarter to one and, | :53:02. | :53:11. | |
as you can see, I'm in the road traders -- Rogue Traders spring- | :53:11. | :53:16. | |
summer collection. We are waiting for John Ovenell. We've called him | :53:16. | :53:22. | |
out again to pick up another load of rubbish. There is no other load. | :53:22. | :53:26. | |
We are done giving John Ovenell any more things to leave by the side of | :53:26. | :53:31. | |
roads. All he will find when he gets here is us. And here he is. He | :53:31. | :53:38. | |
is not happy that our van is parked in his way. I know the grumpy | :53:38. | :53:45. | |
feeling John. Some of us have been up all night. Hello mate, are you | :53:45. | :53:50. | |
alright? Sorry, is you couldn't park here could ya? A I've got a | :53:50. | :54:00. | |
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We think we've been rumbled but no, our driver moves to make room for | :54:03. | :54:10. | |
him. Having repositioned the van, it is then time for me to make my | :54:10. | :54:19. | |
move. Hi John, Matt alwrite BBC Rogue Traders, how you doing? Can | :54:19. | :54:23. | |
we talk about fly-tipping, where you've taken rubbish from us and | :54:23. | :54:30. | |
it's ended up by the side of the road. It wasn't me. You have. We | :54:30. | :54:34. | |
followed that rubbish as it ended up by the side of the road. | :54:34. | :54:40. | |
Unfortunately it is you John. That's what you've done on so many | :54:40. | :54:45. | |
other occasions. See you John, bye- bye. | :54:45. | :54:52. | |
That's John Ovenell. Advertised himself as cheap and cheerful. | :54:52. | :55:00. | |
Today it seems just cheap. I'm quite used to rogues doing a runner | :55:00. | :55:07. | |
without saying much, but I was expecting a bit more from John. | :55:07. | :55:11. | |
This is the same guy who could chat for Britain when called out for a | :55:11. | :55:15. | |
job. I've got a field with some horses | :55:15. | :55:21. | |
on down in Kent. So has the chatty man taken a vow of silence? | :55:21. | :55:27. | |
Well, no. We've just driven round the corner, | :55:27. | :55:33. | |
having had a brief conversation with John Ovenell and he's called | :55:33. | :55:43. | |
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Don't lie John. Well, from Mr Cheap and cheerful I would say that's a | :56:19. | :56:21. | |
bit rich. He has been back in touch to tell | :56:21. | :56:24. | |
us he doesn't fly-tip. He admits he doesn't have a waste carrier's | :56:24. | :56:29. | |
licence but does have the forms to apply for one. He's apologised to | :56:29. | :56:34. | |
the farmer and says he is not going to collect waste any more, even for | :56:34. | :56:38. | |
�1,000. He did do one last pick-up though. Remember that second lots | :56:38. | :56:43. | |
of rubbish he dumped? Before we could clear it away he gathered it | :56:43. | :56:47. | |
up and dumped it back on the driveway of the house we had rented. | :56:47. | :56:53. | |
But at least that means we got Annie back. There she is. It is a | :56:53. | :56:58. | |
good photo. It is not as good as this one here. John Ovenell, not to | :56:58. | :57:01. | |
be confused with anyone else advertising cheap and cheerful | :57:01. | :57:06. | |
clearance, is the latest face on our rogues' gallery. | :57:06. | :57:10. | |
Hundreds of you have been getting in touch about the British Gas | :57:10. | :57:15. | |
story. A lot are claiming to have had the same issues - boilers being | :57:15. | :57:21. | |
condemned and then told by other engineers that they are no working | :57:21. | :57:28. | |
order. Chris Jansen said anyone with concerns about advice or | :57:28. | :57:34. | |
service should contact him drefplt -- drefplt | :57:34. | :57:39. | |
-- directly. Keep sending us your stories and | :57:39. | :57:46. | |
tip-offs. Go to our website - bbc.co.uk/watchdog. Click where it | :57:46. | :57:52. | |
says your story. Or you can write to us. | :57:52. | :57:56. | |
Next week, Barclays. Has someone raided your account? Good luck | :57:56. | :58:01. | |
getting your money back. If I at - faulty power steering. Can | :58:01. | :58:05. |