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Viagogo, Seatwave, StubHub, the agencies all advertising fake | :00:08. | :00:14. | |
tickets. Disneyland Paris and the ?2000 holiday to a construction | :00:15. | :00:18. | |
site. FIFA 14 and the button clicks that are costing parents hundreds. | :00:19. | :00:26. | |
Plus BT Openreach, and the top brands that say they are factor 30 | :00:27. | :00:30. | |
when they are not. Its watchdog, the programme you cannot afford to miss. | :00:31. | :00:53. | |
Good evening and welcome to Watchdog, live for the next 60 | :00:54. | :01:00. | |
minutes. Tonight, a Wimbledon final ticket nearly ?12,000. But Michael | :01:01. | :01:07. | |
Buble, ?2000. Agencies selling tickets that don't exist. As I got | :01:08. | :01:11. | |
there there were two other people in the seat. Then another two people | :01:12. | :01:16. | |
arrived. I was split -- spitting blood. Are your children playing | :01:17. | :01:23. | |
FIFA 14 on PlayStation or Xbox? Beware of the shock bills. BT | :01:24. | :01:28. | |
Openreach ordered to fix your phone within 48 hours. Disneyland Paris, | :01:29. | :01:32. | |
this luxury hotel is currently a building site. News to some families | :01:33. | :01:38. | |
who booked last year. Holidays are a time to relax, put your feet up. | :01:39. | :01:42. | |
Maybe you are more of a staycation kind of guy, like me, then you can | :01:43. | :01:47. | |
do that at home with one of these, a special Cheltenham armchair, as sold | :01:48. | :01:52. | |
by tonight's Rogue Traders, Great British Mobility Ltd of | :01:53. | :01:54. | |
Weston-super-Mare. Their salesmen will tell you just about anything to | :01:55. | :02:01. | |
get you to part with your cash. This control has an in-built massage | :02:02. | :02:04. | |
system. The massage stimulates the blood, get oxygen into it. You can | :02:05. | :02:08. | |
sit on one of these chairs, press the button and it's like going for a | :02:09. | :02:13. | |
walk. Which, as you can probably guess, is nonsense. How much does | :02:14. | :02:18. | |
Great British Mobility want for it? A chair would cost you ?3860. Nellie | :02:19. | :02:28. | |
for grand? Tonight, like Bouley and Queen, we're put under pressure to | :02:29. | :02:30. | |
buy ridiculously priced furniture that doesn't do what it claims. Grab | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
your slippers, hit the recline but, we've got a home visit. The hottest | :02:36. | :02:42. | |
shows naturally sell-out immediately, Kate Bush in | :02:43. | :02:45. | |
Hammersmith, all seats were gone in 15 minutes. So fans who missed out | :02:46. | :02:50. | |
how to turn to second-hand ticket agencies like viagogo, GET ME IN and | :02:51. | :02:56. | |
StubHub. Watchdog reveals that not only our customers buying seats at | :02:57. | :03:00. | |
vastly inflated sums, they are also handing over money for tickets that | :03:01. | :03:02. | |
can be fake or don't even exist. I really fancy catching a show, | :03:03. | :03:12. | |
something musical. No. No. Why not a bit of opera? All | :03:13. | :03:30. | |
I need now is the ticket. But getting hold of one of those deep | :03:31. | :03:33. | |
these days can be quite a performance. The simplest way is to | :03:34. | :03:39. | |
buy one on what is known as the primary market. It is a classy | :03:40. | :03:44. | |
production with a small cast. The box office either sells to you | :03:45. | :03:48. | |
directly or allocate its tickets to professional sellers like | :03:49. | :03:51. | |
Ticketmaster or see tickets, who add a booking fee and then sell them on. | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
But if the show is sold out you can turn to the secondary market. That | :03:57. | :04:01. | |
has a much bigger cast. People who have bought tickets from the box | :04:02. | :04:04. | |
office and primary market sellers then put them back on sale on ticket | :04:05. | :04:08. | |
exchange websites, where they can then be sold to you or me. The main | :04:09. | :04:14. | |
players are viagogo, StubHub, Seatwave and GET ME IN. They, of | :04:15. | :04:20. | |
course, take a cut. But this means that you might end up paying a lot | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
more than you bargained for. Take blues fan Jim Maclean. He wanted by | :04:25. | :04:30. | |
Tea Party tickets for an American singer. He used get me into buying a | :04:31. | :04:38. | |
pair for ?234. I was standing on the steps waiting to go to the concert, | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
I looked at the tickets and realised that the face value of the tickets | :04:43. | :04:45. | |
was about nearly half the price of what I paid for them. That is a hell | :04:46. | :04:51. | |
of a difference. So what are the rules protecting the buyers from | :04:52. | :04:54. | |
paying over the odds? The simple fact is there aren't any. The | :04:55. | :05:00. | |
secondary ticketing websites do not think to limit the amount to beat | :05:01. | :05:04. | |
goes on sale for, so prices can be breathtaking. Like this ?90 ticket | :05:05. | :05:10. | |
for the last night of the Proms. It is available on StubHub for ?1950. | :05:11. | :05:17. | |
All this, ?232 Wimbledon final ticket on Seatwave. It's on sale for | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
almost 12 brand, including a sizeable booking fee. If you are | :05:23. | :05:25. | |
beginning to think this sounds just like touting then you'd be right, | :05:26. | :05:33. | |
but touting is only illegal for football matches. For anything else | :05:34. | :05:35. | |
you can't be prosecuted for selling or buying a ticket at an inflated | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
price. You could argue that the people that resell tickets, whether | :05:40. | :05:41. | |
they are ticket touts or genuine fans, are merely entrepreneurs. Is | :05:42. | :05:47. | |
there really a difference between selling a ticket and a second-hand | :05:48. | :05:52. | |
car? Actually, there is because some of the tickets out there are sold at | :05:53. | :05:55. | |
a low price for a very deliberate reason. The National Theatre sells | :05:56. | :06:02. | |
some of their tickets at a reduced price to ensure their shows are | :06:03. | :06:05. | |
accessible to everyone. They are able to do this through government | :06:06. | :06:10. | |
funding, with money from you and me. But in many cases it is ticket touts | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
who actually benefit, buying up subsidised tickets and then flogging | :06:16. | :06:18. | |
them on the secondary market for a huge profit. It's incredibly | :06:19. | :06:24. | |
frustrating, that it's those tickets which are often the ones being sold | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
at multiples of their face value. Crucially pricing out the people | :06:29. | :06:31. | |
that we really want to be able to come and take advantage of those | :06:32. | :06:36. | |
tickets. Consumer law does insist that customers are at least told | :06:37. | :06:41. | |
their ticket's original face value, but we found evidence that viagogo | :06:42. | :06:45. | |
sometimes don't do that. Like with these VIP tickets for Wimbledon, | :06:46. | :06:48. | |
which means they could be breaking the law. But some people will always | :06:49. | :06:54. | |
be willing to pay over the odds if it means they are able to go to an | :06:55. | :06:59. | |
otherwise sold-out event. But even that isn't guaranteed if you use the | :07:00. | :07:05. | |
secondary market. Bernadette paid ?387.55 on viagogo, more than ?200 | :07:06. | :07:11. | |
more than the asking price for her son and three friends to see their | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
favourite band, the Arctic Monkeys. When they hadn't arrived with a week | :07:17. | :07:20. | |
to go she got on the phone. They casually said the reason they hadn't | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
contacted me was because they didn't have any tickets for me. I was | :07:25. | :07:28. | |
going, excuse me, I don't think you can say that. You took my money in | :07:29. | :07:34. | |
July, where are the tickets? The tickets never arrived and Bernadette | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
and Sean had to get a refund. Not so much viagogo, more no-no. So why | :07:39. | :07:44. | |
didn't the tickets arrive? Perhaps the seller never had hold of them in | :07:45. | :07:48. | |
the first place. You see, some people advertise tickets they never | :07:49. | :07:51. | |
have, hoping to find a buyer and then managing to get hold of some at | :07:52. | :07:58. | |
a later date. But often they don't. It's called speculative ticketing. | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
And it is a practice the secondary market routinely allows to happen. | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
There are no checks in place to make sure the sellers on their site | :08:07. | :08:10. | |
actually have the tickets they are offering. Or if they did that are | :08:11. | :08:16. | |
genuine. Roy Lucas bought a pair of tickets from viagogo for some | :08:17. | :08:18. | |
friends to accompany him and his wife to see a violinist. The | :08:19. | :08:27. | |
expected good concert seats were musical chairs. As I got there there | :08:28. | :08:32. | |
were two the people in the seat. The tickets were being shuffled around, | :08:33. | :08:37. | |
checking this and that. Then another two people arrived. It turned out | :08:38. | :08:41. | |
three different couples had been sold tickets for the same set of | :08:42. | :08:46. | |
seats. I was spitting blood. In the end they were told they had to buy | :08:47. | :08:49. | |
new tickets because the venue thought it likely they will all | :08:50. | :08:53. | |
counterfeit. Roy got his money back from viagogo but he feels that isn't | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
the point. They shouldn't have been on sale on the site in the first | :08:59. | :09:06. | |
place. Yet secondary market obliged to ensure the tickets you are buying | :09:07. | :09:08. | |
real. And that means fake tickets are a serious problem for all types | :09:09. | :09:13. | |
of events. We've seen a massive escalation in the numbers of | :09:14. | :09:16. | |
counterfeit and invalid tickets sold through so-called safe platforms. | :09:17. | :09:22. | |
From March to December last year we saw 3600 people turn up at the O2 | :09:23. | :09:27. | |
having purchased invalid tickets through these sites. So using | :09:28. | :09:31. | |
secondary ticket selling websites seems risky. I could end up | :09:32. | :09:36. | |
massively overpaying for tickets, buying ones that never arrived or | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
being turned away from events because my tickets are fake. And | :09:41. | :09:46. | |
that means I could end up getting a lot less than I bargained for. Well, | :09:47. | :09:58. | |
all of the companies featured in our film say they provide a safe | :09:59. | :10:01. | |
marketplace and guaranteed refunds or replacements in cases of fraud or | :10:02. | :10:06. | |
tickets not arriving. Seatwave and StubHub say they don't support a cap | :10:07. | :10:08. | |
on ticket prices and that many tickets on their side self or below | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
face value. They point out that most sellers only receive payment after | :10:14. | :10:17. | |
the event and, as a result, claim that fraud is where. StubHub says | :10:18. | :10:24. | |
tickets on sale for vastly inflated prices are already bought. Although | :10:25. | :10:26. | |
speculative ticketing is outlawed on their site, it's impossible for them | :10:27. | :10:31. | |
to check every sale. Joining me now from viagogo, about which we | :10:32. | :10:39. | |
received the most complaints, is the operation manager Ed Parkinson. Your | :10:40. | :10:46. | |
company operates in 100 countries. That's right. All over the world. | :10:47. | :10:52. | |
Have you got a family? I have two children. What is their favourite | :10:53. | :10:58. | |
event to go to? Theatre shows at Christmas. Supposing your family got | :10:59. | :11:02. | |
to the theatre and there were ten people for former proceeds. They'd | :11:03. | :11:07. | |
be very disappointed, but that's exactly why we founded viagogo. We | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
provide access to tickets with a guarantee of customer service. But | :11:12. | :11:14. | |
in a company that is global, dealing with millions of customers every | :11:15. | :11:17. | |
week, there will be occasions when things don't go as planned. But I | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
think it's a measure of companies to see what you do about it and deal | :11:22. | :11:26. | |
with it. What checks do you put in place? Millar we do a lot to check | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
sellers and buyers in our marketplace. Anyone has to register | :11:31. | :11:34. | |
their credit card. We can charge them at things go wrong and we don't | :11:35. | :11:37. | |
take them until the buyer has successfully been to the event. You | :11:38. | :11:42. | |
can't make money selling fake and fraudulent tickets on viagogo. We | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
went about putting a ticket for eight fake concert on your site are | :11:48. | :11:55. | |
absolutely no checks. What we do... You would have had to put your | :11:56. | :11:59. | |
credit card information in there. We would track that ticket. If you | :12:00. | :12:02. | |
didn't deliver it we would step in, find a replacement ticket for that | :12:03. | :12:06. | |
buyer and get another ticket for them. That didn't happen with the | :12:07. | :12:10. | |
Arctic Monkeys. You still haven't told the people that there were no | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
tickets for them. We are very sorry about those particular cases, it is | :12:16. | :12:18. | |
never acceptable to let someone down. But we looked for tickets but | :12:19. | :12:29. | |
minute couldn't find them. We always give people a full refund. We go | :12:30. | :12:32. | |
above and beyond that. Why do you keep the money for so long? The | :12:33. | :12:35. | |
Rugby World Cup in September, if I book now you'd hang onto the money | :12:36. | :12:37. | |
until the last minute. We don't pay sellers for tickets... Why don't you | :12:38. | :12:43. | |
hang onto the tickets? We send tickets out as soon as they enter | :12:44. | :12:46. | |
the market. The Rugby World Cup tickets will come out next year. But | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
if we had the tickets earlier we would find out whether they were | :12:51. | :12:55. | |
real or not. We are on the side of the consumer, we put fraud checks in | :12:56. | :12:58. | |
place and guarantee customers get what they paid for. We make sure if | :12:59. | :13:01. | |
something goes wrong that we step in. In the worst case, we will give | :13:02. | :13:05. | |
a full refund and additional compensation. Would you like someone | :13:06. | :13:11. | |
to clean up your industry to stop this happening? We have done a huge | :13:12. | :13:14. | |
amount to clean up the industry. Customers are getting much better | :13:15. | :13:17. | |
service from us than the good old days of standing out in the rain | :13:18. | :13:24. | |
waiting for a guy in a rain jacket. So you still don't know if the | :13:25. | :13:29. | |
tickets are fake? Fake tickets are extremely unusual on our platform. | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
We invest millions getting rid of these fraudsters and we will stamp | :13:34. | :13:38. | |
them out. Half term is almost upon us and that means holiday prices, as | :13:39. | :13:43. | |
usual, are set to rocket. Simon Calder is here with some very clever | :13:44. | :13:46. | |
suggestions about how to get away for less. If you've got any | :13:47. | :13:50. | |
questions for Simon, send them to us now and we will answer as many as | :13:51. | :13:55. | |
possible. E-mail us at [email protected] or you can use | :13:56. | :13:56. | |
Twitter using #askwatchdog. Coming up, FIFA 14, a fantasy | :13:57. | :14:11. | |
football game, but this nine-year-old old run up a huge | :14:12. | :14:19. | |
bill. Lots has changed since the 1970s. The emergence of e-mail means | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
that instead of the troublesome first post before breakfast and then | :14:24. | :14:27. | |
the mid-morning second post, we can now relax with just one daily | :14:28. | :14:31. | |
delivery which arrives in time for lunch. But some things still need a | :14:32. | :14:35. | |
bit of work. There now follows a public information film designed to | :14:36. | :14:36. | |
scare you rigid just before bedtime. What is going on here? You are an | :14:37. | :15:05. | |
old lady, had you not? And this chap is a salesman, by the look of him. | :15:06. | :15:09. | |
Let me guess, he is trying to sell you something which you might want | :15:10. | :15:13. | |
but you would like time to think about. Hold on, this is making him | :15:14. | :15:19. | |
angry, which is not what he was like two hours ago when he first | :15:20. | :15:23. | |
arrived. He seemed so nice then, . Complements. Even should you | :15:24. | :15:30. | |
pictures of his favourite force. He is not so friendly anymore. -- his | :15:31. | :15:35. | |
favourite horse. Would you do anything to make him leave? Even | :15:36. | :15:39. | |
paying him a cheque to get him out of the door? That will not be | :15:40. | :15:43. | |
necessary. Sling your hook. And relax. Unfortunately, we cannot, | :15:44. | :15:49. | |
because despite decades of campaigning and legislation to | :15:50. | :15:55. | |
prevent it, old ladies are still being pressure sold to buy men in | :15:56. | :16:01. | |
cheap seats. Don't go anywhere, we will need you. It gives me no | :16:02. | :16:09. | |
pleasure whatsoever to introduce you to Great British Mobility, which is | :16:10. | :16:15. | |
the trading name for this group, which specialise in adjustable beds | :16:16. | :16:21. | |
and recliner armchairs. They are based near Weston-super-Mare and run | :16:22. | :16:29. | |
by for directors. Their sales men are on the loose across the country. | :16:30. | :16:35. | |
William and Janet were given a free demo. This is their granddaughter. | :16:36. | :16:40. | |
He brought the chair in for them to try out, he did not leave for two | :16:41. | :16:45. | |
hours, he would not leave without a sale. They felt pressured into | :16:46. | :16:52. | |
buying the Che. The salesman wanted them to buy two reclining chairs for | :16:53. | :16:59. | |
?4500. They said they felt pressured into paying the full amount that | :17:00. | :17:03. | |
very day. I was very disappointed he had gone into the house and put the | :17:04. | :17:07. | |
seal through without giving them time to think about what they were | :17:08. | :17:13. | |
actually wanting. When she complained, the company agreed to | :17:14. | :17:18. | |
rip up the cheque but it left Janet very shaken and indeed. She was very | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
upset, she lost a lot of sleep over it. I think it is disgraceful. One | :17:24. | :17:27. | |
can understand why. We called them it. I think it is disgraceful. One | :17:28. | :17:38. | |
out to a house filled with tiny cameras. This is a different | :17:39. | :17:41. | |
representative and he is here to give us a free home demo. That means | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
there are no strings attached, and who am I to doubt? Look at me, open | :17:47. | :17:53. | |
mind, anything can happen. I settle to watch proceedings with this | :17:54. | :17:57. | |
expert. Malcolm sets up his demo chair and | :17:58. | :18:10. | |
measures the actress but it is not long before the questionable claims | :18:11. | :18:14. | |
begin. This looks like an armchair, it is actually designed to keep your | :18:15. | :18:22. | |
health as good as possible. It is getting concerning because he is | :18:23. | :18:24. | |
talking up the health benefits of this chair, this will do something. | :18:25. | :18:32. | |
This is an in-built Massad system, it stimulates the blood, it gets | :18:33. | :18:37. | |
oxygen into it. It is like going from what. Now he is saying this | :18:38. | :18:44. | |
chair will be like going for a walk. That is not true. Malcolm also lies | :18:45. | :18:51. | |
by seeing the foam helps to circulate your blood and that the | :18:52. | :18:55. | |
mass search function can and pain. The medical mischief gets worse. | :18:56. | :19:00. | |
Eleanor tells him she has a bad back. The doctor said I should sit | :19:01. | :19:05. | |
with my back upright. I am not contradicting your doctor, but this | :19:06. | :19:10. | |
chair is supporting you, the doctor is saying you need to be supported. | :19:11. | :19:15. | |
He is not contradicting the doctor but he is redefining what the doctor | :19:16. | :19:19. | |
is telling her, I do not know on what basis he can give that advice. | :19:20. | :19:24. | |
When I have aches and pains I go to the doctor and NIC can second | :19:25. | :19:27. | |
opinion from a cheer salesman. That is the magical health powers. -- | :19:28. | :19:38. | |
then I seek. That cheer would cost you ?3000. Hold on, this much for a | :19:39. | :19:49. | |
chair? It would mean a steering wheel and fought fires if it was | :19:50. | :19:55. | |
that race. Can I sleep on it? Give me time to think about it. It is | :19:56. | :20:01. | |
reasonable but Malcolm is having none of it. We will try to get to a | :20:02. | :20:09. | |
conclusion today. To be honest, my mind is confused with all the | :20:10. | :20:14. | |
options. Malcolm tries desperation tactics, offering to pay the ?700 | :20:15. | :20:20. | |
cost of the mass search function himself. But Eleanor still insists | :20:21. | :20:28. | |
she needs time to think and tells him so on 16 occasions. Malcolm | :20:29. | :20:33. | |
responds by giving her the silent treatment. We will time it. | :20:34. | :20:41. | |
We cannot make you watch all of it, but trust me, it is awkward. | :20:42. | :20:57. | |
Is the speed of delivery... He has finally said something! His final | :20:58. | :21:04. | |
role of the dice is the good old-fashioned guilt trip. Every time | :21:05. | :21:10. | |
I jumped in that vehicle, it is a cost. To come back is a cost. This | :21:11. | :21:17. | |
does not feel like there is no obligation, it feels like, I have | :21:18. | :21:20. | |
spent money to see you and we should do this deal. Sensing he is beaten, | :21:21. | :21:26. | |
Malcolm finally packs his bags and leaves. So far, Great British | :21:27. | :21:33. | |
Mobility have lied to us, made medical Muppets of us and given us | :21:34. | :21:39. | |
the silent treatment, yet we are still curious about the chairs. We | :21:40. | :21:44. | |
asked Malcolm round but this time we will seal the deal. Next, Disneyland | :21:45. | :21:51. | |
Paris, which promises to make dreams come true, but not if you book early | :21:52. | :21:57. | |
to stay at one of their seven luxury hotels this summer, because you | :21:58. | :22:00. | |
might have been told it is currently a building site and you will get is | :22:01. | :22:06. | |
a bed and a temporary restaurant. -- might not have been told. Disneyland | :22:07. | :22:13. | |
Paris is the most visited holiday destination in Europe, many go to | :22:14. | :22:16. | |
visit the seven hotels the Disney company run on site, including this | :22:17. | :22:22. | |
one with its 100 and -- 1098 rooms. There is Rand 1920s decorations. -- | :22:23. | :22:32. | |
grand. It seems fabulous on paper but I have come to see a family | :22:33. | :22:38. | |
whose summer holiday is shaping up to be anything but the dream | :22:39. | :22:43. | |
experience promised in the adverts. Meet the family, Rachel, Trevor, | :22:44. | :22:50. | |
Isabella, Daniel and Sam. A year ago, they booked a holiday for this | :22:51. | :22:54. | |
coming June. They will leave in five weeks. We want it to be special. We | :22:55. | :23:03. | |
are betting on Disney. Did you choose this club in particular? | :23:04. | :23:10. | |
Absolutely, for us, it has everything, the outdoor pool and the | :23:11. | :23:17. | |
indoor. It had lovely restaurants, and somewhere I could have a | :23:18. | :23:26. | |
Jacuzzi, sauna, and my husband could go to the gymnasium. That is why the | :23:27. | :23:31. | |
family were happy to spend ?2078 on their holiday. When they booked it | :23:32. | :23:38. | |
they were told the club was undergoing maintenance but were | :23:39. | :23:40. | |
assured that this work would have been completed in advance of their | :23:41. | :23:46. | |
trip in June. The family paid the money, sat back, and thought nothing | :23:47. | :23:53. | |
more of it. A friend of mine at if they could join us, I said we were | :23:54. | :23:59. | |
staying there, they looked it up, and said, there are no facilities | :24:00. | :24:04. | |
available. -- requested to join us. Friend was right, that renovation | :24:05. | :24:12. | |
work had massively overrun and was not expected to be completed until | :24:13. | :24:16. | |
the end of October, but nobody told the family. Disney didn't tell you? | :24:17. | :24:23. | |
They did not contact us, I had no idea what was going on. I was under | :24:24. | :24:27. | |
the illusion I would be turning up at the hotel, everything would be | :24:28. | :24:33. | |
brand-new. Disney said they contacted the travel agent and the | :24:34. | :24:38. | |
news was not passed on, but why could Disney not do it themselves | :24:39. | :24:41. | |
and why did they act so badly when it came to putting the situation | :24:42. | :24:47. | |
right? When the family discovered what had happened they contacted the | :24:48. | :24:51. | |
travel agent and the requested to be moved to a similar room at another | :24:52. | :24:55. | |
Disney hotel, but Disney said they had no availability elsewhere, | :24:56. | :25:00. | |
leaving them with three options, take a refund and disappoint the | :25:01. | :25:03. | |
kids by cancelling the holiday, spend more money upgrading to a more | :25:04. | :25:11. | |
expensive room, or make do with the current one. If they did that, what | :25:12. | :25:16. | |
kind of experience would they get for the money? I headed off to find | :25:17. | :25:18. | |
out. First impressions, the hotel looks | :25:19. | :25:34. | |
impressive, but what about when you get up close? There are two | :25:35. | :25:41. | |
restaurants, both are supposed to be lovely, so we will go and check them | :25:42. | :25:47. | |
out. Restaurant number one is boarded up, closed for | :25:48. | :25:52. | |
refurbishment. Restaurant number two, lines are down, it is also | :25:53. | :25:58. | |
shot. You can still get food on site but only from this makeshift | :25:59. | :26:02. | |
restaurant set up in the convention centre. Not exactly the lakeside | :26:03. | :26:08. | |
view you would expect. One of the hotel's big attractions | :26:09. | :26:23. | |
is the huge indoor -outdoor swimming pool, but as you can see, it is a | :26:24. | :26:30. | |
building site, as is the entertainment centre. They are | :26:31. | :26:32. | |
supposed to have arcade machines here, but as you can see, it is very | :26:33. | :26:36. | |
much work in progress. Remember the Jacuzzi and gymnasium | :26:37. | :26:48. | |
they were looking forward to after a tiring day at the theme park? Also | :26:49. | :26:52. | |
shut. What have we learned? If you come here between now and October | :26:53. | :26:59. | |
you will find no restaurants, no swimming pool, no facilities and a | :27:00. | :27:04. | |
whacking great Bill to switch hotels and get the facilities you have paid | :27:05. | :27:12. | |
for. Our Disney taking the Mickey? Unsurprisingly the family opted not | :27:13. | :27:18. | |
to stay there, and they paid the money to move to a different hotel. | :27:19. | :27:21. | |
That is not to say they completely lost out. Some compensation was | :27:22. | :27:28. | |
offered. ?50 voucher to spend in the park. Fantastic. In the end, to make | :27:29. | :27:34. | |
sure the kids had their dream holiday, we moved to another hotel, | :27:35. | :27:43. | |
but we paid more money. We have fought out -- spent another 17 | :27:44. | :27:51. | |
hundred -- 1700 quid. The travel regulations give you specific | :27:52. | :27:55. | |
rights. When an organiser makes a change the customer should not be | :27:56. | :27:58. | |
expected to pay more because they have paid for the holiday and a | :27:59. | :28:01. | |
change the customer should not be expected to pay more because they | :28:02. | :28:04. | |
have paid for the holiday they won did. If the organiser makes a change | :28:05. | :28:06. | |
changes forehead -- pays for it. Oh do you feel you have been treated? | :28:07. | :28:12. | |
Appallingly. It is shocking, the company advertising dreams coming | :28:13. | :28:15. | |
true letting people down like that. That is a report on one family's | :28:16. | :28:28. | |
story. We have heard from many more disappointed Disney customers. They | :28:29. | :28:33. | |
disagree with our legal advice, saying they have fully complied with | :28:34. | :28:39. | |
travel regulations, and if the only other accommodation is more | :28:40. | :28:43. | |
expensive, the guest must pick up the tab. In a nutshell, it takes | :28:44. | :28:48. | |
away the swimming pools, the sauna, the gymnasium, the games room, and | :28:49. | :28:52. | |
wants you to pay more to get them back. Disney claims it offered | :28:53. | :28:57. | |
everybody the chance to cancel and all travel agents were made aware | :28:58. | :29:03. | |
the building work was overrunning. That message clearly did not get | :29:04. | :29:08. | |
through. Disney said it regrets any disappointment and is trying to | :29:09. | :29:08. | |
limit disruption. Some hope. It will be at home in England and | :29:09. | :29:19. | |
Wales and most of the prices will shoot up. Is it possible to cheat | :29:20. | :29:23. | |
the system? Simon Calder is here for a masterclass. | :29:24. | :29:30. | |
Simon, travel teacher, welcome. We know what happens, at term comes | :29:31. | :29:40. | |
along, prices go through the roof. Are these companies profiteering? | :29:41. | :29:45. | |
They are not, because for most of the year they trade at a loss, but | :29:46. | :29:49. | |
come the school holidays there will be a surge in demand, they can put | :29:50. | :29:55. | |
the prices up and turn a profit. So it is economics? It certainly is. | :29:56. | :30:05. | |
You have some tips for us. School Vase out. On Friday night I'll be | :30:06. | :30:10. | |
waiting at the school gates, bags all packed, ready to go straight to | :30:11. | :30:14. | |
the airport. That's because I know you are going to pay far less on a | :30:15. | :30:17. | |
Friday night than on the Saturday, when everybody wants to travel. How | :30:18. | :30:24. | |
much? On the 18th of July, flying from Gatwick to Malaga. That's the | :30:25. | :30:28. | |
day that English schools break up. You will save at least ?36 compared | :30:29. | :30:32. | |
with the lowest budget airline flight the following day. Hint | :30:33. | :30:40. | |
number two. This one I call cross-country. It simply takes | :30:41. | :30:43. | |
advantage of the fact that the holiday dates are different in | :30:44. | :30:47. | |
different parts of the UK, in particular between Scotland and | :30:48. | :30:50. | |
England. Scottish family, early July, schools that have broken up | :30:51. | :30:54. | |
but they happened in England. If you are prepared to travel south to | :30:55. | :30:57. | |
Newcastle or Manchester, you could save a fortune. At the end of August | :30:58. | :31:06. | |
the opposite applies. How much is a fortune? A trip to the Algarve, the | :31:07. | :31:10. | |
Scottish family that goes to Manchester airport could save up to | :31:11. | :31:14. | |
?400. Going north at the end of August, a family from Manchester | :31:15. | :31:20. | |
going to Glasgow up to ?700. That more than makes up a train fares and | :31:21. | :31:28. | |
petrol. Hint three. Business studies. What I mean by this is if | :31:29. | :31:33. | |
the fares to your holiday destination save Venice or the Costa | :31:34. | :31:36. | |
del Sol look too high, have a look at a nearby city that is normally | :31:37. | :31:40. | |
used by business travellers, something like Milan for Venice or | :31:41. | :31:44. | |
Madrid for Malaga. That's a long distance between Malaga and Madrid, | :31:45. | :31:49. | |
how do I get there? Let's look at the savings, ?304 to Malaga, ?197 to | :31:50. | :31:56. | |
Madrid. But you will only pay ?50 or so for a high-speed train if you | :31:57. | :32:01. | |
book good and early. Glide through the Spanish countryside and save a | :32:02. | :32:06. | |
fortune along the way. Simon will be staying with us through the show to | :32:07. | :32:10. | |
answer your travel problems. Details of how to send your questions are on | :32:11. | :32:15. | |
screen now. Still to come... Beattie Openreach ordered to fix your phone | :32:16. | :32:25. | |
within two days. Really? We are back with Great British Mobility of | :32:26. | :32:27. | |
Weston-super-Mare. Not to be confused with other companies who | :32:28. | :32:30. | |
leave long and awkward silences during their sales pitch. | :32:31. | :32:42. | |
We've invited salesman Malcolm back for a second visit, only this time | :32:43. | :32:49. | |
we've got our wallet at the ready. Yes, we've decided to buy one of the | :32:50. | :32:55. | |
chairs. Malcolm is back to seal the deal. We've opted for a model called | :32:56. | :32:59. | |
the Cheltenham. But instead of paying more than three grand to get | :33:00. | :33:03. | |
it made-to-measure, we buy one that Malcolm says has already been made | :33:04. | :33:07. | |
up in the factory. And we buy it for the knock-down price of, wait for | :33:08. | :33:15. | |
it, ?2200. Look at it all. Thanks for your business. No, Malcolm, | :33:16. | :33:20. | |
thank you! Five days later and the most expensive chair that I or | :33:21. | :33:23. | |
anyone else I know has ever bought arrives in all its glory. But is | :33:24. | :33:31. | |
this a technological wonder seat? To find out, Simon Biddulph, from the | :33:32. | :33:36. | |
British standards committee for rising and recline chairs. I think | :33:37. | :33:38. | |
you sounds like the man for the job! Well, I've had a quick look at the | :33:39. | :34:00. | |
chair and it looks pretty much representative of what's available | :34:01. | :34:03. | |
on the market at the moment. You can buy them from high street furniture | :34:04. | :34:07. | |
stores or mobility outlets. It is pretty much one of the mill. They | :34:08. | :34:12. | |
claim it is being made in the UK. What is the truth? The frame | :34:13. | :34:16. | |
definitely is. The actuation system, as far as I'm aware, is made | :34:17. | :34:21. | |
in China. How much would you expect to spend on a chair like this? 500, | :34:22. | :34:31. | |
600, 700 or ?800. We paid ?2200 for it. Really? It's a lot of money for | :34:32. | :34:37. | |
this type of chair. It doesn't make any sense at all. No, I believe it's | :34:38. | :34:44. | |
grossly overinflated. All we've seen so far is the handiwork of just one | :34:45. | :34:47. | |
salesman. The one we really want to see in action is the guy who sold to | :34:48. | :34:54. | |
Jody's grandparents. What was his name? It was Nick. Wouldn't it be | :34:55. | :35:00. | |
great if we could call Nick out for a free, no obligation home | :35:01. | :35:04. | |
demonstration with one of our stooges and find out exactly how he | :35:05. | :35:10. | |
works? Nick from Great British Mobility. I love it when that | :35:11. | :35:14. | |
happens! Yes, it's a new house and Nick Edmonds, who dealt with | :35:15. | :35:18. | |
Jodie's grandparents, is knocking on the door. Katie, she's back and | :35:19. | :35:24. | |
raring to stooge. There is, however, a slight hiccup. You see, its band | :35:25. | :35:28. | |
practice tonight, but luckily the boys have agreed I can keep an eye | :35:29. | :35:32. | |
on the seedings and comment musically wherever appropriate. | :35:33. | :35:37. | |
Please call me Nick. Mick kicks off by talking us to the different | :35:38. | :35:40. | |
chairs Great British Mobility have on offer. The parts and components | :35:41. | :35:47. | |
are British, they are not Chinese or Malaysian. What was it that Simon | :35:48. | :35:53. | |
Biddulph said? The actuation system was made in China. That's not true. | :35:54. | :36:01. | |
Therefore, Nick is potentially... # Breaking the law! | :36:02. | :36:09. | |
The commercial practice is misleading if it contains false | :36:10. | :36:12. | |
information and it causes or is likely to cause the average consumer | :36:13. | :36:16. | |
to take a transactional decision he would not have taken otherwise. We | :36:17. | :36:22. | |
are an hour into the demonstration and Nick still hasn't mentioned the | :36:23. | :36:27. | |
cost. How much do these chairs come out at? She's just asked for the | :36:28. | :36:34. | |
price. We should know any moment now. Any minute now... No, no. You | :36:35. | :36:40. | |
see, Nick doesn't tell us for almost another half an hour. 2780. That's a | :36:41. | :36:51. | |
lot of money. And when Katie says she's unsure she wants to spend | :36:52. | :36:55. | |
almost three grand on a chair, Nick deploys the favourite tactic of the | :36:56. | :36:59. | |
pressure seller. The old, call-back to the office on the off chance we | :37:00. | :37:04. | |
can do you a special deal routine. Sure enough, he's now miraculously | :37:05. | :37:09. | |
able to drop the price to ?2200, or offer an off-the-shelf version of | :37:10. | :37:13. | |
the same chair for ?2000. We've got you fantastic price. We know that's | :37:14. | :37:18. | |
not a fantastic price. Therefore he is... | :37:19. | :37:26. | |
# Breaking the law! Let me refer you to schedule one | :37:27. | :37:30. | |
paragraph 18, passing on materially inaccurate information on market | :37:31. | :37:33. | |
conditions or on the possibility of finding the product with the | :37:34. | :37:38. | |
intention of inducing the consumer to acquire the project at conditions | :37:39. | :37:42. | |
less favourable than normal market conditions. Now Catherine needs to | :37:43. | :37:47. | |
tell Nick that she wants time to think it over. Remember Malcolm? | :37:48. | :37:51. | |
Eleanor was sure she wanted to buy today 16 times before we got the | :37:52. | :37:57. | |
message. How about Nick? I'm sorry, I can't make an instant decision | :37:58. | :38:02. | |
today. Well, it's not instant, is it? It's not instant because of the | :38:03. | :38:08. | |
work we've done today. It feels instant to me. Maybe I should think | :38:09. | :38:13. | |
about it a bit more. I don't want to make the wrong decision. I don't | :38:14. | :38:18. | |
want to rush into anything. It's a new PB. Katie has said she is unsure | :38:19. | :38:23. | |
needs time to think 31 times before Nick finally gives up. I don't know | :38:24. | :38:29. | |
what you are going to think about. Wait, wait. High-pressure sales in | :38:30. | :38:34. | |
and of themselves are not against the law. However, Nick was invited | :38:35. | :38:39. | |
into her home on the basis of a free, no obligation home | :38:40. | :38:46. | |
demonstration. Therefore his overall presentation was deceptive and | :38:47. | :38:48. | |
breaching regulation five of the consumer protection for unfair | :38:49. | :38:53. | |
trading regulations 2008. And that means he is... | :38:54. | :38:57. | |
# Breaking the law! And after almost two and a half | :38:58. | :39:08. | |
hours, Nick finally gives up and leaves. So, two salesman, two | :39:09. | :39:19. | |
badgering, high-pressure sales pitches. Clearly, they are a company | :39:20. | :39:24. | |
we need to talk to. Possibly with a bit of accompaniment. See you next | :39:25. | :39:25. | |
week, guys. That's a bit harsh. Anyway, we are | :39:26. | :39:37. | |
rocking and rolling our way to a bust up with Great British Mobility, | :39:38. | :39:41. | |
to let them know that pressure selling to old folk needs to become | :39:42. | :39:45. | |
a thing of the past. We will be turning it up to 11 in about ten. | :39:46. | :39:52. | |
Next, FIFA 14, the biggest selling football game on the market. If you | :39:53. | :39:56. | |
have a child with a PlayStation or Xbox, you almost certainly have a | :39:57. | :40:00. | |
copy. Then again, it's not just children who play it. Sorry, I'm | :40:01. | :40:07. | |
about to win the Champions League with Accrington Stanley. Accrington | :40:08. | :40:13. | |
Stanley, who are they? IN A LIVERPUDLIAN ACCENT: Exactly! I'm | :40:14. | :40:22. | |
taking Accrington Stanley back to the big time. It lets you turn the | :40:23. | :40:26. | |
lowliest clubs into world beaters. They come in special "player packs" | :40:27. | :40:31. | |
, which you can earn if you are good that the game or you can buy them. | :40:32. | :40:34. | |
But you can't pick them, you only find out what your players are after | :40:35. | :40:40. | |
you open the packs. The player packs start at 79p, so how come some | :40:41. | :40:43. | |
customers are finding themselves with bills of nearly ?1500. Player | :40:44. | :40:48. | |
packs are the key to building the ultimate fantasy team in FIFA 14. | :40:49. | :40:52. | |
And to gamers, netting the best players in the world is a very big | :40:53. | :41:01. | |
deal indeed. Messi! No, why has this happened? It is often parents who | :41:02. | :41:09. | |
are actually paying for these packs. My son loves playing FIFA, so I must | :41:10. | :41:14. | |
dash back I was persuaded to buy his first play packs using my debit | :41:15. | :41:19. | |
card. But what I didn't realise is that PlayStation and Xbox keep hold | :41:20. | :41:23. | |
of your card details. So all my son had to do was hit confident purchase | :41:24. | :41:27. | |
while he was playing and, hey presto, my card was charged again | :41:28. | :41:31. | |
completely without my knowledge. And, by the way, before I got wind | :41:32. | :41:37. | |
of the fact that he'd run up a ?79 bill. And I'm just one of dozens of | :41:38. | :41:41. | |
parents we've heard from you been caught out in this way. And it's not | :41:42. | :41:47. | |
surprising. Making repeated purchases is remarkably easy. There | :41:48. | :41:51. | |
is remarkably easy. There's no password codes, no messages to | :41:52. | :41:54. | |
double check you want to make the purchase. You just select the item | :41:55. | :41:59. | |
you want and press confirm. The process is so simple that for many | :42:00. | :42:03. | |
kids playing the game it is not obvious you are making an actual | :42:04. | :42:07. | |
financial transaction. Just ask Henry and his mum, Fran. Henry, why | :42:08. | :42:12. | |
do you love playing FIFA so much? I get to play with my friends on it. | :42:13. | :42:19. | |
It's really fun because my friends got really good players in packs and | :42:20. | :42:23. | |
I wanted to get those players as well. Did it ever occur to you to | :42:24. | :42:28. | |
think that you were spending real money? No, I didn't. How shocked | :42:29. | :42:35. | |
were you when you found out? Vary. Fran, you were never at any point, | :42:36. | :42:40. | |
while Henry was buying these packs, prompted to re-enter your card | :42:41. | :42:45. | |
details or anything? Nothing at all. It's made so easy for children, just | :42:46. | :42:50. | |
at the click of a button they have access to your bank account. My son | :42:51. | :42:54. | |
racked up ?79, but that was just in an afternoon. Over six weeks, what | :42:55. | :43:02. | |
did Henry cost you? ?1500. Did you have any idea this was happening? | :43:03. | :43:08. | |
Non-whatsoever, we'd never bought him a single pack. When I entered my | :43:09. | :43:13. | |
debit card details, I knew it was the paper player packs. But for Fran | :43:14. | :43:17. | |
and other parents to Britain to us, that wasn't the case. Because they'd | :43:18. | :43:21. | |
used their credit cards to sign up for something else entirely, either | :43:22. | :43:27. | |
Xbox live or PlayStation plus. These are the consoles online subscription | :43:28. | :43:30. | |
services that let you play against other gamers via the internet. It's | :43:31. | :43:37. | |
outrageous that they could... We agreed to sign up for one thing and | :43:38. | :43:40. | |
they continued to use our card or other payments without our | :43:41. | :43:44. | |
knowledge. And it is an easy thing to get caught out by because you | :43:45. | :43:47. | |
might have signed up to those services a long time before. David | :43:48. | :43:52. | |
Porter, from the Shetlands, has been an Xbox owners since 2009. He bought | :43:53. | :43:58. | |
his son FIFA 14 last September. Two months later he got his credit card | :43:59. | :44:02. | |
bill. I opened it and there were four pages. It was all Xbox, Xbox. | :44:03. | :44:12. | |
The total came to be ?1260. Once again, Microsoft were taking the | :44:13. | :44:15. | |
payments for the player packs from the credit card he'd used to sign up | :44:16. | :44:20. | |
to Xbox Live. But here's the thing, he'd done that over four years ago. | :44:21. | :44:27. | |
To me, it was a subscription that would keep on being renewed on a | :44:28. | :44:30. | |
year-to-year basis. I didn't think for a minute you would be able to | :44:31. | :44:34. | |
purchase, certainly not spend this amount of money. This is | :44:35. | :44:38. | |
consistently happening on both the PlayStation and the Xbox. And the | :44:39. | :44:42. | |
fact they retain the right to do this isn't exactly spelled-out. | :44:43. | :44:46. | |
These are the terms and conditions for Microsoft and Sony's online | :44:47. | :44:52. | |
services. Both over 6000 words long, both with complicated | :44:53. | :44:56. | |
statements buried deep within, stating that they retain the right | :44:57. | :45:01. | |
to charge but other services besides the ones you've already signed up | :45:02. | :45:07. | |
for. They are not exactly spelling it out. There is a way to let both | :45:08. | :45:11. | |
Microsoft and Sony know that the person playing isn't an adult and | :45:12. | :45:15. | |
therefore shouldn't be treated as such. There are parental controls | :45:16. | :45:19. | |
that you can use to set up restricted accounts for children or | :45:20. | :45:24. | |
teenagers. But, as Peter and his son, James, found out, even after | :45:25. | :45:28. | |
taking those precautions you can still fall foul of FIFA 14. I was | :45:29. | :45:34. | |
meticulous about setting up 18 account on the Xbox, on the | :45:35. | :45:40. | |
expectation that the key system default would be purchase | :45:41. | :45:43. | |
protection, not accessing inappropriate content and the like. | :45:44. | :45:50. | |
We paid for the Microsoft Xbox Live account and played. But it made no | :45:51. | :45:53. | |
difference because Peter, too, received a shock bill. There was | :45:54. | :46:00. | |
over ?1200 of Xbox transactions within a 14 or 15 day period. When | :46:01. | :46:05. | |
Peter went back to check the parental controls he discovered that | :46:06. | :46:08. | |
even if you set up a team account, the default setting is still to | :46:09. | :46:13. | |
allow a parent's credit card to be charged for endgame purchases. You | :46:14. | :46:17. | |
have to deselect that option to prevent your child spending your | :46:18. | :46:22. | |
money. This is a 21st-century gaming system but the parental controls, | :46:23. | :46:26. | |
the access, the logic, it's just not good enough. EA sports said they are | :46:27. | :46:35. | |
looking to improve clarity over purchases in all their games. Xbox | :46:36. | :46:40. | |
says it is clear that real money is being spent when you buy the packs. | :46:41. | :46:45. | |
They note that one of the people in the film received a partial refund | :46:46. | :46:49. | |
and apologises and says they will improve how they handle complaints. | :46:50. | :46:53. | |
They recommend using other payment types such as gift cards is to stop | :46:54. | :46:57. | |
your card being used for unauthorised payments. They suggest | :46:58. | :47:07. | |
setting up a child account and activating e-mail alerts. Keep your | :47:08. | :47:12. | |
stories coming in. Here are more? -- you are more: BT Openreach has been | :47:13. | :47:19. | |
warned by Ofcom overtaking too long to fix faults and carry out | :47:20. | :47:23. | |
installations. Last year we reported on how this street was left with no | :47:24. | :47:31. | |
access for two months. BT will have two working days to complete 80% of | :47:32. | :47:36. | |
all working repairs reported to them. They will have 12 days to get | :47:37. | :47:42. | |
appointments for new customers. If they fail, they could get fined. | :47:43. | :47:46. | |
They are hiring 1600 new engineers but will this improve things? Let us | :47:47. | :47:53. | |
know, if your Internet is working, that is. If you are going somewhere | :47:54. | :47:57. | |
warm this half term you might to think twice about what sun lotions | :47:58. | :48:07. | |
to pack. Six suntan lotions were selected by a consumer magazine, and | :48:08. | :48:13. | |
these three, the most expensive on the list, all failed. Results | :48:14. | :48:18. | |
indicated they are just factor 25 or below. They stand by the products, | :48:19. | :48:25. | |
claiming in their own test the match the levels of factor 30. Just be | :48:26. | :48:30. | |
careful, try not to get burnt. This week, Ted too-mac was hit with the | :48:31. | :48:42. | |
largest ever penalty -- e.ON was hit with the largest ever penalty for a | :48:43. | :48:47. | |
power supply in the UK. They were given it for mis-selling because | :48:48. | :48:52. | |
information has routinely been given out to customers. On top of the | :48:53. | :48:56. | |
fine, they have been ordered to pay compensation which could cost them | :48:57. | :49:00. | |
?8 million. Here is something you don't hear often. We are devastated, | :49:01. | :49:04. | |
absolutely occasions. He and his company need | :49:05. | :49:34. | |
to know the behaviour is not access the ball. To coin a phrase, we are | :49:35. | :49:40. | |
putting the band back together. Here is the news, Nick is on his way | :49:41. | :49:44. | |
background. We have put a new line-up together. We are called No | :49:45. | :49:58. | |
Obligation Home Demonstration. Our actress has called him round for a | :49:59. | :50:01. | |
second consultation, except this time, my band are waiting to rock | :50:02. | :50:07. | |
out in the conservatory. On time, he approaches the house so it is time | :50:08. | :50:11. | |
to stop rehearsals and get ready for the headline act. Katie and soothes | :50:12. | :50:18. | |
the door while the band and I wait to see what he has got to say. After | :50:19. | :50:25. | |
some chat, whilst he sets up the demonstration chair, Katie asks him | :50:26. | :50:31. | |
one more time about the ?2200 he has quoted her. You think this is a good | :50:32. | :50:38. | |
price? Yes, I do. It is the retail and with some discounts. You get | :50:39. | :50:43. | |
what you pay for. That is another ten breach of consumer | :50:44. | :50:51. | |
demonstration. He is not allowed to suggest it is a good price when we | :50:52. | :50:57. | |
know it is not. Katie asks him to, check if the chair would fit into | :50:58. | :51:02. | |
her conservatory. Clearly, it would not because currently squeezed in | :51:03. | :51:08. | |
there is my band and a camera crew. Perhaps you can have a look and see | :51:09. | :51:19. | |
if you think it would fit. Nick, you are potentially breaking the law. | :51:20. | :51:27. | |
Nick, BBC Rogue Traders. The point that we are making their is what you | :51:28. | :51:33. | |
have been doing breaches several regulations, specifically against | :51:34. | :51:39. | |
trading regulations from 2008. When you enter somebody's home on the | :51:40. | :51:45. | |
basis of a no obligation demonstration and then you actually | :51:46. | :51:48. | |
pursue high-pressure sales technique, as we have seen you | :51:49. | :51:55. | |
doing... On 31 occasions our Lady expressed reservations about what | :51:56. | :51:59. | |
was taking place and you overrode those and tried to get an ants from | :52:00. | :52:04. | |
her today. That was fine. Then I walked away from it. The chair that | :52:05. | :52:10. | |
we were potentially buying is worth six or ?700. That is what the | :52:11. | :52:14. | |
equivalent chair would cost if you are going to buy it on the open | :52:15. | :52:18. | |
market, whereas in fact you were selling it for three times that | :52:19. | :52:21. | |
value. If you were selling it for three times that value. If you're | :52:22. | :52:25. | |
doing that, that is a breach of the regulations of 2008. The other copy? | :52:26. | :52:33. | |
My company probably does. I will give you one here. We have marked up | :52:34. | :52:37. | |
the areas in which you were deficient and misleading in your | :52:38. | :52:43. | |
sales pitch. I don't need to be. Can you see that when you are pushing | :52:44. | :52:46. | |
for a sale on the day like that it leads to people making the wrong | :52:47. | :52:50. | |
decisions, decisions that they would not have made otherwise? This is why | :52:51. | :52:58. | |
I really do it. You did it on this occasion. She needs a chair, she | :52:59. | :53:06. | |
also needs... You are loving this. You can understand why we have done | :53:07. | :53:09. | |
what we have done. I will tell you the circumstances under which we | :53:10. | :53:12. | |
would not be having this discussion, is when she said she had some time | :53:13. | :53:16. | |
to think about it, you said, fine, key is my card, take as much time as | :53:17. | :53:22. | |
you want. That would have been no obligation, three home | :53:23. | :53:27. | |
demonstration. So it is the one thing. We have for breaches of the | :53:28. | :53:33. | |
consumer protection regulations. We also have the fact that you said it | :53:34. | :53:37. | |
was a great deal. What I first initially says is you can get | :53:38. | :53:44. | |
cheaper chairs. An equivalent would be available for ?700. I don't know | :53:45. | :53:50. | |
that. Well you should if you're telling people that is a great deal. | :53:51. | :53:54. | |
You need to know that. If you're telling people it is a great deal | :53:55. | :53:59. | |
you need to know it is a great deal and not three times the cost of an | :54:00. | :54:02. | |
equivalent chair somewhere else. The conversation goes on for a few | :54:03. | :54:06. | |
minutes whilst Nick packs the demonstration chair away. You're | :54:07. | :54:12. | |
going in on the basis of no obligation. I am allowed to ask if | :54:13. | :54:18. | |
they want to buy. Of course you are. And then when they say | :54:19. | :54:26. | |
they want to buy. Of course you are. understand people need to sell | :54:27. | :54:30. | |
things, but the way they sell them, that is what the regulations are | :54:31. | :54:34. | |
there to prescribe and make sure it is done properly, they are | :54:35. | :54:39. | |
absolutely crucial. I will pass it onto my, we will take it on board. I | :54:40. | :54:47. | |
will not say it has been a pleasure. Nice to meet you. There he goes, | :54:48. | :54:56. | |
Nick from Great British Mobility. I think he took some of that on board. | :54:57. | :55:02. | |
There he is, rocking and rolling his way out of Telford. In a statement | :55:03. | :55:12. | |
to us, the mobility rental group apologised for any mistakes made and | :55:13. | :55:18. | |
hope to learn from them. They told us trading ethically and legally our | :55:19. | :55:22. | |
core principles of their business. They have checks in place to ensure | :55:23. | :55:26. | |
everybody at the company treats customers with care and respect. | :55:27. | :55:31. | |
With respect, that does not appear to be working. As for Nick and | :55:32. | :55:35. | |
Malcolm, they have been suspended and they become the next faces on | :55:36. | :55:41. | |
the rogues gallery. We have questions for Simon Calder. | :55:42. | :55:50. | |
And the, are the comparison sites for holidays accurate? I would look | :55:51. | :55:53. | |
at them to get some idea of what prices are like, but I would not put | :55:54. | :56:01. | |
through them because of mischief on the Internet. I would go direct to | :56:02. | :56:05. | |
the company, see what prices they are quoting, or indeed, go through a | :56:06. | :56:11. | |
travel agent, the original price comparison service. This e-mail, | :56:12. | :56:16. | |
does it make a difference if you leave for your holiday midweek | :56:17. | :56:21. | |
rather than the weekend? It certainly does. If you look at | :56:22. | :56:24. | |
Wednesday Wednesday holiday, that will use up six days of working | :56:25. | :56:32. | |
time, if you go Saturday- Saturday, that is only a five-day week. Demand | :56:33. | :56:40. | |
is lower, prices tend to be lower. Amanda in Lincolnshire says she has | :56:41. | :56:44. | |
no choice but to go during the school holidays, is there a last | :56:45. | :56:46. | |
minute cheap deal? I am always in school holidays, is there a last | :56:47. | :56:52. | |
favour of packing up the car, heading for Dover, finding a lovely | :56:53. | :56:56. | |
campsite down there. You can always find crossings in France. It is a | :56:57. | :57:04. | |
lovely part of France, you can keep the lid on spending. That is the | :57:05. | :57:09. | |
watchdog trip sorted. Keep sending your stories in. There is the other | :57:10. | :57:14. | |
option of writing to us at this address. | :57:15. | :57:19. | |
Coming up next week, Royal Sun Alliance and Churchill, the | :57:20. | :57:22. | |
insurance companies who promised after the floods to get you back | :57:23. | :57:27. | |
into your home very quickly. Did they? Pontoons, the dangers at their | :57:28. | :57:33. | |
Southport holiday camp that left an 11-year-old boy looking like this. | :57:34. | :57:38. | |
And a close encounter with one of the roughest rogues he has come | :57:39. | :57:40. | |
across. That is all on the programme next | :57:41. | :57:52. | |
Wednesday. Good night. | :57:53. | :57:56. |