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Viagogo, Seatwave, StubHub, the agencies all advertising fake

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tickets. Disneyland Paris and the ?2000 holiday to a construction

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site. FIFA 14 and the button clicks that are costing parents hundreds.

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Plus BT Openreach, and the top brands that say they are factor 30

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when they are not. Its watchdog, the programme you cannot afford to miss.

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Good evening and welcome to Watchdog, live for the next 60

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minutes. Tonight, a Wimbledon final ticket nearly ?12,000. But Michael

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Buble, ?2000. Agencies selling tickets that don't exist. As I got

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there there were two other people in the seat. Then another two people

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arrived. I was split -- spitting blood. Are your children playing

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FIFA 14 on PlayStation or Xbox? Beware of the shock bills. BT

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Openreach ordered to fix your phone within 48 hours. Disneyland Paris,

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this luxury hotel is currently a building site. News to some families

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who booked last year. Holidays are a time to relax, put your feet up.

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Maybe you are more of a staycation kind of guy, like me, then you can

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do that at home with one of these, a special Cheltenham armchair, as sold

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by tonight's Rogue Traders, Great British Mobility Ltd of

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Weston-super-Mare. Their salesmen will tell you just about anything to

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get you to part with your cash. This control has an in-built massage

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system. The massage stimulates the blood, get oxygen into it. You can

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sit on one of these chairs, press the button and it's like going for a

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walk. Which, as you can probably guess, is nonsense. How much does

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Great British Mobility want for it? A chair would cost you ?3860. Nellie

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for grand? Tonight, like Bouley and Queen, we're put under pressure to

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buy ridiculously priced furniture that doesn't do what it claims. Grab

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your slippers, hit the recline but, we've got a home visit. The hottest

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shows naturally sell-out immediately, Kate Bush in

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Hammersmith, all seats were gone in 15 minutes. So fans who missed out

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how to turn to second-hand ticket agencies like viagogo, GET ME IN and

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StubHub. Watchdog reveals that not only our customers buying seats at

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vastly inflated sums, they are also handing over money for tickets that

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can be fake or don't even exist. I really fancy catching a show,

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something musical. No. No. Why not a bit of opera? All

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I need now is the ticket. But getting hold of one of those deep

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these days can be quite a performance. The simplest way is to

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buy one on what is known as the primary market. It is a classy

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production with a small cast. The box office either sells to you

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directly or allocate its tickets to professional sellers like

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Ticketmaster or see tickets, who add a booking fee and then sell them on.

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But if the show is sold out you can turn to the secondary market. That

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has a much bigger cast. People who have bought tickets from the box

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office and primary market sellers then put them back on sale on ticket

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exchange websites, where they can then be sold to you or me. The main

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players are viagogo, StubHub, Seatwave and GET ME IN. They, of

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course, take a cut. But this means that you might end up paying a lot

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more than you bargained for. Take blues fan Jim Maclean. He wanted by

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Tea Party tickets for an American singer. He used get me into buying a

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pair for ?234. I was standing on the steps waiting to go to the concert,

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I looked at the tickets and realised that the face value of the tickets

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was about nearly half the price of what I paid for them. That is a hell

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of a difference. So what are the rules protecting the buyers from

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paying over the odds? The simple fact is there aren't any. The

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secondary ticketing websites do not think to limit the amount to beat

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goes on sale for, so prices can be breathtaking. Like this ?90 ticket

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for the last night of the Proms. It is available on StubHub for ?1950.

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All this, ?232 Wimbledon final ticket on Seatwave. It's on sale for

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almost 12 brand, including a sizeable booking fee. If you are

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beginning to think this sounds just like touting then you'd be right,

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but touting is only illegal for football matches. For anything else

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you can't be prosecuted for selling or buying a ticket at an inflated

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price. You could argue that the people that resell tickets, whether

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they are ticket touts or genuine fans, are merely entrepreneurs. Is

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there really a difference between selling a ticket and a second-hand

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car? Actually, there is because some of the tickets out there are sold at

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a low price for a very deliberate reason. The National Theatre sells

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some of their tickets at a reduced price to ensure their shows are

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accessible to everyone. They are able to do this through government

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funding, with money from you and me. But in many cases it is ticket touts

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who actually benefit, buying up subsidised tickets and then flogging

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them on the secondary market for a huge profit. It's incredibly

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frustrating, that it's those tickets which are often the ones being sold

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at multiples of their face value. Crucially pricing out the people

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that we really want to be able to come and take advantage of those

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tickets. Consumer law does insist that customers are at least told

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their ticket's original face value, but we found evidence that viagogo

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sometimes don't do that. Like with these VIP tickets for Wimbledon,

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which means they could be breaking the law. But some people will always

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be willing to pay over the odds if it means they are able to go to an

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otherwise sold-out event. But even that isn't guaranteed if you use the

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secondary market. Bernadette paid ?387.55 on viagogo, more than ?200

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more than the asking price for her son and three friends to see their

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favourite band, the Arctic Monkeys. When they hadn't arrived with a week

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to go she got on the phone. They casually said the reason they hadn't

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contacted me was because they didn't have any tickets for me. I was

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going, excuse me, I don't think you can say that. You took my money in

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July, where are the tickets? The tickets never arrived and Bernadette

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and Sean had to get a refund. Not so much viagogo, more no-no. So why

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didn't the tickets arrive? Perhaps the seller never had hold of them in

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the first place. You see, some people advertise tickets they never

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have, hoping to find a buyer and then managing to get hold of some at

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a later date. But often they don't. It's called speculative ticketing.

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And it is a practice the secondary market routinely allows to happen.

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There are no checks in place to make sure the sellers on their site

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actually have the tickets they are offering. Or if they did that are

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genuine. Roy Lucas bought a pair of tickets from viagogo for some

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friends to accompany him and his wife to see a violinist. The

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expected good concert seats were musical chairs. As I got there there

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were two the people in the seat. The tickets were being shuffled around,

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checking this and that. Then another two people arrived. It turned out

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three different couples had been sold tickets for the same set of

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seats. I was spitting blood. In the end they were told they had to buy

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new tickets because the venue thought it likely they will all

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counterfeit. Roy got his money back from viagogo but he feels that isn't

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the point. They shouldn't have been on sale on the site in the first

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place. Yet secondary market obliged to ensure the tickets you are buying

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real. And that means fake tickets are a serious problem for all types

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of events. We've seen a massive escalation in the numbers of

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counterfeit and invalid tickets sold through so-called safe platforms.

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From March to December last year we saw 3600 people turn up at the O2

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having purchased invalid tickets through these sites. So using

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secondary ticket selling websites seems risky. I could end up

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massively overpaying for tickets, buying ones that never arrived or

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being turned away from events because my tickets are fake. And

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that means I could end up getting a lot less than I bargained for. Well,

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all of the companies featured in our film say they provide a safe

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marketplace and guaranteed refunds or replacements in cases of fraud or

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tickets not arriving. Seatwave and StubHub say they don't support a cap

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on ticket prices and that many tickets on their side self or below

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face value. They point out that most sellers only receive payment after

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the event and, as a result, claim that fraud is where. StubHub says

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tickets on sale for vastly inflated prices are already bought. Although

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speculative ticketing is outlawed on their site, it's impossible for them

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to check every sale. Joining me now from viagogo, about which we

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received the most complaints, is the operation manager Ed Parkinson. Your

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company operates in 100 countries. That's right. All over the world.

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Have you got a family? I have two children. What is their favourite

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event to go to? Theatre shows at Christmas. Supposing your family got

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to the theatre and there were ten people for former proceeds. They'd

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be very disappointed, but that's exactly why we founded viagogo. We

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provide access to tickets with a guarantee of customer service. But

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in a company that is global, dealing with millions of customers every

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week, there will be occasions when things don't go as planned. But I

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think it's a measure of companies to see what you do about it and deal

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with it. What checks do you put in place? Millar we do a lot to check

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sellers and buyers in our marketplace. Anyone has to register

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their credit card. We can charge them at things go wrong and we don't

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take them until the buyer has successfully been to the event. You

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can't make money selling fake and fraudulent tickets on viagogo. We

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went about putting a ticket for eight fake concert on your site are

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absolutely no checks. What we do... You would have had to put your

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credit card information in there. We would track that ticket. If you

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didn't deliver it we would step in, find a replacement ticket for that

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buyer and get another ticket for them. That didn't happen with the

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Arctic Monkeys. You still haven't told the people that there were no

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tickets for them. We are very sorry about those particular cases, it is

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never acceptable to let someone down. But we looked for tickets but

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minute couldn't find them. We always give people a full refund. We go

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above and beyond that. Why do you keep the money for so long? The

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Rugby World Cup in September, if I book now you'd hang onto the money

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until the last minute. We don't pay sellers for tickets... Why don't you

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hang onto the tickets? We send tickets out as soon as they enter

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the market. The Rugby World Cup tickets will come out next year. But

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if we had the tickets earlier we would find out whether they were

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real or not. We are on the side of the consumer, we put fraud checks in

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place and guarantee customers get what they paid for. We make sure if

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something goes wrong that we step in. In the worst case, we will give

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a full refund and additional compensation. Would you like someone

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to clean up your industry to stop this happening? We have done a huge

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amount to clean up the industry. Customers are getting much better

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service from us than the good old days of standing out in the rain

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waiting for a guy in a rain jacket. So you still don't know if the

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tickets are fake? Fake tickets are extremely unusual on our platform.

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We invest millions getting rid of these fraudsters and we will stamp

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them out. Half term is almost upon us and that means holiday prices, as

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usual, are set to rocket. Simon Calder is here with some very clever

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suggestions about how to get away for less. If you've got any

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questions for Simon, send them to us now and we will answer as many as

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possible. E-mail us at [email protected] or you can use

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Twitter using #askwatchdog. Coming up, FIFA 14, a fantasy

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football game, but this nine-year-old old run up a huge

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bill. Lots has changed since the 1970s. The emergence of e-mail means

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that instead of the troublesome first post before breakfast and then

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the mid-morning second post, we can now relax with just one daily

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delivery which arrives in time for lunch. But some things still need a

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bit of work. There now follows a public information film designed to

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scare you rigid just before bedtime. What is going on here? You are an

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old lady, had you not? And this chap is a salesman, by the look of him.

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Let me guess, he is trying to sell you something which you might want

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but you would like time to think about. Hold on, this is making him

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angry, which is not what he was like two hours ago when he first

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arrived. He seemed so nice then, . Complements. Even should you

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pictures of his favourite force. He is not so friendly anymore. -- his

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favourite horse. Would you do anything to make him leave? Even

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paying him a cheque to get him out of the door? That will not be

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necessary. Sling your hook. And relax. Unfortunately, we cannot,

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because despite decades of campaigning and legislation to

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prevent it, old ladies are still being pressure sold to buy men in

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cheap seats. Don't go anywhere, we will need you. It gives me no

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pleasure whatsoever to introduce you to Great British Mobility, which is

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the trading name for this group, which specialise in adjustable beds

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and recliner armchairs. They are based near Weston-super-Mare and run

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by for directors. Their sales men are on the loose across the country.

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William and Janet were given a free demo. This is their granddaughter.

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He brought the chair in for them to try out, he did not leave for two

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hours, he would not leave without a sale. They felt pressured into

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buying the Che. The salesman wanted them to buy two reclining chairs for

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?4500. They said they felt pressured into paying the full amount that

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very day. I was very disappointed he had gone into the house and put the

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seal through without giving them time to think about what they were

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actually wanting. When she complained, the company agreed to

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rip up the cheque but it left Janet very shaken and indeed. She was very

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upset, she lost a lot of sleep over it. I think it is disgraceful. One

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can understand why. We called them it. I think it is disgraceful. One

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out to a house filled with tiny cameras. This is a different

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representative and he is here to give us a free home demo. That means

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there are no strings attached, and who am I to doubt? Look at me, open

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mind, anything can happen. I settle to watch proceedings with this

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expert. Malcolm sets up his demo chair and

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measures the actress but it is not long before the questionable claims

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begin. This looks like an armchair, it is actually designed to keep your

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health as good as possible. It is getting concerning because he is

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talking up the health benefits of this chair, this will do something.

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This is an in-built Massad system, it stimulates the blood, it gets

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oxygen into it. It is like going from what. Now he is saying this

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chair will be like going for a walk. That is not true. Malcolm also lies

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by seeing the foam helps to circulate your blood and that the

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mass search function can and pain. The medical mischief gets worse.

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Eleanor tells him she has a bad back. The doctor said I should sit

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with my back upright. I am not contradicting your doctor, but this

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chair is supporting you, the doctor is saying you need to be supported.

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He is not contradicting the doctor but he is redefining what the doctor

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is telling her, I do not know on what basis he can give that advice.

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When I have aches and pains I go to the doctor and NIC can second

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opinion from a cheer salesman. That is the magical health powers. --

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then I seek. That cheer would cost you ?3000. Hold on, this much for a

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chair? It would mean a steering wheel and fought fires if it was

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that race. Can I sleep on it? Give me time to think about it. It is

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reasonable but Malcolm is having none of it. We will try to get to a

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conclusion today. To be honest, my mind is confused with all the

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options. Malcolm tries desperation tactics, offering to pay the ?700

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cost of the mass search function himself. But Eleanor still insists

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she needs time to think and tells him so on 16 occasions. Malcolm

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responds by giving her the silent treatment. We will time it.

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We cannot make you watch all of it, but trust me, it is awkward.

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Is the speed of delivery... He has finally said something! His final

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role of the dice is the good old-fashioned guilt trip. Every time

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I jumped in that vehicle, it is a cost. To come back is a cost. This

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does not feel like there is no obligation, it feels like, I have

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spent money to see you and we should do this deal. Sensing he is beaten,

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Malcolm finally packs his bags and leaves. So far, Great British

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Mobility have lied to us, made medical Muppets of us and given us

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the silent treatment, yet we are still curious about the chairs. We

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asked Malcolm round but this time we will seal the deal. Next, Disneyland

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Paris, which promises to make dreams come true, but not if you book early

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to stay at one of their seven luxury hotels this summer, because you

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might have been told it is currently a building site and you will get is

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a bed and a temporary restaurant. -- might not have been told. Disneyland

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Paris is the most visited holiday destination in Europe, many go to

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visit the seven hotels the Disney company run on site, including this

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one with its 100 and -- 1098 rooms. There is Rand 1920s decorations. --

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grand. It seems fabulous on paper but I have come to see a family

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whose summer holiday is shaping up to be anything but the dream

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experience promised in the adverts. Meet the family, Rachel, Trevor,

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Isabella, Daniel and Sam. A year ago, they booked a holiday for this

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coming June. They will leave in five weeks. We want it to be special. We

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are betting on Disney. Did you choose this club in particular?

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Absolutely, for us, it has everything, the outdoor pool and the

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indoor. It had lovely restaurants, and somewhere I could have a

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Jacuzzi, sauna, and my husband could go to the gymnasium. That is why the

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family were happy to spend ?2078 on their holiday. When they booked it

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they were told the club was undergoing maintenance but were

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assured that this work would have been completed in advance of their

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trip in June. The family paid the money, sat back, and thought nothing

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more of it. A friend of mine at if they could join us, I said we were

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staying there, they looked it up, and said, there are no facilities

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available. -- requested to join us. Friend was right, that renovation

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work had massively overrun and was not expected to be completed until

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the end of October, but nobody told the family. Disney didn't tell you?

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They did not contact us, I had no idea what was going on. I was under

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the illusion I would be turning up at the hotel, everything would be

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brand-new. Disney said they contacted the travel agent and the

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news was not passed on, but why could Disney not do it themselves

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and why did they act so badly when it came to putting the situation

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right? When the family discovered what had happened they contacted the

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travel agent and the requested to be moved to a similar room at another

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Disney hotel, but Disney said they had no availability elsewhere,

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leaving them with three options, take a refund and disappoint the

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kids by cancelling the holiday, spend more money upgrading to a more

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expensive room, or make do with the current one. If they did that, what

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kind of experience would they get for the money? I headed off to find

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out. First impressions, the hotel looks

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impressive, but what about when you get up close? There are two

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restaurants, both are supposed to be lovely, so we will go and check them

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out. Restaurant number one is boarded up, closed for

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refurbishment. Restaurant number two, lines are down, it is also

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shot. You can still get food on site but only from this makeshift

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restaurant set up in the convention centre. Not exactly the lakeside

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view you would expect. One of the hotel's big attractions

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is the huge indoor -outdoor swimming pool, but as you can see, it is a

:26:24.:26:30.

building site, as is the entertainment centre. They are

:26:31.:26:32.

supposed to have arcade machines here, but as you can see, it is very

:26:33.:26:36.

much work in progress. Remember the Jacuzzi and gymnasium

:26:37.:26:48.

they were looking forward to after a tiring day at the theme park? Also

:26:49.:26:52.

shut. What have we learned? If you come here between now and October

:26:53.:26:59.

you will find no restaurants, no swimming pool, no facilities and a

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whacking great Bill to switch hotels and get the facilities you have paid

:27:05.:27:12.

for. Our Disney taking the Mickey? Unsurprisingly the family opted not

:27:13.:27:18.

to stay there, and they paid the money to move to a different hotel.

:27:19.:27:21.

That is not to say they completely lost out. Some compensation was

:27:22.:27:28.

offered. ?50 voucher to spend in the park. Fantastic. In the end, to make

:27:29.:27:34.

sure the kids had their dream holiday, we moved to another hotel,

:27:35.:27:43.

but we paid more money. We have fought out -- spent another 17

:27:44.:27:51.

hundred -- 1700 quid. The travel regulations give you specific

:27:52.:27:55.

rights. When an organiser makes a change the customer should not be

:27:56.:27:58.

expected to pay more because they have paid for the holiday and a

:27:59.:28:01.

change the customer should not be expected to pay more because they

:28:02.:28:04.

have paid for the holiday they won did. If the organiser makes a change

:28:05.:28:06.

changes forehead -- pays for it. Oh do you feel you have been treated?

:28:07.:28:12.

Appallingly. It is shocking, the company advertising dreams coming

:28:13.:28:15.

true letting people down like that. That is a report on one family's

:28:16.:28:28.

story. We have heard from many more disappointed Disney customers. They

:28:29.:28:33.

disagree with our legal advice, saying they have fully complied with

:28:34.:28:39.

travel regulations, and if the only other accommodation is more

:28:40.:28:43.

expensive, the guest must pick up the tab. In a nutshell, it takes

:28:44.:28:48.

away the swimming pools, the sauna, the gymnasium, the games room, and

:28:49.:28:52.

wants you to pay more to get them back. Disney claims it offered

:28:53.:28:57.

everybody the chance to cancel and all travel agents were made aware

:28:58.:29:03.

the building work was overrunning. That message clearly did not get

:29:04.:29:08.

through. Disney said it regrets any disappointment and is trying to

:29:09.:29:08.

limit disruption. Some hope. It will be at home in England and

:29:09.:29:19.

Wales and most of the prices will shoot up. Is it possible to cheat

:29:20.:29:23.

the system? Simon Calder is here for a masterclass.

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Simon, travel teacher, welcome. We know what happens, at term comes

:29:31.:29:40.

along, prices go through the roof. Are these companies profiteering?

:29:41.:29:45.

They are not, because for most of the year they trade at a loss, but

:29:46.:29:49.

come the school holidays there will be a surge in demand, they can put

:29:50.:29:55.

the prices up and turn a profit. So it is economics? It certainly is.

:29:56.:30:05.

You have some tips for us. School Vase out. On Friday night I'll be

:30:06.:30:10.

waiting at the school gates, bags all packed, ready to go straight to

:30:11.:30:14.

the airport. That's because I know you are going to pay far less on a

:30:15.:30:17.

Friday night than on the Saturday, when everybody wants to travel. How

:30:18.:30:24.

much? On the 18th of July, flying from Gatwick to Malaga. That's the

:30:25.:30:28.

day that English schools break up. You will save at least ?36 compared

:30:29.:30:32.

with the lowest budget airline flight the following day. Hint

:30:33.:30:40.

number two. This one I call cross-country. It simply takes

:30:41.:30:43.

advantage of the fact that the holiday dates are different in

:30:44.:30:47.

different parts of the UK, in particular between Scotland and

:30:48.:30:50.

England. Scottish family, early July, schools that have broken up

:30:51.:30:54.

but they happened in England. If you are prepared to travel south to

:30:55.:30:57.

Newcastle or Manchester, you could save a fortune. At the end of August

:30:58.:31:06.

the opposite applies. How much is a fortune? A trip to the Algarve, the

:31:07.:31:10.

Scottish family that goes to Manchester airport could save up to

:31:11.:31:14.

?400. Going north at the end of August, a family from Manchester

:31:15.:31:20.

going to Glasgow up to ?700. That more than makes up a train fares and

:31:21.:31:28.

petrol. Hint three. Business studies. What I mean by this is if

:31:29.:31:33.

the fares to your holiday destination save Venice or the Costa

:31:34.:31:36.

del Sol look too high, have a look at a nearby city that is normally

:31:37.:31:40.

used by business travellers, something like Milan for Venice or

:31:41.:31:44.

Madrid for Malaga. That's a long distance between Malaga and Madrid,

:31:45.:31:49.

how do I get there? Let's look at the savings, ?304 to Malaga, ?197 to

:31:50.:31:56.

Madrid. But you will only pay ?50 or so for a high-speed train if you

:31:57.:32:01.

book good and early. Glide through the Spanish countryside and save a

:32:02.:32:06.

fortune along the way. Simon will be staying with us through the show to

:32:07.:32:10.

answer your travel problems. Details of how to send your questions are on

:32:11.:32:15.

screen now. Still to come... Beattie Openreach ordered to fix your phone

:32:16.:32:25.

within two days. Really? We are back with Great British Mobility of

:32:26.:32:27.

Weston-super-Mare. Not to be confused with other companies who

:32:28.:32:30.

leave long and awkward silences during their sales pitch.

:32:31.:32:42.

We've invited salesman Malcolm back for a second visit, only this time

:32:43.:32:49.

we've got our wallet at the ready. Yes, we've decided to buy one of the

:32:50.:32:55.

chairs. Malcolm is back to seal the deal. We've opted for a model called

:32:56.:32:59.

the Cheltenham. But instead of paying more than three grand to get

:33:00.:33:03.

it made-to-measure, we buy one that Malcolm says has already been made

:33:04.:33:07.

up in the factory. And we buy it for the knock-down price of, wait for

:33:08.:33:15.

it, ?2200. Look at it all. Thanks for your business. No, Malcolm,

:33:16.:33:20.

thank you! Five days later and the most expensive chair that I or

:33:21.:33:23.

anyone else I know has ever bought arrives in all its glory. But is

:33:24.:33:31.

this a technological wonder seat? To find out, Simon Biddulph, from the

:33:32.:33:36.

British standards committee for rising and recline chairs. I think

:33:37.:33:38.

you sounds like the man for the job! Well, I've had a quick look at the

:33:39.:34:00.

chair and it looks pretty much representative of what's available

:34:01.:34:03.

on the market at the moment. You can buy them from high street furniture

:34:04.:34:07.

stores or mobility outlets. It is pretty much one of the mill. They

:34:08.:34:12.

claim it is being made in the UK. What is the truth? The frame

:34:13.:34:16.

definitely is. The actuation system, as far as I'm aware, is made

:34:17.:34:21.

in China. How much would you expect to spend on a chair like this? 500,

:34:22.:34:31.

600, 700 or ?800. We paid ?2200 for it. Really? It's a lot of money for

:34:32.:34:37.

this type of chair. It doesn't make any sense at all. No, I believe it's

:34:38.:34:44.

grossly overinflated. All we've seen so far is the handiwork of just one

:34:45.:34:47.

salesman. The one we really want to see in action is the guy who sold to

:34:48.:34:54.

Jody's grandparents. What was his name? It was Nick. Wouldn't it be

:34:55.:35:00.

great if we could call Nick out for a free, no obligation home

:35:01.:35:04.

demonstration with one of our stooges and find out exactly how he

:35:05.:35:10.

works? Nick from Great British Mobility. I love it when that

:35:11.:35:14.

happens! Yes, it's a new house and Nick Edmonds, who dealt with

:35:15.:35:18.

Jodie's grandparents, is knocking on the door. Katie, she's back and

:35:19.:35:24.

raring to stooge. There is, however, a slight hiccup. You see, its band

:35:25.:35:28.

practice tonight, but luckily the boys have agreed I can keep an eye

:35:29.:35:32.

on the seedings and comment musically wherever appropriate.

:35:33.:35:37.

Please call me Nick. Mick kicks off by talking us to the different

:35:38.:35:40.

chairs Great British Mobility have on offer. The parts and components

:35:41.:35:47.

are British, they are not Chinese or Malaysian. What was it that Simon

:35:48.:35:53.

Biddulph said? The actuation system was made in China. That's not true.

:35:54.:36:01.

Therefore, Nick is potentially... # Breaking the law!

:36:02.:36:09.

The commercial practice is misleading if it contains false

:36:10.:36:12.

information and it causes or is likely to cause the average consumer

:36:13.:36:16.

to take a transactional decision he would not have taken otherwise. We

:36:17.:36:22.

are an hour into the demonstration and Nick still hasn't mentioned the

:36:23.:36:27.

cost. How much do these chairs come out at? She's just asked for the

:36:28.:36:34.

price. We should know any moment now. Any minute now... No, no. You

:36:35.:36:40.

see, Nick doesn't tell us for almost another half an hour. 2780. That's a

:36:41.:36:51.

lot of money. And when Katie says she's unsure she wants to spend

:36:52.:36:55.

almost three grand on a chair, Nick deploys the favourite tactic of the

:36:56.:36:59.

pressure seller. The old, call-back to the office on the off chance we

:37:00.:37:04.

can do you a special deal routine. Sure enough, he's now miraculously

:37:05.:37:09.

able to drop the price to ?2200, or offer an off-the-shelf version of

:37:10.:37:13.

the same chair for ?2000. We've got you fantastic price. We know that's

:37:14.:37:18.

not a fantastic price. Therefore he is...

:37:19.:37:26.

# Breaking the law! Let me refer you to schedule one

:37:27.:37:30.

paragraph 18, passing on materially inaccurate information on market

:37:31.:37:33.

conditions or on the possibility of finding the product with the

:37:34.:37:38.

intention of inducing the consumer to acquire the project at conditions

:37:39.:37:42.

less favourable than normal market conditions. Now Catherine needs to

:37:43.:37:47.

tell Nick that she wants time to think it over. Remember Malcolm?

:37:48.:37:51.

Eleanor was sure she wanted to buy today 16 times before we got the

:37:52.:37:57.

message. How about Nick? I'm sorry, I can't make an instant decision

:37:58.:38:02.

today. Well, it's not instant, is it? It's not instant because of the

:38:03.:38:08.

work we've done today. It feels instant to me. Maybe I should think

:38:09.:38:13.

about it a bit more. I don't want to make the wrong decision. I don't

:38:14.:38:18.

want to rush into anything. It's a new PB. Katie has said she is unsure

:38:19.:38:23.

needs time to think 31 times before Nick finally gives up. I don't know

:38:24.:38:29.

what you are going to think about. Wait, wait. High-pressure sales in

:38:30.:38:34.

and of themselves are not against the law. However, Nick was invited

:38:35.:38:39.

into her home on the basis of a free, no obligation home

:38:40.:38:46.

demonstration. Therefore his overall presentation was deceptive and

:38:47.:38:48.

breaching regulation five of the consumer protection for unfair

:38:49.:38:53.

trading regulations 2008. And that means he is...

:38:54.:38:57.

# Breaking the law! And after almost two and a half

:38:58.:39:08.

hours, Nick finally gives up and leaves. So, two salesman, two

:39:09.:39:19.

badgering, high-pressure sales pitches. Clearly, they are a company

:39:20.:39:24.

we need to talk to. Possibly with a bit of accompaniment. See you next

:39:25.:39:25.

week, guys. That's a bit harsh. Anyway, we are

:39:26.:39:37.

rocking and rolling our way to a bust up with Great British Mobility,

:39:38.:39:41.

to let them know that pressure selling to old folk needs to become

:39:42.:39:45.

a thing of the past. We will be turning it up to 11 in about ten.

:39:46.:39:52.

Next, FIFA 14, the biggest selling football game on the market. If you

:39:53.:39:56.

have a child with a PlayStation or Xbox, you almost certainly have a

:39:57.:40:00.

copy. Then again, it's not just children who play it. Sorry, I'm

:40:01.:40:07.

about to win the Champions League with Accrington Stanley. Accrington

:40:08.:40:13.

Stanley, who are they? IN A LIVERPUDLIAN ACCENT: Exactly! I'm

:40:14.:40:22.

taking Accrington Stanley back to the big time. It lets you turn the

:40:23.:40:26.

lowliest clubs into world beaters. They come in special "player packs"

:40:27.:40:31.

, which you can earn if you are good that the game or you can buy them.

:40:32.:40:34.

But you can't pick them, you only find out what your players are after

:40:35.:40:40.

you open the packs. The player packs start at 79p, so how come some

:40:41.:40:43.

customers are finding themselves with bills of nearly ?1500. Player

:40:44.:40:48.

packs are the key to building the ultimate fantasy team in FIFA 14.

:40:49.:40:52.

And to gamers, netting the best players in the world is a very big

:40:53.:41:01.

deal indeed. Messi! No, why has this happened? It is often parents who

:41:02.:41:09.

are actually paying for these packs. My son loves playing FIFA, so I must

:41:10.:41:14.

dash back I was persuaded to buy his first play packs using my debit

:41:15.:41:19.

card. But what I didn't realise is that PlayStation and Xbox keep hold

:41:20.:41:23.

of your card details. So all my son had to do was hit confident purchase

:41:24.:41:27.

while he was playing and, hey presto, my card was charged again

:41:28.:41:31.

completely without my knowledge. And, by the way, before I got wind

:41:32.:41:37.

of the fact that he'd run up a ?79 bill. And I'm just one of dozens of

:41:38.:41:41.

parents we've heard from you been caught out in this way. And it's not

:41:42.:41:47.

surprising. Making repeated purchases is remarkably easy. There

:41:48.:41:51.

is remarkably easy. There's no password codes, no messages to

:41:52.:41:54.

double check you want to make the purchase. You just select the item

:41:55.:41:59.

you want and press confirm. The process is so simple that for many

:42:00.:42:03.

kids playing the game it is not obvious you are making an actual

:42:04.:42:07.

financial transaction. Just ask Henry and his mum, Fran. Henry, why

:42:08.:42:12.

do you love playing FIFA so much? I get to play with my friends on it.

:42:13.:42:19.

It's really fun because my friends got really good players in packs and

:42:20.:42:23.

I wanted to get those players as well. Did it ever occur to you to

:42:24.:42:28.

think that you were spending real money? No, I didn't. How shocked

:42:29.:42:35.

were you when you found out? Vary. Fran, you were never at any point,

:42:36.:42:40.

while Henry was buying these packs, prompted to re-enter your card

:42:41.:42:45.

details or anything? Nothing at all. It's made so easy for children, just

:42:46.:42:50.

at the click of a button they have access to your bank account. My son

:42:51.:42:54.

racked up ?79, but that was just in an afternoon. Over six weeks, what

:42:55.:43:02.

did Henry cost you? ?1500. Did you have any idea this was happening?

:43:03.:43:08.

Non-whatsoever, we'd never bought him a single pack. When I entered my

:43:09.:43:13.

debit card details, I knew it was the paper player packs. But for Fran

:43:14.:43:17.

and other parents to Britain to us, that wasn't the case. Because they'd

:43:18.:43:21.

used their credit cards to sign up for something else entirely, either

:43:22.:43:27.

Xbox live or PlayStation plus. These are the consoles online subscription

:43:28.:43:30.

services that let you play against other gamers via the internet. It's

:43:31.:43:37.

outrageous that they could... We agreed to sign up for one thing and

:43:38.:43:40.

they continued to use our card or other payments without our

:43:41.:43:44.

knowledge. And it is an easy thing to get caught out by because you

:43:45.:43:47.

might have signed up to those services a long time before. David

:43:48.:43:52.

Porter, from the Shetlands, has been an Xbox owners since 2009. He bought

:43:53.:43:58.

his son FIFA 14 last September. Two months later he got his credit card

:43:59.:44:02.

bill. I opened it and there were four pages. It was all Xbox, Xbox.

:44:03.:44:12.

The total came to be ?1260. Once again, Microsoft were taking the

:44:13.:44:15.

payments for the player packs from the credit card he'd used to sign up

:44:16.:44:20.

to Xbox Live. But here's the thing, he'd done that over four years ago.

:44:21.:44:27.

To me, it was a subscription that would keep on being renewed on a

:44:28.:44:30.

year-to-year basis. I didn't think for a minute you would be able to

:44:31.:44:34.

purchase, certainly not spend this amount of money. This is

:44:35.:44:38.

consistently happening on both the PlayStation and the Xbox. And the

:44:39.:44:42.

fact they retain the right to do this isn't exactly spelled-out.

:44:43.:44:46.

These are the terms and conditions for Microsoft and Sony's online

:44:47.:44:52.

services. Both over 6000 words long, both with complicated

:44:53.:44:56.

statements buried deep within, stating that they retain the right

:44:57.:45:01.

to charge but other services besides the ones you've already signed up

:45:02.:45:07.

for. They are not exactly spelling it out. There is a way to let both

:45:08.:45:11.

Microsoft and Sony know that the person playing isn't an adult and

:45:12.:45:15.

therefore shouldn't be treated as such. There are parental controls

:45:16.:45:19.

that you can use to set up restricted accounts for children or

:45:20.:45:24.

teenagers. But, as Peter and his son, James, found out, even after

:45:25.:45:28.

taking those precautions you can still fall foul of FIFA 14. I was

:45:29.:45:34.

meticulous about setting up 18 account on the Xbox, on the

:45:35.:45:40.

expectation that the key system default would be purchase

:45:41.:45:43.

protection, not accessing inappropriate content and the like.

:45:44.:45:50.

We paid for the Microsoft Xbox Live account and played. But it made no

:45:51.:45:53.

difference because Peter, too, received a shock bill. There was

:45:54.:46:00.

over ?1200 of Xbox transactions within a 14 or 15 day period. When

:46:01.:46:05.

Peter went back to check the parental controls he discovered that

:46:06.:46:08.

even if you set up a team account, the default setting is still to

:46:09.:46:13.

allow a parent's credit card to be charged for endgame purchases. You

:46:14.:46:17.

have to deselect that option to prevent your child spending your

:46:18.:46:22.

money. This is a 21st-century gaming system but the parental controls,

:46:23.:46:26.

the access, the logic, it's just not good enough. EA sports said they are

:46:27.:46:35.

looking to improve clarity over purchases in all their games. Xbox

:46:36.:46:40.

says it is clear that real money is being spent when you buy the packs.

:46:41.:46:45.

They note that one of the people in the film received a partial refund

:46:46.:46:49.

and apologises and says they will improve how they handle complaints.

:46:50.:46:53.

They recommend using other payment types such as gift cards is to stop

:46:54.:46:57.

your card being used for unauthorised payments. They suggest

:46:58.:47:07.

setting up a child account and activating e-mail alerts. Keep your

:47:08.:47:12.

stories coming in. Here are more? -- you are more: BT Openreach has been

:47:13.:47:19.

warned by Ofcom overtaking too long to fix faults and carry out

:47:20.:47:23.

installations. Last year we reported on how this street was left with no

:47:24.:47:31.

access for two months. BT will have two working days to complete 80% of

:47:32.:47:36.

all working repairs reported to them. They will have 12 days to get

:47:37.:47:42.

appointments for new customers. If they fail, they could get fined.

:47:43.:47:46.

They are hiring 1600 new engineers but will this improve things? Let us

:47:47.:47:53.

know, if your Internet is working, that is. If you are going somewhere

:47:54.:47:57.

warm this half term you might to think twice about what sun lotions

:47:58.:48:07.

to pack. Six suntan lotions were selected by a consumer magazine, and

:48:08.:48:13.

these three, the most expensive on the list, all failed. Results

:48:14.:48:18.

indicated they are just factor 25 or below. They stand by the products,

:48:19.:48:25.

claiming in their own test the match the levels of factor 30. Just be

:48:26.:48:30.

careful, try not to get burnt. This week, Ted too-mac was hit with the

:48:31.:48:42.

largest ever penalty -- e.ON was hit with the largest ever penalty for a

:48:43.:48:47.

power supply in the UK. They were given it for mis-selling because

:48:48.:48:52.

information has routinely been given out to customers. On top of the

:48:53.:48:56.

fine, they have been ordered to pay compensation which could cost them

:48:57.:49:00.

?8 million. Here is something you don't hear often. We are devastated,

:49:01.:49:04.

absolutely occasions. He and his company need

:49:05.:49:34.

to know the behaviour is not access the ball. To coin a phrase, we are

:49:35.:49:40.

putting the band back together. Here is the news, Nick is on his way

:49:41.:49:44.

background. We have put a new line-up together. We are called No

:49:45.:49:58.

Obligation Home Demonstration. Our actress has called him round for a

:49:59.:50:01.

second consultation, except this time, my band are waiting to rock

:50:02.:50:07.

out in the conservatory. On time, he approaches the house so it is time

:50:08.:50:11.

to stop rehearsals and get ready for the headline act. Katie and soothes

:50:12.:50:18.

the door while the band and I wait to see what he has got to say. After

:50:19.:50:25.

some chat, whilst he sets up the demonstration chair, Katie asks him

:50:26.:50:31.

one more time about the ?2200 he has quoted her. You think this is a good

:50:32.:50:38.

price? Yes, I do. It is the retail and with some discounts. You get

:50:39.:50:43.

what you pay for. That is another ten breach of consumer

:50:44.:50:51.

demonstration. He is not allowed to suggest it is a good price when we

:50:52.:50:57.

know it is not. Katie asks him to, check if the chair would fit into

:50:58.:51:02.

her conservatory. Clearly, it would not because currently squeezed in

:51:03.:51:08.

there is my band and a camera crew. Perhaps you can have a look and see

:51:09.:51:19.

if you think it would fit. Nick, you are potentially breaking the law.

:51:20.:51:27.

Nick, BBC Rogue Traders. The point that we are making their is what you

:51:28.:51:33.

have been doing breaches several regulations, specifically against

:51:34.:51:39.

trading regulations from 2008. When you enter somebody's home on the

:51:40.:51:45.

basis of a no obligation demonstration and then you actually

:51:46.:51:48.

pursue high-pressure sales technique, as we have seen you

:51:49.:51:55.

doing... On 31 occasions our Lady expressed reservations about what

:51:56.:51:59.

was taking place and you overrode those and tried to get an ants from

:52:00.:52:04.

her today. That was fine. Then I walked away from it. The chair that

:52:05.:52:10.

we were potentially buying is worth six or ?700. That is what the

:52:11.:52:14.

equivalent chair would cost if you are going to buy it on the open

:52:15.:52:18.

market, whereas in fact you were selling it for three times that

:52:19.:52:21.

value. If you were selling it for three times that value. If you're

:52:22.:52:25.

doing that, that is a breach of the regulations of 2008. The other copy?

:52:26.:52:33.

My company probably does. I will give you one here. We have marked up

:52:34.:52:37.

the areas in which you were deficient and misleading in your

:52:38.:52:43.

sales pitch. I don't need to be. Can you see that when you are pushing

:52:44.:52:46.

for a sale on the day like that it leads to people making the wrong

:52:47.:52:50.

decisions, decisions that they would not have made otherwise? This is why

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I really do it. You did it on this occasion. She needs a chair, she

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also needs... You are loving this. You can understand why we have done

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what we have done. I will tell you the circumstances under which we

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would not be having this discussion, is when she said she had some time

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to think about it, you said, fine, key is my card, take as much time as

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you want. That would have been no obligation, three home

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demonstration. So it is the one thing. We have for breaches of the

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consumer protection regulations. We also have the fact that you said it

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was a great deal. What I first initially says is you can get

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cheaper chairs. An equivalent would be available for ?700. I don't know

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that. Well you should if you're telling people that is a great deal.

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You need to know that. If you're telling people it is a great deal

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you need to know it is a great deal and not three times the cost of an

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equivalent chair somewhere else. The conversation goes on for a few

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minutes whilst Nick packs the demonstration chair away. You're

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going in on the basis of no obligation. I am allowed to ask if

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they want to buy. Of course you are. And then when they say

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they want to buy. Of course you are. understand people need to sell

:54:27.:54:30.

things, but the way they sell them, that is what the regulations are

:54:31.:54:34.

there to prescribe and make sure it is done properly, they are

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absolutely crucial. I will pass it onto my, we will take it on board. I

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will not say it has been a pleasure. Nice to meet you. There he goes,

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Nick from Great British Mobility. I think he took some of that on board.

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There he is, rocking and rolling his way out of Telford. In a statement

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to us, the mobility rental group apologised for any mistakes made and

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hope to learn from them. They told us trading ethically and legally our

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core principles of their business. They have checks in place to ensure

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everybody at the company treats customers with care and respect.

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With respect, that does not appear to be working. As for Nick and

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Malcolm, they have been suspended and they become the next faces on

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the rogues gallery. We have questions for Simon Calder.

:55:42.:55:50.

And the, are the comparison sites for holidays accurate? I would look

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at them to get some idea of what prices are like, but I would not put

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through them because of mischief on the Internet. I would go direct to

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the company, see what prices they are quoting, or indeed, go through a

:56:06.:56:11.

travel agent, the original price comparison service. This e-mail,

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does it make a difference if you leave for your holiday midweek

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rather than the weekend? It certainly does. If you look at

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Wednesday Wednesday holiday, that will use up six days of working

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time, if you go Saturday- Saturday, that is only a five-day week. Demand

:56:33.:56:40.

is lower, prices tend to be lower. Amanda in Lincolnshire says she has

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no choice but to go during the school holidays, is there a last

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minute cheap deal? I am always in school holidays, is there a last

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favour of packing up the car, heading for Dover, finding a lovely

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campsite down there. You can always find crossings in France. It is a

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lovely part of France, you can keep the lid on spending. That is the

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watchdog trip sorted. Keep sending your stories in. There is the other

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option of writing to us at this address.

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Coming up next week, Royal Sun Alliance and Churchill, the

:57:20.:57:22.

insurance companies who promised after the floods to get you back

:57:23.:57:27.

into your home very quickly. Did they? Pontoons, the dangers at their

:57:28.:57:33.

Southport holiday camp that left an 11-year-old boy looking like this.

:57:34.:57:38.

And a close encounter with one of the roughest rogues he has come

:57:39.:57:40.

across. That is all on the programme next

:57:41.:57:52.

Wednesday. Good night.

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