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I'm Michelle Ackerley. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:05 | |
My parents both grew up on council estates | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
and as a family, we understand the difference social housing can make | 0:00:08 | 0:00:12 | |
to people's lives. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:13 | |
Millions of families across the UK are struggling to find affordable housing. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:18 | |
So this is my front room and my bedroom together. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
Many are living in temporary or overcrowded conditions, | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
desperate for somewhere decent to live. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
This is our room where we sleep and this is what we've got at the minute. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
We can't really call it our home. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
But some social housing tenants are abusing the system, | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
holding on to properties they no longer need. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
When somebody applies for housing, | 0:00:38 | 0:00:39 | |
you expect them to live in the property and when they don't, | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
it does start to take the mickey. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
Or even worse, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:45 | |
making a small fortune by illegally subletting them. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
He was charging beyond £1,500 a month. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
He exploited this completely to his advantage. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
So I'm with housing investigators cracking down on tenancy cheats... | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
-What a waste. -If you want to commit tenancy fraud, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
don't bother coming here. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:04 | |
..reclaiming properties... | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
I need to speak to you, please. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
They've seen an opportunity and they think they're not going to get caught. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
..and giving them to families in genuine need. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
That's how a council house should be. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
It should be loved and looked after. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
This is Council House Crackdown. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
Tonight, an inside job, as a council executive - | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
earning more than £50,000 a year - | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
attempts to unlawfully purchase a council property. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
I just cannot believe - even now, when I go through this with you - | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
that this guy really thought he was going to get away with it. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
We discover how this woman swindled thousands of pounds | 0:01:40 | 0:01:44 | |
from the public purse by illegally subletting her council property. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
This woman was just coining in money, wasn't she? | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
Well, there's a significant opportunity to make illegal profit, yes. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
-And she really cashed it in. -Yeah. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
And subtenants help a fraud team bring down an illegal landlord. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:01 | |
Yeah, we're home now, so if you want, you can come around. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
-I need to speak to you, please. -Can you open the door, please, sir? | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
A total of 2,700 investigations into social housing tenancy fraud | 0:02:22 | 0:02:27 | |
have been carried out over the last 12 months. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
Half of these cases involve illegal sublets. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
The rest involve other attempts to cheat the system, | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
such as lying about your circumstances, | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
or making a false application for social housing. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
Our first case exposes an executive earning more than £50,000 a year | 0:02:46 | 0:02:52 | |
but leading a double life to cheat authorities out of not just £23,000 | 0:02:52 | 0:02:57 | |
in benefits, but a highly sought-after social housing property. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
-This is him. -This is Charles Hahn. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
His deception began in the leafy suburb of Blackheath in south London. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
Clive, this area looks really lovely to me. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
You can see just from walking along this street. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
These properties are amazing. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:25 | |
Beautiful houses. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
Lovely, vast, open, green areas. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
What about the properties over here? | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
So these are predominantly council-owned. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
-They're council properties? -Yeah. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:37 | |
They don't look like it at all. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
Many of them have been bought by their tenants that have lived here | 0:03:39 | 0:03:43 | |
for any length of time, really, because they are so desirable. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
People want to live in a part of town like this. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
I can imagine the demand for a property like this when they become available is pretty high. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:54 | |
Yes. Oh, very much so. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
I think if one of these is vacant, and it goes on to the council's list, | 0:03:56 | 0:04:01 | |
anybody on the waiting list will want to bid for this. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
In June 2009, Charles Hahn was one of the hopefuls | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
desperate to upgrade to one of these Blackheath properties. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
According to council records at the time, | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
43-year-old Charles Hahn was an unemployed father of two. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
He was the tenant of a one-bedroom flat in Greenwich. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
His family was growing in size and they needed larger accommodation. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
Charles Hahn's circumstances seemed all too typical - | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
a struggling father trying to support a young family and needing help. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:35 | |
For the leader of the Royal Borough of Greenwich, councillor Denise Hyland, | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
it was a familiar story. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
Talk me through how important it is for social housing properties in the | 0:04:40 | 0:04:45 | |
Royal Borough of Greenwich to go to those who are in genuine need. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
I meet my constituents, you know, at least on a fortnightly basis. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:55 | |
And I would say 90% of the cases I deal with, | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
it's about housing need. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
We have about 16,000 people on our waiting list and it feels like it's thus ever been. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:09 | |
But we work very, very hard to provide housing to those in genuine need. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:15 | |
Sympathetic to Charles Hahn's plight, | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
the Royal Borough of Greenwich considered his application. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
And after nearly three years on the waiting list, in May 2012, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
he was allocated a two-bedroom council property next to Blackheath's | 0:05:27 | 0:05:31 | |
highly sought-after Cator Estate. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
After living in cramped conditions for years, | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
this apparently struggling father had finally landed the home he'd been dreaming of, | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
a more spacious family property in one of London's most | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
appealing areas. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
A lot of the houses in this road are houses of £1 million-plus. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:53 | |
-Really? -And all privately owned. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
Um... And it's a really nice place. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
People want to live here, you know? | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
It's a part of south-east London that is desirable. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
But just one month after Charles Hahn moved into his property, | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
he sent an application to the council that immediately rang alarm bells. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:13 | |
Charles Hahn informed authorities that he wished to exercise his right to buy. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:18 | |
This would mean he could purchase his council flat at a huge discount | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
of more than £100,000. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
We're selling our assets, if you like, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
by our housing stock being diminished when people want to buy their own house, | 0:06:26 | 0:06:31 | |
which they have the right to do. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
So it's very important that when a right-to-buy case comes in, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:38 | |
they're all scrutinised quite carefully. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
Eagle-eyed officers spotted something unusual | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
in Charles Hahn's application. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
During the right-to-buy process, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
somebody has to produce evidence that they can get a mortgage, | 0:06:48 | 0:06:53 | |
their mortgage offer letter, if you like. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
And Mr Hahn's mortgage offer letter, when it arrived at the council, | 0:06:55 | 0:06:59 | |
was addressed to him at an address in South Ockendon in Essex. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
The authorities immediately became suspicious. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:08 | |
Officially, Charles Hahn was supposed to be a council tenant living in Blackheath. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:13 | |
So, why did his mortgage provider send him a letter to an address in Essex? | 0:07:13 | 0:07:18 | |
Later... | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
The full shocking story behind Charles Hahn's deception is exposed. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:26 | |
We were astonished. I mean, we couldn't believe it. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
And the effect of his crime on those waiting for social housing hits home. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:33 | |
Yeah, I could cry for them, you know? Because I don't... | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
Oh, sorry. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
-Isn't that ridiculous? -No, not in the slightest. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
According to research, | 0:07:51 | 0:07:52 | |
nearly 100,000 social housing properties are being unlawfully sublet | 0:07:52 | 0:07:57 | |
and in a time of unprecedented demand, and so many people desperate for somewhere to live, | 0:07:57 | 0:08:03 | |
most agree this constitutes a drain on a precious | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
resource that we can ill afford. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
This two-bedroom flat in Kilburn was one of those properties being | 0:08:08 | 0:08:13 | |
illegally sublet. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
66-year-old fraudster Ingrid Schultz should have been living there | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
but Brent Council discovered that instead, she was making thousands of | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
pounds by illegally subletting the property. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
I've joined Dave Verma, head of the fraud team | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
that uncovered her deception. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:31 | |
So, Dave, tell me a bit more about this area of London. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
So it's very up and coming. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
This is north-west six, so it's very sought after. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
The house prices are escalating at a rate of knots round here. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
Outside London, the average monthly rent for a two-bedroom flat is less than £700. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:50 | |
But in the capital, it's over 1,700, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
so there's an acute demand for affordable social housing. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
So let's talk about Ingrid Schultz. | 0:08:57 | 0:08:58 | |
When did she first get a property with Brent Council? | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
That was in January 2003. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
Everything seemed absolutely in order and there were no suspicions | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
for many years. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
But in 2015, 12 years later, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
Brent Council received an anonymous tip-off that Ingrid Schultz | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
was no longer living here. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
So off the back of that tip-off, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
you paid an unannounced visit to this property, is that right? | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
Yes, the wrong person opened the door. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
So there was a lady who opened the door and she seemed to be quite evasive | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
and was saying that the genuine tenant, Ingrid Schultz, was away. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:31 | |
Friends, family members can, you know, can open doors. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
What was it about that that made you think, "Hold on a minute"? | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
She didn't come across quite right. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
She definitely seemed to be hiding something. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
Off the back of that, some more detailed intelligence checks were done. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:46 | |
Brent Council's fraud team quickly discovered through credit checks | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
that Ingrid Schultz was linked to a second address, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
six miles away in the borough of Hammersmith and Fulham. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
So where was she really living? | 0:09:56 | 0:09:57 | |
In Brent or Hammersmith? | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
What did you do next? | 0:09:59 | 0:10:00 | |
We felt confident to work in partnership with | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
Hammersmith and Fulham to organise some joint visits, | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
whereby we'd visit simultaneously this address in Brent and also that | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
one in Hammersmith and Fulham. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:11 | |
A double door knock, basically, isn't it? | 0:10:11 | 0:10:13 | |
That's the bottom line, yeah. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
So you knock on the door of this property | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
where Ingrid is supposed to be living, at the same time as | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
the property you suspect that she is actually living at? | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
We can get an immediate snapshot view as to what the reality of the | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
matters are and we can speak to whoever we find at both properties to get | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
their view on why they are living where they're living and what the real situation is. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:38 | |
-What did you find? -Ingrid Schultz was actually residing, | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
or appeared to be actually residing, | 0:10:41 | 0:10:42 | |
at the Hammersmith and Fulham address. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:44 | |
The fraud team's double door knock had caught her at the second address, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
but she claimed to have a legitimate reason for being there. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
When pressed, she was telling us that one reason she was often in | 0:10:51 | 0:10:56 | |
Hammersmith and Fulham was to look after her cats. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
She had four cats and she was telling us that they lived there because it | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
was a ground-floor property. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
What did you think when she told you that? | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
Surely you thought, "The game's up, Ingrid"? | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
Yeah, it just doesn't hold together, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
it's not logical and we knew she was trying to fob us off. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
Ingrid Schultz's assertion that her cats had to live in Hammersmith | 0:11:14 | 0:11:19 | |
while she lived six miles away in Brent might have seemed ridiculous, | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
but the investigators had to treat her claim seriously. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
In this instance, she was so adamant that she was actually residing in | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
Brent that we thought we'd give her the benefit of the doubt and arrange a visit here | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
to see her in this property. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
So a few days later, | 0:11:35 | 0:11:36 | |
the fraud team visited Ingrid Schultz at her social housing flat in Brent, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
which she claimed was still her permanent address. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
She had created the facade that she was living here, | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
but it was very strange because she was in the front room with a double bed in the front room. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:51 | |
-So she was saying that she was living in the front room in a double bed? -Yeah. -Why? | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
She said she didn't like the rear of the property, for some reason, | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
and that she preferred to be in the front room. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
To me, honestly, it sounds quite comical, like, | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
what was your reaction when she said that? | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
It made us feel even more suspicious. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
What are you thinking that the actual situation is? | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
It appeared very much to us that this premises had been sublet in its entirety | 0:12:11 | 0:12:16 | |
and that the different rooms had been made into bedrooms | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
that could be let out. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:21 | |
It was a two-bedroom flat complete with a living room, | 0:12:21 | 0:12:25 | |
so Ingrid Schultz had three rooms she could rent out separately, | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
all while living in another borough a few miles away. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
She seemed to be very industrious in maximising the rental potential from | 0:12:31 | 0:12:36 | |
the social housing we'd awarded her. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
Later, the full extent of Ingrid Schultz's deception is revealed. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
So she's had 19 different people living within that property? | 0:12:42 | 0:12:47 | |
Yeah, well, our suspicion at that point was 19 people have had | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
some kind of credit activity there, so it's very suspicious. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
Oh, my gosh. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:54 | |
Back in Blackheath, Charles Hahn's application to purchase | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
his council property with a right-to-buy discount of more than £100,000 | 0:13:04 | 0:13:10 | |
alerted authorities to a mysterious second address in Essex. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
Charles Hahn and then the address here in South Ockendon. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
In Greenwich, counter-fraud manager Nigel Brown's team of investigators | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
have dealt with more than 2,000 cases of tenancy fraud in the last two years. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:27 | |
When Charles Hahn's right-to-buy form landed on their desk, | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
their suspicions were immediately aroused. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
So what is it that we can see from this document? | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
As a result of putting the right-to-buy form in, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
he also provided us with details of his mortgage provider. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
Because we ask them as a matter of course, | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
"How are you going to fund the property?" | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
So, in this case, he provided a letter to us | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
to tell us that he was going to get a mortgage, | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
but inadvertently, we saw on this letter that it refers | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
to the borrower, Mr Charles Hahn, | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
and then it's got an address here in Aveley, in South Ockendon, Essex. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:01 | |
So this raised an alarm bell as to, "Why is this on there?" | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
This would appear to be his home address. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
Investigators delved deeper to find out what connected a property in | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
South Ockendon to Charles Hahn, | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
one of their tenants renting a council property in Blackheath. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:17 | |
What they discovered was alarming. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
Charles Hahn was already a property owner | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
and therefore had no need of social housing. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
We did a land registry check and, well, lo and behold, | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
Mr Charles Hahn is the owner of that property in South Ockendon | 0:14:29 | 0:14:33 | |
and he purchased it for £190,000 in July 2010. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
A worrying picture was beginning to emerge. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
When Mr Hahn applied to get a larger property, | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
he was living in a one-bedroom flat. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
But between the time that he applied and the time that he got granted the | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
tenancy here, his circumstances had changed. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
He'd bought a house, he had an alternative place to live. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:57 | |
He didn't actually need that social housing any more. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
And it would have been his responsibility to tell us that he'd | 0:15:00 | 0:15:04 | |
bought a property and he hadn't told us. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
The evidence confirmed investigators' suspicions. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
While applying to rent a highly sought-after council property in | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
Blackheath, Charles Hahn already owned another house. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
This was fraud. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:20 | |
Further investigation into Charles Hahn's background | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
uncovered an extraordinary double life. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
Mr Hahn had been claiming benefit for a number of years | 0:15:27 | 0:15:31 | |
as an unemployed person, | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
or as a person who was sick. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
But what we actually found was that he had full-time jobs, | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
he was working as a consultant, | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
he was a Health and Safety Executive at another | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
local authority in London, | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham... | 0:15:48 | 0:15:50 | |
-Oh, my gosh. -..and was actually quite a high earner. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
So he was working within the council? | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
Yes, within another council, yes. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
What did that make you think when you heard that? | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
I mean, the cheek of it at the very start is crazy, | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
but to think he was working within the council, | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
knowing clearly that something like this is wrong. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
Yes, well, the department that he was Health and Safety Executive for | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
-was the Department of Housing within that local authority. -Oh, my gosh! | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
So he must have had an idea about everything, | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
about what social housing was about and the importance of it. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
When you saw this information, what did you think? | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
You must have been shocked. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:27 | |
Yeah, really quite shocked | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
and it was sort of far-reaching, it had gone back quite a few years. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:35 | |
Yeah, it was quite surprising. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
When officers investigated further, | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
they discovered that through consultancy work with a number of | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
organisations, including the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham, | 0:16:44 | 0:16:48 | |
and the London Borough of Southwark, | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
Charles Hahn was earning £55,000 a year. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
And all the while claiming to be unemployed and in receipt of thousands of pounds in benefits. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:59 | |
It wasn't just the right to buy and the tenancy fraud that was an issue for us now, | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
it was also the fact that he had been on unemployment benefit, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
or employment support allowance as it's now called, | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
claiming to be an unemployed male whilst working and earning £55,000 a year in the council. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:14 | |
Not only that, we found that he'd also defrauded us on housing benefit | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
because at some point he'd claimed benefit from the council property | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
we had given him and never declared again that he was working. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
So we always thought, and had evidence to show, that he was an unemployed male. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
Charles Hahn had deliberately withheld information about his change of circumstances - | 0:17:28 | 0:17:33 | |
information he knew would have led to his application | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
for social housing being rejected. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
Looking at all this evidence, | 0:17:39 | 0:17:40 | |
you can see it's a man who's been incredibly deceptive but very | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
methodical and systematic with the whole thing. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
Yes, I mean, for a few years he pretended to be a man, | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
unemployed male with a family, | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
who needed help and assistance from the council. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
We ourselves awarded him housing benefit, | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
which we've overpaid him £23,000 as a result of his fraud. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
Yet, this was a man that's living a double life, earning £55,000 a year | 0:18:01 | 0:18:06 | |
as an executive of a local council. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:07 | |
You know, this guy should have known better. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
I just cannot believe - even now when I go through this with you - | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
that this guy really thought he was going to get away with it. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
It almost feels like this is the type of fraud that's on your doorstep | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
because it was someone within the council | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
and you look at your colleagues and, you know, friends within work, | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
and think, well, you wouldn't do that, the person you're working with wouldn't do that, | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
but then, it's someone within your industry. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
No, you're right, | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
it was one of our own committing fraud, really. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
Charles Hahn was called in for interview under caution, | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
and in the face of overwhelming evidence, pleaded guilty | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
to multiple offences under the Fraud Act and the Social Security Administration Act. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:46 | |
The judge interestingly, though, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
had some pretty descriptive words on the case, didn't he? | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
He was quite passionate about it. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:52 | |
Yes, he did, he said, "In the summer of 2012, | 0:18:52 | 0:18:56 | |
"someone meeting you would see a well-presented head of health and safety | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
"at a large London borough with a good salary. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
"No-one would have guessed what a fraud you are." | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
On December 20, 2016, | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
Charles Hahn was given a prison sentence | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
of two and a half years. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:14 | |
For the investigators who exposed his deception, | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
the punishment fit the crime. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
We were pleased when the result came through and he was put away in | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
prison - I mean, that was a good result, really, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
because he thoroughly deserved it. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:29 | |
Not only has he deprived people who genuinely need properties - | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
and a nice property, too - he's gone on to claim money from the council, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
housing benefit and other things, council tax. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
You know, I have to pay my council tax, and we all have to pay. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
He didn't have to pay any of it because we thought he was unemployed. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
Charles Hahn has been ordered to pay over £46,000 to the Royal Borough | 0:19:45 | 0:19:50 | |
of Greenwich by the end of March 2018. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:54 | |
Should he fail to pay by the due date, | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
he'll have to serve another 15 months in prison. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
In Greenwich, the actions of fraudsters like Charles Hahn have a direct | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
impact on the 16,000 people currently sat on the social housing waiting list. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:10 | |
From your point of view, you see people who are desperate for housing, | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
desperate for accommodation, they're coming to you week in, week out. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:20 | |
How does that make you feel on a personal level? | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
And many of them I would consider to be the working poor. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:27 | |
They are people who work in retail, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
many of them will be working on zero-hours contracts. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
So a lot of them won't claim benefits because their earnings are going up | 0:20:34 | 0:20:39 | |
and down like a yo-yo. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
And frankly, I could cry for them, you know, because I don't... | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
Sorry. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
Isn't that ridiculous? | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
No, not in the slightest. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
But that's the whole thing, isn't it? | 0:20:51 | 0:20:53 | |
It's an extremely emotional thing | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
and you just want the system to be working how it should be. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
And that's why you're working tirelessly to make sure these people get | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
the accommodation they deserve. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
It's sickening, isn't it? | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
Because here we are trying to do our best to make sure there is a fair | 0:21:07 | 0:21:12 | |
system for housing | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
and then you get people who are trying to subvert the whole process. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:20 | |
And so taking back our properties from these fraudsters and giving them to | 0:21:20 | 0:21:25 | |
those in genuine need is a priority for this council and every council | 0:21:25 | 0:21:30 | |
in the land. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:31 | |
Back in Brent, we heard how the council's fraud team had become suspicious | 0:21:38 | 0:21:43 | |
that Ingrid Shultz was actually living in Hammersmith whilst illegally | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
subletting her social housing flat. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
She was telling us that one reason she was often in Hammersmith and Fulham | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
was to look after her cat. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
Dave Verma and his counter-fraud team have recovered 60 properties in | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
the last 12 months. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
I'm not sure people realise that we have professional teams of | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
investigators who are very highly trained, | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
who are not going to be fobbed off, | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
who are going to be very tenacious and try to get | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
to the bottom of things and try and do the right thing for the public purse. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
And that's exactly what they did. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
Utilising the law to forensically examine the financial activities at | 0:22:19 | 0:22:23 | |
Ingrid Schultz's flat. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
So in order to confirm your suspicions of Ingrid Schultz, | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
-you obviously needed that solid body of evidence. -Sure. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
This first piece of paperwork here shows, indeed, that Ingrid Schultz | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
is at the property and she's got various credit going on there, | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
various activity, as we'd expect. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
However, on the second page... | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
This is quite surprising. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:46 | |
This shows no less than 19 different people having some sort of credit | 0:22:46 | 0:22:51 | |
activity at the property. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
-19? -Yes. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:54 | |
So she's had 19 different people living within that property? | 0:22:54 | 0:22:58 | |
Yeah, well, our suspicion at that point was 19 people have had some | 0:22:58 | 0:23:02 | |
kind of credit activity there. So it's very suspicious. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
Oh, my gosh. And then if you couple that with her bank account details, | 0:23:04 | 0:23:10 | |
what did that help to confirm? | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
Well, when we used our powers under the Prevention of Social Housing Fraud Act | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
to actually get her bank statements in, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
these very quickly indicated that there was a problem. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
Because right here on the first page we've got the word "rent", | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
"paid in", and an amount. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
It's incredibly clear. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:28 | |
Pretty clear. Moving through the bank statement, | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
that kind of activity is replicated on various pages. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
-Yeah. -So here we have the word "rent" and again, 520... | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
-Yeah. -And here, "Kilburn rent", which is clearly our property. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
-It's very specific, isn't it? -Yeah. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
And then again, 520. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
With two bedrooms and a mattress in the living room, | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
Ingrid Schultz could have been renting out all three rooms. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
At £520 per room, per month, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
she could have been taking in over £1,500 a month. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
And how much was she paying the council? | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
On average, that was £150 per week. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
That means a potential profit of over £900 a month from illegally | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
subletting her Brent flat. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
So she was making a tidy profit from this, wasn't she? | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
She was, because at any given time, | 0:24:16 | 0:24:18 | |
she was renting between two and sometimes three rooms in the property. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:22 | |
The bank statements also revealed exactly how she was running her sublet scam. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:27 | |
From the bank statements, we got a very good clue and that led us to | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
a prominent website where people advertise rooms. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
So she was advertising your council property for private rent? | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
-Yeah. -Let's have a look at the information. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
-So, what's this one? -Gorgeous double room, flat-share in Brondesbury. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
And here we have £145 per week. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
It's telling us it's five to ten minutes' walk from Brondesbury station. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
The availability is now. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
Minimum term - three months, maximum term - none. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
So it would look to anybody as if it was a genuine room offer. | 0:24:56 | 0:25:02 | |
This woman was just coining in money, wasn't she? | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
Well, there's a significant opportunity to make illegal profit, yes. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
-And she really cashed it in. -Yeah. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
Ingrid Schultz pleaded guilty to subletting her social housing property in Kilburn | 0:25:11 | 0:25:16 | |
and making an unlawful profit of over £10,000. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:20 | |
On the 16th of February 2017, she appeared for sentencing. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:25 | |
Dave Verma was at court to witness the outcome. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
So, we take this very seriously at Brent Council and we spend quite | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
considerable resources to investigate these matters and bring | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
the perpetrators to justice. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
The maximum penalty for this offence is a two-year prison sentence or a hefty fine. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:43 | |
And Ingrid Schultz has just been sentenced to 12 months, | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
suspended for two years, which I think's a very good result, | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
bearing in mind all the circumstances of the case. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
She'll also have to pay back over £10,000 in unlawful profit | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
and £5,000 in costs. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
It is days like this that makes our job as fraud investigators well worthwhile, | 0:25:57 | 0:26:01 | |
when we can hopefully send out a very strong message that we take this seriously and are here | 0:26:01 | 0:26:07 | |
for the community to eradicate housing fraud. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
The housing crisis is affecting almost every part of the UK, but nowhere | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
more so than London. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
The shortage of social housing in the capital city is so severe, | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
and rents in the private sector so high, | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
that thousands of people stuck in temporary accommodation are moving out | 0:26:30 | 0:26:34 | |
and relocating to other parts of the country. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
An increase in demand is continuing to drive up property prices and | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
private rents, with the gap between London and the rest of the UK | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
wider than ever. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:48 | |
In the capital, private rents are up to three times higher than they are | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
in other parts of the UK. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
Vanessa Ashawe is living in temporary accommodation with her two children | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
in Croydon, south London. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:03 | |
Obviously, I don't like it because it keeps me in limbo. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
I don't know what I'm doing, I don't know where I'm going. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
I don't know in terms of schooling, you know, nursery for my kids, | 0:27:10 | 0:27:14 | |
in terms of work. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
You know, there's so many different things there that people don't obviously, I suppose, | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
as housing, they're not really thinking about that. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
Vanessa applied to Wandsworth Council for social housing in 2014 | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
when her relationship broke down. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:29 | |
From the age I was 15, 16, | 0:27:29 | 0:27:31 | |
I've always worked and I've always been able to stand on my own two feet, | 0:27:31 | 0:27:35 | |
and support myself and my kids. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:37 | |
I've never ever relied on social housing before. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
This is the first time. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
It can happen to anyone. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:42 | |
You just never know. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
Vanessa and her two children have been living in this two-bed maisonette | 0:27:44 | 0:27:48 | |
for the past two years. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
The rent here is £260 a week. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
In London, even though you have two boys, | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
and though my son is 17 and James is two - | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
there's a big age gap between them - but because they're the same sex, | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
you can only have a two-bedroom property, | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
so that means that me and James both have to share this room. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
I just don't have the luxury to spread out in my own bed the way that I would want to. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:12 | |
Even though she's lived in Croydon her whole life, | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
Vanessa is now planning to move away, | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
leaving behind everything and everyone she knows. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
She signed up with Homefinder UK, | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
who place people on the social housing waiting list | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
in different parts of the country. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
Manchester, Liverpool, Cumbria, Wales, whatever it is, | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
it just works out to be so much cheaper. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
A three-bedroom house property there is about £400 a month. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:46 | |
It's amazing. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
Vanessa regularly checks online to see what social housing properties | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
are currently available across the country. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
There has been a property that I've seen that I love, | 0:28:55 | 0:28:57 | |
which is the one in Carlisle. It's a three-bedroom house. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
It's close to local shops and schools. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
It has a large family kitchen. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:04 | |
It's got a front and back garden. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:06 | |
I mean, I can't compare what is on this to what I have now because | 0:29:06 | 0:29:11 | |
there is no comparison at all. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:12 | |
This property is saying it's £386 a month... | 0:29:12 | 0:29:17 | |
you know, and my property is £200-something a week. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
There is no comparison towards it. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
Vanessa is convinced her decision to leave London is the right one for her children. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:28 | |
I think as a two-year-old, | 0:29:28 | 0:29:29 | |
he hasn't started nursery or anything yet, | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
so this is the perfect time for me to move. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
The chance of a home she can afford has finally given this single mum | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
hope of putting down permanent roots after so long in temporary accommodation. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:43 | |
I've got thoughts of how the property's going to be, | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
what it's going to be like. I've got ideas of decoration in my head, | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
and so forth. I mean, I've thought of... | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
I've kind of just, you know, thought a lot about it. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
I am excited about the future now. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
I've had such... | 0:29:58 | 0:30:00 | |
a hard time for the last couple of years, | 0:30:00 | 0:30:02 | |
should I say that it's really been so tough, and now to move somewhere, | 0:30:02 | 0:30:08 | |
start something new, you know, start a new life, that's how I see it, | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
you know. It's going to be great. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
I'm really looking forward to it, so, yeah. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
The idea of social housing is that it provides | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
secure and stable accommodation for people on low incomes | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
or with particular needs. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
It is not intended for those on high incomes | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
or for those who drive an expensive car and pay for private education. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
Our next case exposes a successful businesswoman, | 0:30:39 | 0:30:43 | |
leading a double life to cheat authorities | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
out of £43,000 in benefits | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
and a highly sought-after social housing property. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
It is a shocking thing and there's no need for them to do it. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
It is pure greed. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
Croydon, south London - | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
population, 381,000, and one of the UK's largest commercial districts. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:10 | |
As this bustling London borough continues to expand, | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
so, too, does the demand for social housing. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
Gail Campbell is a tenancy investigations officer | 0:31:20 | 0:31:22 | |
for Croydon Council. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
When her colleagues in the housing office received an application | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
from a woman called Angella Brown, | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
they assumed they were dealing with a claimant | 0:31:30 | 0:31:32 | |
in desperate need of help. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:34 | |
Angella Brown came to Croydon Council and reported herself | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
to be a homeless single parent with one child. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:42 | |
According to Angella Brown, | 0:31:42 | 0:31:44 | |
she'd been living with her daughter at a friend's house, | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
but was forced to leave | 0:31:46 | 0:31:48 | |
when the friend decided that the house was becoming overcrowded. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
There are nearly 5,000 households | 0:31:51 | 0:31:53 | |
on the social housing waiting list in Croydon | 0:31:53 | 0:31:55 | |
but, as a homeless single mother, | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
Angella Brown was given the highest priority. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
In March, 2006, the London borough of Croydon | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
were able to offer her a place to call her own. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
That application that she made was successful. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
She was housed in a council property, her and her daughter, | 0:32:09 | 0:32:13 | |
and she would continue as a council tenant and pay rent to the council. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:17 | |
Angella Brown settled into a council property in New Addington | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
and, as far as the authorities were concerned, | 0:32:20 | 0:32:24 | |
that was the end of the matter. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
But in 2008, a phone call to Croydon Council aroused suspicions. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:31 | |
There was an anonymous tip-off from somebody that said | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
that we'd housed her into a council property | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
when she already had a property of her own | 0:32:37 | 0:32:40 | |
and that property was habitable. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:42 | |
Investigators were alarmed. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:44 | |
By now, Angella Brown had been living | 0:32:44 | 0:32:46 | |
at the New Addington address for two years. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:50 | |
They conducted a Land Registry check against the name of Angella Brown. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:54 | |
What they discovered suggested the tip-off was accurate. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
We were able, then, to make a check on the Land Registry | 0:32:58 | 0:33:02 | |
and confirm that she did, in fact, own another property. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
Two and a half years before being awarded a council property, | 0:33:07 | 0:33:11 | |
she'd purchased this flat in Thornton Heath. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
Angella Brown wasn't a homeless single mother | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
in need of social housing. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:19 | |
She was a property owner. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:20 | |
So, looking at this property, what would Angella Brown be using it for? | 0:33:21 | 0:33:26 | |
It's an investment property, so she would find it really easy | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
to get a tenant that would be happy | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
to live in that property and pay a rent. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
When authorities examined the mortgage application | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
on the Thornton Heath property, they were stunned. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
Angella Brown had declared an income to her mortgage lender | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
of £92,000 a year. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
And that wasn't all. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:49 | |
Credit checks suggested that Angella Brown's financial circumstances | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
were in complete contrast to what she'd told the council. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:57 | |
That showed that she had a substantial amount of money | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
to pay each month for a car. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
It was the top of the range and she was expected to pay, | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
each month, £700, for the privilege of driving that car. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
-So, she was paying £700 a month to drive a car... -Yeah. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
..yet had applied for a council house property? | 0:34:13 | 0:34:17 | |
Yeah, and claimed benefits. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
Since 1999, Angella Brown had claimed more than £43,000 | 0:34:19 | 0:34:24 | |
in income support, housing benefit and council tax benefit. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
How does that make you feel? | 0:34:28 | 0:34:30 | |
Cos that, in itself, as a small part of the case, is just shocking, | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
-in my opinion. -It's somebody that's living two lifestyles. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:38 | |
One lifestyle is set aside for the council | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
but I'm sure to her friends outside and her business colleagues | 0:34:41 | 0:34:45 | |
and everybody else that knows her, she probably lives the high life. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:50 | |
Later... | 0:34:50 | 0:34:51 | |
..Angella Brown is exposed on tape... | 0:35:01 | 0:35:03 | |
It's just lie upon lie. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
..as investigators come face-to-face with her. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:11 | |
We were one step ahead of her all the way through this interview. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:14 | |
The housing crisis is hitting hard, | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
so it's inevitable that every time someone cheats the system by holding | 0:35:23 | 0:35:27 | |
on to a property they don't need, | 0:35:27 | 0:35:29 | |
or by unlawfully subletting it, | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
someone else loses out. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
Our next case spans two years and involves this young couple | 0:35:34 | 0:35:38 | |
who became innocent victims caught up in a tenancy fraud case | 0:35:38 | 0:35:42 | |
involving this man, Kibria Ahmed. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:46 | |
I was really upset. It was horrible. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:48 | |
It felt like everything was perfect and then it's just been taken away. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:52 | |
The story begins here, in Tower Hamlets, where, in October 2015, | 0:35:52 | 0:35:58 | |
this young couple, Shannon and her boyfriend Nayim, | 0:35:58 | 0:36:00 | |
were looking to build a home together. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
We had a look on Gumtree and found this flat. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
It seemed perfect for what we wanted. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
-It was nice. -We arranged to meet up with the landlord. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
We sort of reviewed it and everything seemed OK. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
He seemed legit. And then, yeah, we sort of moved in the following week. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:17 | |
The rent for the one-bedroom flat was £800 per month, | 0:36:17 | 0:36:22 | |
plus a £600 deposit. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:24 | |
They'd been saving up and could just about afford it. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
We used to be sharing flats before, sharing houses, | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
and being in rooms and someone else there. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
But that was only our place, there's no-one there and it looks like it's our home. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:38 | |
As soon as they moved in, | 0:36:38 | 0:36:39 | |
Shannon and Nayim set about turning their flat into a home. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:43 | |
It was just great getting things for the house. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
It felt really good. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:47 | |
It felt like home. I loved coming home from work and stuff like that. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
-It was brilliant. -Yeah, it was nice. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
Like, having a new home, | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
you are happy to call someone, to invite someone to come round. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
-Yeah, proud. -It was good. -It's our house. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
But unbeknown to Shannon and Nayim, | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
their new home was not a private flat, it was social housing. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:08 | |
And the tenant, Kibria Ahmed, the man who was supposed to be living there, | 0:37:08 | 0:37:12 | |
was unlawfully subletting it. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
Mr Ahmed was allocated the flat | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
back in 2008 by housing association Poplar Harca. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:21 | |
Following a tip-off that Mr Ahmed wasn't living there, | 0:37:21 | 0:37:25 | |
Poplar Harca's fraud investigator Avril Drummond | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
decided to investigate. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
On the 3rd of December 2015, | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
she called round to the flat hoping to see Mr Ahmed, but instead finding | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
Shannon and Nayim. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
It was a police officer and it was this lady. I thought, | 0:37:38 | 0:37:40 | |
"What's happened? Maybe something's happened." | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
She sort of said, "I'm the proper landlord." | 0:37:43 | 0:37:45 | |
I was a bit like, "No, you're not." So she showed me her ID | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
and I was like, "OK, maybe you'd better come in." | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
Avril broke the news to them | 0:37:52 | 0:37:53 | |
that the flat was being unlawfully sublet. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
Shannon and Nayim were devastated. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
I was really upset. I mean, it was horrible. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
It felt like everything was perfect and then it's just been taken away. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:06 | |
How can someone do that to innocent people? | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
It really hurt. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
I mean, having a house, finally living on my own with the person | 0:38:11 | 0:38:15 | |
that I really wanted to be with and then everything was taken away. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
Avril needed to come face-to-face with her unlawful tenant, | 0:38:18 | 0:38:22 | |
so she enlisted the help of Shannon and Nayim. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:24 | |
She came up with a plan to ask the landlord around to fix a blocked sink. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
Our cameras were filming with Avril and her team when this plan | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
came to fruition on the 9th of December 2015. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:35 | |
The best scenario would be for | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
this landlord to tell us everything that has been going on, | 0:38:38 | 0:38:43 | |
hold his hands up, then we'll take it from there. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
Once round at the flat, | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
Avril gives Shannon and Nayim a last-minute briefing. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
Hello. All right? | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
Thank you for seeing me again today. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
Obviously, we're now waiting for your landlord to turn up, OK? | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
So we'll just play it by ear when he gets here. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
We've got the police on standby and they are in the locality, as well, OK? | 0:39:05 | 0:39:09 | |
Nayim calls the man who's posing as his landlord and checks | 0:39:09 | 0:39:14 | |
he's on his way. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:15 | |
Hi, are you all right? | 0:39:15 | 0:39:17 | |
Yeah, we are home now, so if you want you can come around... | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
-All right, thanks, bye. -Next few minutes. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:27 | |
The man in question is about to arrive. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
I'm going to be in here. He's not going to know who I am. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
I've got my identification badge on me but I'm not going to be | 0:39:34 | 0:39:37 | |
-wearing it until he comes in. -Yeah. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
Later, the search for the illegal subletter Kibria Ahmed | 0:39:40 | 0:39:44 | |
is stepped up. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:45 | |
I need to speak to you, please. I'm from Poplar Harca. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
Can you open the door, please, sir? | 0:39:48 | 0:39:50 | |
And what happens when he's finally brought to justice. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
INDISTINCT SHOUTING | 0:39:53 | 0:39:55 | |
Back in Croydon, Angella Brown had obtained a council flat, | 0:40:07 | 0:40:12 | |
despite owning this property in Thornton Heath, | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
having an income of over £90,000 a year, | 0:40:15 | 0:40:19 | |
and a finance deal for a top-of-the-range car. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
It's somebody that's living two lifestyles. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
She probably lives the high life. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:27 | |
Fraud investigators needed to learn | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
the full extent of Angella Brown's deception. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
They teamed up with the Department for Work and Pensions | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
to look more closely at her claims history. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
Benefits were being claimed that were their domain. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
They were happy to come onboard | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
and the investigation then became a joint investigation. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
And it was this joint investigation | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
that uncovered a whole other level of fraudulent activity. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:55 | |
In 1999, two years before approaching Croydon Council, | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
stating that she was homeless, | 0:40:59 | 0:41:00 | |
Angella Brown had been receiving housing and council tax benefits, | 0:41:00 | 0:41:04 | |
while apparently renting a private property | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
from a man in north Croydon. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:09 | |
But when authorities discovered the identity of Brown's landlord, | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
they were stunned. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
Through the investigation, it transpired | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
that the landlord for that property and the owner of that property | 0:41:18 | 0:41:22 | |
was, in fact, her husband. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:24 | |
Over the course of nine years, | 0:41:24 | 0:41:26 | |
Angella Brown fraudulently claimed more than £43,000 in benefits, | 0:41:26 | 0:41:31 | |
as well as obtaining a council flat. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:33 | |
But she wasn't even living at the property she'd been allocated. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
She was, in fact, unlawfully subletting it to someone else, | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
while still living with her husband. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
Subletting is a real issue for you guys. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:47 | |
It's one of the worst things you can do with a property | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
that's been given to you. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:51 | |
You've been given that property because you need somewhere to live. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
You've not been given that property to then hand it out | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
to somebody else and make your own income out of it. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
Bank records revealed that the money Angella Brown made went towards | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
not just a top-of-the-range car, but also school fees | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
to provide one of her children with a private education. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
It is a shocking thing when you see | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
that somebody has got a comfortable lifestyle, shall we say, | 0:42:12 | 0:42:16 | |
and there's no need for them to do it. It is pure greed. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:20 | |
How would you describe Angella Brown? | 0:42:20 | 0:42:22 | |
I would say that Angella Brown is a cut above your normal tenancy cheat. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:29 | |
She's got a substantial income, more than most people I know, | 0:42:29 | 0:42:33 | |
more than I would ever, ever imagine myself earning. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:37 | |
But she still feels that she's entitled to have a council property | 0:42:37 | 0:42:42 | |
and the only reason that I think that she thinks like that | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
is because it's a source of income. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
On 22nd September, 2010, | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
Croydon's head of anti-fraud, David Hogan, invited Angella Brown | 0:42:52 | 0:42:56 | |
to Croydon's council offices for an interview under caution. | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
How we see it is, we're giving people a chance to come clean, | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
we're giving them a chance to come honest. It's really their choice | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
as to whether they continue to tell lie upon lie | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 | |
or whether they realise that they have been caught | 0:43:10 | 0:43:12 | |
and they're going to actually finally start telling the truth. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
The audio recording of Angella Brown's interview under caution | 0:43:15 | 0:43:19 | |
provides a window into the world of a fraudster. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:23 | |
Let me just play a bit of the actual cassette tape for you | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
and you can hear her. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:27 | |
Investigators had done their homework. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
They had evidence, including Land Registry documents | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
and a mortgage application, | 0:43:41 | 0:43:43 | |
which proved that Angella Brown had purchased a property in 2003. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:47 | |
But, in her interview, Angella Brown uses her child | 0:43:47 | 0:43:51 | |
in an effort to distance herself from the purchase. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:54 | |
It is amazing actually listening to Angella Brown talking there, | 0:44:24 | 0:44:29 | |
because she's really trying to come across | 0:44:29 | 0:44:32 | |
as if she's done absolutely nothing wrong. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:34 | |
I think what strikes me here is she's actually using her children | 0:44:34 | 0:44:38 | |
-to, if you like, create a defence for her own actions. -Yeah. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:41 | |
The interviewer wants to see what Angella Brown is going to say. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:44 | |
Is she going to tell the truth or is she going to tell further lies | 0:44:44 | 0:44:47 | |
-to compound the ones she's already started? -That's it, yeah. | 0:44:47 | 0:44:51 | |
Next, investigators quiz Angella Brown on her child's private education. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:56 | |
Having already contacted the school, | 0:44:56 | 0:44:58 | |
they know she was paying the fees herself. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
But in the interview, she, again, had a different story. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:05 | |
So, again, straightaway, when questioned on the private school, | 0:45:21 | 0:45:26 | |
she's come up with an excuse - the grandmother. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:30 | |
And she's coming up with a version of events which, on the surface, | 0:45:30 | 0:45:34 | |
might appear reasonable, had we not already gone further | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
and discovered how the fees WERE being paid at that school. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:39 | |
We were one step ahead of her all the way through this interview. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:42 | |
Angella Brown decided to stick to her lies | 0:45:42 | 0:45:45 | |
and Croydon Council decided to prosecute. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
It would be down to a jury to decide the outcome. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:51 | |
So, what's going through your mind just before the verdict? | 0:45:51 | 0:45:55 | |
We're there, on the outside, just wondering, | 0:45:55 | 0:45:59 | |
"What are these 12 men and women going to think | 0:45:59 | 0:46:03 | |
"and are they going to reach the right conclusion?" | 0:46:03 | 0:46:05 | |
At Croydon Crown Court on November 7th, 2014, | 0:46:06 | 0:46:10 | |
a jury found Angella Brown guilty | 0:46:10 | 0:46:12 | |
of eight charges of dishonestly making a false representation | 0:46:12 | 0:46:16 | |
and one of obtaining property by deception. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:19 | |
Brown was sentenced to 12 months' imprisonment. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:22 | |
The property she fraudulently obtained could now be offered | 0:46:24 | 0:46:28 | |
to a family in genuine need. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:30 | |
And there was a positive outcome with this case, wasn't there? | 0:46:30 | 0:46:33 | |
Yeah, I mean, in many ways, there were positive outcomes, | 0:46:33 | 0:46:37 | |
both in the fact that we were able to deal with Angella Brown, | 0:46:37 | 0:46:40 | |
but by getting the property back, | 0:46:40 | 0:46:42 | |
we were able to put a deserving tenant in there. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:44 | |
That property is occupied now by people, | 0:46:44 | 0:46:46 | |
it's going to change their lives | 0:46:46 | 0:46:48 | |
and if it sends them on their way to success, | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
then, you know, we've done incredibly well. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:54 | |
Back in the London Borough of Tower Hamlets, | 0:47:01 | 0:47:03 | |
Shannon and her boyfriend Nayim thought they'd found a place | 0:47:03 | 0:47:06 | |
to call home, but a few months after moving in, | 0:47:06 | 0:47:09 | |
they discovered they'd been conned. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:11 | |
The flat they'd been renting was a social housing property | 0:47:12 | 0:47:15 | |
and the tenant, Kibria Ahmed, was committing fraud by subletting it. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:20 | |
With their help, fraud investigator Avril Drummond is trying | 0:47:20 | 0:47:24 | |
to track down her tenant. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:26 | |
Hello, thank you for seeing me again today. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:31 | |
Obviously, we're now waiting for your landlord to turn up, OK? | 0:47:31 | 0:47:34 | |
So we'll just play it by ear when he gets here. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
We've got the police on standby and they're in the locality as well, OK? | 0:47:37 | 0:47:41 | |
Eventually, a man turns up. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
But it's not Mr Ahmed. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:50 | |
Avril calls the police in and he is arrested, questioned, | 0:47:50 | 0:47:54 | |
but later released without charge. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:56 | |
The next morning, Avril briefs fellow investigator Mike Frost | 0:47:59 | 0:48:03 | |
about the previous day's events. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:05 | |
We asked him about Mr Ahmed. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:07 | |
He said, as a friend, he was helping Mr Ahmed, but he only | 0:48:07 | 0:48:10 | |
posed as the landlord. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:13 | |
He took the £800 a month and gave it to his friend. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:16 | |
He said, "I'm not taking any money for myself." | 0:48:16 | 0:48:18 | |
That's kind of him, isn't it? | 0:48:18 | 0:48:20 | |
The rent Kibria Ahmed was paying to Poplar Harca was just £292 a month. | 0:48:20 | 0:48:26 | |
Avril and Mike are more determined than ever to track him down | 0:48:26 | 0:48:29 | |
and bring him to justice. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:32 | |
They get a tip-off that he's in the area and then they spot his car. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:35 | |
-Eh? -As in Kibria? Possibly? | 0:48:38 | 0:48:42 | |
I need to speak to you, please. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:45 | |
Sorry? I'm from Poplar Harca. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:47 | |
-He saw... -Can you open the door, please, sir? | 0:48:49 | 0:48:52 | |
I'm Michael Frost from the fraud investigation team. Are you Kibria? | 0:48:54 | 0:48:58 | |
His identity is confirmed and Avril calls the police. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:01 | |
And Kibria Ahmed, in the hooded coat, | 0:49:01 | 0:49:04 | |
is handcuffed and led away for questioning. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:07 | |
They are searching his vehicle at the moment, which he said was a gift | 0:49:07 | 0:49:10 | |
from his mother, so we'll wait and see if they uncover any evidence from there. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:15 | |
It's now more than 12 months since his arrest, | 0:49:20 | 0:49:24 | |
and Kibria Ahmed is about to face justice at Basildon Crown Court. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:28 | |
I feel justified in bringing the case to court. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:32 | |
I think too many people believe social housing fraud is not a big deal | 0:49:32 | 0:49:37 | |
and it doesn't really matter, but I think we've got to start sending | 0:49:37 | 0:49:40 | |
that message out that we are taking things seriously. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:43 | |
On January the 19th, 2017, | 0:49:43 | 0:49:46 | |
30-year-old Kibria Ahmed pleaded guilty to two counts of fraud, | 0:49:46 | 0:49:51 | |
including unlawful subletting contrary to the | 0:49:51 | 0:49:53 | |
Prevention of Social Housing Tenancy Fraud Act. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:56 | |
That's the first criminal case that Poplar Harca have brought | 0:49:56 | 0:50:00 | |
for tenancy fraud, so it was quite a big case for us. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:02 | |
Kibria Ahmed did his best to avoid our cameras | 0:50:02 | 0:50:06 | |
but he couldn't avoid justice. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:09 | |
He was given a 12-month prison sentence, | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
suspended for two years, and was ordered | 0:50:12 | 0:50:14 | |
to carry out 120 hours' unpaid work | 0:50:14 | 0:50:16 | |
in the community. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:18 | |
I'm really happy and satisfied with the proceedings today. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:22 | |
I'm happy with the result we've got for Poplar Harca and getting | 0:50:22 | 0:50:27 | |
the message out that tenancy fraud is not going to be tolerated. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:30 | |
We'll tackle it head on and we're going to bring prosecutions | 0:50:30 | 0:50:34 | |
like this in the future. | 0:50:34 | 0:50:36 | |
After the hearing, as Kibria Ahmed made a run for it, | 0:50:36 | 0:50:40 | |
not everyone seemed entirely happy with the proceedings. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:43 | |
INDISTINCT SHOUTING | 0:50:43 | 0:50:46 | |
As for Shannon and Nayim, the innocent victims who were | 0:50:49 | 0:50:53 | |
tricked into subletting Kibria Ahmed's social housing flat, | 0:50:53 | 0:50:57 | |
they had no choice but to move out and are now flat hunting again. | 0:50:57 | 0:51:01 | |
I really miss this place. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:03 | |
We got engaged there. He proposed to me there. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:05 | |
On Christmas Day. We've got so many memories in this place. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:09 | |
Our friends coming round, my family coming here. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:12 | |
-Yeah, it was... -It's horrible. It's all just been taken away. | 0:51:12 | 0:51:16 | |
The house that we've made a home, built up, just gone. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:20 | |
Everything gone. And now we are back to square one. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:23 | |
Tenancy fraud is never a victimless crime. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:32 | |
There's always a financial cost and a very human cost to pay. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:36 | |
But thanks to the tireless work of housing fraud investigators across | 0:51:36 | 0:51:39 | |
the UK, those who are cheating the system are being tracked down | 0:51:39 | 0:51:43 | |
and their properties are being reclaimed and re-let. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:47 | |
Since 2014, in the East End of London, | 0:51:49 | 0:51:52 | |
Tower Hamlets Council has successfully recovered 134 properties as a result | 0:51:52 | 0:51:57 | |
of fraud-related investigations. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:00 | |
Are you going to go back on the slide? | 0:52:00 | 0:52:03 | |
Amy Sictorness and her daughter Lucia were on the social housing waiting list | 0:52:03 | 0:52:07 | |
for three years and applied for more than 200 properties before finally | 0:52:07 | 0:52:12 | |
getting a two-bedroom flat. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:14 | |
KNOCKING | 0:52:14 | 0:52:17 | |
-Nearly there. -Yeah. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:21 | |
Hi, Amy, nice to meet you. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:24 | |
-This is Lucia. -Hi, Lucia. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:26 | |
-Say hello. -Hi! | 0:52:26 | 0:52:28 | |
So, what have we got here then? | 0:52:28 | 0:52:30 | |
So, this is my two-bedroom flat. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:32 | |
In here, this is the living room. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:33 | |
It's nice and bright and big, isn't it? | 0:52:33 | 0:52:35 | |
It is a really nice size. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:37 | |
So, tell me about your situation before you moved into this property. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:40 | |
-Where were you living? -I was just living over the road with my mum in | 0:52:40 | 0:52:43 | |
another two-bedroom flat, my mum and my twin sister. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:46 | |
And, obviously, me and my twin, we shared a room. | 0:52:46 | 0:52:49 | |
Amy desperately needed a place of her own, | 0:52:49 | 0:52:52 | |
but she had no choice but to wait. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:54 | |
Just one room, you've got the baby's cot in there, obviously, | 0:52:56 | 0:53:00 | |
mine and my sister's bed, all the baby's stuff. | 0:53:00 | 0:53:02 | |
It's funny, because one little person just takes up so much room. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:05 | |
It's mad. It's very overcrowded and I think it must have been very stressful for my sister as well. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:10 | |
A privately-rented two-bedroom flat in this area can cost over £2,200 | 0:53:10 | 0:53:15 | |
per month, well beyond Amy's price range. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:18 | |
Reluctantly, she turned to the council for help. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:21 | |
I went down to the council and put my name on their housing list. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:25 | |
And I was bidding for about three, four years. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:29 | |
Three or four years? | 0:53:29 | 0:53:31 | |
Yeah, I bid on over 200 places before I got to view this one. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:35 | |
Did you lose heart at any point? | 0:53:35 | 0:53:37 | |
I did get to view some properties and that, | 0:53:37 | 0:53:39 | |
but obviously people was always in front of me. | 0:53:39 | 0:53:41 | |
And obviously they accepted it. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:43 | |
And every time I'd feel gutted. | 0:53:43 | 0:53:45 | |
I'd be the third person that gets refusal on it | 0:53:45 | 0:53:47 | |
and I'd get to go and view the properties and you just stand there | 0:53:47 | 0:53:50 | |
thinking, "Please don't accept it, please don't accept it, | 0:53:50 | 0:53:52 | |
"so I can have it." And then I'd walk home, I'd ring my mum and I'd cry. | 0:53:52 | 0:53:55 | |
I'd be like, "I didn't get it again." | 0:53:55 | 0:53:57 | |
For Amy's mum, Julie, it was also crucial that her daughter | 0:53:57 | 0:54:01 | |
and granddaughter were able to live close by. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:04 | |
How would you have felt if, you know, | 0:54:04 | 0:54:06 | |
Amy had been given a property or offered a property that wasn't so close to you? | 0:54:06 | 0:54:10 | |
That, actually, would have upset me because, you know, | 0:54:10 | 0:54:14 | |
we've always been close | 0:54:14 | 0:54:15 | |
and from when Lucia was born they was living with me, | 0:54:15 | 0:54:18 | |
so I'd got to see her first, you know, steps kind of thing, | 0:54:18 | 0:54:22 | |
and then for her to have sort of moved out... | 0:54:22 | 0:54:25 | |
I would have been concerned about her because, you know, | 0:54:25 | 0:54:27 | |
I'm on hand if anything happens. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:30 | |
You know, I'm always sort of, I can be, you know, | 0:54:30 | 0:54:32 | |
I can be there in five minutes kind of thing. | 0:54:32 | 0:54:34 | |
If she was living out of the borough with no family, you know, | 0:54:34 | 0:54:38 | |
what would she do? | 0:54:38 | 0:54:39 | |
What would she do being on her own? | 0:54:39 | 0:54:41 | |
But in November 2015, Tower Hamlets Council held an amnesty to encourage tenancy cheats to hand | 0:54:42 | 0:54:48 | |
back keys without consequence or risk of court action. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:52 | |
They got back properties worth £13 million. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:55 | |
Amy's was one of the first flats they recovered. | 0:54:55 | 0:54:58 | |
I couldn't have been happier, especially just when it said a two-bedroom as well. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:04 | |
I thought all my Christmases had come at once. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:07 | |
The fact that I did get it just shows me that there is hope | 0:55:07 | 0:55:09 | |
because there's a lot of people that's in the same situation that I was | 0:55:09 | 0:55:13 | |
and obviously losing hope and that sort of thing is horrible, so, | 0:55:13 | 0:55:17 | |
just fingers crossed they carry on with what they're doing and other | 0:55:17 | 0:55:20 | |
people do get offered properties like this as well. | 0:55:20 | 0:55:22 | |
When Amy got the letter for this property, how did you feel? | 0:55:22 | 0:55:27 | |
Could not believe it. Really excited. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:29 | |
Really, you know, never wanted her to leave home kind of thing, | 0:55:29 | 0:55:33 | |
but so excited that she had got her own home and the fact that it was so close. | 0:55:33 | 0:55:38 | |
Amy's family have been in the area for generations | 0:55:38 | 0:55:41 | |
and bringing up a young child, it's important for her to have a support | 0:55:41 | 0:55:45 | |
network close by. But this isn't always possible. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:48 | |
The number of homeless families being relocated outside London has | 0:55:48 | 0:55:52 | |
increased fivefold in the last decade. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:54 | |
And now you've got your own place, | 0:55:55 | 0:55:58 | |
what difference has this place made to your life? | 0:55:58 | 0:56:02 | |
Well, obviously, it's just over the road from my mum, | 0:56:02 | 0:56:04 | |
I've got a lot of support, it's just over the road from my mum's sister. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:07 | |
I've always grown up in Bethnal Green. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:08 | |
My mum, even like my nan and my grandad, | 0:56:08 | 0:56:11 | |
their nans and grandads, we've all been born and bred in Bethnal Green. | 0:56:11 | 0:56:14 | |
So, it's all we know. So if I would have had to have moved out, | 0:56:14 | 0:56:17 | |
I would have been lost. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:19 | |
So, that's why this area, in terms of finding a suitable council property, | 0:56:19 | 0:56:23 | |
-is so important to you? -Yeah, definitely. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:25 | |
Even when Lucia goes to nursery, my mum will be able to help | 0:56:25 | 0:56:29 | |
because obviously then I'll go back to work. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:31 | |
I worked right up until three weeks before I had Lucia. | 0:56:31 | 0:56:33 | |
So once Lucia's two, she'll go to nursery and I'll definitely get | 0:56:33 | 0:56:36 | |
myself back into work. | 0:56:36 | 0:56:37 | |
And is that something that when you got this property, you were thinking, | 0:56:37 | 0:56:40 | |
"Yes, now this gives me a base in order to kind of carry on | 0:56:40 | 0:56:43 | |
"with my future and, you know, think about those types of things?" | 0:56:43 | 0:56:45 | |
Yeah, definitely. When obviously, like, I started a family sort of thing, | 0:56:45 | 0:56:49 | |
you do think about, obviously, once she grows up, she goes to school, | 0:56:49 | 0:56:52 | |
you go out to work in the morning and that sort of thing, like, | 0:56:52 | 0:56:54 | |
how am I going to do all that happily from one room in my mum's? | 0:56:54 | 0:56:57 | |
Do you know what I mean? It's nice to have your own house. | 0:56:57 | 0:57:01 | |
It's all about growing up in a way, ain't it? | 0:57:01 | 0:57:03 | |
With her family supporting her, | 0:57:04 | 0:57:06 | |
Amy's looking to return to work as soon as possible. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:09 | |
Amy's story shows how social housing can have a real, positive impact, | 0:57:12 | 0:57:17 | |
not just on individuals, but on entire families. | 0:57:17 | 0:57:20 | |
And it's stories like this that motivate housing investigators | 0:57:20 | 0:57:23 | |
as they continue in their fight to crack down on tenancy fraud. | 0:57:23 | 0:57:28 |