Episode 18 Crimewatch Roadshow

On today's Crimewatch Roadshow, the scam turning a visit to the

supermarket into a nightmare. There are cases reported every week. Help

us catch one of the gangs Welcome to this morning's programme.

We have got a packed show for you, but we won't catch any crooks

without your help. Coming up today: A school left in ashes. Police need

to know who started the fire. Metal thieves are ripping community

halls and churches to pieces. We are out with the police trying to

crack down on one of the biggest crimes of our times.

And who is looking over your shoulder when you use your PIN

number? Can you really keep it safe?

Today we have moved into a new country. We are heading into Wales

where we are hooking up with Gwent and South Wales forces. We' are

starting right on the border. Miriam O'Reilly is in Chepstow. So

Miriam, are you actually in England or Wales there?

You can see Chepstow Castle over there. That is in Wales. Behind me,

the River Wye marks the border between these two countries. So,

technically speaking we are in England. But for our last three

days on-air, we are working alongside two Welsh police forces.

Now, on to our first appeal. This crime happened here in Chepstow,

but it is happening in supermarket car parks right across the UK.

It was just the regular weekly shop when Maureen Trip became the latest

victim of this scam plaguing the country. I had just finished work,

went to my local Tesco's to do shopping. I walked round, bought

all my bits and pieces, went to the checkout, paid, then went out to

the car park, unloaded my trolley, put the trolley back in the trolley

As I went back to the car, a chap approached me and asked me for

directions. Excuse me, can you show me how to

get to Leysester. He wanted Leicester. He pronounced

it Leysester. Do you mean Leicester?

Yes, Leysester. He got out a map and spread it over

the back window. So we were looking and I was showing him the way. I am

possibly the worst person to ask for directions. And I had to

explain to him several times how to get there and I thought, he has got

a map, why doesn't he use the map? Thank you, thank you. I drove out

of the car park. As I was driving out of the car park, I noticed a

black BMW a couple of cars in front of me turn left into the staff car

park. I was aware that the chap in the back seat leaned forward and

looked right at me. It was the man that asked me for directions. I

thought they wanted to go to Leicester, what are they doing in

the staff car park? Anyway, I didn't think any more of it. I went

home. Later on that evening my husband was checking online our

bank account. Did you draw �300 out of your

account today at Tesco's? No, why would I?

Well, somebody has. Better check your purse. My card has gone.

My card had gone. But how does this scam work? How was Maureen's card

and PIN number taken? While I was talking to the chap trying to

explain directions to him, he looked over my shoulder a couple of

times behind me and I thought, what's he looking at? I turned

round once and looked and I was aware there was a lady. I did not

think much of it at the time, then I thought afterwards maybe he

distracted me and she was the one that actually went round the

passenger side and got in the car. Because of the way I was stood, I

couldn't see inside the car. I didn't hear anybody open the door.

The criminals then used the card at the nearest cash machine to

withdraw money. I have thought quite a lot about it since the

episode and I can't understand how they managed to get my PIN number.

I was in the queue on my own. There was nobody behind me. There was

nobody at the checkout next to me. It has been suggested to me people

could have used their mobile phone and taken a quick shot of me. It's

not unusual these days for people to be carrying their mobile phones

round supermarkets. We are naturally concerned about this

emerging crime pattern. We would like to stress this isn't confined

to Chepstow. It is actually a nationwide problem. We ask people

to be guarded when using cash cards, chip and PIN devices and cashpoint

machines, to make sure nobody is standing close by that could read

their number. I was quite shocked afterwards. I felt a bit silly.

They are obviously very clever people that worked it all out very

well because I was totally unaware of what was going on, but I will be

now. We would ask people, no matter how

small or insignificant they think any information they have is, to

contact us. By withdrawing cash and buying items online, the gang

managed to fleece Maureen out of �500. But it could have been so

much worse. Maureen Trip, the victim of that crime is with me.

You felt uncomfortable when it was going on, it was only later when

you check your account that he knew that money was gone. Why did you

feel uncomfortable? Well, as he asked me for directions but he had

a map, which seemed strange. He kept glancing over my shoulder, it

seemed a bit odd. His behaviour was on. What was his description

because you remember him clearly? would say he was Mediterranean,

dart here, a fairly small and slim, 5 ft 8, jeans, white shirt and

jacket. You're very careful with your PIN number. They got hold of

it somehow. I do not know how, but I now have the PIN number all the

time without fail. All of this week we are joined by Louise Elliott

from BBC Wales. She is with the investigating officer. Thank you,

Inspector Mike Boycott, the figures on these crimes are incredible. For

every day of the year, �1 million is stolen in card fraud. What are

you doing about it? Incidents of this right -- incidents of this

nature are very rare in Gwent, but anyone who notices any and usual

activity on their card should reported to the police.

understand you have CCTV stills of the gang members? Yes, we're very

keen to trace this individual, because we know he used the stolen

car at the cash. To obtain money. If anyone knows where he is, we

would ask you to contact us straightaway. How can we protect

ourselves? Maureen made the point that she had no idea she was being

watched when she was putting in her PIN number? It is very important

that anyone who is using a card at a cashpoint or cash machine become

aware of people around them. They should protect their PIN number by

shielding it with their hands or their body and make sure that

nobody sees the PIN number going in. If they see anything unusual, they

should report it to the police straight away. Thank you, Inspector,

the numbers are on our screens. Overnight to Rav with our Wanted

Faces today. Let's take a look at who we have

got for you today. Do you recognise this man, Ronald Brian Grimes? He

was convicted of robbery and assault in May 2004 and jailed for

seven and a half years. But when he was released early on licence he

failed to keep to his conditions and is now wanted back in jail.

Grimes has a Liverpudlian accent and scars on his left arm. He also

has Chinese letter tattoos on both arms. Have you seen him recently?

If so, please let us know. And take a look at this man. 67-

year-old Peter Miveld is wanted by police in connection with a large

scale money laundering operation, linked to the sale of controlled

drugs. He has connections to Merseyside as well as Cyprus and

Spain. He has tattoos on his arms of an eagle and a sacred heart with

the words "mum and dad". Do you know where he is now? If so, give

us a call. Do you know this man? Balkar Singh Dhesi. Police in

Leicestershire want to talk to him about a money laundering case

involving over �200,000. He is known to have connections to the

London and Leicester areas and police want your help to track him

down. And if you know where this man is, Terence McGinley, then

please don't approach him. If he is believed to be violent. He is

wanted on a European arrest warrant in connection with two charges of

conspiracy to blackmail. McGinley is a member of the travelling

community, and has a southern Irish accent. He sports a number of scars

on the left side of his face, right eyebrow, nose and right wrist. Do

you know where he is? If you recognise any of these faces, the

number to call is 08000 468 999. Or text us on 63399. Text CW, space

and then your message. Please leave the space or your message will not

get through. Or email us. Do not forget, all the Wanted Faces from

the series are on our website. Now, we are in the area covered by

South Wales and Gwent forces for the rest of the week. Here's Louise

with a look at the challenges local police face.

Cross the Severn Bridges and you are into the busiest part of Wales.

As you travel down the M4, Gwent and then South Wales Police are the

forces keeping an eye on things. Between them, they cover around

two-thirds of the entire population of Wales. So that means that they

share resources, including this state-of-the-art helicopter. With

its combination of cutting edge technology and highly-trained crew,

the helicopter is invaluable when it comes to tracking down missing

people, fugitives and drug runners. Listen up, listen up!

The unique thing about Wales is we have a helicopter that we share

with South Wales Police. The teams come from South Wales and Gwent

Police so the officers that are on that team understand the policing

dynamics of both force areas. South Wales has a strong history of

industry and farming, and is made up of ex-mining towns, rural

villages and coastal cities. The vast majority of the crime in the

Gwent and South Wales areas happens in the big urban centres. That is

Newport, Swansea and right here in Cardiff. Chief Constable Peter

Vaughan is the man in charge of the challenges facing South Wales

Police. Last year we dealt with almost an

incident every minute of every day. We have got a proud tradition of

driving crime down within the area, dealing with major events. We

anticipate the demand for policing major events is going to go up with

Swansea going into the Premiership. Apologies to anyone from Reading

who is watching this! With 186 events to police last year,

and over 12 million visitors to the capital, it is an ongoing challenge

because not all these visitors are welcome. Organised crime groups are

trying to get a foothold within Cardiff and Swansea. And the valley

communities and other city centres and town centres. Go! Police!

disruptive influence that drug misuse can have on our communities

is all too apparent. Police! Anyone here? The officers

have gone upstairs to see if the suspect they want is up there.

In neighbouring Gwent, Chief Constable Carmel Napier has to

constantly juggle which crimes to prioritise. We have seen more

property-related crime. We have actually targeted our specialist

resources working closely with neighbouring policing teams and

local authority resources to both reduce them and to capture the

baddies that are doing it. Well, we are now following the police

support group to the first of two addresses where officers believe

there could be suspects involved in metal theft. We will be asking for

your help with these and other unsolved crimes. �10,000 has just

vanished. We may never get these things back again. Let's bring the

criminals to justice. I couldn't think straight. I was just scared

The rest of the week will be very busy. Let's start by taking a look

at this. An air rifle and in a few moments these people from the

special search unit will have to find it from in there, the River

Wye. Turnaround, we don't want you to see where we throw it. No

cheating. Are you all said? Off you go, throw it in. There we are. In

the River Wye. You might have noticed there was a wire attached.

That is in case these get called away and we can retrieve the gun

from the river. Get to work. Sergeant Peter Allan, you run this

team. Tell us about the conditions the officers face.

Primary problems are the flow of the outgoing tides. Three hours

after high tide. Battling the flow. Poor visibility. Down to about one

inch in front of their face. Thick sludge mud. I think we can get an

idea from some pictures of the kind of conditions Basie. Literally they

cannot see their hands in front of their face. Nothing. The mud, how

deep would that be? It looks very sticky.

It is between 6 ft and 10 ft deep. You would be engulfed. Explain

about how the officers undertake research. The visit lability is bad,

the tide is flowing, it sounds like searching for a needle in a

haystack -- visibility. There are several sorts of search parties we

can use. It involves weighted lines which we late in a grid system, a

bit like an underwater archaeological search. What kind of

things are they trained to a church -- search for? Stolen property,

firearms, body recovery, counter- terrorist searches. Is there a risk

to the officers in going into situations like this? Certainly

there is a risk assessment which has to be done. Diving has it and

problems. It is dangerous. Her one of your officers said if it is in

there to be found, I will find it. Fingers crossed. I wish you and

your team the best of luck. There are preparing to go in.

I hope they find it. Still to come, when a building is wrecked as badly

as this it means thieves are after only one thing, Merkel. And when

fire gutted this primary school it ripped the heart out of a community.

Bash metal. We need your help to catch those responsible.

We have been getting some great called and information. We still

need more help. Take a good look at this latest batch of CCTV.

It is the early hours of March 6th in his Notting Hill nightclub in

London. Most of the revellers are starting to call it a night that

keep an eye on the guy in the light coloured shirt and tie. He is

having a chat with the man in the suit jacket but things turn nasty

and he decides to smash an ice bucket into the other man's face.

The attacker is ushered out by his friends while his victim seeks

medical treatment. Let's put his thuggery on ice. Let us know who he

It is a quiet night for staff at this Bromwich bookmakers in January.

But the peace is shattered when two men barge in brandishing a gun.

They are wearing hoods and their faces are covered. They point the

gun through the security screen and demand to be letting to the counter

area. The quick thinking staff run into the bark of the shop forcing

the robbers to give up and leave. Help the police probe the Booker

them and tell us who they are. -- throw the book at them. It is

February and these teenagers are having a chat in London. But the

mood changes when the guy in the white jumper turned up. There seems

to be an argument before he punches one of the youths so hard he is

sent crashing to the ground smashing his head on a door. Help

us stop this violent thud doing this to somebody else.

A bonus if you know anything about If you want to be anonymous you can

phone Crimestoppers. Back to marry him in Chepstow.

The tension is building -- marry him. The police dive team are

getting into the water to retrieve that gun. The conditions are really

difficult. Lots of sticky mud. We will tell you more about how they

get on later. As they are preparing let go over to Lee Rees because she

has news of a crime that is costing the country �770 million every year

-- Louise. The aftermath of a break-in. Chaos,

heartbreak and despair. And here at the building has been ripped to

pieces. But why? What were they after? At first it looks as if

nothing had happened. He walked in the main room, noticed a copper

piping had gone. We went from there to the second floor, all the

radiators had been pulled off the wall and every carpet removed. The

top Broomes, they had pulled the ceiling down and all they have

taken his copper. All the devastation had been duped to this.

Metal theft is a growing crime wave. The thieves don't care what effect

their actions have on a community. Just ask the people of Fleur-De-Lys.

The effect they made for groups that use the miners' Institute, it

is devastating. It is something they have taken away. We set up a

group, ex-miners and miners' wives and widows and it has proved to be

popular. The venue is crucial to the group continuing and the ladies

and meant that come here like the fact they meet in a mine as well,

it is significant. A great shame. - - miners' hall. To combat medal

that went police are staging special operations and they have

got we criminals in their site -- Gwent police. 20 metal thefts

An early-morning raid on a scrap metal dealers caused a result. A

quantity of stolen lead. Two suspects are taken away. But that

is not the end of it because police had new technology at their

disposal which may prove where the metal it originated.

More on that technology later. Throughout this series we have been

showing you criminals caught on camera. It is estimated there are 2

million CCTV cameras in the UK. DCM at Neville has not looked at all of

those himself but he has looked at a lot of images -- Mick Neville.

Are we making the best use of the footage? We are using images like

fingerprint and DNA. We are looking at getting the images, making sure

their protest, identified, making sure criminals are arrested. It is

not a case of how many you have, it is what you do with them. Other

criminals deterred by it? I more and more so. At first it was just

putting the cameras up but now we have got the system so they fear

not just the camera but the getting caught. Even academic research has

shown that prisoners were frightened of the cameras because

they were caught. We know the quality can vary from job to job.

Is that frustrating? Sometimes. But you have to imagine even in a major

crime blurry CCTV can read this to the point where a criminal was and

lead us to taking fingerprints and DNA from that place a week

identified the criminal. Sometimes fears might think it is blurred but

it can still solve cases. What makes you unit special. The idea we

treat it as forensic imagery, a proper circulation of images and,

even to the media. And when it is identified we sent a senior

reporter to make sure the criminals are arrested. That is the real

difference. You have got to images you want to appeal for today.

is a burglary of an art gallery in central London. He broke through a

two-door cast box in April. Made off on a bicycle. We know that is

serious enough. People are concerned about burglaries of homes.

50% of people who burgle office blocks have convictions for

burgling houses to getting these identified is important. Another

one. This shows how we have developed not just CCTV but

forensic images. He possibly has died in his own mugshot. This is a

crime in Greenwich in January. A man was threatened, told if you

don't hand over your life then you will be stabbed. -- iPhone. We

believe he has taken his own mugshot. We are keen to get him

identified. Cameras all around us. They can do their bit if you catch

-- tackle crime. Yesterday we asked for information

on this guy, Robert Kerr who picks on Christians and takes their money.

We have had one of the biggest responses were 30 calls common

texts, and the mouse. -- with over 30 calls, text messages, and e-

mails. We told you that there guy he stole

PIN numbers from NHS staff. More of you have called in believing you

may have fallen victim to the same scam.

Good information on a wanted face, Patrick Paul Hull,, who featured

last week who breach the terms of his early release -- Patrick called

Ocana. -- Patrick Paul O'Connor.

At the beginning of the mind of fire ripped through a school in

Chepstow causing devastation. Within hours of the fire starting

Crimewatch Roadshow learnt it was a possible arson and our cameras were

The noise, the smell, it was horrific. It was heartbreaking.

Three weeks ago the community of Bullwork in Chepstow work to Friday

scene of devastation. Large parts of Thorn will primary school had

been burnt to the ground. I had a teller for current -- telephone

call at 145 am which is quite alarming because you think

something is wrong. It was my caretaker informing me he had had a

call informing him the school was on fire. I was stunned. I do have -

- drove here as quickly as I could to be greeted by flames, smoke, six

fire tenders, and chaos. It was well established by the time we got

here. Most people in the vicinity were asleep. It is basically the

noise which goes with a fire, or waiting until people have woken up,

The bricks and mortar can be replaced. What cannot be replaced

on memories, history, and heritage. It took 45 officers more than four

hours to get the flames under control. Were there arrived about

30% of it was engulfed in flames and our priority was realising that

that blog was written off, to be it the other buildings within the

school complex to make sure they went damage. The blaze destroyed

the entire nursery unit and infant school costing hundreds and

thousands of pounds. Unfortunately the Playhouse has caught fire. It

has caught fire to the wooden structure and hence to see the

damage. You note youths congregate in that area. They also used tea

lights. This may well have been a cause of the fire. According to the

mud of recklessness involved we are treating it as arson. -- the amount.

The impact on the community has been massive. It looked like a bomb

had gone off. We were absolutely gutted. It was awful. I did break a

tear. The children's work has gone and all the things. Not very nice.

You have to explain to them all the staff has been bed and it is gone

and they are not getting it back. It is not their fault but you

cannot easily explain it to a There is one person in particular

that officers are keen to track down. The description we have got

is basically a male person, wearing a grey hooded top who was seen

running from the area. It may well have been an accident, but somebody

somewhere knows who is responsible and we need that person to come

forward, or persons who are involved in it and I would urge you

to come forward. The thought that perhaps it could be somebody within

the community who possibly at some point in the past had attended this

school makes what has happened even harder to come to terms with.

Graeme Smith is from South Wales Fire and Rescue Service. Let's be

clear right away, you believe that this fire was our son but you do

not think it was started deliberately? The conclusion of our

investigation team was a group of young people were using the Wendy

house attached to the building as an illicit drinking den, and

perhaps use some candles to eliminate that particular area.

Then under the influence of alcohol they have not put the candlelight

and it has spread to the Wendy house. Candles like this, most of

us use them in the garden during the summer. The danger is when you

leave them. But basically this was teenagers having a party? Yes, and

something as innocuous as that candle can cause devastation.

were two school fires in Wales yesterday. How many nationally

every day across the UK? There were three yesterday. We had two last

night so we have had our share of that ratio. How much does it cost?

In the UK, the cost of our son is around the 6 billion mark. That is

the overall economic cost, loss of production for businesses,

disruption to schools, overall about 6 billion. Thank you very

much. If you know anything about the fire at Thornwell School,

please get in touch. Time for a quick look at some more criminals

caught on CCTV. Take a look at this health-

conscious shoplifter as he strolls into this London health food shop

in July and has a look at the products on offer. But then he

picks up a box from the top shelf. Then another, and places them on a

different shelf. Then when he thinks the coast is clear, he picks

the contents in his jacket before having to take a phone call and

walking out. The cameras caught him in the act. Let's help the police

catch him. Carlos with his name. -- it tell us his name. This is one

determined bike thief. He sets about this bike near the Elephant

and Castle in London last year. But the bike owners bought him and

chases him off. Or does he, a few minutes later and he is back for

another go. The owner sees him again and makes a desperate grab

for him, but it is too late, the thief is on his bike. Let's put an

end to his thieving ways. It will this year and it is a busy

day at his central London pub but this man does not seem interested

in the bar. He heads to the tables and settles down, but he is seen

fidgeting. He does the old court over the chair Craik and while it

looks like he is doing so -- looking for something in his own

code, C is rifling through the pockets of the man behind him. Help

us catch him. Give us a call if you know anything

about those images. 08000 468 999. Or text us on 63399. Text CW, space

and then your message. Please leave the space or your message will not

get through. Or email us. [email protected]. Back to Louise.

Earlier we set the South Wales diving team a challenge to find an

air rifle I tossed into the river. How are you getting on? You have

got it? Brilliant, let's see. They will ask one of the men now to

surface. They it is. The air rifle with the diver. Magnificent work,

very well done. They did say that if it was in there to find, they

would find it. You were never in any doubt, were you? No. They are

pretty good. You told us how challenging these waters are, it is

tidal, we have discussed the mudflats, but what are conditions

like under there and how do the officers carry out research? Most

people will be familiar to the line search on land across the grass. It

is similar down there, painstaking, along the bottom, inch by inch.

Today they are using a very tight line, but they could use a weighted

line. What about communication? Today they are using a buddy system.

There is a transponder over the edge and they can speak a diver to

diver and the surface. Here comes the rifle now. Thanks. It is a

needle in a haystack, stuff like this. A lot of training must going

to the officers? That is right, each diver does an eight-week

training course. As you say, it is painstaking, low visibility, and

the conditions make it a difficult job. He has done a grand job. He is

just being hosed down. At any time you can be called out, you're quite

busy? Yes, we look after four forces surrounding South Wales and

we can be called out at any time of the day or night. Thank you,

Sergeant. Now back to the story of metal

theft we featured earlier, and how technology is helping track down

stolen lead and copper. The results of a malicious break-in

at a community centre in the Gwent Valleys. Thieves have ripped out

copper. Scrap metal is worth a lot on the black market. Almost every

day Gwent police are dealing with metal theft. Today they have

launched an operation at a scrap yard near Pontypool where two

suspected thieves are questioned as they try to pass on some stolen

lead. There is a fair bit of lead and it looks like it has come off a

roof. Both are taken into custody. Gwent police are aware of the

effect metal theft has on local communities. It is a crime they

take very seriously. Vans on the way now for those two. When we

arrived here there were a couple of people delivering scrap metal that

looks as though it has been stolen. So they have been arrested and

obviously we have seized quite a large amount of scrap lead this

morning. And in terms of the scrap metal dealer, what part does he

play in your investigations now? are using a new sort of thing at

the moment called SmartWater which shows up on the lead. The main

concern is that he has been using that to check the metals delivered

to him and he seems to be doing everything correctly. This

technology is a significant breakthrough in the detection of

stolen metal. It is a special liquid, detectable under

ultraviolet light, that allows the metal to be traced to its original

owner. There was lead found here today. Yes. And you've had a look

at that. What have you found? have found samples, what appears to

be SmartWater, that had been brushed onto lead which I suppose

has probably come off a roof. that then link the lead that we

find here to the exact roof that it would have come off? Yes, it can.

Under ultraviolet, that is SmartWater. Each bottle has its own

unique chemical combination registered to a particular owner.

It can be used on any type of building, offering reassurance that

if metal is stolen it could be identified and help secure a

prosecution. The lead found on the police raid was traced back to

Pontypool Market. We were told that some lead had been stolen and that

it has been found at the back of a car. We lost about a third of a

tonne of lead overnight which we later found the police have

recovered and have now since given back to us. The technology is so

good and so successful that we've now rolled it out across all the

buildings in the authority. These are tough times for all of us and

that includes the criminals but after what happened here today and

with the rise of innovative technology like SmartWater, police

hope that will send out a message to criminals, hat our homes, our

community centres and our churches will no longer be soft targets for

thieves. -- that our homes. Aron Craven is from SmartWater, the

system used to track down some of the stolen metal we saw in that

report. Stallone metal is not just a problem for companies but

communities as well? -- stolen metal. Yes, there are known to

target utility companies and they take a small amount of metal and

did very little from it. But the impact on communities, you could

lose your broadband or your power. If you had a SmartWater solution on

the gun and that we saw it taken out of the River Wye there, would

you be able to trace it even though it has been taken out of muddy

water? Yes, we have successfully traced items taken from muddy

streams. How do you do it? It is very simple to spot, it glows

bright yellow under ultraviolet light. We send it to our

laboratories and check the result against air database. We can tell

where the need Bacher forensics solutions was registered to. The

police can use it as evidence because it links a criminal to a

specific crime scene. How can you make it so specific? We used a very

clever chemical formal and we have over 1 billion of those at our

disposal. There is an annual subscription for this technology,

but will the criminals not get wise to it? Our clients actively

publicise the fact that the use SmartWater on warning signs at the

site. It raises the fear factor for the offender. Hopefully it will

deter them from targeting our clients' premises. Have you any

evidence that it is? Yes, our clients report significant

reductions in metals that, but where they have been targeted, we

have been able to provide valuable evidence for prosecutions. Just an

update for today, we have had a great response from yesterday. We

had back -- we have had a response on the care home conman who struck

in Gloucestershire. The investigating officer is following

up. We have had information up on a wanted face from yesterday, here he

is. He is wanted it for conspiracy to supply drugs. We have also had

information on this man, who is part of Operation Return. Thank you

to everyone who got in touch. Miriam and Louise, what have you

got lined up for tomorrow? Rav, our all-action last week of the series

continues. We have had divers today and we're meeting up with the

helicops tomorrow. I've been given exclusive access to

the team and some of the footage it takes from hundreds of feet up.

This is the helicopter that covers This is the main piece of equipment

on the aircraft. This is the forward-looking infra red camera.

Take it up, take it up. We have got this eye in the sky which is just

fantastic for us. You get that find that you know no-one would have

found without you. That is extremely rewarding.

And tomorrow, the helicopter should be touching down live on the

programme. That's at Kenfig Nature Reserve which over looks Swansea

Bay. We will see you tomorrow. Thank you, both. For more details

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