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This morning on the Crimewatch Roadshow has. Can you help us catch

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this con woman using a stolen credit card to NT's somebody else's

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bank account of thousands of Welcome to Crimewatch Roadshow. The

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programme that offers you the chance to catch the crooks

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affecting all our lives. We're on the trail of the con artists this

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morning. The confidence tricksters who prey on the vulnerable and the

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naive. We'll hear from the vicar who

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handed over more than �1,000 to a trickster wanted by police all over

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the UK. We've got an update on our

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exclusive investigation into the gang targeting NHS staff.

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And, ever wondered just what those CSI white suits are up to? We've

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got the inside story. Today, we're working with

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Gloucestershire Constabulary, and we've moved on to the village of

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Frampton on Severn, Miriam, it It really is gorgeous here, Rav.

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Where I'm standing is reputed to be the longest village green in

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England. But, as we know by now, even somewhere as peaceful as this

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can be hit by some very distressing crime. We've got the story of how a

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local care home assistant was fleeced by a con man who took her

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bank details and emptied her account. With me again today is the

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BBC's man in Gloucestershire, Steve Knibbs. Steve.

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Thanks, Miriam. You might think this rural part of the world

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doesn't use high tech forensics as much as the big cities. But later

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in the programme, I will be showing you how this, and it looks like a

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strip of cellophane, can help lift Take a good look at this face. This

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is Robert Kerr. On last month's Crimewatch, I asked for your help

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to track him down. He's a con man who rips off Christians with a

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convincing sob story. Let's just remind you what I told you about

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On 10th November 2010, Reverend Alan Neil was preparing his church

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for an Armistice service. The next few days would be memorable, but

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for all the wrong reasons. I saw a man that was looking at our

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notice board on the church, and I Excuse me, are you all right?

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Not really, no, I've just lost my wallet and my ticket and everything,

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and I need to get back to my unit in Ireland, I've got to get up to

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Manchester, I've got no train ticket. I've got no money, I've got

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no food. Despite his dishevelled appearance,

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the man claimed to have a connection to the military in

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Northern Ireland. I've got to get back to my unit,

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otherwise I'm going to be on a charge.

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Oh you're a military man? Well, I would try and help in any

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situation when people come. My faith is very important to me, I've

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always been of that sort of nature. If I could help in any situation, I

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would try and help. And you've got to get from here?

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From here to Manchester, yes, then to Ireland.

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I decided I would give him the money for the fare.

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I think we can possibly help you. Come with me, I think I might be

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able to help you. To get him back to Northern Ireland,

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the reverend gave Kerr �40 for a train ticket to Manchester airport.

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But it was all part of an elaborate con that was only just beginning.

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Hello, is that the reverend there? At 8am in the morning, I had a

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phone call from a voice that said he was a Major in the Armed Forces

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in Ireland. I just wanted to thank you for

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helping our man there, Andrew. Andrew? Yes, that's right, Andrew,

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you helped him. Gave him money for the flight.

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yes. But the phone call was a ruse to

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make the next stage of Kerr's scam seem more believable. It was to

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unfold the next morning. As I came to the church, I saw this

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figure, and immediately I thought, that's the chap I helped yesterday

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that was supposed to be going to Andrew?

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How do you know my name? Someone from the Army phoned here

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last night. He explained to me he had a history

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of diabetes, and he had an attack last night, and he hadn't made the

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train. What are you doing here now?

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He subsequently told me he had been to a B&B in the town. And he only

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had �10 left. So it was back to the cash machine

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for a second time. With the kind hearted reverend believing he was

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helping Kerr back to Northern Ireland with another �40 train

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ticket. But that still wasn't the end of this con.

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I was at home, and I got this phone call.

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Hello, is that the reverend there? It was the voice he had heard the

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previous day, this time telling him that Kerr had missed his plane, and

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would need to catch a special military flight the next day.

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He said: Can you please go to the station and pick this Andrew up.

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I went to the station to pick him up. He was waiting at the station.

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I brought him back home. It was at this point, Kerr made his

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most audacious move. Asking the reverend to lend him �800 for this

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military flight home. As it happened, I had money in the

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house. So, with the money I had in the house, and I also had some

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church money, I was able to sort In the final stage of the scam,

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Kerr claimed he would ensure a courier would bring the reverend

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all the money he was owed. And provided him with a military

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security code to further reassure him. But, like every other part of

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this con, it was a complete fabrication.

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He said: "Write this down." Alpha, Victor, Charlie, one six nine.

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He said: "You have got a security number and name now." You'll need

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that, otherwise he won't give you the money.

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A courier would come and bring me this money, and I had to make sure

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I was in when the courier came. I waited three days, and the

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courier never came. With one final train ticket paid

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for, in total, the reverend gave more than �1,000 to Robert Kerr.

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But it wasn't long before this conman was targeting unsuspecting

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Christians in another part of the country.

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The story of Robert Kerr leads to Gloucestershire later in the

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programme. We almost got him last Time now for a quick look at our

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For this man seemed to be popping it into this pub in London's

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Victoria Station. Once inside it is clear it is not boos he is after as

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it picks up a customer's bag. The pub staff give chase. He end up

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dropping the bag on the concourse. Let us call time on this brief,

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tell us who hears. -- he is. The kick arise honest man

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in a green T-shirt. As he goes about his business

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withdrawing cash, he is surrounded by three men. 1 distracts the lady

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in line, while the others stand side-by-side. Before the cash pops

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out, one thief attacked him on the solder tells -- telling him he has

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dropped some money, while the other takes his cash. Give us their names.

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We have all heard of shoplifting, but making the shop fittings,

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that's a new one. These two had decided to take advantage of the

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Highways scrap prices by steering this fruit and veg stand from the

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back of this supermarket in Kent. They are going to the shop and

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steal some alcohol. Tell us who they are. Remember if you know any

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thing about any of those incidents. Do the right thing and get in touch.

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The numbers are on your screen. Just time for a quick update on our

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appeals so far. On yesterday's show, we featured an

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armed robbery of a shop in Coney Hill, Gloucester, in which the

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offenders threatened a member of staff with an axe and a gun. A

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couple of callers have put forward potential names for the violent

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pair. Keep the calls coming. We want to bring them to justice.

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Also yesterday, we featured an appeal to catch a violent robber

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who targeted a pensioner in his own home. One of our callers has

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provided us with information on a man who may fit the attacker's

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description, and we've passed this on to police.

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We have had more through on our Wanted Faces. Yesterday, we

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featured James Fielder, wanted for conspiracy to supply class A drugs

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and handling stolen property. A number of callers claim to have

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seen him. Also, Benjamin James Reeve, who

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failed to keep the conditions of his release from prison, may have

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been spotted by one of our viewers. Still to come on today's programme.

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Of the AA con man who fleeced care home staff and tried the same trick

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on a GP's surgery on the same day. Find out how I got on when we put

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the latest facial imagery technology to the test.

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And, the moment the con man Robert Kerr came calling and fleeced a

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couple out of hundreds of pounds. Before all that, here's Steve in

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Gloucestershire, with a touch of CSI in the States stands for Crime

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Scene Investigation. But we have SOCOs here, Scenes of Crime

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Officers. The work these guys do remains a mystery. So when I was

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offered a chance to take a closer look at the world of forensics, I

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couldn't resist the opportunity to Pieces of material, flakes of skin,

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a single strand of hair or a speck of blood. All of these are

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invaluable to the forensics team, and can be the key to solving

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crimes. But ever since it became a part of police work over 100 years

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ago, there is one element is just A lot of our time is spent at crime

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scenes trying to find evidence. And quite often, you'll see our scenes

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of crime officers involved actually looking at the evidence trying to

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find fingerprints, DNA, all sorts of trace evidence with which to

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link the person who committed the My day-to-day job involves

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attending crime scenes, burglaries, cars, trying to detect forensic

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evidence. But it's not as simple as it looks. Most officers carry four

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different types of powder with them. Which one to use depends on the

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surface. And there's a real art to the brushing, flicking the powder

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rather than smearing it. We've got a car you're going to demonstrate

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You can see just here. They're really clear. Absolutely. We'd

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always like to find results like that on a vehicle that's been

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broken into. But brushing and powder aren't the only ways to

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track down fingerprints. And today's high-tech methods even

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include using precious metals to lift those all-important

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This is a Vacuum Metal Deposition. How does that help? It gets

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fingerprints from plastic bags and other items. We insert into the

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Here, we've got little bits of zinc and gold. We evaporate the zinc and

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gold, and we get a raised film on top of the plastic bag, and we get

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a finger print from that. It may look like a giant tumble drier. But

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this equipment allows the team to lift prints from almost anything.

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This is the bag that's been through the VMD process. What can we see?

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They are quite fragile finger prints, and you can see areas of

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There are more than 20 million fingerprints in the national

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database. What police are after is This is a match we've just created

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today. On the left is the crime scene mark, and on the right is the

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file print. What I've done is mark the little deviations in the ridge.

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Every human fingerprint is completely unique. These red

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circles capture the tiniest detail. And this one's a match. We are more

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than happy to say this is absolutely the person.

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Julia Robertshaw. You work with the Forensics Unit. There is a lot more

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to it than that, we might look for fibres and decrying saying where a

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criminal has come into a premises. We can match that to clothing. If a

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window is smashed, you might have the last from that window you can

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compare and match up to the suspect, from their hair or clothing. And

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for its work is a big part of what We have a more Cup crime scene.

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What are we looking for? scenario is the cricket club has

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been broken into and this window has been left insecure which is a

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problem. The offender has come through and stepped onto the table.

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So we are going to try to look for a footprint with black plastic?

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That's right. Because it is a latent Mark and we can't see it

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with the naked eye, Simon is using a flake which will bring up the

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pattern features. That has come through really clearly. That is a

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good print, obviously. They are often not that good in the field.

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Now we put downbeat gel that we showed you earlier. -- we put down

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the daily. That looks fantastic. That is a good match? That is a

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good print. How unique are these that Prince though? The soul of the

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issue has pretty unique characteristics. They are cold

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"class characteristics" but as you walk, you walk a certain way and

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those features are a unique. want to get a match. We have some

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suspect's from the crew. Tell us who you think this could be?

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have different types of shoes - bits and trainers. If we lift up

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the first sue I saw, you can see the marks on here match that Sue.

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Who is are suspect? It is Miriam. When we have anyone in custody, we

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can take their issue marks and put them on the database and match them

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with crime scene marks. You are getting good successes? Yes, just

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recently we had a conviction based solely on the third where from a

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scene of crime. Thank you for sharing as that. I am afraid CSI

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will never be the same again! Usually, we show you a collection

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of people the police are keen to track down. These faces are from

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the Serious Organised Crime Agency. You are in charge of the operation,

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tell us more. This is all about tracking British fugitives we think

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are in the Netherlands. The initiative is to focus on six faces.

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We think they are in the Netherlands and we are looking to

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launch an initiative with Crimestoppers and a Dutch

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colleagues. Why do thing they are targeting the Netherlands, as

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opposed to Spain? There is a beat expat community. We have big

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successes in Spain. Since 2008, we have arranged -- arrested over 200

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fugitives and we have displaced some fugitives to the Netherlands

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because now Spain is a hostile environment. We are trying to

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replicate that in the Netherlands and the - authorities are keen to

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try and emulate what we have succeeded in doing so far. How long

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has it been running? This initiative was launched last March

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but we have done a lot of preliminary work around this and

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the Dutch have changed the legislation to get these images in

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the media. The privacy laws did not allow it area. Briefly, a lot of

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these people are very dangerous so if people see them, what should

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they do? The important thing is to do it in partnership with

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Crimestoppers. People can phone in anonymously and not approach the

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individuals. Whether they are travelling or living in the

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community, it is a fantastic opportunity to try and help us find

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them. Let us look at them. First, we have the Albanian, Belino

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Gripshi, wanted for conspiracy to supply a class A drugs and money-

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laundering offences. He is believed to be part of the criminal network

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trafficking cocaine into the Netherlands. Have you seen him?

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Secondly, James Nicholas Tarrant who has been convicted of supplying

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cocaine and cannabis and possession of a firearm. Two years ago he was

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granted conditional bail but has gone on the run. It is believed he

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travels between the Netherlands and Spain.

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Do you know this man? Paul Christopher -- Christopher

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Finnighan who is believed to be in connection with a crime gang. He

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was bailed to report to police in Liverpool but went on the run. He

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has a Liverpudlian accent. It is believed he spent time in Amsterdam.

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Do you know where he is? This is Mark Anthony Fitzgibbon who

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was wanted by police since 2005 for supplying cannabis and amphetamines.

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He also has a Liverpudlian accent and police believe he is currently

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in the Netherlands. If you have seen any of this lot on your

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travels, please get in touch. Back to Miriam in Frampton.

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In our very first programme we brought to a special investigation

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into a gang stealing bank cards from NHS staff and conning them

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into revealing their pink numbers. Here in Frampton, we have come

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across a con targeting a care home which bears the same hallmarks.

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I don't know how they can do it to anybody. They obviously do not have

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a heart. From the job I do, all I want to do is help people and they

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have violated that. I was so devastated and I was angry at

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myself for giving over my pain. -- PIN number. Kelly spends her numbed

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-- life looking after elderly patients in a care home. I love my

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job. It is so rewarding helping the residents and going home knowing

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that the simple things of being clean and dressed properly are so

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rewarding. You think you have done your job. Last month, one phone

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call doing an ordinary day cost her thousands of pounds. I arrived at

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work, changed over from the morning shift to the afternoon Shift. I was

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bathing a resident and that is when a colleague said there was a phone

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call for me. I went to answer the phone call. I didn't know what it

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was at the time. The person on the other end of the friend said he was

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from Lloyds Bank and that someone was trying to use my card in

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Evesham. I looked and noticed my purse was gone so I started to

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panic. Kelly was unaware an hour earlier at a con man had visited

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her work place. The man went to it at the driveway to the nursing home.

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He Black his way in by claiming he was called an organisation selling

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books. He was always with a staff member. They took him to the staff

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room area where the books are normally kept. The staff personal

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equipment, handbags and coats are left in there. Quite a high value

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area. He was shown from the nursing home and seeing it through the

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front door. Unfortunately, it is unclear how he has then got back

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into the nursing home but he has obviously gone back into the

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He has then stolen to purses belonging to staff members. He then

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left the care home again and was seen by a member of staff walking

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down the driveway. But stealing purses was the beginning. Next, he

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called the victims. He started to Roelof transactions I had made in

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recent days which were all correct to my knowledge. He said that the

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police were on their way to arrest the Women as they confirmed it

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wasn't me in the branch. All my cards would need to be stopped

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straightaway. But he asked me if I knew the last three numbers of my

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cards. Obviously I said no. So he said the only way he would be able

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to stop my cards would be to use my PIN number. Unfortunately, I gave

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them over because I genuinely believed that he was going to help

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make and he would be able to stop my cards. Minutes after she handed

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over how PIN number, nearby, a woman was caught on CCTV using a

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stolen cards. -- the stolen cars. It wasn't until my manager said,

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something doesn't seem quite right, don't give though there any more

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information, I realised, "Bono" -- Bono. The account was empty of over

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�2,000. I'm getting married soon and I'm saving really hard for it.

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I thought I wouldn't be able to get married this year. I was just so

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devastated and I was angry at myself for giving over my PIN

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Being conned is never a nice thing. It is such a horrible crime. For

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someone to suffer and I can imagine they feel quite foolish. I knew I

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shouldn't give my PIN number over but you put yourself in the

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position I was in and knowing your purse was gone. You have somebody

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saying somebody is trying to use your card and they will be able to

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help you and stop it. You are in a panic anyway, you would do anything

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and give over anything for them to help you. They obviously do not

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have a heart at all. It makes me angry that they could go and do

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that. Sergeant Phillipa Rawlings is working on the case. This chap

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tried to carry out the same Kong somewhere else on the same day. --

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corner. Yes, he said he was a book man at the local surgery and was

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shown into the staff area where the books are kept. He had a look

:27:34.:27:40.

around the staff room, just gazing around. Asked the receptionist for

:27:40.:27:45.

a plastic bag but she said she didn't have one. He was not left

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alone so he picked up books and left with them. Was this after the

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care home? Yes, in the afternoon. He was hoping he would be

:27:57.:28:05.

successful again obviously? Yes. You have an E-fit. He is a white

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man, about five feet 11 inches tall. Medium build with a bald head,

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clean-shaven. He has a Westcountry accent, protruding ears and an

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earring in his left ear. That is quite distinctive. He had an

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accomplice at the bank, didn't he? Yes, there was a female who went

:28:32.:28:37.

into a bank later in the Stonehouse area. We believed she worked --

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they worked as a team. She was able to secured an overdraft and took

:28:44.:28:49.

out a large amount of money from the account. They must have been

:28:49.:28:52.

raised and to pass themselves off as someone else and get an

:28:52.:28:58.

overdraft? Yes, a brazen act and an awful thing to happen to someone.

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Thank you. If you have any information on this, please do get

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in touch. Now there is more information on possible

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similarities to this case and our own investigation.

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As Mary and said, the gang known as the Coventry Falcons took hundreds

:29:19.:29:24.

of thousands of pounds from NHS staff. They made their way into

:29:24.:29:28.

Secure areas where they stole wallets and purses be court --

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before calling bear witness -- victims and making them panic into

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revealing their PIN numbers. Tell It could involve theft. Theft,

:29:46.:29:54.

fraud, the whole range. You are keen to ask for help on this CCTV

:29:54.:30:04.
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image. This fellow was in a clinic in at Lancaster or, in April 2010.

:30:05.:30:15.
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He was there at the same time as a purse was stolen in similar

:30:18.:30:22.

circumstances This is the Frampton care home con man, we can see his

:30:22.:30:32.

e-fit now. I'm very interested in the e-fit for the con in

:30:32.:30:35.

Gloucestershire, because it is similar to some CCTV we have of a

:30:35.:30:38.

suspected member of the Coventry Falcons. He was captured on camera

:30:38.:30:48.
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at a GP surgery in Lancashire. me about this man? Garry Francis

:30:53.:30:59.

O'Neill, who we appealed for last time. We still want to talk to him

:30:59.:31:03.

in connection with the theft of bank cards from hospitals in

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Cambridgeshire and Kent. And this man with the red tie? I'm very

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pleased to say the fantastic response from the public on this

:31:15.:31:21.

one in particular, in fact we got calls from two police officers

:31:21.:31:26.

giving a name for this man. And a full statement of identification.

:31:26.:31:30.

If anyone out there does know anything, or recognise any of these

:31:30.:31:33.

images, please get in touch. There's already been an arrest of

:31:33.:31:36.

one alleged gang member. Let's see how many more suspects we can track

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down. The numbers are on your screen. Now back to Steve.

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Earlier, we told you about a different con man called Robert

:31:43.:31:46.

Kerr targeting a church in Scarborough. His scam has extended

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to this part of the world as well. Robert Kerr is a merciless conman

:31:55.:31:58.

who targets Christians. He's wanted by forces across the UK. And in

:31:58.:32:01.

January this year, he struck again. Ripping off a couple in Gloucester,

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who were so distraught after what happened, they want to protect

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their identity. We thought we were doing a favour

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for another Christian. But as it turns out, I don't think we were.

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It started with a phone call from a gentleman who was phoning from the

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Ministry of Defence. Hello, I'm calling from the MOD. A member of

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the church has just been discharged this morning from the Royal

:32:25.:32:29.

Gloucester Hospital. He's gone to the station, and he doesn't really

:32:29.:32:33.

know. I was wondering whether you might be able to do me a favour.

:32:33.:32:37.

wanted us to make sure that he'd got on the correct train. Would you

:32:37.:32:41.

be able to go there just to greet him really. A friendly face would

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mean so much to him. We went up to the train station and met the chap,

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and it just all started from there. When Kerr met the couple, he asked

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for a small amount of money. He wanted a train fare. But his

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deception was only just beginning. His train ticket that he had was

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out of date, because he said he'd been in the hospital too long. And

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he wanted to go to a cash point to get some money out to get another

:33:11.:33:15.

one. My husband took him up to the bank. When he put his card in,

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there were no funds available. So he asked if he could borrow some

:33:19.:33:23.

money until the following day. claimed it was too late to catch

:33:23.:33:26.

his train. And back at their house, the couple lent him more money,

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completely unaware he was drawing them into another of his elaborate

:33:30.:33:34.

cons. Because he said there were no more trains, we gave him all that

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we had, and drove him to a Travelodge. He wanted something for

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an evening meal, and breakfast the next morning. So we gave him �120.

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That was all the cash I had. went inside the Travelodge, and

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came back out, said they haven't got any rooms. The couple drove him

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to another hotel in the area. They thought this was the end of it, but

:33:58.:34:03.

sadly, there was worse to come. About an hour later, there was a

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knock on the door. He was extremely distressed. I've had a bit of

:34:09.:34:15.

trouble again. And he needed some more money. As unbelievable as it

:34:15.:34:19.

sounds, Kerr claimed to have left the �160 they had given him in a

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taxi, and he was penniless again. So I turned round and said well I

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haven't got any more money. I've only got my credit card. He said,

:34:29.:34:35.

well, take me to your ATM and get some money out of there. So it was

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off to the cash machine where Kerr was given �200. And then to a

:34:39.:34:44.

supermarket to use cash back for even more money. It's during this

:34:44.:34:54.
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part of his con, that Kerr was I turned round and said goodbye to

:34:57.:35:04.

him. And off I went and got back in the car and went home. Kerr

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promised to return at a later date, and reimburse the �460 he owed. But,

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like all his other victims, the couple would never hear from Kerr

:35:11.:35:18.

again. He said he was coming back. And we waited until then. As soon

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as the time passed, I then contacted the police. I was very

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cross when we realised what had happened, and that we'd been taken

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in. Robert Kerr is a despicable man. We believe Kerr travels the country

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committing these offences. He's targeting the vulnerable, and the

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people that need this money that he is taking off them. He needs

:35:38.:35:45.

stopping, and he needs stopping Leigh Bickerdyke. You're the

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officer trying to track down Kerr. What else can you tell us about how

:35:49.:35:57.

he operates? From the information we have received so far, we don't

:35:57.:36:00.

believe he has a permanent residence. He uses B&Bs and public

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transport, so he's hard to track down. He has made reference to

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money for train fares, so we think he may not have access to his own

:36:13.:36:18.

personal vehicle. We have seen he may be using somebody else as part

:36:18.:36:25.

of the scam. On the whole, we think he is a lone man. However, on some

:36:25.:36:31.

of the occasions, there has been a phone call for seed by the victims.

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From that, the voice is described diffin lay. It may be him

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disguising his voice. Or he may on occasion be acquiring an accomplice.

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You have expense of working on similar cases. His Robert Kerr

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preying on these people because they are naturally generous? That

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is a true. They are known to be open and generous with their

:36:57.:37:06.

hospitality. Also, their information is publicly available,

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appearing on noticeboards, and we're working with the churches to

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limit the amount of information available. A witness in

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Gloucestershire have reported seeing someone matching Roberts's

:37:18.:37:22.

description looking at a noticeboard, and later asking for

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directions to a particular parish members home. Do think there are

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more victims? I think a small amount has been reported. People

:37:32.:37:37.

may feel embarrassed that they have been conned, I urge them to come

:37:37.:37:40.

forward because the information they may have about where he has

:37:40.:37:44.

been committing crimes will help us identify the roots of trouble he

:37:44.:37:50.

has been taking. Dear thing he has been operating recently? We had a

:37:50.:37:55.

report two weeks ago from Lancashire police of a similar

:37:55.:38:00.

offence. We think that was Robert. You are working with forces all

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over the country. Yes, Avon and Somerset police, Lancashire police,

:38:06.:38:12.

and Northern Ireland are interested. If you know where Kerr is now, or

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if he's approached you, please give us a call. Con men like him have to

:38:16.:38:24.

be caught. The numbers are on your Yesterday, we set a test for Rav.

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We showed him this man, Paul, who's our totally innocent satellite

:38:28.:38:34.

engineer for just a few seconds. Rav then had to pass on a

:38:34.:38:37.

description to an expert working on a new system of facial imagery to

:38:37.:38:47.
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help crack crime. Take a look at If you can explain the system to me

:38:48.:38:54.

and I will try my best to relay what I can remember. I will ask you

:38:54.:38:58.

described the person's face. Then we will use this system. I will

:38:58.:39:08.
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show you screens of faces and ask Some are more distinctively rounder.

:39:11.:39:19.

I would say this one is about right for me. About there. At the moment,

:39:19.:39:24.

I think that is pretty good from what I can remember. That hair is

:39:24.:39:29.

definitely too long. It just needs to come forward a tiny bit. The

:39:29.:39:39.
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We have a bold the face, worked on the hair, pulled all the elements

:39:44.:39:48.

together, what you think of the lightness? I think that is as close

:39:48.:39:58.
:39:58.:39:59.

as I can get, I am happy with that. That was yesterday. This is the man

:39:59.:40:03.

I saw yesterday. How do you think we did? From what you gave me, it

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was quite hard, because he didn't have any distinguishing features.

:40:06.:40:14.

But I think the likeness isn't too bad. The hairline and the outside

:40:14.:40:18.

of the face has worked out quite well. The image has stretched out a

:40:18.:40:24.

bit more but overall a pretty good job. What I found difficult was I

:40:24.:40:29.

could not remember really well find details. That is way a system

:40:29.:40:33.

really helps. It was merging different faces together as opposed

:40:33.:40:38.

to an artist's impression way you would have to give details. Is that

:40:38.:40:43.

where this comes into its own? have trouble remembering the

:40:43.:40:46.

features, you can give me a description of the mouth, so we had

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to do it in a different way. I was showing you screens of faces and

:40:51.:40:56.

you worked with that. It is still relatively early days for this

:40:56.:41:01.

system, how is it going with his trial period? We have been selling

:41:01.:41:05.

the system for a couple of years. 14 police forces are using the

:41:05.:41:11.

system. The performance of the system is quite good. We find

:41:11.:41:15.

people produce composites other people recognise about 40% of the

:41:15.:41:21.

time. When we give this to the pleas for far more -- for formal

:41:21.:41:26.

field trials, we are getting an arrest rate of 40%. Briefly, the

:41:26.:41:32.

beauty about this system is it is on your laptop, you can go to a

:41:32.:41:42.

vulnerable person's home and do it there. Portable equipment. Just

:41:42.:41:50.

time for a quick update. We have had some calls already on

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one of today's cases, Robert Kerr, a possible sake -- sighting.

:42:00.:42:04.

Per these are following up strong leads on another Wanted Face, Pawel

:42:04.:42:10.

Jakub Koperski, wanting for drugs offences. Some possible sightings

:42:10.:42:16.

of him. He a distinctive looking chap. Miriam, what are you up to

:42:16.:42:19.

tomorrow? We're heading into Wales. For the

:42:19.:42:23.

rest of the week, we're with Gwent and South Wales Police. Tomorrow,

:42:23.:42:28.

we might get wet. The police diving team are joining us. Steve, it's

:42:28.:42:33.

your last day with us. It's been a busy two days. It's been great

:42:33.:42:37.

working with you here in my home patch. Let's just hope we get some

:42:37.:42:41.

good leads on the cases. We featured the attack on an 83-year-

:42:42.:42:45.

old man on the local news last night. Let's hope we catch somebody

:42:45.:42:48.

for that. That's it from us. For more details

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