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for your call. This month, we are out on the road with the UK's police

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forces, -- horses, and we need you to help them crackdown on crime.

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Today, the conmen who tricked 83-year-old Constance out of her

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cash. Today, the conmen who tricked

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83-year-old Constance out of her I knew I had been ripped off.

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83-year-old Constance out of her I knew I had And the end of an era for

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police horse Harrison. A huge occasion for him, and for nearly

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50,000 Man City fans. I will really miss him. He has been brilliant. You

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are watching Crimewatch road show. Welcome to Crimewatch road show. We

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are on the front line with today's police, with appeals to crack crime

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and advice on how you can stay safe. Also on today's show: A terrifying

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ordeal for a pub landlord and his wife.

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Never been robbed, never been threatened with being robbed, so it

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was out of the blue for me. And the glamorous young woman who lured a

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pensioner out of his home so that her pals could rob him.

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Today, we are back with Greater Manchester police, and Sian is at

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the home of the force's mounted unit.

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We are at Hough End Stables. Greater Manchester is one of only 11 forces

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in the country still to have its own mounted unit. Later, we will be

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finding out how these horses and that officers are trained to deal

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with those noisy disturbances where they really come into their own.

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First, the rogues who claimed an elderly woman's roof was rotten, and

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left her having to count every penny.

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83-year-old Constance is fiercely independent and has lived alone in

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the same house in Rochdale for nearly 30 years. One Friday in

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March, she was visited by a tradesman, who had some bad news. I

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was cleaning my living room windows when this knock came on the door.

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But when I went to the door, there was nobody there. But when I put my

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head out, he was at the other side of the gate. The man seemed

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knowledgeable and persuasive, as he pointed out a minor fault with

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const's roof. He said, I will fix your chimney for you for ?40. I

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said, that is not bad. He said, I will do it all and check it for you.

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I said all right. After the weekend, the man came back to carry out the

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work, this time with a companion. But there was a problem. The simple

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repair job on the chimney had become more complicated. He brought a piece

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of wood and said look, it is all rotten. He said it was storm damage.

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He told Constance that the repair would now cost her thousands of

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pounds. He said, are you insured? I said yeah, I am with Churchill. He

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said, I do a lot of jobs with them. He said, you can claim on your

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insurance. So he said ?1650. I said, I haven't got that kind of money

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here and now. Will you take a cheque? No, he said, I want cash,

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because you will have to have scaffolding up. The police believe

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that Constance was deliberately targeted by the so-called builders.

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I think sometimes they look at the addresses when they go to areas.

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They will look at how it seems on the outside and know it is an old

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person's address, maybe because it is not as modern as the others.

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Concerned now about the state of the roof, Constance fetched the money

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from the bank. It was funny. The girl at the bank said, is it for

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something special? I said, just some building work. Oh, she said, I hope

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you don't get ripped off. When she got back, the older man was at her

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home. He told her he was waiting for the scaffolding to arrive. He said,

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have you got the money? I said yes, it is in an envelope. Next thing, he

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snatched it out of my hand and went off. The fraudster left, assuring

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Constance that he would be back in a few hours. So I sat here, waiting,

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and the scaffolding never arrived. That was when I knew I had been

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ripped off. Just terribly upset. The police say the men need to be caught

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quickly, before they target more vulnerable and elderly people. For

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me, it takes me to my own family and my grandmother and how I would feel

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if somebody had done that to her. It makes you very angry and wanting to

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catch these males, because it affect people like Constance a lot more

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than even they can imagine. It really does knock the confidence.

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The stress of losing her savings has affected Constance's already poor

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health, and now she has to watch every penny. I only buy what I have

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to buy. And before I go shopping, I calculate every item. I know what

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they cost. And I make sure I don't go over that limit. I am limiting

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myself to money to buy food to put on the table. The crime had knocked

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Constance's confidence and her independence. Even now, I make sure

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the fund door is locked. I never used to. In all the 28 years I have

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lived here, I never did that, but I do now.

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Constance has been badly affected by this. Inspector Michelle Hughes,

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what do you know about the men who did this? Constance gave us a really

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good description of the two men, and we have produced e-fit pictures of

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them. The first male is described as in his 30s, quite a muscular build,

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wearing dark clothing. He is a white male. And the second one is a male

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in his 80s, which is unusual. He is five foot two, skinny build, but he

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was wearing a knitted woollen beige hat, which might stand out. And you

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think they have done something like this before? People like this target

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the vulnerable. They make a living out of doing this. So they will

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definitely have done this. And if people are worried, what is your

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advice? If somebody knocks on your door, do not get work done. Speak to

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families, get recommendations, go to a reputable builder. There is a

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trusted neighbour scheme, or where they can check these people out for

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you. And how is Constance now? She is getting there. It really does

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affect people. They target the most vulnerable, and the confidence issue

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is the worst thing for people like Constance, but she will get there.

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We wish her well. Sadly, it is not just so-called

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builders who con you out of your money. I'm joined now by the DC

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Katrina Grimmett from Hampshire police. There are two men you really

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want to trace today because of a nasty scam they have done? Yes, last

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November I was contacted by a 66-year-old male who reported that

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he had been conned out of his life savings and the total amount of

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?120,000. A massive amount. How have they done this? The victim had not

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long been discharged from hospital for mental health problems when he

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was contacted by these men. They told him of an investment

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opportunity in a mobile home Park in Surrey. They made it sound like good

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rockets could be made. And of course there was no business, it was just a

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scam. How did they get the money from him? One of the males, calling

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himself Phil O'Brien, would contact the victim on his mobile phone. He

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would ask for money for things like building materials. He would give

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the victim a day and time the money would be collected. Another man

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calling himself Andy Rodgers would travel by train to Brockenhurst in

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Hampshire, get a taxi to the big's home address and collect the money.

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On one occasion, the victim was withdrawing cash amounts ranging up

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to ?10,000. And they still wanted more? Yes, even when the victim's

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savings had run out, these men encouraged him to take out personal

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loans give more money, which he did. And when the money dried up, these

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two men disappeared. So now he is in debt, faxed these people. Your

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victim is a quick thinking fellow, and he used his mobile phone to

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capture one of them? Yes, one day he recorded the mail on his mobile

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phone. So who is this? recorded the mail on his mobile

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his name as Andy Rogers. recorded the mail on his mobile

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in the world. That is a very clear image of that person, which is

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billion and quick thinking. He did not capture the other person, but

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you have got any fit? Yes, we have an e-fit. This man called himself

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Phil O'Brien. The victim described him as a white male, late 40s,

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stocky build, with short cropped hair. The sad thing is that they may

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not just have done this, they may have done it to others. So you want

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people to get in touch if Iraq does any of those people. Thank you. If

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you recognise either of those men, please get in touch. Our details are

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on your screen. If you need another look, go to the website.

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Now, time for today's wanted faces. First up is Robert Emanuel Patrick

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Donovan, who also uses the name David Green. The 57-year-old failed

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to return to Ford open prison, where he was the thing a life sentence for

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murder and is now on the run. He should not be approached. If you

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know where he is, dial 999. He is seven foot -- five tall and of slim

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build. Next is 25-year-old Luke Jones, who

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is also known as Kid, K and Kilo. He is wanted for questioning by

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officers in the West Midlands in connection with the kidnap and

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torture of a man. Jones has links to the Birmingham and London areas and

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is described as dangerous. He should not be approached.

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Now, this is Dean Scahill. He was jailed in 2006 four possession of a

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firearm and is on an indeterminate life sentence. He was released

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early, but failed to stick with the conditions of that release and is

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now wanted back in prison. He has been on the run since January this

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year and has links to the Liverpool area and speaks with a local accent.

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Finally today, Laimonas Cepauskas, who was charged with GBH with intent

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after a man was attacked with a crowbar and hammer. He was due in

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court a year ago, but failed to turn up and a warrant was issued for his

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arrest. The 41-year-old has links to Lithuania, the West Midlands, Avon

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and Somerset and South Wales. He is six tall and described of being of

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extremely heavy build. If you recognise any of them, pick up the

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phone. Or you can e-mail us.

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Still to come, way after closing time, what are these men doing

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hanging around a pub just before a violent robbery? One had a bat. They

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were screaming, get out, get the keys, get the money.

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Welcome to the indoor arena at Greater Manchester police's mounted

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unit. This is where the horses are trained for riots and crowd control.

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In a minute, we will meet one of the newest recruits, but first let's

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find out how they are prepared for life on the frontline.

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A full-blown riot. It does not get any harder for police horses. Years

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of training prepares them for the loud noises and sudden movements.

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Here is where that work begins. Sergeant Cara Charlesworth is

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coaching both horses and riders. We use formations called wedges and

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half wedges. We will demonstrate the full wedge for you next. You just

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create a V shape that you can escort things through. Use it for vehicles

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or people. The horses way up to a ton each, making it all the more

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important that in any serious situation, their riders are in full

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control. This might look like a ceremonial exercise, but it is

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actually a way of preparing the horses for movements and

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distractions at big events. Start walking in a circle to the left

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bomber and Cara and Cassie, you walk behind. The horse is a flight

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animal. Their natural instinct would be to flee. Those instincts are

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hardwired into the horse. Cassie's horse is momentarily startled by the

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flag. She brings him to a halt until he recovers. Cassie, what made him

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react? I moved the flag to the other side of his neck. He did not like

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it. So horses learned through repetition. Once you have worked out

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what has triggered a lack of confidence, you would then want to

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repeat that again and again until you get the confidence. It may all

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seem a little tame and elegant in the classroom, but this is about

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building up these horses to the point where they can cope with some

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of the toughest events the police have to deal with. It is very

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satisfying to see the horses doing an operational job with a police

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officer on board full is but that is what we are here for, so the whole

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team pulls together to make that happen.

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Right, this is Rambo, the unit's latest horse. He only began his

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training last week. Like all police horses here in Manchester, he will

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be given an official name - and later in the programme I'm going to

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be allowed to choose it. He's going to go off now and do a little

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Bit of exercise. How do you get rambler ready for action? First of

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all you have to pick the horses with the right temperament. They have to

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be used to the city environment. We see all sorts of ways of doing that

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in the film. It must be great when you see them ready to go out there?

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Some of these situations are pretty chaotic. It is great for the whole

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team to see the horses come through the training process and become

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successful police horses. You are going to do a bit more training with

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Rambo. He has got quite a bit of work to do. Let's talk to Emma. You

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have policed some huge situations? I have. The biggest event in recent

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times had to be last year's homecoming for Manchester United

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just after Sir Alex Ferguson announced his retirement. It was

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immense. The noise was beyond anything I have ever experienced. It

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was a testing day for the horses. Three plus hours of clearing the

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streets in order to make room for the bus. They were amazing. I cannot

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fault them. They are fantastic animals. I know the crowds largely

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due responded really well to them. We have met the newest recruit.

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Later we will meet the veteran horse, Harrison. Now we have got

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some CCTV for you. Will you recognise any of these criminals?

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This punter in the jacket with the bright green hood fancies his

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chances. He has spotted cash behind the counter at this bookmakers, so

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he slips his coat off to snatch it. But he is not prepared to gamble

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just yet. Moments later he takes his jacket off and rolled up his

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sleeve. This time he goes for it. He reaches into the tail area and

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pockets ?200. This image is clear as a bell. Who is he? Call us. This man

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is either very hungry or up to no good. He is using a crowbar to break

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into an Italian takeaway in Cardiff. It is not exactly rich pickings

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inside. He searches the place by torchlight, then decides to take the

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till float, containing just ?10. He ducks out to tidy away his tools.

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Maybe he has missed something because he goes inside for another

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cheeky peek. There is nothing. He grabs his bag and walks off. He is

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wearing a mask but we reckon you can name the man responsible for this

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Italian job. Police can only do so much. We are in the heart of

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historic York. This man is not out sightseeing in the early hours of

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the morning. sightseeing in the early hours of

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steal whatever he can find. First, sightseeing in the early hours of

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he has got to get in. That has taken care of that. Then he scuttles

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across the place, looking for the till. This must be thirsty work

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because he has got a drink. till. This must be thirsty work

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the cash? With the till empty, all he manages to snatch is some

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the cash? With the till empty, all change. He must realise it is not

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his lucky day because he calls it quits and creeps back out of the

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bar. At least he will have change for the bus home. Name, please? If

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you recognise anybody, give us a call. Or sent a text. -- send. You

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can e-mail us, too. You can watch all of the CCTV on the website.

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to go off now and do a little Now burglary is a common but

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disturbing crime which affects people right across the country.

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Here in the North West there's a particular gang responsible for a

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wave of offences. Thankfully we can show you what they look like. Before

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we do, PC Ben Greenwood is here to The offences were committed on the

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12th and 14th of March this year. The men have arrived and left the

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scene in a black BMW. The group arrived in the grey BMW one series.

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They circled the place a number of times, dropping a number of the gang

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members off on foot. They approached the address, knocked on the front

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door. They made for the rear the address, knocked on the front

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property and attempted to force entry using crowbars. You have got

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some images? We have. They have been captured on CCTV. There is some good

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footage at a petrol station in Lancaster prior to one of the

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offences. What did they get away with? One address they stole in

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excess of ?70,000. Other addresses, slightly less. But extremely high

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value items. Some of the items are irreplaceable. Items belonging to

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loved ones that have passed away. Obviously irreplaceable. Jewry has

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been taken. Irreplaceable to many people. That is bound to have had a

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huge impact on the victim 's? It is. The jewellery stolen was wedding

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presents. It is all 22 carat and 24 carat yellow gold and includes full

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set of necklaces, rings, earrings and bangles. Have you got any leads?

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We have a registration plate for the car. That has been seen on the

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vehicle for four of the offences. There is another registration plate

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that has been seen on the vehicle as well. If anybody has seen this

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plate, or anybody acting suspiciously around this vehicle,

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come forward. Thank you. Pub landlords Danny Chambers and his

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wife Tina have been in the trade for years. It can be a tough business

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and they have seen everything. This one is particularly nasty.

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I have run pubs and clubs that 20 to 25 years. Everything from town

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centre pubs to nightclubs, and local pubs, which is what I have got at

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the moment. One night in April Danny and his wife called time before

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shutting up the pub as normal. It was a Sunday night. Not the pub up.

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Staff cleared out. Put the alarm on. Locked up, went to bed. Danny and

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Tina were soon asleep. But outside CCTV cameras captured these men

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checking the outside of the pub. At 3am you will see some males peering

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in by the door, by the windows. They climb across a first floor

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conservatory roof area and force a spare bedroom window and gain entry.

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Three o'clock in the morning, fast asleep. I could hear a noise and

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commotion in the bedroom. I looked up and could hear the wife

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screaming. Three guys around the bed. They were all dressed up in

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black with masks on. The men were heavily armed. One with a machete,

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the other two had a baton and a baseball bat. You are lying there in

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bed fast asleep and they are there. You have got no time to be prepared.

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It is a shock. Screaming at me to get up, get the keys, get the money.

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He said my wife was staying up here with the other guy. It was

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horrendous. The intruders were after the weekend takings, which were

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locked away in a safe downstairs. They forced Danny to take them to

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the money while one of the gang held teen upstairs. I was worried

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something was going to go wrong. I was not worried about giving them

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the money. I did not want to leave my wife upstairs with a lad with a

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two foot machete. Even after Danny open the safe, the couple's ordeal

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was not over. When the -- when they got the money they asked me where

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the rest of it was. There was no rest of it. They said, let's go

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upstairs and will ask your wife. Obviously that is horrendous. Back

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upstairs, he struggled to convince the men that they already had all

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his money. They had every penny. They took all the money out of the

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safe. I had no more money. Finally convinced, the gang tied Danny and

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Tina before escaping with the cash. We were relieved more than anything

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else that we were being tied up. The ordeal was going to be over. And

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then we untied each other. Ring the police.

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It is imported from the police twice -- police's point of view to find

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the people who have committed this kind of clap. But Danny and Tina are

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decent people. They have suffered. We are trying to get closure for

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them. They are struggling at the moment to come to terms with, will

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it happen again? After a week goes by, it starts to sink in what has

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happened. It has affected my wife pretty badly. It is something I

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never want to go through again. I will never forget it. I don't want

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to happen to summer deals. I really would not want anybody else to go

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through it, especially if they did not have any money on site or

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something went wrong for them. It could have been a lot worse. A

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terrifying ordeal for Danny and Tina. DC Simon Johnson joins me now.

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You have got some CCTV. You have got descriptions of these men? We have.

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Three white males, five foot five, five foot ten and six foot. They are

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wearing dark clothing and balaclavas. One of them has a

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long-sleeved dark top on with three stripes down the arm. It looks like

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an Adidas top. A lot of money was taken. You think that could help you

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in your investigation? Yes, a large amount of money was taken. About

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?11,000 in total. ?10,000 in cash and the rest in change. Somebody

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will have had a lot of money that week and will have been telling

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people about it or spending that money. Also, iPhones and a watch?

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Yes, Danny's watch was taken. A black ceramic male gents watch.

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Security has been boosted. Tell us about the equipment that was used?

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Security has been improved now. Obviously the brewery have covered

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at with alarms and CCTV upgrades. The thieves brought a ladder with

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them. A 15 foot single letter, which looked like it formed part of a two

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or three ladder system. I want to know where that is from. Ideally,

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people walking through the streets at 3M carrying a ladder would have

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stuck out to passing motorists. -- 3am. Also, peace a washing line was

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used to tied Danny and Tina. Thank you. Let's hope we can get some

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information. Today, West Yorkshire police have asked for your help in

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finding the vicious robbers who forced their way into the home of an

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80-year-old man in Leeds. Let's look at some CCTV footage taken before

:28:43.:28:46.

the incident. It is about ten minutes to ten at night on the 17th

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of April. A glamorous looking woman in high heels calls at the old

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man's house and in high heels calls at the old

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phone. When he refuses, she walks away. Not long after

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phone. When he refuses, she walks to shut his gait and he

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phone. When he refuses, she walks same woman sitting in a car with two

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men. They him to the ground. They forced their

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way into his home, dragging him inside. Once inside, and the

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80-year-old with a knife they ransacked his

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80-year-old with a knife they from a Samsung tablet, a mobile

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80-year-old with a knife they phone and some of watches. The man

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was left with cuts and bruises and badly shaken. Do you

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was left with cuts and bruises and glamorous cold caller or her two

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friends? Please help us catch them. If I have a safe It is busy. I am

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here twice a week. And it is different because they are police

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horses? Yes. Basically, with the amount of road work they do, they

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wear their shoes out. And you have got to balance them as well,

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apparently? Yes. Each horseshoe is an individual fit to each limb on

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each horse. That horse has to work on that foot for four weeks. So if

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it is out of balance, there will be unequal pressures on the joints. So

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to maintain an optimal balance, it is ideal to keep them bang on. These

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horseshoes take a lot of wear and tear, as Robert was explaining the

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mud because these police horses in Manchester are out and about. One of

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their main jobs is policing at football matches. They have two very

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successful teams here in Manchester. We went out and about with the

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mounted unit when they a very important game.

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10am on a Sunday morning, and it is a very important game.

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all go at the Hough End Stables. It is the last weekend of the football

:31:29.:31:33.

season, and in just a few hours, these horses and their officers will

:31:34.:31:37.

be policing eight crucial game. It is a big day for veterinary police

:31:38.:31:43.

horse Harrison and his rider, PC Lisa Russell, as Harrison is about

:31:44.:31:50.

to retire. He has been here since 2004. Harry is the grand old age of

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18 now, so here's an old man. And your last match. I don't know how I

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feel about that. You do get attached to them. He looks after me, I look

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after him, I hope. We get on well, so I get a bit choked. Today's match

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is crucial. If the home team beats or even manages a draw against West

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Ham, they will win the Premier League title. By 2.30, the 47,000

:32:23.:32:30.

fans are beginning to arrive at the ground. Lisa is deployed with

:32:31.:32:36.

colleague PC Emma Whittenbury to help manage the crowds. We have been

:32:37.:32:43.

told that you need to go. It is not long before things start to kick

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off, as a Man City supporter tries to gain entry to the part of the

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ground reserved for away fans. He is trying to get in the away end, but

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he is wearing a City shirt. The fan takes off his shirt, hoping that

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will persuade B Stuarts to let him in. They have taken the ticket of

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him. He has been advised that he can't get in, and we are asking him

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to leave. Harrison seems to be a favourite with regular fans.

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Lovely! I adore them. Every week, I bring them mints, and every week,

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they are darlings. There is not one nasty one. Every time we see them,

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we give them a stroke. You feel a bit safer with the horses around.

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The roar from the crowd let the officers know that the game has

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kicked off, but Harrison is used to the commotion. Very noisy, as you

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can hear, so even for the best horse, they have to cope with a lot,

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and the wind and the rain. He has been really good. Pleased with him.

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With the supporters safely inside, there is time for the horses and the

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officers to take things easy and for the officers to listen to the match.

:34:08.:34:14.

They are saying that big chair was City scoring a second goal, so it is

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fair to say that they are probably going to win the cup. They will be

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very happy when they come out, and very noisy. And this horse is going

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to be very busy. Last year, lots of people tried to get in from the

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pubs. So we will see. We will be busy. With the home team victorious,

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fans who have watched in nearby pubs start to arrive, desperate to join

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the thousands already celebrating on the pitch. The horses are quickly

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deployed to block the crowd and form an effective area, keeping the newly

:34:48.:34:50.

arrived fans away from the ground. an effective area, keeping the newly

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The fans are not happy, and a stand-off develops. But the line

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holds, until the crowd eventually settles down. Just as the officers

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think it is all over, there is another challenge chief. We have

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just had a message passed through from a command to let us know that

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chilly, they are very happy for City and they will be letting

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pyrotechnics of from the roof of the stadium. So for us, that puts us in

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a bit of a predicament, because there will be lots of bangs and

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flashes. The horses are not too happy, but they soon settle down. It

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is time for the crowd to continue celebrating elsewhere, and for

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Harrison to leave his last football match. Well done! I am really

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gutted. I will miss him. He has been brilliant today. It has been tough

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for him, very noisy. You can go home and have a rest now, put your feet

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up. That is it. I will be sad. Mixed feelings, because it is fabulous

:36:16.:36:19.

that he will be retired and have a nice chilled out and enjoy it. For

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Harrison and the rest of the team, it is time to head back to the

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stables. And here he is, Harrison, the star of the show, having a rest

:36:37.:36:43.

that his stable. Gorgeous horse. Lisa, we saw how attached you have

:36:44.:36:47.

been to Harrison over your career with him. What happens next for

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you? I have away already been introduced to other horses to see if

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I can get the same bond I have got with Harrison. Hopefully, that is

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something to come for the future. I am really going to miss you. I bet

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you are. You build up trust over the years. Absolutely. We ask him to go

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into situations that are not natural to him, so he needs to trust me and

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I need to trust him 100%. And we have got that, so I will miss him.

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Hope the league, I will get that with another good horse --

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hopefully. We wish you the best. Fantastic story. Let's speak to

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Jeanette Allen. You work with the Horse Trust, which is a charity that

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helps work after retired police horses and others. What sort of

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retirement or they have? Is a charity, we specialise in retiring

:37:46.:37:48.

horses that have served the public, so they generally come from the

:37:49.:37:52.

police or the army. We are used to dealing with these big, usually

:37:53.:37:56.

older horses. They get to run about in the fields, mooch about in herds

:37:57.:38:02.

and just enjoy their twilight years. It is a big change. They have been

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in these chaotic situations, and then they get to have a quiet life?

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Yes, and for some of them it takes a few weeks to get used to that. They

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are not used to living together in large groups, but it is help for

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four horses from larger sections like Manchester or the Met that

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often, when they come to our place, they are meeting up with old

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colleagues, horses that retired ahead of them. It is like having

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friends welcoming them when they arrive. A great job to have. I am

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sure Harrison will be at home there. At the end of the show now, I get to

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name the new recruit. Join us later for that.

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Now, today we have been hearing about the devious attack pics

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scammers use to get their hands on our money. Gerry Keighley, your

:38:49.:38:53.

charity represents older people. How vulnerable do you think they can be?

:38:54.:38:59.

As you have shown with Constance, the older people are very trusting.

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A recent report from trading standards revealed that 85% of

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doorstep crime affected people over the age of 65. 62% lived alone and

:39:09.:39:15.

40% said they were lonely. Such a sad statistic. And it does not even

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have to be the physical person on the doorstep to scam people. You

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have brought in a load of male that two of your residents have had in a

:39:26.:39:29.

short space of time, probably about a month. What sort of things could

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these be that still scan their money? There is a variety of things.

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Some of them are from legitimate marketing companies who would use

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what we call misleading tactics. They put large sums of money in the

:39:42.:39:47.

envelopes, with a small message saying, you can win this, not, you

:39:48.:39:54.

have won it. Others advertise opportunities that do not exist and

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so on. Something we were looking at said, you have won ?142,000. Then in

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the tiny small print, it says, we would like to let you know that you

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have won this. So it is not illegal, but it is very misleading. It is

:40:12.:40:14.

very dodgy, and we would like to see action taken. We would like to see

:40:15.:40:19.

telecommunications companies trying to block this sort of stuff from

:40:20.:40:23.

getting into the postal system. And similarly, stop certain types of

:40:24.:40:29.

phone calls getting through to older residents. We are campaigning for

:40:30.:40:33.

war protection. We want telecommunications companies to do

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more to protect older people from phone, internet and mail scams. And

:40:38.:40:44.

we want to see no cold calling zones widened so that more older people

:40:45.:40:50.

are protect it. -- protected. What can we do if we have a neighbour who

:40:51.:40:55.

is old and vulnerable? Well, the report and mentioned said that

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protective neighbouring is the best form of protecting older people

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against scammers. We would like to suggest that the neighbours, friends

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and families of older people check on them regularly. Look at the post

:41:11.:41:14.

they are receiving, and talk to them about the phone calls they have had.

:41:15.:41:22.

A quick update now. From yesterday's programme, we had a

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number of leads on the hit and run web tragically, Craig Roger was

:41:28.:41:31.

killed. Hopefully, that will lead to some information and closure for the

:41:32.:41:35.

family. We also had some information on wanted face number one from

:41:36.:41:40.

yesterday, Robert Knight, to do with a supply of drugs case. An

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information is already coming in for 83-year-old Constance, who was

:41:47.:41:49.

conned out of ?1600. Really hope that leads to these men been

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identified. Now back to Sian won last time at the stables.

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identified. Now back to Sian won It is a big moment for me now,

:41:59.:42:00.

because I get to choose the official It is a big moment for me now,

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name for the horse we saw earlier, the new recruit that was called

:42:05.:42:09.

Rambo. Mima, you have an old tradition here for choosing these

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horses' names? There is. Once we have purchased them, they get a name

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from a Charles Dickens character, and that is their working police

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name. This is the moment of truth. I am going to put my hand in and

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choose from three. And the name is Tingle. So Rambo becomes Jingle.

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That is going to be very popular. It has been a pleasure being here, and

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fascinating seeing how you work with the horses. Tomorrow, we will be at

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Manchester's National Cycling Centre, out with the police as they

:42:50.:42:54.

crack down on bike theft. The films are very dramatic. We will also have

:42:55.:43:02.

advice on bike safety. See you then. For more details on today's

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programme, head to the website. Finally, we leave you with another

:43:06.:43:10.

look at the wanted faces, because somebody out there knows where these

:43:11.:43:14.

people are. If you do, get in touch. See you tomorrow. Take care.

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Bye-bye. The average person moves home

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eight times during their life. So that's eight times

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we have to move the sofa. Eight times

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we have to redecorate. Eight times

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we have to locate the stopcock.

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