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'Never before have so many on-the-spot fines | 0:00:03 | 0:00:05 | |
'been issued in Britain. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
'We're going to be following the men and women who hand out | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
'over ?30 million worth of tickets every month...' | 0:00:09 | 0:00:13 | |
Oops. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
Round here, they are an absolute blight. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:16 | |
I'm up to 104 now. Wow! | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
That is disgusting. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
Just walk away. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
'..for behaviour that's downright dangerous...' | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
That was stupid for these sort of conditions, wasn't it? | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
'..simply selfish...' | 0:00:27 | 0:00:28 | |
Look at the mess you've created in the street. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
How's that our fault? | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
'..or just...' | 0:00:32 | 0:00:33 | |
What is he doing? | 0:00:33 | 0:00:34 | |
'..well, plain silly.' | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
What a doughnut. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:37 | |
We'll be revealing the cost of their bad behaviour. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
?100 fine. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
Pays ?260. Ouch! | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
'And how this could affect you.' | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
I'll give him a punch. Do you want to see me kick off? | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
'The police are on it...' | 0:00:50 | 0:00:51 | |
What the...? Sir! | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
'..the parking wardens are on it...' | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
They should be thanking us for being here. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
'..and I'm on it.' | 0:00:57 | 0:00:58 | |
Careful, it's a 30mph limit here! | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
'I'm Dom Littlewood, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
'and I'm on the spot. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:03 | |
'This time, I'm on the spot...' | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
That was a bit stupid of him, wasn't it? | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
'..spotting the speeders.' | 0:01:09 | 0:01:10 | |
What must be going through his mind right now? "Oops." | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
'Just who is going to pay the penalty in Lancashire?' | 0:01:13 | 0:01:17 | |
He had a sheet over his head and he emptied the bin there. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
'And one man fights his fine...' | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
Do you not accept that that's your vehicle? | 0:01:22 | 0:01:24 | |
'..at the traffic tribunal.' | 0:01:24 | 0:01:25 | |
No. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:26 | |
Have you ever driven over the speed limit, | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
forgot to MOT your car or not bothered with your seatbelt? | 0:01:30 | 0:01:34 | |
You might think it's harmless, | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
but they're all criminal offences and if you don't play by the rules, | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
the police can hit you with a hefty fine, or more. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
I'm riding shotgun with Sergeant Warren Knight. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
The weekend is nearly over, and for traffic cops that means one thing... | 0:01:53 | 0:01:57 | |
..dangerous drivers. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
So, Warren, a slightly wet Sunday afternoon in Wiltshire. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
A damp one, yeah. A damp start which is typically not what was forecast. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
What's it now? So, it's 3.40 now, | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
we're on with you most of the night, what are you likely to expect? | 0:02:10 | 0:02:15 | |
The plan for tonight is to go up and join colleagues on the motorway. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
We usually find the M4, | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
because there are people going back towards London, | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
it gets quite busy, | 0:02:24 | 0:02:25 | |
and we usually have quite a lot of late-evening collisions. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
But also, as the traffic thins out, | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
we then get the people that have left it quite late | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
and they'll start increasing their speeds. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
Would it be fair to say that the majority of the RTCs | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
that you see now would be as a result of people speeding? | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
They're not all for speeding. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
A lot of inattention is the main cause, I would say. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
A combination of inattention, | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
inappropriate speed or inappropriate driving. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
So that could mean that they're distracted by mobile phones, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
they're distracted by talking. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
I think people's lives are so busy now, | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
they're such in a rush that they just don't think ahead, | 0:03:02 | 0:03:04 | |
they're just thinking about, "I've got to get home, | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
"I've got to get the kids to bed," | 0:03:07 | 0:03:08 | |
or, "I've got to get ready for work," | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
so they're not focusing on the job in hand, which is driving. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
You must see some horrific things. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
I've been a traffic sergeant for ten years and | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
I've seen a multitude of people that have died | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
as a result of road traffic collisions. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
Do any of those scenes or sounds you might hear, anything at all, | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
does that haunt you afterwards... Erm... ..or are you able to | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
distance yourself from that? | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
They do for a while and you just hope, in time, that your mind | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
can process it in the right way. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
It's the job of these guys to try | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
and eliminate road traffic collisions. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
One way to focus drivers on the rules of the road | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
is an on-the-spot fine. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
We haven't even made it onto the motorway | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
before getting caught up in a dangerous manoeuvre. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
I can understand their frustrations but that is partly some of our job. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
We are catching, erm... | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
Just got to deal with this. Yep. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
The driver in front has just overtaken us at an excessive speed. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
He's going to regret that, | 0:04:12 | 0:04:13 | |
especially if he ends up with a ?100 on-the-spot fine. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
That was a bit stupid of him, wasn't it? Well, the road's clear, | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
it's just a question of his speed | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
and whether his speed is appropriate. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
We're in a 60 limit. Whilst he's overtaken, | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
he hasn't eased off. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
The speed's now 73mph | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
and we'll just monitor his speed as we go round the bend. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
It's a question of whether he does reduce his speed or he carries on | 0:04:33 | 0:04:38 | |
and that allows me to gauge how I might deal with it. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
Unfortunately for this bloke, he's still breaking the speed limit. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
The gap between us hasn't really changed | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
and we're still doing 70mph in a 60. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
What's your instincts right now, what are you thinking? | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
I think we'll have a word with him. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
Well, he's got no chance of overtaking that... No. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
He's going to be stuck now. So he hasn't really achieved a lot, | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
because he's been stuck behind that car. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
But we'll get the driver and just have a quick chat with him. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
SIREN WAILS | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
I reckon the penny must have dropped by now. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
What must be going through his mind right now? "Oops." | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
He's probably thinking, "Am I going to get a fine for this?" | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
Hiya. Afternoon. You all right? Yeah. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:31 | |
Do you know why I've stopped you? Speeding, I'm guessing. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
Yeah, it is speeding. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:35 | |
'This is pretty serious - there are kids in the back.' | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
Do have any points on your licence at the moment? | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
I don't think so, I can't remember. Do you have your licence on you? | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
Lovely. Cor, your licence has seen better days, hasn't it? Yeah. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
All right, I'll just do some checks. Sit tight. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
'Sergeant Knight needs to check to see if there are | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
'any other issues with this vehicle. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
'If so, the driver could be in line for more than one fine.' | 0:05:54 | 0:05:58 | |
What's your name? Tom. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
Tom. OK, you obviously didn't realise you overtook us. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
Yeah, I realised it as soon as he put his lights on. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
Yeah. What did you think when that happened? | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
I thought, "Not again." | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
Not again?! | 0:06:10 | 0:06:11 | |
I got stopped along this road about ten years ago. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
Right. By a very similar grey BMW. Yeah. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
Oscar 074, if you could do me the vehicle check first | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
and then the DL. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
They say lightning doesn't strike twice, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
but I'd say it has for this fella - | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
caught speeding AND whilst overtaking an unmarked police car. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:33 | |
But is he going to get an on-the-spot fine? | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
He could be facing ?100 and three points. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
It's the moment of truth. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
So, what will it be? | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
All right. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:54 | |
Right, just ease off your speed, all right? | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
I apologise, I know. It's...you know... | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
It was overtaking... I know, | 0:07:00 | 0:07:01 | |
you were frustrated by the line of traffic. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
Yeah... | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
In your defence, at least you didn't accelerate any more | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
because I think if you had, | 0:07:09 | 0:07:10 | |
you and me would be having a different conversation, all right? | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
Just think about your kids and that. Yeah, I know, the children... | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
Yeah, but, you know, try and enjoy the rest of the day. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
All right? Thank you very much. OK, good day to you. That's very kind. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
It's a slap on the wrists this time, no fine for this driver. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
He's let you off with a verbal warning, hasn't he? Yeah. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
Which I think is very nice of him. You're obviously relieved? | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
I'm extremely relieved, yeah. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
Honest truth - will it change your driving? Yeah, definitely. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
Yeah. I think it's probably worth saying, isn't it, you know? | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
Especially as you've got two young kids in the back. Yeah. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
It's foolish. Yeah, you know it, you said it yourself, didn't you? | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
Absolutely. Well, I'm really, really pleased that you didn't end up | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
getting a ticket because it would've been painful | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
and, you know, a nasty Sunday for you, wouldn't it? | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
Yeah, I'm very pleased myself. Tom, take care. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
Thank you, Dominic. Thanks. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:54 | |
Warren, can I ask why you took the decision then | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
not to issue a penalty notice? | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
That's the good thing about doing the job we do, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
that we can use common sense. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
Yes. The chap hasn't accelerated away, he's shown some restraint, | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
so he's done his overtake and he's been sensible. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
I think that is the balance for me. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
It's not about just giving tickets out. Yeah. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
Because it's important that people understand the risks and, yes, | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
he's gone away with a positive attitude, he's gone away thinking... | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
And his kids have also gone away with a positive attitude. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
They haven't seen Daddy get a ticket. Yeah. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
I'm a dad myself and, you know, he's had a good day with his kids. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
Yeah. He doesn't want a police officer spoiling it | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
by giving him three points and a ?100 fine. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
I tell you what, he wants to go and buy himself a lottery ticket now, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
cos it's his lucky day, doesn't he? | 0:08:36 | 0:08:37 | |
I would, I'd go and have a lucky dip right now. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
In Pendle, Lancashire, | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
Lesley Brooks is an environmental crime officer | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
with the local council. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
Her job is to investigate crimes like fly-tipping and littering, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
and hand out on-the-spot fines to the culprits. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
She's had a report from a concerned resident. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
We're going to an area in Nelson | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
where there's a problem with waste in the back streets. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:08 | |
I don't really know much about it. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
I've seen a photograph, it looks a mess, | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
so we'll just see what it is when we get there. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
It looks like someone's just emptied their recycle bin. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
The bin vandal has created an eyesore | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
and with rotting rubbish on the street, | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
the vermin won't be far behind. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
It's up to Lesley to track down the culprit | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
and whoever it is could face a ?400 fine. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
It could well have all been in that bin | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
and someone else has taken it out. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:45 | |
Because the bags aren't sealed, we can't... | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
Whatever rubbish is here, we wouldn't be able to implicate them | 0:09:48 | 0:09:50 | |
in regard to fly-tipping because we don't know where it's come from. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
I mean, if it comes from this property, | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
they might have put the bags out, | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
obviously they've put incorrect waste in that bin, | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
because that's a recycle bin, as opposed to a proper bin. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
So I'm going to look where it's come from anyway. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
I'm presuming it's come from here | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
and I'm going to give them a knock and ask them what's gone on. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
It's a bit of a mystery to Lesley, but a neighbour might be able | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
to shed some light on who could be responsible. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
He had a sheet over his head and he emptied the bin there... Right, OK. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
..went through everything, took what he wanted... Right. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
..then moved down a street. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
When he got to the few bins down there, | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
he started emptying the bins down there. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
Right, OK. And there was some scrap outside. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
Well, he decided to just put everything down | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
that he'd taken from there and he picked up all the scrap | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
and walked away with it. Right, OK. So do you know who this guy is? | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
No. No, right. I think he's homeless. Why...? | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
Then he came back...and then he came back shortly afterwards | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
and collected everything that he'd collected from that bin | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
and a few of the others, and took the rest of it away. Right, OK. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
But he'd emptied a few bins | 0:10:57 | 0:10:58 | |
but the other neighbours cleaned up the mess that they came out to. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
How long's it been like that, then, do you know? | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
Just since Monday night. Right, OK. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
What makes you think it's a homeless guy? | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
Well, he may not be homeless | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
but he's a down and out, no job, whatever. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
Right, thank you very much. Thank you. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
The sheet is down there, what he said, so maybe his story is true. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
I'm still going to knock on the door. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
The plot thickens. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:26 | |
But however the mess was created, | 0:11:26 | 0:11:28 | |
Lesley needs to make sure that it gets cleaned up. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
She's going to have a word with the resident of the house | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
the bin belongs to. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:35 | |
I'm an environmental crime officer for Pendle Borough Council. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
All through your back alley, have you seen...? | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
No, you go... I'll see you at the other side. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
All right, thank you. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
I'm a bit... I don't know whether we've already got issues with her | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
because if you look at the front garden, I didn't want to be... | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
We might already be trying to get it a 215 because there's bin bags | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
and mattresses in the front garden so... | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
I'll just speak to her about this round the back. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
A section 215 order can be used by the council to make untidy residents | 0:12:02 | 0:12:07 | |
clean up their mess or face a ?1,000 fine. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
But at the moment, Lesley is more concerned | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
about the rubbish round the back. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
It was bin day yesterday, wasn't it? | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
Yeah. The rubbish obviously is your rubbish. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
Erm... | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
When did you put your bin bags out? | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
It turns out the bin tipper isn't the only one at fault here. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:28 | |
Sunday, right. But it's bin day on Tuesday. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
I'm led to believe that some homeless guy has come here | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
with a sheet over his head and gone through all your rubbish, | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
hence this mess. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:41 | |
But what's caused that is the fact you've put your bins out too early. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
If you'd put your bins out on the correct day | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
in the correct receptacle, then this would've been avoided. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
But you need to recycle as well. If that's your recycle bin... | 0:12:51 | 0:12:56 | |
See, the stuff that's in there is not all recycling either. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
So you're going to have to sort that out, all right? | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
So let's take a look at the facts of this case. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
An overturned bin in the back alley, | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
a mystery hooded homeless person | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
and unsorted rubbish put out on the wrong day. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
Is it going to be a fine and, if so, for who? | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
The stuff here, some of it's recycling and it should be in there. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
You need to split it or you're going to end up fined for not doing that. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:25 | |
It's no fine. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:27 | |
Lesley is giving this woman a chance to sort out the mess. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
The mystery homeless guy gets another chance too. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
I know you're not responsible for this mess because I have a witness | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
who's just told me about this guy in a sheet | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
riffling through your rubbish, | 0:13:41 | 0:13:42 | |
but if you'd put your bins out on the correct day, | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
in the correct receptacle, then this would've been avoided. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
Erm, you're going to have... | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
You're going to have to, er, clear it up, | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
get some bin bags and get this mess cleared up, and put it back out. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
It's going to be a fortnight. | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
All right? It will be double checked. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
You could end up with an order on you. Right, OK. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
Thank you. Thanks, bye. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
It seems this resident has got her work cut out. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
She'll now need to clean up this mess. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
If she doesn't, the council will do it for her and send her the bill. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
Now, I don't know about you, | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
but round my way there are lots of different parking rules. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
Single yellows, double yellows, loading, no loading, | 0:14:31 | 0:14:36 | |
you can't park here but you can park here, | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
but only when there's an R in the month. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
It's all very confusing. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
So I'm in Havering on the spot | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
with parking enforcement officer Kam | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
for a masterclass in parking regulation basics. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
To combat the illegal parking, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
the council gave out 40,000 penalty notices last year. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
I really, really hope that is not a zigzag. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
Ridiculous, look at that. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:02 | |
You're on the footway, boss. You're not allowed to be there. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
I'm moving. Thank you. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
And after two years on the beat, | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
Kam has given out her fair share of fines of up to ?130 a pop | 0:15:09 | 0:15:14 | |
and that doesn't make her very popular round here. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
In your job, you're never, ever going to have anybody to say to you, | 0:15:18 | 0:15:20 | |
"Thanks for doing a good job. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:22 | |
"You're keeping the streets safe and parking well..." | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
No-one's ever going to say... It's very rare. How rare? | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
It does happen, I'm not going to say that it's never happened. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
It has happened but in six years, I reckon, maybe five or six times. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
Once a year, it comes like Christmas and it goes like Christmas as well! | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
In and out, gone. That's when people compliment you? | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
Yeah. So... It will normally be after we've sort of... | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
responded to a complaint for a dropped kerb... Yeah. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
..or a resident opposite a school, but it will come where we're needed. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:56 | |
It's not long before Kam spots her first offender. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
That one's staring you in the face, isn't it? Yeah... | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
'There's a delivery lorry banged to rights on double yellow lines.' | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
So many people think that putting your hazards on | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
means you can give them a ticket, doesn't it? | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
Yeah. No, that doesn't help, it really doesn't. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
Let's see. No, the driver's gone as well. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
Nowhere to be seen. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:18 | |
So a lorry parked on double yellow lines | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
directly in front of a "no loading" sign. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:25 | |
Not sure those hazard lights are going to get him out of a fine. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:29 | |
And just as Kam's about to issue a ticket... | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
Is that you? | 0:16:32 | 0:16:33 | |
Boss, you can't park there. Come on, you know that. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
Right. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:39 | |
So what happens now? | 0:16:41 | 0:16:42 | |
'An on-the-spot fine of ?130 could be on its way.' | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
Now he says he's just waiting to open the door. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
Sir, you can't wait here. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
Are you not able to just go into the loading bay and then wait there? | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
So it's his lucky day now, is it? He doesn't get a ticket? | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
Yes, very lucky day. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
The driver escapes without a fine. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
That's exactly what the kerb marks and everything mean. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
No waiting, no loading. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
He's about a metre away from them...from the sign as well so... | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
When they say, "I'm just loading or I'm just waiting," | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
but that's exactly what you're not allowed to do here. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:18 | |
Well, in fairness, there are two loading bays | 0:17:18 | 0:17:20 | |
about 20 metres up there. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
Yeah, so I can understand if there's really no other alternative. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:27 | |
'The first fine of the day has been narrowly avoided, | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
'all down to the compassion of Kam. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
'Who said parking attendants couldn't be reasonable? | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
'But this next car might not be so lucky. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
'It's parked on a single yellow line | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
'where parking is restricted between 8.30 and 6.30. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:46 | |
'And guess what? It's just turned 8.30. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
'This could be an on-the-spot ?130 fine.' | 0:17:49 | 0:17:54 | |
Where's the signs, then, that tells him...? | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
Whenever there's a yellow line, somewhere along the stretch... | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
If you see over there, that says, | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
"Monday to Saturday 8.30am to 6.30pm." Ah, right, OK. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
They have definitely not been misinformed. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
So, Kam, just explain to me, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
why is this person looking at possibly getting a ticket | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
and that one's not? | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
This one, you can obviously see | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
that is has a disabled badge with a clock. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
Blue badge holders are actually entitled to park | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
for up to three hours. OK. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:21 | |
Obviously, this one is a totally different case | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
because it has nothing on display. So it is on a waiting restriction. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
Having said that, every vehicle does get its ten minutes grace now. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:31 | |
So if... If they've nipped to the lavvy, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
they've got half a chance of not getting a ticket? Yep, basically. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
Let's hope they come back within ten minutes. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
If this person's unlucky and gets a ticket in a minute, | 0:18:38 | 0:18:40 | |
how much will it be? It will be 65, if it's paid within 14 days. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
130 if not. Yep. It's a lot of money, isn't it? | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
'So now we play the waiting game.' | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
I sort of feel like I want to shout out | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
or press a foghorn or something to warn the driver and say, | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
"Come and collect your car, you've got ten minutes." | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
Well, probably about eight now. | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
That's not going to make someone's day, is it? | 0:19:00 | 0:19:02 | |
'Tick tock, the clock is ticking.' | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
If the driver does manage to come back within the next ten minutes, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:06 | |
we'll be all right. Unfortunately... | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
It's an awful lot of standing around. Yes. And walking. Yes. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:13 | |
Don't you fancy bringing a little Thermos flask along | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
and having a coffee and sitting down | 0:19:15 | 0:19:16 | |
and dunking your biscuit in it? It's a lot to carry as well. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
I mean, during a day of patrolling, | 0:19:19 | 0:19:21 | |
you can go through so many drinks and snacks, | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
painkillers in case I get a headache, | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
you know, things like that. When you say get headaches, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
is that because people are having a go at you? Yeah. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
Really? Definitely. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:32 | |
After a while, you do need to take a moment and think, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
"Oh, my God, my head's hurting. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
"I'm going to go and have a coffee and..." | 0:19:36 | 0:19:37 | |
There's someone coming down the street now. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
I wonder if this is the guy. It might be. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
He seems to be twiddling with his phone. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
No. We get that a lot as well. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
How much longer have they got? Got another...about 30 seconds. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
Right, and then that's it, bish, bash, bosh. | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
Yep. Talk about the dosh. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
'It's not looking good, the time is up. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
'Surely this is an open-and-shut case. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
'The car is parked up on a single yellow line, | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
'it's not displaying a blue badge, | 0:20:11 | 0:20:13 | |
'so there's no lawful reason for it to be there. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
'Kam's given the driver ten minutes' grace | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
'but now they could be looking at a hefty fine of... | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
'you've guessed it, ?130.' | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
Well, in fairness, they had ten minutes' grace. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
Yeah, so if the driver does come back, they can't say, | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
"Oh, you've given me a ticket as soon as enforcement starts," | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
because enforcement starts at half past eight, | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
we've obviously been here for ten minutes now so | 0:20:38 | 0:20:40 | |
I would be very annoyed if the driver came back | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
and gave me abuse and said, "I've only been here two minutes." | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
'Yep, it's a fine - a painful 130 smackers.' | 0:20:45 | 0:20:50 | |
First one of the day, yeah? Yep. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
'Now Kam's heading off to her next hot spot in the centre of town, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
'where drivers have to pay and display.' | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
Romford High Street, not market day | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
cos they have market day here I think three times a week, | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
which means that this whole street normally would be full of stalls. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
But now it's used as a car park. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:13 | |
So what Kam's doing, she's going round, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
she's checking if people have bought a ticket. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
If they haven't, they've got about ten minutes', or so, grace. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
What she's doing now is, she's going round, | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
she's logging the cars that don't have tickets showing, walking round. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
By the time they come back, if they haven't got one, | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
that's it, ticket time. It's all going quite well, actually. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
So far we've been up and down the high street a couple of times | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
and not one ticket issued. A good day for the motorists. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
A good day for Kam, really - less paperwork. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
Are you all right there, mam? | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
OK. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:45 | |
This car's driver has left the car, | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
but claims her husband has gone to get a ticket. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
If he doesn't come back with one in ten minutes, | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
she could be the proud recipient of a ?130 fine. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:59 | |
You've just put that vehicle under observation, yeah? Mm-hm. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
Explain to me exactly what's going to happen now, then. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
I'm going to go back and check whatever other vehicles | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
I've logged in this car park, because it is a big car park. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
I think I've logged about five, six vehicles. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
By the time we come back, | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
her observation will be up as well and then obviously if she's... | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
She'll either have bought a ticket or we'll move her on. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
If neither happens, then we'll give her a ticket. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:21 | |
Kam checks out other vehicles while giving the woman her grace period. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
But when Kam returns, | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
the women's husband is in the driving seat but still no ticket. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:34 | |
In fact, now he claims his wife has gone for the ticket. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
Hey there, sir, do you have a ticket? | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
All right because... | 0:22:44 | 0:22:45 | |
I'm sure it's the same vehicle. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
Yeah, I logged this vehicle 15 minutes ago, sir, and... | 0:22:49 | 0:22:53 | |
Right, she said that you were gone to get a ticket. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
Can you not have a go at me? | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
I logged you 15 minutes ago and now you're back, | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
now you're back and now you're telling me she's getting the ticket. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
Could you go and get a ticket please, sir? OK. Yeah? | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
You've been here for 15 minutes and now you're having a go at me. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
You just... You were about to have a go at me | 0:23:08 | 0:23:10 | |
until I made it very clear to you that you've already had 15 minutes. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
It's 9.20 now. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
You were logged at 9.05 and at that time, the lady who was sitting here | 0:23:15 | 0:23:19 | |
said to me that you had gone to get a ticket. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
That is really annoying because he's tried having a go at me, | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
claiming that, "Yeah, I'm waiting for her to go and get a ticket." | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
But, I'm sorry, 15 minutes ago, | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
YOU were going to get the ticket and she was in the driver's seat. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
So don't lie to me and don't raise your voice to me. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
That is just disgusting. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
It looks like this guy's pushing his luck. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
Kam is within her rights to slap a ?130 fine on his windscreen. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:43 | |
It's not looking good for him. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:44 | |
This driver has been sat in the car park | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
without a ticket for 15 minutes. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
He claims his partner has gone to get change | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
but that story is rapidly wearing thin with Kam. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
So will she give him an instant fine or let him off with a warning? | 0:23:56 | 0:24:00 | |
Right, can you go and get a ticket, sir? | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
Right, clearly there is no ticket process here. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:08 | |
They're not getting change because | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
he just told me she was going to get a ticket | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
and now he's just jumped out with a note saying I need to get change | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
and that's after 15 minutes of an observation. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
I'm very tempted to just tell him... | 0:24:18 | 0:24:19 | |
Give me a minute? No, I can't give you a minute. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
You're either going to drive off or you're going to get a ticket, sir. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
You've had about 17 minutes now. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
'He's chosen to leave the car park. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
'Another driver escapes a fine, but Kam's not happy.' | 0:24:32 | 0:24:37 | |
See, that has really annoyed me now. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
Clearly, neither of them have any intention of buying a ticket. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
So if that's really annoyed you and he's well over his stay, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
why didn't you issue a ticket? | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
Because, erm... | 0:24:46 | 0:24:48 | |
A, it would've just escalated the situation. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
If he had refused to move on, | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
then I would've given him a ticket straight away. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
But, to be honest, like I said, | 0:24:55 | 0:24:56 | |
the ticket is supposed to be the last resort. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
If I had given him a ticket, | 0:24:58 | 0:24:59 | |
it would've purely been because I've let my annoyance get to me. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
We don't do the job personally. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
Personally, I would've loved to have given him a ticket. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
I think he deserved it... | 0:25:07 | 0:25:08 | |
because was just taking the mick. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
After a morning on patrol, | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
Kam's hot under the collar and I'm hot on top. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
One of the hazards of the job. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
I don't want to end up going home looking like a Swan Vesta match. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
I've put too much on now, haven't I? Yeah, you have. Good Lord! | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
Do you want some of this? No, not off the top of your head, no! | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
Oh. Nothing wrong with the top of my head. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
'It's for your own good, Kam. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:33 | |
'If I burn my bonce, you'll never hear the end of it.' | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
Nothing quite ruins your day like an ominous brown envelope | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
arriving through the post with a hefty fine in it. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
Now, you might think that's the end of it and you've got to pay. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
But you'd be wrong. You might be in with a chance to appeal. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
We've been fined for things like going in bus lanes | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
without realising it in a place that we don't know. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
It's the modern life we live in - everybody has got no time, | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
everybody is in a rush. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
"I'll park here. I'll only be away five minutes." | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
They are there probably for half an hour. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
I had a situation where I parked my car in a private housing area | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
next to a shop and the sign was facing that way | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
and I parked on the other side of it. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
So when I got out, ten minutes in the shop | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
and I got a ticket. I was fuming. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
SIREN WAILS | 0:26:25 | 0:26:26 | |
Well, all is not lost. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
Londoners who dispute their driving and parking fines | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
can get their case heard | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
at the London Tribunals at Chancery Exchange. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
I'm here today because I received a penalty fine outside my home. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
I took my nephew to the toilet. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
When I came back, I got a ticket. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:48 | |
It was an emergency situation. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:50 | |
They should have understood this kind of thing. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:52 | |
It's probably the fifth time I have been here in the last 12 years | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
and on the previous four occasions, I was successful. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
'Today, I've been granted special access | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
'to sit in with serial appealer Narinder Marwah's tribunal. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
'He's fighting a ?65 penalty | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
'for apparently stopping in a box junction.' | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
Why do you feel you've got a case here? | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
What happened? | 0:27:14 | 0:27:15 | |
Actually, Enfield Council, | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
they are alleging that I stopped at a box junction, | 0:27:18 | 0:27:22 | |
whereas I shouldn't have. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:26 | |
But I think the rules do allow you to stop in a junction | 0:27:26 | 0:27:33 | |
if you are obstructed by oncoming traffic. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
So even if that was my car, that is what happened to me. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:39 | |
Give me an idea. How do you feel | 0:27:39 | 0:27:40 | |
your chances will be with the appeal? | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
I have appealed in the last year or so and maybe six times I appealed, | 0:27:42 | 0:27:50 | |
I won it five times. Really? Yeah. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:52 | |
As a rule of thumb, would you appeal every single time? | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
No, not necessarily. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:56 | |
If I very clearly see that I was in the wrong, I will pay | 0:27:56 | 0:28:01 | |
and I have paid. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
My sons have paid, my wife has paid. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
I have advised them to pay. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
If you are clearly in violation of the law, you must pay. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
So you are not just trying to get away with it? | 0:28:11 | 0:28:13 | |
Of course not. You generally feel you've got a case to answer? | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
You will take the time? | 0:28:16 | 0:28:17 | |
OK, well, we'll be listening in on the case | 0:28:17 | 0:28:19 | |
so we'll see how you get on. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:21 | |
I'll have a quick chat with you afterwards. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:22 | |
Thank you very much. Thank you. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:24 | |
'So, Narinder might be a dab hand at this, | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
'but there is a lot of money at stake. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
'If he loses, his original ?65 fine doubles.' | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
Come in, sir, come and have a seat. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
'Making the call is adjudicator Caroline Hamilton.' | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
In this case, the enforcement authority, | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
the London Borough of Enfield, | 0:28:41 | 0:28:42 | |
are contesting your appeal. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:44 | |
They haven't sent a representative to the hearing, | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
but they have submitted evidence and they do want to pursue the matter. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
What they are alleging is that on 25th February 2016, | 0:28:51 | 0:28:56 | |
6.29 in the evening, | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
your vehicle was seen entering and stopping in a box junction. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
'The council have sent photo and video evidence | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
'that they say clearly shows | 0:29:05 | 0:29:07 | |
'Narinder's vehicle in the box junction. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:09 | |
'We can't show the video, but it's OK, | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
'Caroline's pretty clear what happened.' | 0:29:12 | 0:29:14 | |
Once your vehicle comes to a halt, | 0:29:14 | 0:29:16 | |
you're in contravention because you didn't leave the box. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
You're trapped in the box. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:20 | |
The reason that that box is there is to keep the junction clear. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
Essentially, the regulation is this - | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
you mustn't enter the junction | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
until you can see that there's a space for you to leave. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
If you do enter the junction before your space is there, | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
you're taking a risk. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:36 | |
'Narinder doesn't deny that there is a vehicle within the box junction. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:41 | |
'It's just a question of whose car it is.' | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
I don't think that the car they are alleging to have done the violation | 0:29:45 | 0:29:49 | |
was my car. Can you just tell me this? | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
Do you not accept that that is your vehicle? | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
No. You don't accept it's your vehicle? No. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
Yes, I was there. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:00 | |
Just pause. You were there? | 0:30:00 | 0:30:02 | |
You were there on that occasion? | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
Yes, I was on the road. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
What you are saying is you are putting them to strict proof | 0:30:06 | 0:30:08 | |
to show that that vehicle was your vehicle? | 0:30:08 | 0:30:12 | |
'I'm no expert, but Caroline is, | 0:30:12 | 0:30:14 | |
'and she's spotted a flaw in Narinder's explanation.' | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
What the council are saying is that this is the registration number. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:23 | |
I'm not denying that. Do you accept | 0:30:23 | 0:30:25 | |
that that is your vehicle's registration number? | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
Yes. So, what you are saying is that the camera that took it | 0:30:27 | 0:30:31 | |
could have taken it from that vehicle. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
Of course. But that vehicle and that vehicle | 0:30:33 | 0:30:35 | |
are completely different types of car, are they not? | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
'But serial appealer Narinder doesn't think so.' | 0:30:39 | 0:30:43 | |
They both have this light in the middle. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
From the back, they look identical, yeah. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
So, your case is that this car and that car | 0:30:49 | 0:30:51 | |
look identical from the back. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
Yes. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:54 | |
'It feels like stalemate to me. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
'So, there is clearly a vehicle in a box junction | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
'but Narinder doesn't believe it to be his.' | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
'Caroline has to make a decision.' | 0:31:07 | 0:31:09 | |
All right, thank you very much, Mr Marwah. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:15 | |
I am not going to allow your appeal. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:17 | |
I am satisfied that the vehicle that was filmed | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
by the CCTV camera enforcement crew was your vehicle. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
I think you know it was your vehicle. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
What happens now, sir, is that | 0:31:26 | 0:31:28 | |
I am going to set out in writing why I have reached this decision. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
Essentially, it's because I'm satisfied | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
that a contravention did occur. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
'It's not Narinder's day.' | 0:31:36 | 0:31:37 | |
The penalty amount that is due is ?130. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
'But he's not giving up.' | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
From the photograph, it doesn't show that it is my car. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
I understand, sir, that that's your case. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:50 | |
I don't agree with you. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:51 | |
'Nice try, Narinder, but Caroline's having none of it. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
'And now it's going to cost him. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
'For Narinder, that's a ?130 fine.' | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
So, Narinder, unsuccessful. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
Yes. How are you feeling? | 0:32:07 | 0:32:09 | |
I am not feeling very happy. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
But I think... I still hold the view | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
that the photograph sent by the council | 0:32:14 | 0:32:18 | |
did not conclusively prove that it was my car. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
If I can be honest, I was sitting in the background | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
and I was being fairly silent. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:25 | |
I felt watching the footage then, I felt that your argument - | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
and this is my personal opinion, of course - it wasn't a strong one. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
I felt the decision was quite fair. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
Yes, I still hold the view | 0:32:34 | 0:32:36 | |
that it cannot be said with 100% certainty that it was my car. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:41 | |
If you take it as an overall picture now, | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
this is your sixth appeal | 0:32:43 | 0:32:45 | |
and it is only the second time your appeal hasn't been upheld. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:49 | |
So, generally speaking, you definitely come off better off | 0:32:49 | 0:32:51 | |
by appealing every time, haven't you? | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
Yes, of course. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:54 | |
Are you happy to accept it now and that's the end of it? | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
No, I'll see what I can do about it. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
So you might fight this further? I might. OK. Thanks, Narinder. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:05 | |
It's been a pleasure. Thank you. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:06 | |
'It's not a good day for Narinder.' | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
But the same can't be said for everyone. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:10 | |
Almost half of the appeals that are heard here | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
are, in fact, successful. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:15 | |
So, basically, the adjudicator said she has to cancel the ticket. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
Coming here today has gone very smoothly. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:24 | |
I put my point across. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
I got the answer that I wanted | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
and obviously waiting for a letter to confirm that. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:30 | |
Caroline, you're the chief adjudicator here. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:33 | |
Do most people leave here, regardless of the results, | 0:33:33 | 0:33:36 | |
content that they've had the chance to actually speak their mind? | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
Obviously I hope, as a tribunal, is that once you come here, | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
whether your outcome is a refusal or an allow, you leave here, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
as you've said, contented | 0:33:45 | 0:33:47 | |
and with perhaps a better understanding | 0:33:47 | 0:33:49 | |
of why it is the ticket was issued in the first place. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
Unfortunately, of course, there are people who are not happy | 0:33:51 | 0:33:56 | |
and they will never be happy. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
But that is not something that the adjudicators can change, | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
that does happen. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:02 | |
That's life, isn't it? It is life, yeah. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
In Lincolnshire, | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
the beautiful countryside and leafy lanes | 0:34:14 | 0:34:18 | |
have become a haven for fly-tippers. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:20 | |
And one man is waging a war on waste | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
and those unscrupulous tippers. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:26 | |
Steve Clegg is a district councillor. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
I'd say that's probably a commercial waste dump. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:31 | |
My concern there is that it's so close to this main road, | 0:34:31 | 0:34:35 | |
the A17, that, really, it causes a hazard. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
Not only is it unsightly, | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
but it could cause a hazard to the traffic as well. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:43 | |
So it's a safety concern. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:45 | |
Anyone caught fly-tipping could be looking at a fine of up to ?50,000 | 0:34:49 | 0:34:54 | |
and even a jail term | 0:34:54 | 0:34:55 | |
and there's no shortage of tip-offs from the public | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
to help Councillor Clegg track them down. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
Oh, you've got fly-tipping down your fen? | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
Would I be able to have a look at it today? | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
Thanks for the call and we'll see you later. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
Bye. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:11 | |
With 900,000 incidents a year in England alone, | 0:35:11 | 0:35:16 | |
fly-tipping has become a country-wide epidemic. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
And Steve has come out to visit James Bourne, | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
a local farmer who has been the victim of a fly-tip. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
Hiya, James. Nice to see you again. You all right? | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
So, where is it happening, then? | 0:35:35 | 0:35:37 | |
It's just over here. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
Because the grass is grown, you can't see it. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
Oh, right. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:43 | |
Oh, my word! | 0:35:46 | 0:35:47 | |
Someone has fly-tipped a load of waste off the highway, | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
which could contain any number of contaminants. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:59 | |
Without going through it... I don't want to get my hands in it. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
You don't know what's there, do you? You wouldn't want to take the risk. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:06 | |
To make matters worse, the tip could already be affecting | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
the water supply to the farmer's land. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
That's the main drain, you see, that runs along there from Digby. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
Oh, my word. It's going to slip down into the dyke. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
It could seriously pollute | 0:36:18 | 0:36:19 | |
and that's going to go and wash its way into Digby. That's right, yes. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
This waste should have gone to the local tip, | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
but it seems whoever dumped it | 0:36:25 | 0:36:27 | |
just wanted to avoid the drive and a ?20 charge. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
It's just another example of selfish, lazy behaviour. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
It beggars belief that people would go to the effort of coming here. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
Council cutbacks have seen two local waste sites shut down recently. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:44 | |
20,000 vehicles a year used to come to this one alone. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:49 | |
But having to travel a bit further to dump waste | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
is no excuse for fly-tipping. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
It's not long before Steve gets another tip-off. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
Oh, my word. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:01 | |
And, even for him, this one is a shock. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
Absolutely astounding. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
It's blocking a whole road. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:08 | |
Oh, my gosh! | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
It's been tipped right across the roadway. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
Not only is this massive fly-tip blocking a road, | 0:37:20 | 0:37:24 | |
there's an even bigger problem for Steve. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:26 | |
He's spotted some potentially deadly waste. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
You've got asbestos. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:31 | |
We're going to need to get specialist contractors in | 0:37:31 | 0:37:33 | |
to remove this stuff, cos it is so hazardous. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
This is a really substantial expense for the council now | 0:37:36 | 0:37:40 | |
because somebody has decided to dump it here, | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
rather than dealing with it properly. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:45 | |
It's almost as if somebody's shed is here, | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
with the asbestos or garage. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
Yeah, it's an old garage or something. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
This is serious. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
If Steve can find evidence of who is responsible for this pile, | 0:37:55 | 0:37:59 | |
they could be facing a huge fine and time in jail. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
Yeah, more speakers. Somebody who likes their music, I would think. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
Seven tyres, eight tyres. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:08 | |
And more in here. And more in there. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
Oh, my word! | 0:38:12 | 0:38:13 | |
Oh, God... | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
This is incredible! | 0:38:16 | 0:38:18 | |
So, this is obviously an expense that someone saved themselves | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
by just dumping it here and saying, "Thank you very much." | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
You and I can pay for it instead. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
Removing and disposing of asbestos is an expensive business. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
Sadly, it looks like the perpetrator has covered their tracks. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
I doubt there's going to be any evidence in here. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:39 | |
You don't know, but it doesn't look to be if anything is going to be | 0:38:39 | 0:38:43 | |
retrievable that could track it down to who's actually tipped it. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:47 | |
With nothing to identify the culprits, | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
it's looking like the council will have to foot the entire bill | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
to remove this lot. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
It's not quite as simple | 0:38:55 | 0:38:56 | |
as perhaps some of the other things we've seen. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
They'll need to get contractors in who can remove the materials safely. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:05 | |
It's dangerous, it's totally inconsiderate. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
It's unbelievable. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
It might be frustrating, | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
but for Steve and his colleagues at Lincolnshire County Council, | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
the fight against fly-tippers will go on. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
In Wiltshire, | 0:39:28 | 0:39:30 | |
traffic cop Jay Clifton is on patrol. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
He's stationed on a raised police ramp on the side of the busy M4. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:38 | |
It's an observation platform, | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
so from here we can carry out speed checks, | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
I can look at vehicles, I can see the drivers. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:46 | |
So I can see if people are wearing their seatbelts, | 0:39:46 | 0:39:48 | |
I can see if the vehicle's... | 0:39:48 | 0:39:50 | |
or get an idea if a vehicle is overweight. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:51 | |
It's a good place to sit up and watch the world go by, really. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:55 | |
Today, he's on the lookout for speeding motorists. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:59 | |
If he catches any, he can issue them with a ?100 on-the-spot fine | 0:39:59 | 0:40:05 | |
or even a court summons. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:06 | |
And it's not long before he spots what he's looking for. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
That'll do. We'll have him. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
So this driver was clocked at 97mph, | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
but maybe he's finally spotted the cop car in his rear-view mirror. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
Slowed down a lot now. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:30 | |
What I'm going to do is take the vehicle off the motorway | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
and have a chat with the driver in relation to his speed. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
Just get in front of him and use the "follow me". | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
Well, that got the driver's attention. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
Could he be about to get a hefty fine? | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
I need to have a quick chat with you about your speed. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:53 | |
I can see you were travelling faster than the other vehicles | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
on the carriageway and so I formulated the opinion | 0:40:56 | 0:40:58 | |
that you were travelling in excess of the 70mph speed limit | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
for the motorway. Inside here is a little red dot, | 0:41:00 | 0:41:02 | |
I put it on the front of your car, pulled the trigger, | 0:41:02 | 0:41:05 | |
lasers out at one end to the other, | 0:41:05 | 0:41:06 | |
at which point it tells me that - | 0:41:06 | 0:41:07 | |
that you were doing 97mph and that you were 502.6 metres away from me. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:12 | |
Is there any lawful reason you can give me | 0:41:12 | 0:41:14 | |
as to why you are travelling at the speed today? | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
He's in Exeter? | 0:41:22 | 0:41:23 | |
It's about 100 miles to Exeter! | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
That's a lot of miles at a dangerous speed. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:28 | |
Do you think you were going to drive all the way to Exeter at that speed? | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
It's a bit much, isn't it? | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
The problem is, I've never met you before. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:38 | |
I can't validate that story at the moment, can I? | 0:41:39 | 0:41:41 | |
I can obviously make a few calls if I need to. It's the truth. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:45 | |
But if you've got to get to Exeter, | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
you want to get there and see your dad. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:51 | |
What you don't want to do is hit another car at that speed | 0:41:51 | 0:41:54 | |
and end up killing somebody else. No, I agree with you. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
Do you have your licence with you at all? | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
Take a seat there for me. I'm just going to shut these doors | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
so we can have a chat. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:04 | |
Let's take a look at Jay's options here. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
The man was definitely speeding and, at 97mph, | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
Jay does have the option to issue the man with a court summons, | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
meaning he could lose his licence. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:22 | |
But he claims he was on the way to hospital in an emergency. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:27 | |
On this occasion, I'm probably going to take it in the ear for it... | 0:42:27 | 0:42:32 | |
His story checks out and Jay has decided | 0:42:32 | 0:42:34 | |
to give him the benefit of the doubt. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
On this occasion, I'm going to let you go | 0:42:37 | 0:42:39 | |
and that's just me showing a bit of compassion, | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
but I need you to be honest with me and make sure you get there safely. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:45 | |
Do you understand that? | 0:42:45 | 0:42:46 | |
So there's no fine for this driver - just a firm warning. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:54 | |
Something tells me the rest of his journey will be at a sensible 70mph. | 0:42:55 | 0:43:00 | |
It's a tough job, but someone's got to do it. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
Join us next time for Dom On The Spot. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:05 | |
Has anyone got eyes on Lane? | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
What's going to happen to me now? | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
Please! | 0:43:41 | 0:43:42 | |
Move! | 0:43:42 | 0:43:43 |