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Never before have so many on-the-spot fines been issued in Britain.

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I don't have any money for that.

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And we're going to be following the men and women who hand out

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over £30 million worth of tickets every month.

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That gets my goat.

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My jaw is dropping.

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For behaviour that's downright dangerous...

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..simply selfish...

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It's been defrosting a while, that, hasn't it?

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..or just, well, plain silly.

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Get off your phone!

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Doughnut.

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We'll be revealing the cost of their bad behaviour...

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-How much is the fine on this one?

-£100 for no seat belt.

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-Expensive.

-I know, yeah.

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..and how this could affect you.

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I'm on a job. I'm working. I'm a builder.

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The police are on it.

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Out! Your mouth, now!

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The parking wardens are on it.

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Once it's printed, that's it. There's no point arguing the point.

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And I'm on it.

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Put your seat belt on. Cheeky monkeys.

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I'm Dom Littlewood and I'm On The Spot.

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This time I go on the spot beside the seaside...

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How much do you reckon you spend a year in parking tickets? At a guess?

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..where life's a beach for some.

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Well, direct debit, £2,000?

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But life is full of surprises in Pendle.

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Oh, oh-ho!

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Disposable nappies filled with God knows what.

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This is not mine. Not my back garden, not my house, nothing.

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And there's a surprise on the trains.

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That's not your hand on my bum, is it?

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And not just for me.

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Because there's nowhere to hide

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if you've got no ticket to ride.

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You're not listening. I'm not paying £20.

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It's a Bank Holiday weekend

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and I'm in the historical Welsh town of Tenby,

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which has about 5,000 people living here.

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However, on a weekend like this, that number swells by ten times.

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And as you will appreciate, parking can become a nightmare.

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Because, once you've fought through the traffic

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to get to this beautiful part of the world,

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the next challenge is to find somewhere to pay and display.

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That can mean doing battle with Helen and Debs,

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the town's civil enforcement officers.

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How many tickets do you issue a year?

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Approximately about 1,600.

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That's a lot of tickets.

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What's some of the worst excuses you've ever had?

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The best one is in the car park, isn't it?

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In Sainsbury's car park.

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-Yeah.

-You book them for no pay and display

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and they come out and they say,

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"we just went to get change", carrying two big bags of shopping.

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Change, was it?

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Clearly this formidable team don't take any nonsense.

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And with the town quickly filling up

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with holiday-makers armed with their bucket and spades,

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I think we're going to need all the help we can get.

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Rhubarb and custards, I haven't seen those since I was at school.

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I'm just going to get some, all right?

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Just need a spot of refuelling first.

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Well, we are at the seaside.

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Julius Caesar said an army can't go into battle on an empty stomach.

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Refuel. Come on, girls.

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Let's do it.

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Who doesn't like to be beside the seaside?

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But if you're caught parking illegally here in Tenby,

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you could end up having to pay a fine of up to £70.

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I can see a van up here to book.

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-How can you tell from here?

-It's residents' parking

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and I'm pretty sure he doesn't have a permit.

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Cor, I tell you what, there's no flies on you, is there?

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Could this be Debs' first fine of the day?

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This is residents, as you can see.

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Resident permit holders only.

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Eagle-eyed Debs has called it right.

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This van is parked in a residents' only space

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without displaying a permit.

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That could mean this driver is about to get a £70 fine.

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We have to wait five minutes because they could be unloading.

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If this person comes back right now and says, "I'm really sorry",

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-gets in and drives off, they're OK, they're in the clear?

-Yeah.

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It's a game of timing, isn't it?

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The clock is ticking and Debs' fingers are getting twitchy.

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-Oh, look out.

-A minute to go.

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The driver better be quick if he wants to avoid

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a nasty surprise on his return.

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So, once it's printed, that's it?

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-There's no point arguing the point.

-Yes.

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Time's up. It's a £70 fine.

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The ticket has been issued.

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There's nothing they can do as far as you are concerned.

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-They can appeal.

-Yeah.

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And they can go to a tribunal. But you can't retract that?

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Once we've issued the ticket, we will not take the ticket back.

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How many times have people approached you afterwards

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-and been aggressive towards you?

-Not physically, but verbally,

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people will get quite aggressive.

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Especially busy Bank Holiday weekends, the car parks are full,

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they want to go to the beach with the kids, they can't park anywhere

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so they tend to sort of like maybe not read the signs

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and just park there.

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And right on cue, the driver has returned.

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-The bloke is back.

-Yeah.

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And that £70 fine hasn't exactly filled him with sunshine.

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He doesn't look or sound very happy at the moment.

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I might go and have a chat with him in a second.

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But he looks a bit big, this bloke. Wish me luck.

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Obviously your vehicle, yeah?

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It's residents' parking, but they don't provide parking anywhere.

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-It's a tourist town.

-Did you know that you shouldn't park there?

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Were you sort of taking a chance?

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No. I didn't see that till afterwards.

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When you think about it, you haven't really got a leg to stand on,

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-have you?

-Right outside the sign.

-Why did you do it?

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Why didn't you try to find different parking?

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I drove round and round.

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The car park's over there.

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People double-parked and triple-parked

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and blocking people in.

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You must have known you were going to get a ticket?

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-Yeah.

-All right, so at the end of the day,

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it's an expensive parking ticket, isn't it?

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-That's one way of looking at it.

-It is what it is. Adds on to the cost of the holiday, doesn't it?

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Yeah. Cheers, guys.

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He seemed to take that in his stride, didn't he?

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But you could buy a lot of ice-creams for 70 quid,

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so maybe he'll think twice next time.

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But round the corner, on Tenby's seafront promenade...

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Nice view, got to say that.

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..this illegally parked driver doesn't appear to be

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quite so comfortable with the prospect of a fine.

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I mean, he is trying to reverse, but, you know...

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That kerb isn't helping his quick getaway.

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Really...

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Come on, mate. That much.

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Sorry, girls. I just couldn't resist helping.

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This driver has avoided a fine and a dented bumper.

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But further along, Helen and Debs might have more luck

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as they've got their eyes on a regular customer.

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The landlord of this pub...

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-Which pub?

-This pub.

-OK.

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What he'll do, he'll park here, put the boot up...

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-And pretend to be loading.

-And pretend to be loading.

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How long ago did you see him there?

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-A good couple of hours ago.

-Right, OK.

-Because he was loading,

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I could see he had the bottles there, I thought, I'll leave him alone.

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But hang on, if Helen and Debs left him alone,

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what's that on his windscreen?

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-Why has he done that?

-People quite often do.

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I don't know whether they think that will deter us from issuing again

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or not, but it means nothing to us.

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-That one is obviously an old ticket he's kept inside.

-Exactly, yeah.

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So, the old ticket trick hasn't fooled this dynamic duo.

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But it could mean this parking offender is now in the firing line.

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He's on a single yellow line and if he's not back here soon,

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he might be adding another ticket to his collection.

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The funny thing was with this one, he will pay every ticket.

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-He will never quibble.

-He's obviously just putting that down as an occupational hazard, isn't he?

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-How long has he got?

-We have 55 seconds.

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SHOUTING

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Somebody just shouted, he's coming now.

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OK. So, he is...

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Come on, matey. Get a wriggle on.

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By my watch, he's not made it,

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but it looks like Debs is going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

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You actually ran out of time on this.

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You're dead lucky. Why don't you park it down the road?

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Because I can't...

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At this time of year, it's very difficult to park.

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And not only that, I'm... taking bottles back to the...

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How much do you reckon you spend a year on parking tickets?

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At a guess?

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Well, direct debit, £2,000?

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You do two grand a year in parking tickets?!

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-No, no.

-I don't think that yellow bit on the dashboard is going to...

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-That's an old one.

-Yeah, I know.

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-I don't think it's going to work.

-That's last week.

-Is it? Good lord!

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Two grand?!

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Surely you could buy your own parking space for that.

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He might be joking, but given how often Helen and Debs say

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they issue him a ticket, I'm not sure if it's that far off.

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I actually feel quite sorry for the landlord of that pub.

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He came out, but he's spending a fortune on parking tickets

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and it seems like he's trying to unload his vehicle

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and then there's no parking spaces down here,

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so he just leaves it, gets the fine, pays it quickly,

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and just laughs it off. Surely there must be a better way

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for him to do it. I mean, that's a fortune.

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Given the problems we've seen this weekend,

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maybe this guy's got the solution

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to the town's parking problems.

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All right? OK?

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I'm not sticking a ticket under no horse's tail.

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See, no dedication to your job though, is it?

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No dedication at all.

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-No.

-If that was me, parked illegally, that's it.

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You'd lift that tail?

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-If I had to. For the job.

-Yeah.

-Yeah.

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That's the difference. I'm always willing to get my hands dirty.

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I'm getting the impression here that there's too many cars

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for the amount of allocated parking spaces you have.

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You can't have 50,000 parking spaces

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-just for the odd bank holiday weekend.

-Exactly.

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-Totally understand that.

-Yeah, people will queue to come in.

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And by the time they've got in, they might be thinking,

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-"I've had enough of this".

-Yeah.

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"I can't park in the car park because they're full."

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So they'll drive round and they'll just think, well...

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I came in on the 8.37 from Paddington,

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no parking problems then.

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OK, letting the train take the strain isn't going to be the answer

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for everyone making a beeline to the seaside.

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But it does make the trip a whole lot less stressful.

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I feel like I've won an appeal today because I'm working on my patch,

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Central London, and it's a bright and sunny day.

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And I've been invited along by the Driver and Vehicle Standards Agency

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..who will be stopping HGV vehicles coming down the embankment here

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and checking them out to make sure they are roadworthy.

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They've invited me along to observe.

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DVSA inspectors Russell and Graham are working with the police and

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Transport for London to make sure the owners of any dodgy

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or downright dangerous vehicles are hit with a hefty fine

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or even taken off the road altogether.

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-All right?

-Well, that's got to be good news for other road users, surely.

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What are you actually looking out for here?

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What we're basically looking for

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is any type of vehicle that comes along,

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whether it's got something hanging off of it,

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whether it looks to be mechanically defective,

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but basically we are also looking for older vehicles,

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something that might have defects or problems with it.

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-So it's instincts, really, isn't it?

-Yeah.

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Well, these vehicles seem to be in good working order,

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but what about this next one?

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They've just pulled over this Transit with a trailer.

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I'm just going to find out what's going on in here.

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Hello there.

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I'll shut that door. Have you found any faults?

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Yeah, the fact that the vehicle trailer back there

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is over three metres.

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By law, they have to display the height mark in the cab.

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Basically, it's a sticker or plate in here that must say

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"carrying a trailer" that is whatever...3.5 metres.

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-That is correct.

-And it has to say the height.

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Well, that's one strike against this driver.

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And it's possible he's brought along something to drown his sorrows.

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I'm glad to see it's still sealed.

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Oi! Oi!

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What's that doing?

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-It's for the customer.

-It's for the customer!

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Is it? What about for the presenter?

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Fortunately, the cork's still in place,

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so no danger of a drink-driving offence.

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What about that missing sticker?

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It doesn't sound like the crime of the century,

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but there are plenty of low bridges in town,

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so knowing the correct height of your vehicle is vital

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and failing to display the notice

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could mean the driver is in line for a £50 fine.

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So, what will Graham do?

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It's a £50 fine.

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That might wipe the smile off the driver's face.

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Some people might say it's a bit trivial,

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fining this guy 50-odd quid just because he hasn't got

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a sticker in his cab saying how high that is.

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You're right. This isn't a dangerous vehicle, but you've got to think,

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in London, we've got bridges now that are 11 foot, 11 foot 6,

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that has implications particularly in London for low height,

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low bridges, Blackwall Tunnel, places like that,

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where you are always hearing of a vehicle stuck.

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-OK.

-The reason is, they don't know how high they are.

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Fair enough. You've explained that one well.

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So those people who might say it's a bit trivial,

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-you heard it from the man. Yeah?

-Yeah.

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I think he might be in need of that bottle of wine later.

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Graham, can I ask what you thought when you was driving down the road

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and you saw all these high-vis jackets

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and the guy suddenly went "Oi, you - in!"?

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You know, we understand it happens because it has to.

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It's safety. Safety on the roads.

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You're going to get an on-the-spot fine now, aren't you?

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-How do you feel about that?

-It's the law, isn't it? It's the rules.

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You know, you've got to do it, get a sticker and put it in there,

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-so we don't get another one.

-If these people weren't here...

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There's enough danger on the roads.

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-You don't need any more, do you?

-There is. And there's enough motors on the road.

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-Yeah.

-So, yes, it's one of those things, really.

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Well, he seemed to take that well.

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See you later, guys.

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50 quid lighter.

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A bull's-eye, but they've still got a smile on their face.

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But the team have now got some bigger targets in their sights.

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If you see a very nice, clean, quite new, modern vehicle,

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all looks OK, let it go, yeah?

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If it's from a mechanical point of view, yes.

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We wouldn't bother stopping it. We'll go for the more visually...

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It'll be more of the mechanical ones, the older type of vehicles.

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And it looks like Russell's spider sense is tingling.

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With the one that's coming down...

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What is it about that that's caught your eye?

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It's the type of vehicle, obviously in the industry we are after,

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but also potentially how the load is done on it.

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If it's got a load on board.

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-Right.

-So we would go for that kind of thing.

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He's coming in for a check, is he?

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This gentleman is being pulled in here.

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From my, obviously, inexperienced eye, looks pretty clean and tidy.

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So what we'll do is we'll have the mechanical people go around and check it.

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-Yeah.

-Make sure everything is OK on that side of things.

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And they will check his driver's records as well.

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-To make sure he can actually drive a lorry that size.

-That's a point.

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So, OK, the vehicle might be fine, but the driver might not be.

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Potentially.

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So, it's not just the truck that's in for a thorough going over.

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The vehicle checks out.

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But what about the guy behind the wheel?

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I'm getting the impression that you've pulled the lorry over here

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-and it's quite serious, isn't it?

-Yeah, so far,

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we've had drivers' hours offences but more importantly, the police,

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who we share the check with,

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have identified that the vehicle isn't under any insurance.

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This could all spell big trouble for the driver.

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A quick investigation has revealed he's driven more hours

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than he is legally allowed without taking a break.

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But driving without insurance, well, that's an even bigger issue.

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The police have the power to dish out a £300 on-the-spot fine,

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six penalty points, and it could even lead to

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a court appearance with a fine of five grand.

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Just knocked on the door there,

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to see if I could have a chat with the driver, but he's on the phone.

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No doubt, to his boss.

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So, what's the verdict?

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It's a £300 fine for the driver's employers for being uninsured

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and a £200 fine for the driver for not taking enough breaks.

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£500 in total, a very expensive day.

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And to top it all off, the vehicle has been immobilised by the police.

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So the only time that's moving is when another vehicle is towing it

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-away to a compound.

-Or the police officer driving it away.

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-Which they can do.

-The driver of that vehicle will not be getting in it and completing his job.

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No, he'll be on a bus or the underground going back today.

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I doubt he'll have his bus fare, with that sort of fine.

0:15:560:15:59

-Absolutely.

-Who wants that driving past them with no insurance?

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26 tonne, fully loaded, no insurance.

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I've got to be honest with you, sometimes when people get fines,

0:16:040:16:08

I think, "Oh, I feel a bit guilty".

0:16:080:16:09

This one, smack his backside, he needs it, doesn't he?

0:16:090:16:13

Let's see what he has to say for himself.

0:16:130:16:16

Mick, it's not been a good day for you, has it? What's happened?

0:16:160:16:19

No, it hasn't. Just doing my normal delivery collections,

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got pulled in by the old transport police.

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Done the vehicle checks, came over fine,

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come back that I'm not insured for the vehicle.

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Did you have any idea that was the situation?

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No. None whatsoever.

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When you spoke to your boss at the company, what did he say?

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-They were fuming.

-They were under the impression I was insured to drive the vehicle.

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That vehicle that you came in is now going to be towed off to a compound somewhere.

0:16:410:16:45

-Where have you got to get back to?

-I've got to get back to Farnham.

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-OK.

-Which is Surrey.

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So basically, it's Shanks's pony for you, isn't it?

0:16:500:16:52

-Get on the bus or get on the train, whatever.

-That's right.

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-Your boss won't send a vehicle out to pick you up.

-I doubt it, no.

0:16:550:16:57

-It's been an expensive day, hasn't it?

-It has.

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Well, it's a long walk back to Surrey.

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But I'm not sure if I'm that sympathetic.

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Well, the outcome of that vehicle being randomly pulled over today was

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that the driver had been driving around for the last six months

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without company insurance.

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He didn't realise about that, it's his company to blame.

0:17:120:17:15

But think about this -

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would you want something that size driving through your neighbourhood,

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knowing it wasn't insured?

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I wouldn't.

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What do you think of fly-tippers?

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I think they are a disgrace to humanity.

0:17:310:17:33

Fly-tippers? Yes, of course they should be fined.

0:17:330:17:37

Fly-tippers are out of order. There's plenty of places to put it.

0:17:370:17:40

Why would you do that? Just because you can't be bothered

0:17:400:17:44

to either pay someone to collect it or take it yourself.

0:17:440:17:47

No, I'm sorry, it's disgusting.

0:17:470:17:49

Last year, fly-tipping cost us taxpayers a staggering £50 million.

0:17:510:17:57

But Pendle Borough Council in Lancashire have their crack team,

0:17:570:18:01

Jon and Jeff on the case.

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Right, Jon, I've got a phone, I've got a camera, I've got gloves,

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I've got keys, I've got details.

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-We're good.

-I've got my coffee.

-You've got your coffee.

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God, antenna thing went straight into my gonads.

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There's been a tip-off about some fly-tipping on a residential street.

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If they manage to track down the culprit, well,

0:18:290:18:32

they could be looking at a hefty fine.

0:18:320:18:34

-We've got black bin bags that are...

-Yes, it's an alleged fly-tip.

0:18:340:18:38

-Beyond...

-Oh, this one again, is it?

0:18:400:18:43

-Have you been here before?

-Yeah, I've been here before.

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I think so.

0:18:460:18:48

The council can now dish out a whopping £400 penalty notice

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to people caught fly-tipping.

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Ouch!

0:18:540:18:56

As you can see in front of me,

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I've got one, two, three, four, five, six...

0:19:060:19:09

Five, six black bin bags, a couple of white bin bags.

0:19:090:19:12

Looks like there's clothing, all sort of waste in there.

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So we'll have a look and see what we can get.

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Whoever dumped this lot better pray

0:19:170:19:19

they didn't leave any evidence of where they live.

0:19:190:19:22

-I'll do the dirty work and then...

-Are you sure?

-Yeah, yeah.

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What we'll be looking for is

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to see what kind of waste it is

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and if it is waste that has definitely come from a house,

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we'll search it to see if there's any evidence.

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And it's not long before eagle-eyed Jon finds his first clue.

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There you go. Right, this is a medicine bag.

0:19:420:19:44

That will have a prescription on it somewhere, won't it?

0:19:440:19:47

He's taken all the mail out of his envelopes and replaced it with

0:19:470:19:50

crisp packets, but he forgot that he went to the doctors.

0:19:500:19:52

So... Yeah, we'll pop that here.

0:19:520:19:55

We're clearly not dealing with a master criminal here.

0:19:550:19:58

It's been here a while. Look at all the bugs and stuff.

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It's been here a long time, yeah.

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When you get the fly-tipping and the food has decomposed this bad,

0:20:050:20:09

you've got to be careful because when you open the bin bag initially,

0:20:090:20:12

the first thing that will escape will be the spores from the food.

0:20:120:20:15

You've got to just tread a bit more carefully.

0:20:150:20:17

I don't want to get sick.

0:20:170:20:18

Because then it will become more personal, you see.

0:20:180:20:21

But it looks like it's not just spores getting up Jon's nose.

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Scratch my nose, I've got a bug or something...

0:20:250:20:28

Yeah, yeah. On the bridge.

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A little bit to the right.

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Other way. There we go. Go on, get in there.

0:20:320:20:35

That's better.

0:20:350:20:36

Things you have to do.

0:20:360:20:38

With his nose cleared,

0:20:410:20:42

looks like Jon has sniffed out another vital bit of evidence.

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Here we go.

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Yeah.

0:20:500:20:51

Inside of an Easter egg.

0:20:520:20:54

Box was...

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This person's bank details.

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Which has given us the address of the first bit of rubbish

0:20:570:21:00

we found from the first black bin bag.

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So we've now proven that all the waste

0:21:030:21:06

that is here has come from one address.

0:21:060:21:09

So, this bin bag bandit is facing an expensive bill from the council.

0:21:090:21:14

I reckon that deserves a cuppa.

0:21:140:21:16

-Tea bag.

-But that's Yorkshire tea.

0:21:180:21:20

This isn't Lancashire tea. I can tell.

0:21:200:21:22

It's a Tetley tea bag, isn't it? Traitors.

0:21:220:21:25

There you go.

0:21:260:21:28

There you go. That confirms it.

0:21:280:21:30

-This address is just round the corner.

-Yeah.

0:21:300:21:33

That's three bits of evidence, but to add insult to injury,

0:21:340:21:38

the perpetrator has left another surprise.

0:21:380:21:41

Oh! You wish for it and you get it.

0:21:420:21:45

Disposable nappies...

0:21:460:21:47

Filled with God knows what.

0:21:470:21:50

I think I've got a fair idea, Jon.

0:21:510:21:53

Yeah...

0:21:540:21:55

Watch your mouth.

0:21:550:21:57

Time to confront the owner of this disgusting rubbish.

0:21:570:22:01

-Let's give it a knock.

-Hang on. Let me get that on camera.

0:22:010:22:04

Let's go. I will do the window.

0:22:040:22:06

-I've got you covered, mate.

-Right.

0:22:060:22:08

RAPS ON WINDOW

0:22:100:22:12

There's someone in, Jeff.

0:22:140:22:15

There's someone in. He just put his head up there.

0:22:150:22:17

-No?

-I can't hear you, sir.

0:22:190:22:21

-You'll have to open your window.

-Can't hear you.

0:22:210:22:23

-He'll have to come...

-He'll have to either open his window or the door.

0:22:260:22:29

Either way, he's going to speak to us. Whether he likes it or not.

0:22:290:22:33

But it seems this guy really isn't in a talkative mood.

0:22:330:22:37

Oh, right. He's coming.

0:22:380:22:39

Or maybe he is.

0:22:410:22:42

-Who are these people

-BLEEP?

0:22:420:22:45

-I'll tell you now.

-I want to speak to you.

0:22:450:22:47

Is it Mr BLEEP?

0:22:490:22:51

BLEEP

0:22:510:22:52

-Thank you, Mr

-BLEEP.

0:22:520:22:54

-Hang on.

-Can you check that...?

0:22:540:22:56

-Hello, Mr

-BLEEP.

-Hang on.

0:22:580:23:00

INDISTINCT SHOUTING

0:23:000:23:03

See these bin bags here? They are all yours.

0:23:030:23:06

-They're all mine?

-Yes, sir.

0:23:060:23:08

-Get

-BLEEP!

-No, they're not.

0:23:080:23:11

This abusive lad isn't owning up to anything.

0:23:110:23:14

Right, do you want to give this guy a caution now...

0:23:140:23:17

I think we should, actually.

0:23:170:23:19

Speak to you later.

0:23:190:23:21

-They are not my

-BLEEP

-bags!

0:23:220:23:24

Hang on, he's back for more and still denying it.

0:23:240:23:27

I've got documents with your names on.

0:23:270:23:29

What is my name? What's mine?

0:23:290:23:31

This is not mine. It's not my back garden, my house, nothing.

0:23:310:23:35

-Hey...

-See you later, mate.

0:23:350:23:37

-Do whatever you

-BLEEP

-want.

0:23:370:23:39

I'll tell you what, sir...

0:23:420:23:43

Hang on. Would you like to come and speak to us?

0:23:430:23:45

Come and have a chat. Come on.

0:23:450:23:47

That went exactly the way we thought it would go, to be fair.

0:23:510:23:55

The thing is, he's confirmed his name, he's confirmed his address...

0:23:550:23:59

-Yeah.

-We know he lives there.

0:23:590:24:01

"And you haven't got any evidence with my name on it."

0:24:010:24:05

-THEY CHUCKLE

-Oh, dear.

0:24:050:24:07

It's all in the game. It's all in the game.

0:24:070:24:12

Time for Jon and Jeff to head back to the office.

0:24:120:24:15

But that disgruntled dumper

0:24:150:24:17

could be heading for a court appearance and a substantial fine.

0:24:170:24:20

You need a strong stomach in the fight against environmental crime.

0:24:200:24:24

If you've been unlucky enough to come back to your car to find a ticket

0:24:280:24:32

slapped on the windscreen,

0:24:320:24:33

you might think you have no choice but to pay up.

0:24:330:24:37

But there is another option.

0:24:370:24:39

If you think you have been treated unfairly,

0:24:390:24:41

you can come along to a place like this to appeal.

0:24:410:24:45

At the London Environmental and Traffic Adjudicators Tribunal,

0:24:450:24:48

it's their job to make sure that councils are sticking to the rules

0:24:480:24:52

when they give out tickets.

0:24:520:24:54

Martin and his wife Annette are here today to fight their case.

0:24:540:24:58

Nice to meet you, both.

0:24:580:25:00

Tell me about your story. Why are you here?

0:25:000:25:03

We got this parking ticket for parking in a lay-by.

0:25:030:25:05

-On the clearway.

-OK.

0:25:050:25:07

And there's no real markings on it.

0:25:070:25:09

So I thought I was OK to park there.

0:25:090:25:11

-How much is the ticket?

-£65 at the time.

0:25:110:25:13

Right. Now, 130, no doubt, because you are appealing it, yep.

0:25:130:25:17

And then he got a 195 penalty.

0:25:170:25:19

-How come it's gone up?

-Well...

0:25:190:25:21

-Because...

-They said I didn't appeal in time...

0:25:210:25:24

But he did, because they put it all on the record that he has.

0:25:240:25:26

There's the 195 fine.

0:25:260:25:27

Is this the first time you've gone up against them?

0:25:270:25:30

Yes. And I'm regretting the fact that I have done it

0:25:300:25:33

because I could have paid the £65 and just shut up.

0:25:330:25:35

But it was the principle at the time.

0:25:350:25:37

It made me want to follow it through.

0:25:370:25:41

That's interesting. If you could turn the clocks back,

0:25:410:25:43

you would have taken the 65 and just not bothered.

0:25:430:25:45

But obviously, you're going to change your mind,

0:25:450:25:47

should you be successful when you've been to that tribunal.

0:25:470:25:50

What do you think your chances are?

0:25:500:25:52

-Nil.

-Nil?

-Very positive though, isn't he?

-Yeah, be positive.

0:25:520:25:56

There's no point sitting there going, no chance.

0:25:560:25:59

Even if it's 1% chance, or slim chance, have some faith.

0:25:590:26:03

You stopped in the best place possible

0:26:030:26:05

-for the safest reasons and that's it.

-Yes.

0:26:050:26:07

You see, that's a good attitude.

0:26:070:26:09

-Yours...

-I should be there, yeah.

0:26:090:26:11

Leave him behind, you go and fight it yourself.

0:26:120:26:14

-I'll send her in, yeah.

-Yeah, I would. Good luck.

0:26:140:26:18

-Thank you.

-Thanks.

0:26:180:26:20

Martin's given up before he's even started.

0:26:200:26:22

It's a good job he's got Annette with him.

0:26:220:26:24

Martin's case will be judged by Caroline.

0:26:250:26:27

Come through. Hello, Mr Heath.

0:26:270:26:28

Hello, madam. Come and have a seat.

0:26:280:26:30

Registering his appeal

0:26:300:26:32

means Martin's fine actually stands at a hefty £130.

0:26:320:26:36

It's Caroline's job to examine all the evidence

0:26:360:26:39

and decide if Martin should be parted

0:26:390:26:41

from his hard-earned cash,

0:26:410:26:42

or sent off home with it safely tucked in his wallet.

0:26:420:26:45

From my screen I can see that the Transport For London

0:26:450:26:48

are alleging that on the 11th of October...

0:26:480:26:50

..of last year at eleven minutes past eight,

0:26:510:26:53

your vehicle was seen in Colchester Road in Havering

0:26:530:26:55

and it was stopped on a prohibited red route.

0:26:550:26:57

-That's the allegation that you face.

-Yeah.

0:26:570:27:00

London's infamous clearways are marked with double red lines

0:27:000:27:04

and a sign where stopping and parking isn't usually allowed.

0:27:040:27:07

Tell me why you are here, sir.

0:27:070:27:09

They say I was parked in a red route. I was parked in a lay-by.

0:27:100:27:13

-Right.

-So, I was not in the clearway at all.

0:27:130:27:16

Right. Well, this sounds pretty simple.

0:27:160:27:19

The photo should clear this up.

0:27:190:27:21

-Right, is this your vehicle here?

-That's it. Yes.

0:27:210:27:25

And this is...

0:27:270:27:28

Oh, I see, you are parked in...

0:27:310:27:33

Well, as you say, in a lay-by.

0:27:330:27:35

Good start, Martin. Keep it up.

0:27:350:27:37

That's the actual lay-by that I was in.

0:27:370:27:40

-Right.

-It's never been marked out...

0:27:410:27:44

I can't see a red... I can't see a red line.

0:27:440:27:46

There's no red lines on it.

0:27:460:27:47

Where's that, then?

0:27:470:27:49

This is the bus stop, 200 yards up the road,

0:27:490:27:51

which is clearly marked with a red route.

0:27:510:27:54

When you say "up the road", is it further that way?

0:27:540:27:56

Or back that way?

0:27:560:27:58

-There's one on either side.

-Right.

0:27:580:27:59

I drove past that one.

0:28:010:28:03

-I'm a bit puzzled.

-It takes a lot to confuse an adjudicator,

0:28:040:28:08

but I'm not sure if that's good or bad news for Martin.

0:28:080:28:12

Let me just see because

0:28:120:28:13

the photographs that were taken at the scene

0:28:130:28:16

by the enforcement officer are very poor.

0:28:160:28:18

Let me have a look...

0:28:180:28:19

I see, finally. There's a picture of the sign.

0:28:210:28:23

-Of the sign that's...

-Right.

0:28:230:28:26

Which... I knew that I was in the clearway, if I parked on the road,

0:28:270:28:31

I would be causing trouble.

0:28:310:28:33

Right.

0:28:330:28:34

The photographs are very...

0:28:340:28:36

..poor and valueless.

0:28:380:28:39

The photos might not be good enough to use as evidence.

0:28:390:28:42

This could really help his case.

0:28:420:28:44

In fact, your photograph is better than the one...

0:28:440:28:47

The one that I've got. You can't see...

0:28:470:28:49

..what that says. I'm not sure if you can on yours either.

0:28:510:28:53

You might be able to.

0:28:540:28:56

But this photograph seems to show the sign over there...

0:28:570:29:01

-Yes.

-Rather than over there.

0:29:010:29:03

It is alleged that Martin was parked on a red route,

0:29:040:29:07

but he says there are no red lines.

0:29:070:29:09

The evidence has left Caroline scratching her head,

0:29:090:29:12

but who's she going to side with?

0:29:120:29:14

I don't need to trouble you any further.

0:29:150:29:17

It's obviously up to the enforcement authority

0:29:170:29:19

to demonstrate that a contravention occurred.

0:29:190:29:22

And they've got to make sure that restrictions are clear

0:29:220:29:25

and that signage is adequate.

0:29:250:29:26

It seems to me that you parked on what looks to me to be

0:29:260:29:29

somebody else's forecourt.

0:29:290:29:30

And I'm not satisfied that the contravention described

0:29:320:29:36

on the face of the penalty charge notice occurred on this occasion.

0:29:360:29:39

I'm going to allow your appeal.

0:29:390:29:40

Bingo! He's done it.

0:29:400:29:42

Martin can draw a red line through that fine.

0:29:420:29:45

Essentially, what happens now is I'll set out in writing

0:29:450:29:47

why I've reached this decision.

0:29:470:29:49

I'm not saying that you are entitled to park there,

0:29:490:29:52

I'm just saying that the contravention described

0:29:520:29:54

is, perhaps, not what actually occurred.

0:29:540:29:57

Essentially, it directs the enforcement authority

0:29:570:30:00

to cancel the penalty charge notice, so it's over.

0:30:000:30:03

-All right, thank you so much.

-Thank you very much.

0:30:030:30:06

Happy days.

0:30:060:30:07

And to think he almost couldn't be bothered

0:30:070:30:09

to fight it in the first place.

0:30:090:30:11

It's a good job he had his secret weapon with him.

0:30:110:30:13

Do you know what? I'm going to stand next to you, Annette.

0:30:130:30:16

-Oh, yes?

-Because you went in there and you were confident.

0:30:160:30:19

Ye of little faith.

0:30:190:30:21

Zero chance.

0:30:210:30:22

-All right?

-Victorious.

0:30:220:30:24

-My photos.

-Your photos.

0:30:240:30:26

You said, "No chance."

0:30:260:30:28

You said, "Slim chance."

0:30:280:30:30

How do you feel? Good, because I think she did a really good job.

0:30:300:30:33

I mean, she could see it wasn't very clear, as well.

0:30:330:30:36

She thought it was a dealership.

0:30:360:30:38

Well, I did. Well, I'm pleased with the outcome, very much.

0:30:380:30:41

-And now you're pleased you didn't pay £65.

-I'm pleased I didn't pay the 65. Yes.

0:30:410:30:46

I think you deserve to take Annette out

0:30:460:30:48

-for a nice big slap-up dinner, don't you?

-Yes!

0:30:480:30:50

I do. And a bit of shopping.

0:30:500:30:52

You see? She's got it all organised, right?

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-And a nice glass of bubbly.

-Oh, yes.

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-As for you, next time, be more confident.

-Park at the clearway!

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-Go out.

-Thanks very much.

-Get down the shops quick,

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before he changes his mind.

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-Yeah, will do.

-Thanks, Annette. Well done.

-Thanks very much.

-Take care.

-Cheers. Cheers, guys.

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And it just goes to show you, if you think you've got a case, fight it.

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Meet Dave Sherry.

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The amateur headcam cyclist trying to keep the roads around Harlow

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safe from drivers breaking the law.

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I'm sorry, but you drive like an idiot,

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you will get treated like an idiot

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and you will be dealt with accordingly.

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But not everyone is pleased to see him.

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Am I?

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That hasn't deterred this Batman of the byways.

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Dave patrols the road with his helmet cam,

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sending footage to the police.

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The beauty between me and a copper is they ride around all day,

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I have to sit like a pot plant...

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If they have enough evidence, they'll issue fines.

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Probably got over 300 convictions now, so on the road to many.

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He might be known as the most hated man on two wheels,

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but Dave has a very good reason for taking to the street

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with his own brand of minicam-fuelled justice.

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I was on my way to nursery with my baby boy on the back of the bike

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and some idiot done a close pass.

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I felt intimidated, threatened by that.

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So I thought I'd turn the tables and ever since then,

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I've never looked back.

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Out on patrol, Dave soon gets his first catch of the day.

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A driver on a mobile phone,

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which carries a possible fine of £200

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and six points on your licence.

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Being reported for a hand-held device, yeah?

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You are on camera today

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using a hand-held device whilst in control of a motor vehicle.

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You got good drivers, you got bad drivers.

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And I seem to have a knack for catching the bad drivers out.

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Oi, oi. There's another one.

0:33:170:33:18

Hello.

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You've got children in the car, you're using a hand-held device.

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You are four times more likely to be in a crash if you use your phone,

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but doing it with kids in the back?

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Unbelievable.

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I explained to her that she shouldn't be using a mobile device

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and she said sorry. Not sure this young lady deserves a fine though.

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I don't think she's going to kill anyone, do you?

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No, but that guy who just ran a red light might.

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You couldn't make it up, could you?

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People say, "Have you got no conscience?"

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I didn't ask them text and drive

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and do things they shouldn't do, but...

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He's on a phone, look. Turn round, quick.

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Idiot, idiot.

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Idiot. That gets my goat.

0:34:060:34:09

When Dave gets home from work,

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it's time to upload and report offenders

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that he's caught that day to the police.

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Police guidance states that you should check

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with your local force first but, in general,

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as long as civic-minded individuals, like Dave,

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aren't endangering themselves or the public,

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then the police are happy to receive evidence of motoring offences.

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Yes, see the glare? Yeah. This one's a flop.

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Got to have enough evidence.

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Evidential. Sometimes you've just got to bin it.

0:34:380:34:41

A lucky escape for that truck driver, then.

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But what about that silver Nissan he clocked earlier?

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That's the car, there, we are watching.

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And as you can see,

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in his right hand, a hand-held device.

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Pretty clear-cut then.

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And if the police decide to act,

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this driver could be getting a fixed penalty notice through the post.

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Move it, move it, move it.

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Move it. Six points, £200 fine.

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Dave also spied a lady in a grey car.

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And this one, I noticed the vehicle was swerving a little bit.

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Telltale sign.

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There we go. She's got a nice big mobile device.

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She's looking down there.

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They think being discreet,

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putting the mobile phone up against the driver's door makes them safe.

0:35:270:35:30

It makes them stick out more, like a sore thumb.

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Again, if the police take action,

0:35:340:35:36

then this lady could be set for a £200 fine

0:35:360:35:39

and six points on her licence.

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While Dave won't win any popularity contests,

0:35:420:35:45

he's doing this for the right reasons.

0:35:450:35:47

And if it makes people think twice about driving like idiots,

0:35:510:35:54

then I'm all for it.

0:35:540:35:55

It's been a very good day, very productive.

0:36:000:36:03

And lots of bad drivers

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who are now going to be put through the court process.

0:36:040:36:07

And the roads are going to be that little bit safer.

0:36:070:36:11

Taking the train and not pay is not an option. We have to pay.

0:36:170:36:21

You have a duty to pay your taxes and the same way,

0:36:210:36:24

you have your duty to pay your fares.

0:36:240:36:26

I think that if they are not doing that,

0:36:260:36:28

then they are actually causing the whole system

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not to work effectively.

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Anybody that's on a train,

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they've intentionally got on the train without paying,

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then they should be fined.

0:36:360:36:37

In Birmingham, 100,000 people travel on London Midlands trains

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every single day.

0:36:450:36:47

The thing is, not all of them want to pay for their journey.

0:36:470:36:50

But ticket dodgers better watch out because the fare evasion team

0:36:500:36:54

are on your trail, and if they catch you, you're going to get a fine.

0:36:540:36:59

We are just about to board the 7.21 train to Walsall here,

0:36:590:37:03

where the three revenue officers

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are going to literally sweep the train

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and find out if anybody is fare evading,

0:37:060:37:08

or putting their feet on the seats,

0:37:080:37:10

or even just sitting in first class with a standard ticket.

0:37:100:37:13

Morning.

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Fare evasion is a massive problem in the UK.

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It costs train companies over £200 million a year.

0:37:180:37:22

So it's down to revenue officers like Saf, Annabel and Jelle

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to make sure people are actually paying for their journeys.

0:37:260:37:30

Right, I'm going to hang in the background here.

0:37:340:37:36

Have your tickets and passes, please, guys.

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Passengers travelling without a ticket

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could be slapped with a £20 penalty fare.

0:37:410:37:44

-All good?

-Yes.

0:37:450:37:46

It seems quiet so far.

0:37:480:37:50

Morning. But it seems like there's a reason for this.

0:37:500:37:52

On this particular route, most people will have tickets

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and that's because of the fact there are barriers at Birmingham New Street,

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which means it's very hard for people to get through,

0:37:580:38:00

in the first place,

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but as we get further down the line,

0:38:020:38:03

a lot of the stations don't have barriers

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and that's when people try their luck.

0:38:050:38:07

Looks like it's standing room only

0:38:100:38:12

as rush-hour really starts to kick in.

0:38:120:38:15

It's packed, isn't it?

0:38:150:38:16

That's not your hand on my bum, is it?

0:38:170:38:18

No, you'd be lucky.

0:38:180:38:19

Righto. Righto.

0:38:190:38:21

But if you think a busy train

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makes it easier for fare dodgers to get away with it, think again.

0:38:230:38:27

Looks like someone's been caught without a ticket.

0:38:270:38:30

You look like you are not worried about the fine.

0:38:300:38:32

-No, it's fine.

-Is it something that you do quite regularly?

0:38:320:38:35

-No, I'm just late today.

-I just...

0:38:350:38:37

-Yes. How much would be fare normally be?

-£2.60.

0:38:370:38:40

So you basically paid ten times what it should have been.

0:38:400:38:43

-Yes, about that.

-Yeah, OK.

-Yeah.

-A £2.60 fare to 20 quid...

0:38:430:38:46

-It's expensive, isn't it?

-Yeah, got the money, so it's fine.

0:38:470:38:50

-And is this the first time you've ever been stopped?

-Yeah.

0:38:500:38:53

-Will it make any difference now, what's happened?

-No. No.

0:38:530:38:56

So, it's this bloke's first £20 penalty fare.

0:38:580:39:01

Not a cause for celebration, but he does seem pretty calm about it.

0:39:010:39:05

And the penalties keep on coming.

0:39:070:39:09

-What's going on here, Saf?

-This lady has just travelled from Walsall.

0:39:090:39:12

She said the ticket machine wasn't working,

0:39:120:39:14

but there is a ticket office there.

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And you are liable to a £20 penalty fare notice.

0:39:150:39:18

-Where is it you're travelling to?

-University.

-The University, yeah.

0:39:180:39:22

Broken ticket machines are a common excuse for not having a ticket,

0:39:220:39:26

but Saf's having none of it.

0:39:260:39:28

You just got done there for 20 quid.

0:39:280:39:30

To be honest, a lot of people buy their tickets on the train anyway.

0:39:300:39:33

Normally, you just pay the normal amount.

0:39:330:39:36

But isn't that a case of some you win, some you lose?

0:39:360:39:39

And quite often you get away with no fares? Being honest.

0:39:390:39:41

-Yeah.

-And how often do you get away with no fares?

0:39:410:39:43

-Quite a lot.

-Any hard feelings?

-A bit bitter.

0:39:430:39:46

Well, maybe next time she should buy a ticket,

0:39:480:39:50

because a £20 fine is even harder to swallow.

0:39:500:39:53

And it's not long before Saf catches another ticketless passenger.

0:39:540:39:58

You need to buy your ticket before you get on the train.

0:39:580:40:01

Looks like they've got somebody here who has not only bunked his fare,

0:40:020:40:05

but is arguing the point.

0:40:050:40:06

I'm more than happy to buy a ticket...

0:40:060:40:08

The point I'm trying to make to you is you need to...

0:40:080:40:11

Yeah, next time I will bear that in mind,

0:40:110:40:13

but I'm not paying £20.

0:40:130:40:15

So, despite being caught red-handed after getting on the train

0:40:160:40:20

without buying a ticket, this guy is not happy.

0:40:200:40:23

You are not listening to what I'm saying.

0:40:240:40:26

I am not paying this fine, £20.

0:40:260:40:28

He says he was in a rush and thought he could buy a ticket on the train.

0:40:290:40:33

Will Saf let him off this time?

0:40:330:40:35

There is going to be a penalty fare notice.

0:40:350:40:37

Yeah, that's a fine,

0:40:370:40:39

but the passenger doesn't really want to pay up.

0:40:390:40:42

Like I said to you, I'm not going to charge you £20 today...

0:40:420:40:46

There's 21 days to pay or appeal.

0:40:460:40:48

If you write it out then, I will just appeal it, OK. That's fine.

0:40:480:40:51

OK, that's fine. Have you got any ID on you?

0:40:510:40:53

-Got ID?

-OK, can I see your ID? Yes, please.

0:40:530:40:56

-What actually happened?

-I just got on the train, like I do every day.

0:40:590:41:02

I've just gone to purchase my ticket and he said that it's a penalty fare.

0:41:020:41:05

I said but I get the train every day and buy my ticket on the train.

0:41:050:41:08

Every day. And I've never had an issue.

0:41:080:41:10

Is it just a case of you trying your luck

0:41:100:41:12

and every now and again you get caught?

0:41:120:41:14

Nah. Not particularly.

0:41:140:41:15

It's more so that I'm too lazy to stop at the top.

0:41:150:41:17

-If I'm honest, like.

-And how much would this fare normally cost you?

0:41:170:41:20

I think it's £4.90, something like that.

0:41:200:41:21

So it's cost you four times as much.

0:41:210:41:23

Will this mean now that you're going to

0:41:230:41:25

continue the way you've been doing it,

0:41:250:41:27

which is, hopefully, buying your ticket on the train,

0:41:270:41:30

or will you be getting it in future in advance?

0:41:300:41:32

To be honest, I would probably jump in advance,

0:41:320:41:34

I don't fancy paying £20 on top, like.

0:41:340:41:36

It sounds like he's been doing that for quite a while.

0:41:360:41:40

Well, until today, that is.

0:41:400:41:42

It's pretty obvious he tries his luck

0:41:420:41:43

-and every now and again, he gets a slap on the wrist.

-Yeah, yeah.

0:41:430:41:46

You can kind of understand where he's coming from.

0:41:460:41:48

Yeah. Because his station is normally an unmanned station

0:41:480:41:51

but, at this time in the morning, it is manned.

0:41:510:41:53

So that's the first question I asked him,

0:41:530:41:55

"Why didn't you purchase your ticket?"

0:41:550:41:56

And he said, "I ran down for the train."

0:41:560:41:58

He didn't actually attempt to purchase the ticket.

0:41:580:42:00

Hence the reason why we've got to go down this process.

0:42:000:42:03

-It's a warning.

-Yeah.

0:42:030:42:04

And along with a warning comes a very inconvenient £20 penalty fare.

0:42:060:42:10

We've only been on the train for an hour

0:42:100:42:13

and the team have already dished out 15 fines.

0:42:130:42:17

But Annabel reckons she knows why

0:42:170:42:18

so many passengers are trying their luck.

0:42:180:42:21

You don't think the penalties are strong enough.

0:42:210:42:23

-I don't think so.

-No, it's not a big enough...

0:42:230:42:25

It's not a big enough deterrent.

0:42:250:42:27

It's too easy.

0:42:270:42:29

They're not getting caught. And if they are caught, it's a £20 fine,

0:42:290:42:32

it might be £20 once in six, three months.

0:42:320:42:35

Right, I suppose what surprised me there

0:42:400:42:43

is how many people got on the trains without buying a ticket

0:42:430:42:46

and thought it would be OK to buy one if a guard happens to get on.

0:42:460:42:49

That's all for today.

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Join me next time when I'll be out

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with the men and women who issue Britain's on-the-spot fines.

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