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Never before have so many on the spot fines been issued in Britain. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:07 | |
You're about to fine me. I don't have any money for that. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
Come here. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:11 | |
We're going to be following the men and women who hand out | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
over ?30 million worth of tickets every month. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
That gets my goat. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:19 | |
My jaw is dropping. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
For behaviour that's downright dangerous... | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
..simply selfish... | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
It's been defrosted a while, that, hasn't it? | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
..or just, well, plain silly. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
Get off your phone! | 0:00:32 | 0:00:33 | |
Doughnut. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:35 | |
We'll be revealing the cost of their bad behaviour... | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
How much is the fine on this one? ?100 for no seat belt. It's expensive. I know, yeah. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
..and how this could affect you. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
I'm in the middle of a job. I'm working. I'm a builder. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
The police are on it... | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
Open...your mouth now! | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
..the parking wardens are on it... | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
So once it's printed, that's it. There's no point arguing the point. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
..and I'm on it... | 0:00:55 | 0:00:56 | |
Put your seat belt on! | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
Cheeky monkeys. | 0:00:58 | 0:00:59 | |
I'm Dom Littlewood and I'm On The Spot. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
This time, in Cardiff, it's a fag butt bonanza. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
And people do it blatantly, right in front of you... | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
I've got one. Like somebody obviously just has. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
Someone's in trouble. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
Belt up or pay up. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
Yep, that's the message from the traffic police. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
Your internal organs will carry on going... | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
Yeah. So, if you're bouncing backwards and forwards | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
because you've not got a seat belt on, | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
you're going to bleed to death. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:27 | |
And it's a case of, "Wild? They're absolutely furious!" down in Devon. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:32 | |
You can't shoot them, you can't hang them, you can't do anything about it, can you? | 0:01:32 | 0:01:37 | |
You know, human rights and all that jazz. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
The number of smokers in the UK is falling, | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
but over 1,200 tonnes of cigarette butts | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
are still ending up on our streets every single year. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:51 | |
25% of smokers don't even think it's classed as littering | 0:01:51 | 0:01:55 | |
to flick your fag butt on the ground. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
But perhaps an ?80 fine might make them think differently. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
What do you think of folk who throw fag butts in public places? | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
Disgusting. Oh. How much should they be fined? | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
?90,000. No, in reality, ?500. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
What, for dropping a cigarette butt? Yeah. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
People just dump stuff on the street | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
and expect the council to take it away, | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
which, of course, affects our council tax, | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
because somebody's got to pay for it. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
Just looking around wherever you are, wherever you are in the world, | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
there's always cigarette ends on the floor. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
So, if people were fined for doing it, then, yeah, I think it would be a good thing. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
Well, being a smoker, unfortunately, | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
I'm one of them people that, when I have a cigarette, I throw the butt, | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
but I always throw the butt in the roadway | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
because that keeps the bloke employed | 0:02:39 | 0:02:40 | |
who comes and sweeps the roads, obviously. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
Well, the fact is, mate, fag butts are litter. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
Councils all over the UK are fighting the scourge of cigarette butts. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:52 | |
The capital of Wales is no different, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
and it's an expensive battle. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
Cardiff Council spend over ?5 million a year | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
clearing up litter from their streets. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
And today I'm working with | 0:03:03 | 0:03:04 | |
waste enforcement officers Steph and Lauren, | 0:03:04 | 0:03:06 | |
who are going to try and help put a stop to that. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
This pair can sniff out a discarded dog end from 1,000 paces, | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
and can dish out ?80 fines to anyone they catch in the act. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
You dropped your gloves. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
Oh. Cheers. Thanks. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
Hang on - fixed penalty. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
Right, fixed penalty, come on! | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
But forget the odd dropped glove, | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
these ladies are really on the lookout for butts. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
Fag butts, obviously. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
There's a guy down here smoking, in the black. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:43 | |
Fag ends account for pretty much half of street litter, | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
with around 200 million chucked away each day. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
Crikey, that's a lot of butts! | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
Fag butt alert! And they've only been on patrol for five minutes. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
It's on the floor. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
Let's see what this guy has to say for himself. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
Was just crossing the road with the girls, we turned round, | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
and, lo and behold, there was a guy standing there, | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
watching us all across the road. Bang! Cigarette on the floor. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
So, they've now gone into the shop to try and get him out | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
to have a chat with him. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
So, what was odd about it was, it was right in front of them. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
They've got "Waste Enforcement Officers" all over their jackets, | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
so, no excuse, bang to rights. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:23 | |
Hiya. All right? | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
It's just about the cigarette that you dropped. OK. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
Yeah, obviously, that's an offence of littering. Right. OK? | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
As you can see, the litter bin has got ashtrays on the top. OK. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
So, if you could use them in the future. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
So, let's review the evidence. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
Man smoking. Man throws fag end on the floor. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
It's an ?80 fixed penalty, discharges your liability. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
You don't have to pay it. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:52 | |
If you don't pay it, it does go to court. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
If you pay it, it doesn't go to court. All right? | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
It's a bit like a speeding fine. All right. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
So, first fine of the day, | 0:04:59 | 0:05:00 | |
and they've only been here five minutes. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
Right. You realise now you've been fined 80 quid for that? | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
Yeah, but that's ridiculous. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
I don't know. It's a lot of money, isn't it? It is. So, in future, | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
is it going to stop you throwing your cigarettes on the floor? | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
It is. OK. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
I suppose, in some ways, it's a painful lesson. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
Exactly. Spread the message out there, tell people, | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
don't throw your fag butts down because there's a couple of ladies | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
out here who are going to jump on you when it happens, you know? I know. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
Or give up smoking. Cheaper altogether! Ha-ha! | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
Well, fair play to him. He took it on the chin | 0:05:29 | 0:05:31 | |
and I reckon he's learned his lesson. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
Someone like him would probably throw litter in the bin... | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
Yeah. But cigarette butts, he thinks it's all right. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
Most people will throw litter in the bin. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
It's frowned upon, but everyone throws cigarette on the floor, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
and that's why people think it's normal. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:44 | |
It's changing their behaviours. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
It's getting the message out there. Yeah. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:47 | |
And if anyone can get the message out there, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
it's litter detectives extraordinaire, Steph and Lauren. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
Your job - are you quite passionate about it, or is it just a job? | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
I'm... I don't like littering. | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
Never have, even when I was younger. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
Don't like it at all. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
I don't like to see dirty places. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
So, yeah, I think I am quite passionate about it. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
Where's she gone? | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
Lauren's just spotted this guy dropping his fag butt | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
on the floor right behind us. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
Has she got eyes on the back of her head? | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
I tell you what, she misses nothing. She is... | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
Oh! Out comes the fine pad. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
..if you don't mention, when questioned, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
something that you later rely on in court. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
Anything you do say will be given in evidence. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
Do you understand? Yes. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:28 | |
All of a sudden, Lauren there was gone like a ferret. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
She spotted this guy, who literally walked past. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
He's gone - pff! - with his cigarette butt. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:36 | |
She doesn't miss a trick and, lo and behold, he is getting an ?80 fine, | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
by the looks of it. And I think he was on his way into church. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
The confession box, I hope. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
Well, praying won't do much good, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
because this guy just might be on the receiving end of the second fine | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
these ladies have dished out in 15 minutes. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
You've done it right in front of them, | 0:06:55 | 0:06:56 | |
which is, when you think about it, bad, | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
but then you were saying you didn't even realise it was an offence. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
No. So, what do you think would be fair? | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
Maybe a warning for the first occasion, and that. OK. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
You know what I mean? Just the scare of the ?80 penalty would be enough, I think. Yeah. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
It is going to change your attitude to...? | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
Yeah. Thanks for talking to us. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
Appreciate it. I'm sorry about the money. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
It's bonkers how many people don't see cigarette butts as littering, | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
but your nicotine-filled fag end takes up to 12 years to degrade. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:24 | |
Yuck. It's obvious, but for some reason, | 0:07:24 | 0:07:25 | |
people just tend to be that little bit ignorant about it, don't they? | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
Yeah. Which is a bit of a sad thing, isn't it? You know? Oh, well. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
Onwards and upwards. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:34 | |
Cor, it's a lot warmer this side, isn't it? | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
But there's no rest for the wicked. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:41 | |
Especially not these two. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
Sometimes you can literally just stand here, watch the high street, | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
and people do it blatantly, right in front of you... I've got one. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
Like somebody obviously just has. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:51 | |
OK. Someone's in trouble. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
I can't believe it. Not another one! | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
That cigarette that you threw on the floor. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
Just need to speak to you about this. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:03 | |
Obviously, it's an offence of littering. Are you aware of that? | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
No. I didn't know that. No? Are you going to give me a fine? | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
It's going to be an ?80 fixed penalty notice. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
Yeah. So, do you know that is littering, the cigarettes, no? | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
No, I didn't. There's nowhere else to put them, is there? | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
Nowhere to put it? There's a bin over there. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
I ain't going to stay here. You're writing it down. Just give me a ticket. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
Just try and use a bin next time, | 0:08:22 | 0:08:23 | |
because it costs a lot of money to pick it up, all right? | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
Yeah. All right, sorry about that. Have a nice day. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
That's three lots of ?80 up in smoke | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
and we've only been here 45 minutes. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
How do you feel? Like, I would have picked it up on the floor, | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
just then, and put it in the bin if the woman asked me. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
I didn't know. I didn't think of it. I wouldn't think of it like that. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
Now, I would put it in the bin. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:44 | |
If you had other rubbish, say like that bottle of drink there... | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
I'd put it in the bin, yeah. I would. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
So, that's really annoyed you. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:50 | |
Will it stop you doing it again, though, in the future? Yeah, of course. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
I do feel sorry for you. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:54 | |
Obviously, no-one wants to see anyone getting a fine. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
It's 80 quid, isn't it? But for the sake of a fag... | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
It was an expensive fag, wasn't it? | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
It was. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
This bunch seem to have learned their lesson. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
So, hopefully, a small dent in the 120 tonnes of fag ends | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
that get chucked every day. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
Stop it, people, or this pair will be after you. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
The girls' shift is over. They've finished for the day. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
They've given out quite a few tickets today. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
Sadly all for the same thing. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:21 | |
People throwing cigarette butts on the floor. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
It's an ?80 fine. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
The message is getting through, but it's a painful one. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
In the seaside town of Sidmouth in Devon, | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
there's been a wave of anti-social behaviour. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
Theft, harassment, and grievous bodily harm. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:43 | |
Criminals hanging around in gangs, waiting to strike. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
Seagulls have become a menace in our towns and cities | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
as they patrol the skies looking for food. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
And, occasionally, local people have been caught in the crossfire. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
But feed the gulls here, | 0:10:01 | 0:10:02 | |
and you could be in for a hefty fine. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
Former Exmouth town councillor Ian Stewart | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
was visiting Sidmouth with his wife and two grandsons | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
when they decided to stop and grab a sandwich. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
My grandson and I were sitting there, and I got the crab sandwich, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:21 | |
and was just about to take a bite out of it, | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
and I remember feeling and hearing a thud. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
And then this flash of white. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
And Henry looked and said, "Why have you got blood on your arm, Papa?" | 0:10:33 | 0:10:38 | |
It was warm, I'd got a T-shirt on, | 0:10:38 | 0:10:39 | |
and I looked down, sure enough, there was the blood. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:44 | |
Suddenly, it all clicked into place, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
that I'd been attacked. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
I'd been attacked by a gull. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:53 | |
It looked a lot worse than it was, but, given where it was, you know, | 0:10:56 | 0:11:03 | |
you eat through there... | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
Thank God it was me and not Henry. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
The mugging from above left Ian dazed and confused, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
but he was lucky to get away relatively unscathed. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
And Sidmouth's local businesses are also suffering | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
the wrath of these flying foragers. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
Seagulls are being a complete pain, to be honest. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
What I call rats in the sky. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:28 | |
Such a nuisance, they are taking food off the customers, off the plates. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
They are also coming around eating the ice creams. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
They have got this certain kind of technique, | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
how they can fly behind customers, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:37 | |
and they sort of swoop in one, kind of, motion, | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
take the food and fly away at the same time. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
But local town councillor Simon Pollentine | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
thinks the gulls are victims of bad press. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
It's become higher profile. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
There's been incidences of David Cameron | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
having his chips nicked in Cornwall, somewhere. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
And it's not just chips. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:01 | |
This cheeky chappie was seen at a bakery near Newcastle | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
helping himself to a packet of crisps. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:07 | |
Hang on, he hasn't paid for those! | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
I don't think seagulls attack people. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
I think what we have here is... | 0:12:12 | 0:12:13 | |
..a situation where the gulls are in the wrong place. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
They should be out on the cliffs, nesting | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
and there is a very ready source of food for them here. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:25 | |
I think this is purely food driven. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:27 | |
So, perhaps is not the birds' fault. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
After all, they need to eat, too. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
And some people have even encouraged the birds by feeding them. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
We have told some people. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:40 | |
We have actually gone and told them explaining to them | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
that there is a problem, please don't feed them. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
Most of them laugh it away, or say, | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
"Look, we're here on holiday, we like to feed the seagulls." | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
I don't think people really understand | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
what they are doing, the damage they are doing in the seafronts. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
It's led the council to introduce new rules. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
Those caught feeding a seagull here | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
could be hit with an ?80 on the spot fine. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
And the new penalties seem to be welcomed by the locals. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
I have personal experience. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:10 | |
My grandson came to visit me and burst into tears | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
when a seagull swooped down and ate his ice cream. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
You can't shoot them, you can't hang them, | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
you can't do anything about it, can you? | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
You know, human rights and all that jazz. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
Er, I don't think we need to go that far. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
But what about the fine? | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
Is ?80 enough to stop people feeding them? | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
Well, why don't you make it a round hundred, for goodness' sake? | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
You know, ?80. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:35 | |
You know? ?100 at least. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:36 | |
Possibly ?200. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:39 | |
?200?! | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
Gordon Bennett! You wouldn't have any money left for an ice cream. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
My view is that, now they have got the signs up, | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
and the bylaw is in place, if they had a season's blitz on it, | 0:13:47 | 0:13:52 | |
that would send a very good message that we've introduced this, | 0:13:52 | 0:13:57 | |
and we're actually going to follow it up, and we will fine you. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:01 | |
But the locals here want to call a truce. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
They're hoping to find a way to live alongside their feathered friends. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
I think seagulls, gulls generally, are amazing. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
They are all here on the shoreline, flying up and dropping mussels, | 0:14:12 | 0:14:17 | |
and I say, "Great, that's what you should be doing." | 0:14:17 | 0:14:22 | |
But they don't listen. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:24 | |
Until the time comes when we can live together in harmony... | 0:14:26 | 0:14:30 | |
..when you're at the seaside, keep an eye on your lunch, | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
or you could be going home hungry. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
Today, I'm on traffic patrol with Greater Manchester Police, | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
who are always on the lookout for dangerous drivers. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
But nowadays, if you are caught | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
using your mobile phone when driving, | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
or speeding, some bigger than ever fines might be heading your way. | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
I always enjoy my trips up north, | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
and especially when I get the chance to drop into Manchester, | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
home to two fantastic football teams. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
Well, three if you count Man City. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
I'm here on patrol with PC Matt Picton | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
and though the city is set to be the fastest-growing in the north, | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
it doesn't look like we're in a hurry to go anywhere today. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
What are we doing here, then, Matt? | 0:15:20 | 0:15:22 | |
OK, it's got to, sort of, half past four, | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
so, obviously, the roads are getting busy now, | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
so the chances of us getting to places anywhere quickly | 0:15:28 | 0:15:33 | |
are pretty slim, to be fair. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
So, rather than us sitting in standing traffic... | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
..we'll plot up on a major arterial route. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
So, the M6O2 is in that direction... | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
Yeah. Manchester United and the city is in that direction. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
And we'll just monitor traffic. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:52 | |
Coming through, passing by. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
So, the usual - mobile phones, seat belts. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
Seat belts?! Do people still not wear them? | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
I can't believe that. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
To promote any good driving... | 0:16:04 | 0:16:05 | |
And there's a gentleman just gone past with no seat belt on. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
God, you've got eagle eyes. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:09 | |
I stand very much corrected. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
Although, it doesn't make it any easier to understand. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
The law was brought in in '83. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
34 years ago. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
Why would you not want to wear your seat belt? | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
It doesn't really make sense, does it? No. It's madness, to me. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
If you've not got your seat belt on and you are involved in a collision, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
and you travel forwards, your internal organs will carry on going. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
So, if you are bouncing backwards and forwards | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
because you've not got a seat belt on, | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
you're going to get massive trauma in your internal organs, | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
and potentially bleed to death. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
It's not like it interferes with your driving, or anything, these days. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
Surely the car's bleeping at him all the time. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
Sometimes they fasten them behind them, | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
but most advanced warning systems in cars, | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
they don't bleep for any longer than, sort of, 30 seconds. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
Obviously, he's quickly putting his seat belt on, isn't he? | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
He's just put it on now, hasn't he? | 0:16:59 | 0:17:00 | |
Which is pretty pointless when we've already seen him. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
Matt's right. I'd definitely say that not only has that horse already bolted, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
it's done a few laps of the Grand National, too. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
I'm guessing this driver must have a very good excuse | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
why he's refused to belt up. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:14 | |
Do you know why I've stopped you? No. Not wearing a seat belt? | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
Yeah. Why do you not wear your seat belt? | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
Come on. Honestly, I don't know. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:20 | |
It's not like it interferes with your driving or anything, is it? | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
Right, OK. Is it your car? Yeah. Is it registered and insured to you? | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
Yeah. Right, OK. Do you have your licence or anything with you? | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
Good to hear he's instantly admitted he did it. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
Come and take a seat in the car. Yeah. On that side, mate, yeah. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
34 years ago, 1983, | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
is when it became an offence not to wear your seat belt | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
when driving a car. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:43 | |
This guy here didn't put it on. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
Now, no doubt, his car was either bleeping constantly, | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
telling him to put it on, or he's put it behind him, | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
so he's not wearing it. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:53 | |
Why would you actually not want to wear a seat belt? | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
There's not really a justifiable reason. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
I mean, you know, it's for your own safety! It's not uncomfortable. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
I'll see if I can have a chat with him in a minute and find out why, | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
because this probably just cost him 100 quid. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
I don't think it's endorsable but, you know, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
I can't work out the logic behind it. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
So, looking at the evidence, this seems pretty clear. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
Not only did eagle-eyed Matt | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
see this driver not wearing his seat belt, | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
he's gone and admitted it, too. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
So, now he's looking down the barrel of a possible ?100 fine. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:25 | |
But will the fact he fessed up so quickly work in his favour? | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
Will Matt let him off with just a warning? | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
The offence for which you have been stopped and going to be reported for | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
today, is failing to wear a seat belt. We know that, it's OK. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
You do not have to say anything. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:39 | |
It may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
something which you later rely on in court. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
Anything you do say may be given in evidence. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:44 | |
We've cautioned you, but we can deal with it by means of a fixed penalty. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
Nope. He's hitting him hard where it hurts - in the wallet. ?100. Ouch! | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
OK, my friend. Right, traffic offence report. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
It is a straightforward fine. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:55 | |
There's no points on your driving licence for this offence, | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
it's just a straightforward fine. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
You don't pay it now, we send a letter to your home address. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
The fact he's not getting any points on his licence | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
is perhaps the only good news for him today. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
Let's see what he's got to say for himself. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
You didn't have your seat belt on, did you? No. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
I've got to be honest, I can't see the logic behind that. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:14 | |
I don't know. I never really wear it, to be honest. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
You just don't feel comfy when you've got it on. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
That's the best excuse I can give you. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:21 | |
It ain't a good one, is it? In all fairness, is it? | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
I know, yeah. But... I don't know. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
You can probably afford 100 quid, but it ain't nice, is it? No, it's not nice. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
How do you feel about the officer there and what he has just done? | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
To be fair, he was the nicest officer I've had pull me, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
you know what I mean? Yeah. Dead polite, no problems. Yeah. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
So long as you state that is legal, he's got no issues, has he? | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
Yeah. And the fact that you've received this penalty of 100 quid, | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
you've got no chip on your shoulder about it? | 0:19:42 | 0:19:44 | |
No, nothing. He's caught me, hasn't he? No seat belt. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
He's given me a fine. Simples. Are you going to change your ways? | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
I'd like to say, yeah, but probably not. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
That's your beer money for a weekend, isn't it? | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
Yeah. You know? You could have taken the missus out for a nice... | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
Don't tell her that! Well, she'll be watching this. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:00 | |
You could have had a nice night out on Seb here, | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
but, instead, he spent his money on not wearing seat belts. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
Right, you're going to be in trouble now. Nice talking to you. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
I hope this chap isn't getting too much of an ear-bashing right now | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
and it's good he's able to have a laugh about it, | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
but there is a very serious reason | 0:20:15 | 0:20:17 | |
why we should all be clunk-clicking on every single trip. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
Since the scrapping of the paper tax disc, | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
car clamping has gone up to over 9,000 vehicles a month, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:28 | |
about 110,000 a year. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
So unless you want one of these little beauties, tax your car. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
It's not rocket science. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
Citizens have a duty to tax their car, so if you haven't done that, | 0:20:36 | 0:20:41 | |
you're not really playing the game. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
Anybody who hasn't got their road tax really shouldn't be on the road. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
If they can't afford the road tax, don't go on the road. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
Clamping, if they don't pay, I think that's fair enough. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
You should have a fine for that instead of clamps. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
Clamp is not nice. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
In the two and a half years since they got rid of paper tax discs, | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
the amount of cars clamped has almost doubled | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
because the simple fact is, | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
if you don't tax your car, | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
you're either going to get a hefty fine, | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
or lose it completely. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:13 | |
In South Wales, | 0:21:14 | 0:21:15 | |
it's Andrew Smith's job to ensure that untaxed vehicles are clamped... | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
..and the owners fined. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:23 | |
Normally what will happen is you'll get designated | 0:21:29 | 0:21:33 | |
a postcode area to be in and you'll travel to that area. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:38 | |
And, basically, do as much of that area as possible. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:42 | |
And today, Andrew's roaming the streets of Cardiff using his ANPR, | 0:21:42 | 0:21:47 | |
or automatic number plate recognition cameras. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
I have four cameras, two on the front, two on the back. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
And basically all it's doing is reading the number plates, | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
so, as we're driving by, | 0:21:58 | 0:22:00 | |
it's scanning each vehicle and each number plate and we have, obviously, | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
a computer in the back of the van that holds the database. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
And if your vehicle is one of the half a million without road tax, | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
look out! | 0:22:13 | 0:22:14 | |
COMPUTER: Attention. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
He's only been out for ten minutes. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
Could Andrew have his first clamp of the day? | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
A lot of getting in and out. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:21 | |
This one comes back as being on a Sorn. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
So what a Sorn is is a Statutory Off Road Notice. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
What they're actually telling the DVLA | 0:22:30 | 0:22:31 | |
is that they're not going to be using the car | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
and they're keeping it off the road. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
So, with that, they wouldn't necessarily have to have | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
the vehicle taxed, | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
but obviously we've come across it and it's on the public highway. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:44 | |
So the owner of this vehicle claims they don't have to pay car tax | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
because the car isn't kept on a public road. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
But you don't need any special technology to see that it most certainly is. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:56 | |
So, clamp out... | 0:22:56 | 0:22:57 | |
..assume the position... | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
And say hello to a ?100 fine. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
But - hold your horses - it looks like the owner's here. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
Now, don't worry, mate. The car's not going anywhere. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
You did have time to put your trousers on. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
Right, Andrew, time to explain the very complex term "off road." | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
A Statutory Off Road Notice is just that. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
It's an off road notice. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:26 | |
What you doing is you're keeping it on the public highway. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
No, he still doesn't get it. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:30 | |
What you're doing is you're parking it on the public highway. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
You've told the DVLA that you're keeping it off road, but you're not. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
It's off the road. Yeah, but it's on the public highway. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:41 | |
OK, try one more time, Andrew. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:43 | |
To keep a vehicle on the public highway, it has to be taxed, | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
so if you tax the vehicle, OK, there would be fines to pay with that. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:50 | |
Once all of those are paid, the clamp can come off. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
Once the clamp's off, OK, you're then given 24 hours to move the vehicle. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
It turns out it's his girlfriend's car, but whoever it belongs to, | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
they're still going to be at least ?100 out of pocket. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
Yeah, he was under the impression that he was doing the right thing | 0:24:05 | 0:24:09 | |
in having the vehicle on the Sorn. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:10 | |
Obviously, he's not, because it's on the public highway. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
If he'd have had it on his driveway or in the parking for the flats, | 0:24:14 | 0:24:20 | |
then, yeah, he would have been within his rights. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
Well, the owner did pay the fine and the car tax, | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
so the clamp was removed. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
That's the first of the day and, I dare say, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
it won't be the last one of the day. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
Non-payment of road tax costs the UK economy around ?80 million a year, | 0:24:37 | 0:24:42 | |
money that could be spent keeping the roads up to scratch. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:46 | |
So if your car's on the road, you need to pay for it. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
COMPUTER: Attention. And someone's sat in it. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
I'm not sure that the driver of this car was expecting Andrew to appear. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
Hiya, is this your vehicle? | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
It's coming back on the DVLA database as being untaxed. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
Are you sure, definitely sure that it's come out every month? | 0:25:02 | 0:25:06 | |
The driver claims that she has a direct debit set up | 0:25:06 | 0:25:08 | |
to pay her car tax. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
I'll just make sure that it's the right registration number that's come up. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
So, Andrew will have to double-check before he can take any action, | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
but it's not good news. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:19 | |
No, it's still coming back as being untaxed. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
So, a car parked on the side of the road doesn't have current road tax. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
Is it a clamp, or will Andrew take pity on her? | 0:25:26 | 0:25:30 | |
Basically, what I'm going to have to do is immobilise the vehicle. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
Maybe not. The driver says she can't get home if her car's clamped. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
No kidding. But wants to put it on her mum's driveway. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
I can't... I can't allow you to move the vehicle. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
Basically, I'm not supposed to, all right? | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
What's supposed to happen is the clamp's supposed to go on now. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
Because I'm not supposed to allow you to drive the vehicle because according to the database, | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
according to all the information I'm getting, | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
is that your vehicle comes back as being untaxed. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:58 | |
I have to put the clamp on. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
She says she's embarrassed at being clamped and, to be fair, | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
I think I would be too. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:05 | |
I understand that. I understand that it's a bit of an embarrassment, | 0:26:06 | 0:26:11 | |
but what I'm telling you | 0:26:11 | 0:26:12 | |
is that I'm not allowed to allow you to move the vehicle. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
I have to stick the clamp on. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:18 | |
It's then up to her to ring the DVLA | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
and they can sort it out between themselves. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:26 | |
Well, she tried, | 0:26:30 | 0:26:31 | |
but it looks like it's game over for this unhappy driver | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
who, despite her pleas, couldn't change Andrew's mind. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:38 | |
Obviously, you've got to try and be fair across the board, | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
so those people that aren't there to fight their corner, | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
you can't turn around for the people that are there to say, | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
"Well, OK, you are here." | 0:26:48 | 0:26:50 | |
Well, the driver was there, but she's also got a ?100 fine. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
That's two clamps so far | 0:26:57 | 0:26:59 | |
and I've got a feeling Andrew might be going back | 0:26:59 | 0:27:01 | |
to the depot with an empty van today. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
We have five clamps, one ticket, and one insurance. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
It's not bad for a couple of hours, that isn't. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
He's a nice fellow, Andrew, but don't pay for car tax... | 0:27:17 | 0:27:21 | |
COMPUTER: Attention. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:22 | |
..and he might just appear, armed with his trusty clamps. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:26 | |
Box junctions, | 0:27:37 | 0:27:38 | |
red routes, and don't forget those funny signs | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
that look like a motor bike is jumping over a car. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
Sometimes it can seem like there is more paintwork | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
and hardware on our roads | 0:27:47 | 0:27:48 | |
than on the shelves of your local DIY supermarket. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
But it's all there for our safety and convenience. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
But if you, the hapless motorist, | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
should fall foul of all this street signage and find yourself with a fine, | 0:27:56 | 0:28:01 | |
then it's going to hurt. However, don't give up hope. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
If you're in London and think you are innocent, | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
then bring your story plus any photos, videos, | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
even letters from your mum along with you to here, | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
the London Tribunals, | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
to have your case heard by an impartial | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
and professional adjudicator. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
Last year, they heard about 40,000 cases | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
and almost half of them were successful. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
So if you feel a bit aggrieved, it's worth fighting your case. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
I'm meeting up with Ora, | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
who is hoping he's going to be one of the lucky 50%. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
Good to meet you. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:36 | |
Now, you're not watching a video there of a movie, are you? | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
No. What is it? | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
It's the actual incident that happened and it's a box junction. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
And your defence here is what? | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
Basically, there was plenty of room at the box junction, on the lane, | 0:28:47 | 0:28:52 | |
and I went through, | 0:28:52 | 0:28:53 | |
but another car in another lane came and this one stopped here. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:58 | |
And there was no room. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
I suppose the argument is, you know, | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
the Highway Code says they must be empty before you enter the space. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
Must be room for you to exit them, isn't there? | 0:29:05 | 0:29:07 | |
Well, I mean, it's just the rear tyres but it's not impeding any... | 0:29:07 | 0:29:12 | |
Anything, really. You've obviously got quite a fair argument. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
What do you think your chances are here? | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
Well, I just look at logic and reason. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:20 | |
If you've got logic and reason, it should be fine. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
How much is your fine at the moment? | 0:29:23 | 0:29:25 | |
?130. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:27 | |
Ouch. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:28 | |
OK. Well, good luck. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
Thank you. I'll be sitting in the back | 0:29:30 | 0:29:31 | |
and I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for you. Cheers. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:35 | |
130 quid, ouch indeed. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
Let's hope for his sake logic and reason are on his side, | 0:29:38 | 0:29:42 | |
as adjudicator Belinda is waiting. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:44 | |
Hello. Come and take a seat, please. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:48 | |
Thank you for seeing me. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
But first, she wants to give Ora a quick Highway Code refresher. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
So, before we look at the evidence, can I just, | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
probably telling you what you already know, | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
but can I just explain about box junctions? | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
If we imagine this is the box junction, | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
the way that the legislation was set up | 0:30:06 | 0:30:08 | |
and the wording that's used is for motorists to, in their vehicle, | 0:30:08 | 0:30:13 | |
stay one side of the junction, | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
conscious of the dimension of their vehicle, | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
until they can see enough space the other side of the junction | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
to completely accommodate that vehicle. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
That's what I said! | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
Any stopping of any part of the vehicle within the crosshatched area | 0:30:28 | 0:30:33 | |
is a contravention. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:34 | |
He's got my sympathy, | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
but anyone else get the feeling Ora might have to box clever | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
if he's going to win this one? | 0:30:39 | 0:30:40 | |
So, let's see how this one pans out, yes? | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
So, the traffic's moving and this is you, isn't it? | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
The red vehicle. Yes, and this one... | 0:30:47 | 0:30:49 | |
You see, there's plenty of space up ahead and then this vehicle starts | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
indicating now to go left, so this vehicle here... | 0:30:52 | 0:30:57 | |
Erm, you know, obviously... | 0:30:58 | 0:31:00 | |
And I was beeping my horn and, you know, it was very frustrating. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
And so that leaves you with your rear wheels... | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
I would have had plenty of space. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
And it has happened after, | 0:31:10 | 0:31:11 | |
so these are extraordinary circumstances which were in milliseconds. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:17 | |
Is that a glimmer of sympathy on Belinda's face? | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
Ora might be winning this. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
Can I just take it forward to one spot and then explain something? | 0:31:23 | 0:31:28 | |
Hmm... Maybe not. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:29 | |
If we stop it here, | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
the idea of the legislation as I explained to you is that you wait | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
here until you can see that there's enough space the other side. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
This is the only way to avoid a contravention. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
But you didn't wait and you proceeded | 0:31:43 | 0:31:47 | |
on the anticipation, I think, really, that you would have a space. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:52 | |
Just to interject... | 0:31:52 | 0:31:53 | |
Yes. Sorry. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:55 | |
I mean, there's about four or five feet ahead of this vehicle and | 0:31:55 | 0:31:59 | |
there's about three or four feet ahead of this vehicle. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:03 | |
And ahead of that one, so... | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
So, yes, it's a general anticipation, isn't it? | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
By motorists that they're all going to move at a pace and fill up those | 0:32:08 | 0:32:12 | |
spaces and unfortunately... And then that vehicle stopped straightaway. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:16 | |
It didn't pan out as you anticipated, did it? | 0:32:16 | 0:32:20 | |
I think she's got you boxed in there, Ora. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
To be appreciative of the law, you know, I understand that the... | 0:32:22 | 0:32:27 | |
You know, that is the law. Yes. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:28 | |
With box junctions, but, please, | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
I've never done this before and I'd like you to take into account that | 0:32:31 | 0:32:36 | |
there were circumstances there that were not in my control. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:42 | |
Right, let's take stock. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:44 | |
Ora's video evidence shows he thought he would have enough space, | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
but then he didn't, but only by a foot or so. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
What is it going to be? I know what I think. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
It's strict liability. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:55 | |
Your vehicle is in the junction. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
I cannot find that you, your vehicle was cut up at that point. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:02 | |
And so I have to refuse this appeal. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
That it. Fine upheld. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
Say goodbye to 130 quid, I'm afraid. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:10 | |
That is the end of the case. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:11 | |
Can I make another appeal? | 0:33:11 | 0:33:13 | |
Because I feel that I was not in the wrong there at all. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
But he won't get back in the box that easily. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
Well, I found that a contravention did occur. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
Yeah, that is due to another vehicle's intervention. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
Further along the line, not in front of yourself. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
Yes. So the contravention did occur. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:30 | |
The thing is, I am asking for some leniency, | 0:33:30 | 0:33:32 | |
because I'm not actually impeding the box... | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
Well, as I indicated at the beginning of the hearing, | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
I am here to determine whether a contravention occurred or not. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:42 | |
My remit does not extend to altering | 0:33:42 | 0:33:44 | |
the amounts of the penalties that are involved. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
They are set by statute. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:48 | |
It is ?130, I have found that a contravention occurred. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:53 | |
I will have to refuse this appeal. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:55 | |
Thank you. You will receive, as I say, my decision in the post, | 0:33:55 | 0:33:59 | |
in writing, in due course. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
OK, that is your decision, then. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:03 | |
Thank you. Thank you. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:04 | |
Good day to you. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:08 | |
I was right. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:09 | |
But maybe I should stop with the dodgy box puns, | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
I don't think Ora is that happy. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:13 | |
I think I can sense how you're feeling. Er... | 0:34:13 | 0:34:17 | |
I feel a bit dejected, you know, | 0:34:17 | 0:34:18 | |
because those were events out of my circumstances, | 0:34:18 | 0:34:22 | |
and she was kind of right about me moving too fast. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:27 | |
You kept fighting your corner, you certainly... | 0:34:27 | 0:34:29 | |
You didn't throw the towel in easy. But she wasn't budging, was she? | 0:34:29 | 0:34:33 | |
No, I think... | 0:34:33 | 0:34:35 | |
The way that they do it is if you have anything | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
touching the box... Yeah. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
You can have a wisp of hair, whatever, then that is it. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
I'm getting the impression that the ?130 penalty is going to hurt. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
Yeah, it is going to hurt. I am a single father, I mean, you know. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:53 | |
Yeah. I am just trying to get on by, you know, | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
I am trying to run two businesses... | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
Listen, I am sorry about the decision. | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
Good luck for the future. Thank you. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:00 | |
Thank you. Thank you very much. Cheers. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:02 | |
You know, I feel for Ora. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:04 | |
It wasn't a massive mistake, but the Highway Code is the Highway Code. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:08 | |
It is there for a reason. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
It is estimated to cost about ?50 million a year | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
clearing up fly-tipping. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
That, give or take, is about ?1 million a week which could be spent | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
on something much more needy, like the NHS. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:20 | |
Fly-tipping is a personal bugbear of mine. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:22 | |
I think it is an absolute disgrace. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:24 | |
We all accumulate stuff, we all accumulate an awful lot of rubbish, | 0:35:24 | 0:35:28 | |
but we don't all bang it in the back of the car and then throw it, | 0:35:28 | 0:35:30 | |
you know, possibly in a beauty spot in the forest or the common, | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
whatever it might be. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:34 | |
I don't agree with that at all. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:35 | |
I don't like fly-tippers. Even though it is hard, | 0:35:35 | 0:35:39 | |
say if you are doing a big clear-out or whatever, it is hard, | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
because some people have those big huge bins where you can just go and | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
throw your rubbish, some don't. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:46 | |
So it is difficult, but leaving your stuff at the end of the road, | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
that is not cool. I don't think that is cool. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
I don't agree with that at all. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
Those people, they do it and they run away. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
I asked the council... I asked the council to put cameras there | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
to detect those people and give them heavy fines. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:02 | |
You see? It is going on, it is very bad. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
People who fly-tip are absolutely the pits. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:10 | |
This is the London Borough of Havering. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:13 | |
It may be on the edge of the biggest city in Europe, | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
but that doesn't mean it doesn't have its very own little pockets of | 0:36:15 | 0:36:19 | |
rural peace and beauty. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:20 | |
Or at least it should, | 0:36:20 | 0:36:22 | |
until some doughnut decided it was a good idea to dump this... | 0:36:22 | 0:36:27 | |
..this... | 0:36:27 | 0:36:28 | |
..and this. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
Criminal. No, really, it is criminal. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
Fly-tipping on an industrial scale can earn you an unlimited fine and | 0:36:35 | 0:36:39 | |
five years in prison. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
It is a serious criminal offence. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
You actually obtain a criminal record. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
Fighting the fight for this little corner of England's green and | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
pleasant land, against the monster of criminal fly-tipping, | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
are waste enforcement officers Jim Ratcliffe | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
and his colleague Rod Wynn. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
People who are operating the waste transfer sites | 0:36:59 | 0:37:03 | |
are disposing of the waste illegally, | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
and saving the money that they have to pay to dispose of it legally. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:11 | |
And it is not just the environmental cost that is at stake. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
The burden for clearing these crime scenes up is borne | 0:37:14 | 0:37:18 | |
by the good people of Havering borough. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
That is council taxpayers to you and me. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
It is costing us about ?50,000 a month to... | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
In costs, to dispose and remove | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
the fly-tipping that is taking place. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:31 | |
Jim and Rod are on a call out to one of the fly-tipping hot spots on their patch. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:37 | |
This might look like a dead end, | 0:37:38 | 0:37:40 | |
but ironically, it is actually an access road to the local tip. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:44 | |
Well, it was until someone dumped this lot. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
And the scale is apparent, even from a couple of hundred metres away. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
That is a major fly-tip. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
Possibly an eight-wheeler load, | 0:37:54 | 0:37:55 | |
that has come out of a waste transfer site. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
Or a building site. | 0:37:58 | 0:37:59 | |
That is the kind of stuff that would cost you ?149 a tonne to dispose of. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:04 | |
I would say there is about ten tonnes there. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:09 | |
So they have saved themselves the best part of ?1,500. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
But this isn't the first time this secluded site has turned into a crime scene. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:16 | |
This here is the aftermath of a fly-tip which took place a couple | 0:38:16 | 0:38:20 | |
of weeks ago that was subsequently burnt down | 0:38:20 | 0:38:22 | |
before we could remove it, and as you can see, | 0:38:22 | 0:38:24 | |
it has burnt all the vegetation around it as well. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
So it has actually caused damage to the environment as well as the costs | 0:38:27 | 0:38:31 | |
of removing the fly-tip. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:33 | |
Lovely peaceful place. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:34 | |
And they ruin it. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:35 | |
To make matters worse, Jim and Rod are seeing copycat crime, | 0:38:35 | 0:38:40 | |
domestic waste in bin bags dumped on top of the industrial waste. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:44 | |
What we'll do now is pass it over to Cleansing. They'll come straight down and clear it. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:48 | |
You know what makes matters worse? | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
The council tip, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:51 | |
where these lazy bin bag bandits could have got rid of their household rubbish | 0:38:51 | 0:38:55 | |
safely and for free, is less than half a mile away. | 0:38:55 | 0:39:00 | |
This is the real hot spot at the moment. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:02 | |
But further down the road, | 0:39:02 | 0:39:03 | |
it is easy to see why they might not have been able to get to the council's tip. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:08 | |
Yeah, so you would have difficulty getting any vehicle through there at the moment. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:12 | |
Only the smallest vehicle, as you can see. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:14 | |
It is a through route, | 0:39:14 | 0:39:15 | |
and it actually leads to the London Borough of Havering waste and recycling centre, | 0:39:15 | 0:39:19 | |
where residents can take their waste legally and dispose of it. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:23 | |
Still, the excuse of a blocked road will not stop you getting a fine | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
for dumping your bin bags if you are caught. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:28 | |
It is a mess, isn't it? | 0:39:28 | 0:39:29 | |
But it is the industrial waste that is a serious | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
criminal offence and could spell jail time. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
This is the criminal stuff here. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
As soon as you get it clear, they are coming back and fly-tipping. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
The main issue with this type of waste is, as you can probably see, | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
it is really construction waste. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
It has probably come out of a construction site. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
It is brick, so the potential to find any evidence in there is extremely limited. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:54 | |
But we will have a look, | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
and if we can find something then we will follow up on it. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
In the meantime, this sorry pile has got to be cleared. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:04 | |
We'll have to get a grab lorry down here to get this removed, | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
so it'll probably take us a day to dispose of this one. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
And a day to dispose of the other one. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
You're talking ?3,000 to ?4,000 just for the landfill costs. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:17 | |
I am a ratepayer of Havering, I have to end up paying for this as well. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:21 | |
It is very sad, but, | 0:40:21 | 0:40:24 | |
you know, somebody has to pay. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
What we would like to do is get the people who are doing it to pay, | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
but... We will get them. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:31 | |
We will get there. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
This clearly is not an isolated problem. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
This used to be a regular spot for fly-tipping. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
You can see the measures they have taken here. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
Elsewhere on their patch, | 0:40:41 | 0:40:42 | |
Jim and Rod have found another pile of builders' waste. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
I don't know how long it has been there. As you can see | 0:40:46 | 0:40:48 | |
it has been investigated, because there is tape, | 0:40:48 | 0:40:50 | |
but it is a fridge freezer, so there won't be any evidence as to who has dumped it there. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:55 | |
And it has not gone unnoticed by the locals. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
You can't blame them, really. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
Hi, there. Yes. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:01 | |
Yeah, we have cleared it up recently, but we can't stop them. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:05 | |
They are dumping it quicker than we can clear it at the moment. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
INDISTINCT | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
Let us know. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:12 | |
MAN: Local resident? | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
He said if he sees them he will grass them up. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:17 | |
Good for you, mate. More citizens take note. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:22 | |
Right, on to the next pile. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:24 | |
Will it ever stop? | 0:41:24 | 0:41:25 | |
Yeah, it's a new one. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:27 | |
The search continues. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:29 | |
This... Plasterboard. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:33 | |
But this time it is a bagged up load of old plasterboard. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
I can't believe they will find any evidence in that lot. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
We've got a receipt here. Yeah, it's got the address on it. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
It is quite local. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
Hang on, wait a minute. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:47 | |
So, let's take a look at the evidence. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
Bagged up loads of builders' waste, dumped by the road. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:55 | |
Containing a written address. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
So what we'll do, we will call them in for a police interview. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
Investigations are ongoing, but if Jim and Rod do trace the address, | 0:42:01 | 0:42:06 | |
they will call the suspect in for an interview under caution. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
At that interview, we will ask them and put it to them how waste from | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
their address has ended up in a lane in the London Borough of Havering. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:17 | |
And obviously it is for them to explain how that might have happened. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
And we'll see what the outcome of that is. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
If it goes to court, | 0:42:23 | 0:42:25 | |
this dodgy dumper could be looking at some serious jail time. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:29 | |
Whatever happens, we have to clear it up. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:32 | |
If we find evidence, great, we can follow those enquiries, we clear it up. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:37 | |
If there is no evidence, we still clear it up. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
So whatever happens, we have the costs of clearing it up. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
Sadly, I have got a feeling that Jim and Rod's work isn't going to be over any time soon. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:49 | |
Enforcement officers really do have their work cut out, | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
but someone has got to do it, or there would be anarchy. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:58 | |
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