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Billions of pounds' worth of our taxes should be going to the most needy. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
Trouble is, people keep stealing it. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
Welcome to the world of Saints and Scroungers. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
Saints and Scroungers puts the spotlight on benefit thieves who ruthlessly steal | 0:00:34 | 0:00:38 | |
millions of pounds every year from the British taxpayer. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
And we search out the saints who help put unclaimed cash into the hands of those that need it. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:49 | |
And coming up on today's programme... | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
The tenant on benefits who claims there's nothing going on with her landlord, | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
although the holiday snaps tell a different story. | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
You wouldn't expect a normal landlord to be holidaying with their tenant. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:06 | |
And we meet the saint who has transformed the lives of over 500 Parkinson's sufferers. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:12 | |
I can just sit there and listen, and sometimes that can be | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
as valuable to them as taking any kind of medication. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:20 | |
Photographs - they're pretty important memories. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
They capture things like births, weddings and holidays. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
Sometimes they even capture things you'd rather they didn't. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
But surely if you were a benefit cheat, you wouldn't take | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
photos of yourself enjoying your ill-gotten gains, would you? | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
Or would you? | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
Meet Marina Beddows, a 54 year-old divorcee who lives in Margate. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:50 | |
She's genuinely disabled. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:52 | |
She has diabetes and, after a stroke a few years ago, has problems getting around. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:57 | |
So she gets £500 a week in benefits. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
Some of that money is because of her disability but some of it | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
is because she's living alone and needs help to pay the rent. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:09 | |
Colin Godbold is her landlord. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
He's 57, works for a coach company and also lives in Margate. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:19 | |
Their relationship is strictly professional. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
Well, that's at least what they told the benefit officers, anyway. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
But an anonymous tip-off to the Department for Work and Pensions suggests that Marina and Colin | 0:02:36 | 0:02:43 | |
are living together as a couple, which means she's claiming more than £70,000 she's not entitled to. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:50 | |
Steve Tamsett, Fraud Service, can I help you? | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
Steve Tamsett is senior fraud manager at the Department for Work and Pensions in Kent. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:59 | |
Our attention was first brought to Marina Beddows and Colin Godbold | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
as a result of an anonymous allegation to our benefit fraud hotline | 0:03:05 | 0:03:10 | |
that Marina was not in fact renting a property from Beddows as a tenant, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:15 | |
but they were in fact maintaining the household as a couple. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
Having received that information, we'll investigate all such allegations. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:26 | |
Over £74 million worth of taxpayers' money is lost to what's called "living-together fraud" every year. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:34 | |
It's the most common benefit scam of all, and it happens when two people who live together as a couple | 0:03:35 | 0:03:41 | |
pretend they live apart so that either or both of them can claim benefits as a single person. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:48 | |
This is what the anonymous tip-off was claiming Colin Godbold and Marina Beddows were doing. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:54 | |
What we'd be looking for in this investigation, as Marina was | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
claiming as a single person, to see really whether she was maintaining a relationship with Colin Godbold. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:05 | |
By that we mean that there was some sharing of premises, sharing of responsibilities, | 0:04:05 | 0:04:11 | |
sharing of financial commitments, and some relationship which is a | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
long-term basis where they're going to share a life together. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
At the same time that the DWP were looking into Beddows and Godbold, | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
Thanet Council were also running their own independent investigation. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:29 | |
Counter fraud manager Andy Croucher was sharing information with Steve's | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
team at the DWP to get to the bottom of what was going on. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:38 | |
The difficulty with this case was in establishing the relationship between Mr Godbold and Mrs Beddows, | 0:04:40 | 0:04:49 | |
and that that was something beyond a friendship or a landlord and tenant relationship. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:55 | |
Marina Beddows was on record as living on her own in a house in Margate. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:04 | |
She'd suffered from a stroke fairly early in life, and the disability was primarily that she wasn't mobile | 0:05:04 | 0:05:10 | |
enough to walk any distance or to take care of herself. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:16 | |
I believe she was also suffering from diabetes. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
Marina was entitled to some financial help because of her disability. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:25 | |
But as a woman on her own who wasn't able to work, she could also claim | 0:05:25 | 0:05:29 | |
help to pay the rent, council tax benefit and income support. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:34 | |
So in total, she received £500 a week. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
Colin Godbold was on record as being Marina's landlord. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:45 | |
He owned the house she lived in but claimed not to live there, | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
and had a steady job working for a coach company. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:53 | |
But if the two were living as a couple, Marina Beddows would only have been entitled to the | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
benefits for her disability, not her housing benefit, council tax benefit or income support. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:04 | |
So both the DWP and Thanet Council spring into action | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
and start digging for evidence of a secret relationship. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
The team were building up a bundle of evidence relating to whether they had bank accounts, | 0:06:23 | 0:06:29 | |
what ones they held jointly, what ones they held separately, | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
looking at the bills relating to the property, | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
who was responsible for paying them, work records for Mr Godbold and who his next of kin were declared to be. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:43 | |
Several pieces of information go to building up a picture that a normal person would consider | 0:06:45 | 0:06:52 | |
relevant and would point towards a couple being more a couple than just friends. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:58 | |
The council possessed letters from Colin Godbold stating that he was charging Marina Beddows £95 a week. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:07 | |
He lived at a different address, so everything seemed above board. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
But when the team checked out their bank accounts, it told a different story. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:22 | |
We did establish that they were running joint bank accounts. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
Joint bank accounts? That's pretty unusual for a landlord and tenant. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:30 | |
Sounds to me like there's a little bit more to this relationship than they were letting on. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
Investigators thought so, too. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
Having established that there was some truth in the allegation, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
we then undertook some undercover surveillance of the property. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
We'd have investigators sitting outside the property at all times of the day | 0:07:51 | 0:07:56 | |
just to see who was coming and going from the property and at what times. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:01 | |
The key things that our surveillance established was that Colin Godbold was at the property | 0:08:03 | 0:08:08 | |
on a pretty regular basis and seemed to be moving around and conducting activities | 0:08:08 | 0:08:14 | |
on the basis more of a couple than just a landlord. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
But Colin wasn't just spending a lot of time in the house. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
He was also clocking up the hours in Marina's car, which was paid for by her disability benefits. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:29 | |
As I understand it, Marina Beddows had a car that she was using to help her with her mobility | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
and that Colin Godbold was driving it quite frequently, which rather | 0:08:36 | 0:08:41 | |
puts doubt on the suggestion that he was just a landlord. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
In fact Colin was using the car to get to work from Monday to Friday. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:50 | |
But when the team followed him on some of his other journeys | 0:08:53 | 0:08:58 | |
they also discovered that Colin was taking Marina's housing benefit cheques to the bank. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:03 | |
He'd then withdraw the money from a cash machine. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
There was also some evidence that they were taking holidays together. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
These are details of holidays that were bought by Mrs Beddows. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:17 | |
There's evidence to show in this booking that the couple booked into one room only. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:23 | |
The investigators were building up all this evidence from a distance, | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
with Beddows and Godbold completely unaware they were being watched. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
But all that was about to change. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
Once we had the evidence, we were in a position to authorise | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
a police arrest at the property so we could search and seize any documents | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
or other evidence that was there that would lend support to the fact that their relationship | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
wasn't landlord of tenant but that they were in fact maintaining the household as a couple. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:52 | |
Coming up, a police raid on a property provides the investigators with plenty of evidence. | 0:09:56 | 0:10:04 | |
Male shirts, all male shirts... | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
Next, it's farewell fraudsters and hello to the innocent people... | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
our Saints... | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
..those who are in genuine need of help but are too proud | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
or don't know how to claim what's due to them, | 0:10:22 | 0:10:26 | |
and their saintly helpers who point them in the right direction. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
Every hour, someone in the UK is told they've got Parkinson's disease. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:41 | |
It's a condition that can cause shaking, involuntary movement | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
or make you freeze up, and there's no known cure. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
Losing your mobility can also mean losing your independence. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:53 | |
Fortunately, there are people out there who provide much-needed support. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
It's often the hardest-working people who go unnoticed, the sort of silent hero | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
who doesn't do it for the money or the recognition but does it because they enjoy helping people. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:12 | |
Nick Ephgrave is one of these people. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
He started working for Parkinson's UK two years ago. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
He drives around London making visits to some of the 500 people with Parkinson's on his list. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:27 | |
I'm seeing a great range of people in their own home environment, | 0:11:29 | 0:11:34 | |
and obviously I can see how people are coping. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
The first person Nick is off to see today is Michaela. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
She's had Parkinson's for 11 years. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
Michaela Graham-Yooll comes from Argentina | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
but moved to England in 1976 with her husband and three children. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:54 | |
Sadly, in 1996, her marriage ended and she's had to sell her family home. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:59 | |
It was while she was moving out that she first noticed something was wrong. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:04 | |
I started shaking. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
I thought it was something that, it was just to do with nerves, | 0:12:06 | 0:12:13 | |
because I had a week's time to empty the whole house. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:18 | |
After about a month or so, | 0:12:18 | 0:12:19 | |
she decided to see a doctor, and after a lot of tests I think | 0:12:19 | 0:12:24 | |
she was told she had Parkinson's disease. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
Last year, Michaela took a turn for the worse and had to go to hospital, with disastrous consequences. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:36 | |
With Parkinson's, it's important to take pills | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
at exact times of the day, and at home, Michaela had managed to do this. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:45 | |
But it staff at the hospital decided to give out her pills while on their medical rounds, | 0:12:45 | 0:12:50 | |
so they did not always come when Michaela needed them. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
And I got much worse while I was in hospital. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
Luckily, Michaela's daughter, Ines, found out about Parkinson's UK, | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
and got in touch with Nick, who came to the rescue. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
She was not in a good state when I met her. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
She felt that she was kind of trapped in the hospital because she wasn't getting her medication, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:16 | |
she wasn't having the proper movement she'd been used to, | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
and one of the things that was happening | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
was she was finding it difficult to get up to go to the loo, so she'd been placed in nappies. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:26 | |
It was really quite insulting to her to be treated like that. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
She was treated as a geriatric who didn't have full control over her movements. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:35 | |
We decided that the best thing to do would be to get her home as soon as possible | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
and put some Social Services care | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
in place until she felt well enough to be able to carry on on her own. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:46 | |
The car is just up here. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
From this point on, Michaela knew she had a champion. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:52 | |
For Michaela, getting less steady on her feet led to her feeling increasingly isolated. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:59 | |
That is one reason why I'm going out less and less, because I'm really insecure. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:07 | |
I'm scared of falling. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
But Michaela didn't just have to deal with being alone. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
She was also struggling for money. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
Apparently I was due a pension. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
I filled in the forms and sent them in, and then something was missing, so I had to start all over again. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:26 | |
I think when people look at the forms | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
that need to be filled in, they just seem such a mountain to climb. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:33 | |
When I spoke to Mickey about her pension, | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
she said that somebody from the Pensions Service had helped her before, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
but the forms had got lost in the post and they weren't giving her any follow-up help, | 0:14:39 | 0:14:43 | |
so she felt she wasn't able to fill in the forms herself and then just let it go. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:48 | |
I came along and contacted the Pension Service, | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
got the appropriate forms and started the whole process again. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
He filled in forms for me. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
He was more effective than I had been. Other people tried to help me. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
Nick successfully secured Michaela her pension | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
and four years of backdated payments on top. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:12 | |
But still, he went further. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
He got her a taxi card, which gets her a cheap ride so she can do her errands. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:20 | |
But it's the personal touch that means the most to people Nick helps. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:27 | |
Today, he's taking Michaela to a specialist Pilates class | 0:15:27 | 0:15:32 | |
for people who suffer with Parkinson's. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
The important thing is that Nick has given her independence. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:39 | |
She's getting out, not feeling isolated. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
He does his work, but goes beyond what his job is, I think. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:49 | |
Fraud investigators in Kent suspect that | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
Colin Godbold and Marina Beddows are living together as a couple. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
There's nothing wrong with that, unless, of course, one of you | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
is claiming over £70,000 in benefits that you're not entitled to. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:14 | |
Godbold and Beddows were totally unaware | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
that the Department for Work and Pensions and Thanet Council were investigating. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:23 | |
But they were soon about to get a very early morning wake-up call. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
The fraud team were planning a police arrest and house search at 7am. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:35 | |
They were hoping to catch both Marina and Colin unaware. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:40 | |
The element of surprise is important, | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
because there can be opportunities to come forward with different stories. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:49 | |
Or indeed, to destroy the evidence that would be important to us. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
So the police arrest is a good opportunity to establish the truth | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
and see exactly what's going on at the property. | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
First thing in the morning, a crack team from the police, | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
the DWP and Thanet Council assembled at the house | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
to see if they could catch out the suspected scammers. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:11 | |
On the team was a Thanet Council fraud investigator. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
Because of the covert nature of her work, we've disguised her identity. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:22 | |
On the day of arrest, we met at the local police station in Margate | 0:17:22 | 0:17:27 | |
at about 6 o'clock. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:28 | |
We then proceeded to the property. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
Upon arriving at the property, the door was opened by Mr Godbold, | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
who said that his wife was upstairs in bed, at which point Mrs Beddows | 0:17:35 | 0:17:41 | |
proceeded to open an upstairs window and call down, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
asking Mr Godbold what was going on. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
His wife? | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
There's a big difference between referring to someone as your tenant or your friend, | 0:17:49 | 0:17:54 | |
and calling them your wife. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
The fact Mrs Beddows was upstairs and Mr Godbold answered the door | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
confirmed our suspicions that they were living there as a couple. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
It was 7am. There wasn't any need for Mr Godbold to be there at that time. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:09 | |
He was just getting himself ready to go to work. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
It looks like they'd caught the cheats with their pants down. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
Now they've just got to prove that this isn't just a one-off | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
and that the two are living together long term. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:25 | |
So a painstaking search is carried out. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
This is a police video of the search. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
It builds up a picture of what the living arrangements are | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
in the property, whether they support the allegation | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
that's made against the couple or whether it supports | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
their own view that they're not a couple. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
Male shirts. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
All male shirts. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:49 | |
Dirty basket on the landing. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
Looks like a bloke's clothing there. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
If there's an indication that there's a man living in the household, | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
it's not a one-off encounter, that he's stopped overnight, | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
it's clear from that that it's a fairly long-term arrangement. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:09 | |
Electric shaver. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:10 | |
His toiletries are in the bathroom, suggesting he's living there on a permanent basis. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:15 | |
The police searched the house from top to bottom, | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
and they found Marina's will, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
which included Colin Godbold as a beneficiary. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
They also found evidence that Marina wasn't as hard up as you might expect. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:32 | |
During the arrest, there were two envelopes found in the property. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:36 | |
One had £1,400 and the other had approximately 1,200 in. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:40 | |
One of them had written on it "Marina's Holiday Fund". | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
£1,400, 1,200? | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
That's a lot of money to have lying around the house. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
It looks like Colin and Marina have a few pounds to spare. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:57 | |
But what the police found next takes the biscuit - | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
photos and video footage | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
of one of the couple's luxury holidays in Orlando | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
and casino capital of the world, Las Vegas. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
After the search, Marina and Colin were taken to Margate police station for questioning. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:22 | |
On the day, as I understand it, Marina was not well enough | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
to undertake the interview, but that was a judgment for the police | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
and she was interviewed on the next day. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:32 | |
But Colin Godbold was interviewed by himself, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
just to see what he had to say about these matters that we'd discovered. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
During the interview, Colin admitted that he lived at the house with Marina more than he had let on, | 0:20:41 | 0:20:47 | |
which was why his bank accounts and driving licence were registered there. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
But when Colin had written letters to the council as Marina's landlord, | 0:21:07 | 0:21:11 | |
they'd always been from a different address. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
The interview provided a breakthrough for the team, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
because Colin admitted he was living with Marina Beddows | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
on a nearly full time basis. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:45 | |
But when they called in Marina for interview six days later, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
she was insistent that there was nothing going on, | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
even though Colin had referred to her as his wife. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
They claimed their relationship wasn't that of a couple, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
and that Colin was looking after Marina because of her disabilities | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
and there was no relationship other than landlord and tenant. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
But although Colin had also denied they were a couple, | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
the picture he painted of their life suggested otherwise. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
On the basis of the evidence, Marina's benefits were stopped. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
You'd think if fraud investigators had surveillance footage of you, | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
photos of you on holiday together, | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
and you'd been caught in the act defrauding the system, | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
you'd hold your hands up in the air, say, "All right, it's a fair cop." | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
But not Marina. She wasn't prepared to give up her benefits without a fight. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
Following the arrest and the interviews under caution | 0:23:05 | 0:23:09 | |
and the benefit decision | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
in which we established that there was an overpayment | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
and the couple were treated as living together, | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
Mrs Beddows pursued her right of appeal against that decision. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:22 | |
The appeal went to a tribunal. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
All the evidence was collected up, | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
witnesses called and a statement issued in which Beddows stated | 0:23:28 | 0:23:32 | |
that they had never been members of the same household, | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
and that the four joint accounts they shared were just to make her life easier. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
I was surprised that Mrs Beddows had appealed, | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
having been aware of the amount of evidence | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
the authority had gathered in support of the decision that it had made. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:53 | |
Throughout the course of the tribunal, | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
she was adamant that there was no relationship between them. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
It did seem strange that she was sticking to her original story. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:07 | |
At the tribunal, all the evidence was laid out. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
The discovery of Colin's stuff throughout the house during the search. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:16 | |
Male shirts, | 0:24:16 | 0:24:18 | |
all male shirts. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:19 | |
Colin referring to Marina as his wife. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:23 | |
The shared holiday. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:25 | |
The joint bank accounts. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
And Colin's use of Marina's car for work. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:31 | |
They even called in an ex-carer | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
who alleged that she had seen Colin and Marina in bed together. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
Sometimes people explore every avenue available to them. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
There was a possibility that the tribunal may decide in her favour. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:53 | |
In my experience, given the evidence that we had, | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
that was always going to be unlikely. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
The appeal at the tribunal failed. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
The next stop for the couple was court, | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
and a date was set for February 2010 at Canterbury Crown Court. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:09 | |
The system was defrauded to the extent of £70,000 on income support, | 0:25:11 | 0:25:16 | |
housing benefit and council tax benefit. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
This money really is due to people who are properly entitled to it, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
the most vulnerable in society. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:24 | |
So £70,000 were stolen from people who should have received this money. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:29 | |
But Colin Godbold and Marina Beddows didn't get away with it. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
They both pleaded guilty for their part in scrounging: | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
..from 2002 to 2007. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
In total: | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
Marina Beddows was sentenced to... | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
Colin Godbold received... | 0:26:05 | 0:26:08 | |
And the conning couple also have to pay back all the money they owe. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:20 | |
And with that kind of debt to repay, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
I doubt they'll be jetting off to the States any time soon. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:27 | |
I was happy with the outcome, in that we'd seen the case to conclusion | 0:26:27 | 0:26:32 | |
and we'd established that there was a fraud. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
I think people sometimes think they won't be caught. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
The likelihood is that they will be caught, because we do have | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
a number of investigators who are very highly trained, | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
who will use sophisticated techniques, including interrogating bank accounts | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
and using undercover surveillance, to try and bring people to justice. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:57 | |
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