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This programme tracks down cheats, exposes fraudsters and brings help to those who really need it. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:07 | |
This is the front line in the battle against benefit fraud. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
This is Saints And Scroungers. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
Saints And Scroungers is all about busting the benefit cheats who steal millions of pounds every year, | 0:00:38 | 0:00:43 | |
and the crack teams of fraud investigators determined to expose their scams. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:49 | |
We also shine a light on those who genuinely need the money | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
and the people who help them get it. They are our saints. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
And, coming up on today's programme... | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
Living like royalty and hiding her husband. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
-The bogus asylum seeker who wasn't quite who she seemed. -I was now sure | 0:01:02 | 0:01:07 | |
that we were dealing with one person that was using two identities. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:12 | |
And the DIY training scheme that turns the unemployed into handymen | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
for pensioners and the disabled. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
It's satisfactory for them, and I go away thinking, "I've helped someone out today." | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
But first, the scrounger who's been living like a royal, | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
courtesy of the benefit system, while we've been slaving away to pay our taxes. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:36 | |
What makes this country great is that we give money to people who genuinely need it. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:41 | |
The problem is, wherever there's money, there are people who want to steal it. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:45 | |
This shadowy figure goes by the name of Queen Hanson, | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
but clearly she's not one for making public appearances. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
She claims to have come to the UK seeking asylum | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
from war-torn Sierra Leone, in West Africa. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
She also claims to be a hardworking single mum who needs help paying the rent. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
Croydon Council's anti-fraud team suspect that Queen Hanson | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
has been living like royalty. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
What's more, we've all been paying for it. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
She is suspected of running a sophisticated scam, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
using dual identities to flout the immigration laws | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
and cheat the benefit system out of over £70,000. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:29 | |
I've come to Croydon to find out more | 0:02:29 | 0:02:31 | |
about this dodgy-sounding claimant. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
This is one of London's biggest and most diverse boroughs. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
The government's asylum screening unit is based here. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
For many migrants, it's the first place they come, and they make it their home. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
David Hogan is in charge of stopping benefit fraud for the council. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
-Morning, David. Nice to meet you. -Hello, Dom. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
-Croydon, it's a big town, isn't it? -It's a very big town. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
You're talking about roughly 350,000 households here in Croydon. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
-It's a huge melting pot here. -It's a big, diverse mix. Yes. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
-How many people claiming benefits and how much money are we talking? -Well, we've 38,000 people in Croydon | 0:03:04 | 0:03:10 | |
that are claiming benefit of one type or another. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
Um...the spend on that is just under £100 million. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
-Woah, think about it weekly - that's nearly two million quid a week. -It is. It's a huge sum. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:22 | |
-How much of a drain is that on the council? That's a lot of money. -It is a lot of money, | 0:03:22 | 0:03:27 | |
and the council are responsible for ensuring that all of those payments are made correctly. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:32 | |
But, as we know, they're not always made correctly | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
because there are people out there who are looking to take extra money, or money they're not entitled to. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:40 | |
And David and the fraud team suspect that Queen Hanson is just one of those fraudsters. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:46 | |
In 2003, they received what looked like | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
a legitimate claim for housing benefit and tax credits. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:54 | |
In the case of Queen Hanson, she presented herself to the council as a single mum of two children, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:59 | |
working in a local supermarket. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
She told us that she was a UK citizen and that | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
she was entitled to receive housing and council tax benefit and she was paid them, on that basis. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:09 | |
Queen Hanson might have been able to continue claiming benefit | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
if the council hadn't run a search on her name with other organisations. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
Using sophisticated computer systems in a process called data matching, | 0:04:19 | 0:04:24 | |
they discovered she had thousands of pounds of savings. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
Top investigator Gail Campbell was straight on to the case. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
Well, this case came to the council after a data match, | 0:04:33 | 0:04:38 | |
and that was from the housing benefit matching service. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:43 | |
It advised us there was undeclared money held in a bank account. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
Even though she was working, Queen Hanson had raked in | 0:04:46 | 0:04:51 | |
over £45,000 in tax credits, by claiming to be a single mum. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:55 | |
But clearly she didn't need the money to live on, as she'd opened | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
a string of bank accounts to stash it away in. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:03 | |
If you've more than £16,000 in savings, you're not entitled to benefits, | 0:05:03 | 0:05:08 | |
and if you don't declare it, you're breaking the law. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
If you find out a claimant has got more than £16,000, what will you do about it? | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
It will automatically trigger a fraud investigation. We will look at trying to recover | 0:05:16 | 0:05:21 | |
all the money we've paid out, from the savings they've got. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
-Every penny? -Every penny. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
-Interest as well? -Interest as well, back to the taxpayer. -Ouch! | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
The discovery of the claimant's secret savings were the starting point | 0:05:33 | 0:05:38 | |
of Croydon Council's investigation. Though she had thousands in the bank, | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
she was still claiming to be penniless | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
so she could carry on getting housing benefit. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
And the fraud team were about to discover her domestic circumstances were more complicated | 0:05:48 | 0:05:54 | |
than she was letting on. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:55 | |
We checked to see whether there was any credit history, | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
and that brought back information that showed there was another person | 0:05:59 | 0:06:04 | |
er...making credit applications from the same address, and... | 0:06:04 | 0:06:09 | |
his name was Ekhator Ojo-Osagie. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:13 | |
Hold your horses! Queen Hanson told the council she was a single mum. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
So who was this man living at her address? | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
If they were in fact a couple, her housing benefit form | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
would have been fraudulent. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:27 | |
When we did these credit checks, | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
we knew that Queen Hanson had made claims for housing benefit | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
and she'd made claims from three separate addresses in the borough. We made further checks | 0:06:34 | 0:06:39 | |
on these addresses and it showed the same male appearing on all the credit checks. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:45 | |
So it looked as if he'd been at the same address | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
at the same time as Queen Hanson. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
Something didn't add up. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
Queen Hanson had only qualified for benefit | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
because she claimed to be a single mum. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
If it was now looking like she might not be single after all - | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
the team suspected the man she lived with was more than a lodger. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
Was he, in fact, the father of her children? | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
Queen Hanson's benefit application | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
listed two children, and the children had the same surname, Ojo-Osagie. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:21 | |
And that linked into the male that we found on the credit checks, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
and that was the surname that was coming up | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
on the other checks that we can make. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
The evidence seemed to be stacking up that this was a family. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:35 | |
But they needed more. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
Mrs Ojo-Osagie had started to claim income support. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
So the Department for Work and Pensions | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
were now taking an interest. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
Gail asked them to check if Mr Ojo-Osagie had a paid job. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
The DWP were able to tell us that Ekhator Ojo-Osagie | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
was employed by the Royal Mail. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
Queen Hanson had failed not only to declare that she was living with a man, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:03 | |
but that he had a full-time job. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
A trip down to the Croydon sorting office | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
for a little chat with Mr Ojo-Osagie's boss | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
proved beyond doubt that they were in fact a family. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
A period of paternity leave had been approved for Mr Ojo-Osagie, and the dates | 0:08:16 | 0:08:22 | |
of that paternity leave coincided with the birth | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
of one of Queen Hanson's children. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
Everybody that knew him | 0:08:29 | 0:08:30 | |
was aware that he did have a wife, and he had children, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
and he spoke about them a lot | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
while he was at work. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
Gail now had evidence that Mr Ojo-Osagie and Queen Hanson were living together as a family. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
All the pieces of the jigsaw were falling into place. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
It was time to confront the suspected fraudster. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:50 | |
By this stage of the investigation it was quite clear that not only had she undeclared bank accounts, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:55 | |
but there was a strong possibility that she'd also got an undeclared partner, | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
who had an income, so it was felt that it was appropriate | 0:08:59 | 0:09:04 | |
to bring her in for interview. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:05 | |
At this stage, Queen Hanson was suspected of lying | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
about her circumstances so she could claim benefits. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
But now she had a chance to give her side of the story. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
She came to the interview and she brought a solicitor with her. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:20 | |
She "no comment"-ed on every question, even when I asked her | 0:09:20 | 0:09:24 | |
to confirm the names of her children. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
And Queen Hanson's suspected husband, Mr Ojo-Osagie, wasn't particularly co-operative either. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:36 | |
He did say to me on the telephone | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
that he wasn't coming to the interview cos... it wasn't anything to do with him. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
With this pair refusing to co-operate, the fraud team | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
were going to have to start digging deep. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
What they didn't yet know was that Queen Hanson was hiding her real identity, | 0:09:48 | 0:09:53 | |
and if they couldn't unravel this complex fraud, | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
she could end up getting away scot-free. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
Coming up, | 0:10:02 | 0:10:03 | |
The fraud team make a potentially vital discovery. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
This wedding programme | 0:10:06 | 0:10:07 | |
was an excellent piece of evidence as it showed | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
the couple due to be married. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
But will they be able to uncover | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
Queen Hanson's real identity? | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
From the scroungers defrauding the benefit system | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
to the people we call our "saints". | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
Individuals and organisations up and down the country | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
that go out of their way to offer help to those in genuine need. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
Vulnerable pensioners and unemployed youngsters, two very different groups of people | 0:10:40 | 0:10:45 | |
that share a common denominator. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
Both could do with a helping hand. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
So, wouldn't it be great if there was a way of combining their problems | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
and helping both groups at the same time? | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
And that's exactly what a charity called In Touch sets out to do. | 0:10:55 | 0:11:00 | |
It teaches unemployed people DIY skills | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
and offers a handyperson agency to vulnerable old or disabled people. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:08 | |
We are working with | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
younger people, who've had long periods of unemployment, | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
and we're helping them back into finding work, and hopefully, | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
on to a more prosperous career in the future. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
24-year-old Mark Morley from Larkfield in Kent | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
has been out of work for the best part of a year | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
after losing his labouring job in London. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:31 | |
'The training course was my last option. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
'I was beginning to think, "I'm never going to get anywhere." | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
'The course started to look more promising.' | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
It looked like my sort of... | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
My treasure. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:44 | |
When we're looking at the employment of younger people, | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
um...we have to look at it in a way | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
which doesn't really take too much account of the skills base. Having the right attitude | 0:11:50 | 0:11:55 | |
makes all the difference. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
After an anxious wait, things are looking up for Mark. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
He gets that sought-after place on the training scheme. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
I did feel king of the world. I felt like Muhammad Ali in the champions fight, like, literally. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:12 | |
It brings a sense of inspiration to yourself. You're going to get work, | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
you'll get certificates, and stuff. It makes life so much easier. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
Getting a place on the training programme means that Mark | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
has been able to stop signing on | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
and now he's guaranteed a weekly wage for the next six months. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
Today, Mark's heading out on a job with mentor Danny. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
But I'm keen to see how he's getting on with life as a trainee handyperson | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
before he hits the road. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
-Mark! -Hello. -Glad to meet you. I'm Dominic. -How you doing? Nice to meet you. -Now. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
-You're one of the handypeople here. -I am indeed. -Tell me about the day | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
-you found out you got it. -It was like being on heaven. -Right. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
It was brilliant. I thought, That's it. I've got myself a job. Six months of work. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
That means I can then look after my little girl, I can provide. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
-Yeah. -I can be a dad, sort of thing. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
-And they're going to train you up to do... -Yep. -Quite a good handyman. -Yep. Basic DIY. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
-It ain't hard stuff. -Yep. -You could be putting a shelf up, tap washers in. Little things. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:14 | |
-You like the work? -I love the work. It's great. It gives me an insight | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
-into how to do little simple DIY for people. -Yes. -It's satisfactory for them. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:23 | |
Makes their life the world better. And I'll go away thinking, "Well, I've helped someone out today." | 0:13:23 | 0:13:28 | |
-You're a good talker. Am I holding you up? -I have got customers to see. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
-There probably is a muffin and a cup of tea waiting for me somewhere. -Going cold. -Probably going cold. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:36 | |
-Well get on with it! -Come on. You should come out with us. -OK. -I'll show you how we do. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
I'm heading off with Mark in his new company van. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
We're going to be meeting mentor Danny at today's first job. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
79-year-old Donald Lynch is a retired engineer | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
who suffers from muscular degeneration and has extreme difficulty getting around the house. | 0:13:56 | 0:14:01 | |
With DIY out of the question, Donald's reliant | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
on the handyperson service | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
for any adaptations he needs to his home. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
And helping people like Donald gives Mark real job satisfaction. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:15 | |
I'm not just sitting at the dole office looking for jobs every day, | 0:14:15 | 0:14:19 | |
and seeing everybody else struggle. I'm actually out there making my life | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
and people around me's lives a bit easier. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
Today's job is fitting a simple handrail by Donald's patio doors. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
He's having trouble getting in and out of his garden. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:35 | |
He's got a half-step but he's struggling, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
-still, so we'll pop a handrail up. -It's the typical sort of job you do? -Yeah. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
It's a typical sort of job there, so...Like I say, we've just done the screws and rawl plugs, | 0:14:41 | 0:14:46 | |
and Mark's going to fit it up for us. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:47 | |
While Mark and Danny crack on, I'm keen to find out just what the handyperson service means | 0:14:49 | 0:14:54 | |
to customers like Donald. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
In Touch, as an organisation, how many times have you used them? | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
-Uh, five. -OK, quite a few. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:05 | |
You trust them? | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
Yes, they're excellent. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:08 | |
They're effective, they're on time and they do what they say they will do. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:14 | |
As simple as that. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:15 | |
For people like Donald, | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
knowing they're not being ripped off by rogue traders or cowboy builders gives peace of mind. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
I was looking for help with this door | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
because the little wheel trucks had collapsed. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
I looked in the local paper and this chap turned up, made no attempt | 0:15:32 | 0:15:37 | |
to inspect what was wrong. He just went outside, looked at it and said, | 0:15:37 | 0:15:42 | |
"It's ever so old. We can't do anything with it. You need a new door. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
-"We do a wooden one for £1,750." -Ouch! -Yeah. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
Then it struck me that In Touch had all the knowledge where they had contractors of their own. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:56 | |
So I rang up, asked if they could help. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
-Yup. -They gave me two telephone numbers. I rang the first one. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
He came up, looked at it, gave a price on the spot. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:08 | |
-How much? -£200. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
-Instead of 1,700? You've rung the bell, haven't you? -Yeah. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
But the handyperson service isn't just about turning up and doing the job. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:19 | |
Danny, Mark and the rest of the team are always on the lookout for other improvements they can make. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:24 | |
Donald's call to In Touch to assess his loft and new insulation led to another vital job getting done. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:31 | |
Whilst the young lady was here, | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
filling in the forms for the loft insulation, | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
he said, "I can smell gas. I think I'd better get a surveyor down." | 0:16:36 | 0:16:41 | |
He looked at the boiler, "How old is it?" And we worked out 17-22 years old. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:48 | |
-It was cream-crackered. -Exactly. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
"So I will submit that you need a replacement boiler." | 0:16:51 | 0:16:56 | |
Thanks to the scheme, Donald's boiler is safe again and his new handrail | 0:16:57 | 0:17:02 | |
is ready to use. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
That is brilliant. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
That makes it much easier. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
And there's more good news - a permanent position has come up with the handyperson service. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:17 | |
Even though he's only been with In Touch for two months, | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
Mark's got the job. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
-Mark, I hear things are looking up for you. -Things are looking up. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
I have got a full-time job | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
so I am now fully employed. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
You keep clapping your hands like that, someone will chuck you a fish! | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
-Love it! -You're excited? -I am excited cos now I've got a full-time job. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
That means constant work, constant pay. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
It makes my life all the more easy. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
Just a few months ago, Mark had almost given up hope of getting a job. Now he's graduated | 0:17:42 | 0:17:49 | |
to being a permanent member of staff, the future is looking much brighter. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:54 | |
It's an absolute pleasure for me to give you this certificate of achievement | 0:17:54 | 0:17:59 | |
-and really wish you a very long and prosperous career. -Thank you. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
-So congratulations, Mark. -Thank you for giving me this opportunity. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
-Well done. -Thank you. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:08 | |
THEY WHOOP AND APPLAUD | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
Mark's going to go a long way. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:13 | |
From when he first started training to where he is now, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
I'm very proud of him. I know he's going to be a decent handyperson. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
Helping the vulnerable and training up the unemployed. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
Sometimes it's the simplest of ideas that are quite genius. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
And it's projects like this that show exactly what can be done | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
when a bit of creative thought goes into tackling problems. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
It's the best of both worlds. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
And I for one hope it continues to flourish. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
Now it's back to Croydon, | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
as the case against benefit cheat Queen Hanson hots up. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
The council and the Department for Work and Pensions | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
suspect that by using a false identity, | 0:18:52 | 0:18:54 | |
she's been able to flout the immigration laws | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
and illegally claim over £70,000 of us taxpayers' money. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:02 | |
Posing as a single mum and using the name Queen Hanson, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:06 | |
this suspected fraudster was hiding the fact that she was living | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
with a man who had a full-time job. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:11 | |
But this enabled her to steal thousands of pounds of benefits | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
that she wasn't entitled to. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
It was time to knock this fake queen off her throne. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:21 | |
Top investigator Gail Campbell of the Croydon fraud team | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
was leading the investigation. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:26 | |
Not only had she undeclared bank accounts, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:31 | |
but there was a strong possibility that she'd also got | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
-an undeclared partner. -If true, this would have affected | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
her claim to benefits. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:39 | |
When Queen Hanson was brought in for questioning, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
she answered "no comment" to all the allegations that were put to her. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:47 | |
The man Gail suspected to be Queen Hanson's partner | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
was also declining to be interviewed. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:52 | |
So, it was time to turn up the heat. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
Mr Ojo-Osagie was arrested, | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
while the fraud team led a search of the house they shared. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
By this stage, they'd suspected that Queen Hanson | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
wasn't who she said she was. They were hoping the proof they needed | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
would be in the house they both lived in. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
Found in the bedroom upstairs were some certificates, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
and these certificates were in the name of Adesuwa Ojo-Osagie. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
Hang on a minute. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
This was supposed to be Queen Hanson's house. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
But investigators had just found a document in the name of a woman | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
who shares the same surname as Queen Hanson's partner, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
Mr Ojo-Osagie. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:32 | |
Mr Ojo-Osagie was asked at the time to explain | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
who that person was and he said it was his sister. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
Sister? A very unlikely story. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
And no-one was convinced by this explanation. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
Don't forget, the fraud team already know that Mr Ojo-Osagie took | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
paternity leave when Queen Hanson gave birth to her third child. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
Gail was convinced that Queen Hanson was a false identity, | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
used by Adesuwa Ojo-Osagie to conceal her marriage. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
I was now sure that we were dealing with one person | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
that was using two identities. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:06 | |
Now, this could start getting complicated | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
so let me break it down for you. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
Queen Hanson comes into the UK as a single mum. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
She starts working and claiming benefits. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
It's discovered she has savings she hasn't declared | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
and there are three people registered as living in her house - | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
Mr and Mrs Ojo-Asagie and Queen Hanson herself. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:31 | |
But there was something else. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:33 | |
Documents with Mrs Asagie's name on | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
showed her to be Nigerian, whereas documents in Queen Hanson's name | 0:21:35 | 0:21:41 | |
from when she entered the country as an asylum seeker claim she was from war-torn Sierra Leone. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:47 | |
Now, as well as being | 0:21:47 | 0:21:48 | |
a benefit fraud investigation, this was now turning into an immigration case as well. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:53 | |
It was time for Gail and the Croydon fraud team to contact the UK Border Agency. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:59 | |
They're responsible for controlling migration into Britain and removing any migrants | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
who break our immigration laws. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
Tina Lyonette is one of their top investigators. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
To get to the bottom | 0:22:09 | 0:22:10 | |
of this identity puzzle, she began by checking back through the immigration records. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
'So when Croydon Council came to me, they gave me three names to look at. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:21 | |
'We had Queen Hanson,' | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
Ekhator Ojo-Asagie and Adesuwa Ojo-Osagie. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:29 | |
Tina started with the name at the top of her list - Queen Hanson. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
The records showed | 0:22:33 | 0:22:34 | |
that she'd first arrived in the UK almost 20 years ago on a Sierra Leone passport. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:39 | |
It was easy to find Queen Hanson. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
There was a Home Office file on her that showed that she'd claimed asylum | 0:22:41 | 0:22:46 | |
back in the '90s and that had been refused initially. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
Knowing she was eventually likely to be deported, | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
in 1997 she asked for her passport back, | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
explaining she wanted to get married. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
For a while, Queen Hanson disappeared completely off the map. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:04 | |
So Tina's next step was to look into the immigration records | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
for Adesuwa Ojo-Asagie. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
Adesuwa had applied for a visit visa in 2002, | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
and her husband, as well. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
Her husband, of course, being named on the visa application as Ekhator Ojo-Osagie, | 0:23:17 | 0:23:23 | |
had a legitimate right to work in the UK. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
Adesuwa was only allowed to enter as a visitor. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
Soon though, she was hatching a plan to try and stay. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
His wife, Mrs Ojo-Osagie, applied to become his dependant, | 0:23:33 | 0:23:38 | |
alongside her children. That application was refused. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
So, in the name of Adesuwa Ojo-Osagie, | 0:23:41 | 0:23:43 | |
she had no leave to remain in the UK as a dependant. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
Adesuwa's appeals for a visa failed in 2006. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:53 | |
But in the same year, Queen Hanson resurfaced, | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
pursuing her asylum claim. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:00 | |
She tells the Home Office that she's not received the decision | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
about her asylum claim. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:08 | |
The Home Office say to her, "You've been refused". She said, "I didn't get the letter". | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
So she puts in another application. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
But Queen Hanson's determination to claim asylum supplied Tina with the vital piece of evidence she needed. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:20 | |
The photograph of Adesuwa matched the photograph that Gail had of Queen Hanson. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:27 | |
That shows a clear connection between the two identities. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
At last, she'd cracked it. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
Tina had proved that Queen Hanson and Adesuwa Ojo-Osagie | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
were, in fact, the same woman. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
It was time for Gail and the fraud team to bring her in. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
And even more evidence was about to turn up that proved Queen Hanson and Mr Ojo-Osagie were married. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:48 | |
We arranged for another arrest to be made of the couple | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
and a thorough search of the property and the most damning document that we found | 0:24:52 | 0:25:00 | |
when we searched the property was a wedding programme. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
This wedding programme was an excellent piece of evidence | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
because it showed the couple that were due to be married, | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
it listed their named in full - the lady in the wedding programme was Adesuwa Ojo-Osagie | 0:25:11 | 0:25:19 | |
and we already knew this lady as Queen Hanson. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:24 | |
In July 2009, the council had all the proof they needed | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
to bring this fraud case before Croydon Crown Court. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
Faced with the overwhelming evidence presented to the court, | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
she pleaded guilty to... | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
Mr Ojo-Osagie was charged with... | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
The charges were left on file. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
She's used a false identity since 1991. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
She's accessed benefit systems while she's been using that false identity. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:15 | |
I am quite thrilled that everything has gone our way and she's been convicted and rightly so. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:21 | |
Queen Hanson has been sentenced to eight months in prison, and there's more good news for Croydon Council. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:28 | |
Using the Proceeds of Crime Act, she's been ordered to repay the entire amount | 0:26:28 | 0:26:33 | |
that she's cheated out of the benefit system. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
This case is a great example of the powers that local councils now have. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:41 | |
Not only can we get a successful conviction, | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
but we can confiscate assets that we say are the proceeds of crime. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:49 | |
Mrs Ojo-Osagie has also had her second appeal against deportation refused. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:55 | |
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