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What makes this country great is we give money to people who need it. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
But wherever there's money, people want to steal it. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:10 | |
Welcome to the world of Saints & Scroungers. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:14 | |
'Saints & Scroungers puts the spotlight on benefit thieves | 0:00:35 | 0:00:39 | |
'who ruthlessly steal millions every year from the tax payer, | 0:00:39 | 0:00:44 | |
'and it highlights the plight of men and women who are too proud | 0:00:44 | 0:00:48 | |
'or don't know how to claim benefits they deserve. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:52 | |
'The saints help, and the scroungers get tracked down by investigators | 0:00:52 | 0:00:57 | |
'who end their devious scams.' | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
Coming up on today's programme, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
'the net closes in on a fantasist who swindled the state of £40,000.' | 0:01:03 | 0:01:10 | |
We'll find you, come after you, prosecute you and get the money back. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
'And saintly salvation for a family | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
'brought to their knees by devastating news.' | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
When we told him, he said, "You can't die now, Dad..." | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
'First, the fantasist who swindled thousands of pounds, | 0:01:33 | 0:01:37 | |
'then tried to forge her way out of trouble.' | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
I love a good read, | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
losing myself in a book with a gripping plot | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
and colourful characters. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:47 | |
The thing is, I know that's exactly what it is - pure fiction. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:52 | |
For some people, that line between fantasy and fiction starts to blur. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:58 | |
That's when telling a good story turns into lying. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
'Lying is something benefit cheats do well | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
'and one woman who specialised in telling porky pies | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
'is Bernadette O'Driscoll. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
'For many years, she lived in an exclusive Hertfordshire community, | 0:02:14 | 0:02:19 | |
'thanks to the generosity of a literary charity housing her. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:25 | |
'The charity accepts residents in need who have a connection to the literary world. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:32 | |
'Bernadette claimed to have no savings or assets, | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
'and that her father used to work in publishing. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
'She then set about applying for income support | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
'and to have her rent and council tax paid. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
'Over six years, Bernadette claimed over £40,000, | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
'living a privileged life, courtesy of the tax payer. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
'This life was about to be turned upside down when fraud investigators | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
'from Three Rivers District Council received a tip-off | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
'that she was being less than honest about her circumstances. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
'This sparked a full enquiry led by Senior Fraud Investigator Annie Hickles.' | 0:03:06 | 0:03:12 | |
I got a referral from the housing benefit section. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
They'd received an anonymous call that Bernadette O'Driscoll | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
owned a property in Wales. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
I needed to look into whether or not that allegation was true. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
'Owning a property and not declaring it could mean | 0:03:27 | 0:03:31 | |
'that O'Driscoll is not entitled to government help.' | 0:03:31 | 0:03:35 | |
It's no surprise that benefit cheats lie. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
But when it comes to telling porky pies about property, | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
fraud investigators have very useful data right at their fingertips. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:47 | |
I looked up on a website to find out | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
if the property in Wales did exist and if it had been sold recently. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:58 | |
I then had the full address with the postcode that I could send off for a Land Registry check. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:04 | |
The Land Registry house information | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
or title deeds on all properties in the United Kingdom. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
They provide details of who owns the property, when it was registered to them and how much they paid. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:19 | |
When the Land Registry came back, it told us | 0:04:19 | 0:04:21 | |
Bernadette O'Driscoll purchased the property in September 2005, | 0:04:21 | 0:04:26 | |
and that the price paid was 88,950. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
Because there is no registered charge on there, that money was paid in cash. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:37 | |
'Bingo! O'Driscoll categorically does own the house in Wales, | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
'and it's mortgage-free.' | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
That would put her capital investment over £16,000, | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
so she wouldn't have entitlement to Housing or Council Tax Benefit. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
'Did O'Driscoll mention the Welsh property on her application forms?' | 0:04:54 | 0:04:59 | |
There's a particular question asking | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
if the person is in receipt of any property | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
other than the home they live in. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
In every single application, Miss O'Driscoll has declared no. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:14 | |
'Not declaring capital assets in order to falsely claim benefits | 0:05:14 | 0:05:19 | |
'is a serious offence. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
'The fraud team then unearthed another hot lead - | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
'an address on one application form that points to a property in Bristol. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:33 | |
'She's summoned for questioning under caution.' | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
'Could you state your full name?' | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
'You're not under arrest and you're free to leave any time. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:46 | |
'On the last page, it states that | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
'you've moved to our area from a Bristol address?' | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
'Bernadette O'Driscoll admits she sold a property in Bristol, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:14 | |
'but claims it was legitimate | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
'because the capital was being held in trust for her niece. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
'The documents suggest it was Bernadette's late father | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
'who set up the trust in relation to a London property he once owned, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:29 | |
'naming Bernadette as the trustee.' | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
' "I here unto set my hand to this declaration of trust | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
' "this eighth day of June 1987." | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
'And it's got your name underneath.' | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
'If the document is legitimate, Bernadette hasn't done anything wrong, but it looks a bit dodgy.' | 0:06:41 | 0:06:49 | |
'The fact the trust wasn't drawn up by a solicitor makes Annie more suspicious. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:05 | |
'But at least the interview clarified the chain of events.' | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
Bernadette explained that her father had owned a property in London. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:13 | |
The property had been sold. They moved to a Bristol address. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
That property was sold. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
She then invested the money into various accounts, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:24 | |
moved into our area and then purchased a holiday home in Wales, | 0:07:24 | 0:07:29 | |
which she said she was entitled to do because it was held in trust. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
'Annie believes there's more to this trust than meets the eye. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:38 | |
'Could Bernadette be using it to hide her assets?' | 0:07:38 | 0:07:44 | |
If someone's lying and they're trying to cover their tracks, | 0:07:44 | 0:07:49 | |
we won't give up, I will keep going. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
'The investigation into suspected scrounger Bernadette O'Driscoll | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
'has been under way for four months. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
'She's proving to be a formidable adversary. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
'Annie Hickles believes O'Driscoll has stolen over 40 grand | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
'by failing to declare a property in Wales while claiming benefits. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:13 | |
'Under questioning, brazen Bernadette counter-attacked, | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
'claiming it was held in trust for her niece. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
'And she was about to complicate things further.' | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
Out of the blue, I received this document by post. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
It's saying someone's a co-trustee of the alleged trust. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:30 | |
It isn't on legal headed paper but it does have a solicitor's stamp. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:35 | |
'Knowing suspicions had been raised about the first trust deed, | 0:08:35 | 0:08:41 | |
'Bernadette magicked up another. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
'Then, in an apparently deliberate ploy to stall the investigation, | 0:08:43 | 0:08:48 | |
'a third trust document mysteriously arrives.' | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
It's not got a signature of Bernadette O'Driscoll. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
This time, it has a signature of Bernadette's father, John Cadfryn-Roberts. | 0:08:55 | 0:09:00 | |
OK, then. Bye for now... | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
'Annie tracks down the solicitors named on the trust documents | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
'and sends over all three versions for inspection. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
'It turns out it's the same firm who drew up Bernadette's father's will. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
'The solicitor's beady eye immediately spots something.' | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
I noticed that it had a reference, as you would expect. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:23 | |
LT/104874, and then a date, 28.3.89. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:29 | |
Also, on the foot of the title page | 0:09:29 | 0:09:34 | |
of the declaration of trust, which Annie Hickles had sent to me, | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
there was also a reference which, rather surprisingly, | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
was the same reference that was on the will. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
The strange thing about that | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
was that if this declaration of trust was a genuine document, | 0:09:48 | 0:09:53 | |
it would have had its own reference. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
It also had a date at the end of it, | 0:09:56 | 0:10:01 | |
which was strangely, to my mind, typed in. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
When you go back to the will, | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
the date at the end of the document was written in, which is usual. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:12 | |
That, again, indicated to me that it was not a genuine document | 0:10:12 | 0:10:17 | |
and could not have been prepared by any practising solicitor. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
'The revelations are a major breakthrough. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
'If the trust is a fake, | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
'Bernadette will be bang to rights. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
'Annie needs more evidence, so she turns her attention | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
'to the mysterious signatory on the second deed. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
'The question is, does he even know Bernadette O'Driscoll?' | 0:10:39 | 0:10:44 | |
'The fraud team set to work | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
'and, after a bit of hunting, track down the signatory. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:53 | |
'He does claim to have known Bernadette in the past. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
'Annie arranged to meet him in a pub | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
'but when she presented the document bearing his signature | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
'he adamantly denied all knowledge and convinced Annie | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
'he'd never seen the trust before, let alone signed it.' | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
He was gob-smacked that she had done that without his authorisation. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:13 | |
Hang on a second. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
This case is getting more and more complex for the fraud investigators, let alone me. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:23 | |
Let me try and simplify it. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
The team is in possession of three trust deeds. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
They look a bit ropey. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
We do know that Bernadette O'Driscoll owns a house in Wales | 0:11:31 | 0:11:36 | |
that she paid £88,950 for in cash. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
But the money to buy that came from the sale of a property in Bristol. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:43 | |
And the money to buy that came from the sale of a flat in London | 0:11:43 | 0:11:48 | |
which Bernadette's dad owned. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
From that, Bernadette wants us to believe the trust originated. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
You see? It's a piece of cake! | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
Ha! | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
'It's time to haul the fraudster back in for questioning. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:06 | |
'What the investigators need to do | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
'is prove the trust is a fake. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
'If it is, Bernadette would not be entitled to the £40,000 she's so far | 0:12:11 | 0:12:16 | |
'claimed in benefits.' | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
-Could you state your full name? -Bernadette O'Driscoll. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:25 | |
'They believe a discrepancy between the sale of her London property | 0:12:25 | 0:12:31 | |
'and the date the trust was set up could crack the case.' | 0:12:31 | 0:12:36 | |
GARRY: The information we obtained | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
is that property was not owned by your father at that date. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
Let me just explain... | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
This trust document that deals with that address, | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
for which you're saying, "I didn't tell you cos it was in trust." | 0:13:08 | 0:13:14 | |
You should have told us, and this trust doesn't seem to mean anything. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
' O'Driscoll was clearly feeling the heat but the team had a problem. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:24 | |
'They cannot access the title deeds for the London property, | 0:13:24 | 0:13:29 | |
'which would prove in court the date of sale. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
'Just when they thought they had her, | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
'Bernadette's slipping through the net.' | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
By now, I was getting quite, um... | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
I suppose the word is confused | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
as to what was true and what wasn't. I needed more evidence. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
'Later in the programme, a forensic breakthrough. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:55 | |
'Will it be enough to put O'Driscoll in court?' | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
'From the scroungers ripping off the system to the people we call saints, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:07 | |
'who help put money into the pockets of people in genuine need, | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
'and the people who are too proud or simply don't know how to claim what's rightfully theirs.' | 0:14:11 | 0:14:17 | |
Being told you are seriously or terminally ill doesn't bear thinking about. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:26 | |
But if you're the main breadwinner, | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
how are you going to support the ones you love? | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
If you're too ill to work, who's going to pay the bills? | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
'44-year-old Michael Medd used to work as a testing engineer. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:43 | |
'In February 2007, he collapsed at work and was rushed to hospital. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:48 | |
'Michael was diagnosed with kidney cancer. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
'Life as he knew it was over.' | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
After having the tumour and my kidney removed, | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
I was hoping that was the cancer gone. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
Unfortunately, a year down the line, the cancer came back. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:08 | |
It ended up going on both lungs and two lymph glands next to my heart, | 0:15:08 | 0:15:13 | |
which made it impossible for them to operate. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
It turns your whole world upside down because you were told that you didn't have long to live. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:23 | |
'Michael was struggling to cope, but not just emotionally. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
'Unable to work, Michael and Angela found themselves in financial dire straits.' | 0:15:29 | 0:15:36 | |
You've got the same bills coming in but I was on, probably, 10% | 0:15:36 | 0:15:41 | |
of what I was originally earning. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
I had to drop my hours to part-time, to be here to care for him. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:50 | |
So it was a real big strain. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:52 | |
Incapacity Benefit, that was the only thing we got, initially. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:57 | |
At the time, I think it was about £70 a week. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
'To add to the financial pressure, | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
'Michael and Angela have a large family, including two daughters, | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
'and now two grandchildren. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
'They're also primary carers for their autistic son, Robert. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
'I want to find out more about Michael and how he's coping with this desperate situation.' | 0:16:14 | 0:16:21 | |
-Tell me about your life up until you became ill. -The job was going OK. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:26 | |
I earned good money. Family life was great. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
But total devastation come that day when I collapsed at work, | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
wondering what was going on with me. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
Up until then, everything was champion, you know. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
-A granddad in his early 40s. You must be very proud. -Extremely. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
Because, funny enough, Robert, with his autism, | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
when we told him that I didn't have long to live, | 0:16:47 | 0:16:51 | |
-he said, "You can't die now, Dad, because you're not a granddad." -Must have hurt. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:57 | |
It did. | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
It's hard because...at the time | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
when I told him... | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
..it was the worst thing we've ever had to do, you know. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:25 | |
'Surviving on around £70 a week Incapacity Benefit | 0:17:26 | 0:17:32 | |
'and Angela's reduced part-time wage, | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
'financially and emotionally, they were at rock bottom. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
'A Macmillan nurse started worrying about how Angela was coping.' | 0:17:38 | 0:17:44 | |
She saw me dipping. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
And she said, "Angela, I think you need some help." | 0:17:46 | 0:17:52 | |
'The Macmillan nurse referred Angela to the George Hardwick Foundation, | 0:17:54 | 0:17:59 | |
'a charitable organisation dedicated to supporting carers. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
'They arranged for Angela to receive counselling.' | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
It really helped me. I walked in one day and I was absolutely in pieces. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:11 | |
'The Foundation then turned their attentions to one of the root causes of the stress - money. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:16 | |
'Their household outgoings were exceeding their income. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
'Michael was invited to the centre... | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
'to meet Geoff Christison, | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
an information advisor who dedicates his life | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
'to helping people like Michael and Angela get their full entitlement. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:35 | |
'Last year, more than £126.5 million went unclaimed | 0:18:35 | 0:18:40 | |
'by terminally-ill cancer patients. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
'Thanks to people like Geoff, some of this stash of money finds its way | 0:18:43 | 0:18:48 | |
'into the pockets of those who desperately need it. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
'Geoff immediately spots a benefit Michael should be entitled to, | 0:18:50 | 0:18:55 | |
'Disability Living Allowance.' | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
Disability Living Allowance | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
is a benefit for anybody under 65 who has a serious medical condition. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
The normal rules are that you've been poorly for three months | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
and likely to be poorly for the next six. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
Michael had been turned down for Disability Living Allowance at first | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
which shows how difficult, sometimes, these situations are. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
'Geoff believes Michael may have | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
'failed to complete the application correctly. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
'It's up to his expertise to ensure the new claim presents a solid case. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
'And it's good news. This time, Michael's been approved | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
and that means a precious extra £50 per week. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
-I feel positive for you both. -I hope you're right. We'll keep positive. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:40 | |
-I'll keep it up here. -Yeah. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
-Keep smiling. -That's it. -Yes. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
Mick and Angela demonstrate how important it is to ask for help when you need it. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:55 | |
No point feeling guilty. If you're genuine, that's what it's there for. | 0:19:55 | 0:20:00 | |
It's given them something so valuable you can't put a price on it - | 0:20:00 | 0:20:06 | |
more time together. Think about it. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
'Now, on to the next chapter of Bernadette O'Driscoll.' | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
It's been a gripping story so far. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
She has come under the scrutiny of the Three Rivers District Council fraud investigators, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:30 | |
who suspect that she has fleeced thousands of pounds of benefits | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
that she's not entitled to. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
'To the untrained eye, Bernadette O'Driscoll looks like a woman | 0:20:39 | 0:20:44 | |
'deserving of the £40,000 of benefits | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
'that she's been merrily claiming for over a decade. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:51 | |
'But she had a stash of money invested in a property in Wales. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:56 | |
'She's not just living off tax-payers' money. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
'She's been housed by a literary charity.' | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
This is the benefits office, | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
where the real world of fraud investigation takes place. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
These guys only deal with cold, hard facts. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
Garry, Bernadette O'Driscoll. Tell me about her. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
Um... | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
-Complicated. -Ouch. Don't like the sound of that. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
It was made complicated by her and by her deception. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
She made no admissions throughout the investigation. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
-Kept denying everything? -So it complicated the process. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
We discovered she had had a number of properties. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
What complicated it was they were in trust. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
-She was trying to hide that she was a beneficiary. -Absolutely. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
'This alleged trust would mean Bernadette's money invested in the Welsh property | 0:21:43 | 0:21:49 | |
'was merely being held on behalf of a beneficiary, Bernadette's niece. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:54 | |
'What the investigators need to do is somehow prove or disprove it. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:59 | |
'The case had been active for over a year, and for much of this, | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
'Bernadette's benefits were frozen, and she wasn't a happy chappy.' | 0:22:03 | 0:22:09 | |
We got bombarded with letters, complaints. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
She complained to the Ombudsman, to our Chief Executive. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:18 | |
She complained to the Law Society, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
alleging that we were incompetent. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
Abusive phone calls, anything to get us to stop the investigation. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:29 | |
'The threats didn't end there. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
'She turned on fellow residents at the literary charity | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
'and, without any evidence, accused them of shopping her.' | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
She was putting up posters, | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
threatening residents that they had reported her, done this, done that. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:46 | |
which led to Bernadette O'Driscoll receiving a warning. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
'Convinced that they'd got a fully fledged criminal on their hands, | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
'the team's sole mission | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
'is to build a rock solid case that will hold up in court. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:02 | |
'So far, they have been told by a solicitor that one trust deed | 0:23:02 | 0:23:07 | |
'is likely to be a fake, but that's not enough to convince a jury. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:12 | |
'To get hard evidence, the trust document is sent to forensic experts | 0:23:12 | 0:23:17 | |
'who specialise in handwriting analysis. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
'The results are conclusive. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
'The signature of O'Driscoll's father is not what it seems.' | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
It was a cut-and-paste job from his last will and testament | 0:23:27 | 0:23:32 | |
onto this alleged trust document. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
Therefore, it wasn't a true and correct document. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
'So, hard proof. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
'Devious O'Driscoll, armed with a photocopier and a pair of scissors, | 0:23:42 | 0:23:47 | |
'had cut her late father's signature and pasted it on a fake trust deed. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:52 | |
'Just how low can you go? | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
'The trust was the main part of Bernadette's defence, | 0:23:56 | 0:24:00 | |
'that the money wasn't actually hers. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
'Scientific analysis now backed up all the other research | 0:24:03 | 0:24:07 | |
'and proved that the trust document was false. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
'What about the niece who the money was supposed to go to? | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
'The team spent months looking for her and her dad, Bernadette's brother.' | 0:24:15 | 0:24:21 | |
Finally, we got the first communication that we had with him. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:26 | |
In actual fact, his daughter, when he provided the date of birth, | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
wasn't born until a year after this alleged trust was in place | 0:24:30 | 0:24:35 | |
for his daughter. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
Unless he'd had a premonition that she was going to be born, | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
it had to be false. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
'After three years, Annie and Garry had the proof they needed - | 0:24:46 | 0:24:51 | |
'a confirmed fake trust deed | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
'and evidence that the niece named wasn't born when it was drawn up. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:58 | |
'It put Bernadette O'Driscoll in front of a judge.' | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
She was a lot more quiet in the courtroom. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:06 | |
She certainly didn't lose her temper. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
Bernadette was still adamant that the trust document was true. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:17 | |
I couldn't believe it, given the evidence proving it wasn't. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
'The jury were having none of it.' | 0:25:21 | 0:25:23 | |
Guilty. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
'It was not the first time she had been caught red-handed. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
'In 2000, Bristol Crown Court prosecuted her | 0:25:29 | 0:25:33 | |
'for perverting the course of justice - what a surprise(!)' | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
It's a great result. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:39 | |
We just hope we don't get any similar cases for a while, to recover. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:45 | |
A lot of hard work had gone into it. Justice was done. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:49 | |
'Bernadette O'Driscoll was found guilty on all 12 charges, | 0:25:49 | 0:25:54 | |
'from obtaining money by deception to making false representations. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:59 | |
'Because of her health, this cheat was spared a stretch inside, | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
'but she was landed with an 18-month suspended sentence | 0:26:03 | 0:26:08 | |
'and a confiscation order | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
'to pay back a total of... | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
'After harassing her fellow residents, | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
'and the discovery she wasn't in need of help, | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
'the charity had no choice but to issue an eviction notice. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:27 | |
'But in true Bernadette style, she refused to go, | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
'forcing the charity to spend a further £25,000 in court costs | 0:26:31 | 0:26:36 | |
'to get rid of her.' | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
Fact CAN be stranger than fiction, when it comes to the fantasy life | 0:26:41 | 0:26:46 | |
of someone like Bernadette O'Driscoll. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
Like all good stories, the good guys come out on top. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
A happy ending for you and me. Not so great for Bernadette. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
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