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Billions of pounds of our taxes should be going to the people | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
that really need it, but the trouble is, people keep stealing it. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:10 | |
Welcome to the world of Saints and Scroungers. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
Saints and Scroungers is all about busting benefit thieves | 0:00:35 | 0:00:39 | |
who steal millions every year, and the crack team of investigators | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
determined to scupper their devious scams. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
And we also shine a light on those who genuinely need the money | 0:00:46 | 0:00:51 | |
and the people who help them get it. They are our saints. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
The saints get help and the fraudsters get their comeuppance! | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
Coming up on today's show - | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
the single mother on benefits with expensive taste in motors. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:05 | |
-What car are we talking about? -It was an Audi. -What sort? -An Audi TT. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
But with fraud investigators in the driving seat, | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
will her claims come crashing down? | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
She'd actually told the letting agent that she was employed | 0:01:15 | 0:01:19 | |
as a model, earning £25,000 a year. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
One family's tragic experience with epilepsy. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:26 | |
I was told that it would not be advisable for her to be left alone | 0:01:26 | 0:01:30 | |
with a child now. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:31 | |
Will a saint be able to supply some much needed support? | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
Living on your own with kids is going to be tough | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
at the best of times, | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
and that's where benefits can really offer you a helping hand. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
But if you can afford a fancy convertible like this, | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
do you really deserve government handouts? | 0:01:49 | 0:01:53 | |
Claire Evans is a 32-year-old mother-of-two from Bristol. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:58 | |
As she doesn't work, she claims Jobseekers Allowance | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
from the Department for Work and Pensions, and receives housing | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
and council tax benefit from South Gloucestershire Council. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
Which means Claire and her kids shouldn't suffer undue hardship, | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
but the council have started to suspect that Claire Evans | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
might have more money than she's letting on. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
In fact, they think she may have claimed more than £62,000 | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
in benefits she isn't entitled to. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
Every council has a fraud investigations unit | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
whose job it is to track down benefit cheats. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
The crack team at South Gloucestershire Council | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
is led by Jude Bevan. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
Tell me about South Gloucestershire. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
South Gloucestershire, we have an area with about 250,000 residents | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
and about 109,000 properties. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
We have both urban and rural areas. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
And of those residents, how many of them are on benefits? | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
We are round about 16,700 individual claimants at the moment. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:54 | |
Every council has a fraud department that tries to reclaim money | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
that shouldn't be claimed in the first place. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
How much did you get last year? | 0:03:00 | 0:03:01 | |
Last year, including other DWP benefits, | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
it was around about £500,000. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
-Half a million pounds? -Yes. -Lot of dough! -It is a lot. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
Was that an increase on the year before? | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
-It increases every year. -They do a good job, then? -They do an incredibly good job. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:15 | |
Claire Evans first came to the attention of Jude's fraud team in 2009. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:21 | |
She had been claiming benefits with no questions asked, | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
but officers from South Gloucestershire Council | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
decided to pay her an unannounced visit. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
All councils do this from time to time. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
Why do you do these visits? | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
We want to ensure that people are claiming the correct amount | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
of benefits, so we will review X percentage of claims | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
to ensure that the details we hold are correct. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
There's two elements to these visits, isn't there? You're catching people who shouldn't be claiming, | 0:03:43 | 0:03:48 | |
-but there's people who aren't claiming enough. -Exactly. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
It's like a benefit health check to ensure that people | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
are claiming enough benefits that they're entitled to, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
or they may overlook telling us about changed circumstances | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
and it gives them an opportunity to do that. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
The council didn't initially think there was anything suspect about Claire's claim, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:07 | |
but when they paid a visit to the home she was renting | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
in 2010, someone else answered the door to say she had gone on holiday. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:14 | |
-That triggers another unannounced visit? -Yes, we would undertake another unannounced visit, | 0:04:14 | 0:04:19 | |
and on the second visit, Miss Evans wasn't there and neither was anybody else. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
The officers decide to make another visit, | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
hoping it might be third time lucky. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
But once again, Claire Evans wasn't home. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
Now, of course, at this point, | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
she's registering that she's unemployed and a single mother. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
-Mm-hmm. -So you'd expect her to be at home. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
She might have been out shopping, but three times and she's not in? | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
The beacon must flash at that point. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
The visiting officer did have heightened suspicion, yes. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
We call it a gut feeling. Every visiting officer has a gut feeling if something isn't quite correct. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:53 | |
And it wasn't just the fact that Claire Evans seems never to be | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
at home that was heightening suspicion. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
The lady herself might not have been around, | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
but her car was generally parked outside the house. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:06 | |
-What car are we talking about? -It was an Audi. -What sort? -An Audi TT. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
-Don't tell me convertible. -It was, yes. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
Now that's new, that would cost someone about £30,000. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
Not the sort of car you would expect somebody who's unemployed to own, | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
but it could've belonged to someone else. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
It could've belonged to someone else, yes, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
but during the investigation the fraud team went out a number of times | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
and the car was always there. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
Officers had something of a mystery on their hands, | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
so they decided to pass the case onto the council's senior | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
fraud investigator, who needs to remain anonymous. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
The Benefits Department say to you that one of their claimants | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
has got this expensive car in the driveway. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
How can you be sure that person actually owns that car? | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
What we will do, and what we did in this case, is to drive by | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
the address two or three times just to make sure the car | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
is there all the time, so it's not a visitor's or somebody who has left it temporarily. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:58 | |
-But that's still not concrete proof, is it? -No, no, not at all. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
Having established that we think it's probably there regularly, if not, permanently, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:06 | |
we will then contact the DVLA and find out the registered keeper. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
-What came back, then? Show me. -What we've got here is, as you can see, | 0:06:09 | 0:06:13 | |
-it says "Reply to DVLA Enquiry" at the top. -Yeah. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
And it shows that the car we're interested in, | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
-the car we've seen at the address, is an Audi TT. -Yep. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
In white, and she only bought it in October 2010. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
-That's right. -Her name, her address, yeah. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
No previous keepers. So it was bought from brand new. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:32 | |
So Claire Evans has a taste for very expensive wheels. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:37 | |
Nothing wrong with that, but how does a single mother, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
who's living on benefits, afford a jam jar of this calibre? | 0:06:39 | 0:06:44 | |
She shouldn't have been able to afford that | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
-if her claim had been genuine. -Correct. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
How can you find out how she's paying for it? | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
We did a credit check. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:53 | |
We have access here, online, to a credit reference agency | 0:06:53 | 0:06:58 | |
and we can carry out a credit check. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
Credit reference agencies are commercial companies | 0:07:00 | 0:07:04 | |
which compile information about people's credit history. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
They get their information from sources including | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
the electoral roll, county court judgements, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
and financial institutions. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
Someone's credit history lists all their credit accounts, | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
including their credit limit | 0:07:17 | 0:07:18 | |
and whether they have missed any payments. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
It also records the name of their current account provider. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
Lenders and other agencies can buy this information for a small fee. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
What this showed initially was that Claire had at least one large loan | 0:07:29 | 0:07:35 | |
that she was servicing. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:36 | |
Claire Evans had borrowed a large sum of money, presumably, | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
to pay for her car. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
But how does someone surviving on benefits manage to get | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
such a large amount of credit? | 0:07:47 | 0:07:48 | |
Investigators decided to get a full credit history | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
going back several years, | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
to see what else she might have been spending her cash on. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
Is that the only car she's bought while on benefits? | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
We found she'd bought two or three over the past four or five years. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
In actual fact, the details of one of them are here. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
As you can see, this one was purchased back in October 2005. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
It's got her name and address at the top there. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
It's an Audi TT Roadster again, erm, | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
with 3600 miles on the clock at that time. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
-So, virtually new. -Indeed. And she paid £25,500 for it. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
Wow! | 0:08:23 | 0:08:24 | |
This unemployed mum has spent over 50 grand on luxury cars | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
in just five years, and the fraud investigators can smell a rat. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:33 | |
-So what happened next? -We approached the bank, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
we identified five bank accounts that she held | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
-and we got the details back from the bank, going back several years. -Yes. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
And that showed us that she'd had a large amount of unexplained | 0:08:43 | 0:08:48 | |
deposits to one account in particular, over about four years. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:53 | |
So a four year period, give or take, | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
and how much has she put in, in total? | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
Well, in total, these payments, | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
which exclude benefits payments I should point out, all of these | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
are credits to her account that we don't know where they came from. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:07 | |
And they total £65,626. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
'Investigators now knew something wasn't right.' | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
Meanwhile, Claire Evans finally broke cover. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
She seemed to be avoiding investigators | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
but, perhaps, she realised that sooner or later she was going | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
to have to talk to them. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
She did contact the office when she didn't want a visit | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
because she stated there had been a family bereavement, | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
so the visiting officer then did make an appointment with her | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
for a couple of weeks later, after the alleged family bereavement. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
The council finally got to talk to Claire Evans face-to-face. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:42 | |
What happened when the visiting officer went? | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
When she went round and undertook the visit, | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
she did find Miss Evans to be quite nervous | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
and didn't really want a visiting officer in the property. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
With 65 grand and a luxury car on her driveway, | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
it's not surprising Claire Evans was feeling a bit nervous | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
about a visit from fraud investigators. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
It was already obvious that something dodgy was going on with | 0:10:02 | 0:10:07 | |
Claire Evans' benefits claim, and as we find out later, | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
officers were even more puzzled about the source | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
of the payments into her account. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
And you will see that a lot of these items are listed as foreign items, | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
which didn't mean anything to us at the time. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
For now, it's farewell to the fraudsters | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
and hello to the people we call our saints, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
those who are in genuine need of help, but are too proud, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
or don't know how to claim what is rightfully theirs. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
And the people who point them in the right direction. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
As newlyweds, it's tempting to start planning your future. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
Trouble is, you can't always tell what's just around the corner. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
Imagine experiencing the very best day of your life, | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
and then, the very worst day, | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
all in the space of just two weeks. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
That's just what happened to Wayne and Michelle Lambert from Suffolk. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
Like most first-time parents, they were over the moon | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
when they had their baby boy, Jake. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
But just 11 days later, | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
Michelle suffered a life-threatening epileptic seizure. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
I came home, | 0:11:12 | 0:11:13 | |
and I opened the front door, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
and I could tell straight away she was in a fit. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
So, went into the front room, and saw Michelle on the sofa, | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
in a full-blown fit, with Jake actually resting on her chest. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:27 | |
He was sound asleep. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:29 | |
I then picked him up, and put Jake into his car seat... | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
and called for the ambulance, and got hold of Michelle's mum and dad, | 0:11:33 | 0:11:39 | |
got hold of my mum. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:40 | |
I raced up to the flat to be able to look after Jake. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
But... | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
it was so quick, and so frightening. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
A few minutes later, the paramedics turned up, and that was it. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
We were straight off, up to the hospital. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
Michelle recovered, but suffering the epileptic seizure was a double blow. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:02 | |
She sustained some minor damage to her brain, | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
but being in hospital for ten days meant she had to be separated from her newborn baby. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:10 | |
It affected her memory a little bit. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
But it knocked her confidence with looking after Jake quite a bit. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
We then started getting that back, | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
and she was then a lot more happy with Jake, | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
and the bond was coming back properly as well. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
It soon became obvious that life would have to change fundamentally | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
when Michelle's doctors delivered some harsh news to Wayne. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
I was told that... | 0:12:38 | 0:12:40 | |
..it would not be advisable for her to be left alone with a child now. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
So I then took that as a decision to stop work, | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
to look after the pair of them. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
It was a huge decision for Wayne to have to take. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
He had worked since leaving school and had never claimed benefits, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
Now, he had to face not only looking after his wife and new baby, | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
but also living on much less money. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
Financially was fairly hard. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
All we were getting, basically, was Disability Living Allowance for Michelle... | 0:13:08 | 0:13:14 | |
and Carer's Allowance for myself, | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
and Michelle's maternity pay, | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
as she was technically still on maternity leave. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
And that was basically all we were getting, | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
so from going from nearly £2,000 a month... | 0:13:24 | 0:13:28 | |
down to about £840 a month | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
was not very good at all. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
As the months passed, things started to look up for the Lambert family. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
After a very stressful time, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
Wayne was hoping that Michelle would be able to make a full recovery | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
and he would be able to go back to work. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
The future was looking pretty good. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
I was actually considering looking for... | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
OK, not a full-time job, | 0:13:50 | 0:13:52 | |
but perhaps going back part-time. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
OK, I was still the main carer for Michelle at the time... | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
but I was then thinking, | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
"Well, perhaps after Christmas, I'd start looking for a part-time job". | 0:14:01 | 0:14:06 | |
But Wayne's optimism was short-lived. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
In October that year, when Jake was just six months old, | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
Michelle suffered another epileptic seizure. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
Wayne found her after she and Jake had turned in for an early night. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:21 | |
I could hear a funny noise in the bedroom. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
So I poked my head in, | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
and she was actually in a full-blown, major seizure. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
Jake was just sitting up in his cot as if to say, | 0:14:31 | 0:14:37 | |
"Well, what's happening?" | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
Michelle pulled through but nothing was going to be the same again. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
Michelle had epilepsy since the age of 14 | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
but this was the biggest seizure she'd ever experienced. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
Her memory had been damaged beyond repair. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
We'd go into the Co-op, she'd see some people who she knew | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
and she'd realise who they were but as soon as she walked out the shop, | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
by the time she's walked out the shop, | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
she wouldn't even remember seeing anybody in there. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
She wouldn't even remember being in the shop. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
Wayne was forced to give up his well-paid job | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
in order to stay at home and look after Michelle | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
and their baby son Jake. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
If I had the chance to go back to some work I would do, even now, | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
but I know, at the moment, it's not possible | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
because Michelle and Jake need me to be at home. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
On top of learning how to adapt to Michelle's increased care needs, | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
Wayne was also struggling financially. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
No longer able to go out to work, | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
the whole family was surviving on just £800 a month | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
of Disability Living Allowance and Carer's Allowance. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
But, fortunately, | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
the Lamberts had been put in touch with local charity Home Start. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
Home Start is a family support charity. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
There's approximately 300 schemes across the UK. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
And schemes support families for lots of different reasons. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
Our volunteers visit families once a week. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
They support them for about two to three hours, providing what the family need. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
So, it may be some help going out to a group, | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
maybe a parent and toddler group. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
It may be doing some shopping. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
It may be sitting down and having a cup of tea and a chat. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
Whatever's needed. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
Since Michelle's second seizure, Home Start had matched | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
the Lambert family with a new volunteer called Lynette. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
And she was determined to give them as much help as she could. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
Initially, I came and I supported Wayne just by being a listening ear. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:28 | |
Someone for him to talk to, | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
helping him, really, deal with things day to day. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
Deal with some of those initial stresses. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
Look at how he was managing family life. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
And, perhaps, give him a little bit of a break as well, sit and play | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
and interact with Jake. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
And help him out where I could. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
-Rabbit kicks. -Kicks, kicks. -Turns. -Turns, yeah. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:54 | |
For Wayne, who was struggling with depression | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
and desperately trying to come to terms with his new situation, | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
this time to himself was crucial. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
There were times I used to just go out for a nice walk | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
and just to get some fresh air or if there was something | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
which I needed to do on the car I'd then go out and do that. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:14 | |
It meant I could actually stay a lot calmer | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
and I weren't getting quite so stressed. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
And I was able just, basically, to relax | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
and do the things which I like doing. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
Wayne's financial worries were also really adding to his depression. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
Fortunately, Home Start also have a programme which they call Maximising Income | 0:17:31 | 0:17:37 | |
which is intended to help people find out | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
exactly what benefits they are entitled to. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
Lynette realised that the Lamberts were struggling for cash. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
So, she carried out a benefits check for them. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
I could see quite quickly that Wayne was entitled to Income Support | 0:17:48 | 0:17:54 | |
and that was something that Wayne wasn't aware of. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
And it also identified the fact | 0:17:57 | 0:17:59 | |
that he was entitled to Child Tax Credits as well. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
So, that was quite a difference per month to this family. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
It was great news for Wayne that his family would be able | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
to get some more financial support. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
I was quite surprised that, cos I was actually entitled | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
not only to Income Support but to Child Tax Credits, Child Benefit and, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:21 | |
I think, we managed to get Michelle's DLA up as well to high rate care. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:26 | |
It's actually really helped us out with all that. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
It's boosted our finances up from about £800 | 0:18:29 | 0:18:35 | |
to, I think, it's nearly £1300-£1400 a month. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
It means all the bills are paid, | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
I can also feed the family with no problems whatsoever. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
Basically, I don't have to worry too much about money now. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:49 | |
Thanks to Home Start helping him find out what benefits | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
he was entitled to, Wayne now feels that he can stay at home | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
with his family for as long as they need him. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
And another Home Start initiative, | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
the weekly family group has also proven invaluable | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
in helping Michelle and Jake to strengthen their relationship. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
-You go off and play, darling. There's a good boy. See you later. -OK. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:13 | |
Michelle and Jake are able to spend some time together, | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
playing, having some fun. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
At home Jake has Dad and likes to play with Dad | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
but here it's, Michelle can have some bonding time with him. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:27 | |
Wayne has also noticed that attending the group | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
is really helping Jake and Michelle rebuild their relationship. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:34 | |
The bond is now starting to come back nice and strong. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
Jake is actually going to Michelle a lot more. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
He realises, now, that is his mum. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
Michelle's now getting to grips with the fact | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
that, yeah, she is his mum as well. And able to help out. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
OK, it's still with a lot of prompting but it is starting | 0:19:51 | 0:19:55 | |
to get there and she is starting to enjoy being a mother again. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
Michelle will probably never recover from the brain injury she suffered | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
during her last epileptic seizure. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
But thanks to Home Start and Lynette, in particular, | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
the Lambert family are now getting the financial | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
and emotional support they need. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
Where we're at now is we're nice and comfortable, | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
we're financially stable. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
Health wise, my health has benefited from it. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
I'm not quite so stressed | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
and I'm able to do a lot more with Jake as well as Michelle. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:32 | |
And with Home Start not being there, I don't know where I'd be. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
Without them I really don't know how I'd cope, basically. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:42 | |
Back now to the scroungers. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
And investigators are looking into the benefit claims | 0:20:47 | 0:20:51 | |
of mum of two Clare Evans. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:52 | |
She's been receiving Jobseekers Allowance, Income Support | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
and Housing and Council Tax Benefits since 2004. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
But investigators have discovered that Clare Evans has actually | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
managed to get credit worth tens of thousands of pounds in recent years | 0:21:03 | 0:21:08 | |
and a massive £65,000 has been deposited | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
in her current account in a period of just four years. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
Crikey. I mean, that's an awful lot of money for somebody | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
who, supposedly, hasn't got a job. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
But you want to find out where it's all come from. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
Yeah, you'll see that a lot of these items are listed as foreign items | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
which didn't mean anything to us at the time. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
Investigators don't know where the money's coming from | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
but they've got a good idea where it's going. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
Clare Evans has bought numerous luxury cars in recent years. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:39 | |
But how does someone who's been on benefits for so long get so much credit? | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
The first piece of the jigsaw dropped into place | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
when they decided to pay a call to her letting agent. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
We went to see this particular person, the agent, and he provided us | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
with a copy of the application she'd made when she rented the property. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
Along with that and the fact that she was getting credit | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
on these cars, she must've been telling people she had a job. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
Well, this is what we found out. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
She'd actually told the letting agent that she was employed as a model. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
-Earning £25,000 a year. -OK. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
Had been for about four years | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
and identified the studio for which she was working. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
Which is all the damning evidence you need | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
cos, no doubt, that had her signature on it. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
Indeed. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
Ah-ha. Supposedly unemployed Clare Evans, actually, | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
had a very lucrative career as a model. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
And it only took a few clicks on a search engine | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
to find some of the images of herself she was selling. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
We subsequently identified at least two sites | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
-that she was using to model on. -What are we talking about? | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
Catalogue modelling or something a little bit shadier. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:45 | |
Yes, glamour modelling, glamour modelling. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
One of the sites that she used, | 0:22:48 | 0:22:49 | |
she advertised her services for fees of up to £75 per hour. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:53 | |
-OK, so we're talking about adult sites? -Yes. -OK. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
Clare Evans might be a glamour model but she's no ditzy blonde. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:02 | |
She's been getting away with claiming benefits on the basis | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
that she is an unemployed mum of two in need of help to pay her rent. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
All the while earning tens of thousands of pounds a year as a model. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
And that's not all she's been sneaky about. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
The letting agent's paperwork also revealed | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
that Clare Evans was using more than one address. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
In the application that she made to rent the property, | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
she quoted her previous address as an address in Bristol. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
As far as we at the council were concerned, we had no record of that address. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
But records showed that she'd used that Bristol address to record all her credit at. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:36 | |
That meant that the letting agent, when they do their checks | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
to find out if she's going to be a good tenant, | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
it shows that she would have lived there for a long time, | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
she's got credit at the address. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
So, she was actually being dishonest with the credit companies, with the banks, with her letting agents. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:51 | |
-Obviously, the council, everybody. -She was. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
She had this one address which was getting her a good credit rating. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:58 | |
So, Clare Evans had managed to keep claiming benefits | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
by presenting herself as an unemployed mother of two | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
who can't afford her rent. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
But at the same time, she's living the high life | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
bankrolled by her secret career as a glamour model. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
In effect, what she's done is she's got, sort of, a split personality, here, hasn't she? | 0:24:12 | 0:24:16 | |
One which is really good and good enough to get credit for expensive cars. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
And another one which is good enough to give her benefits cos she's unemployed. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:24 | |
That's precisely right, yes. She's split her identity down the middle, I think. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
And what's worse is that Clare Evans has pulled a stunt like this before. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:34 | |
We prosecuted her for benefit fraud only back in 2008. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
At that time, she had falsified a tenancy | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
to enable her to get benefits she wasn't entitled to then. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
And we thought it was sufficiently serious that we prosecuted her. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
-She obviously didn't learn her lesson, did she? -Far from it. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
This time, investigators were determined | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
that Clare Evans realised the seriousness of her crime. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
We called her in for interview under caution, which is a formal interview. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:01 | |
And we asked her about her work. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
Sensing her number was up, she admitted | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
that she did, indeed, have a source of income that she hadn't declared. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
She told us that she was earning between £200 and £800 a month | 0:25:09 | 0:25:14 | |
-from her activities as a glamour model. -Wow. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
-Nice little income on top of your benefits, isn't it? -Very nice. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
In just four years, Clare Evans had amassed a fortune | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
of £65,000 in royalties for work she had done on adult modelling sites | 0:25:22 | 0:25:27 | |
and in online adult entertainment videos. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
But she had some very interesting logic as to why she felt | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
she didn't have to declare her income. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
She felt that it was such a small amount of work | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
she'd actually undertaken that it wasn't worth reporting. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
-What 65 grand in four years? -Well, she seemed to think that, | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
as I say, the hours that she put in to make the videos, | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
that we subsequently found out she was making, | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
didn't require her reporting them. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
It's not the amount she's earned, it's that she did the videos quite quickly. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
Well, that's what she thought. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:58 | |
But she'd have to do better than that to convince the courts to go easy on her. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
In July 2011, Clare Evans appeared at Bristol Crown Court | 0:26:03 | 0:26:08 | |
where she was charged with ten offences | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
relating to her claims to benefits. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
She pleaded guilty. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:13 | |
She'd defrauded the benefit system out of £62,000 | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
she wasn't entitled to. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
Although she was pregnant at the time of her court appearance, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
the judge showed no leniency towards this repeat offender | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
and sentenced her to ten months imprisonment. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
And, on her release, | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
she will have to repay all the money she stole from the benefit system. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
Some people think they can have their cake and eat it. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
Get a job that pays good money and claim benefits at the same time. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
But, scroungers, beware, | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
if you're going to live life in the fast lane | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
at the taxpayer's expense, you better keep an eye on your mirror. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
Because you never know when fraud investigators might be hot on your tail. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:55 | |
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