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Billions of pounds of our taxes should be going to the people | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
that really need it. Trouble is, people keep stealing it. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
Welcome to the world of Saints and Scroungers. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:13 | |
Saints and Scroungers is all about busting benefit thieves | 0:00:35 | 0:00:39 | |
who steal millions every year, and a crack team of investigators | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
determined to scupper their devious scams. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
And we also shine a light on those who genuinely need the money | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
and the people who help them get it. They are our saints. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
The saints get help and the fraudsters get their comeuppance. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
Coming up today: It's double trouble as fraud investigators | 0:00:58 | 0:01:03 | |
target a woman who is trying to hide her real identity. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
She just made the story up in order to put us off the trail. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
But will a tale of two birth certificates and some | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
undercover surveillance prove this Jamaican citizen is | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
messing the benefit system around? | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
His was a legitimate claim and hers was not. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
One family struggle to keep their heads above water. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
We're proud people, we still want to work hard and earn our living | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
so we can walk down the road and hold our heads up high, basically. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
But their lack of cash is having | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
a serious impact on their son's schoolwork. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
What are we going to do? How are we going to get a computer, | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
because everything at school, homework wise, is computer based? | 0:01:39 | 0:01:44 | |
Can a saint help solve their web woes? | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
One of the many things that makes this country so great | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
is that we look after our most vulnerable citizens. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
But if you're not one of our citizens, and you shouldn't even | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
be in the country, what on earth makes you think | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
you can claim our benefits? Beats me. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
This is Clover Jameson. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
Originally from Jamaica, she's a single mum of one | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
and lives in Edmonton, North London. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
It's fair to say she's had something of a chequered past | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
and has served time in a UK prison for drug related offences. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
But, having been released in 2003, she's stated looking for work | 0:02:21 | 0:02:25 | |
and claiming Jobseeker's Allowance from the Department for Work and Pensions, | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
as well as housing and council tax benefit from her local council. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
Enfield council's fraud investigation team | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
is headed up by Leslie Marshall. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
Clover Jameson had made a claim for income support in February 2004, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:43 | |
and when she made that claim she supplied some identification. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:48 | |
The identification she actually supplied was the release letter from HMP Send, | 0:02:48 | 0:02:53 | |
Where she'd served her prison sentence for drug related offences. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:58 | |
The council took Clover's prison release letter at face value | 0:02:58 | 0:03:03 | |
and set her up in a rented flat in Edmonton which was paid for with housing benefit. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
Housing benefit is a means tested benefit designed to help | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
people pay all or part of their rent. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
You may qualify for housing benefit | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
if you're on a low income and have less than £16,000 in savings. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:19 | |
The annual national housing benefit bill is over £20 billion | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
and five and a half billion of that is spent in London alone. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
With a secure roof over her head, in July 2005 Clover gave birth to a baby boy. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:36 | |
By 2007, she had decided it was time for the two of them to move house. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:42 | |
Clover Jameson informed us she'd moved address from Felixstowe Road | 0:03:42 | 0:03:47 | |
to Balham Road in Edmonton, North London, and that she wanted | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
to continue to receive housing benefit and council tax benefit at this address. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
With a new address noted in the system, Clover continued to receive | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
her benefit, which now also included child benefit and child tax credit. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:04 | |
So Clover Jameson lives in Balham Road. She's a single parent | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
and gets benefits from both Enfield council and the DWP. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
Nothing wrong with that. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
And Clover had one more bit of paperwork to attend to that year. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:19 | |
She decided to apply for a UK driving licence | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
and sent an application form to the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
The DVLA. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
But this application turned out to be not quite so straightforward. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
Clover Jameson submitted an application for a driving licence, | 0:04:33 | 0:04:38 | |
and with the application she supplied a UK passport. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
But the DVLA in doing their mandatory checks established | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
that that UK passport was a false passport. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
Alarm bells started to ring at the DWP. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
Until now, Clover Jameson's only form of ID had been | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
her prison release letter. | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
This Jamaican citizen had somehow acquired a British passport | 0:04:59 | 0:05:03 | |
and this fake passport had been rumbled by the DWP. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:08 | |
They got straight on the phone to Enfield Council who were also | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
paying benefits to her. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
They suspected that Clover Jameson was using a false identity | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
to claim those benefits, and a false UK passport. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:22 | |
Having received the tip off, Enfield council's dedicated | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
fraud investigation team started to look into the case. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
They are determined to crack down on all types of benefit fraud | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
in their borough but they face an uphill struggle. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
More that £800,000 worth of housing benefit alone was | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
identified as being fraudulently claimed in Enfield in 2010, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:45 | |
and that number may be just the tip of the iceberg. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:50 | |
The case was passed to the team's undercover fraud investigator. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
She needs to remain anonymous to ensure she can go after as many | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
benefit scroungers as possible without being identified. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
Her first step was to familiarise herself with Clover's file, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
and it soon become obvious that Clover had been keeping herself | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
pretty busy to ensure her benefits would keep on coming. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
Can you tell me, chronologically, what benefits Clover Jameson was claiming? | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
In February 2004, she applied for income support to the DWP, | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
and in turn she then made an application for housing | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
and council tax benefit to Enfield Council in March 2004. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:27 | |
Give me an idea how much we're talking about? | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
Well, housing benefit would have been about £190 per week, | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
to cover the rent for the property she was renting. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
She then, as part of verification process, submitted another claim form, | 0:06:35 | 0:06:40 | |
a postal review form to Enfield Council in February 2005, | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
and stated that her circumstances hadn't changed. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
In 2007, Clover informed the council | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
and DWP that she'd had a child and moved house. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
They continued to pay her child benefit, child tax credit and income support. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:59 | |
By this time, Enfield council had been paying her housing benefit and council tax benefit for six years, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:04 | |
but following the tip off from the DVLA, the authorities now suspected | 0:07:04 | 0:07:09 | |
that Clover Jameson might be using a completely false identity. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:14 | |
The referral from the DWP alleged that Clover Jameson was | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
actually Laura Lee Jones, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
and by submitting false identity documents she was committing | 0:07:22 | 0:07:27 | |
offences of making false statements on her claims to benefits. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
Investigators had to find out for certain who this woman really was | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
and the best way to do that was to go and talk to her face to face. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:38 | |
Time for a visit to Clover's home in Edmonton. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
Someone else lives at the property today, but in 2010 Clover was | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
claiming it was her home even though it didn't look inhabited. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:49 | |
When we arrived here, we found that the letter box was full up | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
with junk mail and letters addressed to other persons. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
We knocked on the door but there wasn't any answer. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
So after a few minutes we made some notes, left the property | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
and returned to the office. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:04 | |
Investigators had their suspicions that no-on was actually | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
living at the house on Balham Road, but they needed to establish | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
for certain whether or not Clover Jameson was resident | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
as she claimed on her housing benefit application. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
What did the DWP do? | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
We agreed to carry out a joint surveillance operation, | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
and that would mean that I would go to visit the property and establish residency with Clover Jameson. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:30 | |
This time they wanted to be sure Clover Jameson would | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
actually be home. Investigators clearly needed some bait | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
if they were going to land their prize catch, so they wrote to | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
Clover telling her she was required to be at home for a meeting | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
with Council officers to discuss her benefit entitlement. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
Every bit of evidence was crucial to this investigation, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
so teams from both Enfield Council | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
and the DWP carried out a full surveillance operation. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
On the day, the DWP officers arrived at the property, | 0:08:59 | 0:09:04 | |
and set up their surveillance from there. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
Myself and my colleague called at the property and were | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
let into the building by somebody pertaining to be Ms Clover Jameson. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:16 | |
It looked like Clover took the bait. When her benefits were at risk, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
she apparently thought it best to be at home. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
Investigators asked Clover for ID, | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
but she wasn't able to offer anything with her picture on it. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
We asked Ms Jameson if she had nay photographic identification, | 0:09:28 | 0:09:32 | |
and she said she did not. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
She said they had been in the glove compartment of her car | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
and unfortunately the car had been impounded by the police | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
following an incident, and was subsequently destroyed | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
because she could not afford the release fee. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
Therefore she did not have any photographic identification. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
My passport has been crushed along with my car? | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
Talk about far-fetched! | 0:09:53 | 0:09:54 | |
As far as excuses go, that one is way up there with the one I use to | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
use at school about the dog eating my homework and no-one believed me. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
The investigators were also not taken in by Clover's imaginative excuse. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
I did not believe what she was telling me was the truth, | 0:10:07 | 0:10:12 | |
I believe she had the documents | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
and she just made the story up to put us off the trail. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
But now the investigators had the elusive Clover Jameson | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
in their sights they were not going to lose track of her. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
I responded back to my DWP colleagues who then took up | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
the surveillance operation and viewed the property, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
and watched her leaving the property | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
and followed her on her journey throughout the day. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
So where was Clover Jameson going? | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
The officers then watched her travel on a train towards | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
Tottenham High Road, where they followed her, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
and continued to survey her for several hours whilst | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
she visited betting shops, a pub and a cafe in Tottenham. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:56 | |
They then observed her taking a taxi to Walthamstow. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
They followed and she arrived at the property, | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
she entered the building with her own key. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
Clover Jameson claims to be living in Edmonton | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
but she seems to be equally at home at another property in Walthamstow. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
Investigators now had to find out whose house this was | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
and who was really living there. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
For now, it's farewell to the fraudsters and hello to | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
the people we call our saints, those who are in genuine need of help but | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
are too proud and do not know how to claim what it rightfully theirs. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:38 | |
And the people who point them in the right direction. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:42 | |
Where money is tight, bringing up a large family can be | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
a constant struggle for even the most patient of parents. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
You name it, kids need it, clothes, trainers, mobile phones, | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
but when your children's schooling is suffering because of the lack | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
of a computer, that's when you know you've got to do something about it. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
Rachel Driscoll is a stay-at-home mum to three children. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
She was forced to give up her job as a relief pub manager when she had | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
her son, Joseph, 15 years ago as the hours were too long. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
Now her partner, Chris, is the family's sole breadwinner | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
and they are really struggling to keep their heads above water. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
I look after a big private estate and there's 80 houses on there. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:24 | |
I basically do all the grounds maintenance | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
and then some communal cleaning and any odd jobs that need doing. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:32 | |
Every day is five o'clock in the morning until six o'clock, | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
that's Saturday and Sunday as well as the week. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
And, as I say, call-outs, which could take an hour, two hours, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:43 | |
and that's four or five times a week I normally get called out. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
Rachel's had to do everything at home. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
She has to do all the dinners, get the kids from school. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
I never really see much of the kids apart from half an hour before bed, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
and that's if I'm lucky. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
As hard as he works, Chris still learns a very low income, | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
it's topped up by the state with working tax credits | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
and the family also receive child benefit, | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
but they still find it hard to get by, | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
especially as they need to run a car so Chris can take his tools to work. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:16 | |
This flat is, what, local authority? | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
-Yes. -OK, you live here, Chris is out working all the hours under the sun. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
-Yeah. -You've got your hands full. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
What's money like at the end of the month? | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
Very hard, I mean, we do struggle. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
Rachel has managed to stay positive despite constantly fighting | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
to stay financially afloat. But as the years went by, | 0:13:33 | 0:13:37 | |
the demands on the family income got greater. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
And it wasn't just toys and trainers that Rachel's children wanted. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:46 | |
What sort of things were your children saying, | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
"Mum, we need this," and it was affecting their schooling, give me an idea. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
I'd say with their homework because Joseph often had to do | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
different researches and things, | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
that you could only really do on the internet. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
And certain websites, the school would say you need to go onto this | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
site and look it up, and then you'll find the answer. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
So with things like that I'd say definitely Joseph did fall behind. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
Rachel was desperate for Joseph's schoolwork not to suffer | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
just because they couldn't afford a computer. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
Every day Joseph came in from school I dreaded it | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
because I knew it would be more homework, more internet, | 0:14:21 | 0:14:26 | |
and normally it had to be in either the next day or in two days' time. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:30 | |
So we had no time to waste so we'd either have to walk down | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
to our local library, which is about half an hour walk, | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
with the girls in tow and quite often | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
they didn't have a computer available | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
because there is only a few there. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
So then we'd have to try and walk to a friend's house who | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
I know is local to use her computer, but is she wasn't available | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
then it would be about an hour's bus ride to my parents' house | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
for poor Joseph just to get his homework done, | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
to be on time and not get in trouble at school. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
Rachel's mum, Carol, had a computer and access to internet | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
but it just wasn't practical to make the two hour round trip to | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
her house every night. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
Quite a long way from each other, If Rachel come on the bus, | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
that would be even more stressful for her, having to bring three children on the bus. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
Joseph probably not wanting to be there anyway but having to be | 0:15:18 | 0:15:23 | |
because he's got to do his homework. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
But in spite of all the travelling they were doing to ensure Joseph | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
could get his homework done, it didn't stop him falling behind at school. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:35 | |
Do you think your schooling suffered? | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
It did, yeah, cos I mean, I got homework set for a certain day, | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
say the next day, and I didn't have... | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
cos you get time set on the computers at the library, | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
I wouldn't have enough time to finish my homework | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
so I'd be missing out and my grades would be going down | 0:15:52 | 0:15:56 | |
so I wouldn't be able to learn as much as everyone else. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:01 | |
Rachel went to talk to Joseph's school and they let her rent | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
a small notebook computer for a few weeks. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
It was a temporary solution but Rachel got chatting | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
to a neighbour one day who gave her some great advice. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
I went to the toddler group | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
and the lady that ran it suggested that there's lots of different | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
charities that can help people like yourselves in your situation | 0:16:19 | 0:16:24 | |
to get some money just to help towards a computer. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
It sounded like the news Rachel had been waiting months for. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
I was quite excited by that | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
because I'm the sort of positive person, I went straight home | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
and decided, right, I'm going to have a look and see what I can find. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
Ironically, it was by coming home to use the notebook computer | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
she'd managed to rent from Joseph's school that Rachel found out | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
about an organisation that might be able to help her to buy her own one. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
I went home and I Googled, charities to help with money for a computer, | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
so when I saw few different things come up one stood out to me. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:02 | |
The Turn2us website offers a benefits check and grant search | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
where you can find out if you might be entitled | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
to some of the £19 billion worth of money that goes unclaimed | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
by needy families every year, | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
or you can call their helpline, which is just what Rachel did. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
The lady said to me, after taking a few details, | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
is your children disabled, | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
is there any things like that in your house and I said no. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
Then she said, "I'm really sorry, but there isn't anything that | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
"seems to be available but have you ever had a benefit check?" | 0:17:32 | 0:17:36 | |
Although there are no special grants available to help Rachel | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
with money to buy a computer, she was happy to take up the offer of a benefits check. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:45 | |
Good morning, Turn2us, Emma speaking. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
We had to explain to the lady on the phone, Turn2us, that | 0:17:47 | 0:17:53 | |
we lived in a council flat and we had to pay the rent, | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
and how much it was and the council tax and how much that was, | 0:17:56 | 0:18:01 | |
and what Chris' income was. There was a few other questions. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
When the lady decided that she had all the right answers, | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
she typed it all in onto her computer and come back to us and said to us, | 0:18:08 | 0:18:13 | |
"Did you know that you were actually entitled to housing benefit and council tax benefit?" | 0:18:13 | 0:18:18 | |
And I said, "No, I didn't." | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
Rachel was thrilled to hear that she was going to have a bit more money coming in. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
Although the benefit system can be tricky to navigate, | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
charities know just how crucial it is that people are helped | 0:18:28 | 0:18:32 | |
to find out exactly what they're entitled to claim. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
Council tax benefit and housing benefit will vary from council to council, | 0:18:34 | 0:18:39 | |
but it's enough that it can increase someone's standard of living. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
For some families, it might mean the difference between two square meals and three square meals a day, | 0:18:42 | 0:18:47 | |
so it's important that people claim everything they're entitled to. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
Although Turn2us couldn't help Rachel with money for a computer, | 0:18:50 | 0:18:55 | |
by contacting them, she still ended up much better off each month | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
and the family got their computer in the end, | 0:18:59 | 0:19:00 | |
as Rachel's mum upgraded her laptop and gave the old one to Joseph. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:05 | |
Now we're even luckier. We get help with our rent and council tax | 0:19:05 | 0:19:10 | |
and we're bonus one computer from my parents. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
Now life for the Driscoll family has completely transformed. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:20 | |
You've finally got your PC, you've got your money, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
so there's a lot less stress there. What about Joseph's schoolwork? | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
That's improved loads, because he can come home and he takes his bag off, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:30 | |
gets on his computer and gets on with his homework. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
So he's just as good as all the rest of the kids now. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
Thanks to the extra money they have each month, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
the Driscoll family can also afford to pay for an internet connection. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:45 | |
How's the computer situation at home? | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
It's good, it's really helpful now. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
I mean, all my homework's getting done on time, | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
I'm catching up with my work and all my grades have got a lot better now. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:56 | |
Until she contacted Turn2us, Rachel had no idea | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
she was entitled to benefits she wasn't claiming. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
We know there are many people in Rachel's situation, she is not untypical, | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
so people are not aware of the benefits that they are entitled to claim. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
In fact, the Government's own statistics tell us that | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
there are £6.4 billion in Working Tax Credit and Child Tax Credit | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
that goes unclaimed every year. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
But Rachel is now claiming what's rightfully hers | 0:20:18 | 0:20:23 | |
and it's making a big difference to her family's life. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
We don't owe any money to neighbours or friends or family | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
because we have that £10 that we need for the gas or electric. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
We're happy, we get by now. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
-Give a message to Turn2us, what would it be? -Thank you. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:41 | |
Thank you ever so much for being kind, for being helpful | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
and not looking down upon people like myself that ring up to ask for help | 0:20:44 | 0:20:49 | |
and carry on the good work. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
Back now to the scroungers and a curious case of identity fraud. | 0:20:56 | 0:21:01 | |
Clover Jameson from Edmonton in North London is under suspicion | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
of falsely claiming housing and council tax benefit | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
as well as child tax credit and child benefit. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
She's also in possession of a fake UK passport and that's not all. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
Investigators suspect that Clover Jameson might not be her real identity, | 0:21:15 | 0:21:20 | |
but that this woman is really a Jamaican national by the name of Laura Lee Jones. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:25 | |
Having carried out some initial surveillance, | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
they have reason to believe she is not resident at a flat she's claiming Housing Benefit for. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:33 | |
Her actions and her responses to questions | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
on the day of the surveillance operation leads me to believe that | 0:21:35 | 0:21:39 | |
she wasn't actually living at the property in Edmonton. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
One thing investigators do know for sure is that | 0:21:42 | 0:21:47 | |
their prime suspect has a child. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
Tell me about what the DWP found out about Clover Jameson's son. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:55 | |
They found that she had registered him in Enfield | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
using her name, Clover Jameson, as mother. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
OK, and claiming benefits for him. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
Correct. On the basis of that birth certificate, she was able to claim child benefit and child tax credits. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:09 | |
-And what else did you find out? -They also provided us with a copy of the birth certificate | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
that the child's father had registered him in Waltham Forest Council | 0:22:13 | 0:22:18 | |
citing the name of the mother as a Laura Lee Jones. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
In that case, he was able to claim child benefit and child tax credits for the child as well. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:27 | |
-So they're both at it? -They were. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
His was a legitimate claim and hers was not. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
So the picture was coming together. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
Clover Jameson claimed to be the single parent to her son | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
and that they lived together in north London. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
But the same child also apparently had a completely different mother | 0:22:39 | 0:22:44 | |
called Laura Lee Jones and a father who registered the birth | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
for a second time in a different part of London | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
and who was also claiming child benefit. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
It was pretty damning evidence. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
There was now enough information to justify carrying out a raid | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
on the property in Walthamstow that surveillance officers had already | 0:23:00 | 0:23:04 | |
seen Clover Jameson letting herself in to. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
When you were ready to pounce, what happened next? | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
Once we'd gathered all the evidence that we needed, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
myself on behalf of the London Borough of Enfield, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
my colleagues from Waltham Forest Council | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
and the Metropolitan Police UK Border Agency | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
and the Department for Works and Pensions | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
carried out a raid on the property in Walthamstow. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
Wow. That's quite a line-up. The investigators already knew | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
who the male resident at the property was | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
but was Clover Jameson also in residence? | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
We had surveyed Clover Jameson leaving the property in the morning | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
and taking her son to a local school. She then returned to the flat, | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
so we knew that she was actually in the property at the time. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
Clover was a sitting duck | 0:23:49 | 0:23:50 | |
and investigators seized their opportunity. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
On entering the property, the woman who identified herself | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
as Laura Lee Jones I recognised to be the same person that I had seen | 0:23:56 | 0:24:00 | |
as the Balham Road address and who had identified herself as Clover Jameson. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:05 | |
Gotcha! One woman, two names. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
Clover Jameson and Laura Lee Jones were one and the same person. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:14 | |
A search of the property also revealed documentary proof | 0:24:14 | 0:24:18 | |
that Clover and Laura shared one identity. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:22 | |
We found a number of documents. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
We found two provisional Jamaican driving licences, | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
one in the name of Clover Jameson and one in the name of Laura Lee Jones. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
-Did they have the same picture? -They did. -Right. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
-Bang to rights at that point, really, aren't you? -Pretty much. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
Investigators now had enough evidence to arrest Laura Lee Jones. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
She was interviewed under caution. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
Although initially replying, "No comment," to all of my questions, | 0:24:44 | 0:24:49 | |
she did eventually agree that she made false representations | 0:24:49 | 0:24:53 | |
on her claims to benefit to the London Borough of Enfield, | 0:24:53 | 0:24:57 | |
and that she had falsely claimed in the name of Clover Jameson. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:01 | |
Even though she had no right to reside in the UK, | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
over a period of seven years, Laura Lee Jones had claimed benefits | 0:25:04 | 0:25:09 | |
using the false identity of Clover Jameson and a fake British passport. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
She had claimed child benefit, child tax credit | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
and income support as a single parent using the address in Edmonton, | 0:25:16 | 0:25:20 | |
even though she was living with her partner and the father of her child in Walthamstow. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:25 | |
In total, she claimed over £40,000 worth of housing benefits | 0:25:26 | 0:25:30 | |
she wasn't entitled to and almost £3,500 worth of council tax benefits | 0:25:30 | 0:25:35 | |
from Enfield Council. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
To be honest, I was very surprised at the audacity of this woman. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
She created a false identity for herself and she kept it up | 0:25:40 | 0:25:45 | |
in order to claim benefits and take advantage of the system. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
She knew that what she was doing was wrong and she knew that she was not | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
entitled to claim any benefits in this country at all. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
Laura Lee Jones appeared at Wood Green Crown Court in June 2011, | 0:25:55 | 0:26:00 | |
where she was charged with eight counts of fraud, | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
including making false representations, obtaining money transfers by deception | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
and being knowingly involved in fraudulent activity. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
She pleaded guilty. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:12 | |
In total, Laura Lee Jones defrauded the benefit system | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
of £81,978.95 | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
and was sentenced to 18 months imprisonment. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
At the end of her sentence, she will be deported back to Jamaica. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
Laura Lee Jones clearly planned this offence. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
She came into the country illegally, she purchased a false UK passport | 0:26:31 | 0:26:35 | |
and she used a false name. When she made a claim for benefit, | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
she filled in the claim forms and provided false information. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
She signed declarations as the end of those claim forms to say | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
the information was true and correct. Clearly it was not. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
Laura Lee Jones thought she had beaten the system | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
and played us all for over 80 grand, | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
but it doesn't matter how clever cheats think they are, | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
sooner or later, they're going to get caught. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
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