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In this country, the money we pay as taxes goes to provide | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
essential services that we rely upon every day. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
It's also there to give us a safety net | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
if things go wrong or life takes an unexpected turn. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
This help comes in the shape of vital support that improves lives. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
Without the benefits, I would have had to take her out of nursery. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
Then there are people who see that money as something they deserve, even when they don't. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:26 | |
Those who cheat the system tend to get their comeuppance. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
Clearly, she was able to make significant profit. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
This is a world of Saints And Scroungers. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
Saints And Scroungers highlights the people using and abusing our benefit system. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:04 | |
On one hand, you have the genuine, on the other, fakers and fraudsters. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:11 | |
While investigators across the UK battle to bring the bogus claimants to justice, | 0:01:11 | 0:01:16 | |
the saints try their hardest to get people the help that they desperately need. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:22 | |
Coming up on today's show - | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
a fraudster operating across two London boroughs using different identities... | 0:01:25 | 0:01:31 | |
He defrauded London Borough of Ealing and Hammersmith and Fulham | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
of £174,000 in housing benefit claims. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
..a scrounger who has been claiming sickness benefits while living the high life... | 0:01:37 | 0:01:43 | |
They were computers with photographic evidence | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
showing details of holidays in Indonesia and the Maldives. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:51 | |
..and we meet a grandmother struggling to bring up her troubled grandchild | 0:01:51 | 0:01:56 | |
who finds help she didn't know existed. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
I'm a very proud woman. A very proud woman. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
I don't like asking for help, really. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
Hello, I'm Matt Allwright, I'm a TV presenter. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:14 | |
Luckily for you, there's only one of me. Imagine if there wasn't. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
Imagine if there were more of me with different names | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
but the same face, running around the country. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
It's a scary thought. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
Hello. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
Hola! | 0:02:29 | 0:02:30 | |
Funnily enough, that is exactly what some people do to commit benefit fraud. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
They create false identities | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
and then use those aliases to claim more benefits than they deserve. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
Go on, get lost! | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
Accept no substitute. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
Meet Rachid Walid, a 41-year-old French national who worked | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
part-time as a cleaner in a bakery and lived in a rented flat in Acton. | 0:02:54 | 0:03:00 | |
His wages were so low that Ealing Council paid for his housing costs and his council tax. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:06 | |
In total, he received nearly £26,000 in benefits over a 22-month period. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:11 | |
Everything appeared to be above board until the fraud unit at Ealing Council got a tip-off | 0:03:13 | 0:03:19 | |
that some foreign nationals might be using fake IDs. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:23 | |
Manager Sudhi Pathak was in charge of the case. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:28 | |
Islington provided us with some intelligence, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
specifically on the use of fake passports to claim benefits. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:35 | |
There were a batch of passports that had been stolen from France, | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
either from a variety of people | 0:03:39 | 0:03:40 | |
or an actual batch from the French authorities themselves. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
Those were the fake passports in circulation. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
With the prospect of loads of dodgy French passports floating around, | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
Sudhi immediately searched the benefits database in Ealing | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
to flush out any suspicious French claimants. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
We had a fraud profile, broadly they were of Algerian nationality, | 0:03:59 | 0:04:06 | |
single males, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
in the main, working a low number of hours, part-time hours, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:14 | |
which made them eligible to apply for housing benefit. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
That was a fraud profile that we were after. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
Yep, the profile fitted our part-time cleaner Rachid well. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:26 | |
Well, almost. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
He was a French Algerian but still pinged up on investigators' suspect list. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:34 | |
Rachid Walid came to our attention | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
and he had provided a number of documents to us that fitted | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
our profile of a single male living in a particular postcode at the time. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:47 | |
Initially, when his claim went through he had to submit his identification, | 0:04:47 | 0:04:52 | |
he submitted his passport. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:53 | |
He also had to provide proof of employment | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
and he'd provided a letter from an employer and payslips | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
and some timesheets to show the hours that he had worked. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:05 | |
Walid had given council officials all of the right paperwork | 0:05:05 | 0:05:10 | |
but it needed to be checked. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
C'est incroyable! It's unbelievable in French! | 0:05:12 | 0:05:17 | |
A series of hooky French passports being used to make fraudulent benefit claims. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:24 | |
Time for Ealing Council to channel their energies into investigating. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:29 | |
Sudhi's fraud team now prioritise their investigation | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
into the use of fraudulent French passports and they call it "Operation Rapport". | 0:05:37 | 0:05:44 | |
The lead officer on the team, who has asked for his identity | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
to remain anonymous, due to the nature of his job | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
had responsibility for investigating Mr Walid amongst others. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:54 | |
His first job was to confirm whether the passport Walid had used in his claim was genuine. | 0:05:54 | 0:06:00 | |
The French Embassy or the UK BA will normally tell you | 0:06:00 | 0:06:05 | |
whether the passport is counterfeit, | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
i.e. not on their database at all or if it's been substituted photograph. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:15 | |
So it's a real person but the passport has been stolen | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
and the photo replaced with that person's identity. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
Now, as EU nationals, French people are perfectly entitled | 0:06:23 | 0:06:28 | |
to claim benefits when they reside in the UK. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:32 | |
But if Walid was, in fact, Algerian, he wouldn't be entitled to anything. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
Had he been using a fake passport to get access to benefits? | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
Rachid Walid was confirmed as being a counterfeit passport. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
They had no record of that individual on the database from the French Embassy. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:51 | |
He wasn't French, he was a fake. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
The fraud team was now on the trail of a suspected benefit cheat | 0:06:54 | 0:06:59 | |
and the lead investigators started looking at all of the documents | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
that Walid had provided to support his claim. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
Checks were conducted with the employer he'd declared | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
initially in his claim for benefits, which is the Baker's Oven. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
It became apparent that the proof provided for Baker's Oven was fake. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:19 | |
He'd never worked for them, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
they had never employed anyone by the name of Rachid Walid. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
He'd made up everything about his employer. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
He never worked for Baker's Oven at all, | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
he just forged references, timesheets | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
and wage slips to qualify for benefits. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
So, who was this mysterious benefit claimant? | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
He was using a fake passport | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
and stolen and false identity to claim benefits | 0:07:42 | 0:07:47 | |
and the employer he claimed to be working for had never heard of him. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
It was time for the fraud team to get to the bottom of things. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
Rachid was now a prime suspect in Operation Rapport. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
The fraud team decided to pay him an early-morning visit | 0:07:58 | 0:08:03 | |
to find out what he had to say for himself. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
After we'd gathered enough evidence, my investigators | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
and the police raided a property on this road. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
We were intending to break into the property if necessary | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
in order to attempt to recover the fake passport, if possible. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:24 | |
It was approximately 6.50 in the morning, | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
we alerted the occupant just by knocking, who then opened the door. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:34 | |
It was then clear from the person who opened the door | 0:08:34 | 0:08:39 | |
that they resembled the person who was on the photo | 0:08:39 | 0:08:44 | |
used in the fake passport. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
Bingo! | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
The investigating team had got their man, or at least they thought they had. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
We asked if we could speak to Rachid Walid and he stated that no, he didn't know him. | 0:08:53 | 0:09:00 | |
He gave his name as Mr Brahim Lounnas. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
So, he didn't know Walid but was living in a house registered under that name. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:08 | |
That doesn't sound right. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
The officers had not come across the name Lounnas before | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
so they decided to make a quick call to find out if the story from Walid was valid. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:19 | |
We phoned the number that was provided on the claim form for Rachid Walid | 0:09:19 | 0:09:25 | |
and the phone started ringing in the house. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
So, let's get this straight. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
The bloke lived in Walid's house, had Walid's mobile phone and was a dead ringer for him | 0:09:33 | 0:09:38 | |
but was insisting he'd never met the man. Clearly, he's having a laugh. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:43 | |
The investigators now knew that Lounnas or Walid or whatever he was calling himself, | 0:09:43 | 0:09:49 | |
was not being honest with them. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
But he still wasn't going to make their job easy. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
Mr Lounnas remained silent pretty much throughout the time we were in the property. | 0:09:55 | 0:10:01 | |
A full search was conducted in which various documents were seized, | 0:10:01 | 0:10:08 | |
including a number of passport photos of the individual. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:13 | |
The same photos that were used by...as Rachid Walid in the photo on his passport. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:19 | |
A number of benefit documents relating to the Rachid Walid at Ealing. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:27 | |
A passport and benefit papers all in the name of Walid. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:32 | |
Evidence just doesn't get much better than that. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
It was looking like an open and shut case until the officers turned up with even more ID | 0:10:36 | 0:10:41 | |
with exactly the same picture on it. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
We found an ID for Brahim Lounnas, an Algerian ID. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:50 | |
An Algerian identity card with his photo attached. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:57 | |
So, who was this guy? Lounnas or Walid? | 0:10:57 | 0:11:02 | |
Whoever he was, he'd potentially stolen nearly £26,000 from Ealing Council | 0:11:02 | 0:11:07 | |
and Sudhi's team had now put together the evidence to prove it. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
Back of the net. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:12 | |
The team finally had the man but they were starting to realise | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
that the scale of this man's fraud | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
was much bigger than they'd ever suspected. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
When the property was raided, | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
we found a number of bank statements, details of mobile phones | 0:11:24 | 0:11:29 | |
but, more interestingly, documents that showed a number of other fake IDs. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:34 | |
For now, it's farewell to the fraudsters | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
and hello to the people we call saints. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
Those in our society that help others in genuine need | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
but who are sometimes too proud or don't even know how to claim what is rightfully theirs. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
Family life for most of us is the thing that brings and binds us together, | 0:11:54 | 0:12:00 | |
and in many cases, makes us who we are. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
But when tragedy strikes at the heart of a family, | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
it can change your life in a way you never thought possible. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:10 | |
41-year-old Jackie Somerford was a young grandmother who enjoyed an active social life. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:16 | |
But her carefree lifestyle came to an abrupt end in 1999 | 0:12:16 | 0:12:21 | |
when Bonnie, her teenage daughter, found out she was having Jackie's second grandchild. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:26 | |
Bonnie had a drugs problem and was in an unstable relationship. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
She didn't think she could cope with having a baby and neither did Social Services. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:38 | |
I did ask her one day, "Are you pregnant?" She said no. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:43 | |
And then a few weeks after, I asked her again, I said, "Are you pregnant?" | 0:12:43 | 0:12:48 | |
She said yeah...cos she was too far gone to have an abortion. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:53 | |
And the day of the scan, she found out what she was having as well | 0:12:55 | 0:13:00 | |
and then she came back from the hospital and asked me if I would take the baby on. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:06 | |
When Bonnie asked her mother for help with her unborn child, | 0:13:06 | 0:13:10 | |
Jackie really didn't feel she had any choice. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
I thought, I'd have to bring this child up | 0:13:14 | 0:13:19 | |
because I couldn't see him going in care. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
I knew she wasn't in a position, with the partner that she was with, to bring this child up. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:28 | |
In July 2001, Roger was born. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:33 | |
Jackie was hopeful that Bonnie's chaotic lifestyle would change | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
and she would grow into the mother she knew her daughter could be. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
But it was soon clear that wasn't going to happen any time soon. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:44 | |
-Hello, how are you doing, Jackie? -Hello. -Good to see you. -Come in. -Thank you. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:49 | |
Are you able to talk to Bonnie about this and make sense and talk about responsibilities? | 0:13:49 | 0:13:54 | |
How do those conversations work? | 0:13:54 | 0:13:59 | |
Bonnie's attitude was, once he was born, she'd come out that hospital | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
and Roger was going to me, and that was it. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:08 | |
Suddenly, you have got a young child to look after, a baby. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
But you have got your own life. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
How did things change for you, practically? | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
-I had to give up work. -How does that work out financially for you? | 0:14:17 | 0:14:22 | |
It didn't at the time because I had to go on state benefit. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:29 | |
Not something you would have chosen to do? | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
No, not at all. I was happy working. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:37 | |
I was just getting my life together, working, I was happy. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:45 | |
All of a sudden, I had to give it all up. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
-Suddenly, this bombshell. -This little boy's appeared | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
and I had to give quite a lot of things up. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
Jackie wanted to provide Roger with a secure and stable upbringing | 0:14:55 | 0:15:00 | |
so she applied for and was given custody of him by the family court. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:05 | |
She was determined to give her grandson the same positive start in life | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
that her own three children had, | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
but when Roger became a toddler, Jackie realised this was going to be difficult. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:17 | |
At the age of three, I noticed the behaviour with him. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
I would go up to the nursery to pick him up | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
and he would have had an outburst where he would trash the whole playgroup. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:31 | |
That's books, toys. He would trash about twice, three times a week. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:37 | |
They got fed up with cleaning it up, so what we used to have to do, | 0:15:37 | 0:15:42 | |
if he trashed it, we'd have to go up and clean up. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
I just couldn't make out why he was doing it. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:49 | |
I used to ask the nursery assistant, "Has something gone on here, | 0:15:49 | 0:15:55 | |
"has he fallen out with a friend or something?" | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
They couldn't pinpoint what was going on. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:04 | |
As he's getting older, though, | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
when was the point when you noticed that actually Roger might have | 0:16:07 | 0:16:12 | |
erm...certain areas of his life | 0:16:12 | 0:16:16 | |
where it's not quite working out the same as your other three kids? | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
He went to Year 1 and he started to really be bad. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:25 | |
Erm, wouldn't do any work, he would disrupt the class. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:32 | |
-Still, clearly, things are wrong. -Yes. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
What were you thinking at this point? "How did I get into this situation?" | 0:16:35 | 0:16:39 | |
Yes, I did. That's how it was. "Why is it happening to me?" | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
After Roger's disruptions at school, he was assessed by a doctor | 0:16:43 | 0:16:48 | |
and diagnosed with having emotional social behaviour. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
He was taken out of mainstream school and placed in a special needs school. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:57 | |
Jackie was struggling to cope with Roger's violent outbursts | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
and just when she thought things couldn't get any worse, Bonnie disappeared. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:06 | |
I got a phone call from a friend of hers | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
to say that she had been missing a week. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:11 | |
So, I told that friend to phone the police and report her missing. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:18 | |
In that week, she would either had got in contact with me or this friend. But she hadn't. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:24 | |
No-one had seen nothing of her and that wasn't like Bonnie. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:30 | |
Bonnie was placed on the missing person's list | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
and when Jackie heard from the police, nothing could have prepared her for the news | 0:17:33 | 0:17:38 | |
that she got about her daughter. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
I received a phone call from the police | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
asking to come over | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
and, erm, to see me. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
They came over and they introduced themselves to me as homicide. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:58 | |
And I just looked at them and they said, "Murder squad." | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
I said, "I know who you are." | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
At that time, Bonnie was a very serious, serious, missing person. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:10 | |
I told them she was dead and they asked me how do I know? | 0:18:13 | 0:18:19 | |
I said because the week she was missing, | 0:18:19 | 0:18:23 | |
I had a gut feeling that something was wrong but I couldn't tell you... | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
to this day, I still can't tell anyone - | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
that gut feeling was horrible. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
Tragically, her gut feeling was spot-on. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
The police confirmed Bonnie had been killed. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
It was a nightmare for Jackie | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
but even as she was grieving for Bonnie, | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
she had to stay strong for her grandson, who was just six years old at the time. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:49 | |
There was Roger that I had to think of. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
I had to try and shield him but when he found out about his mum, | 0:18:53 | 0:19:00 | |
that did have a big impact on his behaviour again. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
Jackie wanted to help Roger as much as possible. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
It was tough for her as a single gran on benefits just to get basic things like clothes. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:15 | |
He was growing fast, was larger than other kids his age. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
His growth spurt meant Jackie was struggling to cope and keep him in new clothes. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:24 | |
Have you read that one? | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
She was at a loss as how to provide more for him | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
until she heard about an organisation which might be able to help. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:34 | |
I heard about Family Fund through another parent at school, who is now a friend of mine. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:41 | |
She told me what she got for her son off them. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
She said to me, "You want to try." | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
I always thought Family Fund was for cancer victims, | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
not children with disabilities, like with behavioural problems. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:56 | |
The fund distributes money on behalf of the government to children with disabilities | 0:19:56 | 0:20:01 | |
for things that will improve their lives for which they can't afford. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:06 | |
It takes as much as three times more to raise a child with a disability | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
than without a disability. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
So there are those increased costs for families to find. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:17 | |
Even very basic things like providing new clothes and shoes | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
can be an added strain on families' finances. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
It sounded like just the kind of help Jackie had been dreaming of for Roger. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
She'd been finding caring for him really hard work | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
both in terms of his outbursts and trying to provide basic things for him. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:37 | |
So she applied to the charity for help. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:40 | |
But would Roger's diagnosis of emotional social behaviour | 0:20:40 | 0:20:45 | |
be considered a specific enough condition to warrant that help? | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
'We have a clear set of guidelines.' | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
The grants that people apply for | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
have to be very clearly related to the child's disability. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
At last count 5.9 million UK residents of working age | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
were claiming benefits, whether it's because of their disability | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
to bridge the gap while they're out of work | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
or to top up their income to make a living wage. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
Now, for the majority, the welfare system provides a crucial safety net | 0:21:14 | 0:21:18 | |
that they can rely upon in their hour of need. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
But for all those innocent benefit claimants out there, | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
there will be a few pocketing money which isn't rightfully theirs. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
Whether they've forgotten to declare a change in their circumstances | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
or deliberately misled the authorities, | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
a billion pounds a year is lost to benefit fraud. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
Thankfully, teams of investigators all over the country | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
are trawling data on computers, studying claim forms | 0:21:44 | 0:21:48 | |
or out there on the streets determined to catch the cheats red-handed. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
Today's cheat - the scuba-diving scammer. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
A painful back condition can be debilitating and depressing | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
when it leaves you unable to fulfil even the most simple of tasks. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:09 | |
It can ruin your basic quality of life | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
and make very hard work for those who are supporting you. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
The benefit system is designed to help people | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
who happen to find themselves struggling with illness, | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
people like Rose Jones who claimed she had a painful | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
degenerative spinal condition after suffering a stroke. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
Rose Jones first claimed incapacity benefit in June 1994 | 0:22:30 | 0:22:35 | |
because she had a back condition that was such that she was unable to work. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:41 | |
Later she also claimed disability living allowance. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
In September 2008, she submitted another self-assessed disability living allowance claim | 0:22:46 | 0:22:51 | |
saying that her condition had deteriorated. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
She said she had trouble walking, getting up and down the stairs, | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
she had trouble at night when her back locked up | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
and she required assistance. She had trouble washing. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
She had trouble cooking | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
and she even said she was unable to open a bottle of wine. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
Her life sounds like a complete nightmare. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
Fortunately she could rely on the benefits to help her out | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
and because she was assessed as requiring the highest rate of assistance, | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
her husband, Reg, got a carers allowance as well. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
The Department for Work and Pensions had no reason to suspect | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
there was anything wrong with Rose's claim until they got a tip-off | 0:23:28 | 0:23:33 | |
she was a bit more mobile than she was letting on. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
It was in November 2009 that we received an anonymous allegation | 0:23:39 | 0:23:44 | |
that Rose's claim may not be correct. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:48 | |
In this instance the suggestion was that Rose was working. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
Working with a back like hers? | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
She can't even walk up the stairs or open a bottle of Chateau le Cheat | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
let alone get out and about. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
Rose had been claiming benefits for over 15 years | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
so if she'd been working on the sly, how long had this been going on? | 0:24:05 | 0:24:10 | |
Using access to systems that were available to the department, | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
we checked her National Insurance records and we found information | 0:24:14 | 0:24:19 | |
to show that, yes, she was receiving an income from an employer. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
That sounds serious. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
Oh, yes, and the investigators thought so too. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
Rose's story of being unable to do the most basic things just didn't ring true | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
and the Department for Work and Pensions was on the case. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:37 | |
Having established that Rose was in receipt of income | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
from an employer, what we wanted to assure ourselves then | 0:24:42 | 0:24:46 | |
was that that income was in respect of paid work. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
Our inquiries established that Rose had started work in 1996 | 0:24:52 | 0:24:57 | |
whilst claiming her benefits as a care worker in a care home. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:01 | |
Later in 2001, | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
she started work as a caretaker in London working 35 hours a week. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:10 | |
It was at this time that she also took on an additional job | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
as a concierge for a further 40 hours a week. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:17 | |
So, at one stage, she was working up to 75 hours a week. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
Those are some pretty long shifts. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
Her back must be in better shape than mine | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
if she's doing those kind of hours. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
Oh, dear. It sounds like it's all about to unravel. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
And it did when the Department for Work and Pensions fraud team | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
decided to take the investigation to the next level | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
and raid Rose's home with the police. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
Rose was not at the address but we were able to search the address | 0:25:46 | 0:25:50 | |
and it was there that we found scuba-diving equipment | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
and skiing equipment. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:54 | |
Of the other evidence that we found at the address, | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
there were computers with photographic evidence | 0:25:57 | 0:26:01 | |
showing details of holidays in Indonesia and the Maldives. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:05 | |
Rose had been doing, what can only be described as, adrenaline sports | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
and jetting off around the world at the taxpayers' expense. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:14 | |
Her back was obviously in quite good shape. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
But seeing holiday snaps was one thing, | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
proving she was defrauding the benefit system is quite another. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
During the search, we seized information that showed us later | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
when we put it together as a timeline, | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
that there was a fortnight period in August 1994 | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
where Rose signed her initial claim to disability living allowance, | 0:26:31 | 0:26:35 | |
went away on holiday and passed the basic diving qualification. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:40 | |
There was also a diving watch that later provided evidence to show | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
the details of where Rose had been diving and when | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
over the whole period of her claim to benefit. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
In court, Rose found it, well, a bit difficult to explain | 0:26:52 | 0:26:57 | |
why she'd been claiming benefits while working and going on exotic holidays. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
The couple also found it tricky to justify why Reg was getting paid | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
for taking care of Rose when she was as clearly as fit as a fiddle. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
After a two-week trial at the crown court, | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
they were found guilty of all charges. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
Reg was sentenced to 18 months in prison | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
and Rose was sentenced to 15 months. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
The total amount of incapacity, disability and carers benefits | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
fraudulently claimed by the couple was just over £138,000. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:32 | |
If you want expensive holidays and hobbies, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
you've got to be able to afford them. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
This is one group of Joneses that I wouldn't suggest you keep up with. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
It's time to leave the devious world of the scrounger | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
and return to those who are genuinely in need. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
Jackie Somerford has been bringing up her grandson Roger | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
since he was a baby after her daughter Bonnie | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
was considered too unfit to care for him. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
Living on benefits, she's been finding it tough to afford | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
basic things for him like clothes. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
Roger was diagnosed with having emotional social behaviour aged five. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:16 | |
When him mum Bonnie died, his behaviour got really bad. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
Lucy Cope is a close family friend | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
and saw first-hand how his behaviour changed after the tragedy. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:27 | |
He became obviously distressed, first and foremost. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:33 | |
Angry, volatile. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
There's no way to begin to imagine | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
what was going through his mind at that time and at that stage. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:41 | |
Last summer, the amount of tears... | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
..Jackie shed was like a river. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
She didn't know which way to turn or where to go. It was heartbreaking. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
Heartbreaking. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:51 | |
I brought some information around. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
Desperate to help Roger get back on track | 0:28:54 | 0:28:56 | |
Jackie approached a government fund that gives grants to children with disabilities. | 0:28:56 | 0:29:02 | |
Roger was growing out of his clothes fast so she needed help, | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
she also wanted to get him a computer | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
so he could catch up at school and focus on his homework, | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
something he often failed to do at home. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
Jackie applied to the fund earlier this year | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
and she needed some help with some basic items like clothing | 0:29:17 | 0:29:23 | |
and was looking for help with a computer. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
We prioritise who we do visit. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
We have a number of groups of people that we prioritise. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:34 | |
So, grandparents is one of those groups | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
because we feel they are particularly isolated, | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
that they don't have access to information. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
So those are some of the things that we help with. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
We looked at her application form and felt that Jackie needed a visit | 0:29:45 | 0:29:49 | |
by one of our advisers who would go into her home, | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
talk about her application. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
In 2011, the charity handed out grants to over a thousand grandparents | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
who were bringing up their grandchildren. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
In recent years, they've seen an upsurge in applications | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
from grandmothers like Jackie. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:08 | |
The big question was, | 0:30:10 | 0:30:11 | |
would Roger be one of the lucky beneficiaries in 2012? | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
We have a clear set of guidelines for assessing disabled | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
and seriously ill children at visits. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
Those guidelines were used by the adviser at the visit | 0:30:24 | 0:30:28 | |
to look at Roger's needs on a number of levels. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
So, we've looked at the fact Roger attends a special school, | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
the fact he needs a huge amount of supervision | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
in terms of his personal care, in washing and dressing and eating. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:41 | |
Jackie was hoping that her request for a computer for Roger | 0:30:41 | 0:30:45 | |
to help him with his education would be successful. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
I went to visit Jackie in South London to find out what's happened. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:54 | |
Two weeks after me visit, I got a phone call from them | 0:30:55 | 0:30:59 | |
to say that I'd been accepted... | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
..and Roger had got his computer... | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
..which I think's good because it'll help him | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
learn a little bit more and help him with homework. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
Do you think it's something that'll make a big difference? | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
Yeah, a very big difference to him. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:17 | |
Would it have been outside your budget otherwise? | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
Yeah, yeah, definitely. I wouldn't have been able to afford it myself. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:24 | |
How does it make you feel? | 0:31:24 | 0:31:26 | |
You've been through such an incredible story | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
and at the end of this I'd imagine there's part of you | 0:31:29 | 0:31:33 | |
that just feels that you're kind of up against it, | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
you're in it by yourself and you don't want to accept help, | 0:31:36 | 0:31:40 | |
-does that make sense? -Yeah. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:42 | |
-I mean... -I'm a very proud woman. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
A very proud woman. I don't like asking for help really. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
I'd rather save if I have to. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
But if there's people out there to help you, | 0:31:55 | 0:31:59 | |
well, go for it. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
Tell me about Roger now. Where's he at? | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
How is he these days? Because he's had some problems. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
Yeah, he's had problems. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:09 | |
At his new school, he's doing really well | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
which we thought, again, another change. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:16 | |
From primary school to secondary is a big change. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:20 | |
We really thought we was going to have a lot of problems. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:24 | |
But, no, he's really settled down and knuckled in. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
The small grant provided by the charity has been instrumental | 0:32:29 | 0:32:33 | |
in helping Roger move on with his life. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
And for fund manager Clare Kassa it's been a successful case of | 0:32:37 | 0:32:40 | |
helping a particular type of family unit that all too often misses out. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:45 | |
Let's just look at Jackie and Roger. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:49 | |
He's not had the best time at schools in the past. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
This is a way, presumably, he can educate himself a little bit. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:56 | |
It means he can have access to those tools and go online | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
and improve his ability and skills | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
and help him to reach his potential academically. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
Jackie seemed not to really know about Family Fund | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
and she didn't really feel that she was due anything from you. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
Is that something you encounter quite a lot? | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
We do encounter it quite a lot with grandparents. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:20 | |
Lots of grandparents don't know that the Family Fund exists | 0:33:20 | 0:33:24 | |
because they're not linked into the same support networks | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
that other parents are. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
And grandparents looking after their grandchildren, | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
is that a special area, do you think, that sometimes gets overlooked? | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
It certainly is. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:36 | |
Jackie's story is incredible, it really is, | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
I've never heard anything quite like it. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
You're able to make a judgment there and individually say, "Look, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
"this is someone who needs just a bit of help and we can give that." | 0:33:46 | 0:33:50 | |
Yeah. Families like Jackie and Roger | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
have immense other challenges to face | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
because of the child's disability and their access to technology | 0:33:55 | 0:34:00 | |
and to recreation is much more limited than for other families. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
So we provide those things to give people the choices | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
that actually lots of other families have as a right. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
These families don't have those opportunities. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:15 | |
Jackie's been through some dark times with Roger | 0:34:15 | 0:34:18 | |
but this government-funded organisation has helped | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
to make the future look a lot brighter. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
Something good has happened out of this with Family Fund. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
Because they've helped my family. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:30 | |
If they can help my family, they can help other families as well | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
and make life better for a lot of people. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
Jackie's having to steer her family through a series of experiences | 0:34:39 | 0:34:43 | |
which for most of us are unimaginable | 0:34:43 | 0:34:45 | |
and she's helping her grandson to heal the most painful of scars. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:51 | |
The help she's receiving may seem small | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
but when you're trying to be strong sometimes knowing that there's someone | 0:34:53 | 0:34:57 | |
looking out for you can make a huge difference. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
OK, everyone, sit up straight, it's scrounger time. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
The fraud team at Ealing Council have been taking part | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
in a London-wide investigation into fake French passports being used to claim benefits. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:20 | |
The team discovered that a claimant called Rachid Walid had been | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
using a false passport to get housing benefit. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
But when they raided his address, despite looking like Walid, | 0:35:28 | 0:35:32 | |
he claimed he was someone else. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
Brahim Lounnas - | 0:35:36 | 0:35:37 | |
his name came to our attention | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
when we visited the property | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
initially looking for Rashid. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
The door was opened by a gentleman who introduced himself as Brahim Lounnas | 0:35:45 | 0:35:50 | |
who looked very similar or identical to the photograph of Rachid Walid. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:57 | |
Brahim Lounnas was a new name to me. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:02 | |
It wasn't someone... It wasn't a name that we were investigating | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
or that we were connected with. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
So, um... | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
It was new to us but the decision was taken because of the look | 0:36:09 | 0:36:13 | |
and the resemblance, | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
that we wanted to go inside and look. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
And it was a good job that the team did go decide to search his house | 0:36:18 | 0:36:22 | |
because not only did they find fake documents | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
relating to Walid, they found other incriminating evidence. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
As the search continued and the different IDs were being found, | 0:36:30 | 0:36:36 | |
bank cards, chequebooks, bank statements | 0:36:36 | 0:36:42 | |
in the names of Abdeslem Farahi, | 0:36:42 | 0:36:46 | |
and Kerrime Messikh | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
and benefit documents for Hammersmith and Fulham | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
relating to a Nouredine Messikh. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:55 | |
This wasn't just a case of one man and his alter ego. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:59 | |
This man seems to have a different identity | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
for every day of the working week. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
The team had uncovered a treasure trove of other fake IDs | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
but they still had to find out who was behind the operation. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
The three other fake IDs in the names of Abdeslem Farahi | 0:37:12 | 0:37:17 | |
and Kerrime Messikh and Nouredine Messikh were being used | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
to make benefit claims from neighbouring Hammersmith and Fulham Council. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:25 | |
Benefit claims that matched identically the type of claims | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
Lounnas had been making in the name Rachid Walid. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
The team in Ealing immediately contacted their colleagues | 0:37:35 | 0:37:38 | |
in Hammersmith and Fulham about what they'd found. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
The investigation became a joint investigation | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
between ourselves in Ealing and Hammersmith and Fulham Council. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:51 | |
They had... | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
..three different claims in three different IDs mentioning | 0:37:54 | 0:37:59 | |
Abdeslem Farahi, Nouredine Messikh and Kerrime Messikh | 0:37:59 | 0:38:03 | |
at different addresses going back over various time frames. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:07 | |
Quite a large overpayment of benefit had been made | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
from Hammersmith and Fulham. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:14 | |
During the search of the house, the investigators found | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
different folders with the names of the three bogus claimants, | 0:38:17 | 0:38:21 | |
Abdeslem Farahi, Kerrime Messikh and Nouredine Messikh | 0:38:21 | 0:38:25 | |
and fake documents relating to their claims | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
from Hammersmith and Fulham Council. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
They started looking into the other three claims. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:33 | |
All of them worked short, part-time hours | 0:38:33 | 0:38:35 | |
in order to qualify for benefits. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:37 | |
All were doing the same kind of job | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
and all their IDs had been stolen, according to the French Embassy. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
Some people have skeletons in their closet, | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
this guy had whole identities in his cupboard. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:50 | |
Passports, bank cards and statements, correspondence | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
and all in different names. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
When the fraud team analysed the employment documents relating to the benefit claims, | 0:38:58 | 0:39:04 | |
they discovered the names of employers had been made up. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
The whole thing was a pack of lies. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:09 | |
We passed on all our findings to Hammersmith and Fulham | 0:39:09 | 0:39:13 | |
and gave them that information | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
and unfortunately they'd been defrauded as well. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
He defrauded the London borough of Ealing and Hammersmith and Fulham | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
of £174,000 in housing benefit claims. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:26 | |
Wow! £174,000. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:28 | |
Serious money. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:30 | |
£26,000 had been stolen from Ealing Council | 0:39:30 | 0:39:34 | |
and £148,000 from Hammersmith and Fulham. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:38 | |
The team knew the fraudster had rented three properties in Fulham | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
and one in Ealing in order to commit the fraud | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
but what was he doing with all of them? | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
The rents were being paid in the property in Acton, in Cotton Avenue, | 0:39:46 | 0:39:50 | |
but we don't know if he was residing in the Acton property | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
at that stage or in any of the Hammersmith and Fulham properties. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:59 | |
It seems likely that there may have been, in order to obtain | 0:39:59 | 0:40:04 | |
financial gain, there may have been subletting taking place | 0:40:04 | 0:40:08 | |
in some or all of the Hammersmith and Fulham properties. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:14 | |
So he was getting the properties paid for by the taxpayer | 0:40:16 | 0:40:20 | |
and then renting them out again. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:22 | |
For over five years, the fraudster had been a landlord at our expense. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
The estate agents that managed the properties | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
where the bogus claimants were registered had to be contacted | 0:40:29 | 0:40:33 | |
and they turned out to be very helpful. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
I went along to Churchill's letting agents and showed them | 0:40:36 | 0:40:41 | |
a photo of Brahim Lounnas, | 0:40:41 | 0:40:43 | |
the person we had identified at the address who had given that name. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:49 | |
They confirmed that the photo of Brahim Lounnas | 0:40:49 | 0:40:53 | |
was the same of that for Rachid Walid | 0:40:53 | 0:40:57 | |
who had taken out a tenancy at that address in Cotton Avenue. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:02 | |
Result! | 0:41:04 | 0:41:05 | |
An independent eye witness that could confirm | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
Lounnas had been posing as Walid. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
When the team interviewed the other letting agencies | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
about the other aliases, Nouredine, Kerrime and Abdeslem, | 0:41:13 | 0:41:17 | |
they all confirmed they'd been dealing with Lounnas as well. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:21 | |
Once we'd carried out the raid and carried out further checks, | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
we came to the conclusion we'd found out that the | 0:41:24 | 0:41:26 | |
true identity of this person was Lounnas | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
and all of the other IDs were false IDs. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
Sudhi had to piece the complicated case together | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
and his prime suspect wasn't being very helpful. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
After Brahim Lounnas was arrested, he was brought in for questioning | 0:41:39 | 0:41:44 | |
and interviewed under caution. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:46 | |
He did identify himself as Brahim Lounnas | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
but he refused to comment and didn't answer any of our questions. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
He might have been tight-lipped in the interview room | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
but when he was faced with a judge, somehow he found his voice. | 0:41:55 | 0:42:00 | |
In January 2012, Lounnas appeared before Isleworth Crown Court | 0:42:00 | 0:42:05 | |
and pleaded guilty to 13 charges. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:09 | |
He was sentenced to serve three years in prison. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:11 | |
It was a good result for Ealing fraud team | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
and it's a case the council has certainly learned some lessons from. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:25 | |
In the aftermath of the Lounnas case, we decided to take some proactive action. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:30 | |
What we've introduced is a document ID checker. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
That allows us to scan passports and to scan driving licences. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:37 | |
As soon as something fake is discovered, we know what's happening | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
and we can contact UKBA and do an investigation ourselves. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:44 | |
Hopefully nothing like this will happen again. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
So, fraudsters, beware. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
You may be good with coming up with new names, different haircuts | 0:42:49 | 0:42:53 | |
and different faces but when you end up in jail, | 0:42:53 | 0:42:57 | |
the identity you'll be using will be the real one. | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
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