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Every year, billions of pounds of our taxes are spent | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
on those in genuine need of financial help, | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
money that's a lifeline for people that deserve our support. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
Everything was crumbling around me. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
But unfortunately, about a billion goes on lining the pockets of | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
those who aren't entitled to it. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
This is just pure greed and nothing else. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
But if you cheat the system, you're being watched. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
We knew where to look straightaway. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
Welcome to the world of Saints And Scroungers. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:32 | |
Saints And Scroungers shines a light on the good | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
and the bad of our benefits system, and highlights those who | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
deliberately steal from the public purse. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
It's a simple case of need versus greed. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
And it's a battle that's fought every day across the UK, | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
investigators bringing fraudsters to justice and saints fighting | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
to make sure that people get what they're genuinely entitled to. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:18 | |
Coming up on today's show... | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
Corrupt council managers who aren't just fiddling expenses | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
but using fake employees to steal taxpayers' cash. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
And out of that, she was making over £100,000? | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
Well over £100,000, yes. Definitely worth her while. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
And we meet a young mother and daughter who get help dealing | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
with a difficult and troubling disorder. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
Because she can't tell us what she wants, | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
she can't make her feelings known, so she does get very angry. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:49 | |
Being a role model to today's youth is a difficult but important job. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:58 | |
You need to keep them on the straight and narrow, | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
guide them onto the right path, and it takes someone who's honest, | 0:02:00 | 0:02:05 | |
trustworthy and reliable. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:06 | |
Which is why Peter Nicholson, who built up years of employment at | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
Newham Council, was given the very coveted title of the | 0:02:10 | 0:02:15 | |
Head of the Youth Offending Team. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
In 2011, the fraud unit in Newham won a national award for being the | 0:02:19 | 0:02:24 | |
most effective team in the UK for tracking down benefits cheats. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
But I've come to the borough to find out about | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
a very different kind of fraud... | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
theft of council funds by its own staff. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
Emma Vick is head of Fraud Investigations in Newham. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
Tell me about the Youth Offending Team. How does that work? | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
The Youth Offending Team is a team within the borough whose job | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
is to rehabilitate young offenders. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
And they've got social workers, probation officers and Newham staff | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
as well, that all work together to do that. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
-And they're very successful? -Very good, yeah. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
And they've been going for several years. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
It's something that, obviously, Newham's pretty proud of. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
We're very proud of it. They started in the year 2000, and we've actually | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
been complimented on how well we did deal with our young offenders. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
OK. Who is the man at the head of that? | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
-There was a man called Peter Nicholson. -OK. Tell me about him. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
Peter Nicholson's worked for Newham for a long time. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
He was actually brought in specially to head up the YOT in 2000, | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
he took that role on from its inception. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
He got an OBE for working for Newham, as well, for services to | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
Youth Offending, and was seen to be very successful. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
Both Nicholson and his team seemed to be on top of their game, | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
but in 2006, his department, and more specifically, | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
his finance officer Shirin Bazrcar, | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
were about to ping on Emma Vick's radar. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
A member of staff who worked for the Youth Offending Team had received | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
some notification from the Inland Revenue. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
This showed that her employer was Shirin Bazrcar. She was under | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
the impression she was employed by Excel Staffing Solutions. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
She felt that this may be a conflict of interest. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
The member of staff reported this to Peter Nicholson, | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
who, in turn, reported it to me. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
If he hadn't done this, it was quite likely the member of staff | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
would have reported it to another manager and reported it again. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
Hold on a minute. Shirin had two jobs, | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
one with the council and one running her own employment agency. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
By employing youth workers from her own company, | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
Excel Staffing Solutions, | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
to work for Newham's Youth Offending Team, Shirin could be potentially | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
pocketing the commission. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
Emma Vick began investigating the allegation. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
It turns out it was one of many flying around the department, | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
and not just about Shirin. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
Peter's business trips abroad had cropped up during enquires, as well. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
Once we started looking into the Youth Offending Team, | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
we became aware of some rumours | 0:04:49 | 0:04:50 | |
regarding misappropriation of funds regarding trips to Canada, | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
and also the employment of ghost employees. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
Ghost employees? Spooky. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
It seems that Emma had opened up a can of worms, and these were serious | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
allegations. A ghost employee is someone, real or fake, who's placed | 0:05:03 | 0:05:08 | |
on a payroll system, but doesn't actually work for the council. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
When the ghost's wages are paid, the fraudster collects the money. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
Back up a minute. Thank you. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
One allegation against the finance manager Shirin is | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
suddenly spawning stories of trips abroad paid for by the council, | 0:05:24 | 0:05:29 | |
and ghost employees. It seems like Peter Nicholson is hiding a few | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
skeletons behind that OBE, prompting Emma to have a proper rummage around | 0:05:33 | 0:05:38 | |
in the Youth Offending Team's business. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
She started by looking into the claims about trips abroad, | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
and soon discovered a paper trail. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
There were three trips to Canada that Peter had taken | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
and charged to Newham. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
The first two trips were Peter and a member of his family. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
And then the final trip was Peter, his family, | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
and personal friends. The invoices from Trailfinders showed the make-up | 0:05:58 | 0:06:03 | |
of the party, so it had the names of | 0:06:03 | 0:06:04 | |
everybody that was travelling to Canada. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
On one of the trips, Peter had taken five members of his family | 0:06:06 | 0:06:11 | |
and a friend, David Tuck, who took | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
three members of his family, as well. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
Sounds like the kind of jolly that's too good to be true. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
But who in the council agreed to pay for them? | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
Peter actually told the chief executive that he'd been | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
invited by the Canadian authorities to represent Newham | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
and that he could also take some members of staff with him. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
He also said that the Canadian authorities would reimburse | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
Newham for the cost of the trip. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
Yeah, family and friends isn't the same as work colleagues, but I guess | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
if the Canadians are picking up the bill, there's no real harm, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
is there? Finance manager Shirin Bazrcar didn't seem to think so. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
In relation to the holidays, Shirin Bazrcar didn't actually attend | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
any of the holidays, but she paid for them with the purchase card. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
OK, so Shirin has paid for them but | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
the council's going to get its money back, right? | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
I mean, I hope so. Especially when they cost nearly £6,000. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
With suspicions rising about taxpayers' money being used to pay | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
for personal holidays, Emma called in Peter | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
to be formally interviewed. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
When we interviewed Peter Nicholson under caution, he came out with | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
various stories regarding the authorisation of the trips to Canada. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
One story was that Newham had paid for the trip as a reward | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
for him getting his OBE. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:24 | |
Another story was that the Canadian authorities had requested him | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
to go and would therefore reimburse us. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
OK, well, which one is it? | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
In his interview under caution, he explained further how the | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
holidays had been paid for. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
He admitted that he'd signed a payment request note | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
so the trip could be paid for by Newham. But again, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
he stated that Newham would get reimbursed. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
Nicholson said that the Youth Justice Board had sent him the | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
invitation to attend meetings and conferences in Canada, | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
and that he was allowed take up to ten people. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
Getting to the bottom of Nicholson's varied excuses fell to | 0:07:58 | 0:08:02 | |
fraud investigator Rashid Bipul. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
Peter mentioned a few organisations who | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
he said would be able to confirm that the conference took place, | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
but we couldn't actually locate any of these people. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
He claimed to have a number of e-mails that actually | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
proved that these were actually legitimate business trips. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
And he was unable to provide any e-mails to prove that these were | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
legitimate business trips. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
So the fact that no-one the fraud investigators spoke to could | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
back up Nicholson's story was further evidence that this | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
was a not a job, but a jolly. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
But it got worse. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:37 | |
As Rashid dug deeper, he found out that Nicholson had booked | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
time off during the trip as annual leave, | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
which suggested that it was a holiday, not a business trip. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:47 | |
They've got the guy in their sights. Now they turn their attention | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
to Shirin. After all, she was the one paying for all this. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
Shirin stated that she'd legitimately used the company | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
credit card to pay for trips to Canada, as she'd seen | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
authorisation from Peter's line manager. But that didn't add up | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
because she'd booked those trips prior to Peter | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
actually getting authorisation from his line manager. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
Unbelievable that despite what seemed like overwhelming evidence, | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
the pair continue to deny any wrongdoing. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
Just trying to decide where I should go on my next holiday. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
I fancy skiing in Canada. But unlike Peter Nicholson, | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
my trip won't be funded by the Newham taxpayer. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
Blagging a holiday on expenses is one thing, | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
allegations of ghost employees, well, that's quite another. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
This is what fraud investigator, Emma Vick, | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
would be looking into next. What would her team uncover? | 0:09:36 | 0:09:41 | |
I went away and spoke to the person he told us would know David Tuck, | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
and every time I did that, they all confirmed | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
they had never met David. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
For now, though, it's farewell to the fraudsters and thank goodness. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
Hello to people we call our saints. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
Those in society that help others who are in genuine need | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
but often too proud, or don't know how, | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
to claim what's rightfully theirs. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
Bringing up kids can be exhausting, tiring | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
and, quite frankly, drive you round the bend at times. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
But no matter what, we try and do the best for our kids. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
What about, though, if your kid has a disability and whatever you do, | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
you just can't provide the environment that they need? | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
What do you do then? | 0:10:28 | 0:10:29 | |
Like lots of new mothers, Cally Laundon had a tricky job | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
of balancing the demands of caring for her toddler Madison | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
and her work as a veterinary nurse. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
Even though it was tough, everything was going well, until Cally noticed | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
that Madison, who'd been born premature, was developing slowly. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
When she got to about 18 months, things didn't really | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
progress a lot from there. the main one was speech. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
She didn't really... She started babbling | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
but didn't continue. Nothing really went from there. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
She didn't carry on. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:01 | |
And it wasn't just Madison's | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
failure to hit key development milestones that concerned Cally. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
Her biggest worry was her daughter's behaviour. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
I couldn't even just take her round the shops for the day, | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
go into town and do anything like that because it was always a fight. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
If she didn't want to do something, she just wouldn't do it. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
Cally's constant battles with Maddy were wearing her down | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
and affecting her work. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
I was starting to struggle a bit with my hours. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:30 | |
I do two 16-hour shifts a week... | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
Cally was starting to realise she couldn't juggle work | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
and manage her daughter's needs. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
She didn't know whether she was just dealing with a troublesome toddler | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
or something more serious. And without the diagnosis she needed, | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
she had no-one to turn to for help. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
In desperation, she went to her local child health clinic | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
and begged them to take her seriously. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:56 | |
And I went in there and said, "Something isn't necessarily right. | 0:11:56 | 0:12:01 | |
"I'm not sure. She's still not talking." | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
She then actually agreed that we | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
needed a referral to go and see a consultant, to see | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
if there was anything going on. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
It was great that she was getting a referral | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
but Cally needed help immediately to manage Madison. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
I contacted my health visitor who said that there was | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
something that Maddy could be referred to, nursery-wise, | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
that actually would help bring her on a bit, | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
maybe help with her development. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:30 | |
Cally had never heard of the Camelia Botnar Centre, | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
a nursery for children with special needs, that unlike many others, | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
provides support for parents, as well. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
They are referred sometimes through the health visitor or | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
child development centre. They are a mix of preschool children. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
Some are speech and language, some are needed to be here | 0:12:47 | 0:12:53 | |
because of social aspects in their lives. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
The nursery sounded perfect for a child with Madison's needs. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
And straightaway Cally felt like a weight | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
had been lifted off her shoulders. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
Me and her dad went round for a meeting, | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
instantly felt at home there. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
Maddy went straight in and off she went into the class | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
while we had the interview. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
Madison was given a place for two afternoons a week. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
We have a key person system, | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
so there is one person that Madison's mum can go to, or myself. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:24 | |
The highly-trained nursery staff | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
immediately tackled Madison's behavioural problems. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
At the moment, the biggest thing I think is that Madison gets | 0:13:29 | 0:13:34 | |
very frustrated and angry because she can't tell us | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
what she wants, she can't make her feelings known. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
At some points during the afternoon, we might take her off to | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
the sensory room for some quiet time, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
just chill-out time. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:48 | |
At last, Cally was starting to have help from nursery staff who really | 0:13:48 | 0:13:53 | |
seemed to understand Madison. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
It was clear that Madison had much more than to deal with than | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
just communication problems. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
The staff at the nursery advised Cally to make this clear to | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
the consultant who she was due to meet. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
They then said in the hospital appointment that they thought that | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
there was something, but what they decided to do was send in somebody | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
to observe her at nursery. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:15 | |
Cally was desperate to find out what was wrong with her daughter | 0:14:15 | 0:14:19 | |
and began researching conditions on the internet. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
She soon narrowed down the possibilities | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
and put her fears straight to the doctor. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
I just came out and said, "Do you think she's autistic? | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
"Is that what you are looking at?" | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
and she said yes. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:33 | |
Following Madison's diagnosis, | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
it was the nursery that helped Cally with one of the biggest | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
problems she had following Madison's diagnosis - how to cope financially. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
What I was earning, with the little bit of child tax credits | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
I was getting, was pretty much what we were using to live on, | 0:14:44 | 0:14:49 | |
give or take a little bit. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:50 | |
The nursery team arranged for a benefits expert from the | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
local authority to meet Cally and help her with a claim. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
When I first met Cally, the first thing I did was actually sit | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
and take the family history. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
The fact that she worked, | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
she believed, actually stopped her from claiming any form of benefit | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
other than perhaps working tax credits or child tax credits | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
and child benefit. So when I worked out the criteria was met for DLA, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:18 | |
'then I explained the process to her and requesting the DLA form,' | 0:15:18 | 0:15:23 | |
going through it, waiting for the decision. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:25 | |
We did get awarded disability living allowance for Madison at home, | 0:15:25 | 0:15:30 | |
which meant that I could relax a little bit about money and I could | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
drop some of the hours that I was working. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
With the extra time Madison got to spend with her mum | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
and at the nursery, her development progressed really quickly | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
and staff devised a learning plan to help her communicate more clearly. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:48 | |
They started introducing something called PECKS with her, which is | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
picture communication. So she'll actually start being able to tell | 0:15:52 | 0:15:56 | |
people, "I'm having a tantrum because I want a drink, | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
"but I can't tell you I want a drink." | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
So she can give them a picture. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
Would you like something else? | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
More raisins? | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
For Cally, Jill and the rest of the staff at the nursery are | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
the reason why she's been able to cope with having an autistic child. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:19 | |
They've had quite long chats with me regarding choices of mainstream | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
schools or special education schools. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
I've also thought about deferring Madison's school year. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
The nursery have offered to keep her another year if I do that, | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
to give her a bit more time to develop to be ready for school. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
There'll be plenty more challenges for Cally as Madison grows older, | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
but knowing that there's someone there that can help with her | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
specific needs means that the future's a lot brighter | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
for both of them. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:50 | |
Well, that's enough good news for now. Let's return to our scroungers. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
In 2006, Newham's fraud unit started an internal investigation | 0:16:58 | 0:17:04 | |
into the council's Youth Offending Team. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
Investigators suspected that the head of the department, | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
Peter Nicholson OBE, in collusion with his finance manager | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
Shirin Bazrcar, had been using council money for personal trips. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
So at this stage, you're aware that | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
-Peter Nicholson is getting subsidised, free travel... -Yeah. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:27 | |
..around the world. Very nice, too. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:29 | |
What I'm not sure about is why Shirin Bazrcar is signing off on | 0:17:29 | 0:17:34 | |
this stuff, because it's her name on the sheet, it seems, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
but she doesn't seem to be getting anywhere near as much from it, | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
-just all the risk. -It did look as if she was doing the signing off | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
and not getting any of the benefit. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:44 | |
From the team's investigation into misuse of council cash | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
for personal holidays, it was unclear if Shirin was involved. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
However, when the team turned their attention to the more serious | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
allegations of ghost employees, | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
she came firmly under the spotlight again. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
As well as being a member of staff on the Youth Offending Team, | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
Shirin was also a director of Excel Staffing Solutions... | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
..a job agency that supplied temporary staff to the department. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
The agency, which has since ceased trading, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
did provide genuine staff to the Youth Offending Team | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
but it was fictitious workers that Emma was interested in. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:23 | |
We wanted to investigate the allegations into the ghost employees. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
There were several names flying around at the time, so I went and | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
found the time sheets and the invoices in relation to both | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
Sharon Browne and David Tuck. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
Both Sharon Browne and David Tuck were temporary members | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
of staff with Newham, which meant that they were actually employed | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
by employment agencies who got paid and, in turn, paid them. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
David Tuck? I've heard that somewhere before. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
And so had Emma. Tuck was none other than Nicholson's ski-buddy | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
on his trips to Canada. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
The investigating team immediately started to look | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
more closely at his background. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
We found out that David Tuck was in fact a self-employed lift engineer. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
He had his own company called Lads Construction. In addition to this, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
later on we found out he was a close personal friend of Peter's. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
Emma could see from payroll evidence that he'd been working | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
for the Youth Offending Team, but when she asked other people | 0:19:14 | 0:19:18 | |
in the department about him, it was clear that he kept a low profile. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:23 | |
Our main investigation focused on the fact that nobody had ever met him. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
We spent a lot of time talking to people in Newham, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
as nobody had seen him. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
So nobody in Newham Council remembered Tuck | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
apart from Nicholson? | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
That sounds really dodgy. What about the other name | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
investigators had come across, Sharon Browne? | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
In relation to Sharon Browne, we visited the employment agency | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
and retrieved the personnel file that they held for her. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
In that file, there was her application form that showed | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
the colleges she'd attended, previous work experience, | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
and home address and national insurance number. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
Emma's colleague, fraud investigator Rashid Bipul, didn't waste any time | 0:19:56 | 0:20:01 | |
following up this lead. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:02 | |
We went to the university | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
and found that Sharon Browne had never actually studied there. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
We checked with national insurance | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
and found out that the national insurance number didn't even exist. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
We checked with our local borough. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
She was registered as being resident in Newham. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
She didn't exist in Newham at all. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:23 | |
Browne wasn't an actual person, | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
but on paper, she was made to look real. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
Emma's team were now convinced that both Browne | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
and Tuck were ghost employees. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
They suspected the pair had never lifted a finger for the council | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
but they were being paid. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
The question is, how much? | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
Sharon Browne was paid around £43,000. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
David Tuck was paid just under £100,000, | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
that included a redundancy payment of just over £3,000. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
It was looking like the fraudsters had ripped off the council | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
to the tune of nearly £150,000. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:04 | |
The big question for Emma was now, who was paying out all this cash? | 0:21:04 | 0:21:09 | |
The majority of the time sheets had been signed by Peter Nicholson. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
Some had also been signed by Shirin Bazrcar. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
They were both involved. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:16 | |
At last, the time sheets provided a direct link between | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
the prime suspects and a major fraud. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
This was a result, but Emma's team still needed more evidence and they | 0:21:22 | 0:21:27 | |
got another major breakthrough when they decided to call in an expert. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
We sent off the application pack to a handwriting expert with | 0:21:31 | 0:21:35 | |
some samples of all of the known suspects' handwriting. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
The result came back that, actually, Peter had completed | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
the whole of the application pack. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:42 | |
I beg your pardon? | 0:21:42 | 0:21:44 | |
Peter Nicholson himself had filled out the application form belonging | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
to the ghost employee. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
Surely no excuses could save him now. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
I reckon the Youth Offending Team might need to change its name. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
In that corrupt department, it wasn't just the kids | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
who were crossing the line. | 0:21:58 | 0:21:59 | |
But with evidence mounting against Peter Nicholson OBE, | 0:21:59 | 0:22:04 | |
the investigators still needed to find proof | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
of Shirin's involvement in the fraud. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
Shirin must have been making a tidy sum of money, creaming a percentage | 0:22:11 | 0:22:16 | |
of what came into her agency. But where were the actual wages going? | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
Wanting to find out, the pair were called back in for an interview. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:25 | |
Shirin was finally interviewed in November 2009. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
She was quite calm through the interview and she suggested that she | 0:22:30 | 0:22:36 | |
did everything legitimately, | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
and having had higher authorisation to do them. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
Shirin said that she could provide further evidence to show that | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
David Tuck legitimately worked for us. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
She said that she could provide with time sheets and e-mails and so on. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
She never did. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:52 | |
Rashid had spoken to a lot of people in the Youth Offending Team | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
and external agencies that worked that with the team, | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
and no-one had recognised the name David Tuck. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
So now, Shirin and Nicholson were the only two people | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
in the whole of Newham Council that could confirm Tuck had | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
worked there, and neither of them could provide evidence that he had. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
Emma's team felt they had enough evidence on Peter | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
and Shirin to charge them | 0:23:20 | 0:23:21 | |
with conspiracy to defraud the council and money laundering. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
And just before the trial, her fraud team | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
got some interesting information | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
when Shirin gave the court documents that she hoped would clear her name. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
Another employee's name bubbled to the surface, a gentleman called | 0:23:34 | 0:23:38 | |
Alex Brown. And the investigators decided to look him up. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
As part of the trial, Shirin Bazrcar had to serve a defence statement. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
In her defence statement, she mentioned that the money that ended | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
up in her bank account was in relation to an employee | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
called Alex Brown. I searched the computer systems | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
and found several time sheets in the name of Alex Brown. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
Each time sheet had a personal home address for Alex Brown. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
Myself and Rashid decided to drive to the address and see who | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
we could find there. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:12 | |
When we got there, the door was answered by an elderly lady. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
We asked the lady if she knew Alex Brown and she said she'd | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
never heard of him and she confirmed that he'd never lived there. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
We also asked her if she knew Shirin Bazrcar and she confirmed that Shirin | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
was actually her daughter. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
Hold on a second. Her daughter? | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
So Alex Brown was another ghost, | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
but how much money did he steal from Newham and where did it go? | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
So you eventually looked through Shirin Bazrcar's work computer. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
What did you find on that? | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
I was going through the payment schedules in relation to | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
all of the people we've ever employed at the YOT, | 0:24:45 | 0:24:47 | |
and I just happened to notice the surname that | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
I knew was connected to Shirin's home address where her mother lived. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
And lo and behold, that was her sister. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
So then I went and checked with anybody at the Youth Offending Team, | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
did they think we'd ever employed her? And obviously we hadn't. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
So that was the sister, another revenue stream we've got coming out. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:07 | |
So there we have it. That's the reason that Shirin Bazrcar | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
was signing all of this off, is because she herself had set up | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
two ghost employees that she could siphon money | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
out of the borough with, and out of that she was making over £100,000. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
Well over £100,000, yes. Definitely worth her while. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
Bingo. You see, sometimes it seems that all you need to do | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
is dangle a carrot. And in Shirin's case, it was her own | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
defence statement which gave Emma the clue to her involvement | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
in the whole sorry tale. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:40 | |
And this new evidence revealed even more taxpayers' money | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
that had been spent on lavish lifestyles | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
instead of the young people of Newham. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
In April 2012, Peter Nicholson, Shirin Bazrcar | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
and David Tuck went on trial. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
All three pleaded not guilty to charges of conspiracy to defraud and | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
money laundering. But after a lengthy eight-week trial, | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
they were found guilty. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:11 | |
This was a long, complex and costly investigation. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
I started looking at it in December 2006, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
and we eventually went to trial in April 2012. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
The judge sentenced Peter Nicholson to five-and-a-half years in prison. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
He sentenced Shirin Bazrcar to four years in prison, | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
and David Tuck to 18 months. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:31 | |
The total loss to Newham as a result of this fraud was just over £280,000 | 0:26:33 | 0:26:38 | |
Thanks to the hard work of Newham's fraud team, funds that were | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
being diverted now found their way to people that really needed them. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:47 | |
And although the ghost employees may not have been real, | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
the sentences handed down to this trio certainly were. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 |