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One thing that makes this country great is whenever we find someone in genuine need, we help them out,

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-a hand up when times are tough.

-We keep people in their own homes and really help them.

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But when there's cash on offer, you'll always find someone who wants to steal it.

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Their lifestyle didn't mimic people who are living on a minimum wage.

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But those who cheat the system often get what's coming to them.

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They thought they were being clever, but we know what we're looking for.

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This is the world of Saints And Scroungers.

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This is Saints And Scroungers.

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We uncover people trying to get one over on our welfare system

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and we also share the stories of society's Good Samaritans who selflessly help those in need.

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The fraudsters are brought to justice.

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The saints ensure those in genuine need get what they deserve.

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Coming up on today's show...

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A case of multiple identities ripping off the taxpayer.

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The judge in sentencing described him as a parasite on society.

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And what seemed like an impossible dream is fulfilled for one sufferer of Asperger's.

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I came away feeling much, much better about myself.

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If you've worked hard and paid into the system over the years,

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it's good to know that the government has money to support you if for any reason you can't work.

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But that money is there to fulfil a need, not to fuel your greed.

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Meet John James Mooney,

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a man in his 60s living in social housing for Irish single men in the London borough of Brent.

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Mooney was claiming housing and council tax benefit,

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as well as Disability Living Allowance for a back injury sustained several years earlier.

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So far, nothing out of the ordinary here,

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but suspicions were aroused when Brent Council received a tip-off,

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raising concerns that something was amiss.

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The information was passed on to Brent's Head of Fraud Department, Simon Lane.

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We received some anonymous information about a Mr John Mooney,

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suggesting he wasn't living at the address in Brent, he was visiting the address intermittently.

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If he wasn't living where he said he was living, he wouldn't be entitled to claim housing benefit in Brent.

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The case was taken up by a senior fraud investigator.

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Due to the delicate nature of his work, he wants to stay anonymous.

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Mr Mooney was also using a Blue Badge

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for a car from Denbighshire in North Wales.

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The anonymous informant claimed that John James Mooney

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drove a distinctive red Jaguar.

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Hold on a minute. A man on benefits driving a Jag?

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If this wasn't suspicious enough, why would a car belonging to a claimant living in London

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have a disabled sticker registered to North Wales?

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I contacted Denbighshire County Council

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to make enquiries about whether John James Mooney had a Blue Badge

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in Denbighshire.

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It turns out that Denbighshire Council had no such person registered to that area,

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but the team discovered a Blue Badge application in the name of John Mooney at his borough of Brent.

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So why use a North Wales Blue Badge on his car

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when John Mooney had one registered in London?

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The Brent application contained a passport photo of John James Mooney.

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It was a good quality picture, one that Mr Mooney himself had provided.

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I scanned that photograph

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and e-mailed that to Denbighshire

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who identified that as a George Mooney, not John James Mooney,

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a George Mooney of an address in Rhyl.

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There was a live claim for housing benefit at that address.

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George Mooney... Well, aren't we dealing with a John James Mooney claiming benefits in Brent?

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That was the start of the click that you knew that yes, we've got a multiple.

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When you've got a multiple, two can be just the start.

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Initially, when we got the investigation going, we thought they might be two different people,

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so we needed to confirm for definite that they were the same person claiming in two different places.

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The investigation team smelt a cheat,

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so to prove that the two Mooneys were not two legitimate claimants

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of the same family, like brothers, the team needed more evidence.

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John James Mooney has got very distinctive hand-writing,

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so I faxed up to Denbighshire Council examples of his hand-writing

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and they confirmed that the hand-writing that I had

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was very similar or identical to the hand-writing that they had

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for George Mooney.

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It was the first concrete proof that they were dealing with a potential scrounger.

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We knew we had two claims. Although they had different National Insurance numbers and different dates of birth,

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the pictures and the hand-writing were the same.

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Both were claiming as single men with attached disability benefits.

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Could it be that the two Mooneys were in fact one and the same,

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yet claiming benefits at two councils hundreds of miles apart?

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The team firmly believed they were dealing with an ID fraudster,

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but they had to work out who was real and who was fake.

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I have access to a credit reference agency to make enquiries about people's bank accounts.

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From my enquiries with George Mooney in North Wales,

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it gave me another address in Manchester.

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It now seems there are three locations in the Mooney mix -

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London, North Wales and Manchester.

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It's a much bigger case than Brent Council ever imagined,

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so time to bring in the big guns -

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'the Department for Work and Pensions Fraud Team, headed up by Bob Gallacher,

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'who deals with nationwide cases on this kind of scale.'

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Why would they contact you? The benefits are coming locally.

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Why are you the connecting thing?

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Because we're the specialists in dealing with multiple identification fraud.

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We submitted a lot of his claim forms that he had passed over the years for forensic examination

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and they came back positive,

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both in terms of fingerprinting forensics

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and hand-writing.

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So, forensics proved that their hunch was right all along.

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George and John Mooney were in fact one and the same,

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but which one was the real Mooney

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or could there even be more Mooneys in the mystery?

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We did some checks on the Jaguar car

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and that's exactly what led us on to a potential third identity.

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For now though, it's farewell to the fraudsters and hello to those we call saints,

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those who help others in genuine need or who are too proud

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or don't even know how to claim what's rightfully theirs.

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Starting university is a daunting prospect at the best of times,

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but imagine facing that big change when you've got a disability.

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And that was the case with 22-year-old Tom Synnott, a young man with undiagnosed behavioural issues

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who struggled with his schooling for as long as his family could remember.

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We couldn't get anybody, especially our GPs,

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they seemed determined not to diagnose him as Asperger's.

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His parents did what they could to get him through the education system,

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but for Tom, his schooldays were difficult and frustrating.

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I didn't really fit in very well.

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I never did at school.

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I used to get bullied a lot.

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During his primary school years, a number of tests were carried out by specialists

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to assess his hearing, sight, balance and general behaviour.

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Asperger's syndrome was discussed, but never formally diagnosed.

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It affects how a person makes sense of the world, processes information and relates to others.

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By the time that Tom got to secondary school,

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we were beginning to despair

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because all the appointments and so on had led nowhere.

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I didn't understand why I sort of...

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..why I wasn't fitting in with the other students

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and why I was finding it so difficult

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to understand things that other people found so straightforward.

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I felt like a total outsider at school.

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Tom made it through sixth form.

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He had no problems academically, but he was still struggling socially

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and only managed to get a job in the kitchen of his local pub.

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I was a dishwasher,

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so obviously, it wasn't that much fun.

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but despite how I was surrounded by nice people,

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I still couldn't fit in.

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Despite all the setbacks, Tom knew that a life washing dishes or on the dole wasn't for him,

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so mustering up the courage, he applied to university.

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I found out about De Montfort through an e-mail by UCAS.

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I looked at the website, I looked at the criteria and I thought, "Hang on, this could work."

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During the application process, Tom revealed his suspected Asperger's,

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a decision which proved to be a turning point in his life.

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I thought, "It won't have any impact at all,

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"but I'll mention it anyway."

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How wrong could he be?

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While the university considered the application on academic merits,

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his declaration of Asperger's was immediately examined by their Disability Advice and Support Team.

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It is stressful coming to university.

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Having to worry about your support is not acceptable.

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The team get involved right from day one.

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Once a student declares on their UCAS form or if a student comes to an open day at De Montfort University,

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they come and talk to the team.

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The university gave us a crucial piece of information

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which was that there were cases

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where students had been accepted as deserving

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of Disabled Students' Allowance

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simply on the basis of having a GP's letter.

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Finally, the news that Tom and his family had been waiting more than 20 years for.

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I was amazed that we finally had got it.

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We have a letter saying Tom has Asperger's. I was elated, especially for Tom.

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Armed with this letter from his GP, Tom was now eligible to apply for support and it was just in time,

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as to his great elation, he was accepted to study History at De Montfort University.

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So, finally, Tom has got what he needs, a formal diagnosis of Asperger's,

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something that the family has always suspected,

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but he still faces his biggest challenge yet -

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how will he cope with life away from home at university?

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One thing his parents were very concerned about was the change.

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Going from school into higher education is a big jump for any student.

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Tom was referred to AbilityNet by the university,

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an organisation which sets out to improve the lives of disabled people at work, home or in education.

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Elizabeth Hughes assessed Tom to see if he was eligible for the Disabled Students' Allowance,

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a Government grant to help disabled students applying for university gain access to help and support.

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He's academically very able. There's no problem academically.

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It was more to do with living with other people,

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which, obviously, you do at university,

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sharing facilities,

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cooking, cleaning,

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getting up in the morning.

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After that interview was over, I came away feeling much, much better about myself

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and much better about my odds of surviving uni.

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Students with Asperger's are particularly prone to giving up on university in the first few weeks

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if they don't get support.

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Tom needed a real, comprehensive support package

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which involved computer equipment, a laptop or a PC,

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specialist equipment, specialist software equipment as well,

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but to my mind, more importantly, the mentoring support from the National Autistic Society.

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And we work very closely with them at De Montfort.

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Thanks to the 37-page report compiled by Elizabeth

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which confirmed that Tom was indeed eligible for the Disabled Students' Allowance, from day one at uni,

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measures were put into place to help Tom in every way possible.

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Tom ended up receiving over £2,000-worth of computer equipment and training,

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as well as mentoring and support from the National Autistic Society,

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but arriving at uni was still going to be a shock.

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My first day here was absolutely terrifying.

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And I was just getting to meet my flatmates.

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It was kind of surprising because I got along with them much better than I thought I would.

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After initial concerns, Tom seemed to be settling in

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and the mentors provided for him were easing him into student life.

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They were just like the friends that I never really had at school.

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Just people I could talk to whenever I needed to.

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I can't even count the amount of times that I've turned to Lynda for help,

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just with general advice, really.

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I can ask them anything.

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The grant that Tom received from the Disabled Students' Allowance was invaluable.

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They don't get money. They get the goods and services that they need to support them in higher education.

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I'd say that it was money that was really well spent.

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It's going to come back into the community over and over

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because Tom's future is that much better.

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Finally, Tom's dreams of a future in education were falling into place.

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He's enjoying the course and he's on track for a very good degree.

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It proves that the support is invaluable and that's the main thing for me. That's my job satisfaction.

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I'm very proud of him.

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I still get a lump in my throat when I see my students graduate.

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When they go across that stage after their time at De Montfort, that's what is most important to us all.

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I'm enjoying myself for the first time in...for ever.

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I just feel so much more confident than I ever did at school.

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The best decision that I ever made was to come to uni.

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To my mentors in particular,

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I just want to say thank you so much.

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I will be forever in your debt.

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Without the help of De Montfort University and AbilityNet,

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there's very little chance that Tom would have survived his time in higher education,

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but now that kid, whose prospects appeared so dim, is now in line for a first-class degree,

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something that just a short time ago would have seemed impossible.

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Nice one, Tom.

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'We're leaving the people who deserve our help to those that just help themselves.

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'The case started with an anonymous tip-off in the London borough of Brent

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'that a certain John James Mooney was not residing at the address for which he was claiming benefits.

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'His red Jaguar displayed a disabled badge that was registered to Denbighshire, North Wales,

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'where Brent Council's fraud team discovered he was claiming benefits using two names.

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'Working alongside the DWP, forensic info showed

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'that they were dealing with one man

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'playing the part of two people - John and George Mooney.

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'But Bob Gallacher, the Department for Work and Pensions fraud expert who was overseeing the case,

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'felt there were certain avenues that hadn't been fully explored.'

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When you look at something like this, do you think, "He's driving a Jaguar?" Does that come into it?

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It does act as a pointer in some respects, but it's not necessarily the sole factor.

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But, yeah, it did lead us to increase our suspicions, if you will.

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We did some checks on the Jaguar car

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and that's exactly what led us on to a potential third identity.

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And when we checked our computer records,

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that's when we identified this third identity as being Bertie Mooney.

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'Bertie Mooney? Where did he come from?

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'ID provided by Mooney to claim benefits

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'led the fraud investigation team at the DWP to contact authorities in the Republic of Ireland

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'who had no records of either a John or George Mooney fitting the description.

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'They did, however, have a birth certificate for a Bertie Mooney.

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'Could this finally be the missing link to the Mooneys' true identity?'

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-Bertie Mooney?

-Bertie Mooney.

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-He's the real man?

-He's the real Mooney.

-Right.

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And you know this because you've got birth certificates or other documentation

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that proves Bertie is a real person?

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This is where we worked closely with our colleagues in Ireland

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and they were able to confirm that through birth registers

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that Bertie Mooney did exist, he was the real person, so that's when we knew we were on to a winner.

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'It now seems we have the true identity of our benefit fraudster -

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'Bertie Mooney, born in Ireland.

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'The other two were simply his aliases.'

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It's now looking like we've got three different claims.

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Same surname, different National Insurance number and date of birth.

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Three different forenames, all claiming as single men

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with disability benefits attached and state pension attached,

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so quite a significant sum.

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It was now time to ramp up the investigation to a whole new level.

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I authorised surveillance for our investigators to actually follow Mr Mooney

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and it was through that we were able to identify that the Mooney we were dealing with from Manchester

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was the same Mooney we were dealing with in Rhyl and we were dealing with in London.

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Bob and his surveillance team uncovered a pattern

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involving Mooney driving his distinctive red Jaguar

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hundreds of miles cross-country

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to collect separate benefits,

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creating the impression that the three separate Mooneys were living in three separate areas.

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John Mooney withdrew his benefit in London. George Mooney did the same in Rhyl, North Wales.

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And Bertie Mooney was doing the same old trick in Manchester.

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So he was actually collecting his entire payments on a monthly basis

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which is not the normal pattern.

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The thinking is if he's only collecting monthly, he can't be desperate for the money?

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Exactly. And what we've got to bear in mind is this is the man's sole income.

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What we did then is we contacted the post offices

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and what we found out, for example, in North Wales...

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One of the postmasters was able to tell us

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that when he was withdrawing the money, his benefit entitlements,

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he was actually depositing large sums of money into a post office investment account.

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That's fantastic. You take a little bit out, you put a lot more back.

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'The surveillance revealed a pattern when it came to Mooney's movements.'

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What I'd like to show you here, Matt, is that our investigators followed Mr Mooney

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from Manchester to North Wales.

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Finally, we followed him to London and again we repeated the same process.

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We followed him to the post office.

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We saw him cashing his benefits in the post office

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and obviously, Manchester to London is a long way

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in one day, so he actually spent the evening

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in the address that he was renting in London.

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So you're linking each of the properties that could be somebody else, could be a different identity,

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-but actually, you're seeing the same character go from one to the next?

-Yes.

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'After a year-long surveillance operation across the UK,

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'seven different addresses were linked to Mooney,

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'including a property bought outright for cash in Abergele, North Wales, in 2003.

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'With assets like this, had he been means-tested,

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'there's no way Mooney would have been entitled to claim the kind of benefits he was.'

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So the final parts of the jigsaw really had come together and we knew that we had a concrete case now

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to present to him and give him the opportunity to tell us his side of the story.

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I would love to have heard that conversation.

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'On the 17th of May, 2010, Bertie Mooney was arrested in Manchester.'

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So what we did is we worked with the police in Greater Manchester

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and we arranged for an arrest

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and a search and seizure of the premises in which he was living in the Manchester area

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and at the same time, we co-ordinated with

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the North Wales Police and the London Police

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to do a search and seizure of the property

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both in Rhyl and in Abergele where he was living

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and also in the flat in London,

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so that we were able to bring the whole exercise together

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and we found various documentation in all of the premises.

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For example, in the London address,

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we actually found the false passport which he had hidden under his pillow.

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It was actually in his pillow case.

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We did a full search of the property that he was living in in Manchester

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and we found quite a bundle of documentation

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that was hidden in the garden shed.

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It confirmed everything that we basically found,

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that he was operating three identities,

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he was operating three claims

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and he was basically fleecing the Department for a lot of money.

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'As well as revealing crucial documents,

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'the search of Mooney's properties also revealed the true extent of his deceit.'

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He had food in the property.

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If he was ever visited, he would say, "Yes, I've got food here."

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But when you looked at the tins,

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the tins of food were about four years out of date.

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'Mooney was interviewed under caution and he admitted

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'his real name, as suspected, was Bertie Mooney

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'and he had been using the aliases of John and George

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'for more than 20 years.'

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During the course of the interview,

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I got the impression that Mr Mooney was playing the role

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of a lovable rogue.

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He was quite jocular, very friendly.

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He complained about his bad back,

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but he came over as almost quite amused

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about the fact that we'd gone to this trouble to catch him,

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that he knew what he was doing was wrong,

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but I think that he had grown accustomed to the amount of money that he was getting.

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He effectively was getting three sets of benefits, as if he was three people.

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He admitted to everything.

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'He was able to use his connections in the Republic of Ireland to help create his aliases.'

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I would imagine through that access

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that there is the ability to get a driving licence,

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possibly a passport, if you're prepared to pay for these things,

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then they can be used to obtain a National Insurance number.

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That's what he'd done. He had obtained three National Insurance numbers.

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'Mooney was released on bail, but getting him before a judge proved harder than anticipated.'

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-Tell me about court. What happened?

-I have to say it did take a long time for us to get him into court

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because there were a number of delaying tactics.

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I know he was genuinely admitted to hospital because he has some spinal problems.

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He failed on several occasions to answer his bail conditions

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and to appear in court as well.

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He was providing documentation from his doctors and consultants to say that he was unfit to stand trial

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and this went on for quite a while,

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but I think the judge who was actually trying the case

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said that enough was enough and that he really wanted to get him into court

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and that is exactly what happened.

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'Finally, on the 28th of February, 2012,

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'Bertie Mooney appeared in court

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'and pled guilty to 38 charges of benefit fraud,

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'having falsely claimed benefits of over £460,000 over two decades.'

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He finally appeared in Crown Court in Manchester and he was sentenced to 18 months' imprisonment.

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The judge, in sentencing him, described him as a parasite on society,

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taking money from those who actually needed it.

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As part of the financial investigation, the Jaguar would be taken away from him

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by the Department for Work and Pensions and sold.

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The house was taken and seized and sold

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and if there was any other assets,

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they would endeavour to take those.

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On top of all of this, Bertie Mooney was asked to pay back an additional £100,000 within six months

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or risk a further two-year sentence.

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So, Mooney spent years clocking up the miles on his Jag

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as he cruised around the country, picking up his benefits.

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Now, thanks to the hard work of fraud investigators, he's not going anywhere. He's in a jail cell.

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On the plus side, he's saving loads in petrol.

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