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One thing that makes this country great is whenever we find someone in genuine need, we help them out, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:08 | |
-a hand up when times are tough. -We keep people in their own homes and really help them. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:13 | |
But when there's cash on offer, you'll always find someone who wants to steal it. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:18 | |
Their lifestyle didn't mimic people who are living on a minimum wage. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
But those who cheat the system often get what's coming to them. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
They thought they were being clever, but we know what we're looking for. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:30 | |
This is the world of Saints And Scroungers. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:34 | |
This is Saints And Scroungers. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
We uncover people trying to get one over on our welfare system | 0:00:59 | 0:01:03 | |
and we also share the stories of society's Good Samaritans who selflessly help those in need. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:10 | |
The fraudsters are brought to justice. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
The saints ensure those in genuine need get what they deserve. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:18 | |
Coming up on today's show... | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
A case of multiple identities ripping off the taxpayer. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
The judge in sentencing described him as a parasite on society. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:29 | |
And what seemed like an impossible dream is fulfilled for one sufferer of Asperger's. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:35 | |
I came away feeling much, much better about myself. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
If you've worked hard and paid into the system over the years, | 0:01:43 | 0:01:48 | |
it's good to know that the government has money to support you if for any reason you can't work. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:55 | |
But that money is there to fulfil a need, not to fuel your greed. | 0:01:55 | 0:02:00 | |
Meet John James Mooney, | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
a man in his 60s living in social housing for Irish single men in the London borough of Brent. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:12 | |
Mooney was claiming housing and council tax benefit, | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
as well as Disability Living Allowance for a back injury sustained several years earlier. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:22 | |
So far, nothing out of the ordinary here, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
but suspicions were aroused when Brent Council received a tip-off, | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
raising concerns that something was amiss. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
The information was passed on to Brent's Head of Fraud Department, Simon Lane. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:38 | |
We received some anonymous information about a Mr John Mooney, | 0:02:41 | 0:02:46 | |
suggesting he wasn't living at the address in Brent, he was visiting the address intermittently. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:52 | |
If he wasn't living where he said he was living, he wouldn't be entitled to claim housing benefit in Brent. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:58 | |
The case was taken up by a senior fraud investigator. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
Due to the delicate nature of his work, he wants to stay anonymous. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:06 | |
Mr Mooney was also using a Blue Badge | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
for a car from Denbighshire in North Wales. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:17 | |
The anonymous informant claimed that John James Mooney | 0:03:17 | 0:03:21 | |
drove a distinctive red Jaguar. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
Hold on a minute. A man on benefits driving a Jag? | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
If this wasn't suspicious enough, why would a car belonging to a claimant living in London | 0:03:27 | 0:03:33 | |
have a disabled sticker registered to North Wales? | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
I contacted Denbighshire County Council | 0:03:36 | 0:03:41 | |
to make enquiries about whether John James Mooney had a Blue Badge | 0:03:41 | 0:03:47 | |
in Denbighshire. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
It turns out that Denbighshire Council had no such person registered to that area, | 0:03:49 | 0:03:54 | |
but the team discovered a Blue Badge application in the name of John Mooney at his borough of Brent. | 0:03:54 | 0:04:00 | |
So why use a North Wales Blue Badge on his car | 0:04:00 | 0:04:04 | |
when John Mooney had one registered in London? | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
The Brent application contained a passport photo of John James Mooney. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:12 | |
It was a good quality picture, one that Mr Mooney himself had provided. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:17 | |
I scanned that photograph | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
and e-mailed that to Denbighshire | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
who identified that as a George Mooney, not John James Mooney, | 0:04:22 | 0:04:27 | |
a George Mooney of an address in Rhyl. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
There was a live claim for housing benefit at that address. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
George Mooney... Well, aren't we dealing with a John James Mooney claiming benefits in Brent? | 0:04:34 | 0:04:40 | |
That was the start of the click that you knew that yes, we've got a multiple. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:46 | |
When you've got a multiple, two can be just the start. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
Initially, when we got the investigation going, we thought they might be two different people, | 0:04:50 | 0:04:56 | |
so we needed to confirm for definite that they were the same person claiming in two different places. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:02 | |
The investigation team smelt a cheat, | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
so to prove that the two Mooneys were not two legitimate claimants | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
of the same family, like brothers, the team needed more evidence. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
John James Mooney has got very distinctive hand-writing, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:18 | |
so I faxed up to Denbighshire Council examples of his hand-writing | 0:05:18 | 0:05:24 | |
and they confirmed that the hand-writing that I had | 0:05:24 | 0:05:29 | |
was very similar or identical to the hand-writing that they had | 0:05:29 | 0:05:34 | |
for George Mooney. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
It was the first concrete proof that they were dealing with a potential scrounger. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:41 | |
We knew we had two claims. Although they had different National Insurance numbers and different dates of birth, | 0:05:41 | 0:05:47 | |
the pictures and the hand-writing were the same. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
Both were claiming as single men with attached disability benefits. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
Could it be that the two Mooneys were in fact one and the same, | 0:05:54 | 0:05:58 | |
yet claiming benefits at two councils hundreds of miles apart? | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
The team firmly believed they were dealing with an ID fraudster, | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
but they had to work out who was real and who was fake. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
I have access to a credit reference agency to make enquiries about people's bank accounts. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:20 | |
From my enquiries with George Mooney in North Wales, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:26 | |
it gave me another address in Manchester. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
It now seems there are three locations in the Mooney mix - | 0:06:29 | 0:06:34 | |
London, North Wales and Manchester. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
It's a much bigger case than Brent Council ever imagined, | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
so time to bring in the big guns - | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
'the Department for Work and Pensions Fraud Team, headed up by Bob Gallacher, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:50 | |
'who deals with nationwide cases on this kind of scale.' | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
Why would they contact you? The benefits are coming locally. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:58 | |
Why are you the connecting thing? | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
Because we're the specialists in dealing with multiple identification fraud. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:06 | |
We submitted a lot of his claim forms that he had passed over the years for forensic examination | 0:07:06 | 0:07:11 | |
and they came back positive, | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
both in terms of fingerprinting forensics | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
and hand-writing. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
So, forensics proved that their hunch was right all along. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:23 | |
George and John Mooney were in fact one and the same, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
but which one was the real Mooney | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
or could there even be more Mooneys in the mystery? | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
We did some checks on the Jaguar car | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
and that's exactly what led us on to a potential third identity. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
For now though, it's farewell to the fraudsters and hello to those we call saints, | 0:07:47 | 0:07:53 | |
those who help others in genuine need or who are too proud | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
or don't even know how to claim what's rightfully theirs. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
Starting university is a daunting prospect at the best of times, | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
but imagine facing that big change when you've got a disability. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
And that was the case with 22-year-old Tom Synnott, a young man with undiagnosed behavioural issues | 0:08:13 | 0:08:19 | |
who struggled with his schooling for as long as his family could remember. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
We couldn't get anybody, especially our GPs, | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
they seemed determined not to diagnose him as Asperger's. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
His parents did what they could to get him through the education system, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:35 | |
but for Tom, his schooldays were difficult and frustrating. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
I didn't really fit in very well. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
I never did at school. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
I used to get bullied a lot. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
During his primary school years, a number of tests were carried out by specialists | 0:08:48 | 0:08:53 | |
to assess his hearing, sight, balance and general behaviour. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:58 | |
Asperger's syndrome was discussed, but never formally diagnosed. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:02 | |
It affects how a person makes sense of the world, processes information and relates to others. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:07 | |
By the time that Tom got to secondary school, | 0:09:07 | 0:09:12 | |
we were beginning to despair | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
because all the appointments and so on had led nowhere. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
I didn't understand why I sort of... | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
..why I wasn't fitting in with the other students | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
and why I was finding it so difficult | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
to understand things that other people found so straightforward. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
I felt like a total outsider at school. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
Tom made it through sixth form. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
He had no problems academically, but he was still struggling socially | 0:09:39 | 0:09:44 | |
and only managed to get a job in the kitchen of his local pub. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
I was a dishwasher, | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
so obviously, it wasn't that much fun. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
but despite how I was surrounded by nice people, | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
I still couldn't fit in. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
Despite all the setbacks, Tom knew that a life washing dishes or on the dole wasn't for him, | 0:09:56 | 0:10:02 | |
so mustering up the courage, he applied to university. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
I found out about De Montfort through an e-mail by UCAS. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
I looked at the website, I looked at the criteria and I thought, "Hang on, this could work." | 0:10:09 | 0:10:16 | |
During the application process, Tom revealed his suspected Asperger's, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:21 | |
a decision which proved to be a turning point in his life. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
I thought, "It won't have any impact at all, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
"but I'll mention it anyway." | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
How wrong could he be? | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
While the university considered the application on academic merits, | 0:10:31 | 0:10:36 | |
his declaration of Asperger's was immediately examined by their Disability Advice and Support Team. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:43 | |
It is stressful coming to university. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:45 | |
Having to worry about your support is not acceptable. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
The team get involved right from day one. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:50 | |
Once a student declares on their UCAS form or if a student comes to an open day at De Montfort University, | 0:10:50 | 0:10:56 | |
they come and talk to the team. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
The university gave us a crucial piece of information | 0:10:58 | 0:11:04 | |
which was that there were cases | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
where students had been accepted as deserving | 0:11:06 | 0:11:11 | |
of Disabled Students' Allowance | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
simply on the basis of having a GP's letter. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
Finally, the news that Tom and his family had been waiting more than 20 years for. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:23 | |
I was amazed that we finally had got it. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
We have a letter saying Tom has Asperger's. I was elated, especially for Tom. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:31 | |
Armed with this letter from his GP, Tom was now eligible to apply for support and it was just in time, | 0:11:31 | 0:11:37 | |
as to his great elation, he was accepted to study History at De Montfort University. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:43 | |
So, finally, Tom has got what he needs, a formal diagnosis of Asperger's, | 0:11:43 | 0:11:48 | |
something that the family has always suspected, | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
but he still faces his biggest challenge yet - | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
how will he cope with life away from home at university? | 0:11:54 | 0:11:59 | |
One thing his parents were very concerned about was the change. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
Going from school into higher education is a big jump for any student. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
Tom was referred to AbilityNet by the university, | 0:12:06 | 0:12:11 | |
an organisation which sets out to improve the lives of disabled people at work, home or in education. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:17 | |
Elizabeth Hughes assessed Tom to see if he was eligible for the Disabled Students' Allowance, | 0:12:17 | 0:12:22 | |
a Government grant to help disabled students applying for university gain access to help and support. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:28 | |
He's academically very able. There's no problem academically. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
It was more to do with living with other people, | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
which, obviously, you do at university, | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
sharing facilities, | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
cooking, cleaning, | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
getting up in the morning. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
After that interview was over, I came away feeling much, much better about myself | 0:12:46 | 0:12:53 | |
and much better about my odds of surviving uni. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
Students with Asperger's are particularly prone to giving up on university in the first few weeks | 0:12:56 | 0:13:02 | |
if they don't get support. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
Tom needed a real, comprehensive support package | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
which involved computer equipment, a laptop or a PC, | 0:13:09 | 0:13:14 | |
specialist equipment, specialist software equipment as well, | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
but to my mind, more importantly, the mentoring support from the National Autistic Society. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:24 | |
And we work very closely with them at De Montfort. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:28 | |
Thanks to the 37-page report compiled by Elizabeth | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
which confirmed that Tom was indeed eligible for the Disabled Students' Allowance, from day one at uni, | 0:13:31 | 0:13:37 | |
measures were put into place to help Tom in every way possible. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
Tom ended up receiving over £2,000-worth of computer equipment and training, | 0:13:43 | 0:13:49 | |
as well as mentoring and support from the National Autistic Society, | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
but arriving at uni was still going to be a shock. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:58 | |
My first day here was absolutely terrifying. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
And I was just getting to meet my flatmates. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:07 | |
It was kind of surprising because I got along with them much better than I thought I would. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:13 | |
After initial concerns, Tom seemed to be settling in | 0:14:13 | 0:14:17 | |
and the mentors provided for him were easing him into student life. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:22 | |
They were just like the friends that I never really had at school. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
Just people I could talk to whenever I needed to. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
I can't even count the amount of times that I've turned to Lynda for help, | 0:14:29 | 0:14:35 | |
just with general advice, really. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
I can ask them anything. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
The grant that Tom received from the Disabled Students' Allowance was invaluable. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:44 | |
They don't get money. They get the goods and services that they need to support them in higher education. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:50 | |
I'd say that it was money that was really well spent. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
It's going to come back into the community over and over | 0:14:54 | 0:14:59 | |
because Tom's future is that much better. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
Finally, Tom's dreams of a future in education were falling into place. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:07 | |
He's enjoying the course and he's on track for a very good degree. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
It proves that the support is invaluable and that's the main thing for me. That's my job satisfaction. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:17 | |
I'm very proud of him. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
I still get a lump in my throat when I see my students graduate. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
When they go across that stage after their time at De Montfort, that's what is most important to us all. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:30 | |
I'm enjoying myself for the first time in...for ever. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
I just feel so much more confident than I ever did at school. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
The best decision that I ever made was to come to uni. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
To my mentors in particular, | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
I just want to say thank you so much. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
I will be forever in your debt. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
Without the help of De Montfort University and AbilityNet, | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
there's very little chance that Tom would have survived his time in higher education, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
but now that kid, whose prospects appeared so dim, is now in line for a first-class degree, | 0:16:04 | 0:16:11 | |
something that just a short time ago would have seemed impossible. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
Nice one, Tom. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:15 | |
'We're leaving the people who deserve our help to those that just help themselves. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:27 | |
'The case started with an anonymous tip-off in the London borough of Brent | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
'that a certain John James Mooney was not residing at the address for which he was claiming benefits. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:37 | |
'His red Jaguar displayed a disabled badge that was registered to Denbighshire, North Wales, | 0:16:37 | 0:16:43 | |
'where Brent Council's fraud team discovered he was claiming benefits using two names. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:48 | |
'Working alongside the DWP, forensic info showed | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
'that they were dealing with one man | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
'playing the part of two people - John and George Mooney. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
'But Bob Gallacher, the Department for Work and Pensions fraud expert who was overseeing the case, | 0:16:57 | 0:17:04 | |
'felt there were certain avenues that hadn't been fully explored.' | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
When you look at something like this, do you think, "He's driving a Jaguar?" Does that come into it? | 0:17:08 | 0:17:14 | |
It does act as a pointer in some respects, but it's not necessarily the sole factor. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:19 | |
But, yeah, it did lead us to increase our suspicions, if you will. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:24 | |
We did some checks on the Jaguar car | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
and that's exactly what led us on to a potential third identity. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:33 | |
And when we checked our computer records, | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
that's when we identified this third identity as being Bertie Mooney. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:41 | |
'Bertie Mooney? Where did he come from? | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
'ID provided by Mooney to claim benefits | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
'led the fraud investigation team at the DWP to contact authorities in the Republic of Ireland | 0:17:48 | 0:17:54 | |
'who had no records of either a John or George Mooney fitting the description. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:59 | |
'They did, however, have a birth certificate for a Bertie Mooney. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
'Could this finally be the missing link to the Mooneys' true identity?' | 0:18:03 | 0:18:08 | |
-Bertie Mooney? -Bertie Mooney. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
-He's the real man? -He's the real Mooney. -Right. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
And you know this because you've got birth certificates or other documentation | 0:18:13 | 0:18:18 | |
that proves Bertie is a real person? | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
This is where we worked closely with our colleagues in Ireland | 0:18:21 | 0:18:25 | |
and they were able to confirm that through birth registers | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
that Bertie Mooney did exist, he was the real person, so that's when we knew we were on to a winner. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:35 | |
'It now seems we have the true identity of our benefit fraudster - | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
'Bertie Mooney, born in Ireland. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
'The other two were simply his aliases.' | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
It's now looking like we've got three different claims. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
Same surname, different National Insurance number and date of birth. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:53 | |
Three different forenames, all claiming as single men | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
with disability benefits attached and state pension attached, | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
so quite a significant sum. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
It was now time to ramp up the investigation to a whole new level. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
I authorised surveillance for our investigators to actually follow Mr Mooney | 0:19:07 | 0:19:12 | |
and it was through that we were able to identify that the Mooney we were dealing with from Manchester | 0:19:12 | 0:19:18 | |
was the same Mooney we were dealing with in Rhyl and we were dealing with in London. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:23 | |
Bob and his surveillance team uncovered a pattern | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
involving Mooney driving his distinctive red Jaguar | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
hundreds of miles cross-country | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
to collect separate benefits, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
creating the impression that the three separate Mooneys were living in three separate areas. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:40 | |
John Mooney withdrew his benefit in London. George Mooney did the same in Rhyl, North Wales. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:46 | |
And Bertie Mooney was doing the same old trick in Manchester. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
So he was actually collecting his entire payments on a monthly basis | 0:19:50 | 0:19:55 | |
which is not the normal pattern. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
The thinking is if he's only collecting monthly, he can't be desperate for the money? | 0:19:58 | 0:20:03 | |
Exactly. And what we've got to bear in mind is this is the man's sole income. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:09 | |
What we did then is we contacted the post offices | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
and what we found out, for example, in North Wales... | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
One of the postmasters was able to tell us | 0:20:16 | 0:20:21 | |
that when he was withdrawing the money, his benefit entitlements, | 0:20:21 | 0:20:26 | |
he was actually depositing large sums of money into a post office investment account. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:31 | |
That's fantastic. You take a little bit out, you put a lot more back. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:37 | |
'The surveillance revealed a pattern when it came to Mooney's movements.' | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
What I'd like to show you here, Matt, is that our investigators followed Mr Mooney | 0:20:41 | 0:20:46 | |
from Manchester to North Wales. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
Finally, we followed him to London and again we repeated the same process. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:57 | |
We followed him to the post office. | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
We saw him cashing his benefits in the post office | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
and obviously, Manchester to London is a long way | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
in one day, so he actually spent the evening | 0:21:06 | 0:21:11 | |
in the address that he was renting in London. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
So you're linking each of the properties that could be somebody else, could be a different identity, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:20 | |
-but actually, you're seeing the same character go from one to the next? -Yes. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:25 | |
'After a year-long surveillance operation across the UK, | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
'seven different addresses were linked to Mooney, | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
'including a property bought outright for cash in Abergele, North Wales, in 2003. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:37 | |
'With assets like this, had he been means-tested, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
'there's no way Mooney would have been entitled to claim the kind of benefits he was.' | 0:21:40 | 0:21:46 | |
So the final parts of the jigsaw really had come together and we knew that we had a concrete case now | 0:21:46 | 0:21:52 | |
to present to him and give him the opportunity to tell us his side of the story. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:57 | |
I would love to have heard that conversation. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
'On the 17th of May, 2010, Bertie Mooney was arrested in Manchester.' | 0:22:01 | 0:22:06 | |
So what we did is we worked with the police in Greater Manchester | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
and we arranged for an arrest | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
and a search and seizure of the premises in which he was living in the Manchester area | 0:22:13 | 0:22:18 | |
and at the same time, we co-ordinated with | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
the North Wales Police and the London Police | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
to do a search and seizure of the property | 0:22:24 | 0:22:29 | |
both in Rhyl and in Abergele where he was living | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
and also in the flat in London, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
so that we were able to bring the whole exercise together | 0:22:35 | 0:22:40 | |
and we found various documentation in all of the premises. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
For example, in the London address, | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
we actually found the false passport which he had hidden under his pillow. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:51 | |
It was actually in his pillow case. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
We did a full search of the property that he was living in in Manchester | 0:22:53 | 0:22:58 | |
and we found quite a bundle of documentation | 0:22:58 | 0:23:04 | |
that was hidden in the garden shed. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
It confirmed everything that we basically found, | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
that he was operating three identities, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
he was operating three claims | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
and he was basically fleecing the Department for a lot of money. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:20 | |
'As well as revealing crucial documents, | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
'the search of Mooney's properties also revealed the true extent of his deceit.' | 0:23:23 | 0:23:28 | |
He had food in the property. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
If he was ever visited, he would say, "Yes, I've got food here." | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
But when you looked at the tins, | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
the tins of food were about four years out of date. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:41 | |
'Mooney was interviewed under caution and he admitted | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
'his real name, as suspected, was Bertie Mooney | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
'and he had been using the aliases of John and George | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
'for more than 20 years.' | 0:23:51 | 0:23:52 | |
During the course of the interview, | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
I got the impression that Mr Mooney was playing the role | 0:23:55 | 0:24:01 | |
of a lovable rogue. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
He was quite jocular, very friendly. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
He complained about his bad back, | 0:24:06 | 0:24:08 | |
but he came over as almost quite amused | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
about the fact that we'd gone to this trouble to catch him, | 0:24:11 | 0:24:16 | |
that he knew what he was doing was wrong, | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
but I think that he had grown accustomed to the amount of money that he was getting. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:25 | |
He effectively was getting three sets of benefits, as if he was three people. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:30 | |
He admitted to everything. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
'He was able to use his connections in the Republic of Ireland to help create his aliases.' | 0:24:32 | 0:24:39 | |
I would imagine through that access | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
that there is the ability to get a driving licence, | 0:24:42 | 0:24:46 | |
possibly a passport, if you're prepared to pay for these things, | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
then they can be used to obtain a National Insurance number. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
That's what he'd done. He had obtained three National Insurance numbers. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:59 | |
'Mooney was released on bail, but getting him before a judge proved harder than anticipated.' | 0:24:59 | 0:25:05 | |
-Tell me about court. What happened? -I have to say it did take a long time for us to get him into court | 0:25:05 | 0:25:12 | |
because there were a number of delaying tactics. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
I know he was genuinely admitted to hospital because he has some spinal problems. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:22 | |
He failed on several occasions to answer his bail conditions | 0:25:22 | 0:25:27 | |
and to appear in court as well. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
He was providing documentation from his doctors and consultants to say that he was unfit to stand trial | 0:25:29 | 0:25:35 | |
and this went on for quite a while, | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
but I think the judge who was actually trying the case | 0:25:38 | 0:25:43 | |
said that enough was enough and that he really wanted to get him into court | 0:25:43 | 0:25:49 | |
and that is exactly what happened. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
'Finally, on the 28th of February, 2012, | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
'Bertie Mooney appeared in court | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
'and pled guilty to 38 charges of benefit fraud, | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
'having falsely claimed benefits of over £460,000 over two decades.' | 0:26:00 | 0:26:06 | |
He finally appeared in Crown Court in Manchester and he was sentenced to 18 months' imprisonment. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:12 | |
The judge, in sentencing him, described him as a parasite on society, | 0:26:12 | 0:26:17 | |
taking money from those who actually needed it. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
As part of the financial investigation, the Jaguar would be taken away from him | 0:26:21 | 0:26:26 | |
by the Department for Work and Pensions and sold. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
The house was taken and seized and sold | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
and if there was any other assets, | 0:26:33 | 0:26:37 | |
they would endeavour to take those. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
On top of all of this, Bertie Mooney was asked to pay back an additional £100,000 within six months | 0:26:40 | 0:26:46 | |
or risk a further two-year sentence. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
So, Mooney spent years clocking up the miles on his Jag | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
as he cruised around the country, picking up his benefits. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
Now, thanks to the hard work of fraud investigators, he's not going anywhere. He's in a jail cell. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:03 | |
On the plus side, he's saving loads in petrol. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 |