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One of the things that makes this country great is that,

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whenever we find someone in genuine need, we help them out.

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Our welfare system is there to help when life deals us a duff hand.

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My confidence had gone, smashed to pieces.

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But then, whenever there's cash on offer

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you'll always find someone who wants to steal it.

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It didn't look like your average benefit claimant's house.

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Those trying to sponge off the system

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won't always get away with it.

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We will investigate thoroughly and take the appropriate action.

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This is the world of Saints And Scroungers.

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This is Saints And Scroungers.

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We expose the people who think they can make a fast buck

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stealing public money from you and me, the taxpayer.

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And we also share the stories of society's deserving,

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unsung heroes and heroines.

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The saints get the recognition they deserve,

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and for the fraudsters it's payback time.

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Coming up on today's show...

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..a supposedly single mother is singled out for investigation

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after she lies about her relationship status...

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In the lounge of the house was their wedding photo,

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clearly bride and bridegroom.

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..and an ex-military man has his dreams of a job

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on civvy street crushed by the economic climate.

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I felt shattered and battered and bruised.

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I didn't know what to do any more. I just... I was finished.

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Having children when you're very young can be a lot to cope with,

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and it's especially difficult if you haven't got

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the support of a partner.

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But then, luckily, here in the UK

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we have a financial system that you can fall back on.

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And some people really do take advantage of that.

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Maxine Green, a single mother of two from Havering,

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had her first child in 1982, when she was 16.

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For years, the family relied on income support,

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housing benefit and council tax benefit to get by.

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But Maxine's situations wasn't unusual to Chris Henry,

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a Benefits Manager for Havering Council.

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Havering Council is a medium-sized authority.

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There are approximately 100,000 properties in the borough,

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of which 21,000 of those properties are in receipt

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of housing and council tax benefit.

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But not everyone is entitled to the benefits they're claiming,

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and it takes Chris's vigilant team to stay on top of it.

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We have seven investigators,

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and an intelligence officer led by a manager,

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who are responsible for looking into potential cases of fraud.

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On this occasion, it was Havering's debt recovery team

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that brought one particular case to light.

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In 2010, a council's bailiff referred a Mr Michael Dowman

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to the investigation team to look into

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what didn't seem right with regards to his benefit claim.

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It appeared to the bailiff that he was living beyond his means

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as a person claiming housing and council tax benefit.

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So, Michael Dowman was living a lavish lifestyle that didn't add up.

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But it was all soon to come to an end.

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Our investigations team looked into Michael Dowman's history

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and did background checks on him and determined that he had been

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receiving benefit that he wasn't entitled to.

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They gathered the evidence together, proved this in court,

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and he was actually prosecuted.

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Another fraudulent claim stopped in its tracks.

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But Michael Dowman wasn't the only suspicious name

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to come out of the case.

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It was looking like Havering Council had opened a can of worms.

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During the investigation with Michael Dowman,

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it came to light from his records that he'd been on holiday

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with a person named Maxine Kemp.

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Maxine Kemp - hold on, we have already met a Maxine, haven't we?

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It was time to pass the case on for further inspection,

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as it was possible this associate of Michael Dowman's

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could also be involved in the fraud somehow.

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Their investigator has asked to stay anonymous.

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One of my colleagues was investigating another case,

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and she came across the name Maxine Kemp in that investigation,

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and an address in Bevan Way in Hornchurch.

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She did some checks on that name and address,

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and found that we had a live benefit claim

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at that address, but in the name of Maxine Green.

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Ah, Maxine Green, yes, I know her.

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We've got two Maxines, then, one address and a load of benefits.

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Maxine Green was claiming housing and council tax benefit from Havering Council,

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and she was also claiming Jobseeker's Allowance from the DWP,

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and in the past claimed income support from them.

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And, because she had two children,

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she was also in receipt of tax credits.

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This was suspicious and needed further investigation,

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and the file was passed to me to look at it.

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So, Havering Council's investigation team

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needed to get to the bottom of this mess.

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The first thing I decided to do was research the address

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and to research both names,

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so I conducted data credit checks on both of the names.

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I couldn't find any trace of Maxine Kemp on any of our systems

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in relation to benefits or paying council tax.

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Things were starting to look fishy.

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So, Maxine Green was living with Maxine Kemp,

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but only Maxine Green was claiming benefit.

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Maybe there was a perfectly reasonable explanation for all this.

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Maybe it was a friend or relative who just needed

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a bed for a couple of weeks,

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and happened to be called Maxine.

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Through my experience with investigating similar offences,

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I had the idea that it could be one of two possibilities -

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one being that Maxine Green and Maxine Kemp were the same person

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and that she could possibly be using another name

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in connection with a benefit fraud,

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or that it could be somebody else staying at her house

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that she hadn't declared, and they could be two separate people.

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There's absolutely nothing wrong with Maxine Kemp

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and Maxine Green living together in the same household,

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as long as Maxine Green has declared Maxine Kemp

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on her claim for housing and council tax benefit.

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Now, if you claim these benefits, someone else living with you

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could affect the amount of money you receive.

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Maxine Green had declared no other adults living in the property,

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certainly no-one by the name of Maxine Kemp.

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But their main investigator had one possible theory.

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In my experience, a common benefit fraud

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is what they call living together,

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where a single parent bringing up children is, in fact,

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living with a partner or their spouse, and as a result

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they're receiving benefits to which they wouldn't be entitled.

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I did suspect that that might be the case in this investigation,

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as it is not unusual for people to use their maiden names

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to disguise their actual married names.

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So, it was possible one of the Maxines was married.

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It was up to the fraud team to find out,

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so they did further research and credit checks into the address.

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I discovered that there was a male living there, as well, a Mr Kemp,

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and that could either have been the partner of Maxine Green

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or it could have been another relative of Maxine Kemp.

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Again, at that stage, I wasn't sure.

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So, on the record there was a Maxine Green, a Maxine Kemp

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and a Mr Kemp at one address.

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Exactly what the connections were between the three was unknown,

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but not for much longer.

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The investigation was about to come to a head.

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I asked her if she was alone in the house,

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and she confirmed that she was alone.

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And a few moments after saying that,

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a gentleman came down the stairs,

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obviously dressed in his night attire,

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and she told me that it was her brother.

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For now, it's farewell to the fraudsters

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and hello to the people we call our saints -

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those in society that help others desperately in need

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to claim what they rightfully can.

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Setting up your own business can be a lot of hard work,

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but if you're successful then you reap the rewards.

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But if your business fails, it's far too easy

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to start seeing yourself as on the scrapheap,

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and that can knock a person for six.

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38-year-old Chris Lewis, a husband and father of three children

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aged ten, eight and six, felt the full force of this

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when he made the decision to give up a secure military career for a new life.

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I'd just done 16 years in the Royal Air Force,

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eight years within the engineering environment,

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working on fast jets, Chinook helicopters, things like that.

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The last eight years I was on learning and development,

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coaching and training, developing the new people

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who joined the Royal Air Force.

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A pretty amazing job.

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But the exciting military career meant constant upheaval

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for Jenny, his wife, and their children.

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So, after a decade and a half, Chris decided it was time to leave

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the RAF and set up his own business,

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still coaching and training, but in a much wider arena.

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He had a bit of money from the Air Force, some savings,

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so that that was our buffer zone that would help us get through.

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But the excitement and optimism wasn't to last.

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The crumbling UK economy meant

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regardless of the hours he put in searching for work,

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Chris was unable to gain the employment he expected,

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and he was facing financial ruin.

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I've come to meet him, to hear more about this turbulent time

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in his and his family's life, and his choice to leave the military.

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-It's a big decision, though.

-Yeah, terrifying.

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-Terrifying?

-Yeah.

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I've given up my pension, I've walked away from a really,

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really good salary, but it's just money. At the end of the day,

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when I'm put in that box, buried in the ground,

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my legacy will be my kids and my grandkids

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and my amazing wife, and you can't put a price on that, I don't think.

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-Tell me about the business.

-The coalition government took over,

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and my business model got destroyed overnight.

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Everyone's budget went... They all sucked in, and went,

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"We've got no money. We cannot hire you in."

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Financially, things started to get incredibly testing at home,

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with £2,500 less every month coming in,

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and the family reliant solely on Jenny's nurse's wage.

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The first six months, we didn't expect miracles.

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I mean, we knew it would be difficult,

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but as it got to 10 months,

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we started to worry a bit and we were thinking,

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well, why aren't things picking up?

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Then a year went and still there was no change,

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and the whole time, we were relying on the money that we saved.

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Night and day for a year and a half,

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Chris touted his coaching business and applied for jobs,

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but he was faced with constant rejection.

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I was thinking that I've let the family down,

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I've let my wife down, I've let all my mates down

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who said I could be a success.

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I just felt like I'd let everyone down.

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It was all building up, and I just sat on the bed.

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I never cry. And Jenny came into the bedroom and said,

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"Are you all right?" And I just went, "No." And I burst into tears.

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None of us really knew what to do to help him get out of that place.

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He just kept saying, "I just want a chance. I just want a chance."

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At the peak of the financial crisis,

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it made sense for Chris to seek help from the state.

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You could claim benefits.

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Yeah, yeah. I would probably be classed as 'economically inactive',

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I think is the term. A businessman who is not making any money.

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So why didn't you claim those benefits?

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To me, it was admitting to myself,

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"You've failed at everything you've tried to achieve."

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You've served the country for 15 years, you've paid in

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in both ways, you know,

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financially and in terms of what you have given to the nation.

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If anybody's entitled to claim benefits, you are.

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-But no?

-No.

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When it seemed there was nowhere else to turn,

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Chris was told about a Department for Work & Pensions-funded charity

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whose aim is to help

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ex-military staff adjust to civilian life

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and find work.

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When people leave the Services,

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if they've been over four years in the Services.

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they do get quite a bit of support.

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But it isn't always what they need.

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When they're under four years,

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they don't get too much support at all.

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Housing's an issue.

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Money, obviously, funding,

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you know, to actually live.

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Training, cos coming out of the Army, they have a vast array

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of training.

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But it isn't always equipped for what's out on the real world.

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I met with Remploy. It just happened to be on my birthday.

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So I'm sat there on my birthday,

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and everything changed that day.

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People say, "What did Remploy do different to change your mind?"

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They just believed in me.

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When I first met Chris, I thought,

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"Here's a chap that is so employable and full of confidence."

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I thought he was full of confidence, till I had a conversation with him.

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We do an initial assessment when we meet up with anybody,

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not just ex-vets,

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to get to the base of what their problems are,

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and Chris had obviously faced some awful knock-backs

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and had got really, really down.

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Almost the best thing Chris did

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was to finally accept he needed some external support.

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-So you walked through the doors?

-Yep.

-What are they offering you?

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They just said, "We'll be able to target your CV,

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"we have partners we work with,

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"we're connected to the local community.

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I'd block a day off and go in, use their computers

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and print off my CVs, my cover letters, they'd frank my mail.

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It was brilliant just to have someone with a smile on their face

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and someone else being a human being towards me.

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-And it takes you away from your home?

-Yeah.

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And everything that's here.

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-All the worries.

-You're right.

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So it gets you away from that

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into a fresh environment

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-where you can breathe a bit.

-Yeah, breath of fresh air.

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What's more, the charity had contacts

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that started to open doors for Chris.

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Remploy have partner organisations.

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I gave Chris the numbers of those organisations that might be able to help him.

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I'd been firing out e-mails.

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My old Wing Commander

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forwarded my CV to a charity called Remount

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which works with veterans

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transitioning from leaving the Armed Forces,

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I thought, "Yeah, thanks for doing that. Appreciate that."

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I sent him a thank you e-mail, but I got a reply from the chief executive.

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That CEO was Bill McLachlan.

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After hearing about Chris,

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he invited him to take part in a course called Remount One.

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We teach them how to capitalise on all the experience and skills

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that they've learnt in the military

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and how to utilise those to

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develop a second career in civilian life.

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Bill spotted something else in Chris

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that could help him take the charity to the next level.

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I liked the way he was a very positive individual.

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He was obviously not put off by the odd stumble here and there,

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And he seemed to be the ideal candidate

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when I came to look for someone

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to run the Remount Two course.

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So, after 18 months of struggling,

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it seems Chris has finally found what he's looking for.

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What does the future hold for you?

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In five weeks I start my new job.

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My new course director job for Remount.

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Pretty exciting times. I've been handed a project.

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He's never given a project of this size to someone in the past.

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He's got total trust in me.

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The way he's just kept on,

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I think a lot of other people would have just given up.

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I met up with Chris last week and we've set up a small project

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for ex-veterans

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linked in with Remploy,

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and Chris will do the training for me.

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My life went from nothing,

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working really hard and getting nothing from it.

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My life is so busy at the moment

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I'm getting lots of training projects,

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I'm getting phone calls all the time.

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I can turn work down.

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Chris' story shows

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that even when life takes an unexpected turn,

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if you have the right people there to guide you,

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you still have a chance to get it back on track.

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In June, 2010, Havering Council's bailiffs stumbled across the name

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Maxine Kemp while looking at another case.

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During the investigation of Michael Dowman, information came to light.

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He'd actually been on holiday to Amsterdam

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with a person named Maxine Kemp.

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Michael Dowman was prosecuted

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and sent to jail for housing benefit fraud.

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So Havering Council thought it necessary to do further

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credit checks on this Maxine Kemp,

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in case she was an associate.

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Nothing came up under the name Maxine Kemp,

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but at Kemp's registered address there was a live benefit claim

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under the name Maxine Green.

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As a result of that,

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the investigating officer decided to look further into the case

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of Maxine Green.

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She was, according to Havering Council,

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a single mum of two, claiming income support, plus housing benefit

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and council tax benefit.

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If Maxine Kemp was living at the property

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with Maxine Green,

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and had been declared,

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for council tax purposes,

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we wouldn't have allowed a discount to be awarded.

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They also discovered a Mr Kemp was registered as living at the address,

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which shed further suspicion on how many Maxines really existed.

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So it was starting to look like Maxine Green and Maxine Kemp

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were in fact the same person.

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And rather than being

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a poor, single, penniless mum,

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she was actually shacked up with a very supportive other half.

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But Havering's investigator needed to prove this.

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I conducted financial checks into Mr Kemp

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and found a number of accounts

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that were registered in his name at that address,

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such as a Lloyd's Bank account.

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He had loans at that address,

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he had a mobile phone contract at that address.

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And he also had a credit card

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registered to that address.

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That indicated to me it was a pretty permanent arrangement

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that he was living there.

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And that wasn't all.

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I checked with the National Health Service who his GP was,

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and their records indicated that Mr Kemp

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had previously lived at an address where

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Maxine Green had lived,

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prior to moving to Bevan Way.

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And that his current address was in fact at her address

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in Bevan Way as well.

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This indicated to me they had a long-standing relationship,

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going back a number of years.

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For two decades, Maxine Green

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had been claiming benefits as a single parent

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when in fact she'd been living with a partner all along.

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But it wasn't just any partner.

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As my suspicions grew,

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I decided to have another look at her claim forms.

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She was claiming for two children

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throughout the period of her claim.

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I decided to check their birth certificates,

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which I did and I found

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that Mr Kemp was the father of her children.

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Yep, he was the daddy.

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And looking back on Maxine's prior benefit applications,

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Chris couldn't be more certain

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that a huge fraud against Havering Council

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and the Department for Work & Pensions had taken place.

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Housing and council tax benefit is calculated

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based on the number of adults' income

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in the household.

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You can see on this claim form

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that Maxine Green has declared herself

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but no partner.

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Basically, there's no other adults

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declared on the claim.

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Maxine Green hadn't declared Mr Kemp,

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so we were unaware of what his income was.

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So the investigators had to look into his income and capital

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to determine if that would affect

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Maxine Green's claim for benefit.

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So there was the chance that even though Maxine Green wasn't eligible

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for council tax benefit as a single person,

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she still needed housing benefit and income support

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because Mr Kemp was not financially flush.

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More detailed checks needed to take place.

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I contacted the Department for Work & Pensions

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to ascertain whether Mr Kemp

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had been in employment during this period.

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I found out he had in fact had employments

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working for a security company in the past.

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He had correctly paid his national insurance and income tax on those.

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I also found out later

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that since 2001,

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he had been a licensed black cab driver in London.

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Now it was time for everyone involved to hit the streets

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in an attempt

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to catch Maxine Green...red-handed.

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It was down to Havering Council's

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Benefits manager, Chris Henry,

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to kick the whole process off.

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I decided to involve the police,

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and have them attend the property with our investigators

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to confront Mr Kemp and Maxine Green.

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It was apparent to me

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that any offences would have been committed

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over a very long period of time.

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And that the amount of money involved

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would be very large.

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An early Christmas present arrived for Maxine Green

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in December, 2010,

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in the form of Havering Council,

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the Department for Work & Pensions and the police.

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As we entered,

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instinctively I asked her if she was alone in the house,

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and she confirmed she was alone.

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A few moments after saying that,

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a gentleman came down the stairs,

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obviously dressed in his night attire.

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Maxine Green's explanation

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of this "gentleman"

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didn't quite cut the mustard as far as the investigators were concerned.

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I said to her, "Who's he?

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"You told me you was on your own."

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She told me it was her brother.

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The tale was too tall this time

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and Maxine Green was arrested on suspicion

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of committing benefit fraud.

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Then she and her long-term lover

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were interviewed in separate rooms.

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He immediately identified himself as Mr Kemp.

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He explained he was in fact her husband.

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And made no secret of the fact.

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He basically denied any knowledge

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that she was claiming benefits

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and didn't know what it was all about.

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He was also arrested

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on suspicion of assisting her to commit the offences.

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It was time to take a look around the family home.

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The property was well-furnished.

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It was well-decorated.

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It had chandeliers hanging from the ceiling.

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The police conducted a search in all the rooms of the house

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and found correspondence

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relating to Mr Kemp being at the address

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going back a number of years,

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such as bank statements,

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credit card bills,

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mobile phone bills,

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correspondence relating to a joint gym membership.

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Later on, we even found a safe in the bedroom,

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which is unusual with somebody on benefits.

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And the whole demeanour and appearance

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of the place was somebody

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with the trappings of some wealth.

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Although Maxine Green and Mr Kemp were definitely

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a cohabiting couple,

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there was one thing still unconfirmed.

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I had no definite proof that they were in fact married.

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However, in the lounge of the house

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was their wedding photo.

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Clearly the bride and the bridegroom

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and subsequently,

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I obtained their marriage certificate,

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which proved conclusively they'd been married since 1992.

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After interviews under caution,

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both Maxine Green and Mr Kemp

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were charged with making false statements to claim benefits

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and failing to report changes in circumstances.

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In April 2012,

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Maxine Green pleaded guilty

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to the charges,

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and Mr Kemp pleaded not guilty.

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Because the weight of evidence really was against Maxine Green

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as the claimant,

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Havering decided to drop the charges against Mr Kemp

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and proceed with Mrs Green's indictments.

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So charges against Mr Kemp were dropped

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and he always maintained he knew nothing of his wife's claims.

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Their marriage in 1992

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meant that for almost 20 years

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Maxine Green had claimed benefits when she shouldn't have.

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And the total figure was shocking.

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There was over £165,000-worth

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of fraudulent overpayments

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and this was made up of child tax credit,

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housing benefits, council tax benefit,

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Jobseeker's Allowance and income support.

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She'd robbed Havering Council of more than

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£71,000-worth of benefits.

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The Department for Work & Pensions

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of over £89,000

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and had wrongly received

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nearly £5,000 in tax credits.

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There was only one thing certain for this scrounger.

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In June, 2012,

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at Basildon Crown Court,

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the judge sentenced Maxine Green to 15 months' imprisonment.

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What started as a simple holiday to Amsterdam with Michael Dowman

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meant jail for Maxine Green

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and a double whammy for Havering Council.

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The jail sentence sends the message

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to those people who are claiming benefits

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that they're not entitled to

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that we are willing to prosecute and incarcerate people

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who fraudulently claim.

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As soon as Maxine Green gets out of jail,

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we will pursue her to get that money back.

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So, after two decades of lying about her marital status,

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in order to claim benefits,

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Maxine Green has now at last achieved

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the single lifestyle she lied about for so long.

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Unfortunately for her, she's doing it in prison.

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What a waste.

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