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Here in the UK, we're lucky to have things like transport networks, legal aid and free health care. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:09 | |
I'm grateful that the NHS exists. I have personally benefited from it. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:13 | |
The fact that the benefits are there when things go wrong is vital. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:18 | |
These services are mostly paid for by us, the taxpayer, | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
and on the whole, we don't mind. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
But what happens when someone tries to steal from the system? | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
I think it's shocking that people lie to get benefits. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:32 | |
It sickens me and saddens me. They're depriving people who need it. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
With the economy as tough as it is, it's more important than ever | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
that those who nick from the system don't get away with it | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
and those who need help get it. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:48 | |
This is the world of Saints And Scroungers. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
Coming up on today's show, the scroungers out to cheat the system - | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
a pensioner on benefits leading a double life, ripping off the state for tens of thousands of pounds. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:05 | |
The total overpayment was ?108,835.31. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:12 | |
A fraudster claiming Disability Allowance with a secret job that required him to keep in shape. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:18 | |
I observed him over three days where he performed a number of activities, | 0:01:18 | 0:01:22 | |
including five minutes on a cross-trainer and also using the free weights. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:27 | |
And we meet someone urgently in need of a helping hand. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
A woman who has brought up her family in the same council house for 30 years faces having to move | 0:01:30 | 0:01:36 | |
after the introduction of the bedroom tax. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
Now I'm unemployed. Where am I going to get 25% extra to pay my landlord? | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
The potential was there that I would lose my home. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
Council housing started in the late 19th century | 0:01:49 | 0:01:53 | |
and it was designed to give accommodation to people on low incomes. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:57 | |
It's a huge success judging by the fact that in the UK right now, | 0:01:57 | 0:02:02 | |
1.8 million people would love to be in a council house. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:07 | |
With such desperate need for accommodation, | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
no-one would take that kind of thing for granted, would they? | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
Would they? | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
Well, meet 68-year-old Susan Cohen, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
a pensioner living in a council house in Barnet who is getting help from the welfare system. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:25 | |
She seemed like a deserving case for support from the state, | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
but when fraud investigators in Barnet got some information from the Department for Work and Pensions, | 0:02:29 | 0:02:35 | |
they saw her in a whole new light. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
Barnet has the second largest population in London | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
and it's due to grow by 4.4% over the next five years. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:45 | |
I've come to the borough to find out more about her case. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
Clair Green is the Assurance Assistant Director at the council. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:54 | |
How many council properties do you have in Barnet? We've got about 11,500 across the borough. | 0:02:55 | 0:03:00 | |
A pretty high demand for them too. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
So, as soon as one of those becomes available, there will be someone who needs it? Yeah, absolutely. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:08 | |
When did you first hear about the name Susan Cohen? | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
We work very closely with the counter-fraud service at the Department of Work and Pensions, | 0:03:11 | 0:03:17 | |
so we received a referral from them. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
What was it about Susan Cohen in particular that brought up a red flag for them? | 0:03:19 | 0:03:24 | |
They had suspicions through looking into verifying a separate claim | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
that they thought maybe she owned a property that we weren't aware of. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:33 | |
So, to own a property and also be in receipt of benefit for another property, | 0:03:33 | 0:03:39 | |
that doesn't feel right. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
No, that's pretty unusual, someone who owns a property who's in receipt of benefit. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:47 | |
The information from the DWP prompted Clair straight into action | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
and her first job was to dig out Miss Cohen's current claims. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:56 | |
On paper, Miss Cohen presented herself as a pensioner | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
who was in receipt of income support and pension credits, no other income. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:06 | |
She had a council tenancy. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
She had been resident at the address since 1983 | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
and she stated on the form that she had no other interest in any other property. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
She didn't own any other properties or she didn't have any other income coming in. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:21 | |
Susan Cohen was receiving nearly ?130 | 0:04:21 | 0:04:26 | |
in housing and council tax benefit | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
and ?125 in pensioners' credits every week. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
After looking at what she had said on claim forms, | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
the Barnet team delved further into what the DWP had uncovered. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
They had alerted Clair's team about Susan Cohen after investigating a tenant at a separate address. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:47 | |
This tenant was claiming incapacity and housing benefit | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
from a house in Booth Road in Barnet. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:55 | |
During that investigation, fraud officers found two names linked to the ownership of that address - | 0:04:55 | 0:05:01 | |
Cohen and Dwek. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
DWP records had a Susan Cohen claiming pension credits | 0:05:03 | 0:05:08 | |
living at the council property in Woodburn Close | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
and she hadn't declared that she owned any property, | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
something that would have substantially affected her claim. Could this be the same person? | 0:05:16 | 0:05:21 | |
The investigators in Barnet got straight on the case, | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
checking the name Susan Cohen and Susan Dwek on their systems. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:30 | |
And by trawling through years of paperwork dating back to 1983, | 0:05:30 | 0:05:35 | |
the team got a break with some crucial information. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
Tony Nash was a lead investigator in the case. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
You've got the name Dwek. Where does that name come from? | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
That is Mrs Cohen's maiden name. Where did you find that information that linked those two names? | 0:05:49 | 0:05:56 | |
We found that on an application form that had been received in March 2006. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:01 | |
'So, from old benefit applications, the investigators now had evidence | 0:06:01 | 0:06:06 | |
'that the two people Susan Dwek and Susan Cohen were in fact the same person.' | 0:06:06 | 0:06:12 | |
So you've got Cohen equals Dwek. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
Where do you take it next? | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
We did some checks using our authorised officer powers | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
to show bank account details | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
and there was a tenant that she was being paid benefit to. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
It came back in the name of Susan Dwek. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
OK, let's get this straight. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
Susan's council house was in Woodburn Close | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
and the private property they believed she was receiving a rental income from | 0:06:38 | 0:06:43 | |
in the name of Susan Dwek was in Booth Road. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:47 | |
However, the fraud team noticed that she was also using a third address | 0:06:47 | 0:06:52 | |
in Heriot Road in Hendon when writing to her tenant as Susan Dwek. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
The team did Land Registry checks on the two private addresses | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
and the results they got back were surprising. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:04 | |
She owned two properties, both of which she purchased without the need for a mortgage. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:11 | |
So she's bought two houses for cash, it appears, | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
and she's also claiming benefit for the council house she's got in her other name, Cohen. That's correct. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:21 | |
Does owning a property count you out from getting benefit? | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
It does make a difference, yes, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
and the fact that she didn't have a mortgage on either property | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
would negate any benefit entitlement. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
Two houses and no mortgages. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
This woman was hardly a hard-up OAP. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
The investigators decided to pay Susan a visit at her council house | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
in Woodburn Close in Barnet to get some answers. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
Susan Cohen had actually moved into the council property in 1983 | 0:07:51 | 0:07:56 | |
and had been claiming housing and council tax benefit since 1989. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:01 | |
The council property was visited on several occasions and at no time was Mrs Cohen present there. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:08 | |
The property looked empty and was unkempt. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
It didn't look as if it had been lived in for some time | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
and also statements were taken to confirm that Mrs Cohen very rarely came to the property. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:22 | |
Hang on. Susan only visited the property, | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
but she was meant to have been living there for 20-odd years. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
When investigators asked the neighbours, they said nobody lived in the house | 0:08:30 | 0:08:35 | |
and people just came round to collect post. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
With thousands of people on the list for a council place in Barnet, here was one that was sat empty. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:44 | |
The information matched what the DWP had told the Barnet team, | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
so it was time to take stock of what they knew about this OAP. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
There were three properties. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
The first property was the council property which was left empty. | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
The second property we believe Susan Cohen was living in herself | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
and the third property we believe she was renting out. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
The investigators suspected that Susan Cohen was living | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
at the house she owned in Heriot Road in Hendon | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
and it was her property at Booth Road in Barnet where she was getting a rental income. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:18 | |
When we checked our system, the investigation revealed that there was benefit being paid | 0:09:18 | 0:09:24 | |
to the landlord of the tenant, Miss Cohen, under the alias name of Dwek. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
The investigators worked out that Susan had been getting taxpayers' money | 0:09:28 | 0:09:33 | |
from her tenant in Booth Road for nearly a decade. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
She could have potentially pocketed as much as ?54,000 | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
as a landlord while claiming ?13,000 in benefits at the same time. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:47 | |
It was time to interview her about her claim and her properties, | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
but as we'll find out later, Susan thought she had done nothing wrong. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
Mrs Cohen gave a pre-prepared statement prior to the interview. | 0:09:55 | 0:10:00 | |
"I deny being dishonest or gaining any financial benefit | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
"from the properties I purchased in my own name." | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
For now, it's farewell to the fraudsters that are trying to cheat the system and let's say hello | 0:10:11 | 0:10:16 | |
to those who we call our saints | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
who do everything to make sure that people who genuinely require help, | 0:10:18 | 0:10:23 | |
but are too proud or don't know how to help themselves, get what they deserve. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:28 | |
When you're bringing up a family, that tends to be your complete focus | 0:10:31 | 0:10:36 | |
and if you're doing it right, eventually, they'll want to fly the nest and leave you on your own, | 0:10:36 | 0:10:41 | |
but when you've got no-one but yourself to rely on, small things can have a big effect | 0:10:41 | 0:10:47 | |
and, potentially, that small change can leave you jobless and without a home. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:53 | |
Meet 54-year-old Jennifer Carty who brought up her four children | 0:10:54 | 0:10:59 | |
in a three-bedroomed council house in south-east London. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
She had always worked and was happy with her job in a nursing home. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
I've always enjoyed the social interaction with people. I'm a people's person. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:12 | |
As an administrator, I was sort of at the forefront of it | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
because as people came in, it was me that they came to. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:21 | |
I was responsible for showing them around the home, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:26 | |
keeping records up to date, | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
opening and closing the office. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
Yeah, it was a very varied role. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:36 | |
But after a reshuffle in management, she found herself where no hard-working person wants to be - | 0:11:36 | 0:11:42 | |
unemployed and on the dole. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
Having to sign on caused me a lot of embarrassment. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:49 | |
It wasn't something that I envisaged for my life. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
It wasn't a place where I wanted to be. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
For me, it was just degrading. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
What I feared most of all was that I wouldn't get a job | 0:12:00 | 0:12:06 | |
and that I would be labelled as "lazy" | 0:12:06 | 0:12:11 | |
or, you know, a scrounger. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
Jennifer had to claim Jobseeker's Allowance to keep her head above water, | 0:12:14 | 0:12:20 | |
but was finding it hard to survive on the ?57 a week she was getting, | 0:12:20 | 0:12:25 | |
then a change in welfare law meant she had to face another massive problem - | 0:12:25 | 0:12:30 | |
having to pay more for her home in rent. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
When I first heard about the bedroom tax, | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
it did cause me concern. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
So there I was unemployed | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
and struggling, you know, just to find money for basic things | 0:12:42 | 0:12:48 | |
and, you know, it was really, really difficult. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:53 | |
They were telling me that I would have to pay 25%. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
Now, I'm unemployed. Where am I going to get 25% extra to pay my landlord? | 0:12:57 | 0:13:02 | |
The so-called bedroom tax affects tenants in social housing | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
who have large properties and are not occupying all of the bedrooms. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:10 | |
Under the new regulations, their housing benefit is lowered, | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
so they are charged for having spare rooms. Jennifer had two spare bedrooms she couldn't now afford. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:20 | |
It meant she'd have to move, potentially away from south-east London. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
I was born in the borough | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
and it's always been home to me. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
The family home was always a family home. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
Everybody socialised there. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
I had a lovely place and all the family used to come round and we'd have meals. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:45 | |
All the grandchildren came along | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
and they'd come and we'd go on trips and play in the garden. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:53 | |
It was just a lovely environment to be in. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
The last of Jennifer's children moved out of the family home in 2011, | 0:13:56 | 0:14:01 | |
but they all decided to settle close by, near to where Jennifer's mum also lived. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:07 | |
The house where Jennifer raised her daughters was a very caring place. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:13 | |
She gave them her all. She looked after them the best she could. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:17 | |
They were happy and very contented because of what Jennifer did for them. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:23 | |
Jennifer had been enjoying her independence after the children had flown the nest, | 0:14:23 | 0:14:29 | |
but keeping the house was now looking almost impossible. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:33 | |
My family had all grown up and they had all moved out, | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
so it was just me in this big house | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
and there I was struggling to pay for the heating and the lighting, the gas and everything. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:46 | |
It soon became apparent that I would need to do something because I just couldn't maintain it. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:53 | |
With the prospect of losing her home and moving out of the area that she loved, | 0:14:53 | 0:14:58 | |
Jennifer's need to find a job became even more urgent. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
I tried to find work in so many different avenues. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:08 | |
I would be on the internet. I'd go for interviews. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:12 | |
I'd send out letters. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
Half the time you... In fact, the majority of the time, you just wouldn't get a response. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:21 | |
And it would leave me feeling... | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
It just accelerated that downward spiral. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
I'd think, "Well, what is it? What's wrong with me? | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
"I'm not stupid. I do have qualifications. Why is it I'm not getting a job?" | 0:15:30 | 0:15:35 | |
But it just wasn't happening. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
Imagine how frustrating that must be for Jennifer. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
She's looking for a new job. She's got the skills and the experience to get one, | 0:15:41 | 0:15:46 | |
but no matter how hard she tries, nothing is forthcoming. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
Instead, she's on benefits and getting more and more depressed. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:55 | |
There were days when I really didn't want to get out of bed, to be honest. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:01 | |
I would cry because I would think to myself, you know, "I haven't got any money, | 0:16:01 | 0:16:07 | |
"I can't actually even feed myself and clothe myself. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
"I don't want to be relying on anyone. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
"I don't want to be relying on the state." | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
But there were many times when I'd have to go to my mum to eat because, you know, I just didn't have it. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:24 | |
It was fast turning into an unmanageable situation | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
and one that Jennifer desperately wanted to get out of. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
It was really hard for her | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
because she had to sort of rely on me | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
for food and anything. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
And she never liked that because she's a very particular person. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
She likes to do things...freely | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
and when she has to depend on anybody else, it really makes her angry. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:55 | |
Jennifer needed help and she eventually got some, but from an unlikely source - | 0:16:55 | 0:17:00 | |
her landlords, a non-profit housing association, Family Mosaic. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:05 | |
Carol Barnes Alexander works in their Housing Options Team | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
and one of their roles is to help people who are affected by bedroom tax. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:14 | |
In April 2013, the government introduced bedroom tax. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:19 | |
And this resulted in deductions | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
for people under-occupying their property. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
If a person had one spare room, | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
they would be deducted 14%. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
If they had two or more spare rooms, they would be deducted 25% from their housing benefit. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:38 | |
Part of my role as Bedroom Tax Project Officer | 0:17:38 | 0:17:43 | |
was to actually contact the tenants who are actually affected by bedroom tax. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:48 | |
Carol immediately got on the case | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
and her team were on hand to discuss Jennifer's situation with her. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
When I spoke to Jennifer on the telephone, she was in a three-bedroom property | 0:17:55 | 0:18:00 | |
and she wanted to move to a one-bedroom property, | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
so that she would no longer have to pay the 25% deduction of housing benefit. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:09 | |
How many people are there in your household at the moment? | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
There's just myself. How many bedrooms do you have? | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
Well, it's a three/four-bedroom... Oh, right. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
Obviously, when I initially got it, it was a family house and I had four children, | 0:18:20 | 0:18:25 | |
so now that they've all grown up and gone away and done their own thing, | 0:18:25 | 0:18:31 | |
it's just left me now, but I do understand the pressure on the housing market. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:37 | |
Jennifer was getting some much-needed advice from the housing association and wanted to find a way | 0:18:37 | 0:18:42 | |
to downsize to avoid the deduction in the housing benefit she relied on, | 0:18:42 | 0:18:47 | |
but she was also looking for a way to increase her income and get off Jobseeker's Allowance. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:53 | |
Once again, help was at hand. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
I had struggled for a long time on my own just trying to get work, | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
but it wasn't happening, | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
so one of the people that I turned to was Patricia Evans. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
She really was a great source of support for me. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
Patricia was part of the housing association team's employment section | 0:19:10 | 0:19:15 | |
that Jennifer was referred to. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
When I first met Jennifer, her main issue was that she was affected | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
by the welfare reform. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
Her housing benefit had been reduced by 25% | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
and she was out of work and needed to get back into work in the quickest time possible. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:32 | |
Two teams at Family Mosaic were now supporting Jennifer, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
but would they be able to help her keep her home or at least find her a new one in the same area? | 0:19:37 | 0:19:43 | |
As we find out later, Carol had a scheme that just might help. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:48 | |
Now, from those in need of help | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
to those who swindle the very same system to claim money to which they are not entitled. | 0:19:56 | 0:20:01 | |
Here in the UK, the Department for Work and Pensions has a safety net in place | 0:20:01 | 0:20:07 | |
to help those who are genuinely diagnosed with an illness or disability. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
You could end up with a Blue Badge to help you get around, | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
a much-needed cash injection or even home help, and that's only fair. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
But what isn't fair is when some people try to use that safety net | 0:20:19 | 0:20:24 | |
to systematically scam you and me, the taxpayer. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:29 | |
Now, only a tiny percentage of disability claimants do cheat the system, | 0:20:29 | 0:20:34 | |
but the money they claim fraudulently does add up | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
and when the Department for Work and Pensions received a tip-off that someone claiming to be disabled | 0:20:38 | 0:20:43 | |
was performing regularly on stage, they were understandably eager to find out more. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:48 | |
I mean, surely anyone with moves like that couldn't be seriously disabled. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:53 | |
The tip-off claimed this show-stopper was Mark Hawthorn. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
Fraud investigator Lisa Prince was handed the case. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
Mr Hawthorn came to my attention back in January 2011. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
I checked against our departmental records to establish first of all | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
if Mark Hawthorn was in receipt of any Disability Living Allowance benefits. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:13 | |
I established that he was in the highest rate of mobility | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
and the higher rate of care and had been since 1998. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
Mark's claims for help had seemed perfectly reasonable. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
He claimed he had been suffering a long-term illness since 1998 | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
which caused him significant pain and discomfort. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
Mr Hawthorn had stated that he suffered with nausea. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
He could only walk 50 metres in five minutes before the onset of severe discomfort. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:41 | |
He required help with his care needs, in particular dressing and undressing. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:47 | |
He had night sweats and was unable to get in and out of a chair. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:52 | |
He also suffered muscle wastage. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
Mark was receiving nearly ?145 Income Support | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
and just over ?63 Disability Living Allowance every week | 0:21:58 | 0:22:03 | |
as well as Housing and Council Tax Benefits. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
To find out if he was performing on stage, Lisa knew he would probably be promoting himself | 0:22:07 | 0:22:13 | |
on the internet. She used her authorised powers to look at social networking sites and she found | 0:22:13 | 0:22:19 | |
some interesting footage. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:21 | |
I then undertook internet searches and soon discovered that he was working under the guise | 0:22:22 | 0:22:29 | |
of Tilly and also working in a double act as part of Glitterlips. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:35 | |
It was quite apparent from what I observed on the internet search sites that his disabilities | 0:22:35 | 0:22:40 | |
appeared to be inconsistent with what he'd stated on his claim forms. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:46 | |
There appeared to be a blatant abuse of his capabilities and exaggeration of his care needs. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:52 | |
So Mark was working as a drag artist wearing high heels, big wigs | 0:22:54 | 0:23:00 | |
and throwing some serious shapes on stage. People who claim Disability are allowed to work, | 0:23:00 | 0:23:06 | |
but it was the physical exertion required to do his job that was worrying Lisa, | 0:23:06 | 0:23:12 | |
plus any earnings would affect his entitlement to the other benefits. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:17 | |
I identified a main agent that he was subcontracted to. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:22 | |
I approached the agent concerned and obtained witness statements and also ledgers | 0:23:22 | 0:23:27 | |
of payments made to Mr Hawthorn going back to 2003 | 0:23:27 | 0:23:32 | |
to 2012, where it clearly showed that he'd been paid cash over that period | 0:23:32 | 0:23:40 | |
for performances he'd undertaken both as Tilly and as Glitterlips. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
So Mark, under his various stage names, was earning money from not just one act, but two | 0:23:44 | 0:23:51 | |
and he was looking distinctly limber. For an open and shut case, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
Lisa needed to establish how fit and healthy he was now. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:59 | |
The anonymous tip-off also claimed he was a regular at a local fitness centre. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:05 | |
Time for Lisa to get her gym gear on. I undertook surveillance inside the gym, with permission. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:12 | |
I observed him over three consecutive days in January, 2012, | 0:24:12 | 0:24:17 | |
where he performed a number of activities including five minutes on a cross trainer, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:22 | |
lifting weights in excess of 85 kilos, doing arm presses, bench presses, sit-ups. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:28 | |
And also using the free weights as well. Blimey, I couldn't do that! | 0:24:28 | 0:24:34 | |
This guy's not just fit, he's Olympic standard. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:39 | |
Lisa had seen enough and decided to bring Mark Hawthorn in for questioning. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:44 | |
Mr Hawthorn was arrested at his home address. Police undertook a search and seizure on our behalf | 0:24:44 | 0:24:50 | |
where we discovered diaries and ledgers going back to 2003, | 0:24:50 | 0:24:55 | |
showing him performing and earning cash payments in respect of his acts. | 0:24:55 | 0:25:00 | |
These were damning documents. When investigators interviewed Mark, | 0:25:00 | 0:25:05 | |
he didn't deny any of the evidence, but said he still had bad days with the illness. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:11 | |
At Stafford Crown Court on 29th July, 2013, Mark Hawthorn pleaded guilty | 0:25:11 | 0:25:17 | |
to three counts of failing to declare a change of circumstances | 0:25:17 | 0:25:22 | |
and two counts of knowingly being fraudulent. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
It was time for him to face a very different kind of music. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:30 | |
When he was sentenced, we went along to see justice in action. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:35 | |
Sian Fellows was the Unit Fraud Investigator on the case. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
We're at Stafford Crown Court today. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
One of our benefit fraud investigations has been heard and sentenced. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:46 | |
In total, between 2003 and 2012, Mark Hawthorn fraudulently claimed | 0:25:46 | 0:25:52 | |
just over ?88,000. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
As he walked into court, his mobility didn't seem restricted at all. | 0:25:55 | 0:26:00 | |
You may be interested to learn that he never walked out again. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:04 | |
Mark Hawthorn has just received a six-month sentence. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:09 | |
He's gone away today to prison. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
I think that the penalty is a fair one. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:17 | |
Mr Hawthorn had an indefinite award of Disability Living Allowance | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
which could have gone on for a considerable number of years. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
For us to make that intervention to identify abuse that had gone on for a considerable time, | 0:26:25 | 0:26:32 | |
we're really pleased with the outcome and hopefully it will deter people from doing this in future. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:38 | |
It's time to leave the world of phoneys and fraudsters and turn our attention | 0:26:42 | 0:26:47 | |
to people who really need the help of the benefits system. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
After the introduction of Bedroom Tax in April, 2013, | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
the three-bedroomed house Jennifer Cardy had brought her children up in became unaffordable | 0:26:55 | 0:27:00 | |
and she urgently had to find a smaller place to live. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:05 | |
Out of work for two years, her finances were dire, and the team at her housing association | 0:27:05 | 0:27:10 | |
were on hand to help. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
I know that a lot of people might not be willing | 0:27:12 | 0:27:17 | |
to downsize, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
but for me that was not an issue. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
The issue more was that I should be able to get somewhere within the area. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:30 | |
My family grew up in the area and I have lots of links within the area. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:36 | |
And my mum, who depends on me quite a lot, was actually just up the road from me. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:42 | |
So it was important that I was available for her. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
Carol Barnes Alexander from Family Mosaic suggested that the best way forward for Jennifer would be | 0:27:46 | 0:27:52 | |
to join a home-swapping scheme. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
I told Jennifer that mutual exchange was a very good option. It's the quickest route to be rehoused. | 0:27:55 | 0:28:02 | |
Mutual exchange does make it easier to stay within an area. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
You have that choice of areas. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
Carol's team was on hand to help Jennifer start the process. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:14 | |
Let me explain about the bedroom tax and how it would affect you. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:19 | |
Obviously, at the moment, with two or more spare rooms, and you've got more than two, | 0:28:19 | 0:28:24 | |
you'll be looking at a 25% cut in your housing benefit. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:29 | |
Right. You've looked on the HomeSwapper website. Yeah. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
There's lots of places on there. You can specify. What you need to do is find somewhere ideal for you. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:40 | |
Once you do that, we can then help you arrange a mutual exchange with that partner. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:45 | |
Facing a 25% cut in her Housing Benefit, | 0:28:45 | 0:28:50 | |
Jennifer knew she couldn't stay in the house she called home. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:55 | |
But she didn't need the space. The kids had upped and moved away. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:59 | |
Taking part in a mutual exchange meant that not only could she afford to stay in the area | 0:28:59 | 0:29:06 | |
that she knew and loved, but she'd also be freeing up a property for a family that really needed it. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:13 | |
Swapping her three-bedroomed home for a smaller council property | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
would mean the Bedroom Tax that had crippled her financially would no longer be a problem. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:23 | |
Jennifer got straight on the case. I decided to go on the internet | 0:29:23 | 0:29:27 | |
and see, you know, what was available. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:31 | |
Jennifer actually registered herself. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:35 | |
She was quite pro-active in that way. She then came in to Family Mosaic offices, | 0:29:35 | 0:29:41 | |
where we helped to upload photographs on to the HomeSwapper website. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:46 | |
I'd made the decision to move and that side was coming nicely. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:51 | |
But I still needed to sort out the employment side. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:55 | |
Jennifer suspected it was her age preventing her from getting a job. | 0:29:55 | 0:30:00 | |
The Employment Officer at the housing association knows that it's a common problem. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:06 | |
It is normal for people in their 50s to perceive that it is harder | 0:30:06 | 0:30:12 | |
to find work because of their age. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
In my own opinion, I think the fact that they are that age | 0:30:15 | 0:30:20 | |
is what they bring to the workplace. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
When I initially met with Patricia and spoke with her | 0:30:23 | 0:30:28 | |
and she went through all my skills and what have you, | 0:30:29 | 0:30:33 | |
she began to encourage me. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
And from where I was coming from, the depression | 0:30:37 | 0:30:42 | |
and all the anxiety that I felt with being unemployed, she really did lift me. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:48 | |
Patricia was determined to get Jennifer back into the workplace | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
and thought that Deena Saleh, a specialist employment broker, could kickstart her prospects. | 0:30:52 | 0:31:00 | |
She's a very bright lady. I was helping her, | 0:31:00 | 0:31:05 | |
contacting her on a weekly basis, sometimes three or four times a week. Like a Jack Russell! | 0:31:05 | 0:31:11 | |
Now Jennifer had two people at the association on the case, helping her to find work. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:17 | |
They really helped me because I felt they were passionate about getting me a job. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:23 | |
Deena looked at Jennifer's work history and skills and filtered her job search to find roles | 0:31:23 | 0:31:29 | |
where Jennifer could really excel. She's very organised. I did feel that she would really do well | 0:31:29 | 0:31:36 | |
as a receptionist somewhere, dealing with people, using her organisational skills. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:44 | |
And just a few months later Deena spotted a vacancy for Jennifer that ticked all the right boxes. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:50 | |
There was one particular job that I'd seen online and I called them | 0:31:50 | 0:31:56 | |
because a job description is fine, but I really needed to know what sort of person. | 0:31:56 | 0:32:02 | |
Give me some details, you know? | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
And she did. I said to her at the time, "I've got the exact person | 0:32:05 | 0:32:10 | |
"that would be absolutely amazing for this role." | 0:32:10 | 0:32:15 | |
The job was working as a receptionist in a dentist's surgery | 0:32:15 | 0:32:19 | |
and Deena arranged for Jennifer to go in for an interview. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:23 | |
'When I walked in to this interview, | 0:32:23 | 0:32:25 | |
'em, I was nervous.' | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
So it was a case of girding yourself up and saying, "Right, I know I can do it. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:35 | |
"I've just got to let THEM know I can do it." | 0:32:35 | 0:32:40 | |
When Jennifer arrived, it was obvious she was a mature lady. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:44 | |
I was extremely grateful. Another mature lady in the practice. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
She was calm, collected, well-dressed, well-presented. She listened, | 0:32:48 | 0:32:53 | |
she asked questions, she took notes and seemed to fit all the bills that Deena said she would do. | 0:32:53 | 0:33:00 | |
The manager looked at me and said, "You've got the job." | 0:33:00 | 0:33:05 | |
And I thought, "Yes! Thank you!" | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
She'd done it. Deena and the employment team had got her back into the workplace | 0:33:09 | 0:33:16 | |
and she no longer had to rely on Jobseeker's Allowance, something she never wanted to have to claim. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:23 | |
Now I can actually look forward to going to work in the morning. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:28 | |
I can look forward to a holiday, which I haven't had for many years. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:32 | |
It's a good feeling. And, you know, the independence. I don't have to rely on anyone now. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:40 | |
I'm extremely happy that Jennifer's where she is now. She just so deserves it. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:46 | |
She's worked hard to get there, it was not an easy road, | 0:33:46 | 0:33:50 | |
but she's got there, you know. And she's working | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
and she deserves every piece of happiness that comes her way. | 0:33:54 | 0:34:01 | |
The next thing Jennifer needed to do was to sort out her housing. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:05 | |
Her three-bedroom council house was draining her financially. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
She needed affordable housing near her family and friends and the housing association was on the case, | 0:34:09 | 0:34:15 | |
helping her to find a council tenant with a smaller house or flat to swap with. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:20 | |
Jennifer had been looking at potential house swaps for months and had viewed many properties. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:27 | |
Finding a good swap wasn't easy, but finally she found a match. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
These are the documents we'll be going through with yourself and the exchange partner. OK. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:37 | |
The first two are the assignment of tenancy and the licence, which both of you sign. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:43 | |
These are documents which basically switch over the two tenancies. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:47 | |
One says, "I'll take over your tenancy, you'll take over mine." | 0:34:47 | 0:34:52 | |
The other says you'll take over responsibility for the premises. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
So just days after she got her new job, she also found a one-bedroom flat in south-east London | 0:34:56 | 0:35:02 | |
with which she fell in love. When I first viewed it, | 0:35:02 | 0:35:06 | |
I thought, "Yes!" | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
At last I can actually see myself living here now. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:14 | |
But when I actually walked in to this property, I knew it was the one. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:20 | |
I felt quite comfortable with it, so, yeah, it's worked out well. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:25 | |
Luckily, the tenants of the one-bedroom flat were in need of a bigger property | 0:35:25 | 0:35:30 | |
and Jennifer's house just fit the bill. Now both are in the right housing and, more importantly, | 0:35:30 | 0:35:36 | |
filling all the bedrooms. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:40 | |
For me, giving it up to another family | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
was very fulfilling for me. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
I felt that I was offering that to someone else | 0:35:46 | 0:35:51 | |
because I remember my experience and where I was coming from. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:55 | |
Because the lady that's now in my property has two children | 0:35:55 | 0:36:01 | |
and they were all in one room. It just brought it all back to me. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
I was really happy to let her have that place. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:09 | |
Thanks to the help of the two teams at the housing association, | 0:36:11 | 0:36:16 | |
Jennifer is in every way in a much more positive place. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:19 | |
Being able to have my independence back, not being dependent on the state, | 0:36:19 | 0:36:24 | |
I just feel like everything's come together. It's really good. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:28 | |
For someone who was used to working to pay her way, suddenly Jennifer found herself in a situation | 0:36:31 | 0:36:37 | |
she wasn't used to. She had no job and without that job, she couldn't afford to stay in the place | 0:36:37 | 0:36:43 | |
that she called home. She needed help on both fronts. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:47 | |
Luckily, there was somebody there to help her find a job that suited her and a place that felt like home. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:55 | |
Time now to return to the self-seeking world of the scrounger. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:04 | |
The fraud team at Barnet Council are investigating the case of pensioner Susan Cohen | 0:37:05 | 0:37:11 | |
who's been claiming benefits from her council property since 1989, | 0:37:11 | 0:37:16 | |
despite the fact that she owned private properties in her maiden name, Susan Dwek. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:22 | |
So she's receiving Housing Benefit for her own property and Council Tax benefit. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:28 | |
She's also receiving a rental income in the form of Housing Benefit from another tenant. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:35 | |
At this stage, are you giving her the benefit of the doubt? How does an investigation work? | 0:37:35 | 0:37:41 | |
We carried on the investigation and asked Mrs Cohen to come in for an interview, | 0:37:41 | 0:37:47 | |
which she failed to do so. So we organised to arrest her. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:51 | |
She came to the property. It was a pre-arranged meet with the council officer. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:57 | |
And she turned up. She was arrested and taken back to Colindale Police Station | 0:37:57 | 0:38:03 | |
and interviewed under caution. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
The investigators wanted answers to a number of questions, | 0:38:05 | 0:38:10 | |
but Susan Cohen would only give them one. "No comment". | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
Mrs Cohen gave a pre-prepared statement prior to the interview | 0:38:15 | 0:38:19 | |
in which she states at the start, | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
"I, Susan Cohen, have been informed of the allegations and wish to make a short written statement. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:29 | |
"I deny being dishonest or gaining any financial benefit | 0:38:29 | 0:38:33 | |
"from the properties I have purchased in my own name." She goes on to say | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
that the properties were held in trust for her daughter. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:41 | |
However, Land Registry checks show that it was clearly in her name | 0:38:41 | 0:38:46 | |
with no other names included on the Land Registry documents. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:50 | |
Susan wasn't being straight with investigators | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
and the fraud team wasted no time in taking action. | 0:38:55 | 0:39:00 | |
After the interview under caution, the Housing Benefit and Council Tax Benefit claim was reassessed, | 0:39:00 | 0:39:06 | |
resulting in an overpayment of ?56,000. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:11 | |
In addition, the DWP reassessed their figures | 0:39:11 | 0:39:15 | |
and there was an overpayment of ?36,000. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:20 | |
Susan had swindled over 92,000 quid, a staggering amount of taxpayers' cash. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:28 | |
The team was also now dealing with a potentially massive fraud case | 0:39:28 | 0:39:32 | |
in relation to her council property which had sat empty for 10 years with thousands on the waiting list. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:39 | |
If that wasn't bad enough, officers uncovered another possible fraud when they investigated | 0:39:39 | 0:39:45 | |
her rental property in Booth Road. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
The property where it was believed Susan Cohen had a tenant | 0:39:50 | 0:39:55 | |
was also visited on several occasions and this showed that the property was empty as well. | 0:39:55 | 0:40:02 | |
Hold on a minute. The house that she was renting out was empty, | 0:40:02 | 0:40:06 | |
but where was Susan's tenant who she was getting taxpayers' money to house? | 0:40:06 | 0:40:12 | |
At this point, we believed she'd been receiving benefit in respect of her tenant since 1999, | 0:40:12 | 0:40:18 | |
but in 2008 the tenant had moved out and Miss Cohen, under the name Dwek, had continued to receive benefit. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:25 | |
So Susan had been pocketing her tenant's Housing Benefit money after they moved out. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:33 | |
How long had this been going on? | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
For the period of time that the property was empty, Miss Cohen had received about ?16,500 in benefit | 0:40:36 | 0:40:43 | |
as the landlady under the name Dwek to which she wasn't entitled. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
So she had potentially stolen thousands of pounds in addition | 0:40:47 | 0:40:51 | |
and the final cost to the state was huge. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:55 | |
The total overpayment was ?108,835.31 | 0:40:55 | 0:41:00 | |
So the victims in this case weren't just taxpayers losing cash. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:07 | |
They were families losing out on a council home in Barnet when one was being used to commit fraud. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:13 | |
After a lengthy investigation, Susan Cohen was finally put on trial on the 13th November, 2012. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:21 | |
At the Crown Court, she was charged with seven counts of benefit fraud. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:26 | |
Susan Cohen attended Wood Green Crown Court and she pleaded guilty. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
Despite her early denials, Susan decided to come clean | 0:41:32 | 0:41:36 | |
and she was sentenced to eight months in prison. Barnet Council took back the council property | 0:41:36 | 0:41:42 | |
that she was supposedly living in while claiming benefits. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:46 | |
Her conviction and custodial sentence was a great result, but now they had another battle - | 0:41:46 | 0:41:53 | |
to get Susan Cohen to repay over ?108,000 that she'd stolen from the taxpayer. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:59 | |
A huge sum of money's gone the wrong way. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
Under Proceeds of Crime, there's ongoing confiscation proceedings. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:09 | |
That's yet to be resolved, but we've got a restraining order on her and hope to get all the money back. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:15 | |
I suppose more important than all of that, really, is the fact that there's a property which, | 0:42:15 | 0:42:21 | |
for many years, wasn't being used and that is now back out there being occupied. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:26 | |
Yeah, that's right. We got the property back and it's been re-let to someone in genuine need. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:33 | |
It was a fantastic result for the investigators. Barnet Council has made someone very happy | 0:42:33 | 0:42:39 | |
and eventually the fraud team hope to recover all the taxpayers' money. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:44 | |
So now Cohen's council house has been given to someone that both needs and deserves it. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:51 | |
And for her crimes she's been given a different kind of property. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:56 | |
This one comes with an eight-month lease. | 0:42:56 | 0:43:00 | |
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