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Think about it. What would you do if you had a bad run of luck? | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
The chances are you'd end up turning to government agencies for a bit of help. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:10 | |
I think the social welfare system is a real blessing. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
It shouldn't be taken for granted. It shouldn't be abused. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
My husband is disabled. Without the benefits system, we would have found things very difficult. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:21 | |
Here in the UK, millions of us need to ask for help every year | 0:00:21 | 0:00:25 | |
in the form of benefits, legal aid and health care. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
But there are some people who are out there to cheat the system | 0:00:28 | 0:00:32 | |
out of as much as they can. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
They're cheating the people who pay into the system, the general public. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:38 | |
How are these people managing to get away with this? | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
But those people who are trying to get rich from the public purse | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
are now being sniffed out by investigators | 0:00:45 | 0:00:47 | |
who want to make sure that as much money as possible | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
is available to those who need it. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
This is the world of Saints and Scroungers. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
Coming up: the scroungers that are out to beat the system. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:05 | |
A jet-setting mystic who claimed benefits despite earning pennies from heaven. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
There were payments being made in foreign currency including rupees, US dollars and euros in France. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:16 | |
And those who rightly deserve a helping hand. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
The man who found himself homeless after the break-up of his marriage. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:24 | |
I was totally devastated | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
to the point where I found it hard to cope with life. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
I just had to be on my own. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
Being the sole breadwinner in any family is a huge responsibility, | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
but at least you can take pride in the fact that you're putting food on the table | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
and a roof over your family's head. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
Imagine the feeling, then, when you know you can't provide | 0:01:45 | 0:01:49 | |
because you can't work because you're just too ill. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
For most of us, it would be hugely demoralising. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
But for a benefit cheat, it's a big opportunity. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
Meet married father-of-three Younus AlGohar. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
He's unfortunately been unemployed since 1999 due to suffering severe migraines. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:09 | |
He's been reliant on government support to help him and his family. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
The family lived in rented accommodation in Kingswood, | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
a leafy, affluent suburb 18 miles south of London | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
and he was helped out by Reigate and Banstead Borough Council. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:24 | |
Julian Ellacott is a local councillor there. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
Reigate and Banstead Borough Council is responsibility for paying a number of benefits. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
Housing benefit, council tax benefit in particular. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
And we pay those to people in need of them, | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
mainly unemployed, people on low incomes. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:45 | |
People just like Younus AlGohar. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
Younus AlGohar was claiming housing benefit and council tax benefit | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
from Reigate and Banstead Borough Council. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
He was also claiming income support from the Department for Work and Pensions. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
Sounds fair enough. But when AlGohar moved, | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
the landlord of his new property got in touch with the council | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
and an investigation kicked off. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
The case landed on the desk of one of the council's fraud investigators | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
who, due to the nature of his work, has asked to remain anonymous. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
It's common practice for the landlord of a property | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
to ring up the council and inform them that a new tenant has moved in | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
because the tenant then becomes liable for the council tax bill. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
Younus AlGohar's landlord phoned to inform the council of the tenancy conditions. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:37 | |
It transpired through that initial phone call | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
that the landlord was charging nearly double the amount Younus AlGohar was claiming. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:45 | |
What was going on? | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
The fraud team decided to take a look at AlGohar's original claims. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
As part of the investigation, I contacted the letting agents for the property in Kingswood | 0:03:53 | 0:03:58 | |
and asked them to provide a copy of the genuine tenancy agreement. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
The agreement they provided me with showed that the rented amount was 2,700 a month. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:07 | |
However, the agreement that AlGohar provided to the council | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
stated that his rent was only £1,400 per month. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
So, why was AlGohar paying nearly twice the amount of rent he was claiming? | 0:04:15 | 0:04:20 | |
The amount of extra money AlGohar was forking out to his landlord | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
didn't sit well with someone who was supposedly reliant on income support. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:30 | |
The investigators widened their search. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
It's common practice to do what's called open source intelligence searching, | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
which is basically putting a name into an internet website | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
and searching to see what comes up. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
On this occasion, I found that Younus AlGohar had quite a high profile, | 0:04:43 | 0:04:48 | |
a public presence on the internet | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
as well as his own website. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:53 | |
All of which were linking him to an organisation called the Messiah Foundation International. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
From the website, there were lots of pictures of Younus AlGohar in various situations. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:03 | |
I compared these pictures to what we already held on the benefit claim form from his passport | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
and from that I realised that they were the same person. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
Referred to online as "His Holiness", | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
and claiming to be a mystic, writer and poet, | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
AlGohar is, in fact, the chief executive of The Messiah Foundation, | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
whose website claims to "promote divine love" | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
and "the reduction of hatred", all of which sounds marvellous. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:30 | |
The investigator carried on searching | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
and discovered AlGohar had previously claimed housing benefit | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
for a house just five miles away in Coulsdon. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
From looking at the claim paperwork for Coulsdon, I discovered a pattern with what happened in Kingswood. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:44 | |
There were discrepancies in the rental amounts in the tenancy conditions | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
and the agreement that had been provided to the council. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
So, another claim. This time the landlord charged AlGohar £2,800 per month | 0:05:50 | 0:05:55 | |
and again he was only claiming just over half the amount. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
So where was all the extra cash coming from? | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
It appeared from the information we'd got so far | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
that Younus AlGohar was renting quite expensive properties, | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
quite luxurious properties, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
and then declaring to the council that the rent was significantly lower | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
than what he was actually paying. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
So that's two properties claimed for in the same way. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
A pattern was definitely emerging, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
but so far, it made no sense. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
Investigators kept digging and found that another property had been claimed for in much the same way | 0:06:28 | 0:06:33 | |
in the nearby borough of Bromley. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
The property was in the town of Keston, 15 miles away. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
The investigation was getting even wider. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
It is important for councils to work together, | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
mainly because people can obviously move around from one area to another | 0:06:46 | 0:06:51 | |
and therefore they will claim benefits from different councils | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
over a period of time. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
So the next stage was to contact them | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
to verify that their claim was genuine as well. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
When I got in touch with my counterpart at the London Borough of Bromley, | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
they established that the same pattern had been followed with that claim as well. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
Yet another property rented in the same way. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
Younus AlGohar was claiming £1,600 per calendar month | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
but was actually paying £2,850. The sums just weren't adding up. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:25 | |
It looked like there were three fraudulent claims in two boroughs. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
With one objective - to get the council to pay half your rent | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
so you can live in a house you would never normally be able to afford. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
Something had to be done to find out where all this cash was coming from. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
He'd told the council and the DWP he wasn't working. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
If there was something dodgy going on, | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
the council weren't going to let it slide. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
We'll find out later if they get the proof they need. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
The police undertook a search of the property, seizing numerous bits of documents, | 0:07:55 | 0:07:59 | |
taking photos as they went. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
Now it's farewell to the scroungers that are trying to fleece the system | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
and let's say hello to those who we call our saints. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
The people who do everything to make sure that those in need of help | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
who are too proud or simply don't know how to help themselves, | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
can get what they deserve. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
In England alone, it's estimated | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
that there are around 2,000 people sleeping rough. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
There are any number of reasons why people become homeless. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
But I don't know about you, I'd always assumed that the process of becoming homeless | 0:08:38 | 0:08:43 | |
would take weeks or months. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
Is it possible that you could wake up in the morning | 0:08:45 | 0:08:49 | |
without any idea that you'd be homeless the same night? | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
Meet Simon Griffin. In 2011, he left his home and found himself with nowhere to live. | 0:08:55 | 0:09:02 | |
Simon had been happily married for five years. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
He had a young daughter, a nice home and a rewarding job as a technical engineer. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:09 | |
He was a man who had everything he'd always wanted, | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
but one night, Simon's world was turned upside-down | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
when he and his wife split. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
I was shocked at the time, and I didn't think it was going to be for ever. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:24 | |
I thought it would be short term. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
Even though it was tough, Simon took the decision to leave the family home. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:31 | |
I didn't want my daughter to see us arguing, falling out. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:36 | |
I don't believe that's right. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
So I left the family house | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
to let the heat die down, which I thought it would. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:45 | |
Initially, Simon stayed with family and friends, | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
but when it became clear that the break-up was permanent, | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
things went from bad to worse. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
When it really had sunk in that there was no relationship there no longer, | 0:09:54 | 0:09:59 | |
I was totally devastated, | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
to the point where I found it hard to cope with life, | 0:10:02 | 0:10:07 | |
to cope with people. I just had to be on my own in my own little world. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:13 | |
It was... It was the start of a breakdown for me. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:17 | |
With his mental and emotional state deteriorating, | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
Simon began spending more and more time alone in his car. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
When I was in my car, I used to just start processing things in my head. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:31 | |
And that used to get me more and more depressed. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
Simon struggled to keep up with the 12-hour shifts he was working as an engineer, | 0:10:36 | 0:10:41 | |
and took a part-time job as a cleaner instead. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
Even this, though, proved too much for him | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
and his attendance at work was low. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
Simon was suffering from depression. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
He stopped taking care of himself. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
And with no plan for the future, | 0:10:55 | 0:10:56 | |
the days spent in his car drifted into weeks | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
as he withdrew further and further away from the outside world. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
I've come down to the place where Simon ended up | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
to find out more about this very difficult time in his life. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
-Hi, Simon. -Hi, Matt. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
-So this is a spot of particular significance for you? -Yes. -Why? | 0:11:12 | 0:11:17 | |
I spent a lot of time over there, sleeping in my car, when times were bad. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:22 | |
Was that for the day or for the night, or..? | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
-About two months. -For the whole two months. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
-Yeah. -What's that like? | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
It's awful. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
Really low. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:33 | |
Bad as things can get. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
What was it that brought you to that situation? | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
I was poorly, depressed. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
Life wasn't worth living. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
I was just at an all-time low. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
What time of year was it? | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
It was March into April time. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
It was a bad winter. It was cold, windy. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
Not nice at all. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:55 | |
Did you feel like, at least inside the car, | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
you could control everything? | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
-Is that part of it? -Yeah. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
It's cos I didn't have to see anyone. I didn't have to answer to anyone. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:07 | |
What was happening to work during this time? | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
Presumably you were still employed. You hadn't left work. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
I was employed, but I was taking a lot of sick days | 0:12:13 | 0:12:19 | |
because I was just not up to it. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
Simon was suffering from clinical depression, | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
but he just didn't realise it. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
I kept churning through past memories. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
My wife, my daughter. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
How things are not going to be the same no more. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
The car had now broken down, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
and his depression meant he only left it | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
when he was desperate for food. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
He couldn't even bring himself to visit his daughter. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
The police regularly patrolled the area where Simon was parked | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
and would briefly check to see he was OK. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
One night, though, the officer on duty took more time than usual | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
and asked Simon how he'd ended up there. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
As Simon began to open up, | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
it became clear he had nowhere else to go | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
and really needed help. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
When did you become homeless? | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
I didn't really see it as homeless. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
I'd got my own car and a sort of roof over my head. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
But I needed a lot of help. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
-A lot of help. -So what did he do for you in the first instance? | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
He was ringing different authorities, trying to get me accommodation. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:31 | |
They were coming back negative. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:33 | |
He didn't give up! He kept going, he did! | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
The very next day, the police officer who'd found Simon, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
together with the local council, | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
arranged an appointment for him at the Canaan Trust, | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
a charity that aims to give homeless people they help they need to get back on their feet. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:49 | |
It seemed like just the place Simon needed. But would they be able to take him in? | 0:13:49 | 0:13:55 | |
It was very clear that he was extremely depressed. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
He'd withdrawn from all the support that was around him. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:01 | |
So it was clear that, you know, | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
somebody had to offer him some help and support to bring him forwards. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:08 | |
Having been at rock bottom for so long, | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
could this be the route to recovery that Simon really needed? | 0:14:11 | 0:14:16 | |
I was really nervous. Really, I was shaking at the time | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
I went in for my interview. Two guys interviewed me. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
Seeing the state that Simon was in, | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
the support workers at the trust had to make a very quick decision. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:30 | |
If they rejected him, he was in danger of slipping even further into the grip of his depression. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:36 | |
And with no alternative, he'd have to go back to sleeping in his car. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
They popped out for about five minutes or so. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
And they came back in and said they'd got a room for me. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
It was great news for Simon. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
That very same day, he was welcomed into one of the three hostels | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
that Canaan Trust runs. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:55 | |
Russell Olding remembers their very first meeting. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
When Simon walked through the door, physically how did he look? | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
Um, well, not well. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
He was obviously very distressed. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
And I don't think it was a pleasant experience for him to come through that door. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
I think it took a lot of courage for him to get there. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
What were Simon's immediate needs? | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
The immediate need was to get him a roof over his head. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
Which we did quite quickly. Then beyond that, | 0:15:16 | 0:15:20 | |
it was just trying to get him to focus on | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
what he had to look forward to rather than what he'd lost. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:29 | |
What other problems were associated? He was clearly ill. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
Yes. We got him registered with a GP and we looked to getting him assessed for his depression. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:40 | |
And getting medication. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
The doctor confirmed that Simon was clinically depressed | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
and prescribed him a course of medication to help him get better. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
Russell was then able to help Simon tackle the more practical issues | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
like his financial situation. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
Simon had taken on a part-time job, | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
but unfortunately, because he was so depressed, he wasn't really turning up to that. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:02 | |
He'd been off more than he'd been in. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
The next stage was to talk to his employer | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
and sort things out there. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:08 | |
Unfortunately, he wasn't in a fit state to work. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
Unable to work because of his depression, | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
Simon was entitled to employment and support allowance | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
which helped with his immediate financial needs. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
The next step was to get Simon integrating with others | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
and dealing with the issues that had led to him becoming depressed in the first place. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:28 | |
We started to chat to him about what he liked doing | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
and about the circumstances that had led him to us. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
We found that Simon was quite quick to open up about | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
what he felt had caused the problems | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
and how he was dealing with that. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
It was kind of a relief. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:44 | |
It's like sharing your problem. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
And somebody who's there to say, "That problem ain't really that big. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:52 | |
"And if we did this, and if we looked at it from that way, | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
"your problem ain't so big." | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
Simon's issues were now being dealt with in a much more controlled environment. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:02 | |
And with his benefits relieving the immediate financial burden, | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
he was now ready to take the next step | 0:17:05 | 0:17:07 | |
to get him to a stage where he could feel ready | 0:17:07 | 0:17:09 | |
to return to the workplace once again. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
He asked if he could study Maths and English at the Trust's college. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
And Russell set it up for him. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
Simon also threw himself into other more practical courses | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
like cookery and DIY, so he was ready for living in the outside world all by himself. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:29 | |
How many months after he was first brought in here | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
did you feel he was ready to move on? | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
It was coming up to the six-month mark when we felt he was ready to get a place of his own. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:43 | |
The obvious next step for him was to be able to have his daughter stay with him. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:48 | |
We couldn't see him progressing any further without that access. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
And it's not possible in a place like this. This isn't where you'd want to bring a young child. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:58 | |
So he had to move out really so that that could form | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
-part of his progress and his healing, if you like. -Yeah. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
So we got in touch with the council and said, "We feel this guy is ready to move on | 0:18:05 | 0:18:10 | |
"and get his own tenancy." | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
With the help of the Trust and the right benefits in place, | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
Simon was able to move into a property of his own | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
and live independently in a flat provided by the council. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
Russell and the other staff at the hostel, they played a massive part in getting me where I am today. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:34 | |
In me getting my flat, to me building my future. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
Simon now lives independently. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
He volunteers part-time for a local charity | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
and he hopes to be off employment and support allowance | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
and earning a wage again very soon. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
But most importantly, he's been able to get back together with his daughter. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:54 | |
To have my daughter back in my life is priceless. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
I can have her here whenever I want, | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
we've decorated it for us | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
and I'm really happy, because at one time, | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
I was really doubting whether it was actually going to happen again. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
Whether I could actually have a relationship with my daughter again. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:15 | |
Simon thought his life as a family man was all mapped out | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
and that he'd be with his daughter and his wife | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
until their last days together. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
In the blink of an eye, that changed, | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
and although he tried to cope with it by himself, he couldn't. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
He needed help from this place. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
They've helped him realise that although many things have changed, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
one thing hasn't. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:38 | |
He's still a devoted dad. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:40 | |
Time now to return to the seedy and greedy world of our money-hungry scroungers. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:52 | |
Spiritualist leader Younus AlGohar had been unable to work since 1999, | 0:19:55 | 0:20:00 | |
due to migraines, and living on benefits. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
Suspected of living in luxurious properties in Surrey and Kent | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
with you and I, the taxpayer, picking up half the tab, | 0:20:08 | 0:20:12 | |
"His Holiness" was being investigated by the local council. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
Here at Reigate and Banstead, we have a zero tolerance approach to fraud. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
We investigate and pursue each case that comes up. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
And we recover fairly substantial amounts of money. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
Having spotted a pattern in the fraud, | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
investigators had to get to the bottom of how Younus AlGohar | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
was affording such high rents and deposits. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
On paper, he was living on benefits, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
but there seemed to be much more money floating around. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
So where was it coming from? | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
From looking at the claim paperwork, | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
I was able to look into Younus AlGohar's finances. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
I noted that he'd declared he held two bank accounts | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
which hadn't been declared for benefit purposes. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
These hidden accounts suggested that AlGohar wasn't leading the modest lifestyle of a spiritual leader | 0:20:55 | 0:21:02 | |
living on benefits. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
There were a lot of payments being made especially to flight companies | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
and hotels abroad, as well as payments in foreign currency. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
There were also a lot of debits coming in | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
which suggested there was some form of unearned income going into the account as well. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:19 | |
But where was all the money coming from? | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
It was coming in and going out. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
And he seemed to be a bit of an international traveller | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
with a taste for the high life. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
The overseas payments on the bank statements showed payments being made in foreign currency | 0:21:31 | 0:21:35 | |
including rupees, American dollars and euros over in France as well. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:40 | |
As well as payments being made, there were in-flight payments for duty free and to airways. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:48 | |
With undeclared bank accounts and large payments being made and received, | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
the investigator got on the phone to the Department for Work and Pensions | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
who'd been paying Younus AlGohar income support for over four years | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
to the tune of £54,682 to which he was almost certainly not entitled. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:07 | |
The two organisations combined forces. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
With the help of the investigator's digging, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
Reigate and Bromley Council and the DWP | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
now had some very difficult questions for AlGohar to answer. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
With the help of Surrey police, it was time for them to pay him a visit | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
to gather some hard evidence on the source of his undisclosed income | 0:22:24 | 0:22:29 | |
and to find out whether he genuinely was living the kind of lifestyle | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
that you'd expect from someone dependent on benefits. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
At 7.00am on a morning in November 2011, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
the team struck. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:44 | |
The time of the raid was early one morning. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
Younus AlGohar was not actually present at the property, | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
however, the operation continued regardless. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
A lot of documents were found in the property and were seized. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
They were documents relating to his current or previous tenancies that he held, | 0:23:00 | 0:23:05 | |
in relation to his income and also the claims he'd made for benefits | 0:23:05 | 0:23:10 | |
to put up a picture of his finances and his lifestyle. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
These documents provided the proof that AlGohar had made false claims | 0:23:15 | 0:23:20 | |
relating to his rental agreements and earnings. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
Investigators were also surprised by the huge haul of technical hardware, | 0:23:22 | 0:23:27 | |
including mobile phones, laptops and large-screen TVs found at the property. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:34 | |
There's no strict rules as to what kind of possessions a person can have | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
when they're claiming benefits. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:41 | |
There's nothing to stop a claimant have large TVs and lots of equipment. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
However, it depends how those items have been funded | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
which may raise alarm bells. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
AlGohar wasn't at home for the raid, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:53 | |
but later on handed himself in to a local police station | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
where he was interviewed under caution. | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
Younus AlGohar was presented with the evidence that had been obtained | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
during the investigation and the subsequent search of his property. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:10 | |
He was asked to comment on all the pieces of evidence that were put before him. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
In spite all the evidence of three false housing benefit claims, | 0:24:13 | 0:24:18 | |
and defrauding the DWP, | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
AlGohar remained tight-lipped. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
At the start of the interview, Younus AlGohar confirmed his name and identity details. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:29 | |
But gave a "no comment" interview when the questions and evidence were put before him. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
But there was one thing that came across very clearly from "His Holiness". | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
Despite giving a "no comment" interview, | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
Younus AlGohar came across as polite and kind during the interview. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:44 | |
With undeclared bank accounts and large sums of money | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
being credited and debited, | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
the investigators believed that Younus AlGohar was a man who was not entitled to benefits. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:55 | |
And the case was passed on to the decision makers. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
The decision makers are trained benefit entitlement assessors | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
within an authority such as the council or the Department of Work and Pensions | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
who review claim paperwork and evidence | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
and then use this to decide whether a claimant is entitled to benefits or not. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
DWP decision makers made the initial decision and decided AlGohar was not entitled to income support | 0:25:11 | 0:25:17 | |
which created an overpayment of £54,682. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
The decision maker at Reigate Council then reviewed the evidence | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
and also decided that Younus AlGohar was not entitled to his housing benefit or council tax benefit | 0:25:25 | 0:25:30 | |
for the entirety of his claim. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
This created an overpayment of £3,498 housing benefit | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
and £1,058 council tax benefit. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
But it didn't stop there. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
There was the property in Keston to take into account, too. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
The case then passed to the decision maker at London Borough of Bromley | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
who also decided that AlGohar was not entitled to his housing benefit for the entirety of his claim. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:54 | |
This created an overpayment of £16,100. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
They also removed his entitlement to council tax benefit | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
creating an additional overpayment of £2,295. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
That's a staggering £77,646 fleeced from the taxpayer by "His Holiness" | 0:26:03 | 0:26:11 | |
who gallivanted around the globe staying in luxurious hotels | 0:26:11 | 0:26:15 | |
and treating himself to duty free. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
AlGohar was taken to court facing 12 charges of dishonesty | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
under the Social Security Administration Act of 1992. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
But he pleaded not guilty, despite the overwhelming evidence against him. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:32 | |
Two months later, he changed his mind. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
At the Plea and Case Management hearing in June 2013, | 0:26:35 | 0:26:39 | |
Younus AlGohar changed his plea and pleaded guilty to 11 of the 12 charges. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:44 | |
AlGohar was found not guilty of the 12th charge against him. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
At a sentencing hearing, his QC argued against a prison sentence | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
due to his work with The Messiah Foundation International | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
where he was an important figure in the fight against extremism. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
Younus AlGohar was not sentenced to prison. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
However, he was handed three concurrent imprisonment sentences | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
which were suspended for 18 months. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
The longest of which has been 36 weeks. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
Perhaps he was able to walk from the court a free man | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
because in-between pleading guilty and the sentencing hearing, | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
although not implicated in any way in his crime, | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
The Messiah Foundation International dug deep and repaid the £75,585 overpayment in full. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:26 | |
That really is divine intervention! | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
And the money is now back in the public purse. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:31 | |
AlGohar was ordered to do 240 hours of community service | 0:27:31 | 0:27:36 | |
and pay costs of £6,000. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
To the members of The Messiah Foundation, | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
Younus AlGohar was someone who, for three years, | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
had chosen to abstain from all but the basic necessities of life. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:50 | |
Unfortunately, that didn't include housing and council tax benefits and income support. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:57 | |
On the plus side, he is now once again working in the community. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
But this time, it's because the court has ordered him to! | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 |