When TV Goes to War


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War has been a staple of British television since...well, since the war.

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It's always made news, of course, but it's also given us some of our most iconic dramas.

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So this is Colditz.

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It's inspired some of our funniest sitcoms,

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and it's been a battleground for the big beasts of television drama.

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There is no excuse for the murder and mayhem and slaughter

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of young people in the First World War.

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But some wars have to be fought,

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and my play said, "This is one and this is why."

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Tonight we look at how British telly has gone to war.

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What explains our fascination with the Third Reich?

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We were the good guys,

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and the other side were the bad guys, and that makes us all feel much, much better.

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What's it like to see your soldiering remade for television?

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They did capture the spirit and the immediacy of the time.

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And what's the dividing line between television drama and historical fact?

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I think the central problem is that the needs of the TV industry

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are fundamentally incompatible with good history.

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From the trenches of the Somme to the battle for Basra, this is what happens when TV goes to war.

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It looks like it could be the beginning of the much promised shock and awe campaign.

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'War and television have always had an often explosive relationship.'

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I counted them all out...

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'On the one hand, war offers many of the things the television writer needs.'

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There's obviously great drama there,

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great stories to be told, great stories of heroism and bravery,

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great stories of cruelty, great stories of anguish and pain.

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It's got suspense, it's got conflict, it's got action,

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but I think more than that, it's part of the narrative we tell ourselves.

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After all, Britain, in a sense, sees itself as a warrior nation.

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But if war has what television drama needs, television drama still wants more.

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For example, you have to have the arc of character.

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There has to be a sort of moral metamorphosis,

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the coward is redeemed and the cynic is reduced to tears.

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I mean, all of these things happening

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under the pressure of the moment.

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Now, those are certain formulae which are almost unbreakable

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in the dramatic reproduction. They've got nothing to do with history at all.

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The ambivalent relationship was evident from the start.

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The birth of television was directly linked to the war effort.

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Public broadcast television in this country, the first in the world, started in 1936,

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just three years short of the war.

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But the race to invent television and get the technology out and about

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and the service started was sort of accelerated

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because the development of television also aided the development of radar.

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People knew the war was coming, and they knew how important radar would be during the war,

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so that's one of the reasons why so much money and effort was put into rushing television into operation.

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But when war broke out, television was among the first casualties, taken off air in case its signals

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led German bombers to the heart of London.

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In times of war, it seemed TV couldn't entirely be trusted.

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The plug was pulled just before

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the outbreak of war in 1939, and it didn't come back on air until June 1946,

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so people would have followed the progress of the war in as much as they were able to,

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because there was heavy censorship, they would have followed it

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on newsreels usually, cinema newsreels, or of course on the radio.

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Television had a problem.

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World War II had been nothing if not cinematic.

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The big stories belonged on the big screen.

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Some very good films

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were made in the 1950s about the Second World War,

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partly because all the people who starred in the films,

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the likes of Richard Todd and Jack Hawkins, they had all been in the war, and it showed.

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When you made a movie like The Cruel Sea, the ships were real, the people were real and so on.

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So although those '50s films were absurdly nationalistic,

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The Dambusters, Reach For The Sky and the rest of it,

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they did bring something real to the party.

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So how could television capture the reality of war

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on a small budget and a small screen?

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It's very difficult for TV to depict war

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in all its horror in any really realistic way

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unless you're Steven Spielberg with Band Of Brothers.

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To do it with a smaller budget is very, very hard.

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If you're going to show war on TV,

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you have to do it in a different way.

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You have to...

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You have to be more intimate.

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Rudolph Cartier is the great Austrian director who worked for the BBC

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in the '50s and '60s, an incredible talent, and one of his most famous works is Stalingrad in 1963,

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which looks at the terrible siege.

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It takes the epic story and concentrates on just a handful of characters to see

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the terrible events through their eyes.

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Sorry, mate, but this is Stalingrad.

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'You're not relying on an epic scale, the like of which we see in the cinema.'

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You're relying on just great acting,

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very clever directing and good writing, which are, of course, the holy trinity of television.

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A thousand fires are burning outside.

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They stink of smouldering bones and burning flesh.

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Every square yard of this land is covered with the corpses of our soldiers...

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'It's a harrowing play, it's very, very well done, even though it's shot on a shoestring.'

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So when you see an invading tank, you don't actually see the tank.

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What you see is the tank driver's point of view

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from the slit as he drives into the war zones.

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He uses tricks to get over the scope.

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Now, I think, that wouldn't work.

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We demand to see on screen the whole tapestry.

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Television would struggle with the spectacle of war till Spielberg,

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but the other response to army life was simply to laugh.

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Sitcom would emerge as one of the new medium's most popular genres.

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Here, television could compete with cinema

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in a way that was both affordable and allowable.

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I think it's permissible to make jokes about the Second World War,

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the kind of jokes you see John Cleese doing in Fawlty Towers,

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marching around that hotel, or the kind of humour

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'that Spike Milligan mimed through his career.'

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Fall out! No, no...

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'Because the Second World War'

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produced a lot of humour of its own.

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Even Churchill talked about Hitler as Herr Schicklgruber, didn't he?

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You know, that song about Hitler only having one ball, that didn't start in the 1970s playgrounds.

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On your feet, at the double!

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You're in the army now!

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Having defeated an enemy famous for having absolutely no sense of humour,

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what better and more economical way for television to enjoy our victory?

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The Army Game is about national service,

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and it's about a group of recruits who, in a slightly kind of

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Bilko-ish way, are all brought together,

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'and they're all different character types.

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'None of them, I think, would actually be suitable for combat.'

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Now, I want this place spick, span and spotless, understand?

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'The Army Game established the ground rules for the war-based sitcom.

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'It should keep its distance from any actual fighting

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'and, being British, it should be more about class than war.'

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The army does lend itself to comedy,

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because it's got a natural structure and hierarchy,

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and where you have a hierarchy,

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you have a class system and conflict, and where you have conflict within that, you have comedy, I think.

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I say there, you men!

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Hello, it's a boy scout!

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'People are meeting people that they haven't met before,

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'and that's when you start to get the stereotype characteristics,'

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so you had the grunts, the soldiers,

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against the sergeant major and the upper orders.

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So there was a definite divide, and that was the same in Private's Progress in the cinema

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and the first of the Carry On films.

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It's because William Hartnell is in this film

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that he gets cast as the leading man of Carry On Sergeant, the first of the Carry On films,

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so actually the whole of the Carry On humour really is rooted in the barrack room.

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Is that so?

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'Television was at ease with the nuances of army life, but by now,

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'Britain had a new enemy, and television writers a new challenge.'

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Here was a war whose outcome was far from certain,

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which hadn't actually been declared, but which seemed no laughing matter.

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Western intelligence started to focus on the Soviet Union as a threat

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primarily after the Second World War, really.

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They were certainly our main targets

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during the '60s, the '70s and on into the '80s.

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There were moments of sort of bomb hysteria, which were extremely strong.

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Obviously, at the time of the Cuban missile crisis, we didn't know

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whether the world was going to cease to exist in a few days' time.

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'Having struggled to portray a war it had missed,

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'how could television depict a war that hadn't yet happened?

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'The answer was all too convincingly.'

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9:16am, a single megaton nuclear missile overshoots Manston Airfield in Kent

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and airbursts six miles from this position.

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-Duck!

-Aaaah!

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Peter Watkins' The War Game was about a nuclear war, you know, in Britain, the effect of nuclear war,

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and of course it was an absolutely terrifying film, even if you see it today.

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SCREAMING

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12 seconds later, the shock front arrives.

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'With its voiceover, vox pops and shaky camera,

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'The War Game blurred the line between documentary and drama.

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'It created a powerful new weapon for television to go to war.'

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And it must have resonated perhaps even more in the '60s, because people watching it in the '60s,

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many of them would remember the Blitz, they would have remembered the V1s and V2s,

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so what you had was this sort of terror compounded to the nth degree.

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People, if they had felt powerless in the Blitz,

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they would have felt completely powerless, of course, in The War Game.

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'Its very success presented BBC with a problem.

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'Having made a masterpiece, could it actually be shown?'

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I did not think the BBC could take the responsibility

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for the possible effect on, for instance,

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the old, the lonely, the mentally disturbed

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watching the film in the privacy of their homes.

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'Scheduled for 20th anniversary of Hiroshima, The War Game wouldn't be broadcast for another 20 years.

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'Drama, documentary or both, it summed up the difficulties of putting war on the telly,

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'because it wasn't just the graphic images, it was the political subtext.'

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This...is nuclear war.

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'It was to do with banning the bomb,'

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it was to do with unilateral disarmament, but it was also

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a hidden indictment of the government, about what were they doing to protect

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the people of Britain in the case of a nuclear war?

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And the answer is, there's not a lot probably that could be done, and that was a very, very stark message.

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You know, really it was the endgame.

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If the realities of nuclear war were unbroadcastable, television retreated into a world of fantasy.

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For the rest of the decade, we got a kind of Cold War light

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as TV threw itself into the '60s spy boom.

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Well, obviously, spying was the Great Game,

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and again something of huge fascination

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because of its dramatic potential to television makers.

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Here was an exciting world of gadgets and glamour.

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No need for expensive battle scenes or even factual accuracy.

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No-one knew what the facts were in this silent war.

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Until quite recently, there was almost no hard facts available,

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particularly about British intelligence.

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It wasn't really until, I suppose, the kind of late '80s that we started talking about things.

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So the world of spying has been open for the imagination of writers

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and television makers to fill up with what they liked.

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Yeah, there was The Champions, there was any number of shows at that time.

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Even Thunderbirds tapped into that Cold War thing.

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Yeah, Man From UNCLE, all those shows.

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SPECTRE, SMERSH, all those shadowy organisations, that was all about the Cold War.

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I used to love The Champions.

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Alexandra Bastedo in front of that fountain.

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They were agents working for this organisation called Nemesis,

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based in Geneva in Switzerland.

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'Our enemies varied. They were sometimes the Chinese, they were the Russians.

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'They could be anybody at that time.'

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Commence phase one now.

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Of course, because of political correctness,

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you can't make anybody a villain these days, because we're friendly with everybody,

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or at least maybe we are, maybe it's superficial, I don't know.

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All of those ITC series

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that start in the late '60s are intimately connected with the Cold War.

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In a way, they're television's answer to James Bond.

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In a few minutes, the world's two greatest powers are going to wipe themselves out.

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I laugh when I think of people doing lectures on these series, or seminars, because for us

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it was just work, and they were fun and, "He went that way,"

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'and waving guns around.'

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'I think they got everything wrong'

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if what you looking for is any kind of

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relation to reality, but what they were trying to do is entertain.

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The missiles have been launched!

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We've got to find the destruct switch!

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Well, at the time, one thought of all those series, Department S,

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The Avengers, as being lightweight, but in fact, erm...I mean, in real life,

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there was the possibility of problems with the Chinese and certainly the Russians.

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It's OK, Sharon, I've found it!

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My mother always said, you'll be very lucky if, in your lifetime, there isn't a Third World War.

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Richard... It's all right!

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The Cold War had its attractions, but along with the agents of international communism,

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one old enemy simply refused to go away.

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The further from the war we got, the more powerful he seemed to become,

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at least in television's imagination.

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Kommen Sie hier, Fraulein!

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The fascination, more with the Second World War than any other war,

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is because it represented a moment of decisive moral choice,

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and moral choice is the basic element in all human drama.

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Most of the time with most wars, we're not sure

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whether they were a good thing or not.

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What is almost unique about the Second World War is we're

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pretty sure it was the good war.

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We were the good guys and the other side were the bad guys.

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And that makes us feel much better than it does about Afghanistan

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or Iraq or Korea or whatever you'd like to name.

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British troops were in action in the '70s

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but often against British citizens. And with the country in apparent decline,

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it left us yearning for a time when things seemed more black and white.

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As the war films of the '50s found a new home

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on the television of the '70s,

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television found a new way of delivering

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what its audience needed - escapism.

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Prison is fantastic for drama,

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because it throws together guys in a strange and unreal situation,

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but they have to rub along together and if it's a prison situation

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they're maybe thinking of getting out,

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so that's immediately fascinating.

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Assuming that we can get through that window...

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The appeal of Colditz I think was the outwitting

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of the German prison guards.

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The plucky British, the very brave British,

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but also the ingenious British, and somehow the artisanal British.

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There you are with a coal shovel, you're digging yourself

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out of the Stalag. In other words, Britain's grit and determination

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and just practical common sense. You know, you do it with a tea-spoon.

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So there was all that, but put it all together

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with German officers who always look so horrendously scary on TV,

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then you've got something special.

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Of course, the break-out star of Colditz wasn't a Brit,

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it was Major Horst Mohn - 1970s television's nastiest Nazi.

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So this is Colditz.

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They felt at the time that Colditz in the first series,

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in a sense, was too reasonable.

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Everybody was reasonable,

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everybody understood everybody else's position,

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everybody behaved as well as they could under the circumstances.

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It needed something, someone antagonistic.

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The attitude of Mohn was "Give me trouble and I will redefine

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"the word 'trouble' for you in a way you cannot begin to imagine,"

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May I see?

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If you're dressed in that uniform

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and striding about in jackboots, yes, there's an instant cliche

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that's available to you, this man is going to say,

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"Ve have vays of making you talk" and, "For you ze var is over,"

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so to try and produce something that's different,

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it's not the easiest trick in the world, but with Mohn, it worked.

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Bad luck, Mr Carter.

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The producer said, "We're going to arrange a viewing

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"of some film at the Imperial War Museum,"

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and I chose to have a look at the training of the youth movement,

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the complete cliche - golden haired, fit, strong, athletic, and social.

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Suddenly you understood, because you could see they acquired

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a notion of invincibility somewhere along the way.

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-Sit down.

-Thank you, sir.

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There's one line I always remember,

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when the Kommandant, played by Bernard Hepton, says to Mohn,

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"You have actually met the Fuhrer?"

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-And he says...

-He's a great man, sir.

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He's a wonderful man.

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And it kind of makes the hair stand up on the back of your neck

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because the whole concept of what, if you like, the collective

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German psyche was about, is sort of embodied in that.

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I hope you won't entertain any thoughts of escape from here,

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following in your father's footsteps.

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Because I can assure you, escape from Colditz is impossible!

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LAUGHTER

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Colditz created a new TV archetype that would be copied and parodied,

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crucially, it was a world where Britain was once more

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the underdog, and that struck a chord.

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I think Britain was suffering from a tremendous inferiority complex

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vis a vis Germany in industrial terms and technology terms and so forth.

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The German economy was speeding ahead

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and we were left badly in its wake.

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And there the attitude really was very much one of trying to emphasise that we won the war

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and how ghastly the Germans were.

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Here is your prison number. And the address to which letters should be sent.

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LAUGHTER

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For '70s television, the war was never over.

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We'd try not to mention it, but we just couldn't help ourselves!

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It's the little people, isn't it,

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when Hitler had the whole of Europe in his pocket,

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there was only one country that stood against him,

0:20:020:20:04

and I think we are still proud of that.

0:20:040:20:07

# Who do you think you are kidding, Mr Hitler? #

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But the definitive response wasn't dramatic, it was comedic.

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Our finest hour became one of sitcom's funniest 30 minutes.

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Dad's Army is one of those series that has

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worked its way into the back of everyone's head.

0:20:230:20:26

It wouldn't surprise me if they put "Don't tell him, Pike,"

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into the British Citizenship test.

0:20:290:20:31

It's the warmth of the characters that's the crucial element.

0:20:360:20:40

You empathise and you like them.

0:20:400:20:42

Every character in that show is funny and different.

0:20:420:20:46

The moment I thought of writing Dad's Army was on the train

0:20:460:20:51

and I thought, "I know what I'll do, I'll write a pilot."

0:20:510:20:56

And I sat down when I got home and thought, "What do I know about?"

0:20:560:21:03

I thought, I was in the Home Guard, it was tucked away in my brain

0:21:030:21:07

and hadn't come out for years.

0:21:070:21:10

I went to the library, Kensington Library,

0:21:100:21:13

and I said to the girl there, the librarian,

0:21:130:21:16

"Have you got any books on the Home Guard?"

0:21:160:21:20

And she said, "What's that, then?"

0:21:200:21:23

The Home Guard had been totally forgotten!

0:21:230:21:26

# Run rabbit, run rabbit, run, run, run! #

0:21:260:21:31

So familiar is the show today, it's hard to think of it as edgy.

0:21:310:21:37

Yet the very idea provoked a flurry of memos.

0:21:370:21:40

There was some anxiety about whether or not sending up

0:21:400:21:43

the Home Guard was something the BBC should be doing.

0:21:430:21:47

There was a faint nervousness.

0:21:470:21:51

I mean, having worked at the BBC for 40 years,

0:21:510:21:55

there's always a faint nervousness about everything.

0:21:550:21:58

And because of these anxieties a prologue was appended to

0:21:580:22:03

the beginning of the first episode, and all the characters

0:22:030:22:07

are sitting there, but they're made up to look old.

0:22:070:22:10

This is set in the late '60s, this is set in the middle of Harold Wilson's

0:22:100:22:14

"I'm Backing Britain" campaign,

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and Captain Mainwaring is giving this speech

0:22:160:22:20

about how maybe some people didn't

0:22:200:22:23

take the Home Guard very seriously, but he has always backed Britain.

0:22:230:22:27

I got into the habit of it in 1940, but then we all backed Britain.

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And what's odd about it is that that means the whole of Dad's Army is a flashback!

0:22:340:22:39

I want maximum security, you understand? Maximum security.

0:22:390:22:43

Having established its patriotism, Dad's Army was free to celebrate

0:22:430:22:47

our amateurism in the face of apparently overwhelming odds.

0:22:470:22:52

Things were so desperate. There were adverts everywhere,

0:22:520:22:55

"Join the Home Guard". And we all realised, the Germans were just over the water.

0:22:550:22:59

Unlike the real Home Guard, Dad's Army did engage with the enemy,

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the results were memorable.

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In that fantastic episode where they're captured by the U-Boat crew,

0:23:070:23:10

Philip Madoc who played the U-boat commander, he was actually quite sinister.

0:23:100:23:14

It's a great episode, and it's remembered by everyone

0:23:140:23:18

because of the fantastic exchange.

0:23:180:23:20

Your name will also go on the list.

0:23:200:23:22

LAUGHTER

0:23:220:23:24

-Vot is it?

-Don't tell him, Pike.

-Pike!

0:23:240:23:27

Fantastic episode. But the point is that U-Boat crew was quite sinister.

0:23:290:23:34

you looked at him and thought,

0:23:340:23:36

"I wouldn't like to run up against him in a war situation."

0:23:360:23:39

If the German army had landed in Britain, I'm terribly sorry

0:23:390:23:43

to say that Captain Mainwaring and the rest

0:23:430:23:46

wouldn't have lasted 30 seconds in front of Hitler's Wehrmacht,

0:23:460:23:51

the most formidable fighting force the world has ever seen!

0:23:510:23:54

But what is so moving, and what the writers of Dad's Army caught

0:23:540:23:59

so brilliantly was the fact they were willing to die,

0:23:590:24:04

however sillily and however incompetently in the face of that threat.

0:24:040:24:08

And that's terribly moving.

0:24:080:24:09

We have one invaluable weapon on our side.

0:24:090:24:13

We have an unbreakable spirit to win.

0:24:130:24:15

A bulldog tenacity that will help us to hang on while there's breath left in our bodies.

0:24:170:24:23

You don't get that with Gestapos and jackboots.

0:24:230:24:26

You get that by being British.

0:24:260:24:29

I'll tell you the key to the success of Dad's Army.

0:24:290:24:33

It roused people who'd forgotten all about the war

0:24:330:24:39

to what was our greatest hour.

0:24:390:24:41

So come on, Adolf - we're ready for you!

0:24:410:24:44

CHEERING

0:24:440:24:45

They used to take the mickey out of the Home Guard,

0:24:450:24:48

but it was amazing, it was backs to the wall.

0:24:480:24:53

Nobody understands nowadays, because they can't.

0:24:530:24:57

Sitcom would take one step nearer the front line,

0:24:590:25:02

as 'Allo 'Allo even found humour in occupied France.

0:25:020:25:06

'Allo 'Allo was a much cleverer programme

0:25:060:25:08

than it seems on the surface.

0:25:080:25:11

The idea of an English guy pretending to be a French policeman,

0:25:110:25:15

indicating his bad French by having him speak bad English

0:25:150:25:18

is quite a complex idea which they pull off quite well.

0:25:180:25:21

I was pissing by the door...

0:25:230:25:25

'Allo 'Allo became one of the most popular sitcoms of the '80s...

0:25:260:25:30

When I heard two shats.

0:25:300:25:33

But it wasn't spoofing the War, so much as television's attitude to it.

0:25:350:25:40

Secret Army had already discovered the power of the Resistance.

0:25:400:25:44

Here were tales of wartime heroism,

0:25:440:25:47

this time played deadly straight.

0:25:470:25:50

Secret Army did bring across the heroism of the people

0:25:500:25:55

who lived through that period.

0:25:550:25:57

Those of us who write about occupied Europe are vary wary about

0:25:570:26:02

the jokes about it because it was so serious.

0:26:020:26:04

One has to remember in France where 'Allo 'Allo was set,

0:26:040:26:07

tens of thousands of people were murdered in cold blood,

0:26:070:26:10

by the Nazis, as hostages, or in reprisal for acts of resistance.

0:26:100:26:18

There wasn't very much to laugh about in France.

0:26:180:26:21

Are you one of them?

0:26:210:26:23

LAUGHTER

0:26:230:26:26

It was very lonely on the Russian front.

0:26:260:26:32

Even now, it's a brave decision to make these German soldiers warm and funny.

0:26:320:26:40

A man from the Gestapo is here to see you.

0:26:400:26:42

Gestapo!

0:26:420:26:45

There's no mention of the genocide and the atrocities in 'Allo 'Allo.

0:26:450:26:49

"The programme 'Allo 'Allo is totally offensive."

0:26:490:26:51

Mr Thomas also says:

0:26:510:26:53

"To make a laugh-a-minute comedy of such an unmitigatedly grisly subject

0:26:530:26:57

"is quite monstrous."

0:26:570:26:58

I've never forgotten when I was editor of the Daily Telegraph

0:26:580:27:01

and our TV correspondent came back from a television festival at which

0:27:010:27:05

'Allo 'Allo had been shown, and he said, "The Germans loved it.

0:27:050:27:08

"It was the first series they'd ever seen which made them

0:27:080:27:12

"look like lovable idiots rather than absolute bastards."

0:27:120:27:15

TV's fascination with the Second World War would continue

0:27:150:27:19

to grow, but The Great War had fewer chroniclers.

0:27:190:27:22

It was longer ago, of course,

0:27:220:27:25

and perhaps also lacked that moment of decisive moral choice.

0:27:250:27:29

Enter Percy Toplis, The Monocled Mutineer.

0:27:290:27:34

I wanted to write, as I had done before, an anti-hero,

0:27:340:27:40

who people are kind of horrified by

0:27:400:27:46

but can't help falling in love with.

0:27:460:27:50

This is something, for example, Yosser Hughes in The Boys From The Blackstuff,

0:27:500:27:56

what Yosser Hughes did to people was despicable, but there was something

0:27:560:28:02

about the heartbreak of his life that attracted people to him.

0:28:020:28:05

I felt with Toplis, who clearly wasn't what anyone would

0:28:050:28:10

describe as even a decent human being, there were qualities in him

0:28:100:28:16

I admired because he saw the madness and the horror of what was going on

0:28:160:28:24

and in his own difficult way realised the truth.

0:28:240:28:30

-I shouldn't be here.

-No. And I'm not going to die here!

0:28:300:28:33

Another bloody lot. I don't believe it.

0:28:330:28:36

What the hell are they sending more of them for?

0:28:360:28:39

It's a bloody slaughter!

0:28:390:28:41

The play marked a departure for Bleasdale -

0:28:410:28:43

it was his first historical drama, his first adaptation...

0:28:430:28:48

but he had a personal reason for getting involved.

0:28:480:28:51

"These scripts are dedicated to George Bleasdale

0:28:510:28:54

"who died a prisoner of war in France during the spring of 1917,

0:28:540:28:58

"three months before his 10th child, my father, was born."

0:28:580:29:03

I don't write dedications for nothing.

0:29:030:29:06

The play told the story of a real First World War soldier,

0:29:060:29:09

Percy Toplis.

0:29:090:29:11

It centred on a real mutiny of British troops at Etaples.

0:29:110:29:14

And it caused the mother of all rows.

0:29:140:29:17

The Monocled Mutineer was brilliant,

0:29:170:29:19

and the more brilliant for all the feathers it ruffled.

0:29:190:29:24

There is inherent drama in war,

0:29:240:29:27

but if you can do something in a portrayal of war

0:29:270:29:30

that makes people question decision making, authority, the establishment,

0:29:300:29:37

that can only be a good thing.

0:29:370:29:39

They want you to obey. They want you to give in.

0:29:390:29:42

They want you to stand there, "Yes, sir, no, sir, be sub whatsits."

0:29:420:29:46

And you might as well throw yourself in front of the nearest whizz-bang

0:29:460:29:50

because that is what they want and all.

0:29:500:29:52

The Monocled Mutineer obviously caused controversy

0:29:520:29:55

because if you are portraying a war, you're portraying a dedicated

0:29:550:29:59

fighting force, everybody prepared to go over the top

0:29:590:30:02

for their country, and this was about a mutiny.

0:30:020:30:06

CHEERING

0:30:060:30:08

'And it was obviously not something'

0:30:080:30:10

that those in authority wanted to see and were very, very keen to decry it.

0:30:100:30:15

Who are you? Tell me.

0:30:150:30:17

Who are you?

0:30:170:30:19

Whoever I want to be.

0:30:190:30:21

And who are you?

0:30:220:30:24

Anymore?

0:30:240:30:26

'My problem with...'

0:30:260:30:27

the kerfuffle about the Monocled Mutineer

0:30:270:30:32

was that, as I've said to you,

0:30:320:30:33

I was writing it for my dad and the granddad I never knew,

0:30:330:30:37

and then...

0:30:370:30:39

I realised there were people

0:30:390:30:42

who were trying to get

0:30:420:30:44

at the basic philosophy of the piece, but more really,

0:30:440:30:47

trying to get at the BBC at the time.

0:30:470:30:50

This was 30 years ago. Nothing changes.

0:30:500:30:52

The BBC were already under attack for alleged left-wing bias.

0:30:520:30:56

They were being sued by two Conservative MPS.

0:30:560:30:59

There'd been calls for the Director General to resign.

0:30:590:31:02

Now the battle commenced.

0:31:020:31:04

The BBC were being gunned at.

0:31:040:31:06

The BBC were being attacked

0:31:060:31:09

and their enemies were looking for any way to fire the guns at them.

0:31:090:31:13

The BBC defended the work,

0:31:130:31:15

but they'd already shot themselves in the foot.

0:31:150:31:19

Three little words in an early advertising campaign

0:31:190:31:22

had given their enemies the ammunition they needed.

0:31:220:31:25

What it said, I think I've got it here...

0:31:250:31:28

.."It was an enthralling, true-life story of Percy Toplis."

0:31:310:31:36

Double page spread in every newspaper,

0:31:360:31:40

and I died inside, because I knew it wasn't true life,

0:31:400:31:44

I knew that character was to a degree fictional,

0:31:440:31:48

and I knew I'd made an awful lot of stuff up,

0:31:480:31:51

and I knew then that I was going to be attacked.

0:31:510:31:54

Attention focused on the alleged historical inaccuracies.

0:31:540:31:59

Had the extent of the mutiny been exaggerated?

0:31:590:32:01

Had the real life Toplis been there at all?

0:32:010:32:04

Beyond that lurked the bigger question -

0:32:040:32:07

to what extent should drama be tied to the facts?

0:32:070:32:10

Can it tell the greater truth about war?

0:32:100:32:14

I hated the Monocled Mutineer because I'm a historian

0:32:140:32:17

and I know too much about that period.

0:32:170:32:20

I never thought of this as a drama doc or a documentary.

0:32:200:32:25

It certainly wasn't a true life story because nothing adds up,

0:32:250:32:29

it doesn't, but I tried to make it add up.

0:32:290:32:31

I never quite understand why television dramatists feel

0:32:310:32:36

they have to impose fiction on real events,

0:32:360:32:39

in quite that way.

0:32:390:32:41

I can't for the life of me see why they can't tell their great truths

0:32:410:32:45

within a fictional context.

0:32:450:32:47

'The argument is - and I'm not comparing myself to Shakespeare -'

0:32:480:32:52

that Richard III wasn't really real, you know,

0:32:520:32:56

it wasn't historically correct, but it made great drama.

0:32:560:32:59

The Monocled Mutineer was critically acclaimed and politically savaged.

0:32:590:33:04

But for all its alleged subversiveness, in some senses

0:33:060:33:09

the play expressed what's now the accepted view of World War One.

0:33:090:33:13

'What Toplis does, he plays the part of the modern man.'

0:33:130:33:17

You're never going to identify with anybody else in this story

0:33:170:33:20

because by this point our culture has absolutely decided

0:33:200:33:24

that all the First World War was,

0:33:240:33:25

was a foolish, senseless, waste of human life.

0:33:250:33:28

If you want an example of how firmly the idea

0:33:280:33:33

has crystallised in our culture, then Blackadder IV does it for you.

0:33:330:33:38

I love Blackadder, but up the same time,

0:33:380:33:40

one has to remember that it is simply not history.

0:33:400:33:43

I think there has been an orthodoxy which has developed,

0:33:430:33:47

in many ways almost a caricature of the First World War,

0:33:470:33:50

of lions led by donkeys. I think there's always a terrible temptation

0:33:500:33:55

to almost exaggerate it in a lot of the televisual depiction

0:33:550:33:59

of the First World War.

0:33:590:34:00

Perhaps a truly radical play would be the one that now argues

0:34:000:34:04

The Great War was worth fighting.

0:34:040:34:06

A great many people today say,

0:34:060:34:08

no cause could possibly have been worth the slaughter that we suffered.

0:34:080:34:12

I personally think, that if the Kaiser's Germany had prevailed in the First World War,

0:34:120:34:17

the consequences for Europe would've been as grievous as if the Nazis had prevailed in the Second.

0:34:170:34:22

For years, television dramatists had been confined to old wars and cold wars.

0:34:230:34:27

But in the 1980s, that had changed.

0:34:270:34:31

A mere four days ago, scenes such as this were utterly unthinkable.

0:34:310:34:36

This is a British fleet putting to sea, not on some training exercise,

0:34:360:34:40

but sailing with every intention of doing battle with an enemy.

0:34:400:34:44

It was an old fashioned war in many ways, the Falklands War.

0:34:440:34:47

It was fought with fairly conventional weapons.

0:34:470:34:49

In a sense, it was Britain's last burst

0:34:490:34:52

of being a mini super power, if you like.

0:34:520:34:55

That period, the 1970s, the British had been screwing up almost everything.

0:34:570:35:00

And here was something we did terribly well.

0:35:000:35:03

It had all the criteria for the perfect colonial war -

0:35:030:35:07

it didn't go on too long, it had a beginning, middle and end,

0:35:070:35:11

the other side weren't very good and we won.

0:35:110:35:15

After so long watching war on television,

0:35:150:35:18

out of nowhere came a chance to relive our finest hour.

0:35:180:35:22

Basically, the concern was that we would get there

0:35:220:35:25

and it would be finished.

0:35:250:35:27

That was the real worry.

0:35:270:35:30

There was a chance there may have been diplomatic clean up,

0:35:300:35:33

and that was a worry, that we might have to turn around and come back.

0:35:330:35:37

As you get closer, the amazement of what you're walking into

0:35:370:35:41

does dawn on you

0:35:410:35:43

and what you know it best from, is having grown up watching war movies.

0:35:430:35:48

All the people fighting the Falklands had been brought up

0:35:480:35:51

on World War II '50s movies

0:35:510:35:53

and they devised their scripts on the bridge in action

0:35:530:35:57

from those war movies.

0:35:570:35:59

So suddenly on the QE2 going down there, we're saying,

0:35:590:36:03

"Keep an eye on Tommy the tiger fish..."

0:36:030:36:05

i.e. a torpedo from a submarine or a ship that might try and sink us.

0:36:050:36:10

When you get down there and you're on the islands,

0:36:130:36:15

I don't care how good the last Richard Todd movie you saw was,

0:36:150:36:19

it's not really what you're thinking about.

0:36:190:36:21

But you understand, in a sense, what's classically expected of you.

0:36:210:36:25

We're now between the two gun lines

0:36:280:36:30

and there's a right old artillery dual going on between them...

0:36:300:36:34

By now we had journalists embedded with the troops.

0:36:340:36:37

But the real drama still happened off camera.

0:36:370:36:40

Our major action was the final action on Mount Tumbledown

0:36:400:36:45

just outside Port Stanley.

0:36:450:36:46

It was, you know, a hell of an experience.

0:36:460:36:50

The battle made an eerie sight,

0:36:500:36:52

the British progress marked only by the lines of tracer.

0:36:520:36:56

I ended up having to lead an assault against a machine gun post.

0:36:560:37:01

It was a case of doing what you do in the movies.

0:37:010:37:04

I stood up, I shouted, "Follow me",

0:37:040:37:07

and threw a grenade.

0:37:070:37:09

That night's events would inspire Charles Woods' Falklands war film, Tumbledown.

0:37:170:37:22

There's a number of things going through your mind during these battles,

0:37:240:37:28

the brain works very fast.

0:37:280:37:29

I remember being shocked at how physically hard it was to kill a man.

0:37:290:37:35

The idea of the classic lunge to the stomach, you know,

0:37:350:37:39

isn't really what happens at the end of the day.

0:37:390:37:42

They're grabbing hold of your rifle and it becomes extremely unpleasant.

0:37:420:37:47

Lawrence dispatched several men on his way to the top of Mount Tumbledown,

0:37:470:37:51

before he in turn was shot in the head by an Argentine sniper.

0:37:510:37:55

I was probably saved

0:37:550:37:57

by the extreme cold, which shut my body down,

0:37:570:38:01

but by the end of my operations,

0:38:010:38:05

having been cleaned up, I'd lost 42% of my brain.

0:38:050:38:08

-What are you doing?

-Just cleaning up, that's all.

0:38:080:38:12

'It was obvious that I was out of the army.'

0:38:120:38:14

The minimum requirement is that you can run away,

0:38:140:38:17

I would have thought, and I can't.

0:38:170:38:19

-You all right, Robert?

-No!

0:38:190:38:21

'So many veterans of the Second World War

0:38:230:38:27

'didn't really talk about their experiences,'

0:38:270:38:29

mainly because so many people around you

0:38:290:38:32

had similar experiences, or other experiences. You felt no need.

0:38:320:38:37

'So I determined I had a duty to inform my generation

0:38:370:38:41

'a bit more about the nature of war.'

0:38:410:38:44

The members of the Royal Family

0:38:440:38:46

take their places at the front of this huge...

0:38:460:38:51

silent, standing congregation.

0:38:510:38:54

Tumbledown looked back at the battle but focussed on what happened next.

0:38:540:38:58

'The wounded weren't allowed on the Victory Parade.

0:38:590:39:02

'I was not allowed in uniform at the St Paul's memorial service

0:39:020:39:06

'because I was in a wheelchair,'

0:39:060:39:08

and I looked around and realised how little we'd improved,

0:39:080:39:12

in those days especially, in our care of veterans.

0:39:120:39:15

These men were put in a position to defend a very small territory,

0:39:150:39:20

and the price they pay is enormously high

0:39:200:39:22

and the indifference of the government and the authorities to them seemed to be monumental.

0:39:220:39:28

Two hours I've been sitting here.

0:39:280:39:30

Two hours.

0:39:300:39:32

Couldn't see a thing.

0:39:320:39:34

Its tales of post-traumatic stress disorder and bureaucratic

0:39:340:39:38

indifference ensured a hostile reception from the army.

0:39:380:39:42

-What are they frightened of?

-But the film also captured the real drama of war.

0:39:420:39:47

'I grew up watching Reach For The Sky.'

0:39:510:39:54

I have a brother who refers to Tumbledown as Reach For The Sky with swearing.

0:39:540:39:58

'Nothing should be pro-war, clearly,'

0:40:000:40:03

and nothing should be anti-war, solely.

0:40:030:40:07

You know, I'm a soldier, I enjoy soldiering,

0:40:070:40:10

and it would be wrong to pretend I didn't.

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After 30 years, television had finally made a war film

0:40:120:40:16

that matched anything in the cinema,

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complete with a cinematic ending.

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ISN'T THIS FUN?!

0:40:210:40:23

How thick do you have to be to think I actually did that?

0:40:270:40:30

The words, "Isn't this fun?",

0:40:300:40:32

I'd used it probably an hour and a half before the end.

0:40:320:40:37

I recall desperately trying to get the director

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to change that image of me standing with my arms in the air shouting, "Isn't this fun?",

0:40:420:40:48

and I said, "There's no way I would highlight myself on a ridge like that",

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to which the answer was, "Listen, Robert, this is film."

0:40:540:40:57

For the first time for many years,

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British sovereign territory has been invaded by a foreign power.

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Television had become a battleground for conflicting opinions about war.

0:41:050:41:10

At the heart of the debate was the relationship between drama and history.

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In The Falklands Play, Ian Curteis, the veteran dramatist of Suez

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and Churchill, looked not at the war, but at the reasons for it.

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I don't feel I'm drawn to war.

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I think I'm drawn to the politics of why war becomes inevitable.

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People say to me occasionally, "You write about war",

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and I say, "Well, I don't write about fighting.

0:41:330:41:36

"It's the politics of the thing, and the personal struggles behind the scenes."

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The Falklands Play had been thoroughly researched,

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but this was no drama documentary. It was a play with an opinion.

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Margaret!

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I think the difference between a play and a dramatised documentary

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is that a dramatised documentary is supposed to be impartial.

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A play based on history, a totally different animal, which is what I write,

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sticks to the essential facts, simplifies them,

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but tries to get into the heads and the motives of the people going on.

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There was no mistaking the key player in The Falklands Play.

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This is Margaret Thatcher. Can I help?

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'The Falklands Play portrayed Margaret Thatcher as a very introspective,'

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rather thoughtful, rather tortured soul,

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instead of the battleaxe,

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the Iron Lady that everybody had come to see her as.

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It's a terrible thing to send those men in to fight,

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to risk their young lives in those atrocious conditions.

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-They're professionals.

-Of course they are, and superb, but...

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I've never seen fighting, Willy.

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'Mrs Thatcher wasn't popular in the broadcasting world'

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to put it lightly.

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So a number of things I was asked to change about her,

0:42:480:42:51

which I said, "That would be wrong. It didn't happen like that".

0:42:510:42:54

The BBC demanded changes. Curteis was unwilling to make them.

0:42:540:42:58

When the production stalled, he went public with his grievances.

0:42:580:43:01

Once more, an attempt to dramatise war

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had become mired in controversy.

0:43:050:43:07

We've heard the author tell us it was because he was unwilling

0:43:070:43:11

to introduce fictional matter

0:43:110:43:13

critical of the Government into his play as a condition of its screening.

0:43:130:43:18

We still await a plausible explanation of that affair.

0:43:180:43:22

The BBC had an explanation for the play's cancellation.

0:43:220:43:25

They said the work wasn't very good.

0:43:250:43:28

I made it very clear at the time to the Board of Governors,

0:43:280:43:32

to the press, to anybody who was interested, that the sole grounds

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for not going ahead with the commission

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was the fact that I didn't think the script was good enough.

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I know what he said, cos it was in the press report which followed the actual press conference he gave.

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I seethed, and I suppose I used to lie awake at three in the morning seething,

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but one can't do anything at that time. The best thing to do is to go to sleep again,

0:43:540:43:58

hoping that it would see the light of day.

0:43:580:44:00

Cancelled in the run up to the 1987 election, The Falklands Play

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finally went out 15 years later,

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on a smaller budget, and with a number of cuts.

0:44:080:44:12

It took a sympathetic line on the most controversial moment in the war.

0:44:120:44:16

Pincer movement?

0:44:160:44:18

The Belgrano and her escorts, carrying Exocets, could suddenly turn and steam hard north.

0:44:180:44:25

The Veinticinco de Mayo could simultaneously steam south and launch her Skyhawk attack aircraft.

0:44:250:44:31

The facts are known as to what happened about the Belgrano,

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what the Belgrano was about to do, what the Belgrano was about to attack,

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and that there was a pincer movement happening.

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There's bound to be tremendous world reaction.

0:44:390:44:42

It's a major escalation of the fighting.

0:44:420:44:44

But they've been trying to sink our ships, kill our boys.

0:44:440:44:48

They invaded, not us.

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Like so many plays before it,

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The Falklands Play nailed its colours to the mast.

0:44:510:44:55

I think it was a just war.

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All war is to be avoided if conceivably possible

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but some wars have to be fought.

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NEWSCASTER: A massive air campaign has begun.

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Baghdad has been under heavy bombardment tonight.

0:45:090:45:12

Wars are fought in a new way today and covered in a new way by television.

0:45:120:45:16

It's unclear exactly how many Iraqi troops are up ahead of us.

0:45:160:45:19

We get journalists dispatching reports from the front line,

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even soldiers shooting the action on cameras in their helmets.

0:45:230:45:27

It's brought us closer to war than ever before.

0:45:270:45:30

The way television - in particular, but maybe the internet as well -

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looks at war has changed dramatically and permanently now.

0:45:340:45:38

The fact there's so much access to pictures of war,

0:45:380:45:41

whether it's from soldiers' own phones or 24-hour rolling news,

0:45:410:45:44

it means there's no secrets in war any more.

0:45:440:45:47

In spite, or perhaps because of the blanket coverage, it seems many

0:45:470:45:51

of the certainties we once had about war have disappeared.

0:45:510:45:55

We see the human cost much more than we ever did in the Second World War,

0:45:550:45:59

and that in a sense adds to our feeling of confusion.

0:45:590:46:03

We don't quite know why we're there, we don't know which side who's on,

0:46:030:46:07

we don't know who are goodies and baddies,

0:46:070:46:10

we don't know what the population of Afghanistan or Iraq really want.

0:46:100:46:14

I don't think we can find our thread through it all.

0:46:140:46:16

For dramatists entering this fray, perhaps the safest approach

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is to stick as close as possible to the facts.

0:46:200:46:23

When Ten Days To War brought to life the second Iraq war's

0:46:230:46:26

most famous eve of battle speech, it did it word for word.

0:46:260:46:31

So, we're on, sir?

0:46:310:46:33

It looks like it.

0:46:330:46:35

Can I ask you something, sir?

0:46:350:46:37

Not now.

0:46:370:46:39

My concern was piqued by one of my soldiers who asked me,

0:46:390:46:42

"Are we about to invade Iraq, and if so, why?"

0:46:420:46:45

And that realisation that no-one had actually told me

0:46:450:46:49

what was meant to be happening.

0:46:490:46:51

-What do you think I should say?

-I'm sure you'll think of something.

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I felt that as I expected many of my young Irish soldiers

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were about to lay down their lives in this war,

0:47:010:47:04

and certainly to take other human lives,

0:47:040:47:07

that I personally owed them an explanation.

0:47:070:47:10

We are going into Iraq to liberate and not to conquer.

0:47:100:47:17

We will not fly our flags in their country.

0:47:170:47:20

I was keen to emphasise they should be respectful towards

0:47:200:47:24

other people and mankind because I know what can happen in combat.

0:47:240:47:27

Iraq is steeped in history.

0:47:270:47:31

It is the site of the Garden of Eden.

0:47:310:47:34

The Great Flood,

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It is the birthplace of Abraham.

0:47:390:47:41

You tread...

0:47:410:47:43

You tread lightly there.

0:47:460:47:48

I made the speech up as I went along but apparently it made sense.

0:47:480:47:52

It was written down in shorthand by a journalist

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and it wasn't recorded by any electronic media,

0:47:550:47:58

so when the hungry 24-hour news world wanted to grab it,

0:47:580:48:02

'all there was was pieces of paper.'

0:48:020:48:04

I expect you to rock their world.

0:48:040:48:08

Wipe them out, if that's what they choose.

0:48:080:48:11

If you are ferocious in battle, remember to be magnanimous in victory.

0:48:130:48:18

Actually, they did capture very accurately the spirit

0:48:180:48:22

and the immediacy of the time and the tension and the anger as well.

0:48:220:48:27

Let's bring everybody home safely

0:48:270:48:31

and leave Iraq a better place for us having been there.

0:48:310:48:35

The speech to the First Battalion of the Royal Irish Regiment

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became a global phenomenon.

0:48:380:48:40

The words reportedly ended up pinned to the Oval Office wall.

0:48:400:48:44

It would appear the rest of the English-speaking world

0:48:440:48:48

was seeking some explanation of what was happening,

0:48:480:48:52

and I suspect that's why many people latched onto it.

0:48:520:48:55

Good luck.

0:48:550:48:57

Opinions were divided on Iraq and Afghanistan but there was

0:48:590:49:02

general agreement on one thing - neither war was very funny.

0:49:020:49:07

# We could have been anything that we wanted to be

0:49:070:49:11

# With all the talent we have... #

0:49:110:49:14

One of the few brave enough to give it a go

0:49:140:49:17

was BBC Three's Gary: Tank Commander.

0:49:170:49:20

# We're the very best at being bad guys. #

0:49:200:49:25

Gary: Tank Commander is basically about a group of squaddies

0:49:250:49:29

led by the character of Corporal Gary McLintoch,

0:49:290:49:32

who you could describe possibly as...a confident fool.

0:49:320:49:38

Who knows what's going to happen in Iraq?

0:49:380:49:42

It might turn into the new Ibiza.

0:49:420:49:45

You know?

0:49:450:49:46

Maybe next year folk'll ask you where you're going on your holidays

0:49:460:49:50

and you might be like, "I'm off to Basra."

0:49:500:49:52

He thinks he's very aware of the world

0:49:520:49:54

and the political problems leading up to Iraq

0:49:540:49:57

and Afghanistan so he's got his own world view

0:49:570:49:59

on what the real issues are and how to resolve them.

0:49:590:50:03

A lot of folk'll say "That'll never happen. Look at all the violence.

0:50:030:50:07

"Look how run-down it is, there's no industry, there's nothing to do, the hotels are rubbish."

0:50:070:50:12

But look at Blackpool!

0:50:120:50:14

Gary Tank Commander tipped its hat to some of its illustrious predecessors.

0:50:140:50:18

Dad's Army. Do you remember that? "Don't tell me your name, Pike!"

0:50:180:50:22

That was his name. That was funny. I liked that.

0:50:220:50:24

-And that old boy, what was he called?

-Mainwaring?

0:50:240:50:27

-No.

-Jonesy?

0:50:270:50:29

-No, the old boy!

-"We're dooooomed!" Him?

0:50:290:50:33

No!

0:50:330:50:34

It's about opposites. Rene Artois in 'Allo 'Allo! is the unlikely hero

0:50:340:50:39

and you don't expect that.

0:50:390:50:41

Mainwaring's an unlikely leader of men in Dad's Army.

0:50:410:50:46

Gary is another unlikely leader.

0:50:460:50:48

What was it he used to say? He'd be like, "I was just passin'..."

0:50:480:50:54

That's 'Allo 'Allo! Gary.

0:50:540:50:56

But if comedy is tragedy plus time, them something was missing.

0:50:560:51:02

Here was a sitcom which brokered the past by being set in the present.

0:51:020:51:07

The longer you're away from a conflict, the safer it seems

0:51:070:51:10

to be able to say something about it.

0:51:100:51:13

It's probably easier for Black Adder to set its final series

0:51:130:51:16

during the First World War than it would have been

0:51:160:51:18

to set it during the Second World War or The Falklands War.

0:51:180:51:21

We're not far off the back of Iraq and yet we're writing a sitcom,

0:51:210:51:24

and Afghanistan's still going, so you don't get the same leeway.

0:51:240:51:28

You have to be quite sensitive about how you deal with it.

0:51:280:51:31

One way of dealing with is to set the action between tours of duty.

0:51:310:51:35

The front only features in the form of flashbacks,

0:51:350:51:38

shot as soldiers' home video.

0:51:380:51:40

When I was researching the show

0:51:400:51:42

and trying to capture the essence of the camaraderie,

0:51:420:51:45

I was looking up clips online and seeing what soldiers were doing.

0:51:450:51:48

I thought it'd be nice to get something troops were doing

0:51:480:51:51

out in Afghanistan and Iraq and representing it in the show.

0:51:510:51:54

BAGPIPES PLAY "WE WILL ROCK YOU"

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Camaraderie, by definition, is fun, whether it's down the pub

0:51:560:52:00

with your football team

0:52:000:52:01

or whether it's in the trenches of the First World War

0:52:010:52:04

or whether it's currently in Afghanistan.

0:52:040:52:07

That's a fun bonding experience

0:52:070:52:10

and you don't see that when you're watching the news.

0:52:100:52:13

All we get is another soldier killed, another soldier maimed, but we don't

0:52:130:52:18

get much insight into any other workings of army life, so I think

0:52:180:52:23

that soldiers watch the show and like the fact we're seeing a different side to how soldiers are portrayed.

0:52:230:52:29

If you trawl the Internet,

0:52:370:52:38

you'll see people saying, "This is dreadful. This isn't funny".

0:52:380:52:42

But one interesting thing a soldier said to me was,

0:52:420:52:45

"You can't offend soldiers".

0:52:450:52:47

If you think about what they've experienced, you just can't touch it.

0:52:470:52:51

You can't offend them.

0:52:510:52:52

If you're making some jokes in a sitcom, they're not affected by that.

0:52:520:52:56

As British troops fought in foreign fields, the War Against Terror

0:53:020:53:06

came to our doorstep. TV's response? The re-invention

0:53:060:53:10

of the '60s spy thriller for the post-9/11 age.

0:53:100:53:14

The idea of counter-terrorism is attractive to TV for several reasons.

0:53:140:53:19

It's something very Zeitgeist-y, something in the newspapers.

0:53:190:53:23

Rather like the old Cold War stories,

0:53:230:53:26

it's one that you don't need a gigantic budget to stage.

0:53:260:53:29

People in Spooks spend most of their time just looking at computers.

0:53:290:53:33

Take it back a bit.

0:53:330:53:36

They're our bombers.

0:53:360:53:37

That world has occasional outbursts of action

0:53:370:53:41

but mostly it's people in rooms shouting at each other.

0:53:410:53:45

Counter the order to push people back into the station. Get everybody out.

0:53:460:53:50

One of most common questions I'm asked is,

0:53:500:53:53

"Is Spooks really like it really is?"

0:53:530:53:57

There's people in the station. The roof will come down in five minutes!

0:53:570:54:01

Of course the answer is no, it's not like it really is!

0:54:010:54:03

Three, two, one, cut.

0:54:030:54:07

Well done, everybody.

0:54:130:54:14

There's something about TV drama which seems to consist of going out

0:54:140:54:20

and killing the enemy.

0:54:200:54:21

Where's the bomb? Where's the bomb?!

0:54:210:54:24

And killing the enemy is actually not what's done at all.

0:54:240:54:28

British Intelligence doesn't kill people. If there's killing to be done, it's done by the military.

0:54:280:54:35

I don't know how, when people have watched an episode of Spooks,

0:54:370:54:41

for example, how they then feel. Do they feel reassured?

0:54:410:54:45

There are people going around saving us.

0:54:450:54:48

Or do they feel frightfully anxious that these dreadful things

0:54:480:54:53

are going on on our streets?

0:54:530:54:55

If it were me, I'd feel frightfully anxious

0:54:550:54:57

that the people protecting us look so over-excitable.

0:54:570:55:02

In the midst of the War Against Terror, television's fascination

0:55:020:55:07

with the Second World War was as strong as ever.

0:55:070:55:09

Even without the comedy accents, the Nazis still made the best bad guys.

0:55:090:55:16

Or did they?

0:55:160:55:17

The Sinking Of The Laconia told the true-life story of a U-Boat commander who torpedoed a ship

0:55:220:55:28

before putting his crew's life in danger to rescue the survivors.

0:55:280:55:34

I didn't create him, he was there. Commander Hartenstein.

0:55:340:55:38

For me, one of the extraordinary heroes of the 20th century.

0:55:380:55:43

It was a gift to me to have someone like that

0:55:430:55:47

because it showed you that in the middle of the violence,

0:55:470:55:53

hatred and savagery of the Nazi philosophy,

0:55:530:55:57

somebody had kept his moral valour.

0:55:570:56:01

It was the same blend of drama and historical fact

0:56:310:56:34

Bleasdale had brought to the Monocled Mutineer,

0:56:340:56:37

but this time his defences were up.

0:56:370:56:39

When I wrote the first draft, I was hysterically factually correct

0:56:390:56:47

beyond my own belief that I could do that.

0:56:470:56:51

If that submarine fired that torpedo on the 13th of September 1942,

0:56:510:56:58

it didn't fire it at just around 8 o'clock.

0:56:580:57:02

It fired it at 8.08 and 13 seconds.

0:57:020:57:06

Television has dramatised war through the ages across the genres.

0:57:060:57:12

It's told us the stories of those involved and illuminated the decisions they've made.

0:57:120:57:17

Sometimes it's done it so well we've not been sure what we've been watching.

0:57:170:57:23

We are living in an age when people have so little idea

0:57:230:57:26

of the dividing line between fact and fiction.

0:57:260:57:28

I do think it's terrifying, this blend we've developed

0:57:280:57:33

in recent years, in an age of historical ignorance.

0:57:330:57:36

With drama becoming more realistic and documentary becoming more dramatic,

0:57:360:57:40

how will TV go to war in the future?

0:57:400:57:43

Will drama be relegated to filling in the bits the news cameras miss?

0:57:430:57:47

Or does it still have something to say about war in the modern age?

0:57:470:57:53

Because the wars currently being fought are broadcast simultaneously

0:57:530:57:56

across all the media, I don't think that makes the fictionalised war drama impossible.

0:57:560:58:04

Actually, it's given it a whole new vernacular in which to work,

0:58:040:58:08

a whole new set of images.

0:58:080:58:10

Drama finds it very hard not to have an opinion.

0:58:100:58:13

The Monocled Mutineer, Tumbledown, whichever film you want to name, it has an opinion.

0:58:130:58:19

Any idea that just because you've got helmet cameras,

0:58:190:58:22

you're seeing the full reality of war - no way.

0:58:220:58:26

There's always going to be other dimensions for the filmmaker

0:58:260:58:29

and the dramatist to explore in fiction.

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