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'People ask me... | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
'..do the English people want | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
'a National Theatre?' | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
'Well, of course they don't. They never want anything.' | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
They've got a British Museum. But they never wanted it. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:38 | |
They've got a National Gallery but they never wanted it. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
'But now that they've got it, | 0:00:41 | 0:00:43 | |
'now that it stands there as a mysterious phenomenon | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
'that came to them in some sort of fashion, | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
'they quite approve of it.' | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
This is the Lyttelton stage now | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
This is the safety curtain. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
This opens - top half goes up, bottom half goes down - | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
and just behind, another five foot there, | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
is the Lyttelton stalls. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
I will not dwell for long | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
upon the aims and objects of the National Theatre - | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
it is not unnatural that people should ask at times | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
"What is it for?" | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
I'm not sure that, in doing so | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
they do not, perhaps unconsciously, | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
rank themselves amongst the Philistines. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
'I should have some difficulty in answering the question | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
'"What is Hamlet or Midsummer Night's Dream for? ' | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
'Be not too tame neither, but let your own discretion be your tutor.' | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
Suit the action to the word, the word to the action, | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
with this special observance that you o'erstep not | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
the modesty of nature. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
For anything so overdone is from the purpose of playing | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
whose end, both at the first and now, | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
was and is to hold, as 'twere, the mirror up to nature. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:38 | |
'After a series of frustrating and embarrassing false starts, | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
'the National Theatre of Great Britain finally came into being | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
'on October 22nd 1963 | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
'with the most famous English actor of the time as its first director.' | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
If there was going to be a National Theatre, | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
Olivier would have to be running it - | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
he represented the theatre | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
in... a symbolic way. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:09 | |
'Erm, he was not just a great actor, | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
'he was a great man of the theatre.' | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
'He was still in his prime.' | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
'He was so wonderfully virile and athletic.' | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
Yes, you'd better go. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
There was also excitement about that because the glamour of Olivier | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
both as a film star and having made the Shakespeare films. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:34 | |
'But I think he actually liked the thing of being | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
'the figurehead of the National Theatre.' | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
..we happy few, we band of brothers, | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
for he today that sheds his blood with me shall be my brother, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
be he ne'er so base... | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
I was very frightened of it when I started it, | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
but I looked around as honestly as I could | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
and, I hope, without self-deception, | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
and I thought I probably was, | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
perhaps, the fellow with the best sort of experiences | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
to start the thing going. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
We shall patiently bear the trials which fate sends us, | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
shall work for others, both now and when we are old, | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
and we shall have no rest. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
Oh, he was very excited by it. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
He was also very frightened! SHE LAUGHS | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
'And he knew he would have to have help, | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
'so John Dexter and William Gaskill | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
'both came from the Royal Court | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
'and became the first two associate directors.' | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
'In the mid-1950s, the British theatre was radically transformed | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
'by a revoltionary movement | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
'which began at the Royal Court Theatre in Sloane Square | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
'in which Laurence Olivier and Joan Plowright | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
'both played an important part. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
Joan Plowright was a product of the Royal Court | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
and then she'd married Olivier and his performance in The Entertainer | 0:05:02 | 0:05:07 | |
altered his career - and saved his career, he would say. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
'But although there was now a National Theatre, | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
'there was no actual theatre, | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
'so the company took up temporary residence at the Old Vic, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
'which had a long and distinguished history, | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
'but was south of the river and far away from the commercial theatres | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
'of London's West End.' | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
It's a long climb to the top. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
Sir Laurence used to say he didn't like the Vic - too many stairs | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
and he was right. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
Your Royal Highness, lords, ladies and gentlemen. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:57 | |
This is a joyous occasion. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
The National Theatre | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
is to be something which the Old Vic is dedicated to, | 0:06:04 | 0:06:09 | |
with Laurence, who is a passionate lover of the theatre. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:15 | |
A fine actor, Laurence has got that feeling | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
that we are doing something for our country, | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
something to make our country more aware of itself, | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
of everything that's happening all over the world. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:29 | |
# Ahhh, ahhh | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
# Ahhh | 0:06:33 | 0:06:34 | |
# Whoo... | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
'In the theatre, of all places it does teach us | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
'to understand other human beings | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
'that probably we don't want to know in ordinary life.' | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
Good night, ladies. Good night Sweet ladies, good night. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
Night. Good night! | 0:06:55 | 0:06:59 | |
'With a nod to national theatres in France, Germany and Russia, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
'Olivier set out to stage the classics | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
'and he opened his first season with a full-length production of Hamlet, | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
'starring Peter O'Toole, | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
'hot from his film role as Lawrence of Arabia.' | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
Sir Laurence said "When you start the National Theatre | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
"after 300 years of talking about it and you open with Hamlet, | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
"you put on your strongest suit of armour | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
"and expect everybody to take aim at you", | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
which I think they did. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
It's primarily about three people - | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
three sons of fathers - | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
Laertes, Fortinbras and Hamlet | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
all of whom, | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
their fathers are murdered. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
Hamlet was the first. It wasn't very much liked, | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
though, of course, it did very good business. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
'They didn't really care for Peter O'Toole as Hamlet | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
'and he and Larry had not really got on all that well.' | 0:07:58 | 0:08:03 | |
'To be, | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
'or not to be...' | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
I think O'Toole had all his own ideas | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
and rather thought Larry was trying to... | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
make him into the kind of Hamlet he himself had played on film. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:21 | |
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,... | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
..or to take arms against a sea of troubles... | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
..and by opposing end them. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
"..and the crowd is absolutely going wild..." | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
'We were playing a matinee | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
'and the word had just come | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
'about Kennedy's assassination. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
And, of course, there was a lot of discussion backstage | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
as to what we should do - whether we should just go on with the play | 0:08:58 | 0:09:04 | |
or whether we should make an announcement. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
'I think, at the end of the act | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
'we made the announcement | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
'and there was this incredible hush in the audience.' | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
We're coming into the archive of the National Theatre, | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
in the basement of the National Theatre studio | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
And we have here everything documenting the National's history, | 0:09:42 | 0:09:47 | |
from the early 20th-century movement to found the National | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
up to productions a couple of months ago. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:55 | |
'Although it had produced the world's greatest playwright | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
'Britain had never had a National Theatre.' | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
'The idea of founding one emerged in the middle of the 19th century | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
'and the actor Harley Granville-Barker, | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
'one of the country's leading Shakespeareans, | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
'drew up a detailed plan for a National Theatre in 1904. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:17 | |
In this bay, we have production boxes | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
which document every show the National's ever done. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
This is a very early production - The Recruiting Officer - | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
with Bill Gaskill, who we'd poached from the Royal Court. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
Your name, my dear? | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
Wilful. Jack Wilful at your service. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
The Kentish Wilfuls or those of Staffordshire? | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
Er, both, sir, both. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:45 | |
I'm related to all the Wilfuls in Europe and head of the family. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:50 | |
Do you live in this country? | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
I live where I stand, I have no habitation beyond this spot | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
What are you, sir? A rake. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
I found I was very nervous. Of him. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
It's very unfair | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
on Sir Laurence, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:06 | |
but it's bound to happen - | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
you are in awe of him. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
Were you petrified? | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
That doesn't cover it! | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
But why? Because I'd come from revue. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:22 | |
You know, it's not easy | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
to suddenly find yourself with that person, | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
with the entire Royal Court. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
They're great fun. I am glad you think so. They bore me stiff. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
Myra, don't be statuesque. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
Let go of my hand. I won't. You will! | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
Ooh! Oh, I'm so sorry. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
It was an actors' theatre, | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
in that it was run by the greatest actor we had. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
It was a kind of Mecca for actors. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:56 | |
I remember the very first time when we started rehearsing Saint Joan | 0:11:57 | 0:12:02 | |
and he and Joan Plowright came in to meet the company | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
and we were all in a line | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
and, like the king and queen, they walked down the line | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
and greeted each one of us | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
and when he got to me, | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
he shook my hand and he eyeballed me | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
and he eyeballed me and he eyeballed me | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
until I dropped my eyes, | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
by which time, my shirt was sticking to my back, of course. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
One can see, when a foreign company | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
who is used to the idea of a permanent ensemble | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
such as the Moscow Arts Theatre | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
it is that hot breath of unity | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
that, whenever I've seen it all through my life, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
sometimes rarely, but whenever I have, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
it's always seemed to be more important than the star system. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
When you were first asked | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
to be director of the National Theatre, | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
was this first thought in your mind? | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
'Kenneth Tynan was the most influential critic of the day, | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
'as well as an international authority on the theatre.' | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
'He wrote scathing reviews in his column in the Observer | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
'and had attacked Olivier himself, | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
'but he was a fervent supporter of the idea of a National Theatre.' | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
Tynan wrote and asked | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
if he could be the dramaturg at the National Theatre. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:19 | |
'We talked about it - | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
'I thought he ought to be there ' | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
"..before you trust in critics who themselves are sore." | 0:13:24 | 0:13:28 | |
Anything that is constantly changing is obviously alive | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
and the only critic who is unchanging is a dead critic. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
I think Olivier must've thought there was an advantage | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
in having a dangerously intelligent critic | 0:13:40 | 0:13:45 | |
who might've been spiteful about productions | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
and it's better to have the spitefulness | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
confined to the theatre itself | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
He certainly had an influence on the repertoire | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
and certainly pushed Olivier to undertake productions | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
which he might otherwise have not done at all | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
with which he was probably unfamiliar. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
Can I ask you something about All Saints Choir School long ago... | 0:14:08 | 0:14:13 | |
Tynan was a fascinating combination | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
of star and fan. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
..lively, really highly artistic priest.. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
I think they had an extrordinary relationship, Tynan and Olivier - | 0:14:24 | 0:14:29 | |
it was father-son, it was lovers, | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
it was haters, | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
but, fundamentally,... | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
..Ken Tynan... responded | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
to... genius. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
The first thing Sir Laurence and I said to each other | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
when we started on this journey | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
was "Let's not be national, let's be international." | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
Larry and Tynan | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
needed each other, | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
but they didn't necessarily LIKE each other very much - | 0:15:00 | 0:15:05 | |
I called him a necessary irritant! | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
'What if I had said I had seen him do you wrong?' | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
'Or heard him say?' | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
'Hath he said anything?' 'He hath, my lord.' | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
'But be you well assured, no more than he'll unswear.' | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
'What hath he said?' 'Why, that he did.' | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
'I know not what he did.' | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
'What? What?' | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
'Lie...' 'With her?' | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
'With her, | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
'on her, | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
'what you will.' | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
This is John Dexter's very famous production of Othello | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
from 1964 | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
with Olivier as the Moor and Frank Finlay as Iago. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
'At the age of 56, | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
'Olivier took on a role he had avoided all his life.' | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
'His performance as Othello was powerful and monumental.' | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
'It quickly became legendary | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
'and was hugely successful.' | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
Let's talk about Othello a little. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
At the beginning, you were reluctant to play the part - why was that | 0:16:14 | 0:16:19 | |
Well, I knew it was a... | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
I knew it was a terror. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
I knew that it was almost impossible. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
Here we have Olivier blacking up in the dressing room beforehand | 0:16:28 | 0:16:33 | |
Oh, that was amazing. And then he polished it with chiffon and things. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:38 | |
I used to stick his eyelashes on quite a lot. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
'It was quite creepy when we first saw him.' | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
'He suddenly appeared on the stage.' | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
'Funny to think now, though. Wouldn't get away with it now. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
'It seemed so logical that Laurence should play Othello | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
'and he clearly had to black up for it.' | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
Oh, my fair warrior. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
Oh, my dear Othello. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
'It was difficult | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
'because Larry has an area around him | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
'which is quite difficult to... penetrate.' | 0:17:12 | 0:17:17 | |
I would try to be near him and do things | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
and I don't know whether it was .. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
a mixture of not wanting the make-up to come off | 0:17:23 | 0:17:28 | |
or this sort of... | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
..isolation that I think he wants when acting. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:36 | |
You almost felt you ought to say "Hello, am I allowed in?" | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
But half an hour! Being done, there is no pause! | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
It is too late! | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
The film wasn't much cop. We went and filmed it in a film studio | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
and it didn't belong in there, really. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
You know, a theatre production | 0:17:52 | 0:17:54 | |
I was the Second Gentleman of Cyprus. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
I had to run on and make a speech to the senate. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
I can still remember the voice now. I can hear it. It was so powerful. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:07 | |
'By the world, I think my wife be honest and think she is not.' | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
'I think thou art just and think thou art not. I'll have some proof!' | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
'My name, which was as fresh as Dian's visage, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
'is now begrimed and black as mine own face!' | 0:18:18 | 0:18:23 | |
# London, this lovely city... | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
"They didn't half make a difference on the buses, these coloured chaps." | 0:18:26 | 0:18:30 | |
"Wreathed in smiles and politeness, even at seven in the morning." | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
"It made a nice change." | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
'Olivier's Othello also attracted fierce opposition.' | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
'Some critics mocked his performance | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
'and accused him of sounding like a West Indian bus conductor.' | 0:18:43 | 0:18:47 | |
I thought it was absolutely awful. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
Because so much was made of him blacking himself up | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
and of him being "like something from the Caribbean." | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
'He would sometimes fool about during that.' | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
'He'd whisper "Your fares, please. No standing on the top deck."' | 0:19:03 | 0:19:08 | |
You know, bus conductors used to - | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
"Your fares, please. No standing on the top deck." | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
We'd all start corpsing. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
I wish that all of you would get away from the idea | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
that's acting's a terrible drill with the director as sergeant major. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
It simply isn't so. Acting's invention, make-believe. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
This time, will you please cough up some ideas | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
and let me say they're terrible | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
'The Old Vic was founded in 181 .' | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
'But in the 1930s, it became the home, under Lilian Baylis, | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
'of a famous theatrical revival | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
'led by director Tyrone Guthrie | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
'who staged legendary Shakespeare productions there | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
'with stars such as John Gielgud, Ralph Richardson, | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
'Peggy Ashcroft and Olivier himself.' | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
OK, we'll go up to the upper circle. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
Lilian Baylis Circle, as it's known. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
'APPLAUSE' | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
This would have been a thing that Lilian would've liked - | 0:20:14 | 0:20:19 | |
that her Old Vic should be the National Theatre. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
In this way, we also saw that it was a continuity of her work | 0:20:23 | 0:20:28 | |
and the only way we could safely guarantee it. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
'90 per cent of the staff are still with us from the old days ' | 0:20:32 | 0:20:37 | |
'Almost everybody has had something to do with the Old Vic.' | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
Almost every actor that you see there | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
will, at some time or another, be found on our boards - | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
in fact, it's hardly possible to find a very good actor | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
who has not been at the Old Vic at some time or another. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
'The Old Vic was meant to be a temporary home | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
'until a new theatre could be built on the site that had been allocated | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
'on a disused bomb site next to the Festival Hall.' | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
Just after the first season opened at the Old Vic, | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
we interviewed the architects. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
And then began the most boring week you can imagine | 0:21:17 | 0:21:22 | |
because candidates came from all over Europe | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
to give their submission of what they thought already | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
should be the National Theatre | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
and, after two days of this, | 0:21:31 | 0:21:33 | |
in came an architect who, as far as I remember, | 0:21:33 | 0:21:38 | |
had never done anything in the theatre - Denys Lasdun | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
and he said "Gentlemen, I think that my background | 0:21:41 | 0:21:47 | |
"and my record is sufficient | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
"for you to know not only who I am, | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
"but the way I approach any commission I have, | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
"so I have nothing further to say to you." | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
He said this with such quiet authority and conviction | 0:21:59 | 0:22:04 | |
that there was no question - we all said "That's the man." | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
Have you any idea what shape the National Theatre will take | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
None at all. Why's that? | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
Because it will need at least 12 months' examination | 0:22:13 | 0:22:18 | |
before there's an inkling of what it will look like. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
'Over and above the problem of solving theatre, | 0:22:23 | 0:22:27 | |
'there is the problem of doing something | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
'worthy of that bend in the river - | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
'immense architectural problems | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
'before you even get down to the technology of the theatre. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:40 | |
Just up here is the highest part of the building. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
'MYSTICAL CHANTING' | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
'My name is Martin.' | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
'I'm a soldier of Spain and that's it.' | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
'Most of my life I've spent fighting for land, treasure | 0:22:58 | 0:23:02 | |
'and the cross.' | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
'I'm worth millions.' | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
'Soon I'll be dead and they'll bury me out here in Peru, | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
'the land I helped ruin as a boy.' | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
'This story is about ruin.' | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
'Ruin and gold.' | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
'More gold than any of you will ever see, | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
'even if you work in a counting house.' | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
'I'm going to tell you how 167 men | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
'conquered an empire of ten million.' | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
This was the National's first new play, by Peter Schaffer. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
He became, really, the house playwright. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
In Royal Hunt Of The Sun, I was dealing with an epic theme, | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
it was highly stylised. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
The dialogue was not naturalistic, | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
we had a lot of effects to help us in the stylisation - | 0:23:49 | 0:23:54 | |
masks, chants and rituals of all sorts. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:58 | |
Royal Hunt was drama, it was spectacle, | 0:23:59 | 0:24:03 | |
there was music in it, | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
it was total theatre. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:08 | |
It was about that time that that phrase came into the language - | 0:24:08 | 0:24:13 | |
"total theatre". Yes. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
I'm not so sure I didn't invent it. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
'MYSTICAL CHANTING' | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
'Bring him the gold of Quito and Pachacamac!' | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
'Bring him the gold of Cusco and Colicanca!' | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
'Bring him the gold of Viltendota!' | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
'Bring him the gold of Colai, of Amarys | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
'and Arrekipa!' | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
The play The Royal Hunt Of The Sun had been around for a long time | 0:24:45 | 0:24:49 | |
before the National Theatre decided to do it | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
and several managements had had it, | 0:24:52 | 0:24:54 | |
but all said it was impossible | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
to present the conquest of Peru | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
on the stage - that you would need a cast of about 60 or 70 | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
and the most extraordinary scenic effects, | 0:25:02 | 0:25:06 | |
but in fact we came to a very simple way of presenting it | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
in that the stage is practically bare and the audience... | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
imagines it all for themselves | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
I played an Indian, covered in Texas earth - | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
it was a body make-up | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
that made you a sort of bronzed brown, | 0:25:26 | 0:25:30 | |
but it glittered, it had pieces of metal in it. Hell to get off | 0:25:30 | 0:25:36 | |
CILLA BLACK: # Walk on by... | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
There I was with a black wig that was rather in the Cilla Black style, | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
like I was looking like an Indian Cilla Black. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
Anyway, I came up the... | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
I had no lines, but I was the interpreter | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
and I had to do lots of hand gestures to interpret. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
'MYSTICAL CHANTING' | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
It was what the National was born to produce - | 0:26:00 | 0:26:05 | |
that kind of play - | 0:26:05 | 0:26:08 | |
and, after it, other plays followed, I think, | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
with that kind of... increasing freedom | 0:26:12 | 0:26:18 | |
and I very proud to be the first. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
Welcome, dear Rosencrantz and Guildenstern. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
Moreover that we much did long to see you. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
The need we have to use you did provoke our hasty sending. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:34 | |
'Something have you heard Of Hamlet's transformation...' | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
You don't seem to feel the need to write socially conscious plays - | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
there are no strikes, no colour problems, no Vietnam war... | 0:26:45 | 0:26:50 | |
No, but I like to think | 0:26:50 | 0:26:52 | |
that a black soldier on strike in Vietnam | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
would get some kind of response from my plays. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
This is the box for Rosencrantz And Guildenstern Are Dead, | 0:27:00 | 0:27:04 | |
Tom Stoppard's great play. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
'Who are you?' 'Rosencrantz And Guildenstern. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
'Never heard of you.' 'Well, we're nobody special.' | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
'We have instructions...' 'First I've heard of it.' | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
'Let me finish! We've come from Denmark.' | 0:27:16 | 0:27:18 | |
'We're delivering Hamlet.' 'Who's he?' | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
'You've heard of him.' 'Yes, I want nothing to do with it.' | 0:27:20 | 0:27:24 | |
Rosencrantz And Guildenstern Are Dead | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
was performed at the Edinburgh Festival in 1966 | 0:27:30 | 0:27:35 | |
it got a particularly good review | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
in the Observer newspaper the following Sunday. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
'Ken Tynan asked if I'd come in and meet him.' | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
We aren't doing Shakespeare, like the Royal Shakespeare Company, | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
or new plays like the Royal Court - we're doing the lot. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
'We're doing Noel Coward, Sophocles, we're doing new authors, | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
'foreign premieres, which I haven't talked about... | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
Ken Tynan had a stutter, | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
which I would describe as an attractive stutter | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
and, although I was by no means an adolescent, | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
I felt adolescent in his presence. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
'I was quite honestly in awe of him | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
'and, to my horror, | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
'I realised I was stuttering back at him, | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
'a sort of sympathetic stutter. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:24 | |
'To sum up, your father, whom you love, dies.' | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
'You are his heir. You come back to find that hardly was the corpse cold | 0:28:31 | 0:28:35 | |
'before his young brother popped onto his throne and into his sheets, | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
'thereby offending both legal and natural practice ' | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
'Now, why exactly are you behaving in this extraordinary manner?' | 0:28:42 | 0:28:46 | |
'LAUGHTER' | 0:28:46 | 0:28:47 | |
And this is the rehearsal room | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
Top floor of the building. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
'During the rehearsals, | 0:28:55 | 0:28:57 | |
'Laurence Olivier would come in not often, | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
'but I do remember him coming in one day | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
'and watching the rehearsal for half an hour.' | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
He got up and went to the door to leave | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
and turned at the door and said | 0:29:10 | 0:29:12 | |
"Just the odd pearl" | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
and left. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
Downstairs is the wardrobe and laundry now. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:25 | |
When the National were here, this was the canteen, | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
just round the corner here. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
'In just a few years, the National had become a major force, | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
'with sell-out productions that rivalled anything in the West End | 0:29:36 | 0:29:41 | |
'or by its main rival, The Royal Shakespeare Company. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
'But the scale of its operation | 0:29:44 | 0:29:46 | |
'was still makeshift and intimate.' | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
Just a bog-standard... wardrobe room - | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
costumes and boxes and bits and pieces. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:57 | |
And all you'd expect from a laundry. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
Wash basins, washing machines, dryers, | 0:30:04 | 0:30:08 | |
the hot box there for speedy dry | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
for various costumes. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:13 | |
Every morning, Olivier and I used to traipse round every department | 0:30:15 | 0:30:22 | |
and that created a good relationship with him. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
'It was very important that he was accessible to people.' | 0:30:25 | 0:30:30 | |
All the administrative offices | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
were in a long kind of prefab hut | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
that had a big rehearsal room at one end, | 0:30:37 | 0:30:41 | |
had a canteen and then had offices going all the way down - | 0:30:41 | 0:30:46 | |
it was the whole block. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
It was all in prefabricated huts and make do and mend - | 0:30:51 | 0:30:56 | |
I remember going into the tiny little green room, which was a cafe | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
with home-made food, with a cigarette machine in the corner | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
that only sold Olivier cigarettes - you had no choice! | 0:31:03 | 0:31:08 | |
As soon as you got into these shabby Nissen huts, | 0:31:08 | 0:31:12 | |
you felt as if you were sitting there with your leather jackets on, | 0:31:12 | 0:31:16 | |
waiting to be told "Right, scramble." | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
'It conferred an informality | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
'on everyone's behaviour | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
'and I think Larry himself behaved | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
'like a commander in chief of an air flight.' | 0:31:27 | 0:31:31 | |
BEATLES: # Found my way downstairs and drank a cup | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
'Puffing and globbering, they dragged theyselves, | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
'rampling and dancing with wild abdomen, | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
'stubbing in wild postumes amongst themselves.' | 0:31:43 | 0:31:48 | |
'They seemed Olivier to the world about them.' | 0:31:48 | 0:31:53 | |
'By the late '60s, | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
'the National was even starting to attract pop royalty.' | 0:31:57 | 0:32:01 | |
'Lennon had published those poems in his own right | 0:32:03 | 0:32:07 | |
'and he and Victor worked on a way of making them a little play.' | 0:32:07 | 0:32:12 | |
I was playing the John Lennon character, | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
the centre of these poems that he wrote when he was a kid | 0:32:17 | 0:32:22 | |
'Funny thing, you didn't put in pop music.' | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
'No, because up till then it hadn't hit me.' | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
Pop music didn't hit me till I was 16 and this is all before 16. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:34 | |
It's not really John's childhood, it's all of ours, isn't it? | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
It is. We're all one, aren't we | 0:32:38 | 0:32:40 | |
# I read the news today, oh, boy... | 0:32:40 | 0:32:44 | |
'The National was now staging plays that confronted contemporary issues, | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
'like class and colonialism, took an irreverent approach to the classics | 0:32:48 | 0:32:54 | |
'and reflected the enormous social changes happening at the time. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
The recognisable modernity | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
of the productions that went on at the National Theatre | 0:33:01 | 0:33:05 | |
wouldn't have been even conceivable in the years before the War. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:10 | |
It was part and parcel | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
of a fundamental widespread transformation | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
of artistic life and social life, | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
which were the consequence of our recovering from the Second World War | 0:33:20 | 0:33:25 | |
and the establishment of the National Health Service | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
and of free education. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:30 | |
'It was a change in attitude towards authority, | 0:33:30 | 0:33:34 | |
'towards respectability.' | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
It was not Olivier's idea, | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
I think he did it often rather reluctantly | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
because he was a creature OF the old days. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
'Ken Tynan, on the other hand, | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
'basked in the new hedonistic atmosphere.' | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
'He fostered a series of productions | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
'that reflected the permissiveness of the times | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
'and extended the boundaries of what was acceptable | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
'on the stage of the National. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
When I did the production of Oedipus, | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
I had a tremendous clash with Olivier | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
because the adaptation was done by Ted Hughes, | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
it was in a strong,... | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
..sometimes brutal, outrageously... living language | 0:34:17 | 0:34:23 | |
very far from what were | 0:34:23 | 0:34:25 | |
the "correct" versions of a Greek tragedy of those days. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:30 | |
'Anger! Agony!' | 0:34:30 | 0:34:32 | |
'Tearing his throat!' | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
'His fingers stabbed | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
'deep into his eye sockets!' | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
I was The Messenger. Wonderful part - | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
just the one speech. You come on and tell the story of him | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
plucking out his eyes. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:51 | |
'His hands hooked, | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
'gripped the eyeballs | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
'and he tugged, | 0:35:00 | 0:35:02 | |
'twisting, | 0:35:02 | 0:35:04 | |
'dragging with all his strength | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
'till they gave way | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
'and he flung them from him!' | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
And then, in the end of the play, | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
you know the story of the penis I imagine. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
At the end, you produce an enormous golden phallic symbol - | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
it is possible that you could be accused of tastelessness. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:28 | |
In this play, we put on the stage, at the end of the ceremony, | 0:35:28 | 0:35:33 | |
the very object which, in antiquity, | 0:35:33 | 0:35:37 | |
in the Greek theatre, in the Roman theatre, | 0:35:37 | 0:35:41 | |
was the central... object | 0:35:41 | 0:35:46 | |
round which theatre ceremonies unfolded. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:50 | |
Nobody blows raspberries at it | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
nobody writes graffiti on it, nobody kisses or licks it - | 0:35:52 | 0:35:56 | |
it stands there in the light as it has done all through history, | 0:35:56 | 0:36:00 | |
making no comment and no demands. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
It is a phallus. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
WHOOPING | 0:36:06 | 0:36:08 | |
UPBEAT JAZZ | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
Peter wanted to end the play by bringing on stage a golden phallus | 0:36:13 | 0:36:17 | |
and then the whole cast would march around the auditorium, | 0:36:17 | 0:36:21 | |
playing and singing "Yes, we have no bananas" | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
and, for Sir Laurence, this orgiastic finale stuck in his throat | 0:36:24 | 0:36:29 | |
and he summoned Peter Brook and me | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
for a conversation that went on for about five hours | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
with a considerable consumption of Scotch | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
and I recall Peter picking up a very heavy, solid glass ashtray | 0:36:37 | 0:36:42 | |
from the table here | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
and physically throwing it at Sir Laurence. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
'There was only one major incident, | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
'at the schools' matinee.' | 0:36:51 | 0:36:53 | |
At the end of the play, I went on and said | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
"The rest of the play is something that many of your teachers | 0:36:56 | 0:37:00 | |
"think you should be spared from seeing and they want to protect you, | 0:37:00 | 0:37:05 | |
"so would the teachers and the classes who can't take it | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
"now please walk out?" | 0:37:09 | 0:37:11 | |
So a small number got out | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
and the rest stayed there and the play went on. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
And I don't think anyone suffered as a result. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:21 | |
THE KINKS: # Dirty old river, must you keep rolling | 0:37:23 | 0:37:27 | |
# Rolling into the night | 0:37:27 | 0:37:31 | |
# People so busy, make me feel dizzy | 0:37:32 | 0:37:36 | |
# Taxi lights shine so bright.. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:40 | |
'Architect Denys Lasdun's plan for a large, new Modernist building | 0:37:40 | 0:37:44 | |
'incorporating three separate stages on the South Bank of the Thames | 0:37:44 | 0:37:48 | |
'was finally unveiled in October 1967.' | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
In all times in our history, we need a heartening thing - | 0:37:55 | 0:38:00 | |
the most beautiful building in the ideal spot on the River Thames | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
in the heart of our capital city, | 0:38:03 | 0:38:06 | |
I think, will give a great feeling of pride | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
to all these islands' inhabitants | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
and if ever they needed that feeling, it's now. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
# Waterloo sunset's fine... | 0:38:15 | 0:38:20 | |
'Lasdun's building is now widely regarded | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
'as an architectural masterpiece.' | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
'But at the time, Olivier was forced to defend its brutalism and its cost | 0:38:25 | 0:38:30 | |
'to a very aggressive press.' | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
Would you argue for it to be given priority over hospitals and schools? | 0:38:32 | 0:38:38 | |
I wouldn't argue that anything should get priority over hospitals | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
or schools or houses, | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
but point out that, in Germany it would be given priority | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
over all those three things. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
You're not to have anything to drink today, it's bad for you. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
Dear lady, I'm perfectly all right. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:54 | |
All the same, don't you dare have anything to drink. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:58 | |
'In 1967, | 0:38:58 | 0:39:00 | |
'Olivier was diagnosed with prostate cancer | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
'and spent several weeks in hospital.' | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
He was taken ill when we were doing the Three Sisters | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
and really, from then on, | 0:39:11 | 0:39:13 | |
he should've been relieved of a bit more... work. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:17 | |
But he didn't want to be. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
# For love, for love... | 0:39:19 | 0:39:21 | |
It was St Thomas' Hospital he was in and he had a direct line | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
through to the prompt corner so that he knew what was going on. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:30 | |
So even then, he was on stage with us. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
Good evening. I'm Dr Kilmore. And about time too - | 0:39:33 | 0:39:37 | |
if this is the National Health Service, take me to the leeches | 0:39:37 | 0:39:41 | |
I'm sorry I kept you waiting, Mr... | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
Bigger, Doctor. Mr Francis Bigger. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
Bigger. Francis Bigger? | 0:39:46 | 0:39:48 | |
Wait a minute, that rings a bell. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
You're that chap who says doctors and medicine are unnecessary. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:56 | |
Now, this is the lift | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
that takes us up to the very first room | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
that I ended up in on my first day here. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
'Well, in the end, Mr Mackie's heart stopped three times.' | 0:40:07 | 0:40:12 | |
'And three times I brought him back.' | 0:40:12 | 0:40:14 | |
'They were fetching the artificial respirator when it stopped again | 0:40:14 | 0:40:19 | |
'and some daring soul decided to call it a day.' | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
'Well, I'm sure I speak for all of those who new him in life | 0:40:24 | 0:40:28 | |
'when I say that he will be remembered | 0:40:28 | 0:40:30 | |
'as an evil-tempered, repulsive old man.' | 0:40:30 | 0:40:35 | |
This is it, yes. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
What memories. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
This is the first room I came into with The National Health. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:45 | |
It's the only play I know where they sprayed the stage with antiseptic | 0:40:45 | 0:40:49 | |
so that, when the curtain went up, it smelled like a hospital. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:53 | |
'I played the ward orderly called Barnet.' | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
My last line in that play was looking at the audience, saying | 0:40:59 | 0:41:04 | |
"It's a funny old world we live in | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
"and you're lucky to get out of it alive." | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
And then we had a jazz band playing at the end. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:12 | |
It was a play not to Olivier's taste - | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
it was very sceptical, very funny, very disrespectful of authority | 0:41:15 | 0:41:19 | |
He'd just been cured of cancer | 0:41:19 | 0:41:22 | |
and there was a very ironic picture of a consultant | 0:41:22 | 0:41:26 | |
doing the round of the wards with all his young doctors behind him. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
'He has had an enlargement of the prostate | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
'with hesitancy of micturition and acute retention.' | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
'I did a retropubic prostatectomy and put a catheter in his bladder.' | 0:41:37 | 0:41:43 | |
'Why?' | 0:41:43 | 0:41:45 | |
'LAUGHTER' | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
'It was sceptical of the whole structure of British authority | 0:41:47 | 0:41:52 | |
'and I don't think Olivier much cared for that.' | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
A pound of man's flesh taken from a man is not so estimable | 0:41:55 | 0:41:59 | |
profitable neither, as flesh of muttons, beefs or goats. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:03 | |
I say to buy his favour I extend this friendship - | 0:42:03 | 0:42:07 | |
if he will take it, so... | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
'When he returned to the helm, Olivier continued to oversee | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
'every aspect of the theatre | 0:42:12 | 0:42:14 | |
'and to star in many of its productions.' | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
The quality of mercy is not strained. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:21 | |
It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven upon the place beneath. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:26 | |
It is twice blest. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
It blesseth him that gives and him that takes. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:34 | |
Laurence Olivier said | 0:42:34 | 0:42:36 | |
"my wife Joan Plowright would love you to work with her | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
"when she plays Portia in The Merchant Of Venice" | 0:42:39 | 0:42:43 | |
and I said "Well, that's very nice, | 0:42:43 | 0:42:45 | |
"I'd better come and talk about it." | 0:42:45 | 0:42:48 | |
I wonder how many of these people have realised | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
that Jonathan Miller's a Jew. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
Yes, well, he is a Jew, of course, | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
but one of the better sort. | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
I'd rather be working class than a Jew. Yes, there's no comparison. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:05 | |
In fact, I'm not really a Jew. Just Jew-ish. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
Not the whole hog, you see. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:10 | |
For a time, Larry was just a bit indifferent | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
to Jonathan's charms and fun way of working | 0:43:14 | 0:43:19 | |
and also he was a bit cross because Jonathan had said | 0:43:19 | 0:43:24 | |
"It doesn't really need a false nose", | 0:43:24 | 0:43:28 | |
which he put on and had a lot of fun with. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:31 | |
He already had a set of false teeth | 0:43:31 | 0:43:34 | |
which he wore as Shylock | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
to make his face look different | 0:43:37 | 0:43:40 | |
Gradually, I got him to make him play it simpler | 0:43:41 | 0:43:44 | |
like a businessman who happened to be Jewish, | 0:43:44 | 0:43:47 | |
so I didn't have the heart to say "Come on, Larry, give up the teeth." | 0:43:47 | 0:43:52 | |
'Hath not a Jew... eyes?' | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
'Hath not a Jew hands?' | 0:43:57 | 0:44:00 | |
Organs? Dimensions? | 0:44:00 | 0:44:03 | |
Senses? | 0:44:03 | 0:44:05 | |
'He was, in fact, suffering from memory loss at that time | 0:44:05 | 0:44:09 | |
'he had moments when he did lose the various things which a Jew hath ' | 0:44:09 | 0:44:14 | |
"Hath not a Jew eyes?" and then he forgot the rest of the speech, | 0:44:14 | 0:44:18 | |
improvised and said "Hath not a Jew eyes?" | 0:44:18 | 0:44:21 | |
"Hath not a Jew... | 0:44:21 | 0:44:24 | |
"..elbows?"! | 0:44:24 | 0:44:27 | |
He was coming back after quite a long absence | 0:44:28 | 0:44:32 | |
and he was very, very frightened | 0:44:32 | 0:44:35 | |
and I remember Jonathan coming into my dressing room | 0:44:35 | 0:44:39 | |
and saying "What shall I do? He doesn't seem ready to go on stage, | 0:44:39 | 0:44:43 | |
"in fact he says very shortly he's going to go out of the stage door | 0:44:43 | 0:44:46 | |
"and get on the first bus. Can you help?" | 0:44:46 | 0:44:49 | |
'And I said "No, I shall probably go and get on the bus with him. ' | 0:44:49 | 0:44:54 | |
The first and last verses of The Red Flag. | 0:44:56 | 0:45:00 | |
ORGAN INTRODUCTION | 0:45:00 | 0:45:02 | |
# The people's flag... | 0:45:02 | 0:45:05 | |
'Harold Wilson's Labour government | 0:45:05 | 0:45:07 | |
'had allocated ?7.5 million for the new National Theatre building - | 0:45:07 | 0:45:12 | |
'one of its last grand gestures | 0:45:12 | 0:45:14 | |
'before being voted out of office in 1970.' | 0:45:14 | 0:45:18 | |
The National Theatre is your flag flying high, | 0:45:18 | 0:45:23 | |
the ambition of every great producer and actor | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
to be performing in this theatre. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:28 | |
'Naturally, we're entitled to thank Sir Laurence Olivier | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
'for his wonderful work | 0:45:35 | 0:45:38 | |
'and he'd be the first to say that he wants the work that he has begun | 0:45:38 | 0:45:41 | |
'carried forward indefinitely into the future.' | 0:45:41 | 0:45:45 | |
Wouldn't you have liked to see it years earlier at a reduced cost | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
Of course I would, but don't hold me responsible for that. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:52 | |
'The question of whom might take over from Olivier as director | 0:45:57 | 0:46:01 | |
'was beginning to be asked, | 0:46:01 | 0:46:03 | |
'but he had made no provision for appointing a successor.' | 0:46:03 | 0:46:08 | |
My recent illness, there's been a lot of guesswork going on | 0:46:08 | 0:46:11 | |
about when I'll retire and who's going to take over - | 0:46:11 | 0:46:14 | |
I assure you that if anybody wants to take over | 0:46:14 | 0:46:18 | |
or if anybody has thought to have more the qualities necessary | 0:46:18 | 0:46:22 | |
to take over, I would be the happiest man in the world | 0:46:22 | 0:46:26 | |
and to welcome them absolutely | 0:46:26 | 0:46:28 | |
with the heartiest and sincerest of welcomes. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:32 | |
I don't think Olivier thought | 0:46:33 | 0:46:37 | |
anybody could do better than him... | 0:46:37 | 0:46:40 | |
..and therefore he thought he was kind of impregnable. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:45 | |
'The National, having got off to an amazing start, | 0:46:48 | 0:46:52 | |
'inevitably, as all theatres must, | 0:46:52 | 0:46:55 | |
'began to dip.' | 0:46:55 | 0:46:57 | |
It was no longer new, it was spending a lot of money | 0:46:57 | 0:47:01 | |
the shows didn't attract audiences, there was criticism in the press | 0:47:01 | 0:47:05 | |
and Olivier had been very sick | 0:47:05 | 0:47:08 | |
'We went to watch them and I tried to get a few words | 0:47:08 | 0:47:12 | |
'with one of the co-stars Laurence Olivier, but he needed persuading.' | 0:47:12 | 0:47:16 | |
It's an invasion of privacy! | 0:47:16 | 0:47:18 | |
He knew well that he would have to have a successor chosen soon, | 0:47:18 | 0:47:23 | |
but he wanted to choose it himself. | 0:47:23 | 0:47:26 | |
'It was not... pleasantly done. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:32 | |
'Peter Hall is the managing director of the Royal Shakespeare Company.' | 0:47:36 | 0:47:40 | |
'It has two theatres - London's Aldwych and this one in Stratford, | 0:47:40 | 0:47:43 | |
'which is the centre of operations, and we did most of the filming here | 0:47:43 | 0:47:48 | |
'at the time when Peter Hall was beginning to rehearse Macbeth.' | 0:47:48 | 0:47:51 | |
'Without consulting Olivier himself, | 0:47:53 | 0:47:55 | |
'the board of the National began to look for a successor as director.' | 0:47:55 | 0:48:00 | |
'The obvious candidate was Peter Hall, | 0:48:00 | 0:48:03 | |
'the hugely successful founder of the National's main rival, | 0:48:03 | 0:48:06 | |
'the Royal Shakespeare Company. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:09 | |
I want to put certain ideas into your heads... | 0:48:09 | 0:48:14 | |
..about my feeling about the play | 0:48:15 | 0:48:18 | |
so that you will know from what basis | 0:48:18 | 0:48:22 | |
I am selecting what happens. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:25 | |
English theatre at that time came from two distinct strains | 0:48:27 | 0:48:31 | |
it came from Guthrie, | 0:48:31 | 0:48:34 | |
the Old Vic, the great actor knights - | 0:48:34 | 0:48:37 | |
that kind of performance-based theatre - | 0:48:37 | 0:48:40 | |
and the Peter Hall theatre, | 0:48:40 | 0:48:43 | |
which was rooted very much in academia | 0:48:43 | 0:48:46 | |
and in all sorts of orthodoxes | 0:48:46 | 0:48:48 | |
that I was very sceptical about | 0:48:48 | 0:48:51 | |
and the whole cult of the director, which was at its height then. | 0:48:51 | 0:48:56 | |
Ken used to describe the Royal Shakespeare Company as Roundheads | 0:48:56 | 0:49:01 | |
and the National as Cavaliers | 0:49:01 | 0:49:03 | |
and you like them according to taste - | 0:49:03 | 0:49:06 | |
I was on the side of the Cavaliers, I suppose. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:10 | |
'There is, for better or worse | 0:49:10 | 0:49:13 | |
'a way in which we do plays.' | 0:49:13 | 0:49:16 | |
When I first came to work here as a freelance director, | 0:49:16 | 0:49:19 | |
you didn't talk to actors about their text. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:23 | |
I mean, it was an infringement on their technique, | 0:49:23 | 0:49:27 | |
they knew their job. Of course, they didn't. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:30 | |
There were rumours | 0:49:35 | 0:49:37 | |
that Peter Hall had already been asked | 0:49:37 | 0:49:41 | |
while Larry was suggesting people. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:45 | |
They didn't keep me in their midst - I don't know why - | 0:49:46 | 0:49:51 | |
they didn't want me around when they made the final choice | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
Of course, I suppose | 0:49:54 | 0:49:57 | |
they had this big, big idea of Peter Hall all the time - | 0:49:57 | 0:50:00 | |
it never occurred to me. To me Peter Hall was a friendly enemy | 0:50:00 | 0:50:06 | |
a friendly rival, I should say | 0:50:06 | 0:50:09 | |
Yes, it's when we get a "Look out, this is going to be rrr!" - | 0:50:11 | 0:50:16 | |
that's what we don't want because we've had that. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:21 | |
All I mean is that you're trying to convince him to do it. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:27 | |
I remember vividly when Lord Rayne and Lord Goodman | 0:50:28 | 0:50:32 | |
asked me, off the record, | 0:50:32 | 0:50:35 | |
if I would run as... the new director | 0:50:35 | 0:50:39 | |
when Lord Olivier... gave up. | 0:50:39 | 0:50:44 | |
It was a job I certainly didn't want and I'm not being precious about it, | 0:50:46 | 0:50:51 | |
because obviously it was going to be hell, which it was. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:55 | |
'Olivier made no secret of the fact that he felt he had been ignored | 0:51:01 | 0:51:06 | |
'and even betrayed by his own board.' | 0:51:06 | 0:51:09 | |
I think it was treachery in the highest order, | 0:51:11 | 0:51:14 | |
it involved so many people, | 0:51:14 | 0:51:17 | |
and I think they were concerned | 0:51:17 | 0:51:19 | |
that Tynan would start a rearguard action | 0:51:19 | 0:51:23 | |
and... there would be a huge uproar,... | 0:51:23 | 0:51:27 | |
..which there still was, but it had been done by then | 0:51:28 | 0:51:33 | |
and Larry had had to just swallow it | 0:51:33 | 0:51:37 | |
and say | 0:51:37 | 0:51:39 | |
"Well, Peter Hall is a perfectly respectable director, | 0:51:39 | 0:51:44 | |
"I'll behave properly." | 0:51:44 | 0:51:47 | |
I have the greatest pride in the fact | 0:51:48 | 0:51:52 | |
that my successor is a man of such enormous talent | 0:51:52 | 0:51:56 | |
as Peter Hall. | 0:51:56 | 0:51:58 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:51:58 | 0:52:00 | |
I gladly face not having an acre of land to my name, | 0:52:05 | 0:52:10 | |
nor a penny in the bank - | 0:52:10 | 0:52:12 | |
I'd be willing to have no home but the poorhouse in my old age | 0:52:12 | 0:52:16 | |
if I could look back now | 0:52:16 | 0:52:18 | |
on having been | 0:52:18 | 0:52:21 | |
the fine artist... | 0:52:21 | 0:52:24 | |
..I might've been. | 0:52:25 | 0:52:27 | |
We had one flop after another. We had it running a debt of ?100,0 0, | 0:52:32 | 0:52:36 | |
which, at that time, was a lot of money. | 0:52:36 | 0:52:39 | |
The sure way of getting people to come to the theatre | 0:52:39 | 0:52:43 | |
was to put Olivier on stage. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:45 | |
In rehearsals, | 0:52:47 | 0:52:49 | |
Michael was hugely aware that, on this occasion, | 0:52:49 | 0:52:52 | |
really, it did need to be a big success. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:55 | |
'And with Sir Laurence himself he said | 0:52:56 | 0:53:00 | |
'"I don't need to tell him what the scene's about or how to act | 0:53:00 | 0:53:04 | |
'"but just got to control him and make him feel all right", | 0:53:04 | 0:53:08 | |
'which wasn't always easy | 0:53:08 | 0:53:11 | |
'in that he was, by then, | 0:53:11 | 0:53:14 | |
'endearingly and sometimes frighteningly vulnerable.' | 0:53:14 | 0:53:18 | |
The first night I played Othello, | 0:53:20 | 0:53:23 | |
HE said | 0:53:23 | 0:53:26 | |
to our manager... | 0:53:26 | 0:53:29 | |
"That young man | 0:53:30 | 0:53:32 | |
"is playing Othello | 0:53:32 | 0:53:34 | |
"better than I ever did." | 0:53:34 | 0:53:38 | |
And he had one of the great triumphs of his career | 0:53:40 | 0:53:43 | |
and we played to capacity | 0:53:43 | 0:53:46 | |
and then had hit after hit after hit | 0:53:46 | 0:53:48 | |
and, within six months, we were back in the black. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:52 | |
'Everybody had said he was over | 0:53:58 | 0:54:01 | |
'and unexpectedly, certainly from the board's point of view | 0:54:01 | 0:54:04 | |
'back came this man at full throttle.' | 0:54:04 | 0:54:07 | |
'It was exciting | 0:54:07 | 0:54:09 | |
'and the wonderfully, almost perverse, turn in his career | 0:54:09 | 0:54:14 | |
'that he could manage.' | 0:54:14 | 0:54:16 | |
The ceremony that you are about to take part in | 0:54:16 | 0:54:20 | |
and to which I am happy to welcome you | 0:54:20 | 0:54:23 | |
is a thoroughly pagan matter. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:25 | |
It is an understatement when I say to you | 0:54:25 | 0:54:29 | |
that I am very happy | 0:54:29 | 0:54:31 | |
to be here today. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:34 | |
'Eventually, in 1973, | 0:54:40 | 0:54:42 | |
'Peter Hall took over as director of the National | 0:54:42 | 0:54:46 | |
'and Olivier gave a final performance | 0:54:46 | 0:54:49 | |
'before retiring from the theatre altogether.' | 0:54:49 | 0:54:52 | |
Next Thursday at the National Theatre, starring Lord Olivier | 0:54:53 | 0:54:57 | |
there's a play I have commissioned | 0:54:57 | 0:54:59 | |
called The Party by Trevor Griffiths, | 0:54:59 | 0:55:02 | |
which is about the possibility | 0:55:02 | 0:55:04 | |
of socialist revolution in this country - | 0:55:04 | 0:55:07 | |
one of the most mature plays about English politics that I know of | 0:55:07 | 0:55:11 | |
We have the production box for The Party, | 0:55:11 | 0:55:15 | |
Olivier's last performance for the National Theatre as John Tagg, | 0:55:15 | 0:55:19 | |
a Marxist trade unionist. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:21 | |
He did the most extraordinary thing in that play - | 0:55:21 | 0:55:25 | |
at the curtain call, | 0:55:25 | 0:55:28 | |
Peter Hall came on | 0:55:28 | 0:55:31 | |
to shake his hand | 0:55:31 | 0:55:33 | |
and Larry looked very startled when he saw him, | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
but he still went ahead with what he was going to do, | 0:55:36 | 0:55:40 | |
which was his farewell ritual. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:42 | |
He actually knelt down and kissed the stage. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:46 | |
And that was HIS farewell. | 0:55:47 | 0:55:51 | |
'He was kissing his mistress.. | 0:55:51 | 0:55:53 | |
'goodbye.' | 0:55:53 | 0:55:55 | |
'My story being done.' | 0:56:04 | 0:56:06 | |
'She gave me for my pains | 0:56:06 | 0:56:08 | |
'a world of sighs.' | 0:56:08 | 0:56:11 | |
'She swore, in faith, 'twas strange, 'twas passing strange, | 0:56:11 | 0:56:16 | |
''Twas pitiful, 'twas wondrous pitiful.' | 0:56:16 | 0:56:21 | |
'She wished she had not heard it, | 0:56:21 | 0:56:23 | |
'yet she wished | 0:56:23 | 0:56:26 | |
'heaven had made her | 0:56:26 | 0:56:29 | |
'such a man.' | 0:56:29 | 0:56:31 | |
'For a while, | 0:56:39 | 0:56:41 | |
'it was one of the best companies in the world.' | 0:56:41 | 0:56:46 | |
'It seemed like | 0:56:46 | 0:56:48 | |
'a very privileged lot of people.' | 0:56:48 | 0:56:51 | |
Indeed we were and indeed it had wonderful results. | 0:56:51 | 0:56:56 | |
But when you move | 0:56:56 | 0:56:59 | |
from that Old Vic special place | 0:56:59 | 0:57:02 | |
to a big, modern complex with three theatres, | 0:57:02 | 0:57:06 | |
the National Theatre now has to be open to all comers | 0:57:06 | 0:57:10 | |
and though there will be actors and of course directors... | 0:57:10 | 0:57:14 | |
..who keep coming back, | 0:57:15 | 0:57:18 | |
there is not a permanent company any more | 0:57:18 | 0:57:21 | |
and nor could there be. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:24 | |
'When you were first asked to be director of the National Theatre, | 0:57:26 | 0:57:30 | |
'was this your first thought - to create that sort of company? | 0:57:30 | 0:57:34 | |
Forming a company, helping it along, | 0:57:35 | 0:57:37 | |
serving it, | 0:57:37 | 0:57:39 | |
leading it, if you like - | 0:57:39 | 0:57:41 | |
not necessarily so. | 0:57:41 | 0:57:44 | |
That's the most exciting thing | 0:57:44 | 0:57:46 | |
I think a man can do. | 0:57:46 | 0:57:48 | |
'Soft you, | 0:57:48 | 0:57:50 | |
'a word or two before you go.' | 0:57:50 | 0:57:52 | |
'I have done the state some service | 0:57:53 | 0:57:56 | |
'and they know it.' | 0:57:56 | 0:57:59 | |
'No more of that.' | 0:58:00 | 0:58:02 | |
'I pray you, | 0:58:02 | 0:58:05 | |
'in your letters, | 0:58:05 | 0:58:07 | |
'when you shall these unlucky deeds relate, | 0:58:07 | 0:58:12 | |
'speak of them as they are.' | 0:58:12 | 0:58:14 | |
'Nothing extenuate, | 0:58:14 | 0:58:17 | |
'nor set down aught in malice. | 0:58:17 | 0:58:20 | |
'Then must you speak | 0:58:21 | 0:58:24 | |
'of one that loved not wisely, | 0:58:24 | 0:58:27 | |
'but too well.' | 0:58:27 | 0:58:30 | |
What do we want?! | 0:58:30 | 0:58:32 | |
'In part two - the National's move into Denys Lasdun's new building | 0:58:32 | 0:58:38 | |
'proves fraught with dangers | 0:58:38 | 0:58:40 | |
'and Peter Hall faces battles | 0:58:40 | 0:58:42 | |
'that are even harder to win than Laurence Olivier's.' | 0:58:42 | 0:58:45 | |
It's only in retrospect that one can say it was OK - | 0:58:46 | 0:58:51 | |
damn nearly wasn't. | 0:58:51 | 0:58:54 | |
'That was the thing that all of us were frightened of - | 0:58:54 | 0:58:57 | |
'that it would actually just be stopped, | 0:58:57 | 0:59:00 | |
'we wouldn't have enough money, the board would resign, that'd be it.' | 0:59:00 | 0:59:05 |