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This programme contains some strong language.

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Ai Weiwei, China's most politically outspoken artist

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was arrested in April

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accused of economic crimes.

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His imprisonment sparked an international campaign

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for his freedom.

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Released after 11 weeks of detention and unable to comment on his case,

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speculation remains about the motivation for his arrest.

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If you question about the Communist authority,

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or if you're questioning basic human rights,

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then you are not free.

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Now, more than ever, his work is admired and acclaimed

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throughout the world.

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But he is still best known for this,

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the Bird's Nest Olympic Stadium, in Beijing.

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Tonight's Imagine - first shown last year before his arrest -

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followed Ai Weiwei as he created a new work for Tate Modern,

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made from 100 million porcelain sunflower seeds.

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A portrait of a man pioneering in his art

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and fearless in his politics.

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Ai Weiwei is, to my mind, the most significant Chinese artist

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that certainly we are aware of in the West.

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He's articulate. He's passionate.

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He goes to the edge. He's unafraid of criticising the politics

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and the situation in his own country.

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Nor indeed is he afraid of criticising western capitalism

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in some way, either.

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He is a unique figure.

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He's not only an artist.

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He's not only a scholar.

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He's a photographer. He designs clothes.

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He's a specialist in precious stones.

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He's an antique furniture dealer.

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He is an architect. He's a landscape architect.

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I mean, the list is endless.

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There a reason why there's not many people like Ai Weiwei in China, and the reason is that it's very risky.

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At his studio in Beijing, Ai Weiwei spends much of his day on Twitter,

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a website banned in China.

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Before it was shut down by the Chinese authorities,

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his previous blog was followed by hundreds of thousands.

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In a country where his views are rarely published,

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it gives him a vital cultural space to exchange ideas.

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And it's raised his profile, with a growing fan base.

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TRANSLATION:

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THEY SPEAK CHINESE

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This set is marble works on the...

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It's a kind of camera they put out in front of my door by undercover police.

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So, they're really monitoring my activity, tapping my telephone.

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I think it's kind of intimidating me.

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They see this kind of camera everywhere now,

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so I think this is really a very important object of our time.

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I see many people - other people, who have much less activities -

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being put away and, you know, sentenced.

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And also some people who relate to me also being put in jail.

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So...

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If you think about it, you'll lose your sleep.

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It's kind of terrifying.

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Since I was denied permission from the Chinese government

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to interview Ai Weiwei in Beijing,

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I had no alternative but to use his favoured medium,

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the Internet, until we could eventually meet in London.

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It's very nice to meet you.

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You know, I wanted to come but I couldn't come. There was...

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-'So, er...'

-Yes.

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You're used to communicating in this way, I take it?

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I start to...in love with this kind of meetings.

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Because this is the way to express yourself freely

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in a way that you couldn't otherwise, or you're not personally able to do?

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Ah, yes. In many cases, this is the only way - only channel.

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And you can really express yourself clearly,

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and very direct.

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Is that expression - that ability to express yourself -

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an important part of who you are

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and what you have been all your life as an artist?

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Yes, I realise this is, er...

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a core value for artists,

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to fight for your rights and to clearly express who you are,

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and to, again and again, emphasise on that.

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Ai Weiwei has always been outspoken,

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but a recent project put him in direct confrontation with the government.

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An earthquake in the Sichuan province in 2008

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caused many school buildings to collapse,

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resulting in the death of thousands of children.

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In response, Ai Weiwei made a work from 9,000 children's rucksacks,

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covering the entire facade of the Museum of Art in Munich.

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It spelt out the heartfelt words of one grieving mother,

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whose child was killed in the earthquake.

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AI WEIWEI:

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Hundreds of schools collapsed while the surrounding buildings remained standing,

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which convinced many people that the schools hadn't been properly constructed.

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In the ruins, there were only schoolbags left and sometimes,

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even names were withdrawn from these schoolbags -

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children's schoolbags - and of course the young victims

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got buried immediately, without the parents having the chance, anyway, to identify.

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So, Ai Weiwei took up action and very simple -

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he wanted to have names.

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This chart we put on the wall is the names of those students

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who...died in this, er, earthquake.

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Those information has been considered as a state secret,

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and never given out.

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He asked followers of his blog

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to choose one name each and read it out.

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VOICES READ THE STUDENTS' NAMES

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So, gradually, it generated too much heat

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and the government cannot bury this heat,

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so they shut off my blog.

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One campaigner, Tan Zuoren, was arrested,

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charged with revealing state secrets.

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During the trial, Ai Weiwei travelled to Chengdu

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to testify in his defence and, as ever, documented his experiences.

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TRANSLATION:

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TRANSLATION:

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BANGING

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About 3,000 police just rushed into this hotel

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and they kicked down the door very violently, and we had an argument.

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I asked them to show me their badge

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and for what reason they come to the hotel. They beat me.

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They locked us in the hotel until the court finished.

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After the encounter, Ai Weiwei was suffering from severe headaches,

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but travelled to Germany

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for the opening of a major new exhibition of his work.

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The very moment he arrived in Munich, he had such a headache

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that we decided to have him checked out,

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and he stayed in hospital after for about two weeks and a half.

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The doctor said, "You have to stay and do the operation right away,

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"because this is very dangerous.

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-"You have blood in your..."

-Your brain.

-Yeah.

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And later the doctor told me,

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if he didn't do it immediately I may just die.

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Today at his studio, Ai Weiwei examines some newly finished works.

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His interest in the cultural traditions of China

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has led him to explore the use of ceramic in his artwork.

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But for Ai Weiwei, creation and destruction go hand in hand.

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It's not good.

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I mean, it still feels very painful,

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but still, it comes to a point where you just have to do it, you know.

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It's more like self-punishing, to...

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To really perform with some kind of standard.

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Yeah, it is. The whole process is very frustrating.

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Born in 1957, Ai Weiwei grew up during a turbulent period in China's political history.

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The Cultural Revolution that began in the mid '60s

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was the name given to Mao's Tse-Tung's attempt to impose his vision of a classless society,

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and to eliminate all those he suspected of undermining his authority.

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He singled out enemies such as landlords, counter revolutionaries,

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rightists, foreign agents, capitalists and intellectuals.

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Millions were forced into manual labour and tens of thousands executed.

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Anything that has, er, traces about the past,

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or has sentiment about the past, has to be destroyed.

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Chairman Mao had a slogan about that we can destroy old world,

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and we can also build a new world.

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But building a new world has to be based on destroying the old world,

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so this is almost like a black-and-white situation.

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Ai Weiwei was born the same year that his father became the target

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for this intense political campaign,

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and so his entire life was defined by his father's persecution.

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Ai Weiwei's father, Ai Qing, was a distinguished revolutionary poet

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and a member of the Communist Party.

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He advised Mao on literary policy and wrote a poem that praised him.

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But his devotion to the party was called into question in 1956,

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when he wrote The Gardener's Dream, a short work of allegorical prose

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that told the story of a rose gardener

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who realised he was discriminating against other flowers.

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Despite its subtle theme, the work was seen as counter-revolutionary.

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Ai Qing was stripped of his titles and sent into exile with his family,

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to a remote region of China at the edge of the Gobi desert.

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If you were branded a rightist,

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your family became what was called a black family.

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So...within society,

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you were known to be a family that people weren't supposed to talk to.

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You were ostracised.

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For next 20 years, he couldn't write anything, you know -

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it's not allowed to use his name to write.

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He was punished to doing the hard labour.

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To clean the public toilets, certain of them, and, er...

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Which was considered a most insulting and unbearable work.

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They lived underground, real underground.

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They would dig a hole underground and were living there.

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Of course we have to make bricks ourself, you know,

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to dig the earth to make the mould and make the bricks and fire,

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and take it out, so I know all the process

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and I built my own bookshelves and my own bed.

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So you start to learn everything from a very early age.

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Ai Weiwei, I think, found refuge in some sense with his hands.

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I mean, he became almost obsessively interested in crafting things.

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He would make all kinds of home-made inventions.

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Of course, when we grew up it's not a fashion to talk about art or literature.

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And he burned all his books

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because the Red Guard would come any time to check on those books,

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so you'd better burn, otherwise constantly trouble you're in.

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The government controlled everything,

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and the art was part of that.

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Many of the artists were put in what they called cow sheds,

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which was a kind of prison, and they were given animal names.

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They were called snakes and mules.

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Students used to take off their belts and whip them.

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They stood in an airplane position,

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which is like this, for hours on end.

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So artists could only function as propaganda painters.

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Only approved subjects and approved styles.

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For 30 years, really, that was the art scene.

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It's interesting, this motif,

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which was so popular, which is this motif of the sunflower.

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First of all, the idea of sunflowers are always turned to the sun

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became a ready metaphor for all of the people turning to look at Mao.

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So you have that kind of idea of obedience, inevitable obedience

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because the sunflower doesn't choose.

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In 1976 Mao Zedong died.

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He'd led the country for over 30 years and become one of the most

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influential and controversial figures in political history.

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Despite the cult of personality that had been fostered around him,

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after his death

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many of his policies were abandoned as China embraced economic reform.

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The same year, Ai Qing was allowed to return to Beijing.

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It was a turning point for Ai Weiwei too.

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By this time your father's reputation had been rehabilitated,

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so what did your father say when you said you wanted to go to the United States?

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He has been in many, many nations.

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He studied in Paris, but in his generation when they

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decide to go out, the purpose is to use their knowledge to change China.

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So, I told him that's his generation

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and I don't care, I just have to leave.

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So, I was quite extreme, I made decision I would never come back

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to China again so I told my mother on the way to airport.

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I said, you know, I'm going home.

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Home for Ai Weiwei was New York.

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First thing I want to experience is liberty.

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This is a really extremely liberal world.

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I very much want to record it.

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I have nothing else to do.

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It's very simple, have a camera and take a shot.

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Tompkins Square Park probably was the most liberal park in New York City.

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It's surrounded by musicians, poet, artist, poor people, homeless.

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A riot took place here in 1988

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after the city authorities imposed a curfew on the park.

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Ai Weiwei found himself in the middle of it.

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RAISED VOICES AND SHOUTING

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To see civil moment against local government,

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or police brutality, is very fascinating.

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He lived in the lower east side

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which at that time was really a down and out place.

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I went up in the elevator to his apartment and it was just one room,

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a mattress on the floor and the only other possession was a TV.

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And it was during the Senate investigation of, I think it was the Iran Contra hearings.

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He was so excited that the government would actually go after their own.

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-And you've admitted that you lied to the Congress, correct?

-I have.

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And you admitted that you lied in creating false chronologies.

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I realised there's many things I don't really understand.

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I should leave some image about it, so later on,

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maybe it can serve some purpose.

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There was a very active Chinese exile community

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in New York which he also documented.

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He had a lot of connections

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and dialogues with the Chinese diaspora,

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Chinese artists, composers, architects.

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And then for example to meet Allen Ginsberg, he met the poets of the beat generation.

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For him, the poetry link was vital.

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Increasingly exposed to western influences,

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Ai Weiwei visited museums

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and galleries, acquainting himself with a more conceptual approach to contemporary art.

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Taking particular inspiration from Andy Warhol and Marcel Duchamp.

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Don't make too much art, use what's already out there,

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but you as an artist, you can say this is art.

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Marcel Duchamp, very simple.

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And Marcel Duchamp also tries to question the context of art

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and when something gets to be art.

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When is art? Not what is art, but when is art.

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I guess the important thing were these great influences

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that he discovered and had.

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Some things were direct homages, you know, a coat hanger bent into the shape of the profile of Duchamp.

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A double-ended shoe as if the left and the right shoe had somehow morphed into one.

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It's the artwork as a kind of small, mysterious enigmatic object.

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But in a way, the fact that everything was grounded in the everyday

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in stuff that you could find on the street, or in your wardrobe,

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gave him a great deal of freedom.

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It's almost like he'd taken things apart, putting them back

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but always with meticulous refinement so they were beautiful objects.

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So Weiwei, when he does something, he does it really, really well.

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If I look at those photos I can see a young man who is struggling

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and trying to adjust himself to a new environment.

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It's a lot of struggle and

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also a lot of uncertainty there.

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By 1989, uncertainty was also brewing in China.

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In April, following the death of a pro-democracy official,

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groups gathered in Tiananmen Square, calling for political reform.

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It's like a people's revolution and seems everything's going to change.

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Everybody is so enthusiastic about it.

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Going to march. Tiananmen Square.

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They had such optimism, all these young people.

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They wanted to be represented. They wanted a voice.

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My father was in a wheelchair.

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He personally went to the square to support the students.

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He said whoever lost

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the way of the people would have lost their governing

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and he showed strong support for the student.

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Then in early June, the army moved into the streets of Beijing

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with troops and tanks, clearing the protestors with live fire.

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The exact number of deaths is not known, but it's thought to be in the thousands.

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Nobody believed this government can use tank.

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The impossible.

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You went back to China

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to see your father.

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Did that draw you back to China and keep you there?

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At the very beginning, when I heard my father's ill, you know, after the Tiananmen,

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I start to realise

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some sort of a responsibility.

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I think there was a certain point for him,

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particularly around Tiananmen Square,

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where you had this sort of deep freeze in the Chinese art world

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and in Chinese commercial life.

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And then afterwards you had this reawakening,

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and I think at that point he started to realise that

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something was happening in China he had to participate in.

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Ai Weiwei soon began work on a series of underground books.

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We call the black book, black book, white book and a grey book.

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The book has no title because this

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underground printing, that means it's not legal.

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Yes, this is my photography.

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That's about in front of Tiananmen Square.

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It was very dangerous actually with kind of nudity, you know.

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People are not ready to accept.

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It became a sensation.

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Not only for foreigners

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who were interested in the Chinese art world but really for Chinese artists themselves.

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I think it was one of the first times in that period where they started

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to realise that something was germinating.

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It became in some sense kind of iconic documents of that period,

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and they still are today.

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I planted it because in the early time you see my father really likes this kind of objects.

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They would touches it till it become very red. Yes, it's very unique.

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Ai Weiwei's father died in 1996.

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By that time, he'd resumed his role

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as a distinguished literary figure

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and one of China's greatest modern poets,

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embraced by the establishment.

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His last words to his son

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were a plea for him to make his home in China.

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I absolutely have no feeling about China.

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That's why my father said to me you should take it as your home.

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You shouldn't been so polite and courteous - it's your home,

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and do whatever you like.

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Having decided to stay, Ai Weiwei set up a studio in Beijing.

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Fascinated by China's pre-revolution history, its cultural traditions

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and craft skills, he found ways to incorporate these into his work.

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I want to antiquate it, as I want really to touch those objects.

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So, it takes me about six years to really study every aspect

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and how history has moved through the shapes and the technology

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and the craftmanships.

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He likes to take iconic objects,

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objects that in some ways are deeply valued by Chinese people,

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either for kind of cultural reasons or for just simple practical reasons.

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Then he'll obviously treat it

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with a kind of flamboyant disregard for its value.

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This series of works come from late '90s.

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I started to reconstruct of the classic furniture,

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so kind of Ming-style furnitures,

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but the most unique quality is I'll construct without nails.

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He would cut the four legged table in half,

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and he would put two legs on the wall

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and two legs on the ground and he'd have craftsmen

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put the table back together again

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as though it were made in the Ming Dynasty. So it was beautiful.

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Is this decorative art?

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Is this conceptual art?

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Is this kitsch? What is this?

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In the period of cultural revolution we would destroy everything.

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If you really destroy something, you have to really know

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and understand that, so make the whole act become very graceful.

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And, so the origin of the new thing can co-exist in the new body.

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So, that creates some kind of tension and power.

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When Ai Weiwei dropped a Hang vase it's the idea of the breaking

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of a vessel as if the vessel embodies and contains history.

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There'd been the cultural revolution, lots and lots of

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old things, things which had seemed to have value were destroyed.

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And following it, China went through this enormous change of industrialisation.

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By dropping the urn in 1995, Ai Weiwei was essentially creating

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a cenotaph, a tomb of a sort of an unknown soldier.

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He was dropping one urn to draw attention

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to the many others that were being destroyed around him every day.

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You have this urn coated in this industrial paint.

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The forms of the original object still exist, but are obscured.

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And this sort of gauche covering

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seems out of place but is the reality.

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And I think that's exactly how he sees the state in which he lives.

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The new millennium was a turning point for contemporary art in China.

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Shanghai held an International Biennale for the first time

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and alongside it were several fringe events,

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including a show curated by Ai Weiwei and Feng Boyi.

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The exhibition's Chinese title can be translated

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as Uncooperative Attitude,

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but the English name given was simply, Fuck Off.

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This man says "burn his personal identity code on his back".

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A lot of...

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quite extreme activities.

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The Games are awarded to the city of...Beijing.

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APPLAUSE

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SHOUTING

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It was ironic that an artist so closely associated with the avant-garde

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should find himself involved with a spectacular project

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at the heart of the Chinese establishment.

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The Bird's Nest Olympic Stadium,

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designed by Ai Weiwei in collaboration with

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Swiss architects Herzog & de Meuron,

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was the centrepiece of the Games.

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It was the culmination of another strand of Ai Weiwei's work

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as an architect.

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For although he has no formal training,

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he's designed many buildings.

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He, at that moment, discovered architecture, and I think

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his connection to architecture is very fascinating because today,

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he is one of the leading architects in China.

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He's part of architecture exhibitions.

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So, the architecture and design world

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have very much embraced him both in China but also wider, in Asia.

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Is there something different about his work which characterises it,

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because he doesn't have a formal architectural training?

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It's simple, but it's very subtle. I think spatially,

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it's extremely interesting. Not just in...

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the way that the internal spaces work,

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but also the way the outside spaces are unpredictable

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and have some of the tightness,

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the compression of parts of China,

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almost like some of the urban spaces in microcosm.

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Yes, very personal and very human.

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The way, for example,

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that he uses brick and creates extraordinary patterns.

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He has a very distinctive style.

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But having played a crucial role

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in designing the Bird's Nest stadium,

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Ai Weiwei distanced himself from the project,

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criticising the use of the Olympics

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by the Chinese government as propaganda.

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He uses the publicity he gets in a very knowing way

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and he uses exhibitions and projects

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like the Bird's Nest stadium as a platform to be visible

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and to be able, if you like, to turn them against themselves.

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And that's extremely interesting

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and a very sophisticated way of being an artist.

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He has loyalty ultimately only to himself.

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I mean, to his project, and that's not a criticism.

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What I'm saying is that he operates without fear or favour

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and he is basically interested in producing art.

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He's made money, he's lost money,

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he basically takes his own money and pours it back into his studio.

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I don't think he's an especially good businessman.

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He is, in all these various ways, kind of uninterested in the broader

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experience of being an artist beyond what it actually means to make art.

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Do you believe that art

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can communicate and engage with ordinary people as well?

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As well as using ordinary people's experience,

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are you a believer in connecting with lots of people?

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Um, yes. I think...

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the only one art has...

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the connecting to the ordinary feelings,

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or ordinary common sense,

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it becomes most powerful.

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DOG BARKS

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South of Beijing is Jingdezhen, the home of Chinese porcelain,

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and the centre of ceramic production for over one thousand years.

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Many of the inhabitants work in the industry,

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in a city where even the street lights are made from ceramic.

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Jingdezhen was the imperial town for some 500 years

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and was...

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drastically impacted in the early 1990s,

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when the state-owned porcelain workshops shut down,

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and suddenly, you had thousands of craftsmen

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who had to fend for themselves with nothing to their names.

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The only reason great craftsmanship has been preserved as well as it has

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is that there is a thriving market for fake reproductions

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of famous vessels from, say the Ming and Qing that actually,

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this tendency in contemporary China

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to counterfeit things and pass them off as real

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has functioned to preserve

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an otherwise doomed set of workmen skills.

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Ai Weiwei is visiting his old friend, Mr Liu,

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who owns this ceramic workshop.

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Many of Ai Weiwei's porcelain art works are made here,

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from the finest Jingdezhen clay.

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They use this stone to make the body of porcelain, also the clays.

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So one...and mix porcelain,

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it comes out a very special colour and a special density in there.

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This is the best quality, if you talking about Chinese porcelain.

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This is the highest quality you can get.

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After you...get the rocks delivered to here,

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you put in this watermill,

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and, er, to really crash the stone.

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It takes so long

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to...to really make it to be...

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very fine powder.

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For the past two years, Ai Weiwei

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has been overseeing the production of porcelain sunflower seeds.

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These will go towards making the final installation

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at Tate Modern's Turbine Hall.

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He has employed over 1,600 local artisans.

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To be able to bring together this community, getting a whole village

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and to get this kind of spirit, I think is quite extraordinary.

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And when you look at it, and if you put it next to a sunflower seed,

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it's almost impossible, visually, to tell it apart.

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During the cultural revolution

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and when Weiwei and his father had to go in exile,

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there was almost nothing to eat. Many, many, many more millions

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Chinese, they lived off these sunflower seeds.

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Now, Ai Weiwei decided to create almost a monument

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for this part of Chinese history which has to do with the multitude,

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which has to do with poverty, but which has to do

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also with transformation, because we can overcome.

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First, you make moulds,

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hundreds of moulds...

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Then you compress this kind of mud,

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almost like liquid chocolate, into it,

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to let it dry,

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and then take it out with your hand to fix each individual.

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Then, just put in the oven

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at 1,300 degree. Then...

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start paint on both sides, four or five strokes,

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and putting in the oven again.

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And, yes. The sunflower seeds are made by God,

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but this is made really by hands of the people, one by one.

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2½ years in the making, having travelled over 5,000 miles,

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from Jingdezhen to London,

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the seeds are finally installed at Tate Modern's Turbine Hall.

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It's amazing.

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They're beautiful things.

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First of all, in terms of the porcelain,

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is this where the Ming vase tradition comes from as well?

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-Yes.

-Is the process the same?

-Same, exactly same.

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And why did you choose these sunflower seeds?

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When we grew up in a socialist society...

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for probably this only...

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pleasure we could get is to have pocket...full.

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-A pocketful of these?

-Yes. We always like,

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if we talk, I would give you some

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and we start to eat the sunflower seeds.

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Actually, many Chinese, their front tooth,

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always leave a mark, because you're eating that.

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You'll have like little cracks here, because you...

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I don't have it, but a lot of people have it.

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Why a hundred million, is there a reason for a hundred million?

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Relate to the history and to...

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to many, many different issues. You know, mass production...

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Yes, I was just thinking about this.

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-Because China's full.

-China is full of mass production.

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China's history, even recent history of course, is all about reproduction

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and mass production, and yet,

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of course, the irony here is that each of these is individually made.

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-Yes...

-It's not mass produced at all.

-Yes.

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I think this is number, but only one sixteenth of China's population.

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It's kind of hard to walk.

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It's really like sand.

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Yes. Well, again, this is very much a physical experience.

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Yeah. Always have to come out with, er,

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your own individual interpretation.

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They're all handmade, aren't they? Each one, or something.

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-No, they're not?!

-In this country?

-By...

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-loads of Chinese people? That's incredible.

-Mm.

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That makes it that much more special, I guess.

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Do you think I can take one home?

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The kids have just loved it here.

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They've sort of been playing around building almost like sand castles.

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I tried digging to the bottom of it and I couldn't.

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It's almost like being at the seaside.

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Everybody's sitting around burying themselves in these seeds.

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WOMAN LAUGHS

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Usually, I'd be with my sisters,

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and they'd probably end up burying me.

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Something totally relaxing out of something which is hard,

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yet soft, when you get to grips with it.

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It makes you think. Absolutely makes you think.

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It's quite nostalgic, I guess.

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Everybody of all ages are like... want to straightaway pick it up.

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And you remember all those happy memories out playing with your friends,

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with your parents, or...

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Yeah, it sends you back to younger times, where everything was simple,

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you know, you can just sit there for hours on end

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and not worry about time, or...

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