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This programme contains some strong language

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-# Somebody say

-heh, heh, heh

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-# Somebody sing

-hello, hello, hello

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-# Somebody say

-heh, heh, heh

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-# Somebody cry

-why, why, why?

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# Kuluman

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# Kulumani, kulumani sizwe. #

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Over a quarter of a century ago,

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Paul Simon travelled to Johannesburg in South Africa to record tracks

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with a group of township musicians for the album that would become

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perhaps his greatest achievement - Graceland.

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It was a project that became marred in controversy. Nelson Mandela

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was still in prison and apartheid was very much in force in South Africa.

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An international boycott prevented artists performing in South Africa,

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but Simon ignored it, determined to collaborate in person

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with the black artists whose music he loved so intensely.

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The turbulence around Graceland followed Simon and his collaborators

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here to London's Albert Hall, where they performed

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in front of sold-out audiences.

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Ladies and gentlemen, Hugh Masekela.

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Outside, however,

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there were angry cries and crowds of anti-apartheid protesters.

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For me, tonight's film tells a truly remarkable story

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about the tension between creative freedom and political responsibility.

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Paul Simon, the curious - some might say the arrogant artist -

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just follows his ears to South Africa, falls in love

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with the genius of the township musicians,

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and with the music he encounters there.

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# Kuluman, kulumani sizwe

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# Singenze njani

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# Baya jabula abasi thanda Yo ho. #

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In tonight's Imagine,

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the filmmaker Joe Berlinger follows Simon

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as he travels back to South Africa for an emotional reunion

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with the musicians who played with him on Graceland and who discuss,

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with remarkable candour, the controversy that surrounded

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the making of what is now regarded as one of the truly great albums.

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VINYL CRACKLES

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FAINT APPLAUSE GROWS

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INTRO TO: "The Boy In The Bubble"

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A remarkable album called Graceland, by singer Paul Simon,

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-grew out of a trip that he made to South Africa.

-The Graceland album

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started out a cross-cultural experiment. It has become

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a worldwide hit. Five million copies have been sold so far.

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I really wasn't thinking that Graceland was going to have

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this kind of effect on people. I didn't think of it as anything other than a really interesting...

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-Something you loved.

-Yes, right - it was a music... Exactly.

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But you can't miss the political side, you know.

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Paul Simon's Graceland is a big success,

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but it's also controversial because Simon recorded the album in South Africa

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and critics say he should have had nothing to do with a racist country.

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The conscience of the world must be awakened to the horror

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of apartheid in South Africa.

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We are calling upon all international artists

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to stay away from our country. What made you go there?

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I was invited there.

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I was invited by black musicians.

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# I'm going to Graceland

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# Graceland

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# Memphis Tennessee

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# I'm going to Graceland... #

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When the artist gets into some sort of disagreement with politics,

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why are the politicians designated to be the ones to tell us,

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the artists, what to do, and we're supposed to follow, otherwise

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-we're not good citizens...?

-I hear you, man. You're not allowed

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to think, not allowed feel or have a political opinion.

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It's nonsense, man.

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# We will all be received in Graceland... #

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I remember when Graceland first came out, there was some

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controversy about it and so it was just one of those things, like...

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Oh, well, controversy - I'm not going to buy THAT album.

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But when I went to hear him perform

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in a concert in Chicago, I was infected by the music.

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# And she said losing love is like a window in your heart... #

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Graceland was the Paul Simon record that rocked a little harder

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than some of the ones just before that.

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The ones just before had great songs, but this one

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had a little bit more low-end going on.

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# I'm going to Graceland

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# Memphis, Tennessee I'm going to Graceland... #

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Music is the most unifying thing I've ever seen.

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-Cultures have been swapping information...

-It's only 12 notes, man. Until God gives us 13,

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we all got the same materials to work with for 500 years. 12 notes.

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This is what music is. It's the voice of God, you know?

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-Don't you think?

-Yeah, I do.

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-'Your number one news and talk station.

-All right, I mentioned

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'Paul Simon - he's currently visiting South Africa, commemorating

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'the 25th anniversary of the release of Graceland. He plans to reunite

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'the South African musicians involved with the original project.'

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The last time I was here was when we played...

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It was a long time ago.

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It was a long time ago.

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I expect to see a lot of changes.

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As any place would be, after a couple of decades.

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Anyway, we'll see. We'll see what we get.

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# This is the story of how we begin to remember

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# This is the powerful pulsing of love in the vein. #

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I'm trying to imagine it's the next few days and get my focus right.

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Going back into a rehearsal kind of frame of mind...

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..see where everybody's at, like...

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Thinking about Ray...

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Well, I haven't seen Ray now since 1991.

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Oh, man - Ray!

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Isaac I haven't seen...even longer.

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-Isaac!

-Nice to see you!

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Barney I haven't seen in a really long time.

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Oh, my God! Barney's father!

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# His path was marked

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# By the stars in the southern hemisphere

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# And he walked the length of his days

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# Under African skies. #

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'We had an intense period of time together and then we separated

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'and went our separate ways, so we're always attached by Graceland.

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'And now, with this reunion, we'll finally get the chance to talk about

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'how we made the record and going on tour. That'll be interesting

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'to me, cos it's the same event,'

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but everybody's story is different.

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SYNCOPATED BREATHS

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APPLAUSE

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Paul Simon is going to be giving - listen to this, this is exciting -

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an exclusive and intimate performance this Thursday evening

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in Johannesburg.

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Paul would like to invite a few select listeners

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to attend the event. That could be you.

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I think all of us, we are like, "Oh, boy, this performance, man.

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We have to get back into Graceland

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and just do it one more time, 25 years later.

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Here I was, living in South Africa and then

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here comes a particular individual, called Paul Simon.

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For me, music is the closest thing to religion.

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And if it's utilised in the right way, it can inform

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and bring people closer and they can find solutions to their problems.

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And Graceland did that.

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I've been doing music professionally since I'm 15 years old

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and in many ways, Graceland was the most significant achievement of my career.

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'I really think that the next generation still has a pretty deep

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'connection to Graceland. For a lot of people my age,'

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it was really evocative of being on like, road trips with their family

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when they were five or six years old

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and, for us, we have specific songs

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where I think you can totally make the Graceland connection.

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My perspective is that what Paul Simon was doing

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had a beauty to it

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and he had a great idea, a creative idea,

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to mix his music and his rhythms and his ingenuity with some

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that he had found in South Africa.

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But at that moment in time...

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..it was not...

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..helpful.

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There was this inconvenient thing called apartheid.

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It got in the way.

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Apartheid was a system made to divide the people of South Africa

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on the basis of colour of skin.

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The white South Africans

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were dominating everything

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under protection by law

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and the whole apartheid system

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intentionally, deliberately set out to prove

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that black people were most inferior beings on Earth.

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And people of South Africa did not take this lying down

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and we fought.

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We were fighting for our land, for our identity -

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we had a job to do. And it was a serious job.

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And we saw Paul Simon coming

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as a threat and we saw it as an issue,

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because it was not sanctioned

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as we saw it, by the liberation movement

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and the situation was not about Paul Simon, it was about

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the liberation of the people of South Africa.

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The criticism and the attacks on the album and on me

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was very hurtful. And, er...

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I don't really know what the internal debate was here.

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I mean, I know what the result was.

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But I don't know who said what and why.

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From the South African side of things,

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there's a lot that I don't know. A lot.

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So, I was just thinking to myself, it's a bit surreal,

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what's going on here, because the first time I saw you, it was on an album cover!

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We didn't meet, but we had that sort of relationship

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-over the cultural boycott...

-Right.

-And here you are, 25 years later.

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I know you are a brilliant artist.

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I've respected you all my life.

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I know that you had no malintent in going and I do think

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it's regrettable, that with the brilliance of what you did with these musicians,

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there was this conflagration around it on a political level.

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Well, this misunderstanding is really unfortunate

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and it's been on my mind for all this time,

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so I'll tell you my story,

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then you tell me your story!

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I was given a cassette... It was called Accordion Jive Hits,

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by the Boyoyo Boys.

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I used to play this tape all the time and...

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after about three weeks of it, I said, you know,

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this is my favourite music.

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I'm not interested in listening to anything else.

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I found out that it came from South Africa, so I asked my record label,

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do we know anybody in South Africa?

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They said yes, this producer, Hilton Rosenthal.

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I had the call from Paul Simon and he said

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that one of the cuts

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on side two, I think, was called Gumboots...

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And could I do some research?

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I asked Paul at that time what he wanted to do with the song.

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He said he had written some lyrics and he wasn't sure what

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he was going to do, but that he just wanted to record the song.

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Paul put the cassette in, played this thing and he sang and I said

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to him, you know, you can just do that here in New York,

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just get a couple of great players and, you know... You've got the

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instrumentation, players can certainly do that. He looked at me,

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like... "What?" He said, "No, no, no, no. I'm going down there."

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I really wanted to do that music. But I was very aware of what was going on politically

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in South Africa,

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so I called up Harry Belafonte and, who I've known for many, many years.

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When I spoke to Paul, I said...

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I think it's great that you're going,

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I think you should just let the ANC know, let Oliver Tambo

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and the leadership know.

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The ANC - the African National Congress -

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was the voice of black South Africans. I can introduce you

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to the powers that prevail, to let them know what you're doing

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so you can have all the necessary... passes on it.

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And I saw right then and there that Paul resisted the idea.

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Paul, as I recall, declared that the power of art and the voice of

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the artist was supreme and that to go to any one group or another

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for whatever reason, to beg the right to passage was against his instinct.

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It was an adventure that seemed irresistible to me.

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And, of course, I was fascinated and intimidated by the fact that

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I'm coming to South Africa.

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Er...

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And I didn't tell Harry, you know.

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Which I probably shoulda done.

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Except, it's like your dad, you know, when your dad says,

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"don't take the car", but you really have a date that you really want

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-to go on... You decide you're going to take the car anyway.

-Mm.

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HUM OF PLANE ENGINE

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So I came with my engineer and...

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I was immediately struck by the extreme racial tension.

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Coming from a country that WAS racially tense,

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I was absolutely unprepared for... what it felt like in the air.

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The law of the land was apartheid. Mandela was still in jail.

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De Klerk was the president.

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I was uncomfortable.

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But, we got into the studio and began to record with this group

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called Tau Ea Matsekha.

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It was very exciting to see these South African groups come in.

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I was already familiar with their records.

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There was this accordion player named Forere and he didn't know

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who I was, he didn't speak English, but our interaction

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was really interesting, because you'd give him a signal

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and say go and he'd just start to play.

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Stand by, here we go.

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And then everyone would fall in behind him.

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He was playing a melody on the accordion that I wanted him to play

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and we got a really great sound. It was kind of

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all over the place and needed to be edited and changed around...

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When we started jamming in the studio with Paul,

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I didn't know him. I saw this guy with... With cowboy boots, you know?

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And I was kind of asking myself, "what is this guy trying to do?"

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because he's trying to, you know, fuse pop music, plus African music.

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The first day, the feeling in the room was little strained.

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That's what I sensed.

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They're very shy. "Am I doing the right thing?"

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And it was really something to see them change

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during the course of the session.

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All of a sudden, we're a bunch of musicians in this room, having fun.

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Bakithi played the fretless bass and when he plays a groove,

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the guy lights up. You know? He just lights up.

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It's incredible. And his intonation and his articulation was phenomenal.

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I was just working as a mechanic and then one day, I got this call

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from the boss and he said, "Hey, Paul Simon is in town", you know?

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"He's looking for some musicians" and I said Paul Simon?

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Who is Paul Simon?

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I mean, I had no idea and then the guy tried to explain

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to me, singing all the songs, like the songs from Simon and Garfunkel

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and I'm like... It doesn't ring a bell!

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And then I take my bass and I go to the studio and so I meet Paul

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and Roy Halee the engineer and they're like, hey, man - you know - let's play some grooves!

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Every groove we play, Paul just love it and then he will stop

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and change it, but we didn't know, I mean... Why? The groove is so good,

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why is he changing? But he needed another part that we didn't know.

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Then he'll break and give us different chords

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and then we learn different things

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and it was like going back to music school.

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The initial recording sessions in Johannesburg

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were planned pretty quietly.

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I contacted the representatives of the groups that Paul

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wanted to work with, including producer Koloi Lebona.

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Hilton said could you organise the musicians

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that would play on the session?

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So I brought Bakithi Kumalo,

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I brought Vusi Khumalo, the drummer,

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and I brought Forere, who plays piano accordion.

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What attracted me was the way Forere combines what his left hand

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and his right hand is playing on the accordion

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and I think that's exactly what drew Paul Simon

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to be, like, entranced with this music.

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HE SINGS

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We are at the house of the piano accordion player, Forere Motloheloa.

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We've come here to fetch him

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for this Graceland reunion project.

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This was the original melody that Paul Simon turned into

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"Boy In The Bubble", yes?

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And what he say is that he's paying tribute to a beautiful woman

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that he has found and that he's happy with.

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He says the solitude of the place combined with the landscape

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gives him so much time to think of beautiful things

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that he then translates into the music.

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When Forere came to me, he was working in the mines.

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The way he plays a piano accordion is the voicing -

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how he's adapting it to suit the traditional Basotho melodies

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and that's what led to the birth of Boy In The Bubble.

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WOMAN ULLULATES

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INTRO TO "Boy In The Bubble"

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Do you think it'd be interesting to hear him sing HIS song?

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-We'll see if we can combine the two songs.

-So he begins, it's a verse form.

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I answer, verse form. He comes back, verse form.

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-HE TRANSLATES

-After that,

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we'll go to the chorus again - he sings again and I sing against him.

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This is the way it happened for me. This is what happened in the studio.

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Somebody would play and I'd say that's good, let's do that

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then let's go here, then let's go there, then let's do this...

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Oh, no - then Bakithi, you play here... Let's try it again and let's do it this way.

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Trial and error. So we'll try it now, see how many errors we make(!)

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# It was a slow day The sun was beating on the soldiers

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# By the side of the road

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# A bright light A shattering of shop windows

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# The bomb in the baby carriage was wired to the radio... #

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FORERE SINGS HIS OWN LYRICS

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When Paul Simon was in South Africa

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in 1985, it was at a moment

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of high struggle.

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The apartheid regime were at their most vicious.

0:22:150:22:18

GUNSHOTS

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It was very scary.

0:22:200:22:21

I was just a kid growing up there,

0:22:210:22:23

but I had no idea why there was so much problem

0:22:230:22:27

and people are running, the cops, they come in the middle of the night, counting people.

0:22:270:22:31

There was a point some time where I couldn't eat for two days because there was no food.

0:22:310:22:36

My parents, they didn't know where they'd get the food

0:22:360:22:39

the next day, so you've just got to hang in there.

0:22:390:22:42

Because the apartheid regime were at their most vicious,

0:22:420:22:45

we had to ensure that by all means necessary, they are isolated.

0:22:450:22:49

The General Assembly of the United Nations

0:22:490:22:52

called for economic sanctions

0:22:520:22:54

oil embargo, sports boycott

0:22:540:22:56

and cultural boycott of South Africa.

0:22:560:22:59

Part of the cultural boycott was to call on all people

0:22:590:23:04

who are engaged in cultural activities

0:23:040:23:07

not to cooperate with South Africa.

0:23:070:23:09

What would the ANC hope that artists of other nations might do to help?

0:23:090:23:12

I think firstly, we'd like them to obey the cultural boycott

0:23:120:23:16

of South Africa to the letter.

0:23:160:23:18

We had been saying to artists all over the world,

0:23:180:23:21

at this point in the history of South Africa,

0:23:210:23:25

the expression of your support must be non-participatory.

0:23:250:23:31

You can't go there.

0:23:320:23:33

The way in which you interact with other peoples

0:23:330:23:36

is on a free basis, between free people.

0:23:360:23:39

I remember talking about the issue of Paul Simon, that I did not think

0:23:410:23:46

that it was correct for him to come.

0:23:460:23:47

# The way we look to a distant constellation

0:23:490:23:51

# That's dying in the corner of the sky... #

0:23:510:23:54

When I brought musicians to the Graceland session,

0:23:540:23:58

I was patently aware

0:23:580:23:59

at the time that there was a cultural boycott.

0:23:590:24:02

It was risky, but our music is always regarded as like Third World music

0:24:020:24:08

and I thought,

0:24:080:24:10

if our music gets a chance to be part of mainstream music,

0:24:100:24:15

surely that can't do any harm? So, when Paul Simon came,

0:24:150:24:19

I deliberately...withheld

0:24:190:24:22

some of the risks involved in doing this thing.

0:24:220:24:27

I thought, what the heck?

0:24:270:24:29

This is a chance in a million, we must do this.

0:24:290:24:33

HE SINGS

0:24:330:24:36

APPLAUSE

0:24:410:24:43

That's it.

0:24:460:24:47

# She looked me over I guess she thought I was all right

0:24:580:25:02

# All right in a sort of a limited way for an off night

0:25:020:25:05

# She said, "Don't I know you from the cinematographer's party?"

0:25:050:25:09

# I said who am I to blow against the wind?

0:25:090:25:13

# I know what I know I'll sing what I said

0:25:130:25:16

# We come and we go... #

0:25:160:25:19

This song was originally recorded with the General Shirinda

0:25:190:25:22

-and the Gaza Sisters. They're Shangaan.

-The Shangaan sound was electric guitar-based,

0:25:220:25:28

with a pop band around it and some very strange -

0:25:280:25:30

to Western ears, anyway -

0:25:300:25:32

strange sounds of the female vocalists

0:25:320:25:35

doing a wailing sound in the background.

0:25:350:25:38

# Ooooh! #

0:25:380:25:40

It's different, because it's like...

0:25:400:25:42

you're singing out of tune sometimes,

0:25:420:25:45

but that is how it should sound like, you understand?

0:25:450:25:48

When General Shirinda came into the studio, they came in with

0:26:000:26:04

the whole family - mothers and children...

0:26:040:26:07

It was like a party.

0:26:080:26:10

I was in South Africa for a very short time - like, maybe ten

0:26:230:26:26

or 12 days - recording frantically, and it was exhilarating.

0:26:260:26:31

It was really amazing.

0:26:310:26:32

The album that preceded Graceland, Hearts And Bones,

0:26:350:26:39

was a relative commercial failure and my reaction to that,

0:26:390:26:44

rather than thinking, "Oh, I'm dead,"

0:26:440:26:47

my reaction to that was, "Well, good -

0:26:470:26:50

"the next time I make a record,

0:26:500:26:52

"nobody will be looking over my shoulder,"

0:26:520:26:54

which is what they do, what they had been doing for years and years.

0:26:540:26:58

"What's the hit on this album? What's it going to be?"

0:26:580:27:00

Because I had an unbroken string of hits from Simon and Garfunkel

0:27:000:27:05

up until Hearts And Bones. So, that was in my mind when I went

0:27:050:27:09

to South Africa. Well, I can do whatever I want here

0:27:090:27:12

and I'm not going to get calls from the record company every week

0:27:120:27:16

saying "how's it going" or "can you send us something, we're dying to hear it?"

0:27:160:27:20

They just...you know, left me alone, and that was good.

0:27:200:27:24

With those groups that I knew, like General Shirinda and the Gaza Sisters,

0:27:300:27:35

I really had a clear idea of what I really liked

0:27:350:27:39

and what I wanted to record. Some of those songs, where...

0:27:390:27:43

there's co-writing,

0:27:430:27:44

that's because they were based on tracks that I had heard

0:27:440:27:49

and I could point to their record and say can you play this,

0:27:490:27:52

but change it a little bit here? And whatever writing was shared,

0:27:520:27:56

we would share the credit and share the royalties.

0:27:560:28:00

I thought about writing political songs about the situation,

0:28:000:28:05

but I'm not actually very good at it. Here's an interesting thing -

0:28:050:28:09

when I recorded with General Shirinda a song that became

0:28:090:28:13

I Know What I Know, I asked him, what that's about?

0:28:130:28:18

And he said, "You know, it's about...

0:28:180:28:21

"Remember the '60s when girls wore really short skirts?

0:28:210:28:26

"Wasn't that great?"

0:28:260:28:27

That's what it was about.

0:28:280:28:31

So...I said, you know... They aren't making up political music.

0:28:310:28:36

They're making up pop music.

0:28:370:28:39

These songs are pop music.

0:28:390:28:41

What of the other verse, about the chicken...?

0:28:520:28:56

Oh, the other one... It says...

0:28:560:28:58

HE SINGS

0:28:580:29:01

It means... Slaughter an owl...

0:29:010:29:05

..because there's no chicken

0:29:060:29:08

and you cut the head and throw it away.

0:29:080:29:11

The body will look like a chicken, so don't worry,

0:29:110:29:14

we will eat it in the train!

0:29:140:29:16

We'll eat it on the train. It'll look like a chicken.

0:29:160:29:20

Cut off the head of the owl,

0:29:200:29:22

it'll look like a chicken.

0:29:220:29:24

Then, you know... Nobody will know, we'll eat it on the train(!)

0:29:240:29:28

That's what it meant.

0:29:280:29:29

So I realised that instead of writing a song like Biko,

0:29:320:29:37

the Peter Gabriel song - which I love - in fact, I recorded it.

0:29:370:29:40

That is a great example of a political song.

0:29:400:29:43

My idea was... They play their best, I'm going to play my best.

0:29:430:29:47

I'm going to give them my best shot. I didn't come in here

0:29:470:29:50

promising to do anything other than to make a really great record.

0:29:500:29:54

They didn't say, "Come in here and tell our story".

0:29:540:29:57

They just said, "Yeah, you can come in and we'll play with you".

0:29:570:30:01

# I know what I know

0:30:010:30:03

# I'll sing what I sing

0:30:030:30:04

# We come and we go

0:30:040:30:06

# That's a thing that I keep in the back of my head

0:30:060:30:09

# Whoo whoo whoo whoo

0:30:090:30:11

# Whoo whoo whoo! #

0:30:110:30:14

LAUGHTER

0:30:200:30:22

The sessions were great. But the racial tension in South Africa

0:30:220:30:26

was at such a level that it was palpable, even in the studio.

0:30:260:30:31

Here's a kind of an example of what it was like. The Boyoyo Boys

0:30:310:30:35

came into the studio and I said you know, play this and they couldn't

0:30:350:30:39

play it and when they came back the next day, they still couldn't play.

0:30:390:30:45

And I'm really frustrated - this is terrible, you know?

0:30:450:30:47

And...one of the white engineers, or assistant engineers said,

0:30:470:30:53

"Well, now you see what we're talking about here? This is what with talking about."

0:30:530:30:58

You know? I mean... "They can't do it.

0:30:580:31:01

"They tell you they can, but they can't do it."

0:31:010:31:04

It WAS a racist comment.

0:31:040:31:05

Did it bother me? It stunned me.

0:31:060:31:09

You know? Er...

0:31:090:31:12

I didn't know.

0:31:120:31:14

The epiphany comes from the next day, when Ray Phiri comes in.

0:31:160:31:21

Ray comes in with his band, which was probably the top band

0:31:210:31:27

in South Africa - it was called Stimela

0:31:270:31:30

and the drummer was Isaac Mtshali.

0:31:300:31:32

So they came in and I was playing with them and said,

0:31:320:31:35

"well, that's good. Why don't we do that?"

0:31:350:31:38

He said, "I can do that and then...

0:31:380:31:40

"Then I'll overdub another part on top of it".

0:31:400:31:44

And I'm still thinking about the Boyoyo boys, so I say, "Yeah, yeah,

0:31:440:31:48

"just get THAT and I'll be happy", you know?

0:31:480:31:51

So... He does, he gets it, and I think, "Well, that's pretty good."

0:31:520:31:56

He says, "Let me do the overdub now."

0:31:560:31:59

So I say, "Yeah, OK, go ahead, try it."

0:31:590:32:03

And it's...great.

0:32:030:32:05

And suddenly I realise, you know, the guy's brilliant.

0:32:050:32:09

I was ready to buy into the... into the racist thing.

0:32:090:32:13

You know, they fed it to me. They give it to you, you know?

0:32:130:32:19

So...you get a big South African...

0:32:190:32:22

lesson.

0:32:220:32:24

'We were all just meeting for the first time.

0:32:260:32:29

'They didn't know my political beliefs and I didn't know theirs.

0:32:290:32:33

'I knew that Stimela was a number-one group,

0:32:330:32:35

'but I didn't know that they were known as a group

0:32:350:32:39

'that was provocative to the police.'

0:32:390:32:42

Sometimes, at the gig, the police are waiting for us.

0:32:420:32:48

They say, "Where are those Stimelas?

0:32:480:32:50

"We want those Stimelas. Where are they?"

0:32:500:32:53

They come with this teargas and they put teargas all over the place,

0:32:560:33:00

people went like this.

0:33:000:33:01

I'm not afraid. If I have to die, and I die onstage,

0:33:040:33:08

I'll be the happiest.

0:33:080:33:10

But if I have to die on the street when somebody does that,

0:33:100:33:13

that would be cowardly.

0:33:130:33:15

As a musician, I could see that things are bad,

0:33:160:33:20

but we keep on... singing the song, man.

0:33:200:33:23

You know?

0:33:230:33:25

MUSIC: Intro to "You Can Call Me Al"

0:33:250:33:27

One day Ray started playing the riff...

0:33:270:33:29

Bwee-dap-bap-bap, bwee-dap-bap-bap.

0:33:290:33:31

After we recorded the backing track,

0:33:380:33:40

next morning I picked Paul up on the way to the studio

0:33:400:33:44

and I said to him, "I have a feeling that yesterday

0:33:440:33:47

"at least one of the hits from this album was recorded."

0:33:470:33:50

# If you be my bodyguard, I could be your long-lost pal

0:33:500:33:56

# I can call you Betty

0:33:580:34:00

# Betty, when you call me you can...

0:34:000:34:03

-AUDIENCE:

-# Call me Al

0:34:030:34:05

# Call me Al... #

0:34:050:34:08

-Let me tell you my story.

-Good.

0:34:090:34:12

Um... I had been in exile for a while,

0:34:120:34:15

and, um, I went to live in England.

0:34:150:34:19

These people were hunting my father, Oliver Tambo, as a terrorist.

0:34:190:34:23

As the president of the ANC, he was an icon of human rights

0:34:230:34:26

and I grew up surrounded by revolutionaries.

0:34:260:34:30

Our home was a hub for all exiles, so I met a lot of people in that time

0:34:300:34:35

who showed me that this was actually a united struggle.

0:34:350:34:40

And we formed Artists Against Apartheid to enforce

0:34:400:34:43

-this cultural boycott.

-Mm-hm.

0:34:430:34:45

Because we genuinely felt that if you go there

0:34:450:34:49

you become part of apartheid's attempt to gain international legitimacy

0:34:490:34:56

and pull itself out of the sanctions that was gripping the country.

0:34:560:35:00

And so, when you came to South Africa,

0:35:000:35:03

it wasn't the ideal form of cultural exchange.

0:35:030:35:07

-They weren't free people, Paul, and...

-Then why did they say, "Come"?

0:35:070:35:13

-Well...

-Do you think they were all selfish that they did it?

0:35:130:35:16

-For three times union scale?

-Yeah, I think if you went anywhere in the world

0:35:160:35:20

and you said, "Paul Simon wants to perform with you,"

0:35:200:35:23

people would pretty much say, "Yes, I'll do that."

0:35:230:35:25

Yes, but I treated them as equals, they treated me as equals.

0:35:250:35:30

We treated each other as musicians.

0:35:300:35:33

We didn't have anything to do with colour, race.

0:35:330:35:38

It was purely music, and it wasn't lost on any of them

0:35:380:35:42

-because here I come back 25 years later and those people are my dear friends.

-Mm.

0:35:420:35:47

-Joseph!

-Hey!

-Ah, my brother!

-Where is my hug?

0:35:470:35:52

You come back with it. Ahhh!

0:35:520:35:55

'It was very special to work with Paul Simon,'

0:35:550:35:59

because, many, many years,

0:35:590:36:02

it was very, very difficult to work together with a white person.

0:36:020:36:06

But when we started to work with Paul Simon we didn't see a difference.

0:36:070:36:11

We didn't see that he's white or I'm black, I just see him as my brother.

0:36:110:36:16

-You good?

-Do it again.

-Do it again? I would do it for ever.

-Yeah!

0:36:160:36:23

-I'm so glad to see you, my friend.

-Oh, thank you so much.

0:36:230:36:27

'Joseph Shabalala from Ladysmith Black Mambazo came into the studio,'

0:36:270:36:30

and that's the group that I knew from a British documentary called The Rhythm Of Resistance.

0:36:300:36:36

-PRESENTER:

-In townships outside the white cities,

0:36:360:36:38

music happens everywhere.

0:36:380:36:40

The Ladysmith Black Mambazo are a group who've found

0:36:400:36:42

exceptional commercial success.

0:36:420:36:44

They draw on the Zulu tradition of the male vocal group

0:36:440:36:47

to create a unique blend of African and Western harmonies.

0:36:470:36:50

THEY SING IN ZULU LANGUAGE

0:36:500:36:55

The sound of Ladysmith Black Mambazo,

0:36:550:36:58

it's a sound of everything that surrounds us.

0:36:580:37:01

Because we grew up in the farm.

0:37:010:37:03

Birds singing, wind blowing,

0:37:030:37:06

frogs singing and...

0:37:060:37:08

-some small insect...

-HE LAUGHS

0:37:080:37:11

So the music is... It's there all the time.

0:37:110:37:13

HE SINGS IN ZULU LANGUAGE

0:37:130:37:16

'When I got a call, I just ran to my cousin.'

0:37:160:37:21

"Hey, I talked to somebody! His name is Paul Simon.

0:37:210:37:26

"He want to see me." I was proud of that. "He want to see me.

0:37:260:37:31

"He want to talk to me!"

0:37:310:37:34

And the guy said, "Go there! Go there! Don't make a mistake.

0:37:340:37:36

"Please go there! And come back and tell us."

0:37:360:37:40

'Joseph Shabalala was very quiet in the studio.'

0:37:400:37:45

He was just kind of mysterious and quiet.

0:37:450:37:47

'So I wasn't sure whether he liked what I was doing

0:37:470:37:52

'or whether he liked me.'

0:37:520:37:55

And he gave me, like, ten or 12 albums,

0:37:550:37:57

which I used to listen to every night.

0:37:570:38:00

I used to, you know, listen to 'em on my...

0:38:000:38:03

I would fall asleep listening to them.

0:38:030:38:06

And I just totally became just...

0:38:060:38:08

..um...

0:38:090:38:11

You know, er...bewitched by Ladysmith Black Mambazo.

0:38:120:38:17

Because they were so beautiful.

0:38:180:38:21

I thought it was so beautiful that I was totally intimidated.

0:38:250:38:30

They were so good at what they did and it was so contained

0:38:300:38:35

that I didn't really know at the time

0:38:350:38:38

how I could possibly fit into their world

0:38:380:38:42

and didn't know whether they wanted me to fit into their world.

0:38:420:38:47

Paul was so polite. Paul has a special magic. Nobody has that magic.

0:38:510:38:57

He just come to me like a baby.

0:38:570:39:00

Like, "Father... can you teach me something?"

0:39:000:39:05

THEY SING IN ZULU LANGUAGE

0:39:050:39:09

And we hugged. That was my first time to hug.

0:39:130:39:16

Especially a white man.

0:39:160:39:18

When I finished that, I said, "Ooh, I'm in jail now."

0:39:180:39:23

And Paul Simon was talking and I forgot about that.

0:39:230:39:28

"Oh, yes, and, Joseph... Paul Simon from New York City.

0:39:280:39:32

"I just listen to your record

0:39:320:39:35

"and I think you can do something together."

0:39:350:39:38

I'm a person who is just like... When you talk about music to me,

0:39:380:39:42

let's do it now. And I said, "Yes, Paul, let's do it!" and he said,

0:39:420:39:46

"Right, Joseph. I'll let you know where, when."

0:39:460:39:51

So we decided that I would write a song

0:39:510:39:54

and we would record outside of South Africa.

0:39:540:39:57

I didn't want to go back to South Africa.

0:39:570:40:00

I wasn't comfortable. I wanted to get out of there.

0:40:000:40:05

We took it back to New York,

0:40:100:40:12

and that's where the work really started. Putting it all together,

0:40:120:40:15

it was a heck of an undertaking.

0:40:150:40:18

The challenge on this album was there were no songs,

0:40:250:40:28

no arrangement. So the challenge was editing, editing, editing,

0:40:280:40:34

and lots of editing. You know, taking things from here and putting

0:40:340:40:37

them there, take that out, put it over here, and re-copying things.

0:40:370:40:41

If you heard what the tracks were originally, without his magic

0:40:420:40:46

and his echo and his devices that he used,

0:40:460:40:51

it wouldn't sound so huge and so mysterious.

0:40:510:40:54

So we finished all our editing, we made tracks that had some

0:41:000:41:04

semblance of a song there, and he went out and tried desperately

0:41:040:41:09

to put words to each one. And he did. And he slaved at it,

0:41:090:41:14

it was awfully hard,

0:41:140:41:15

because there's so much going on in those tracks.

0:41:150:41:18

You know, they are very busy tracks.

0:41:180:41:20

Paul came back from Africa and we met on holiday that year,

0:41:290:41:34

we were at the same place in the summer on Long Island.

0:41:340:41:38

I'd known him for a little while as a friend,

0:41:380:41:41

and he talked about this music, and I said, have you got it?

0:41:410:41:45

Let's hear it. So we went out in the car

0:41:450:41:47

and he played it on the car stereo.

0:41:470:41:49

'When I was writing back at home, I would write a verse,'

0:41:500:41:53

it would be fine, then I would write another verse

0:41:530:41:56

and it wouldn't be fine, I would write another verse and it would be fine.

0:41:560:41:59

It's all good, except that verse -

0:41:590:42:01

I don't know why that verse isn't good.

0:42:010:42:03

It should be, it seems like it's exactly the same as the others.

0:42:030:42:07

And I'm doing the lyrics in the same rhythm, I really don't get it.

0:42:070:42:12

I was really frustrated by not being able to get the lyrics to fit.

0:42:120:42:17

And then I'd say, let me really listen to what is going on.

0:42:170:42:20

And when I started to really listen, then I realised that the guitar part

0:42:200:42:26

was playing a different symmetry than I had assumed it was playing.

0:42:260:42:32

And the bass was doing something that was much more important

0:42:320:42:36

and that you really might be better off following what the bass was doing.

0:42:360:42:41

INAUDIBLE

0:42:430:42:45

'So I began to think about that, the rhythm, what that meant,

0:42:490:42:51

'and what effect that would have on the lyrics,'

0:42:510:42:55

and what effect that would have on storytelling. And I began to raise the bar for my own writing.

0:42:550:43:01

# Fat Charlie the archangel swooped into the room

0:43:010:43:06

# He said, "I have no opinion about this"

0:43:080:43:11

# And I have no opinion about that... #

0:43:110:43:14

'So I ended up writing abstract or ironic or...

0:43:170:43:20

'But in either case, sort of sophisticated lyrics'

0:43:200:43:24

to what were sophisticated rhythms.

0:43:240:43:27

Two, one, two, three...

0:43:280:43:31

'So you get a song like Graceland, where, you know,'

0:43:470:43:51

in the middle of the song there is a girl in New York City

0:43:510:43:54

who calls herself the human trampoline.

0:43:540:43:56

# There is a girl in New York City

0:43:560:43:58

# She calls herself a human trampoline... #

0:43:580:44:01

A lyric that would never appear in a South African song. I mean,

0:44:010:44:07

it's a very New York lyric. I wrote it while I was walking past

0:44:070:44:11

the Museum of Natural History, actually.

0:44:110:44:14

# And I'm going to Graceland, to Graceland... #

0:44:140:44:19

And I kept singing this chorus,

0:44:190:44:20

"I'm going to Graceland, I'm going to Graceland."

0:44:200:44:23

And I was thinking, of course, that will go away

0:44:230:44:26

because the song is not about Elvis Presley or Graceland, I mean,

0:44:260:44:31

it's a South African record. But it wouldn't go away. Finally,

0:44:310:44:36

I said, it's not going away, I'd better go to Graceland. I've never

0:44:360:44:41

been. I'd better make that trip and see... Maybe there's something

0:44:410:44:44

about this that I'm supposed to find out. And had I not made that trip,

0:44:440:44:49

I wouldn't have been able to write the landscape that is

0:44:490:44:53

the first verse about the Mississippi Delta

0:44:530:44:55

shining like a national guitar.

0:44:550:44:57

# Shining like a national guitar...

0:44:570:44:59

# I'm following the river down the highway

0:45:030:45:06

# Through the cradle of civil war... #

0:45:060:45:08

And so the song took on a bigger meaning.

0:45:080:45:11

# I'm going to Graceland, Graceland, in Memphis... #

0:45:110:45:15

It was a metaphor for a state of grace. I was taking absurdist lyrics

0:45:150:45:22

which I thought had no place with this rhythm track,

0:45:220:45:25

and finally saying, well, maybe it does have a place.

0:45:250:45:29

Sometimes when I'm falling, flying, tumbling in turmoil -

0:45:300:45:34

this was something else that I was doing, was a lot of syllables.

0:45:340:45:38

# This is what she means

0:45:380:45:40

# She means we're bouncing into Graceland... #

0:45:400:45:44

"This is what she means, she means we're bouncing into Graceland" -

0:45:440:45:46

which was also something that I hadn't done,

0:45:460:45:49

which was taking the chorus word and putting it into the verse.

0:45:490:45:53

Usually, the chorus has its own repetitive phrase or word,

0:45:530:45:58

and you don't hear that word in the verse. But now I was saying, well,

0:45:580:46:02

there's no reason to separate. They can bleed back and forth.

0:46:020:46:06

That's the beginning of saying, actually, these patterns that felt restrictive are not...

0:46:060:46:14

They needn't be there.

0:46:140:46:16

# I may be obliged to defend every love every ending... #

0:46:180:46:25

I remember he would invite me over to hear what he was doing.

0:46:250:46:28

We did that a lot in those days. We still do.

0:46:280:46:32

He would have the backing tracks

0:46:320:46:34

and he would play those to me and sing the words. Really...

0:46:340:46:39

At some point, I said, "Paul, this is going to be a really, really good record."

0:46:390:46:43

That's very good, guys.

0:46:550:46:56

'That was a great gift that I received'

0:46:560:47:00

from making the trip to South Africa, and, you know,

0:47:000:47:05

and collaborating with African musicians.

0:47:050:47:08

# Somebody cry, why, why, why? #

0:47:100:47:14

'It wasn't until I got home that I started to think,

0:47:140:47:16

'I could write a song for Ladysmith Black Mambazo.

0:47:160:47:19

'So I wrote Homeless, imitating them,'

0:47:190:47:23

and sent the demo to them and said, "You can use this

0:47:230:47:27

"or you can change it, add to it if you want,

0:47:270:47:31

"or change it completely if you want. Do anything you want to it."

0:47:310:47:34

# Homeless, homeless

0:47:360:47:39

# Moonlight sleeping on a midnight lake... #

0:47:390:47:42

After two weeks, we saw the cassette came in the post office from Paul.

0:47:420:47:46

And then we put the cassette to play, so he was playing a piano

0:47:460:47:52

and singing only two lines -

0:47:520:47:53

"homeless, homeless, moonlight sleeping on the midnight lake".

0:47:530:47:57

# Homeless, homeless

0:47:570:48:01

# The moonlight sleeping on a midnight lake... #

0:48:010:48:05

And then he was doing some other noise like...

0:48:050:48:08

And then when we thought, we said,

0:48:080:48:10

"Oh, maybe he was trying to say, "Gr-rr" and do all those things.

0:48:100:48:14

They wrote back and said, yeah, they liked it and they had some ideas.

0:48:140:48:19

And we decided to go to Abbey Road Studios in London.

0:48:190:48:24

-London!

-First-class.

-London!

0:48:240:48:28

THEY SING IN ZULU LANGUAGE

0:48:280:48:32

In London, we were taken to the studio,

0:48:380:48:41

and that was the first time for us as a group to meet Paul Simon.

0:48:410:48:45

Wow! It was wonderful.

0:48:450:48:48

It felt so good and so exciting. So the microphones

0:48:480:48:51

were set there and then we got there. We started to sing the song.

0:48:510:48:55

But the song didn't want to work the first day.

0:49:000:49:04

Our producer, here at home in the western coast was trying to help.

0:49:040:49:08

"No, guys, just sing it like this. Maybe Paul wants this."

0:49:080:49:11

And there was so many people trying to help. We tried the song

0:49:130:49:17

from two o'clock until six in the evening.

0:49:170:49:20

'And then the song didn't want to work at all. Paul Simon said, "OK,

0:49:270:49:30

'"let's call it a day and we will see tomorrow."'

0:49:300:49:34

We went back to our hotel very disappointed,

0:49:340:49:38

because usually Ladysmith Black Mambazo will record 12 songs a day.

0:49:380:49:43

But this time, only one song, we couldn't make it.

0:49:430:49:46

We were so disappointed. And then we got to the hotel,

0:49:460:49:50

we had dinner and then we got together, we prayed.

0:49:500:49:54

Our prayer was very, you know, deep that day.

0:49:540:49:59

I remember that I was so concerned. No, I've never failed in anything,

0:49:590:50:04

so this is no time to fail now.

0:50:040:50:07

And then so we practised the song until 12 midnight,

0:50:070:50:10

and then the song was together.

0:50:100:50:12

-I should come over here.

-'The next day when we went to the studio

0:50:140:50:18

'and Joseph Jacks walked up to Paul Simon and said,'

0:50:180:50:21

"We have been practising.

0:50:210:50:23

"So we want you to listen to what we have been practised."

0:50:230:50:27

THEY SING

0:50:270:50:29

We just looked at one another - OK, guys.

0:50:330:50:35

HE SINGS

0:50:350:50:38

Just like I'm angry.

0:50:380:50:40

HE SINGS IN ZULU LANGUAGE

0:50:400:50:44

And then Paul...

0:50:440:50:46

# Homeless... #

0:50:460:50:48

I nearly faint. I thought he was going to wait until we finished,

0:50:480:50:55

and he gets it in the right position.

0:50:550:50:58

# Homeless

0:51:020:51:05

# Homeless

0:51:050:51:07

# Moonlight sleeping on a midnight lake

0:51:070:51:10

# Homeless, homeless

0:51:100:51:13

# Moonlight sleeping on a midnight lake

0:51:130:51:17

# Homeless, homeless

0:51:170:51:20

# The moonlight sleeping on a midnight lake

0:51:200:51:24

# Homeless, homeless... #

0:51:240:51:27

'I think it took two takes. They had it so perfectly.

0:51:270:51:30

'The beginning of the song is a folk song, a traditional song.

0:51:300:51:34

'I said, "Well, what does it mean?"

0:51:340:51:36

'They said, "Oh, we are far away from home and we are sleeping'

0:51:360:51:40

"and our fists are our pillows." I said, "Oh, that's beautiful."

0:51:400:51:44

In two hours, the song was finished.

0:51:470:51:50

We were so excited and so satisfied and then we said,

0:51:500:51:55

"Ooof! This is it. Wonderful."

0:51:550:51:58

# Somebody sing... #

0:52:010:52:04

I enjoyed to work with Paul Simon, it was just like,

0:52:040:52:07

it's my younger brother or elder brother. Who is this guy?

0:52:070:52:12

He was hiding himself in America - this is my brother.

0:52:120:52:15

I called him brother every day.

0:52:150:52:18

Brother. Because of the music. Music is something like prayer.

0:52:180:52:22

# Homeless, homeless

0:52:240:52:27

# Moonlight sleeping on a midnight lake. #

0:52:270:52:33

Then we decided that we would get Ray and Bakiti,

0:52:350:52:38

and Isaac and form a kind of studio band.

0:52:380:52:42

And I invited them and Ladysmith to come to New York

0:52:420:52:46

to finish the album. And everybody was getting really excited.

0:52:460:52:51

First they got off the plane and were met by a limo, you know,

0:52:570:53:00

and a white driver, and they drove into Manhattan.

0:53:000:53:03

I used to see a limo in the movies,

0:53:030:53:06

and in South Africa, I don't remember seeing any limo anywhere,

0:53:060:53:10

you understand what I'm saying?

0:53:100:53:13

And it was a cool thing to be in the limo

0:53:130:53:16

and you are served whisky and that kind of thing.

0:53:160:53:18

You know, you are being treated like a musician.

0:53:180:53:21

I remember - was it Bakiti or Isaac?

0:53:220:53:25

He said, "We want to go to Central Park, where do we go to get a permit?"

0:53:250:53:29

I said, "You don't need a permit, you just go.

0:53:290:53:32

"You can go anywhere you want."

0:53:320:53:34

Those guys were coming from an imprisoned society

0:53:340:53:38

into freedom for the first time. It was very touching.

0:53:380:53:41

They were free. Free.

0:53:430:53:46

'The record was supposed to come out in the spring of '86,

0:53:530:53:58

'and we were booked to do Saturday Night Live,'

0:53:580:54:01

and Warner Brothers decided to postpone the record until the fall,

0:54:010:54:04

but we were booked for Saturday Night Live.

0:54:040:54:07

So I said, "We're all here, we might as well try to do another track."

0:54:070:54:11

So we did what became Diamonds On The Soles Of Her Shoes.

0:54:110:54:15

They were doing the song, then they stopped, and Paul Simon said,

0:54:150:54:20

"Can you play this song? I'm just doing this song,

0:54:200:54:25

Diamonds On The Soles Of Her Shoes.

0:54:250:54:27

And then Joseph just took a piece of paper

0:54:270:54:31

and then the pen and then he wrote it down. Only a few words.

0:54:310:54:36

What were the words?

0:54:360:54:38

HE SPEAKS ZULU

0:54:380:54:40

# She's rich girl She don't try to hide it

0:54:500:54:53

# Got diamonds on the soles of her shoes

0:54:530:54:57

# He's a poor boy

0:54:570:54:58

# Empty as a pocket, he's empty as a pocket with nothing to lose... #

0:54:580:55:04

The lyrics means...

0:55:040:55:07

HE SPEAKS ZULU

0:55:070:55:09

It's not usual...

0:55:090:55:12

HE SPEAKS ZULU

0:55:120:55:15

But in our days...

0:55:150:55:17

HE SPEAKS ZULU

0:55:170:55:18

We see those things happen.

0:55:180:55:22

HE SPEAKS ZULU

0:55:220:55:23

The women, they can take care of themselves.

0:55:230:55:26

# I got diamonds on the soles of my shoes... #

0:55:260:55:30

We decided to put Ladysmith at the end of the track, and they

0:55:320:55:37

had never sung with musicians before, they always sang a cappella.

0:55:370:55:42

We were there, maybe, not even two hours time. And then

0:55:440:55:48

Paul Simon said, at the end, let's do this.

0:55:480:55:51

# Da-na-na-na, da-na-na-na-na. #

0:55:510:55:53

Everybody was having a good time.

0:55:530:55:56

After that, we went to do Saturday Night Live. And everybody was

0:56:020:56:08

very nervous about that. That audience, they are very mean.

0:56:080:56:13

We didn't care because we knew we believed what we had was a gift.

0:56:130:56:17

We sing for you - if you like it, you like it, if you don't, you don't.

0:56:170:56:21

And we went on the show, and we sang the songs that weren't out

0:56:220:56:26

-on the record yet.

-Do you think people are going to like this,

0:56:260:56:29

-what you're doing?

-I'm not sure.

0:56:290:56:30

That's why I have this expression on.

0:56:300:56:32

Ladies and gentlemen, Paul Simon with Ladysmith Black Mambazo.

0:56:370:56:41

APPLAUSE

0:56:410:56:43

THEY SING IN ZULU LANGUAGE

0:56:490:56:53

# She's a rich girl She don't try to hide it

0:56:590:57:03

# Diamonds on the soles of her shoes

0:57:030:57:07

# He's a poor boy Empty as a pocket

0:57:070:57:10

# Empty as a pocket with nothing to lose

0:57:100:57:14

-# Sing ta-na-na

-Ta-na-na

0:57:140:57:16

# Ta-na-na-na

0:57:160:57:17

# She got diamonds on the soles of her shoes

0:57:170:57:21

-# Ta-na-na

-Ta-na-na... #

0:57:210:57:25

And then we sang the song. We performed it with confidence.

0:57:250:57:27

# People say she's crazy, she's got diamonds on the soles of her shoes

0:57:270:57:32

# Well, that's way to lose these walking boots

0:57:340:57:38

# Diamonds on the soles of her shoes. #

0:57:380:57:42

Everyone was kind of in awe.

0:57:420:57:44

It was unlike anything that had been on the show before.

0:57:440:57:47

And you felt it in the studio,

0:57:470:57:49

you knew it was happening in the country.

0:57:490:57:51

It was just, "boom".

0:57:510:57:53

'The cheering and the sound in the studio from the audience,'

0:57:590:58:04

it was so loud that I kind of lost my place in one of the things.

0:58:040:58:08

It was really surprising. Nobody had ever heard it before.

0:58:080:58:12

Them being on the show was a revolution in taste.

0:58:160:58:20

It was the synthesis of two cultures and the obvious affection that

0:58:200:58:26

they had for Paul and Paul had for them was the perfect moment.

0:58:260:58:30

Ladysmith Black Mambazo became the hippest act on the planet.

0:58:360:58:39

Everybody wanted Ladysmith Black Mambazo.

0:58:390:58:43

They became international stars and remain so.

0:58:430:58:46

So, almost two years after I first went to South Africa,

0:58:480:58:51

the record finally came out.

0:58:510:58:54

There's so much despair coming out of South Africa,

0:58:560:58:58

so many haunting issues of debt and oppression. It's sometimes hard

0:58:580:59:02

to remember that life there does go on in all of its forms.

0:59:020:59:05

And a celebration of the black life of South Africa can be heard

0:59:050:59:09

in this country in a remarkable album called Graceland.

0:59:090:59:12

All artists who have long careers periodically hit dead ends.

0:59:130:59:17

And if you're going to keep a career going, you have to keep being

0:59:170:59:20

a kid again. And that is in a way what he did with Graceland,

0:59:200:59:25

to be a kid again, to go back to three chords,

0:59:250:59:28

to be bouncing around,

0:59:280:59:30

to be making joyous, danceable music.

0:59:300:59:32

It's my favourite album of all time.

0:59:350:59:39

It just sort of opened up a space inside of you.

0:59:390:59:43

For myself, my deep and now abiding interest in South Africa

0:59:430:59:50

was stirred by first listening to Graceland.

0:59:500:59:53

Simon's work Graceland recently won a Grammy for album of the year.

0:59:550:59:58

But somewhere around three weeks after it came out,

0:59:581:00:02

the first criticism came. Which I was completely unprepared for.

1:00:021:00:09

And the criticism was...

1:00:091:00:12

"You broke the UN cultural boycott."

1:00:131:00:16

-NEWSREADER:

-Paul Simon has run into political problems in South Africa.

1:00:161:00:19

The African National Congress

1:00:191:00:22

protested his recording in South Africa - a violation, they said,

1:00:221:00:25

of the UN cultural boycott.

1:00:251:00:27

The album had the controversy around it. It was very vexed,

1:00:281:00:32

going to South Africa at that time.

1:00:321:00:34

And you got the feeling Paul Simon had gone into it

1:00:341:00:37

on a stealth mission and collaborated with the South Africans.

1:00:371:00:40

He was collaborating, it turned out, with the right South Africans,

1:00:401:00:43

but the whole project seemed a little odd.

1:00:431:00:47

A lot of the press picked it up in the United States -

1:00:471:00:50

Rolling Stone amongst them - and kind of saw an opportunity to

1:00:501:00:54

beat up on a famous guy who may be made a mistake. So they were all

1:00:541:01:00

"Paul Simon didn't ask permission from the UN

1:01:001:01:06

"and is on the blacklist from the UN."

1:01:061:01:09

The intensity of the criticism really did surprise me.

1:01:111:01:15

And part of the criticism was, "Here is this white guy from

1:01:151:01:19

"New York. And he came in and ripped off these poor, innocent guys."

1:01:191:01:25

There is an aspect of this album that bothered me initially.

1:01:251:01:29

You have this rich white guy singing on top of these

1:01:291:01:33

South African singers.

1:01:331:01:35

To demonstrate how his work melded with that of the South Africans,

1:01:351:01:38

he first played a track of a popular local band.

1:01:381:01:41

MUSIC PLAYS

1:01:411:01:43

And then the same tune after it had been Simonised...

1:01:431:01:47

To me at the time it seemed like the tourist picture.

1:01:471:01:49

"Here is me in front of the Taj Mahal in my T-shirt waving."

1:01:491:01:52

And that bothered me at the time. At this point, it doesn't.

1:01:521:01:55

I think he was right, and he was ahead of me.

1:01:551:01:59

You know, he was saying, we can make this amalgam work,

1:01:591:02:03

this combination work. And I think a lot of people at the time

1:02:031:02:07

had this knee-jerk reaction of, you know, "rich, privileged white guy,

1:02:071:02:11

"poor country, must be bad."

1:02:111:02:13

How can you justify going there, taking all of this music from this

1:02:131:02:17

country? It's nothing but stealing. It ain't nothing but stealing.

1:02:171:02:21

ISOLATED APPLAUSE

1:02:211:02:23

How can you just go and tell me, "Oh, I went there..."

1:02:231:02:26

Graceland is a collaboration.

1:02:261:02:28

You don't believe that it's possible to have a collaboration?

1:02:281:02:32

It's always an interesting debate. It's happened all the way

1:02:321:02:35

through history, particularly through black history.

1:02:351:02:38

Do you believe that a collaboration is possible

1:02:381:02:40

-between musicians?

-Between you and them? No.

-Why?

-You don't understand.

1:02:401:02:45

-Why, because I'm white and they're South African?

-You don't understand.

1:02:451:02:49

With the Beatles, we actually recycled American black music

1:02:491:02:53

to Americans. We came over and we were really doing a lot of Motown.

1:02:531:03:00

But a lot of white kids hadn't heard Motown.

1:03:001:03:05

You don't understand the music.

1:03:051:03:07

Well, you are saying something that they, these musicians,

1:03:071:03:11

in fact, disagree with.

1:03:111:03:13

I accepted Paul's music and what he'd done the minute it came out -

1:03:131:03:18

I had no resistance to that. I am a fan of his,

1:03:181:03:23

and I like very much, so much, what he's done. And to have

1:03:231:03:27

that album, in particular, which was filled with moments of great genius,

1:03:271:03:32

and delight, a lot of that welcoming however was under the understanding,

1:03:321:03:38

or at least the belief, that he would square what he was doing

1:03:381:03:43

with the powers who led the resistance to apartheid.

1:03:431:03:47

Which was the ANC. It never dawned on me that that was not the case,

1:03:471:03:52

and I didn't know that that was not the case until Paul

1:03:521:03:55

called and we met in my home. And he explained to me that he had

1:03:551:04:01

this crisis, or this obstacle before him.

1:04:011:04:05

Harry said, "You should talk to the ANC."

1:04:051:04:08

So when I met with the ANC, I said, "Hey, I have no fight with the ANC,

1:04:081:04:13

"we have no fight with the ANC. We support the ANC,

1:04:131:04:17

"we'd be willing to do concerts for you." And they said,

1:04:171:04:21

"Look, here is the problem.

1:04:211:04:23

"You went to South Africa, but you didn't ask us.

1:04:231:04:26

"And the way, the way we are structured is if you...

1:04:281:04:34

"You have to ask ANC if you're going to do anything."

1:04:341:04:37

So I said, "Oh, really? Is that the kind of government you are going to be?"

1:04:391:04:43

You know, does that mean I have to, you know, we have to show you

1:04:431:04:47

what kind of lyrics we're going to write, or if

1:04:471:04:50

the musicians' union decides to vote this way and you don't like

1:04:501:04:53

the way to vote, then you will change it around?

1:04:531:04:56

I mean, so, I mean, that's just a government that just...

1:04:561:04:59

You're going to fuck the artists like all kinds of governments.

1:04:591:05:03

What are we talking about here?

1:05:031:05:06

-What was their response?

-The guy's response was, "Hey,

1:05:061:05:10

"personally, I agree with you. But that's what the policy is."

1:05:101:05:12

When you have a boycott, it's not flexible. For many people,

1:05:141:05:18

that was the issue. Is Paul Simon busting the gates of the cultural

1:05:181:05:24

boycott open? We were part of this international sanctions campaign,

1:05:241:05:30

which was cultural and sports and business and military.

1:05:301:05:35

And in all of those areas, it wasn't about,

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"Well, we have a military embargo, but this American tank,

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"that one can go through." You know, it was complete.

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And it was complete for a reason.

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Because you can't ask of everyone what you don't ask of one.

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Hugh is here, here comes Hugh now. Hi, Hugh. How you doing?

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'Hugh is one of the great South African musicians.

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'He is an international star, and he was a political exile.

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'Hugh connected up with me in London and we began to talk about touring.'

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And I don't think that I could have done it without him.

1:06:181:06:21

B-flat, size 1.

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Paul had just come from South Africa and he said,

1:06:271:06:31

"Listen, I just did this thing

1:06:311:06:33

"and I would really like to take it all over the world. You interested?"

1:06:331:06:36

I said, of course.

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And I said to Paul, it would be good to pull in, like, Miriam Makeba,

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because I was anticipating the troubles also.

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Here now is Miriam Makeba.

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APPLAUSE

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Miriam Makeba became the most visible African artist in the 1960s

1:07:021:07:08

when nobody had heard of artists from South Africa.

1:07:081:07:10

She was the first artist to really break that.

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And she was the first person

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to conscientise not only the world but America, especially, about

1:07:141:07:19

-what was happening in South Africa.

-Would you not resist if you

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were allowed no rights in your own country?

1:07:221:07:25

We had been away from home

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by that time, me and Miriam, over 25 years. In exile.

1:07:271:07:32

I spoke to Miriam, she was interested, and I knew it was

1:07:321:07:36

going to be great. We were going to be like pigs in mud

1:07:361:07:39

with all that was going to happen.

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APPLAUSE AND CHEERING

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# The sun was beating on the soldier by the side of the road

1:07:591:08:03

# There was a bright light A shattering of shop windows

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# As the bomb in the baby carriage was wired to the radio

1:08:091:08:12

# These other days of miracle and wonder

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# This is the long distance call... #

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By the time we did the Graceland tour, and you saw the physical

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presence of Africans and whites and the melange,

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the mixture of races and cultures, that was a supreme moment.

1:08:271:08:34

He wanted to demonstrate that he wasn't all the things

1:08:341:08:38

that were inferred by the fact that he had broken the boycott.

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So by putting Miriam Makeba and Ladysmith Black Mambazo

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and the whole...as you say,

1:08:451:08:49

back there, he did a lot to balance social conflict,

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or social contradiction. And in that context, I think,

1:08:541:09:01

he declared to the audiences that he faced where his deeper self resided.

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I remember when we were on tour,

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especially in Europe during the winter times,

1:09:131:09:17

every time Black Mambazo went on the stage and started singing...

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HE SINGS IN ZULU LANGUAGE

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..I would feel tears coming. Here I am, I am an African boy,

1:09:341:09:39

I'm in the middle of the snow.

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And people have come to this show, they have 50,000 people

1:09:411:09:45

filled up in the stadium. And I would be crying, like,

1:09:451:09:48

"Damn. We are really seeing the world."

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Now, at the time, the boycott stated that

1:09:561:10:00

South African musicians could not play

1:10:001:10:02

anywhere in the world. Paul decided

1:10:021:10:05

that it was a risk he was prepared to take.

1:10:051:10:08

Touring with Graceland was actually quite tense at times,

1:10:081:10:12

particularly in Europe.

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Before every concert, the police would come with bomb-sniffing dogs

1:10:141:10:18

and go through the whole theatre.

1:10:181:10:20

We had a couple of theatres evacuated, and shows

1:10:201:10:24

postponed because of bomb threats.

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NEWSREEL: 'The day he arrived, a hand grenade was thrown at a building

1:10:271:10:30

'housing sound equipment to be used during the concerts.

1:10:301:10:33

'A group calling itself the Azanian National Liberation Army

1:10:331:10:37

'claimed responsibility. More violence was threatened

1:10:371:10:39

'unless Simon called off the tour.'

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I remember when we were in London, especially, we performed

1:10:421:10:46

at the Royal Albert Hall - I think we were there for 10 days or so -

1:10:461:10:51

and of course we had the anti-apartheid movement

1:10:511:10:53

protesting.

1:10:531:10:55

'Outside the Albert Hall, leaflets critical of the activities

1:10:551:10:58

'of the star are presented to his bemused fans.'

1:10:581:11:02

At one point, somebody

1:11:031:11:06

called the hotel in London

1:11:061:11:09

and ordered the South Africans to go back home.

1:11:091:11:12

I was in a room with Ray Phiri,

1:11:121:11:15

and Ray says, "Asante, do you believe this?

1:11:151:11:18

"We face apartheid every day,

1:11:181:11:20

"and you're ordering us to go home - are you crazy?!"

1:11:201:11:24

I've never seen Ray so angry!

1:11:241:11:27

I remember, I got a call at the hotel in London -

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I've got to go and see the ANC.

1:11:321:11:34

I went to a pub, when I met some of the...

1:11:341:11:37

senior members of the movement,

1:11:371:11:39

who wanted to know what I was doing.

1:11:391:11:42

And I told them that no, we had to perform.

1:11:421:11:46

Perform with whom? With Paul Simon.

1:11:461:11:49

They told me, "Don't you know that there's a cultural boycott?"

1:11:491:11:53

I said, "OK, tell me, like I'm a seven-year-old, teach me

1:11:531:11:57

"what did I do wrong. I don't understand it, I'm the victim here.

1:11:571:12:00

"I live in South Africa.

1:12:001:12:02

"How can you victimise the victim twice?"

1:12:021:12:05

Ladies and gentlemen, Hugh Masekela.

1:12:051:12:09

That militant approach was at the core of the criticism

1:12:191:12:23

that was levelled against me,

1:12:231:12:26

and had it not been for Hugh Masekela and for Miriam Makeba

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and Ray Phiri, and all the South Africans who were on the tour,

1:12:311:12:35

who said, "Stop, what are you doing?"

1:12:351:12:38

You know? "We WANT to be out here, we WANT to show our music"...

1:12:381:12:41

There's a train that comes from Namibia

1:12:411:12:45

and Malawi...

1:12:451:12:47

From Lesotho, from Botswana, from Swaziland,

1:12:471:12:51

from all the hinterlands of southern and central Africa,

1:12:511:12:55

this train carries young and old African men who are conscripted

1:12:551:12:59

to come and work on contract

1:12:591:13:02

in the golden mineral mines of Johannesburg.

1:13:021:13:06

There would be press conferences all the time.

1:13:061:13:08

And the press conferences were, like, just people who were

1:13:081:13:11

just hoping that I had made some kind of ridiculous mistake.

1:13:111:13:14

But when it hit the fan,

1:13:141:13:17

Hugh and Miriam, I mean, they could barely be contained.

1:13:171:13:19

Hugh would say,

1:13:191:13:21

"What did you ever do for South Africa?"

1:13:211:13:24

I mean, there were times when we really had to, like,

1:13:241:13:28

hold him back! He wanted to...

1:13:281:13:30

Hugh wanted to be in a fight. So mostly,

1:13:301:13:33

we were trying to explain that we were

1:13:331:13:38

as anti-apartheid as could be, that Hugh

1:13:381:13:42

was an exile, that Miriam was not allowed to come back

1:13:421:13:46

for the burial of her daughter,

1:13:461:13:48

that we were very much against the regime.

1:13:481:13:51

..and think about the loved ones that they left behind

1:13:511:13:54

and may never see again, because...

1:13:541:13:57

'We used to have furious arguments'

1:13:571:13:59

about the boycott, you know?

1:13:591:14:01

Because I said, I just said,

1:14:011:14:03

"It's great, and it's helping South Africa."

1:14:031:14:06

But when you start to like also ban South African musicians,

1:14:061:14:10

who can't make contact with the outside world - outstanding artists -

1:14:101:14:15

they can't be hard on people who are already suffering in South Africa.

1:14:151:14:18

You can't witch-hunt your people - this show is going to be a smash,

1:14:181:14:22

and it's going to play to many people who have never heard of South Africa.

1:14:221:14:28

When I was in exile in Botswana,

1:14:321:14:34

I had thought...

1:14:341:14:36

of, er, joining the ANC.

1:14:361:14:40

But over the years I've learned that

1:14:401:14:43

if an artist, or anybody, has really something to say

1:14:431:14:46

about their concerns for the wellbeing of people,

1:14:461:14:50

then they're in the wrong place if they join a political party,

1:14:501:14:54

because they have to then follow the strict rules of the party.

1:14:541:14:58

And I've never been able to, like, live under rules.

1:14:581:15:02

We went to Zimbabwe. Paul wanted to give

1:15:051:15:08

South Africans a chance to witness

1:15:081:15:10

what we have been giving the people in Europe,

1:15:101:15:14

in America, all over the world, so he chose

1:15:141:15:18

to do it in Zimbabwe. A lot of South Africans came over

1:15:181:15:21

to witness this, and it was beautiful.

1:15:211:15:24

Ladies and gentlemen, comrades and friends,

1:15:241:15:27

this is Graceland in concert 1987.

1:15:271:15:30

CROWD CHEERS AND APPLAUDS

1:15:301:15:34

She's been in political exile now for 27 years.

1:15:361:15:38

They call her Mama Africa, the queen of South African music,

1:15:381:15:43

Miriam Makeba.

1:15:431:15:45

CROWD CHEERS AND SCREAMS, MUSIC STARTS

1:15:451:15:50

# Joseph's face was black as night

1:15:561:16:01

# The pale yellow moon

1:16:011:16:04

# Shone in his eyes

1:16:041:16:07

# This is the story of how we begin to remember

1:16:081:16:13

SHE REPLIES IN SWAHILI

1:16:131:16:15

# This is the powerful pulsing of love in the vein

1:16:151:16:19

# After the dream of falling and calling your name out

1:16:221:16:27

# These are the roots of rhythm

1:16:291:16:31

# And the roots of rhythm remain... #

1:16:311:16:35

The Zimbabwe concert meant a lot to me,

1:16:351:16:38

and to a lot of us, because

1:16:381:16:41

it was great for South Africans to get together,

1:16:411:16:43

not just black South Africans,

1:16:431:16:45

but black and white South Africans,

1:16:451:16:47

which is something that was never done.

1:16:471:16:50

# In early memory

1:16:501:16:53

# Sounds of music were ringing round

1:16:531:16:56

# Were ringing round my grandmother's door... #

1:16:561:17:01

Everybody knew how important this moment is. It was amazing,

1:17:011:17:05

because Masekela them and Miriam them

1:17:051:17:07

embraced the whole project, and really,

1:17:071:17:10

made sure we're doing it right.

1:17:101:17:12

It's very important to be unified.

1:17:121:17:15

They really prepped us really nice, and set an example for us.

1:17:151:17:18

HE PLAYS INTRO TO NKOSI SIKELEL' IAFRIKA

1:17:181:17:24

# Nkosi sikelel' iAfrika... #

1:17:241:17:31

I think the idea of us singing the South African anthem,

1:17:311:17:34

it came from Paul.

1:17:341:17:36

It was the forbidden one at that time.

1:17:361:17:38

As soon as we start the song,

1:17:381:17:41

Paul would step back,

1:17:411:17:43

because he didn't understand the lyrics, you know.

1:17:431:17:46

But I think after... two or three days,

1:17:461:17:50

we said, "No. Paul, you have to learn the lyrics,

1:17:501:17:54

"because we are all one here,

1:17:541:17:57

"and this is about you and all of us,

1:17:571:18:01

"so you need to learn the lyrics." So we taught him!

1:18:011:18:03

# Nkosi sikelel' iAfrika... #

1:18:031:18:08

'To be standing on the stage'

1:18:081:18:10

with people whose lives were scarred by apartheid

1:18:101:18:13

was very, very powerful.

1:18:131:18:16

I really felt privileged

1:18:161:18:19

and honoured to be asked to be a part of it.

1:18:191:18:21

# Thina lusapho lwayo. #

1:18:211:18:25

CROWD SCREAMS AND CHEERS

1:18:251:18:28

As Graceland became a phenomenon, people began

1:18:281:18:31

to put a very clear human face

1:18:311:18:35

on the victims of apartheid.

1:18:351:18:38

Suddenly, here's Joseph Shabalala, here's Miriam Makeba,

1:18:381:18:42

here's suddenly these charismatic, gifted people,

1:18:421:18:46

and they are...revealing

1:18:461:18:49

a...a magical world.

1:18:491:18:52

THEY PLAY AND SING

1:18:521:18:54

And people said, "Oh, my God, what do you mean

1:18:541:18:57

"that that's going on there? This is really a crime."

1:18:571:19:01

Not that they didn't think it before,

1:19:011:19:03

but suddenly, it became a very powerful, emotional,

1:19:031:19:08

realisation - and that is what was going on with Graceland.

1:19:081:19:13

But you can't forget that all of them

1:19:181:19:20

who had performed with you out there returned to a country in which

1:19:201:19:25

they had no citizenship and no rights.

1:19:251:19:27

So, as people themselves,

1:19:271:19:31

it may have been good for them in terms of their careers,

1:19:311:19:34

it may have been a wonderful thing

1:19:341:19:36

in terms of spreading knowledge of our music,

1:19:361:19:39

but, you know, they are... they are individuals,

1:19:391:19:42

and we were a nation under apartheid.

1:19:421:19:46

And so whatever was good for the nation

1:19:461:19:49

came first, not what is good for a few individuals.

1:19:491:19:54

But what did the artists have to say about that?

1:19:541:19:58

Because my experience, from my own country,

1:19:581:20:02

and in general, is that there's a certain hierarchy.

1:20:021:20:06

At the top are the politicians -

1:20:061:20:09

and behind the politicians are the mysterious people

1:20:091:20:13

who have money and power.

1:20:131:20:14

After that comes the warriors.

1:20:141:20:17

Then comes the economists, who say, "This is how a structure must be."

1:20:171:20:22

And somewhere down the list comes the artist.

1:20:221:20:26

-Mmm.

-And when the artist comes in,

1:20:261:20:28

the politician says, "We really need you to come and play

1:20:281:20:32

"for this fundraiser." "Oh, we have a very important dinner, we'd

1:20:321:20:35

"like you to come and sing a few songs acoustically after dinner."

1:20:351:20:38

The artists are always treated

1:20:381:20:41

as if we worked for... the politicians.

1:20:411:20:45

AUDIENCE APPLAUDS AND CHEERS

1:20:451:20:50

Thank you.

1:20:551:20:56

Thank you and welcome...

1:20:561:20:59

to this, er, reunion of

1:20:591:21:01

the 25th anniversary of the release of Graceland.

1:21:011:21:05

These are the musicians who played on the record

1:21:051:21:09

and toured with us,

1:21:091:21:11

and it's been a great joy for me

1:21:111:21:13

reunite with them after so many years.

1:21:131:21:18

That was the flaw in the cultural boycott -

1:21:351:21:39

saying, "We won't let you come over here

1:21:391:21:42

"and record, and bring what you know

1:21:421:21:44

"to intermingle with what we know, so that WE can grow,

1:21:441:21:47

"so that we ALL can grow, and so that we all can grow

1:21:471:21:51

"the deep truth that artists speak."

1:21:511:21:56

# The Mississippi Delta

1:21:581:22:00

# Was shining like a national guitar

1:22:001:22:02

# I am following the river down the highway

1:22:061:22:09

# Through the cradle of the civil war

1:22:091:22:12

# I'm going to Graceland, Graceland

1:22:141:22:16

# Memphis, Tennessee I'm going to Graceland... #

1:22:161:22:20

If there's anything that can conquer the world,

1:22:211:22:25

music, a song - you don't have to understand the language,

1:22:251:22:28

you just have to understand the feel. I mean, it's 13 notes,

1:22:281:22:32

and all - every musician plays...we're all playing

1:22:321:22:36

around 13 notes.

1:22:361:22:39

# It's a turn-around jump shot It's everybody jump start

1:22:461:22:50

# It's every generation throws a hero up the pop charts

1:22:501:22:54

# Medicine is magical, and magical is art

1:22:541:22:58

# The boy in the bubble The baby with the baboon heart... #

1:22:581:23:01

Music evolved the way the album predicted.

1:23:011:23:04

A lot of people make music this way now. It's early sampling.

1:23:041:23:07

The album uses something from elsewhere and puts you on top of it,

1:23:071:23:10

and is a layered assemblage

1:23:101:23:13

and places and ideas, and... welcome to hip-hop.

1:23:131:23:16

INTRO TO "Bodyguard"

1:23:161:23:20

# A man walks down the street, he says,

1:23:271:23:30

# Why am I soft in the middle now?

1:23:301:23:32

# Why am I soft in the middle? the rest of my life is so hard

1:23:321:23:36

# I need a photo opportunity

1:23:361:23:38

# I want a shot at redemption

1:23:381:23:40

# Don't want to end up a cartoon in a cartoon graveyard... #

1:23:401:23:43

You can call me Al is really the story of somebody

1:23:431:23:47

like me who just,

1:23:471:23:49

you know, goes to Africa with no idea, and ends up

1:23:491:23:53

having some extraordinary spiritual experience.

1:23:531:23:57

# he looks around, around He sees angels... #

1:23:591:24:02

"Angels in the architecture, spinning in infinity...

1:24:021:24:05

"Amen, hallelujah."

1:24:051:24:06

And starts off with, "Why am I soft in the middle?

1:24:061:24:09

"The rest of my life is so hard."

1:24:091:24:11

Self-obsessed...person

1:24:111:24:14

becomes aware.

1:24:141:24:17

# Emaweni we baba

1:24:171:24:23

Silala emaweni

1:24:201:24:23

# Emaweni we baba

1:24:231:24:27

Silala emaweni

1:24:251:24:27

# Emaweni we baba

1:24:271:24:30

Silala emaweni

1:24:281:24:30

# We baba Silala emaweni... #

1:24:301:24:34

When Mandela finally was let out of jail,

1:24:341:24:38

everybody was ecstatic.

1:24:381:24:40

-NEWSREEL:

-'Thousands of people gathered,

1:24:401:24:43

'waiting for the first words

1:24:431:24:45

'in more than 27 years from Nelson Mandela.'

1:24:451:24:47

I greet you all

1:24:471:24:50

in the name of peace,

1:24:501:24:53

democracy and freedom for all!

1:24:531:24:58

# And we are homeless

1:24:581:25:00

# Homeless

1:25:001:25:02

# We're moonlight sleeping on a midnight lake... #

1:25:021:25:06

And then, ironically, we had the pleasure of being invited by the ANC

1:25:061:25:09

to come and perform in South Africa -

1:25:091:25:13

at Mandela's invitation.

1:25:131:25:15

In the news this morning,

1:25:151:25:16

Paul Simon opened his South African tour last night,

1:25:161:25:19

with a concert in Johannesburg.

1:25:191:25:20

The UN and the ANC

1:25:201:25:24

believe that the cultural boycott should be lifted,

1:25:241:25:26

and they've made that announcement.

1:25:261:25:28

'I've never gone into any of these struggles

1:25:301:25:33

'not believing it was going to end.'

1:25:331:25:35

All oppression has to end.

1:25:351:25:37

And I think that art played a huge role in defeating

1:25:371:25:41

the apartheid system - ALL the artists.

1:25:411:25:45

And I think Paul was one of them.

1:25:451:25:48

I think the thing is, we ARE today free.

1:25:481:25:51

-Yes.

-And the journey to freedom

1:25:511:25:54

was not a straight road,

1:25:541:25:57

and there are those, like yourself, who have,

1:25:571:26:01

in some people's view, a misunderstood legacy,

1:26:011:26:05

when it comes to the cultural boycott.

1:26:051:26:07

But that doesn't go to you.

1:26:071:26:09

It goes to a political situation which was forced on all of us.

1:26:091:26:13

# Many deaths tonight, it could be you... #

1:26:131:26:17

The power of art, it lasts,

1:26:171:26:20

because the political dispute that we had,

1:26:201:26:23

-it has really gone.

-That's it.

-But the music

1:26:231:26:26

-still brings people together.

-That's it.

1:26:261:26:29

So, er, that's it, I make my case on behalf of artists.

1:26:291:26:33

-Ha-ha-ha!

-And I apologise to you if I...if my

1:26:331:26:37

lack of...awareness caused you

1:26:371:26:39

any feelings that I was harming the cause.

1:26:391:26:42

-I certainly never meant it.

-I know.

-You know that.

-I know.

-Good.

1:26:421:26:44

# Somebody said... #

1:26:441:26:47

We let bygones be bygones.

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We're welcoming to all, and that includes Paul Simon,

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because we have no malice towards you.

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-We do not consider you somebody who...

-I know that.

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..who tried to stop our struggle.

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We consider you somebody who fell into the whirlpool

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of that struggle,

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did beautiful, creative things within it,

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but who was subject to the political storms

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-that were raging at the time.

-Mm-hmm.

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But we love you, you're a brother.

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And, um, you have our respect.

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-I'm happy to hear it.

-OK, man.

-Thank you.

-Ha-ha!

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# Kulumani sizwe

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# Singenze njani

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# Baya jabula abasi thanda

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# Yo, wo. #

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# She got diamonds on the soles of her shoes

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# Because I please you

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