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For the past two years Grayson Perry has been working

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behind the scenes at the British Museum.

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He is been given a free hand to choose whatever he wants

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from the museum's collection of more than eight million objects.

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He's also been making 25 of his own works of art,

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ranging from his trademark ceramics, to a working motorbike.

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The resulting exhibition - The Tomb of the Unknown Craftsman -

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is as if we had stepped into the once-buried treasures

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of a newly discovered civilisation.

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A civilisation built entirely around the obsessions

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of Grayson Perry himself.

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And presided over by a mysterious God -

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Perry's childhood teddy bear, Alan Measles.

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Most of the things in the British Museum have been made,

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on the whole, by anonymous craftsmen,

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and so I wanted to somehow make their tomb.

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They are not soldiers, they are creators.

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All the loveliness they have made surrounds them.

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In a way, the unknown craftsmen, they are there

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in the British Museum.

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All of their legacy.

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In 2003, Grayson Perry won the Turner Prize

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for his richly decorated,

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and often sharply satirical ceramic pots.

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Since then, Grayson, and his transvestite alter ego, Claire,

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have been a fixture of the British contemporary art scene.

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But this show will mark a radical departure for him,

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both in the scale of its ambition,

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and in the way he wants his work to be perceived.

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What I'm doing here,

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this pot is as much about the British Museum as anything.

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One of the central kind of ideas of the show is that

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the British Museum is a kind of place of pilgrimage,

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a kind of temple.

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This is one of the more pleasurable aspects of making a pot. Most of the hard work has been done,

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I've built the pot, put on all the colours.

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It's all looking quite pretty, in a kind of pottery sort of way,

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but when you put the transfer on it's quite nice,

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because you get quite a dramatic effect quite quickly.

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I love the way that the different colours come through.

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But I actually went round the museum

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taking photographs of all these faces from the collection.

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I'd build up the layers of transfers,

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they are very sort of ephemeral and wraith-like.

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If you want to get all poetic about it,

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these could be like the ghosts

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of all these different craftsmen coming through!

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I am increasingly being dissatisfied with the context

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of the contemporary art space as an arena where I want to put my work.

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Things are given a spurious significance

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by being in the gallery now.

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It used to be you built the gallery to put this significant objects in,

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now you put insignificant objects into the gallery

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in order to give them significance.

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That, for me, I find, that's worn out now.

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When it was a novel thought 100 years ago,

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when Duchamp said "artists will just be people who point,"

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that was an interesting thought.

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Now, it's boring. And I get a little bit tired of a lot of art

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because it's not special enough.

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I like the British Museum - it's full of special things.

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Several of the artworks Perry has been creating

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reflect his feelings about the British Museum.

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The Rosetta Vase invites the viewer to decipher

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the meaning of the show, in much the way that the museum's

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Rosetta Stone unlocked the secrets of ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics.

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But it's something of a tease.

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The exhibition has been taking shape in Grayson's imagination for years.

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One of the most important parts of my business is sketch books.

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This is my kind of ideas, and doodles,

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and what I work on slightly pissed in front of a telly.

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That was going to be the poster to the show.

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I don't know if it's going to be now.

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I thought that kind of, this idea of the British Museum

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as a kind of Tibetan monastery,

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which we were all making our pilgrimage towards.

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I was trying to find the very first doodle,

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because what I'm building here,

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is The Tomb of the Unknown Craftsman,

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and a classic idea of what is an exhibition at the British Museum

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is the contents of a tomb.

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I was thinking, what form do I want it to take?

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And I'd always wanted to make a ship.

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This being an ark of craftsmanship carrying the kind of remnants,

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or ideas, or skills into the future.

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I imagine it being six feet long, and I want in cast iron,

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and so this is quite a technically ambitious challenge for me.

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So I've made this,

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this is a quarter-scale maquette of how I want it.

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And then comes the small matter of scaling it up.

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As well as saluting the countless, nameless craftsmen

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who made the objects in the British Museum,

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as always, with Perry's work,

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there is an autobiographical motivation too.

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I mean, it might be quite interesting during

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this period to try and unpick what my motivation is

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for wanting to have a one-man civilisation,

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or to make a tomb of the unknown craftsman.

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I think it's a tomb for my father in some ways,

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though he's still alive.

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The kind of idealised...

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..utility man.

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The man who could do anything.

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You know, the man who could build a wall,

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rewire the telly...

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..service the car.

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I mean, I probably have an idealised idea of my father,

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because he left when I was very young.

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When Perry was five years old,

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his mother had an affair with the milkman.

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His father left the family home, and Grayson's life for ever,

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leaving behind a shed full of tools, and a motorbike.

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I've always loved motorcycles, all my life.

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And I've always particularly liked custom motorbikes,

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because I can't really build one myself, I haven't got the skills.

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So I've been waiting around for the money to commission one to be built. Wow!

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LAUGHTER

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-The big day has arrived.

-The big day!

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This is the machine.

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-First impressions is, it's mighty!

-Get across it.

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Get across it.

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-Look at that!

-Oh my God, it's like tractortastic!

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No, I love it! It's the sort of bonkersness of it.

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What's interesting about the custom bike scene is that it's a relevant

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and thriving example of custom craftsmanship, for the customer.

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A motorcycle, or a car, is a status object for the modern man,

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in the same way as a suit of armour,

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or an embroidered robe would have been for a Tudor king.

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So, to go to these guys and lay out a huge amount of money

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on something for display seems an amazingly timeless thing to do.

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I want people to sort of fight to not touch it, that's what I like.

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Because with ceramics, people always want to stroke them, because they're so seductive.

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So with that, that's what I want from this.

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This is the whole reason for the bike,

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this throne is why the bike is built basically.

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The head of my personal church -

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Alan Measles.

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Good old Alan.

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Good old Alan, well yeah, we've all got a lot to thank him for.

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Alan Measles is my teddy bear.

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He's coming up to 50, and he is my personal deity.

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And has been since childhood, really.

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He's a kind of benign dictator of my imaginary universe,

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and he's a possessor of all the good qualities of man.

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He's a kind of carrier of goodness and maleness.

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-That's his throne.

-Wow!

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I've made him the kind of God of my art world.

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I've made quite a few works about him as God.

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Because I think cuddly toys and God have a lot in common.

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It's a bit like driving a very fast traction engine.

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Grayson grew up in suburban Essex,

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in a household now dominated by a stepfather he disliked.

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Throughout this often unhappy period in his life,

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he withdrew into a fantasy world,

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playing games with his teddy bear - Alan Measles.

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Alan Measles remains at the heart of Perry's imaginative universe to this day,

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and will play a presiding role in the civilisation

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he intends to create at the British Museum.

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In setting myself up against the objects of the British Museum,

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where a lot of those objects in the show, the people who made them

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would have spent their entire lives making just that sort of object,

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within a very narrow tradition.

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And they attained a sort of relaxed fluency that is impossible to match

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if you're only going to do that thing for a few hours,

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days, or weeks.

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This pot that I'm working on now is a Tomb Guardian.

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The idea of a Tomb Guardian, a kind of scary figure,

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that sort of stands at the entrance of something,

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a warning to evil forces,

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that whole idea is very prevalent in lots of different cultures,

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so I thought I have got to have a bit of that.

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I'm not a believer in any kind of superstition,

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but I kind of, those sort of things

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are the kind of bits of grit in the oyster

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that start people making stuff, those beliefs.

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This is kind of Alan, the dark Alan.

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I wanted to put the figures there because they would mark

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that you are going into a sacred space, almost,

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where the tomb was, and the original conception was

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you would be met by a multicultural guard force.

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The monolith looks like almost a kind of Hollywood idea

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of a kind of ethnographic Tomb Guardian.

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You can almost imagine it being made of Styrofoam,

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and Captain Kirk knocking it over to get into the tomb.

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That Romanian carnival mask, I just love it,

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the fact it's got a little dew drop on the end of the nose,

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and it just is a very right object.

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It's been made by some guys just for the local festival or something.

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It's so imaginative, because it's fairly rudimentary materials,

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just some pictures ripped out of old magazines,

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some novelty sunglasses,

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and a pair of false teeth or something,

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but it's pretty potent.

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And the Sheela-Na-Gig, the reason I put that in is

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because I always wanted Alan Measles to have a great big hard-on,

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because that's one of the kind of last taboos,

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if you like, in imagery - is the erect penis.

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So the Sheela-Na-Gig is a kind of riposte to all the people who,

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for a second, might take offence at that,

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but then they would turn and see

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that 1,000 years ago, the female equivalent was hanging in a church.

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The fantasy scenarios young Grayson played out with Alan Measles

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were war games, which pitted boy and teddy bear

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against a brutal army of invading German soldiers.

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When I was a child, I had a very strong imaginary world.

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All of my games were related to this imaginary world,

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right from maybe the age of six or seven,

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right through till I was maybe 13 or 14.

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The benign dictator of that world was Alan Measles, my teddy bear,

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and he was like this hovering male presence, and I was his bodyguard.

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Hence me piloting his Popemobile, which is the motorbike -

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the Kenilworth AM1!

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In all his glory.

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Alan Measles' personal, holy, religious conveyance.

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Everything about it, the kind of ridiculous scale, the colour,

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it's bonkers.

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And it has the effect that I wanted to have. I can ask for nothing more.

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Oh, I got my trousers caught in it!

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This is quite fiddly.

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So it might take a while.

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Well, Alan Measles, when I was a child,

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our enemy were the Germans,

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because the Germans were the handy metaphor for the baddies.

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But of course that metaphor is now worn out.

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We live in a modern, 21st-century world,

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and Alan is the first to admit this.

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And so, he's going on a kind of mission of appeasement,

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where he's going to lay to rest the childish metaphor

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of England versus Germany, goodies and baddies,

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and have a more nuanced approach to world peace.

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He's a God of moderate and understanding reconciliation.

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For the next 10 days, Grayson Perry will take Alan Measles

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on a tour of Germany,

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visiting celebrated sites of pilgrimage along the way.

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Before he left for Germany, I caught up with Grayson

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at a biker cafe in Essex.

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-What do you want?

-Cup of tea, please.

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Can I have one tea, milky, for him?

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One bacon sandwich, and a cup of coffee for me?

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So why did you want to do this journey?

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Is it a journey of discovery, to some extent?

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Well, I think a motorcycle as a psychic symbol

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for me is very loaded.

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Because my father rode a motorcycle,

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and when he left, his motorcycle leant against the wall of the house

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for many months after he left.

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I can remember sitting on it.

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It was a...

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I think the motorcycle was a symbol for my father to a certain extent.

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Well Alan Measles, of course, was my surrogate father in many ways.

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And how do you connect this with the British Museum

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exhibition at the end of this?

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How much is this trip going to inform that?

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In some ways, if you sort of see tourism as a modern pilgrimage,

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the BM is the most popular pilgrim site in Britain.

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Part of the theme of the show is the whole idea of going to the BM,

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going to a museum.

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What it means to look at an object, the Rosetta Stone, the famous bits.

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I'm sort of interested in the celebrity artefact.

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I think every artist, if they really want a full-on career,

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they have to do a celebrity artefact at some point.

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Damien Hirst did his shark, Antony Gormley has got Angel of the North.

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-Is this your celebrity artefact?

-I don't know!

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I don't know if you can predict what will become your celebrity artefact.

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You're not afraid that people will think that's rather opportunist of you?

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You just said you are looking to find your celebrity artefact.

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I'm interested in the phenomenon of the celebrity object, because that's what a relic was.

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It's about that idea that something is special.

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I think a lot of art now, the only thing that qualifies it as art,

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is that it is in an art gallery. I think beyond that, it is quite difficult to justify.

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So that's the argument for going out on the road, and taking things out of the art gallery?

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I'm interested in visual culture in the world that's extraordinary,

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that's special, that's fun, that's beautiful, that's meaningful.

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The pilgrimage was to depart from Perry's home town, Chelmsford,

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and end at Chelmsford's German twin town, Backnang.

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Alan is on his throne at the back.

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He was given to me almost exactly 50 years ago, very close to this spot.

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I was born in hospital just up there - St John's Hospital.

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That's where I first met Alan.

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-It's the mayor.

-Oh, the mayor, fantastic. Here he comes. Thank you very much for coming.

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The send-off turned out to be a gathering of all the Alans,

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with Grayson's peace mission given an official stamp of approval

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by the Mayor of Chelmsford - Alan Arnot.

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So it says here - behold Alan Measles,

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keeper of all good qualities pertaining to a man.

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A leader, a fighter, a sportsman, a father.

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How scrumptious!

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This is a personal message from myself, the Mayor of Chelmsford,

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-to Dr Nopper, the Oberburgermeister of Backnang.

-Thank you very much.

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-Present it to him when you arrive.

-We will!

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-Alan, we have to push this.

-Just push on the back.

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-He won't need much of a push. Ready?

-Ready.

-One, two, three, push.

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There you go, it's all right. Thank you. ..Oh, it started!

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# Chitty Bang Bang, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang

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# Chitty Bang Bang, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang

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# Chitty Bang Bang, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang

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# Oh you pretty Chitty Bang Bang, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, we love you... #

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I had a vaguely airy fairy idea what the trip to Germany would be like.

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It was like a sort of soft focus shot from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.

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I'd be going along with the beautiful Bavarian Alps

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flickering past in the background.

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As it approaches, I am thinking "Oh no, it's going to rain for 10 days,

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"and the bike is going to break down."

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There is all those kind of anxieties.

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# We'll glide on our motor trip

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# With pride in our ownership

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# The envy of all we survey

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# Near Chitty, far Chitty, in our motor car

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# Oh what a happy time we'll spend

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# Bang Bang Chitty Chitty Bang Bang... #

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Perry and Measles will be accompanied on their journey by a group of their friends,

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including Grayson's psychotherapist wife, Philippa.

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One of the central concerns of my work is that art is a religion.

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Contemporary art is a substitute, or maybe actually is a religion.

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So pilgrimage is a big part of religion, so I like the idea

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that there's people doing art pilgrimages all over the world.

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The Isenheim Alterpiece is an image that has been in my consciousness

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since I was at school.

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This is a picture that I love, I love its layers,

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I love its weirdness,

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it's almost kind of psychedelicness.

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Well, I haven't looked yet. I'm really, really worried,

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because I might be incredibly disappointed.

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It's something I have been looking forward to seeing

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for about 30 years.

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Whenever you build something up,

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the possibility of disappointment increases.

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It's not too bad.

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It's very difficult to see it beyond the fame of it.

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It's so iconic, because it's so different from any other painting.

0:22:020:22:06

Things like the feet, the way they're kind of gnarled,

0:22:060:22:09

with that huge nail through them,

0:22:090:22:11

it's almost pornographic, the way he's really enjoyed the contortions.

0:22:110:22:16

It's like a Japanese tree that has been contorted.

0:22:160:22:20

As a culture, we learn to look at art through things like this.

0:22:200:22:25

When the go to an art gallery, we go to a special building,

0:22:250:22:29

to look at a special object.

0:22:290:22:31

That in a way, kind of gives anything a leg up into significance.

0:22:310:22:34

Whereas if you place it in a shopping centre,

0:22:340:22:38

and it still has power, then I think you are onto a winner.

0:22:380:22:44

If you put this in a shopping centre,

0:22:440:22:46

and people did not know it, they would be awed by it.

0:22:460:22:50

Neuschwanstein - it's in this awesomely dramatic,

0:23:010:23:05

beautiful setting.

0:23:050:23:07

And it's the absolute epitome of a castle.

0:23:070:23:10

MUSIC: "Ride of the Valkyries"

0:23:100:23:12

The more I found out about it, about King Ludvig,

0:23:190:23:21

this eccentric 19th-century monarch of Bavaria,

0:23:210:23:25

who built this place as a kind of retreat from reality,

0:23:250:23:29

as a kind of fantasy dedicated to Wagnerian myths.

0:23:290:23:33

That, for me, was the most interesting thing about it.

0:23:330:23:38

There is something very oppressive about this place.

0:23:440:23:47

I think the conception, the idea of building a fantasy castle like this is marvellous and great.

0:23:470:23:52

It's like he's instructed someone to come up with it.

0:23:520:23:55

"Oh yes, I want a huge Gothic palace, I want a Moorish room,

0:23:550:23:58

I want a Gothic room."

0:23:580:24:00

But it's been carried out without much love, somehow, in my book.

0:24:000:24:04

Alan is decidedly unimpressed.

0:24:040:24:07

We're coming into a grotto. Is it real, or is it plaster?

0:24:090:24:13

It's plaster.

0:24:130:24:15

Here we are top of a rocky outcrop,

0:24:150:24:18

and he's built a grotto out of plaster.

0:24:180:24:22

-That is, you know...

-It's a fantastic grotto!

0:24:230:24:26

That someone whose grasp of authenticity is really shaky,

0:24:260:24:30

isn't it?

0:24:300:24:31

The aspect is superb.

0:24:330:24:35

Poor old Ludwig.

0:24:380:24:40

No, it's a very interesting relic...

0:24:450:24:48

..to someone's psychology. That's what's interesting about it.

0:24:480:24:52

This is someone's interior life writ large.

0:24:520:24:55

Well, today was mainly about matching up

0:25:110:25:14

the reality to my fantasy.

0:25:140:25:16

Riding into the Grayson-Perry-on-a-motorbike-shaped hole in the Alpine landscape,

0:25:160:25:21

and filling it up.

0:25:210:25:24

Because all the way along, I've held this image of me

0:25:270:25:30

riding through this landscape, on this bike,

0:25:300:25:32

and every time I see an advert,

0:25:340:25:36

or a particularly ugly house, it kind of jars.

0:25:360:25:40

But it's been a game attempt at fulfilling the fantasy.

0:25:400:25:43

If this is an artwork, the central image of it

0:25:430:25:46

is me taking Alan in his little chapel

0:25:460:25:50

on a very sort of mythic journey.

0:25:500:25:54

This is a kind of cliched mythic landscape.

0:25:540:25:56

You know, romantic storybook land.

0:25:560:26:00

I'm like this toy soldier playing out his horrible,

0:26:020:26:06

twisted fantasy in this wholesome landscape.

0:26:060:26:09

A bit like Ludvig of Bavaria!

0:26:090:26:12

Oh, look, you've got the bear!

0:26:300:26:34

-Yes, the bear.

-Me too. This is my bear.

-I see, beautiful.

0:26:340:26:39

Alan Measles.

0:26:390:26:40

Yeah, he's a god.

0:26:410:26:42

So he's come on a pilgrimage to this pilgrimage.

0:26:420:26:45

You see? Yeah.

0:26:460:26:48

MUSIC: "Requiem" by Mozart

0:26:480:26:51

When looking at a work of art, I think awe comes from the feeling -

0:27:090:27:14

"I couldn't do that, I couldn't make that,

0:27:140:27:16

"I couldn't think of that."

0:27:160:27:18

It's that otherness.

0:27:180:27:20

I look at many artworks, and think "I could do that,"

0:27:200:27:22

but this, it's just incredible.

0:27:220:27:24

Look at that door.

0:27:260:27:29

That's the door at the gates of heaven.

0:27:290:27:33

What's interesting is, what is the difference between this and kitsch?

0:27:330:27:38

Because this is not kitsch.

0:27:380:27:39

Because this has soul.

0:27:410:27:42

This still has its authenticity,

0:27:420:27:45

and it's made with complete conviction,

0:27:450:27:50

and it has material honesty in it.

0:27:500:27:55

This is passionate craftsmanship, design, artistry, belief.

0:27:550:28:02

This couldn't be better.

0:28:080:28:11

This is exactly how I imagined it. It's unbelievable.

0:28:110:28:15

A pilgrimage in my mind is very much a mediaeval thing.

0:28:150:28:18

Here I am with Alan, with my completely up-to-date pilgrimage, and here he is,

0:28:180:28:23

in his shrine next to this magnificent structure.

0:28:230:28:29

One day, maybe people will flock to see Alan on his motorbike,

0:28:290:28:34

I don't know.

0:28:340:28:36

My name is Friendly Teddy. Yay!

0:29:000:29:03

-This is Alan Measles, say hello.

-Hello.

0:29:030:29:06

I am a contemporary artist.

0:29:130:29:15

The kind of church that I have signed up to is contemporary art,

0:29:150:29:19

and the White Cube is the temple.

0:29:190:29:22

The Brandhorst Museum, in Munich,

0:29:220:29:25

it's a very well-done example of the modern art museum.

0:29:250:29:30

So it was interesting to put that in the context of all the other

0:29:300:29:34

sorts of pilgrimage destinations that were on our route.

0:29:340:29:38

The innocent delight of people at, sort of, rococo, compared to

0:29:400:29:44

the knowingness, and the coolness of the audience for a place like this.

0:29:440:29:50

They will look at every piece of dribble and cardboard

0:29:500:29:55

as reverently as we would look at an altarpiece at the Wieskirche.

0:29:550:29:59

I think there is a pair of inverted commas hanging for ever

0:30:000:30:04

over those people, where they look through everything through an ironic window.

0:30:040:30:08

Inevitably, anything I do

0:30:080:30:10

is in danger of ending up in a place like this.

0:30:100:30:12

I hope that this bike and Alan

0:30:120:30:15

resist that force.

0:30:150:30:17

We will not be ironised! We will not be contemporary art!

0:30:170:30:20

This is a real thing that has happened here, somehow.

0:30:200:30:24

-Hello, Alan.

-LAUGHTER

0:30:430:30:47

GERMAN ACCENT: Herr Grayson, I presume.

0:30:470:30:50

ALL: Prost!

0:30:500:30:53

So, how has it been for you so far?

0:30:570:30:59

It's been, you know, it's fun. It's great.

0:30:590:31:02

When it really works, it really works well.

0:31:020:31:04

I think, at the moment,

0:31:040:31:06

the moment for me that really crystallised the whole trip

0:31:060:31:09

was at the Wieskirche.

0:31:090:31:11

I managed to park the bike right at the entrance of the church.

0:31:110:31:15

There was Alan, sort of parallel with Jesus.

0:31:150:31:19

So is this a real pilgrimage or isn't it?

0:31:200:31:24

It is not an anti-pilgrimage,

0:31:240:31:26

it is a pilgrimage turned on its head,

0:31:260:31:28

in that instead of people coming to the shrine,

0:31:280:31:32

I am taking the shine to people.

0:31:320:31:34

If the mountain won't come to Mohammed...

0:31:340:31:36

-It's called a royal progress.

-Yes, that is what it is.

0:31:360:31:39

A royal progress.

0:31:390:31:41

-And this is your retinue.

-Yeah.

0:31:410:31:44

My Chaucerian band, I like to think of them as.

0:31:440:31:47

That's sort of essential part of this journey?

0:31:470:31:50

We are the ideal family on tour.

0:31:500:31:52

-LAUGHTER

-My ideal family.

0:31:520:31:56

And why is Philippa here, in particular?

0:31:560:31:59

What role, Philippa, would you say you have in this?

0:31:590:32:02

-Map-reading.

-LAUGHTER

0:32:020:32:04

No, Philippa is a good map reader, that is what it is.

0:32:040:32:07

What's your observation of this trip?

0:32:080:32:11

What impact is it having, do you think, on Grayson?

0:32:110:32:14

There is a form of psychology that actually originated in Germany

0:32:140:32:17

called Gestalt.

0:32:170:32:19

It's about completing something,

0:32:190:32:22

about completing a whole sort of cycle of experience.

0:32:220:32:26

I think there was something incomplete

0:32:260:32:28

about those war games that Grayson played as a child

0:32:280:32:32

and I think this is sort of like a peace process

0:32:320:32:38

that completes that Gestalt.

0:32:380:32:40

-I like that. That feels right.

-Thank you.

0:32:400:32:44

-Quite touched. It's good.

-Aw.

0:32:440:32:48

I like that. It's true. That is what it is.

0:32:480:32:51

It's what I always do, though.

0:32:510:32:53

I kind of do what I feel like I should do

0:32:530:32:55

and then I find out what it was about later.

0:32:550:32:59

The pilgrimage culminated in Chelmsford's twin town of Backnang.

0:33:020:33:08

Hello, Backnang!

0:33:320:33:34

You may ask, "What is this man doing?"

0:33:340:33:39

LAUGHTER

0:33:390:33:41

Backnang is twinned with Chelmsford.

0:33:410:33:44

I was born in Chelmsford.

0:33:440:33:46

Alan Measles was born in Chelmsford.

0:33:460:33:49

We have been together for 50 years.

0:33:490:33:52

And when I was a child, he fought the Germans.

0:33:520:33:56

Because, in my games, so here was a place

0:33:560:34:01

he comes to make peace with Germany

0:34:010:34:03

because he is old now.

0:34:030:34:07

I am moved by this wonderful, wonderful welcome

0:34:070:34:12

and send-off and I thank you all for coming very, very much. Thank you.

0:34:120:34:17

LIVELY BRASS BAND PLAYS

0:34:170:34:19

'It was just as I hoped.

0:34:300:34:32

'The band, nice weather,

0:34:320:34:34

'the mayor and the mayoress. It was all good.

0:34:340:34:39

'Even Backnang itself looks like a postcard of a German town.

0:34:390:34:44

'When it happens I quite like the fact

0:34:440:34:47

'when the world lives up to the cliche, lives up to the postcard.'

0:34:470:34:52

Goodbye, Backnang!

0:34:520:34:54

'I think the fact that I took Alan Measles around Germany

0:34:550:34:58

'is really important to this show.

0:34:580:35:01

'I really did it so therefore, for starters,

0:35:010:35:04

'when they see the motorcycle, it has been on a real journey

0:35:040:35:07

'which has a mythological element to it.'

0:35:070:35:11

Which then makes a link to the fact that the people are there,

0:35:110:35:15

they are coming, they are really coming to the thing.

0:35:150:35:17

Then there are the kind of imaginative elements to the show.

0:35:170:35:22

And the fact also that I have set a kind of model for them

0:35:220:35:26

to try out themselves.

0:35:260:35:28

I like the fact that people can go up and think,

0:35:280:35:30

"I would like to do my own pilgrimage."

0:35:300:35:32

Back in the UK, Perry has to finalise his selection

0:35:360:35:39

of some 170 pieces from the British Museum's collection.

0:35:390:35:43

The museum can only display around 80,000

0:35:450:35:47

of the more than eight million objects which it owns.

0:35:470:35:50

-These sort of things, yeah.

-These are the moulded ones.

0:35:530:35:57

I like these.

0:35:570:35:59

'I am a great lover of things. I still want to see the actual object.

0:35:590:36:05

'I think that is an important relationship to have.

0:36:050:36:08

'I don't think we have changed that much.

0:36:080:36:10

'People still come to museums, in a way, in the same spirit

0:36:100:36:13

'as they would have trouped to Canterbury

0:36:130:36:15

'to see the relics of Thomas a Becket.'

0:36:150:36:17

These are from the Pagoda of Mingun, just upstream from Mandalay.

0:36:170:36:23

'We come to see the actual thing,

0:36:230:36:27

'made and touched by the craftsmen of history.

0:36:270:36:31

'And marvel at their skill.

0:36:310:36:35

'I suppose I am using that impulse in trying to create an exhibition

0:36:370:36:44

'that suggests a pilgrimage to a place in our heads.'

0:36:440:36:51

This is from western India. It's a little box shrine.

0:36:530:36:59

Oh, wow!

0:37:010:37:03

Compelling that it is so reminiscent of a Gothic altarpiece.

0:37:030:37:10

Same kind of principle.

0:37:100:37:12

I think it is probably more 20th century.

0:37:120:37:14

Yeah.

0:37:140:37:15

The very interesting thing about this, which may interest you,

0:37:170:37:22

giving your concern with pilgrimage,

0:37:220:37:24

is that this object travelled to Tibet...

0:37:240:37:28

So how old is it?

0:37:280:37:30

It was made some time in the 11th or 12th century.

0:37:300:37:33

A really old one, yeah.

0:37:330:37:35

It doesn't get my juices going as much as that at all.

0:37:350:37:38

-Really?

-No. There is something...

0:37:380:37:41

I find there is more vitality in that

0:37:410:37:44

and that is something I treasure more highly than refinement.

0:37:440:37:47

I think it is quite unsettling to curators

0:37:510:37:54

at the BM because it all seems vague to them,

0:37:540:37:57

the way I am working.

0:37:570:38:00

I look through the collection and go, "I like that."

0:38:000:38:02

They'll go, "This is the significant one with the history and narrative

0:38:020:38:06

"and importance." I'll go, "I like that one better."

0:38:060:38:08

For whatever reason.

0:38:080:38:11

It doesn't mean that my way of doing it is necessarily lesser,

0:38:110:38:14

it's just different.

0:38:140:38:16

I am there because I am an expert in looking.

0:38:160:38:19

That's my job. I look at things and I trust my intuition.

0:38:190:38:23

I make choices - that is why I am doing the show.

0:38:230:38:27

The thing I am most impressed by is the proper richness

0:38:270:38:30

but also the fact that there is a good eye at work.

0:38:300:38:33

'I definitely want to put a folk costume in

0:38:350:38:37

'because I have had a lifelong love of folk costumes.

0:38:370:38:41

'It is just finding the one I find most aesthetically appealing.'

0:38:410:38:44

These look quite new. Are they recent additions?

0:38:440:38:47

They are quite bright colours.

0:38:470:38:50

It is finding the costume that kind of satisfies the most boxes.

0:38:510:38:56

Would I want to wear it,

0:38:560:38:58

is it nicely made as an object

0:38:580:39:00

and does it have a kind of ethnographic significance?

0:39:000:39:05

I've just not seen one quite like this before

0:39:090:39:11

in terms of colour and texture.

0:39:110:39:13

Very subtle colour combinations.

0:39:130:39:16

I like these dark ones because they wrong-foot me a bit.

0:39:160:39:19

There is a sort of,

0:39:190:39:22

I suppose if you ask most people what they think folk costumes,

0:39:220:39:25

they would think stuff covered in this.

0:39:250:39:28

What I like about these is there's a more muted palette

0:39:280:39:31

there going on.

0:39:310:39:33

I would definitely go out in something like this

0:39:330:39:36

but I don't think they are my size.

0:39:360:39:38

And so I acknowledge you in your artistic quest. Good luck.

0:40:040:40:09

-That's great. Thank you.

-All introductions must be made.

0:40:090:40:12

I like the idea that if these objects were to travel nowadays,

0:40:120:40:17

they are still carrying the same power.

0:40:170:40:20

Without a doubt. It's our job to make that living.

0:40:200:40:24

The power only resides with the people around it.

0:40:240:40:27

It is in our heads, the power, not the object.

0:40:270:40:30

It is in both places.

0:40:300:40:33

It's in here, and it's here.

0:40:330:40:36

Your head doesn't carve that, your hands do.

0:40:360:40:40

As an artist, I make things and in many ways,

0:40:400:40:43

when I look at the cultural output of other times and places,

0:40:430:40:47

I am envious.

0:40:470:40:49

When you talk about these objects in that way,

0:40:490:40:53

I suppose there's a bit of me that would like it

0:40:530:40:55

if people talked about my things in that way.

0:40:550:40:57

I would like my own objects to be treated with that much respect

0:40:570:41:02

and to have that power, I suppose.

0:41:020:41:04

At a foundry in Norfolk,

0:41:230:41:25

Grayson gets his first look

0:41:250:41:27

at the completed Tomb of the Unknown Craftsman.

0:41:270:41:30

Tom has cast all the pieces I made in ceramic now.

0:41:300:41:33

We are just starting to assemble them

0:41:330:41:36

for a kind of, to see the sort of form,

0:41:360:41:39

if you like, in its entirety for the first time.

0:41:390:41:42

'It is an easy sentence to say,

0:41:440:41:46

'"Could you please cast this in iron for me?"

0:41:460:41:50

'It is over a year's hard work for Tom and his crew.

0:41:500:41:54

'For me it is like my spiritual material.

0:41:540:41:57

'Iron, for me, has a kind of mystique.

0:41:570:41:59

'It's the material of heavy manufacture.

0:41:590:42:02

'It's the material of sort of agriculture.

0:42:020:42:08

'The rusting farm machine in the corner of the field.'

0:42:080:42:10

Maybe shouldn't have left that until the very last!

0:42:100:42:14

It is really exciting to see it

0:42:140:42:16

because no-one has seen it all together before.

0:42:160:42:20

It is our year's work, and all of a sudden,

0:42:200:42:23

it looks like a boat, it's fantastic.

0:42:230:42:25

It is exciting.

0:42:250:42:27

If this is the Tomb of the Unknown Craftsman,

0:42:270:42:31

he has the archetypal tool as the kind of holy relic, if you like.

0:42:310:42:35

The tool that begat all tools.

0:42:350:42:38

In this reliquary on the top here, like a sort of jewel,

0:42:380:42:42

rests a real quarter-of-a-million- year-old flint hand axe.

0:42:420:42:48

This is a genuine 250,000- year-old flint.

0:42:480:42:51

Person at the BM thinks it probably came from Essex,

0:42:530:42:56

which is marvellously appropriate.

0:42:560:42:58

This is like the precious jewel.

0:42:580:43:01

And of all the things that I have kind of handled and seen

0:43:010:43:05

and discovered in my travels through the British Museum,

0:43:050:43:09

I think that holding one of these is the most potent and moving

0:43:090:43:12

experience of the whole trip.

0:43:120:43:17

Because when you put your hand around one of these,

0:43:170:43:19

it is the ergonomics of it,

0:43:190:43:21

you think of the way it was used and that connection, that simple,

0:43:210:43:25

human connection, going back all those thousands and thousands of years,

0:43:250:43:28

there is something amazingly potent about it.

0:43:280:43:31

This is, you know, this is the beginning of craftsmanship.

0:43:310:43:34

This is the holy grail of the craftsmen.

0:43:340:43:39

I have made my reliquary there and it will sit on the top.

0:43:390:43:44

It is kind of, the whole show rotates around this centre of this tool.

0:43:440:43:51

I think that's right. Everything has to be preciously handled.

0:44:040:44:08

Is it all right?

0:44:120:44:15

Mind your backs.

0:44:170:44:19

We are building the tomb.

0:44:190:44:20

It is quite a nerve-racking moment because it bears

0:44:200:44:24

quite a lot of responsibility for making a good exhibition.

0:44:240:44:27

It is the thing where I have worked,

0:44:270:44:29

it is the piece I've worked with the British Museum on.

0:44:290:44:31

It is covered in casts that either are related to things

0:44:310:44:35

or actually of objects in the British Museum.

0:44:350:44:39

It is the thing that I wanted to feel

0:44:560:44:58

the most kind of real.

0:44:580:45:01

You know, it is a real thing.

0:45:010:45:03

In the end, it is about whether they find is beautiful

0:45:030:45:05

and fascinating and gorgeous and attractive and moving.

0:45:050:45:09

I do think, being surrounded by all of this amazing history

0:45:100:45:14

and the different cultures from all over the world and,

0:45:140:45:17

to a certain extent, a lot of pieces from my own history,

0:45:170:45:21

that does add weight to this very moment.

0:45:210:45:24

That is what this show is about.

0:45:240:45:26

That is why this is the centrepiece to this show.

0:45:260:45:29

It's about coming on a journey through the world's culture

0:45:290:45:34

and also my own mythology with Alan Measles,

0:45:340:45:38

with works from my past and the kind of themes I am interested in.

0:45:380:45:43

You come to this and this is a sort of, like, yeah,

0:45:430:45:48

this is the end of the pilgrimage.

0:45:480:45:51

I like that idea that it has a real full stop to it.

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Half an inch forward. That's it.

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My kind of instinct, I suppose,

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would be to pile it on until it was completely overwhelming.

0:46:110:46:14

Some of the other things, the figures in the show,

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there is a lot of detail in them you can't ever see.

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Because it is so covered over with stuff.

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I almost feel one can sense that from when one looks at the thing.

0:46:220:46:26

It is like the gargoyles at the top of the cathedral,

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made by the ancient craftsmen.

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They knew no-one would ever see them, but somehow,

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when you look at the cathedral, you know it's there.

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The fact that the archetypal craftsman

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in my personal mythology is my father,

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that, to a certain extent, has faded.

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That doesn't mean that it isn't informing me unconsciously

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all the time, I am open to that idea.

0:46:580:47:01

In fact, I came to this museum at six years old

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and we got into the lift and the man in the lift said,

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"What do you want to see?" I said, "I like models."

0:47:100:47:13

He said, "They've got model boats in the Egyptian department."

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We found the model boats and I was pretty disappointed with them.

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They were pretty basic.

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They weren't half as glamorous and shiny and intricate

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and authentic as the ones I had at home.

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I was pretty disappointed with the British Museum.

0:47:280:47:31

Maybe this is payback time, I don't know!

0:47:310:47:34

You know, making a whole show that has a model boat for a centrepiece.

0:47:350:47:41

I think, quite often, we are that transparent.

0:47:410:47:45

LAUGHTER

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-Neil!

-Hello. How are you?

0:47:490:47:52

Did you do this specifically for this exhibition?

0:47:520:47:55

I did it specifically for this place.

0:47:550:47:58

-This place in this exhibition?

-Yeah.

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They are all the things I thought people might come with before.

0:48:000:48:04

-They come with in their head?

-Yes.

0:48:040:48:06

That could be... That says more about me, probably, than about them.

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People will actually be walking around inside my head.

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That is what this exhibition is about.

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A walk round Grayson Perry's head.

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The first three things they see, the three helmets.

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People say, "Which one is the BM object?"

0:48:200:48:23

-You go for the middle one.

-Of course.

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I assumed that was the BM one,

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-and that you had designed this.

-Because it is quite tinselly, this.

0:48:270:48:31

It is a great bling hat, isn't it? I had assumed this was yours.

0:48:310:48:36

I thought, this looks like this is Grayson being playful.

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I then discovered it's the great Ashanti chief's headdress from Ghana.

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All these are solid gold and it is a great ritual object.

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And it's, well, I looked at it with completely fresh eyes.

0:48:500:48:53

Good. If I can make YOU look at something with fresh eyes...!

0:48:530:48:59

When my letter came through the door and you saw my proposal,

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what did you think?

0:49:020:49:03

What I thought of at once was Sutton Hoo.

0:49:030:49:05

Because the Sutton Hoo burial is really,

0:49:050:49:10

seems to me, the nearest thing we have got to this exhibition.

0:49:100:49:13

You have got this extraordinary assemblage of objects.

0:49:170:49:20

From Ireland to the eastern Mediterranean.

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Some of them are ritual, some of them are just luxury.

0:49:230:49:26

Some of them we don't know at all what they are about.

0:49:260:49:29

-They come from all over the known world.

-Together, yes.

0:49:290:49:33

And they are there in that place. Something to do with one man.

0:49:330:49:36

I thought you were suggesting creating something very, very alike.

0:49:360:49:41

That's what your letter made me think of.

0:49:410:49:43

This is actually what all archaeology is.

0:49:430:49:46

-Looking at this funny grouping.

-That is very beautifully put.

0:49:460:49:50

I am quite touched by that, yeah.

0:49:500:49:52

-Now, this is...

-LAUGHTER

0:49:530:49:55

-This I had to have in because...

-She's got to be here, hasn't she?

0:49:550:49:59

This still astonishes people.

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Because they don't realise that here, on our doorstep...

0:50:010:50:05

On the church, you put this figure.

0:50:050:50:07

What's new to us is this kind of conversation.

0:50:070:50:10

These objects that we would never have put together.

0:50:100:50:13

And all the way through, the way you have put objects

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either from different bits of the museum's collection

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or with your objects,

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in conversations that just couldn't happen otherwise.

0:50:220:50:25

Now. Now you see, Sutton Hoo was right. This is Sutton Hoo, isn't it?

0:50:250:50:30

-Here is the funeral ship.

-The funeral ship.

0:50:300:50:33

Laden with treasure and all the great things from the museum.

0:50:330:50:37

-The Roman dish.

-Yeah. Flood tablet.

0:50:370:50:39

The Ife head. This really is the shrine, isn't it?

0:50:390:50:43

It is the end point of the whole journey of the exhibition.

0:50:430:50:47

It is also the end point for the purpose of the museum, isn't it?

0:50:470:50:50

Here, in one place, are all these things.

0:50:500:50:55

And they are all travelling together for some kind of purpose.

0:50:550:51:00

The job of everybody coming through is to sort out what that purpose is.

0:51:000:51:05

Here you are, Grayson. In the British Museum.

0:51:540:51:58

Yeah. I don't think it has fully sunk in yet.

0:51:580:52:00

I have been so involved with the making of it all

0:52:000:52:04

that it feels like I should fit,

0:52:040:52:07

it should be, "Life's ambition, tick."

0:52:070:52:09

You know, but it doesn't quite feel like that yet.

0:52:090:52:11

It says this is, of course, the Tomb of the Unknown Craftsman.

0:52:110:52:15

You slightly don't fit that mould, do you?

0:52:150:52:18

Even when you arrived here, you were certainly not anonymous,

0:52:180:52:21

and you're going to be less anonymous by the time

0:52:210:52:24

this exhibition goes on display.

0:52:240:52:25

Yeah. It is ironic that I am, I suppose, a celebrity artist.

0:52:250:52:30

I said that almost as if like saying,

0:52:300:52:33

"I am one of these plonkers that come in on their vanity projects."

0:52:330:52:38

In order to highlight the fact that I am actually

0:52:380:52:43

tiptoeing around my own seriousness, that is what I am doing.

0:52:430:52:47

So I'm protecting my tender relationship with beauty

0:52:470:52:51

and culture from the harsh forces of the media spotlight.

0:52:510:52:55

I kind of say, "Ha! Yeah! This is just me having fun,"

0:52:550:52:59

but in fact, this is something I have dedicated my life to.

0:52:590:53:02

The way that you have always said, "I am a craftsman.

0:53:020:53:05

"I belong to this tradition. I am proud to be part of this tradition."

0:53:050:53:08

You have always said it.

0:53:080:53:10

In that sense, you do, you are here to draw attention to the rest of you.

0:53:100:53:15

To say, these works were made by artists, too.

0:53:150:53:19

Yeah, and I think it is interesting that, you know,

0:53:190:53:21

I am not ashamed to come from a contemporary art tribe,

0:53:210:53:24

but by coming here to the museum, for me, has highlighted

0:53:240:53:28

the very traditions and orthodoxies of the contemporary art world.

0:53:280:53:34

Here is a museum for a general audience

0:53:340:53:37

and its objects come from all different directions.

0:53:370:53:40

There isn't this accepted thing of, "This is a contemporary art object."

0:53:400:53:47

In a way I want to say, I am an artist.

0:53:470:53:49

I am not a contemporary artist, I am just an artist.

0:53:490:53:51

What's Alan's view of the exhibition?

0:53:510:53:54

He thinks it's entirely about him.

0:53:540:53:57

But there was something inescapably missing from the show.

0:53:580:54:01

Where was Alan Measles himself?

0:54:030:54:05

It is amazing to think it has been on this long journey.

0:54:070:54:10

-It looks pristine, doesn't it?

-It's a motorbike.

0:54:100:54:12

It is made for transportation and it survived very well.

0:54:120:54:15

-That is Alan's...

-That is not Alan.

0:54:160:54:19

No, that is his stunt double.

0:54:190:54:21

That is Pinny. She is the same age and actually from the same...

0:54:210:54:25

-That is Pinny?

-Yeah.

0:54:250:54:27

Doesn't this sort of undermine the whole project?

0:54:280:54:32

I thought this was Alan Measles' project.

0:54:320:54:34

Why would Pinny be here and not him?

0:54:340:54:36

He doesn't want to sit in a museum for three months.

0:54:360:54:39

-I feel cheated.

-Do you?

0:54:390:54:41

I quite like the idea that, you know,

0:54:410:54:44

he is out there and than entity, as a god.

0:54:440:54:46

I didn't want to,

0:54:460:54:48

I almost feel like the reality might kind of...

0:54:480:54:52

Do you know how many precious things there are in this museum?

0:54:520:54:56

Worth tens of millions of pounds? Things that are priceless.

0:54:560:55:01

But somehow Alan Measles is so priceless you are not prepared to...

0:55:020:55:07

I think if we are really going to get therapeutic about this now...

0:55:080:55:12

Why not?

0:55:120:55:14

It would be that I don't even trust the British Museum

0:55:140:55:17

to look after Alan, he's too precious.

0:55:170:55:19

'Grayson's refusal to part with Alan Measles reminded me

0:55:230:55:28

'of something I had witnessed more than a year ago in Germany.

0:55:280:55:32

'A sort of Rosebud moment where I'd learnt that to unlock the secrets

0:55:320:55:35

'of Grayson Perry's one-man civilisation,

0:55:350:55:39

'a teddy bear is the key.'

0:55:390:55:41

Big day for Alan.

0:55:410:55:43

'How lovely to see you. Welcome to the world of Steiff.

0:55:480:55:52

'It's still a little bit like it used to be.

0:55:520:55:57

'I was born here in Giengen in 1847.

0:55:570:56:02

'When I was one and a half,

0:56:020:56:04

'I was diagnosed with an illness that changed me.

0:56:040:56:07

'For children, only the best is good enough.

0:56:070:56:10

'Yes. That's how it all began.'

0:56:100:56:13

'I didn't see you there. Never mind. I am in charge here.

0:56:130:56:18

'Most important of all, he invented me.'

0:56:180:56:22

'It's so dark here and it is so creepy.

0:56:290:56:34

'Oh dear.'

0:56:360:56:39

Alan is horrified. It is against all he stands for.

0:56:390:56:42

It, it's...

0:56:430:56:46

-'what do we do now?'

-'Shall I tell you? I have no idea.'

0:56:490:56:54

I am worried about him. I wonder what's going through his head.

0:56:540:56:59

Why is it so upsetting,

0:57:010:57:03

even though you might have expected it to be like this?

0:57:030:57:07

Because it feels kind of exploitative.

0:57:070:57:10

When I think of the relationship I had with my teddy,

0:57:100:57:15

and how completely potent and unspoken a symbol he was,

0:57:150:57:21

if you had asked me when I was a child, I would have expressed,

0:57:210:57:26

through my actions, how important he was to me

0:57:260:57:29

but I wouldn't have been able to put it into words.

0:57:290:57:31

It's testament to how precious he was that he is the only artefact

0:57:310:57:34

from my childhood I have.

0:57:340:57:36

I don't have any photos, I don't have anything else at all.

0:57:360:57:40

-It all resides in him?

-Yeah. It is pretty potent.

0:57:400:57:46

He is a serious talisman.

0:57:460:57:48

I think we'd better get you back for some therapy.

0:57:480:57:50

LAUGHTER

0:57:500:57:52

It was a joke that I set up Alan was a god,

0:57:520:57:55

but also not,

0:57:550:57:57

in that he is the nearest I have got to a god.

0:57:570:58:00

Because he is, when you, religion,

0:58:010:58:06

its power, is often because someone has grown up with it.

0:58:060:58:09

It is part of their, it has shaped them emotionally,

0:58:090:58:13

it's their family, society.

0:58:130:58:16

Therefore, it's woven into their emotional DNA when they grow up.

0:58:160:58:21

That is what Alan is for me, that is as near as I've got to that.

0:58:210:58:24

It is the same limbic system in my brain

0:58:240:58:28

that has embraced Alan,

0:58:280:58:30

that embraces religion in people who believe.

0:58:300:58:34

So therefore, it is a serious thing.

0:58:340:58:37

It is a match to a religion.

0:58:370:58:40

It can seem like a joke but it is coming from the same place.

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