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Television is most certainly here to stay.

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New eyes, new vision for the world.

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Primetime is the showcase

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for the best that American television can be.

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And so, when America sits down to watch,

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it demands more than stock characters going through the motions.

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To flourish in primetime,

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these shows have to reflect America in all its individuality,

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diversity and eccentricity.

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And that's how some of the most high-risk characters

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in the primetime crowd are born.

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This is the awkward squad,

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the ones who can't, or won't,

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or aren't allowed to fit in.

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Geeks, freaks, misfits.

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But though they may march to a different drummer,

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in primetime, they become one of us and we become one of them.

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Hey.

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I think TV has always been a fantastic medium

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for taking characters who, yeah, they're outrageous....

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I'm passing a gallstone as we speak.

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..they're slightly inappropriate.

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People who are socially awkward

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or people who are missing an etiquette or a filter.

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Schlubs. Nerds. Weirdos.

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It's not a normal person.

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Someone who has almost zero self-awareness. Kind of zero wisdom.

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Expressing things that they've thought of, but would never say.

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Someone who doesn't fit into the world that the audience belongs to.

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In television, for some reason, they've all found homes.

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Whether you are pushing that to comedic extremes for laughs

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or reaching for a kind of drama, both things are appealing.

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They are, in fact, misfits with a capital M.

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It's fun to see institutions undone in some sort of inappropriate way

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by somebody who just dares to be there doing it.

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Comedy by its very nature is derisive.

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You are picking on somebody - some body.

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It doesn't matter who it is.

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It can be an ethnicity, it can be a physical feature,

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it can be bald people, fat people, short people. I've got all three.

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It can be just about anything, but in order to get a laugh,

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you are actually pointing at and shining a light on

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some sort of either generic or specific foible.

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When you do it with the misfit, and the misfit doesn't crumble,

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everybody feels better.

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Knock off that smile. Tighten up that face.

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I want to see them lips white, I want to see them tight.

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"That guy has it worse than me, he's being treated worse than me. And he's not dying."

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-I don't like you. Do you like me?

-Yes, sir.

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Misfits in television shows,

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that's like every show I ever watched.

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You can't be too careful these days.

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There are a lot of strange people in this world.

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I'm a big fan of just the classic TV shows.

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What does that sign say?

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It says Beverly Hills!

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Did you hear that, Granny?

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I don't even care what the episode is about,

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I just like to see those characters be those characters.

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Gilligan was a misfit. He was this kind of knucklehead.

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I'll save you!

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Corporal Agarn in F Troop was an idiot.

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There have been so many versions

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of a certain kind of a comedy character who just doesn't get it

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and in an exaggerated, comedic way,

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kind of relates to how a lot of us feel. That's what's funny.

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People love a character who is needy or hapless

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or is kind of evil or horny or greedy.

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I'll get it. Allez-oop!

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Gomez Addams, he was horny and greedy and multilingual.

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That was living, mon ami.

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Whoooo-oooh! Tish!

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When you speak French, you drive me wild.

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Speak some more French.

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Anything. Tout alors!

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La plume de ma tante! Mademoiselle from Armentieres! Anything!

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When I was a little boy,

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I was probably bothered by my strangeness.

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And one day, someone laughed

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and I thought, "You know, let's go for it."

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-Wonderful.

-For a minute there, I thought I was going to miss.

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The Addams Family was a world that operated by its own set of rules.

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People talked a certain way, there was a certain style.

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BELL RINGS

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There was a certain mystery,

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you just never knew what was going to happen next.

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It's kind of like Alice In Wonderland in the form of a TV show.

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These businessmen, always in such a hurry.

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When we look at the '40s, '50s, '60s,

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the '40s were filled with war and its aftermath.

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The '50s, everybody wanted to be very straight.

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There were efforts to force conformity.

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'Yes, indeed, both Don and Sue look like the kind of people you would like to know, don't they?'

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The ordinary '50s television family, they're unnatural.

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The people were a little bit phoney. A little too perfect.

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A little too stiff. And they begged for loosening up.

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The premise of the Addams Family was they were insane,

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but tried to live this suburban life.

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I think some of them were in different states of being alive.

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Was Lurch alive?

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They're misfits, but they have a confidence about who they are

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and the fact that they are so different.

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You just absolutely adore those characters.

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While they seem to have a strange exterior,

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underneath, they are the healthiest family on television.

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Parents really doing something with the children.

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Sending a rocket through the roof.

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It went right through Uncle Fester's room.

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Too bad he's not home, he'd have got a bang out of it.

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That's an activity.

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Any show, I don't care if it's Star Trek, or a Western, or a cop show,

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or set in the office or set in the taxi depot, is about a family.

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Taxi was amazing in who it brought together.

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Thank you very much.

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You had this melting pot of all these different characters.

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They weren't a family, but they became a family.

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Taxi was about this family of misfits

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who had dreams that were greater than working in this garage.

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It's going to be OK.

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Take your application to the counter and they'll give you the test.

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It was this beautiful metaphor for life.

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< Pssst.

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(What does a yellow light mean?)

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(Slow down.)

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OK.

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What ...

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does...?

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You look at that show and there's a wild card, a crazy character.

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Your friend Wheeler is a loser, Reiger!

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And I'm going to tell him he's a loser!

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And I'm going to love telling him he's a loser!

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Louie De Palma is like the gnat that's always in somebody's ear.

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The guy that's really pushing and egging him on.

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You never saw anybody on television be that nasty.

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This is the worst boss, teacher, friend, relative.

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The reveal of him in the pilot, yelling these nasty things, and that cage opens and he comes down...

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Hold everything! OK, I'm going to get tough with you guys.

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LAUGHTER

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Ye-eah!

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Mostly broadcast networks were strongly suggesting

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that every character needed to be likeable

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and they can't do anything that is going to upset anybody

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because we need to root for them.

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I always use Louie De Palma's example of...when I get the note,

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"This character is not likeable."

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"Really? Have you seen the show Taxi?

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"Did you see Louie De Palma? Was he likeable to you?"

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He was lovable.

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Because he was really funny.

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They played up just how unlikeable he really was.

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Just a great, great sitcom villain.

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And then they did a brilliant thing where they began showing episodes

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where you began to sympathise with him.

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I would be on my way to some event and I would have to change.

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He's peeping at Elaine's character

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dressing in the locker room and gets caught.

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-It's absolutely untrue.

-Oh, yeah? So why are your eyes tearing?

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Because I'm hurt.

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I'm hurt that you would even think that I could do such an awful thing.

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So how come only one eye is tearing?

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Well, it's not the end of the world.

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It's like, "I'm sorry." And I go, "Haven't you ever been violated?"

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And he tells this heartbreaking story

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of having to buy clothes in the children's section.

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The only way I can get anything to fit me is, er...

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..I have to go to a men's store

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and walk straight to the boy's department.

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That made me feel for him in such an interesting way.

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He says, "Is that how I made you feel?" And I say, "Kind of."

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So then we had this really sweet moment.

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God, I'm sorry.

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It's OK.

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And of course, he grabs me on the butt.

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I think misfit characters succeed

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when they say something very true,

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almost by accident, about everybody who fits.

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Comedy often is meant to provoke, to agitate a little bit,

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to push some buttons.

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Certain characters entertain us in that way and they actually,

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in their own way, they do provoke some thought.

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Using misfits to break taboos,

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to shout the things that the mainstream thinks but never says,

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was deployed to greatest effect in a sitcom

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that, according to its creators, was about nothing.

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What's the matter?

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My mother caught me.

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-Caught you? Doing what?

-You know.

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I was alone...

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If the misfit can ask the question that nobody else can

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because they're either dumber

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or from other land or whatever it may be,

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then clearly the Seinfeld four could talk about masturbation

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when nobody else on television could talk about masturbation.

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I tell you this, I am never doing that again.

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What? In your mother's house or altogether?

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-Altogether.

-Give me a break.

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-You don't think I can?

-No chance!

-You think you could?

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Well, I know I could hold out longer than you.

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Care to make it interesting?

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It was absolutely brand-new territory.

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I was convinced they would not let us get away with it.

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The Contest had us absolutely scratching our heads going,

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"OK, no-one gave us advance warning of this."

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NBC had no inkling that The Contest was coming

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because I didn't disclose it until the day of the read-through.

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Everybody was madly trying to get up to speed with the subject matter

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and, "Can we do it, should we do it?"

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Did you make it through the night?

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Yes, I'm proud to say I did.

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-So you're still master of your domain?

-Yes. Yes, I am.

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Master of my domain.

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I worked myself up into this lather

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where I was actually intending to quit the show

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if they did not put it on the air.

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-There is a naked woman across the street.

-Where?

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-Second floor from the top. See the window on the left?

-Wow.

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"I'm quitting, I'm going to quit. If they don't let me do this, I'm done."

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I'm out.

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I was shocked when they said,

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"Hey, we love it. Just have a couple of things."

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-You're out?

-Wow, that was fast!

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Seinfeld was an experiment. It didn't have traditional structure.

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It certainly didn't have traditional characters.

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Writers somehow felt they had to present characters that were

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more honourable, more respectful and somehow they weren't nearly as real.

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It used to be that the misfits had a certain..."I am who I am,

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"but I have to fit into the real world."

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The Beverly Hillbillies did try to adjust to Beverly Hills.

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The Seinfeldians and, you know...

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the newer groups are not trying.

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The world has to work according to them.

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I'm not sure television dared to do that before.

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PROLONGED BELCHING

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We like to think of ourselves

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and our society as being a lot smarter than it is, maybe.

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Do you want to be expelled outright?

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Er...

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Kicked out of school for good?

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Condemned to a life of stupidity?

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-Er...OK.

-Yeah, me too.

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When can we start?

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I remember reading a statistic,

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it was something like 30 percent of high school students in America

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can't locate the United States on a globe if it's not marked,

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and people being horrified and surprised and I was thinking,

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"Yeah, that sounds about right."

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Now, remember the rules.

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I throw it at you, then you throw it at me.

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I don't get it. How do you win?

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It is easy and good practice to use the misfit

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which is, again, the person that is lesser than us,

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they're the ones we can look down on in some way, that is the misfit,

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to use them, as Shakespeare said, hold the mirror up to society,

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and ask people to take a look at themselves.

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What do we do now?

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Er, we could do homework.

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THEY LAUGH

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Audiences can connect with that behaviour because we are flawed.

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We are all flawed and, in fact, the offensive, creative material

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is that which doesn't acknowledge our flaws,

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where people behave well and are perfect.

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Would you like a copy of my butt?

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A lot of the '80s television was very kind of, um, there was

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a lot of very goody-goody stuff.

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I mean, I liked The Cosby Show, but everybody's going to Princeton

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and everybody is smart and good.

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Beavis and Butthead to me,

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maybe it was partially a reaction to all of that.

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And now you should be able to see

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the inherent beauty of the Dewey decimal system.

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-I see the beauty.

-Oh, yes.

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Some characters have no desire

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to get better, or they're just stupid. They're just dumb

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and they just can't get it.

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Cracks me up.

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DISTORTED SPEECH

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Mark Frost and I got together and would have coffees...

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I think we started at Du Par's on Ventura Boulevard.

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And...

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Somewhere along the line, this idea came of this kind of setting

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in a small town in North Western United States of America.

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Twin Peaks, this town has a mood.

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It's near the woods.

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It's a small town bunch, so there's people in a diner,

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people at a gas station, people in school.

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BELL RINGS

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They're all normal, but just like when you get to know people,

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you discover many, many, many peculiarities.

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-Who's the lady with the log?

-They call her Margaret.

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My log has something to tell you.

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Do you know it?

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I don't believe we've been introduced.

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Creating these people and this world, it's just,

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you know, first blush, that's just insanity.

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You could say we all have a television set in our brain.

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And you can turn the channels and see what comes on.

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You just, it's just there. There it is.

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It's not as crystal clear as the story,

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finally when it's finished,

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but it's like that, it's so much like that.

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David Lynch's use of Americana,

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that disparity between the dark underbelly

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between our expectation of what that world is like

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and what it's really like, you know, there are murders in small towns,

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people have been killing teenagers and jealous wives

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and drug use and all of that,

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behind that Norman Rockwell painting for ever, he just zeroed in on that.

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In my dream, Sarah Palmer has a vision of her daughter's killer.

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Deputy Hawks gets this picture.

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I got a phone call from a one-armed man named Mike.

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-The killer's name was Bob.

-Like in Bobby?

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No, it's a different Mike and a different Bob.

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They lived above a convenience store.

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They had a tattoo, "Fire...

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"Walk with me."

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Twin Peaks is a constant frame of reference in writers' rooms.

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You will constantly hear people bring it up.

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What?

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The feeling of it was just...

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You felt it viscerally.

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Twin Peaks was not that you felt emotions like sadness or happiness,

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you just felt this visceral feeling of dread and strangeness.

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The dream sequences...

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You know, I just... I give up.

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'I bow down to that.

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'I couldn't, I could not believe those dreams.'

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They just seemed like real dreams.

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Nightmares.

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And we did a lot of dream sequences on The Sopranos,

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we never got close to that.

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'Twin Peaks showed that outsider-dom

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'could be fuel for drama as well as comedy.'

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It's so heartening that Twin Peaks is now considered a classic,

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because it's one of those shows that is so strange

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you wouldn't have thought audiences would be able to swallow,

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you know, surrealism in prime-time television and they did

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and they loved it.

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'I really, am not really interested in characters who AREN'T outsiders.'

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I think I sort of grew up with an outsider's perspective

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for a variety of reasons and I still have it.

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As a writer, I love writing about characters who are misfits,

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whether they know that they are misfits or not.

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I find characters who are insiders who are getting it right,

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who are doing the right thing, who are

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well-adjusted and organised, and motivated....

0:23:370:23:41

Life's winners are...

0:23:410:23:42

not that interesting to me.

0:23:420:23:44

I just think they're really boring.

0:23:440:23:47

Stop, stop.

0:23:480:23:51

'David Fisher in Six Feet Under is a gay man,'

0:23:510:23:55

afraid to acknowledge who he is, so he's living

0:23:550:23:57

in a sort of outside bubble.

0:23:570:23:59

I'm gay, so of course I take those struggles seriously.

0:24:020:24:05

Please, God, help me.

0:24:050:24:07

Take this pain away, please.

0:24:070:24:09

Fill this loneliness with your love.

0:24:090:24:12

'I felt a sense of responsibility

0:24:220:24:24

'when I was cast in the role of David because I did recognise'

0:24:240:24:26

he was totally unique at that point...

0:24:260:24:30

a fully fleshed out, central...

0:24:300:24:33

gay character with a... a complex relationship,

0:24:330:24:38

a complex relationship to his work, to his family, to his sexuality.

0:24:380:24:43

He wasn't incidentally gay, he wasn't comic relief,

0:24:430:24:46

he wasn't the neighbour upstairs with the little dog.

0:24:460:24:49

He was David. He was,

0:24:490:24:51

he was right there in the middle of it all.

0:24:510:24:54

Mom?

0:24:540:24:55

Mmm?

0:24:550:24:56

You do have to write what you know, because then you can bring this,

0:24:560:24:59

you bring a knowledge to it and a depth to it

0:24:590:25:03

because those emotions are real.

0:25:030:25:05

Are you OK?

0:25:050:25:07

I have a terrible headache.

0:25:080:25:11

Well, maybe we can talk later.

0:25:110:25:13

What?

0:25:130:25:15

What?

0:25:150:25:16

I'm gay.

0:25:170:25:19

My relationship with death and characters' relationship

0:25:230:25:26

with their own mortality has been a big theme for me.

0:25:260:25:29

My sister was killed in a car accident

0:25:290:25:31

when I was 13 years old and that sort of, you know, cut my life in half.

0:25:310:25:35

I've been very fortunate in that I have been able to...

0:25:350:25:39

you know, focus that through my work.

0:25:390:25:42

'TV writers today have seized on the drama of the minority position.

0:25:510:25:57

'Maybe that's because so many Americans these days

0:25:570:25:59

'feel that they're in a minority of one.

0:25:590:26:02

'Prime time has a reassuring message...

0:26:030:26:06

'Everyone's got rights and even a vampire's got feelings.'

0:26:060:26:10

Humans are usually more squeamish about vampires than you are.

0:26:100:26:14

Who am I to be squeamish about something out of the ordinary?

0:26:160:26:19

I always think it's interesting when somebody has a knee-jerk

0:26:190:26:22

reaction of fear towards something that is different.

0:26:220:26:27

What do you have? A death wish?

0:26:270:26:28

No, I don't have a death wish,

0:26:280:26:29

I just happen to think that judging an entire group of people based on

0:26:290:26:33

the actions of a few individuals within that group is morally wrong.

0:26:330:26:36

Well, I will not let you put yourself

0:26:360:26:38

or this bar in danger, I won't.

0:26:380:26:39

I guess that is why horror as a genre can be such a potent

0:26:430:26:47

arena in which to explore these kinds of things.

0:26:470:26:50

Vampires often turn on those that trust them, you know?

0:26:500:26:53

We don't have human values like you.

0:26:560:26:59

Well, humans turn on those who trust them, too.

0:26:590:27:01

True Blood is about what is normal

0:27:130:27:15

and why do we fear people who are different than we are?

0:27:150:27:18

The American people, they know these are creatures of Satan. Demons.

0:27:180:27:22

Literally, they have no soul.

0:27:220:27:24

But Reverend Newman, you must be aware of polls that show consistently

0:27:240:27:28

-growing support for vampire rights?

-Those polls are fixed.

0:27:280:27:31

It challenges the idea of what's normal.

0:27:320:27:35

But what's your idea on a world where there's vampires

0:27:350:27:38

and werewolves and shape shifters.

0:27:380:27:42

BARKS

0:27:420:27:43

There is a running theme in the show about vampires

0:27:430:27:45

struggling for assimilation, which I think makes it fun to

0:27:450:27:49

sort of look at that struggle in a way that is not really earnest

0:27:490:27:54

or heartfelt about the real struggles that minorities face.

0:27:540:27:57

A lot of Americans don't think that you people deserve

0:27:570:28:00

-special rights.

-They are the same rights you have.

0:28:000:28:03

-I'm just saying there is a reason things are the way they are.

-Yeah?

0:28:030:28:06

It is called injustice.

0:28:060:28:08

It is a supernatural world.

0:28:120:28:13

It makes you think about how often people don't feel

0:28:130:28:16

exactly in synch with everyone else.

0:28:160:28:18

It's about being an outsider, being different.

0:28:200:28:24

The big theme in my work is the struggle to be

0:28:240:28:27

authentic in an increasingly inauthentic world.

0:28:270:28:30

United States of Tara is about a woman who is a wife and mother

0:28:330:28:37

who also happens to have dissociative identity disorder.

0:28:370:28:40

Which is also known as multiple personalities.

0:28:400:28:42

SHE SIGHS

0:28:440:28:45

Oh, God. Oh, Jesus Christ, it's happening again.

0:28:490:28:53

It's happening, I'm losing time again.

0:28:530:28:56

There are a lot of rules pertaining to mothers on television.

0:28:560:28:59

People like to see good mothers. And it's a note that you get a lot.

0:28:590:29:03

I'm, I want to, I want to up my medication but I don't want

0:29:030:29:05

Max to think that there is anything wrong with me.

0:29:050:29:08

So, to me it was kind of revolutionary to be able to

0:29:080:29:11

say this woman is deeply flawed and she is also a good mother.

0:29:110:29:15

Deal with that.

0:29:150:29:16

I want my real mother

0:29:160:29:17

and only my real mother and none of you other freaks. Just her.

0:29:170:29:21

Everybody else, go away.

0:29:210:29:23

Tara obviously realises that she is unusual.

0:29:250:29:28

She is definitely struggling to fit in.

0:29:280:29:31

We always jokingly call ourselves a traumatic comedy,

0:29:330:29:37

because it is a funny show

0:29:370:29:39

but it is rooted in something that is really quite disturbing.

0:29:390:29:42

Wonderful, now I have got Tab on my dress.

0:29:420:29:45

There is this belief that characters on television need to be extra

0:29:450:29:48

relatable and extra sympathetic

0:29:480:29:50

because they are coming into your home week after week.

0:29:500:29:53

The idea of normal has definitely been skewed.

0:29:530:29:56

I think now we are realising that abnormal is normal.

0:29:560:30:00

We really are in the age of the nerds.

0:30:030:30:06

The people that we all look up to,

0:30:060:30:07

someone like Bill Gates,

0:30:070:30:10

you know, one of the most famous Americans.

0:30:100:30:13

He is this dorky kid from Seattle with a computer start-up.

0:30:130:30:18

The nerds are kind of revered in new and different ways.

0:30:180:30:22

I mean, you ask people like, oh, are you really popular

0:30:240:30:28

and you fit in and you got along with everyone?

0:30:280:30:30

It is a pretty small percentage of people that go, yeah!

0:30:300:30:33

We relate to that - it is a universal experience.

0:30:330:30:36

-You should get one of these.

-No, thank you.

0:30:370:30:40

I grew up in suburban Seattle as quite a nerd.

0:30:400:30:44

For instance in my sophomore year of high school

0:30:440:30:46

I was playing Dungeons and Dragons, I was on the debate club, Model United

0:30:460:30:50

Nations, computer club, marching band where I played the bells.

0:30:500:30:54

BELL RINGS

0:30:540:30:56

Whoosh.

0:30:560:30:57

I know that nerd world pretty well.

0:30:570:31:01

America and Britain, as someone once said,

0:31:070:31:10

our two nations divided by a common language.

0:31:100:31:13

And so the translation of Wernham Hogg in Slough into Dunder Mifflin

0:31:130:31:18

in Scranton, Pennsylvania was always going to be a major undertaking.

0:31:180:31:23

Not least was the delicate question of how you turn a plonker...

0:31:240:31:28

Pow, pow, pow...

0:31:280:31:31

..Into a nerd.

0:31:310:31:32

Dwight to me is the most bizarre character. I mean,

0:31:370:31:39

he could exist in so many different times.

0:31:390:31:42

One of the great things

0:31:420:31:43

that we did was to incorporate some of Rainn's life story.

0:31:430:31:48

PUFFS

0:31:480:31:50

He brought in, I remember a photo album of relatives of his who

0:31:500:31:55

were pretty rural.

0:31:550:31:57

And that helped -

0:31:570:31:58

we passed that around and we really saw what his stock was.

0:31:580:32:02

When we discover,

0:32:020:32:03

on around season two or three that Dwight is actually a farmer.

0:32:030:32:08

Welcome to Schrute Farm!

0:32:080:32:10

It all clicks, it all falls into place, because I don't know how much

0:32:100:32:13

time you have spent with farmers, they are kind of weird people.

0:32:130:32:16

We think, oh, farmers are salt of the earth, you know.

0:32:160:32:18

I have a lot of family that are farmers.

0:32:180:32:20

Not really salt of the earth, they kind of are,

0:32:200:32:23

but they can be just weirdos.

0:32:230:32:25

And just as you have planted your seed in the ground,

0:32:250:32:28

I am going to plant my seed in you.

0:32:280:32:32

The nerd, the social misfit, the antagonist,

0:32:320:32:37

the clannish person that comes from a very Germanic love of rules.

0:32:370:32:44

I have decided to shun Andy Bernard for the next three years.

0:32:440:32:47

Which I'm looking forward to. It is an Amish technique.

0:32:470:32:51

It is like slapping someone with silence.

0:32:510:32:53

I love The Office characters.

0:32:530:32:54

I think they are, they are all of us and none of us at the same time.

0:32:540:32:58

HE PUFFS

0:32:580:33:00

-OK, you know what? How much is that?

-It's only 25 bucks.

-Wow.

0:33:000:33:06

Um...OK.

0:33:060:33:08

AIR HISSING

0:33:110:33:13

I used to make this joke where I said, you know,

0:33:160:33:18

I love The Bourne Identity.

0:33:180:33:20

But I would like it more if it starred George Wendt.

0:33:220:33:25

-Norm from Cheers.

-Why don't you sit down, Norm?

0:33:250:33:29

LAUGHTER

0:33:290:33:31

I just think that it is funny to see people trying to succeed in life

0:33:320:33:37

and they have bigger obstacles.

0:33:370:33:39

Man, I hate high school.

0:33:410:33:44

# I don't give a damn about reputation... #

0:33:450:33:48

I had a friend recently, whose son is very nerdy,

0:33:480:33:53

doesn't really fit in school.

0:33:530:33:55

I had my DVD box of Freaks And Geeks, I was like, I tell you what,

0:33:550:33:58

I will give you this box, you sit down with your son,

0:33:580:34:01

you watch Freaks And Geeks from beginning to end,

0:34:010:34:04

watch all 17 episodes, and I guarantee you things will change.

0:34:040:34:08

High school is a time that one has to start to face

0:34:080:34:11

whether they fit in society.

0:34:110:34:13

Why are you always the one who is out of step?

0:34:130:34:15

Is there something the matter with you? What makes you the outsider?

0:34:170:34:21

That's what I always found interesting about high school,

0:34:230:34:27

it is this kind of great social, I don't know,

0:34:270:34:30

experiment in which you lump all these kids into a building

0:34:300:34:34

and the only thing we all have in common is we are the same age.

0:34:340:34:38

Well, if you were one of the popular people in high school,

0:34:390:34:43

you were in the centre of the action and you weren't observing it and

0:34:430:34:47

you weren't having thoughts about it really, because you were living it.

0:34:470:34:51

And the envy and resentment and all these emotions

0:34:510:34:56

kind of make the creative person want to do a satirical take on it.

0:34:560:35:02

You are dead, weird.

0:35:030:35:05

I'm sick of being called a geek.

0:35:090:35:12

I mean, what is so geeky about us anyways? We are just guys.

0:35:120:35:15

To me, it is all about rooting interests.

0:35:160:35:19

You want to root for the person who has the least chance to succeed.

0:35:190:35:23

Freaks And Geeks was my attempt to recreate my actual experiences in high school.

0:35:290:35:34

Paul Feig grew up as a nerd in Michigan,

0:35:480:35:50

so he wanted to make a high school show that was about what his high school life was about,

0:35:500:35:56

which was a lot of beatings, apparently, a lot of humiliation.

0:35:560:36:00

Oh, I'm sorry, did I crush your twinkies(?)

0:36:020:36:05

What I did was on the first day I created this questionnaire

0:36:050:36:08

that I handed out to the writers and it said,

0:36:080:36:10

"What was the most humiliating thing that ever happened to you in high school?

0:36:100:36:13

"What is the worst drug you took?

0:36:130:36:15

"What's the maddest your parents ever got at you?"

0:36:150:36:17

We literally sat in a room for two weeks

0:36:170:36:19

and just told personal stories and mined that for the whole season.

0:36:190:36:23

It became a collective spewing of pain.

0:36:230:36:28

Buy this garment and I guarantee you will be

0:36:280:36:30

perceived as a man of distinction by the ladies.

0:36:300:36:33

The Parisian jumpsuit was actually something that I really did.

0:36:330:36:37

He claims that when he was a kid,

0:36:390:36:41

he thought it would be cool to have this Parisian night suit.

0:36:410:36:44

I think he wore it and he was humiliated.

0:36:440:36:46

The minute I walked in the door I knew I had made a horrendous

0:36:460:36:50

mistake and I was stuck in that thing all day and I couldn't get out.

0:36:500:36:54

It does seem that you have to go through

0:36:540:36:56

a bath of pain to become a professional comedy writer.

0:36:560:37:00

Most stories ended with, and he was humiliated.

0:37:000:37:05

(COUGHING) Homo! Homo! Homo!

0:37:050:37:08

Homo! Homo! Homo!

0:37:080:37:10

Hey, hey, hey! Now, Sam wearing something different

0:37:100:37:15

to express his individuality makes him a homo?

0:37:150:37:19

Well, then, I guess we should all be proud to be homos.

0:37:190:37:25

Now, you go ahead, Sam.

0:37:250:37:26

Problems we have as teenagers,

0:37:260:37:28

we continue to have through our whole lives of trying to figure out,

0:37:280:37:31

who am I? How do I fit in? What am I doing? Am I doing the right thing?

0:37:310:37:34

It seems like everything turned out all right.

0:37:340:37:36

But when I go and drop off my kids at school,

0:37:360:37:40

just even interacting with the parents,

0:37:400:37:42

I feel as goofy and worthless as I did when I was 11 years old.

0:37:420:37:47

I can feel that while people are APPLAUDING me.

0:37:470:37:50

You know, in the middle of it I can just go, I'm a piece of crap.

0:37:500:37:53

CHEERING

0:37:530:37:54

People assume that if you succeed in this business,

0:37:550:38:00

let's say like a Letterman or a Leno, and have tremendous success that

0:38:000:38:04

you'd have every reason to think that you are going to be secure.

0:38:040:38:09

How do you feel about that Haiti situation?

0:38:090:38:13

Erm...where's that?

0:38:130:38:16

-That is right next to the Dominican Republic.

-Oh, right, right.

0:38:170:38:21

That's a great shop.

0:38:210:38:24

Those people are inconceivably insecure.

0:38:270:38:30

That curtain is a perfect metaphor for how someone wants to be

0:38:300:38:36

seen when they come through the curtain, it's like how we are in

0:38:360:38:39

life when we want people to think of us a certain way,

0:38:390:38:41

and then on the other side of the curtain is

0:38:410:38:44

when we are our real selves.

0:38:440:38:46

It's all over. You did good. You did good.

0:38:460:38:48

Oh, God. I hope we beat Leno.

0:38:480:38:52

What he's doing, how he's doing it, how he's saying the line,

0:38:520:38:55

it is just...just the vanity of the whole thing.

0:38:550:39:00

It is just the inflation of ego that needs to be deflated.

0:39:000:39:04

Beverley, somebody has been sitting in my chair.

0:39:040:39:07

Did they also eat your porridge too?

0:39:070:39:09

-You know, like Goldilocks And The Three Bears?

-Oh, right.

0:39:090:39:12

Beverley, somebody has been sitting in my chair. Would you please

0:39:120:39:15

-send out a memo to tell them not to?

-I certainly will.

0:39:150:39:17

Thank you.

0:39:170:39:18

'Going past the joke into what is a character'

0:39:180:39:23

and these are very vain characters and very driven and very human.

0:39:230:39:28

Which one of these do you like the most?

0:39:320:39:35

-Oh, this one.

-Yeah, me too. Yeah, me too.

0:39:350:39:38

Larry Sanders is one of showbiz's sacred monsters -

0:39:510:39:54

attractive and repulsive in equal measure.

0:39:540:39:57

A rampant egotist with low self-esteem.

0:39:570:40:01

An insider with all the insecurities of an outsider.

0:40:010:40:04

'I played myself when I came on the show.'

0:40:040:40:07

I had had sex with his wife after they got separated

0:40:070:40:09

and he found out about it.

0:40:090:40:11

Listen, you don't have a problem that she and I, you know,

0:40:110:40:14

-after your divorce?

-No, I have no problem with that.

0:40:140:40:17

The phrase be my guest comes to mind. Know what I mean?

0:40:170:40:19

-Everything is OK with you and me?

-It couldn't be better.

0:40:190:40:22

-I'm thrilled you're here.

-Fantastic.

-Don't worry about it.

0:40:220:40:24

Listen, let's not bring this thing about Francine up on the show,

0:40:240:40:27

-all right?

-Wouldn't dream of it, Larr.

0:40:270:40:29

And try to talk up when you're out there on the air.

0:40:290:40:32

'Rip Torn was his boss'

0:40:320:40:34

and when they broke for commercial,

0:40:340:40:36

'Garry looked at me and said, "I'll be right back,"

0:40:360:40:39

'and he walked over to Rip, and he said,'

0:40:390:40:41

"Every time I look at him, I keep seeing him having sex with Francine

0:40:410:40:46

"and Francine is on top," and Rip Torn goes, "The lazy bastard!"

0:40:460:40:52

And I just remember that they...

0:40:520:40:55

'That show...I mean, Larry just has this'

0:40:550:40:58

really sophisticated level of patheticness.

0:40:580:41:01

-Larry, you and I have something in common.

-Yes. Yes, we do.

0:41:010:41:06

LAUGHTER

0:41:060:41:09

A lot of you probably don't know that Alec and I...

0:41:090:41:12

Well, Alec used to actually date my ex-wife Francine.

0:41:120:41:15

AUDIENCE: Oooh!

0:41:150:41:18

No, I was referring to our charity work with multiple sclerosis.

0:41:180:41:23

LAUGHTER

0:41:230:41:25

I know.

0:41:250:41:27

People would say, "He's such a fool."

0:41:270:41:29

I never thought he was a fool. I just thought he was terribly needy.

0:41:290:41:32

Let's take a little commercial break.

0:41:320:41:34

I was there for about five years and everything I learned

0:41:350:41:38

about storytelling

0:41:380:41:41

I mainly learned from being around Garry,

0:41:410:41:43

and Garry used to say that The Larry Sanders Show is about

0:41:430:41:48

a group of people who love each other but show business gets in the way.

0:41:480:41:52

'So that was the secret.

0:41:520:41:54

'Those characters were all seeking love.'

0:41:540:41:56

They're just covering it because it is not safe.

0:41:560:42:01

-What's wrong?

-Oh, nothing.

0:42:010:42:03

Nothing. It's not you it's just...

0:42:030:42:06

'It's safe to have an audience'

0:42:060:42:08

and you just... There's only so much of yourself that they can reject.

0:42:080:42:12

Maybe we should watch a little TV.

0:42:120:42:15

'But getting that love from a camera...'

0:42:150:42:20

-HE LAUGHS

-..is awfully desperate.

0:42:200:42:24

For the iGeneration - that lonely crowd, each one lost

0:42:260:42:30

in an I world of their own invention -

0:42:300:42:33

dysfunction is the new funny.

0:42:330:42:35

There's certain elements of comedy that always...

0:42:360:42:39

They always have to be there. Narcissism is one of them.

0:42:390:42:42

Every character needs to have a fatal flaw,

0:42:430:42:48

or a series of fatal flaws.

0:42:480:42:51

It's an inability to see something about themselves.

0:42:510:42:54

The very definition of narcissism is you can't see beyond

0:42:540:42:57

the tip of your own nose. The centre of the universe is you and only you

0:42:570:43:00

and everything else revolves around you.

0:43:000:43:02

Take it back! If I wanted something your thumb touched,

0:43:020:43:05

I'd eat the inside of your ear!

0:43:050:43:07

I would say Arrested Development was very heavily informed

0:43:070:43:10

by the idea of narcissism as kind of a modern problem.

0:43:100:43:14

Every one of those characters was self-involved and they had

0:43:160:43:19

gotten there because they had had the finances to do that.

0:43:190:43:23

Bluth Development Company president George Bluth was arrested tonight

0:43:230:43:27

for defrauding investors using the company as his personal piggy bank.

0:43:270:43:32

It's all about greed.

0:43:320:43:33

It is how do I look, what do I have?

0:43:330:43:35

At the time, the big story in the news was Enron and WorldCom.

0:43:370:43:41

And they were just ugly, public

0:43:410:43:43

meltdowns where well-to-do

0:43:430:43:46

families were fighting each other, suing each other,

0:43:460:43:51

stealing from each other, lying about each other

0:43:510:43:54

and it was just horrible, and we thought it was pretty funny.

0:43:540:43:58

They are going to keep Dad in prison at least

0:43:580:44:01

until this all gets sorted out.

0:44:010:44:03

Also the attorney said they are going to have to put a halt on the company's expense account.

0:44:030:44:07

THEY GASP

0:44:070:44:09

Interesting, I would have expected that

0:44:090:44:10

after they're keeping Dad in jail.

0:44:100:44:12

It's interesting to think whether narcissism

0:44:230:44:25

will always be funny in comedy.

0:44:250:44:27

It might be a temporal thing, it might be right now.

0:44:270:44:30

I am absolutely consumed about narcissism.

0:44:300:44:32

It does seem to be a very, very strong voice in comedy right now.

0:44:320:44:36

I think this stuff about Twitter and Facebook is very odd.

0:44:360:44:40

I don't think it's about communication.

0:44:400:44:42

I don't think it's about communication

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when you say, "I've just bought a grape."

0:44:460:44:48

Who cares if you bought a grape?

0:44:510:44:53

Narcissists never have any idea that they're, you know,

0:44:530:44:56

that they're raging assholes.

0:44:560:44:57

They have their logic, they see the world a particular way

0:44:590:45:03

and if you are as gifted as Mitch Hurwitz is,

0:45:030:45:06

you can present that in a way that is somehow still not only funny

0:45:060:45:11

but kind of appealing, kind of winning.

0:45:110:45:14

You've seen George Bluth on videotape.

0:45:140:45:16

You have got to learn to be alone.

0:45:160:45:19

I cheated and I lied and I whored around.

0:45:190:45:22

Caged Wisdom changed my life.

0:45:220:45:26

Now is your chance to own the entire George Bluth...

0:45:260:45:29

A lot of the comedy came from people truly not understanding

0:45:290:45:32

why their behaviour was antisocial.

0:45:320:45:35

I'm Jack Donaghy,

0:45:390:45:40

new VP of development for NBC/GE/Universal/Kmart.

0:45:400:45:43

We own Kmart now?

0:45:430:45:45

No. So why are you dressed like we do?

0:45:450:45:48

When a narcissist is not a sociopath,

0:45:480:45:53

not beyond redemption, not incapable of functioning in the world,

0:45:530:45:57

but is still a narcissist, still kind of out for number one.

0:45:570:46:00

I'll call Rebecca. Is she at the White House line? Great.

0:46:000:46:03

Tell them I need a 4am tee off time.

0:46:030:46:07

Five inches, but it's thick.

0:46:070:46:09

There is a correlation with how normal people relate

0:46:210:46:25

and interact, but it doesn't jibe completely.

0:46:250:46:30

I just swung by to see if we were still on for tonight.

0:46:300:46:33

-Oh, yeah, of course.

-Good. See you tonight.

0:46:330:46:37

It is pretty interesting to see that somebody kind of vaguely

0:46:370:46:40

knows where the out of bounds lines are

0:46:400:46:44

and manages to stay on the playing field.

0:46:440:46:47

Well, well, well. Lemon, Steven is a good man,

0:46:470:46:50

he is on partner track at Dewey and he is a Black.

0:46:500:46:52

A black? That is offensive!

0:46:520:46:55

No, no, that's his last name. Steven Black.

0:46:550:46:59

-Good family.

-Oh, yeah, of course.

-Remarkable people, the Blacks.

0:46:590:47:02

Musical, very athletic, not very good swimmers.

0:47:020:47:05

Again I'm talking about the family. Black is African-American now.

0:47:050:47:10

Well, I don't care about that.

0:47:100:47:12

Well, I know that is the type of thing we tell ourselves but trust me,

0:47:120:47:15

when I was dating Condoleezza, there were genuine cultural tensions.

0:47:150:47:19

I mean, we would go to the movies and she would yell at the screen.

0:47:190:47:22

You know, Jack views sensitivity to other people,

0:47:250:47:28

I don't know where... "I have just exactly the right amount I need."

0:47:280:47:32

I call.

0:47:320:47:33

'There is a level of self-awareness that he could obtain'

0:47:330:47:35

that is a greater level of self-awareness.

0:47:350:47:37

He doesn't care about that.

0:47:370:47:39

And I will see that with... this thing.

0:47:390:47:43

-I call.

-A pair of Jacks.

-Ace high.

0:47:480:47:52

Three cowboys.

0:47:520:47:53

Oh, my God, my wedding ring. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

0:47:550:48:01

-You should all learn from Pete's mistake.

-My wife is going to kill me!

0:48:010:48:04

I think for Jack, America is like this big golf course,

0:48:040:48:08

and you play 18 holes and you have a good score,

0:48:080:48:12

and, "I want to go to the clubhouse and I want to put my feet up

0:48:120:48:15

"and I want to have a drink and I just don't want to have to

0:48:150:48:17

"worry about poor people and racism and pollution and recycling.

0:48:170:48:23

"I played a great round of golf and I want to sit back

0:48:230:48:27

"and savour my victory."

0:48:270:48:28

That has been the evolution of the misfit, is that they no

0:48:280:48:31

longer think little of themselves or think that they are odd.

0:48:310:48:35

They take it on.

0:48:350:48:36

The crown prince of misfits is Larry David,

0:48:380:48:42

a character played by, er...Larry David,

0:48:420:48:45

one of the creators of that grand opera of outsiderdom Seinfeld.

0:48:450:48:49

For Larry, being in a majority of one is the only way to roll.

0:48:490:48:54

Smile!

0:48:570:48:58

Hey, mind your own business! How about that?

0:49:000:49:02

"Larry", the character, sees himself as being right...

0:49:020:49:07

"I'm right, you're wrong."

0:49:070:49:09

..in almost all situations.

0:49:090:49:12

What is that banana thing?

0:49:140:49:16

These people they come here, and they get ten samples, you know?

0:49:160:49:19

And it's not right for the woman working back there.

0:49:190:49:22

She's got better things to do than just scooping out samples for them.

0:49:220:49:24

They're awesome!

0:49:240:49:26

He doesn't like to follow conventions.

0:49:260:49:30

-You've got a long wait.

-Oh, could I try the tiramisu?

0:49:320:49:35

It's good. That's a good one. That's a good one. Get that. Get that.

0:49:350:49:38

-I think I will. Thank you.

-Get that.

0:49:380:49:41

-And I think I'd like to try the banana, please.

-Banana?!

0:49:410:49:44

It might taste like, let me guess, a banana?!

0:49:440:49:47

On the show, I have the freedom to say anything that I want,

0:49:470:49:52

anything that occurs to me, anything that I would never say in my life.

0:49:520:49:56

-You're like a sample abuser.

-What is the matter with you?

0:49:560:49:59

You are abusing your sampling privileges.

0:49:590:50:01

One sample, two samples the most.

0:50:010:50:03

-You can't just go on sample after sample.

-Yes, I can!

-No, you can't!

0:50:030:50:06

You know what? I'm just going to have the plain vanilla, please.

0:50:060:50:09

-Thank you.

-Oh, a decision has been made! We got vanilla! Enjoy.

0:50:090:50:15

Thank you.

0:50:150:50:17

That's not really who Larry is,

0:50:170:50:19

but I think it's like who Larry might like to be.

0:50:190:50:22

Vanilla! She winds up with vanilla, you've got to be kidding me!

0:50:220:50:25

How is the vanilla?

0:50:270:50:29

The person on the show is the real person.

0:50:400:50:44

This is the fraud, this one is the fake, this one's fake

0:50:440:50:49

and that one is real and it is as simple as that.

0:50:490:50:52

If you don't relate to a character, at first you just say,

0:50:520:50:55

"Oh, that's just a jerk. Just a jerk."

0:50:550:50:59

But if you stay with it long enough,

0:50:590:51:01

at some point I will guarantee you that the writing of that show

0:51:010:51:05

is designed to force you to relate.

0:51:050:51:09

A little travelling tip - try not to wear shorts.

0:51:090:51:12

It's not all that attractive to look at for five hours. Honestly.

0:51:120:51:16

-Are you kidding?

-No, I am not.

0:51:160:51:18

I wear these on every flight when I travel because

0:51:180:51:21

it is very comfortable. These planes, if you notice, get very hot.

0:51:210:51:24

I'm sorry, I did not see where I had to check with the person

0:51:240:51:27

I am sitting next to what I should wear.

0:51:270:51:29

I am comfortable in pyjamas but I don't wear pyjamas on a plane.

0:51:290:51:32

I like to sing, I like to whistle, I like to play the bongos

0:51:320:51:35

on my leg, I like to imitate horses, but I don't do it, OK?

0:51:350:51:38

-Because there is somebody sitting next to me.

-OK.

0:51:380:51:40

Larry's gift in life is that everything offends him,

0:51:420:51:46

everything challenges him, everything diminishes him.

0:51:460:51:50

He perceives everything as a threat.

0:51:500:51:52

-HE LAUGHS

-Not everything offends me.

0:51:520:51:57

There is not a moment where you think that Larry David

0:51:570:52:00

the character on Curb Your Enthusiasm is over-thinking

0:52:000:52:03

what he is going to say and who he is going to be.

0:52:030:52:04

He walks through life and he has an experience and he reacts to it.

0:52:040:52:07

-It is not long distance even if it is in India.

-So I am on the 14th hole.

0:52:070:52:12

OK, Lloyd has got these great Cuban cigars,

0:52:120:52:14

so we are smoking the cigars.

0:52:140:52:16

The Larry in Curb has actually become the bull in a china closet.

0:52:160:52:20

..I was trying to brush my teeth with an apple, it was horrible.

0:52:200:52:24

-Horrible.

-Excuse me, who are you talking to?

-Myself.

0:52:240:52:29

-Well, you are doing it really loud.

-Oh, really?

-Yes.

0:52:290:52:32

-You're kind of talking loud yourself.

-To a person!

0:52:320:52:36

What's the difference?

0:52:360:52:37

'Instead of being the guy that walks into a situation'

0:52:370:52:39

perceiving some sort of an attack that was never there,

0:52:390:52:43

Larry on Curb now walks into situations and ignites the flame.

0:52:430:52:46

To the outside observer it is the same level of annoyance.

0:52:460:52:49

I need to talk to my friend, I can barely hear him.

0:52:490:52:51

If you talk lower to your friend, I'll talk lower to my other self.

0:52:510:52:55

-Great. Good plan.

-All right.

-Jesus Christ.

0:52:550:52:57

What a schmuck! He's been talking on his cellphone...

0:52:570:53:00

Sometimes, there are these outsiders who you would label as misfits

0:53:000:53:04

or dysfunctional, but really peel it away and you keep finding

0:53:040:53:11

very, very human relatable

0:53:110:53:16

aspects of that misfit's personality.

0:53:160:53:19

BELL RINGS

0:53:220:53:24

-She's got my vote.

-She's such an inspiration.

0:53:240:53:27

It is nice to see someone like me on a poster for a change.

0:53:270:53:30

I have two boys, 14 and 16, and everybody is a freaking geek now.

0:53:300:53:34

It is great.

0:53:340:53:35

-What are you doing?

-Hey, I am running for prom queen.

0:53:350:53:38

-As a joke, right?

-Does it look like I am joking?

0:53:380:53:41

When your name appears on that ballot, everyone will think it's a

0:53:410:53:44

laugh riot and you may just get enough votes to win.

0:53:440:53:46

That is sort of the idea.

0:53:460:53:48

Look at what Glee has done. The normal kids are the oddball ones.

0:53:480:53:53

Hit it.

0:53:530:53:54

# ..Disabilities left you outcast Bullied or teased

0:53:540:53:57

# Rejoice and love yourself today Cos baby you were born this way... #

0:53:570:54:01

I think if you scratch anybody, we are all the misfits,

0:54:020:54:06

we are all the stranger.

0:54:060:54:08

There has been an evolution that is reflected on television that

0:54:100:54:15

people are starting to understand that humans are flawed.

0:54:150:54:19

That is why we like the oddball, the outsider.

0:54:190:54:22

There isn't as much emphasis on conformity as there used to be.

0:54:240:54:27

Now it is almost cool to be weird.

0:54:270:54:30

I don't even know what a misfit is any more.

0:54:300:54:33

# ..Right track Baby I was born this way... #

0:54:360:54:39

How many people actually relate to Brad Pitt?

0:54:390:54:43

You know, how many people look at him and go, "That's me!"

0:54:430:54:46

Thank heaven Thing is still normal.

0:54:550:54:58

In great storytelling, you feel close to the world, you feel close

0:55:000:55:04

to humanity and that is why we like these shows

0:55:040:55:07

because it reflects most people's struggle.

0:55:070:55:10

It has to have some element of truth that we recognise.

0:55:120:55:16

I had a pretty dysfunctional family

0:55:160:55:17

and we didn't really talk too much or interact too much, but the

0:55:170:55:21

thing that did bring us together was gathering around the television

0:55:210:55:25

after our dinners were done and watching television comedies.

0:55:250:55:29

That was really, really important to me,

0:55:300:55:33

the family sitting round and laughing together.

0:55:330:55:36

There is just something very intimate about watching television.

0:55:380:55:42

It is in your house, it is this far away from you,

0:55:420:55:44

you are in a relationship with what is happening on the screen.

0:55:440:55:47

It can, at its best bring, people together

0:55:490:55:51

and help define a culture.

0:55:510:55:52

We strive all our lives as writers, artists, actors

0:55:520:55:56

to connect with other people through what we do.

0:55:560:55:59

TV at its best connects with you directly,

0:56:000:56:04

personally because it is a small box in your house.

0:56:040:56:09

Maybe even in your room, maybe next to your bed.

0:56:090:56:13

There is no more intimate connection that you have with anything

0:56:130:56:16

other than the people next to you.

0:56:160:56:18

But the TV, because of its size

0:56:200:56:22

and because of the smaller nature of the stories that are being

0:56:220:56:27

told for the small screen, actually get in a little deeper sometimes.

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