Episode 2 Hugh's War on Waste


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We're spending more money than ever before

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to get what we want, when we want it,

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but we're paying a high price for our world of infinite choice.

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How long do you think it takes the whole of Britain

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to throw away seven tonnes of clothes?

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We chuck away over £400,000 worth of clothes every day.

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That looks really nearly new.

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And at a time when millions of people in Britain are struggling to pay their food bills,

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a third of all the food we produce is being wasted.

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Last week, I put the spotlight on the horrendous amount of food

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we're chucking at home.

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-That's got another two weeks to go.

-But it's been opened.

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We came out with a bag full of just rubbish.

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-Do you know why I'm throwing your food away?

-Why?

-No.

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Cos that's what people do, they throw their food away.

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Now it's time to confront our supermarkets

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over their hidden food waste,

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both in their stores...

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Oh, my God! It's absolutely rammed.

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..and on our farms.

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After 30-odd years, it's now coming to an end today.

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Who do we need more?

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The people who grow our food or the people who sell it to us?

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I've got a big wodge of cancelled orders. What's happening here?

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They can sell their produce anywhere they like.

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If our buying practices are so bad, why are they still selling to us?

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If you tell me where you shop...

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Together, we can change the way we all deal with this problem

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for the better and for ever,

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so please join my war on waste.

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We buy over 40 million tonnes of food every year

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and the vast majority of that comes through just seven supermarkets.

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I've been trying to find out just how much

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of that huge mountain of food

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our biggest retailers are throwing away.

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But if you look at their websites,

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you'd think they hardly have a waste problem at all.

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I'm on Sainsbury's website here.

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Now, apparently, Sainsbury's want to be a zero waste company.

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Tesco want to be world leaders in eradicating food waste.

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And one thing almost all the supermarkets are saying is,

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they do everything they can to avoid wasting any food

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that's still fit for human consumption.

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Now I want to find out - is that really true?

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Like most of us, Sam and Catie get their food from a supermarket,

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the only difference is they wait until the tills are shut

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and everyone's gone home.

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-Is that a Tesco up there?

-That is.

-Is this the one we're after?

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Yeah, we're going to go and have a look.

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And the food they are after is not on the shelves,

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but in the bins round the back.

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The only snag is, it's not entirely legal.

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I suddenly feel a little bit nervous.

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-It's definitely closed, isn't it?

-Yeah.

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Should be, it's ten past midnight.

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They've been skip diving from the backs of supermarkets

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for over seven years

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and they tell me that Britain's biggest retailers

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are secretly chucking away tonnes of perfectly good food.

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Oh, my God! Oh, hello!

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It's absolutely rammed.

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That's not what I was expecting at all.

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OK, that's 1st of July milk.

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This is natural mineral water. 13th May 2017.

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-Pork scratching.

-Energy tablets. One apple.

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-There's beer. There you go.

-Mints.

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According to Sam and Catie, you can find hauls like this

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round the back of supermarkets all over Britain.

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They reckon they've fed at least 25,000 people

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in their Bristol cafe, Skipchen,

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all with binned produce like this,

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which supermarkets claim isn't fit for human consumption.

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Is this...? Ah, Mr Ambassador, you are spoiling us.

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There is a gold mine of Ferrero Rocher.

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It just keeps coming.

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Has anyone ever pursued you for breaking the law?

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For taking food away from their premises?

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I would love them to and they haven't.

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I sat in the back of a police car for 40 minutes whilst they radioed through

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and I said to the police, "Please try and get them to press charges,"

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and even the police turned round and said to me,

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"They're never going to do it, are they?"

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And I was like, "No, they're not. It would be awful PR for them."

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Having cleaned out Tesco's finest,

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we're heading down the road to see what's on offer at Waitrose.

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What have we got here?

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-Oh, my goodness!

-Here we go.

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This is today's date.

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-It is. It's all today.

-I mean...

-Lovely salads.

-Pea shoots.

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You know what, you could just put the whole of this bin

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in the back of your van because it's all good stuff.

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Oh, look! Heston from Waitrose. Chicken tikka curry skewers.

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Sorry, Heston, they didn't want that today.

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Whoa! We've hit the fruit mother load.

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-Look at this.

-Look at that. That's beautiful. Look at those.

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Oh, my goodness! Look at them, and those are not even overripe.

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These bins are just full of bananas.

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You do get a better class of waste at Waitrose, do you not?

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That looks like a pretty good haul to me.

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I mean, lots of things you can do with this.

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How does it stand up to what you would usually hope to get?

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-Um, I would say that it's below average.

-Below average? Really?

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-Yep.

-It's quite shocking.

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This food shouldn't actually be here in the first place.

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They don't want people to find out about their dirty little secret.

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This branch of Waitrose has binned hundreds of pounds worth

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of perfectly good food tonight...

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..but that's not something they'll be admitting to their customers.

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Here's what it says on the Waitrose website -

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"Surplus food that is fit for consumption

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"is donated to local charities."

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And that's the front-facing message that Waitrose are putting out

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to all their customers about their food waste policy,

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and I think it's flawed.

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In fact, I think that it's just basically not true.

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Either they are deliberately misleading its customers

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or Waitrose don't know what's happening in their stores.

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And now I've got the perfect opportunity to tell them

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what we found, because they've agreed to give me an interview.

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Armed with the footage from our skip diving mission,

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I'm meeting Quentin Clark - their head of sustainability.

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-Hi, Quentin.

-Hi, Hugh. How are you?

-Very good to see you.

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As you know, I'm looking at the problem of waste,

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particularly food waste

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and particularly how the supermarkets are coping with it

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and contributing to it.

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You're a massive store, loads of fresh produce.

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Inevitably, you're not going to sell all of it.

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What happens to the stuff that's surplus, that's heading for that use-by date?

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If it's left on the shelf,

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first thing we'll do is, we'll reduce it to customers,

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then we'll reduce it and sell it to staff.

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The next stage is, we donate that to organisations

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that are local around our store.

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This is Waitrose in Old Sodbury.

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What have we got here? Oh, my goodness!

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-Lovely salad.

-Pea shoots.

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These bins are just full of bananas.

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You do get a better class of waste at Waitrose, do you not?

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It's well stated on your website that food that is fit

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for human consumption, we'll find a distribution,

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we'll get it to a charity. That's your policy.

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Are those things sort of falling through the net?

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Well, clearly they are.

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Um, I mean, but the principle behind all this is,

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and I stand by all of that,

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that the commitment is that we don't want any food that is

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fit for human consumption to actually be disposed of, OK?

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If I go to your website right now,

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it will still basically tell me that food that's fit for

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human consumption goes to charities

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and that you've kind of dealt with that problem.

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Well, OK. I think it's a fair point, it's a fair call.

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That's not intended to deliberately deceive or anything like that,

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but it needs to be refreshed

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because we don't want food which should be eaten not to be eaten.

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Well, let's end on that note because who does?

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It's good to hear Waitrose say they could do better,

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but if we're going to demand that our supermarkets stop wasting food,

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we better take a look at our own habits too

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because we chuck away a staggering four million tonnes

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of edible food every year.

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In a nine-week experiment,

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I've challenged the residents of Gardner Road, Prestwich,

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to transform the way they deal with their waste.

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Now, I want to make sure that you're not throwing away good food.

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Oh, there's almost a whole baguette. Is that a whole baguette?

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With just three weeks to go,

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the Waste Not Prestwich Facebook page is hotting up,

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as residents post their food-saving tips and recipes.

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We're just eating these rather stale crackers, here.

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You put them in the microwave for ten seconds.

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-Oh, yeah.

-Sounds all right. No, seriously.

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Doesn't matter what the date says on an egg,

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it might not have gone off,

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so the way you test is, you get some water...

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and, if it drops to the bottom, it's not gone off. Good egg!

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And I've joined in the fun myself.

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There's a moment when your strawberries just start to turn.

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You can actually make them last a good while longer.

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A little shake of sugar, a squeeze of lemon,

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and if I pop them in the fridge, they're good for another couple of days.

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But this experiment isn't just about food waste.

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I've asked the residents here to stop chucking recyclable glass,

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plastic and cans in the wrong bin.

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And that bit of our rubbish revolution isn't going quite so well.

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-Hey, Michelle. I'm Hugh.

-Hi. Nice to meet you.

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25-year-old painter and decorator Michelle

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has the most notorious bins in the neighbourhood.

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Apparently they are such a mess that the council has refused to go near them.

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Right.

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-Looks like there's a bit of food in there, Michelle.

-I know.

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-That's not meant to go in the recycling.

-I know.

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The Spam tin is allowed in, but the Spam isn't.

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That's my little brother, not me.

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That's good, that's good.

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I mean, it's quite good recycling, apart from the food.

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This isn't all your waste. Where's your...?

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-Have you got more, then?

-In the back.

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-Do you want to come and look?

-Ah.

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Hang on. So what's in there, then?

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You don't want to open it, it's not recycled.

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Oh! Oh, my God!

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Doesn't smell good, Michelle. How long has that been there?

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-A couple of months.

-So they're refusing to take it, basically?

-Yeah.

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-So how will you get rid of that?

-I'll just leave it.

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Well, it's not just going to go away, Michelle, is it?

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Might do, one day.

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I think this could be a little unpleasant, but I'm determined to

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help Michelle get back on track with her recycling.

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That's one of the most revolting things I've seen for a long time,

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-but your shiny fork...

-I don't want it.

-Is it yours?

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Plastic bottles in there, general rubbish in there.

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Oh, I don't know why you're doing it.

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A lot of this is going in the recycling, which is quite satisfying.

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It's half tins of... Bleurgh!

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I think it's very, very ancient cat litter. Really strong ammonia smell.

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Let me look. Oh!

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Oh, my God!

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I'm going to be sick.

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Of course, it's easy to be rubbish at recycling.

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Walk away.

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But once you get started, it's surely not that hard to put different stuff

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in different bins.

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Oh, it smells good now. Look at that.

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What next, Michelle? Where do we go from here?

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I don't even know.

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-Come on.

-We start our recycle - that's where we go.

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-Yeah?

-Yeah, definitely.

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-I'll give it a good go.

-Great.

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I'll pop back in a few weeks' time

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and I'll be so glad if we don't have to do that again.

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'We went somewhere where people

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'should never have to go with their rubbish.

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'Literally one of the worst smells I've ever smelt.'

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Michelle doesn't want to go there again. I think now, you know,

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compared to that, recycling, it's a piece of cake, isn't it?

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When I first had a snoop in the bins round here,

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the thing that shocked me the most

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was the piles and piles of perfectly decent clothes.

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And it's a nationwide problem.

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We're binning over £150 million worth of clothes every year

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and they end up either being incinerated or buried in landfill.

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I should really give them to charity and stuff like that,

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but sometimes I don't really find the time, so I'd say my clothes

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are what I tend to waste a lot.

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I would definitely bin underwear, socks, pyjamas and stuff.

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-I threw out about three pairs of jeans the other day.

-Some holey jeans.

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I generally only throw away things

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that are not very good quality or really old.

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Clothes are cheaper than they've ever been

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and on average we own four times more garments than we did 30 years ago.

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About every two weeks, I go for a big shop.

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There's no need to buy as much as we buy, but...I like it.

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I don't, like, regret spending money. I just think,

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"Oh..." Like, I'm happy now that I've bought myself something.

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So, from the moment you walked into...Zara,

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you actually decided you were going to buy something?

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She picked a handful of stuff up. She went for it, didn't you?

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-It was on sale.

-What about you?

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Would you have found it hard not to buy something?

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Yeah, cos, like, when you get the money and you don't spend it, like,

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you go home pretty upset,

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thinking, "I've not done...I've not done my job."

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Clearly, a lot of people go clothes shopping these days

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not because they need new clothes, but because it makes them feel good.

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As you might have guessed, I'm a little out of touch

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with the culture of fast fashion.

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With those on, you must be taller than I am.

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Yeah, I'm quite tall with them on.

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-Becky, do you think Amelia buys too many clothes?

-Yeah, I do.

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It tends to be, she buys things and then they don't...

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She doesn't wear them again.

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I recently bought this.

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So what's the future for that particular garment?

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I might be able to wear this once at summer.

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-Once.

-Yeah.

-OK.

-But stripes might go out.

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They're in now, but next week or two weeks' time...

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might be all over for stripes?

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Yeah. Floral.

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'16-year-old Amelia goes clothes shopping with her

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'mates at least once a week, and I sense that's not remotely unusual.'

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How long can a favourite thing stay favourite before it has to

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just be recognised as no longer a thing?

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-Two weeks.

-So, that means, if you've had it for two weeks

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-and you've worn it a few times, it's old?

-Yeah.

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Guess how long this has been one of my favourite pairs of trousers?

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-How long?

-Oh, about ten years.

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Ten years?!

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Who's your fashion idol? Whose fashion style do you most admire?

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Zoella.

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Hello, everyone! It has been a long time since

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I have done a Primark haul...

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'I must admit that, until now,

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'I hadn't heard of Zoella and other the fashion vloggers

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-'like Tanya Burr...'

-Oh, should I, shouldn't I?

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'..and Patricia Bright.'

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I don't know, what colour would you call this?

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It's like a burnt orange, burnt orange.

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'..but they are some of the biggest stars in the online world.'

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She's got eight million subscribers.

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-Eight million?!

-Eight million.

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-And what do you think is good about her?

-You can relate to her.

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She doesn't buy all expensive clothes and everything -

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she buys clothes from high-street shops like Primark.

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This is £5. Bargainous.

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So, basically, she's just going through her shopping and talking about it?

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Yeah. A haul is where YouTubers just show you what they've bought.

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So, a haul means she's been shopping

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and she's showing you what she's bought.

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# I wish that I could be like the cool kids. #

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There's something very clever about the tone of these vlogs.

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It's like you are talking to your best friend.

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"I've been shopping, look what I bought!

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"And I've got this!

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"Ooh, I think this might look good with my jeans."

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Almost like they're offering to the viewer to try on, almost like saying,

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"You'd look great in that!"

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# I wish that I could be like the cool kids... #

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Vloggers like Zoella are part of a turbo-charged fashion industry

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that seems hellbent on persuading us to buy more than we need.

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And because the clothes are so cheap, we don't think twice about throwing

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them away to make room for more.

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I suspect that tackling the nation's addiction to fast fashion

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is probably beyond me,

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but I do want to make us

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think harder about what we do with the clothes we no longer want.

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There's actually seven tonnes of clothes here,

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10,000 separate garments, and I've been given permission to

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bring them here to one of the busiest shopping centres

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in the whole of the UK. Why? Well, because I think it's a good

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idea if people see what seven tonnes of discarded clothes looks like.

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I'm standing on a pile of seven tonnes of clothes,

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10,000 separate garments under my feet.

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But here's a question I have for you.

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How long do you think it takes the whole of Britain to throw away

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this many clothes?

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Seven tonnes, 10,000 garments.

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How long do you think it takes Britain

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to throw away that many clothes?

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-I'd say about two or three days.

-Two or three days?

-Yeah.

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I'd say a week.

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You think that's a week's worth of what Britain throws away?

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-Possibly half a day.

-Half a day?

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-A couple of hours.

-Within a few... A couple of hours?

-Yes.

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-How long do you think?

-Three hours.

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-You think a matter of hours.

-A few days.

-A few days.

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-Six hours.

-Six hours.

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You're getting close.

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The truth is, it takes Britain just ten minutes -

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ten minutes - to throw away seven tonnes of clothes.

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Just ten minutes.

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-You're lying.

-No, no, ten minutes.

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-Ten minutes, I'm afraid.

-Ten minutes is insane.

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When you can see it visually, it's more...more of a shock, I think.

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-I'm absolutely horrified.

-Are you?

-Yeah.

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Now, there is another way.

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As you'll see with all these clothes today, they don't need to be binned,

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they don't need to be thrown away for ever. They're perfectly wearable,

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perfectly usable, somebody somewhere surely would like them.

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So come and have a look and see what you think.

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I'm going to take down the barriers now. Come on in.

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What do you think of this big pile?

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-Shocking.

-It's pretty shocking, yeah.

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Charity shops will take anything and if they don't think they can sell it,

0:18:360:18:40

they'll move it on to someone who can use it in a different way.

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'So there's no excuse to bin any of our old clothes.

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Even if you think they've have had their day, they can still end up

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as a recycled mop head or stuffing for a car seat.

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When we throw this stuff away,

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we throw away all the work that's gone into them and all the resources,

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the water, the oil, the energy, the machines, the human labour.

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That all goes in the bin, too.

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Chucking away clothes at our current rate is clearly

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an environmental disaster,

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but throwing away a third of all the food we produce...

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well, that's simply immoral.

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Yet around 20% of the crops grown in Britain never get eaten

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because our supermarkets don't think we'll buy their produce

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unless it looks absolutely perfect.

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Well, there is a very happy-looking carrot. I must be in the right place.

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Poskitt's is one of the UK's most successful farms.

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With an annual turnover of over £30 million,

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they supply around 10% of all the carrots eaten in Britain.

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-So this is a big artic load just come in?

-Yeah.

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-How many of those would arrive in a day?

-About ten. Ten or 12.

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-Ten or 12 a day?

-Yes.

-Blimey!

-Christmas, week 20.

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That is a staggering amount of carrots!

0:20:080:20:11

-So ten of these is how many tonnes of carrots?

-About 290 tonnes today.

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I've never seen so many carrots in my life!

0:20:160:20:18

Can I see where they're ending up?

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Yeah, we're going to the pack house now.

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All our supermarkets apply cosmetic standards to their produce -

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guidelines that define exactly what's acceptable.

0:20:280:20:32

Guy Poskitt has invested a small fortune in machinery that slices,

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dices and grates the less-than-perfect carrots

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into other product ranges,

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but he's still losing 3,000 tonnes of perfectly edible carrots

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every year to cosmetic standards.

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This is all the waste that's coming out of the pack house today.

0:20:530:20:56

That's just from today? The beginning of the day, this was...

0:20:560:20:59

-That's today's waste.

-..there was nothing here? No!

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Normally, in the winter time, we can sell this for animal feed,

0:21:010:21:04

but now the sun's shining and all the cows are out in the fields,

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we'll have to dump it.

0:21:070:21:09

It's the relentlessness of that conveyor belt, just dropping

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perfectly good carrots onto a pile, knowing that they're now rubbish.

0:21:130:21:18

-What's wrong with those?

-Nothing.

-We've grown that.

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We've worked hard to produce that

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and now we're going to throw it away.

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-How do you feel about that?

-Immoral.

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Yeah.

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It's insane, isn't it?

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If farmers like Guy weren't forced to waste

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so much of the good food they're producing, they could grow

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a bit less with fewer resources and maybe even charge us less, too.

0:21:410:21:46

And, of course, his slightly curvy carrot

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tastes just as good as the straight ones.

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These are what you call minor defects.

0:21:520:21:54

That's got some splitting in it. That's quite misshaped.

0:21:540:21:56

Probably, you'd get away with that one, to be honest.

0:21:560:21:59

That's some scab but that'd easily peel off, you know.

0:21:590:22:01

-Couple of strokes with a peeler and it's gone.

-That one's too long.

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Is that really a problem to somebody?

0:22:050:22:07

Why couldn't you just do that and put both halves in the bag?

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Because it'd be classed as broken then, so they're defects.

0:22:110:22:13

I know, but they're both fine, aren't they?

0:22:130:22:15

The reality is, people will naturally pick out the prettier

0:22:150:22:18

ones first and you'll be left with a tray full of those in the bottom.

0:22:180:22:21

But do you think that supermarkets would never talk to each other

0:22:210:22:25

and say, "Look, there's a lot of food going to waste

0:22:250:22:28

"because we all have these very rigorous cosmetic standards, but if

0:22:280:22:32

"we all decided to relax them a bit, we could stop wasting a lot of food?"

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Is that the kind of conversation you could imagine

0:22:370:22:40

-happening in the world of retailers?

-No!

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-You just can't see that happening?

-Retailers work very...

0:22:430:22:45

-They're very, very competitive against each other.

-And secretive?

0:22:450:22:48

Yeah. Quite rightly so. They're big, big, powerful businesses

0:22:480:22:51

and they want to attract the consumers through their door.

0:22:510:22:54

Consumers will tell them that they don't really like that

0:22:540:22:56

and they only really like that, you know. It's fact.

0:22:560:22:59

You must not blame the retailers. It's customer-driven, this.

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When you get to the last ten carrots in the tray,

0:23:020:23:04

it'll be 100% of these defects.

0:23:040:23:06

Well, maybe I'm peculiar,

0:23:060:23:08

but I actually find it quite reassuring to have a slightly

0:23:080:23:11

curved carrot cos it just reminds me that this

0:23:110:23:13

is a natural product and it grows in the earth.

0:23:130:23:16

Guy shares the supermarkets' view that shoppers are reluctant to

0:23:170:23:21

buy less-than-perfect carrots.

0:23:210:23:24

But how can we buy them if they don't put them on the shelves?

0:23:240:23:28

And while Guy's huge farming operation,

0:23:280:23:31

with its diverse products,

0:23:310:23:32

can clearly withstand the cost of cosmetic standards,

0:23:320:23:36

being forced to throw their crops away is driving smaller

0:23:360:23:39

farmers to the brink of despair.

0:23:390:23:41

I've been filming with the Hammond family in Norfolk,

0:23:430:23:46

who've been supplying parsnips to Morrisons since the 1980s.

0:23:460:23:50

I'm heading back to the Hammonds at Tattersett Farm

0:23:520:23:55

and today is a really tough day for them.

0:23:550:23:57

After 30 years, they're lifting their last crop ever.

0:23:580:24:04

They've had enough.

0:24:040:24:05

They've had no help from Morrisons and they just don't think

0:24:050:24:09

they can make it work any more, and so they're getting out,

0:24:090:24:12

which is just so sad.

0:24:120:24:15

30 years in farming comes to an end today.

0:24:150:24:17

Kevin and Debs and their two sons, Olly and SJ,

0:24:190:24:23

are packing their last ever harvest.

0:24:230:24:25

-Hello, Debs.

-Hello, Hugh.

0:24:250:24:28

-How are you doing?

-Very well, thank you, very well. You?

-I'm all right.

0:24:280:24:31

-Hello. Nice to see you again.

-Hi, Kev. All right, Olly? SJ?

0:24:310:24:36

How does it feel to be bagging up your last ever crop of parsnips?

0:24:380:24:42

-It's a difficult day.

-Yeah.

0:24:440:24:47

After 30-odd years supplying the supermarkets, and as this

0:24:470:24:50

third generation working in the job, it's now coming to an end today.

0:24:500:24:54

Have you told Morrisons that you're no longer in the business

0:24:550:24:59

-of growing parsnips?

-Yes, we have, yeah.

0:24:590:25:01

We've sent emails to people I've dealt with at Morrisons for

0:25:010:25:04

over 20 years and we've never heard anything from them since that day.

0:25:040:25:07

Did you feel you had any alternative

0:25:070:25:09

at all, other than closing the business?

0:25:090:25:11

No. No, I don't.

0:25:110:25:14

It's all driven by supermarkets.

0:25:140:25:15

We was going to lose a lot of money if we continued growing,

0:25:150:25:18

there's no question about that.

0:25:180:25:20

Why would I want to leave my boys in debt, you know?

0:25:200:25:22

If something happened to me and Deb...

0:25:220:25:24

Debs, what's today like for you?

0:25:240:25:26

Tough.

0:25:260:25:27

I don't know what to say, Debs, but...

0:25:300:25:32

I don't know what to say, Hugh, really, but...

0:25:320:25:35

you know, other than we've shown

0:25:350:25:36

so much commitment over the years

0:25:360:25:40

and been loyal, hardworking,

0:25:400:25:43

honest...and actually they don't give a damn.

0:25:430:25:47

You know, it's a tough day.

0:25:470:25:50

When I contacted Morrisons after my first visit,

0:25:500:25:53

they seemed very upbeat about the possibility of a filmed

0:25:530:25:57

interview at the farm to talk about waste caused by

0:25:570:26:00

cosmetic standards,

0:26:000:26:01

but Kev was getting a very different message from them.

0:26:010:26:05

Their head guys said to you that they would like to do something

0:26:050:26:08

but the conversation I had was, "Kevin, you need to bury it."

0:26:080:26:11

Bury what?

0:26:110:26:13

"Bury the TV interview, the camera work, the whole show,

0:26:130:26:15

"because we're not coming.

0:26:150:26:17

-"We've said we were but we're not coming."

-Yeah.

0:26:170:26:20

-I need to be really clear about this because they've got big fat lawyers.

-Oh, yes.

0:26:200:26:24

So is that the phrase they actually used?

0:26:240:26:26

The actual phrase. "Can you bury this for us? We want it buried."

0:26:260:26:29

-Why do you think...?

-Because they're not in touch any more.

0:26:290:26:32

They're not in touch. They say on their website that they work

0:26:320:26:35

so closely with their suppliers, etc, etc, but they don't.

0:26:350:26:40

The buyer who buys from us didn't even know where we were on the map.

0:26:400:26:43

Didn't even know where Norfolk was,

0:26:430:26:45

didn't even know where East Anglia was.

0:26:450:26:47

Morrisons deny they put pressure on the Hammonds and say they

0:26:470:26:52

offered to help but, according to Kevin, their interest came far too late.

0:26:520:26:55

And they're not the only ones having trouble with supermarkets.

0:26:550:26:59

Right now, nearly half of British farms are losing money.

0:26:590:27:04

Seems to me it needs a big change of attitude from the supermarkets.

0:27:040:27:08

But the British public have to do their bit too, don't they?

0:27:080:27:11

They have two step up and say, "We get it.

0:27:110:27:13

"We get there's a problem and we understand that this is

0:27:130:27:16

"perfectly good produce. And if it's got a little spot over here

0:27:160:27:19

"or a slight bruise over there, that's all right with us.

0:27:190:27:23

"Bring it on, we'll eat it, we'll use it, it's good stuff'."

0:27:230:27:26

These parsnips cost as much to grow as one that's perfectly good.

0:27:260:27:30

Why do we just throw it away? It's madness.

0:27:300:27:33

Everybody's got to get back to basics.

0:27:330:27:35

We're not going to continue doing this

0:27:350:27:37

and be part of the destruction of English farming.

0:27:370:27:41

I'm sorry, Kev, and I hope we can start something with

0:27:430:27:47

the British public that will make a difference...

0:27:470:27:50

Yes, get behind us.

0:27:500:27:51

-..for you and for what you've done for the last 30 years.

-Yeah.

0:27:510:27:54

Thank you so much for letting us in.

0:27:540:27:56

It's too late for Tattersett Farm,

0:28:000:28:02

but maybe it's not too late to demand that all our supermarkets

0:28:020:28:07

treat their producers fairly, so they have a viable future.

0:28:070:28:12

It's all I've ever done.

0:28:120:28:14

It's all I ever wanted to do when I left school.

0:28:140:28:16

I haven't done nothing wrong.

0:28:220:28:24

There's something about the culture of the supermarkets

0:28:300:28:34

and the way they do business with their suppliers

0:28:340:28:36

that seems to me fundamentally wrong.

0:28:360:28:40

I mean, in the end, who do we need more,

0:28:400:28:43

the people who grow our food or the people who sell it to us?

0:28:430:28:46

Who matters the most, actually?

0:28:460:28:48

I think it's the people who grow us our food and I think we should stick up for them,

0:28:480:28:53

and if that means going and standing up to the people who sell it

0:28:530:28:56

to us, and challenging the way they do it, well, I'm ready for that now.

0:28:560:29:01

I'm spoiling for a fight now. I'm... I don't know, I'm fuming.

0:29:010:29:05

And it looks like I will get a chance to put my case to Morrisons

0:29:070:29:10

because they have, finally, agreed to meet.

0:29:100:29:14

Not only that, they want to run a trial

0:29:140:29:16

selling cosmetically impaired produce in one of their stores.

0:29:160:29:20

Their PR chief, Julian Bailey, explains how it's going to work.

0:29:200:29:25

The reason we've chosen courgettes is because they're in season now.

0:29:250:29:28

What we really want to do is to actually test

0:29:280:29:31

whether, given the choice, customers will actually pick up

0:29:310:29:34

the ones that are, if you like,

0:29:340:29:36

the prettier courgettes or the ones that are more oddly shaped.

0:29:360:29:39

What we probably suspect is customers will actually

0:29:390:29:43

reach out more naturally for the prettier-looking vegetable,

0:29:430:29:47

but we don't know that, and I think that we're prepared to

0:29:470:29:50

test it, and see whether, actually, customers really mind that much.

0:29:500:29:55

It looks like a modest sort of trial to me, but it's a start,

0:29:550:29:59

and it means I will get a chance to meet with Julian

0:29:590:30:02

in a few weeks to discuss cosmetic guidelines

0:30:020:30:05

and put the case for struggling farmers. When I do, I want to

0:30:050:30:10

be armed with all the evidence I can muster to make the case for change.

0:30:100:30:14

So I've been talking to Tristram Stuart, who's been investigating

0:30:150:30:19

the hidden world of supermarket waste for over six years.

0:30:190:30:23

Every farmer we speak to is

0:30:230:30:25

resentful of the waste that they experience.

0:30:250:30:28

They grow the food throughout the year and then they see it

0:30:280:30:30

rot in their fields. But they can't do anything about it because,

0:30:300:30:34

if they complain against the supermarkets,

0:30:340:30:36

they risk losing their business.

0:30:360:30:38

A supermarket can easily just say,

0:30:380:30:41

"Right, fine, we'll go to another farmer."

0:30:410:30:44

What has to change now?

0:30:440:30:46

Cosmetic standards is one, and it's massive.

0:30:460:30:48

The other is last-minute order cancellations.

0:30:480:30:52

Farmers routinely tell us that, right at the last minute,

0:30:520:30:55

they get an email or a call saying, "We don't want it after all."

0:30:550:30:58

The entire cost of that waste lands on the farmer.

0:30:580:31:01

Olly and Debs at Tattersett Farm, who are growing the parsnips,

0:31:020:31:06

have also had a problem with order cancellations.

0:31:060:31:09

When they said that, I said,

0:31:090:31:10

"Well, I assume you at least get paid for that." No.

0:31:100:31:12

The point is, for a supermarket to routinely cancel orders

0:31:120:31:16

at the last minute is a breach of the law.

0:31:160:31:19

The problem is getting proof that the supermarket caused those

0:31:190:31:24

order cancellations, because most farmers are far too

0:31:240:31:28

scared of the supermarkets to speak out.

0:31:280:31:32

One of the objectives of my organisation is to find that

0:31:320:31:36

smoking gun and getting a good whistle-blower to really blow

0:31:360:31:40

the lid on supermarket practices is exactly what we need.

0:31:400:31:44

Although cancelling orders is not a criminal offence,

0:31:440:31:47

supermarkets can be fined millions under civil law

0:31:470:31:50

if they behave unfairly to their suppliers.

0:31:500:31:54

But, so far, no supermarkets have been penalised.

0:31:540:31:56

One of the problems seems to be that farmers just won't come forward.

0:31:580:32:01

While they still have a contract with the supermarket,

0:32:010:32:04

they don't want to stand up

0:32:040:32:05

and challenge that supermarket about the way they're treating them.

0:32:050:32:10

Well, the Hammonds at Tattersett Farm, after 30 years of business

0:32:100:32:14

with Morrisons, are no longer in business.

0:32:140:32:17

They've got nothing left to lose.

0:32:170:32:20

If Kevin and Debs have evidence that Morrisons changed their orders

0:32:200:32:24

unfairly at short notice, that could be the catalyst that

0:32:240:32:27

transforms how supermarkets do business with their suppliers.

0:32:270:32:31

This would be like the original order.

0:32:310:32:34

-6.25.

-6.25pm.

0:32:340:32:35

-440 trays, yep.

-That's a lot of parsnips.

0:32:350:32:38

Yep, and then the following morning, at 7.40...

0:32:380:32:42

-You've already lifted the crop.

-Yeah.

0:32:420:32:44

-440 goes down to 300.

-Yeah.

0:32:440:32:47

-That's over 1,000 kilos.

-Yes. They have to then be tipped out.

0:32:470:32:50

-They go on that big pile I saw when I first came in.

-I'm afraid so, yes.

0:32:500:32:54

Every one of these is an example of a cancelled order.

0:32:540:32:57

There's over 100 to our detriment.

0:32:570:33:01

These amended orders represent not only tonnes of parsnips

0:33:010:33:05

wasted on the farm,

0:33:050:33:08

but thousands of pounds worth of lost income for the Hammonds.

0:33:080:33:11

It's like a red rag to a bull. I mean, you know,

0:33:120:33:15

I found myself getting worked up throughout the morning,

0:33:150:33:18

and I was glad we came away and you've come down here

0:33:180:33:20

because I don't think I could face going to the office any more.

0:33:200:33:24

But I think the consumer needs to know what's happening to

0:33:240:33:27

family businesses supplying any of the supermarkets.

0:33:270:33:30

Well, I think the public would like to know

0:33:300:33:32

and I think Morrisons have certainly got a case to answer.

0:33:320:33:36

'It's just over a week till my showdown with Morrisons

0:33:380:33:41

'and I'm hoping the Hammonds' story will show all the supermarkets

0:33:410:33:46

'the human cost of wasting food on British farms.'

0:33:460:33:50

Dealing with the big corporations has been frustrating.

0:33:530:33:57

But when I speak to people on Gardner Road in Prestwich

0:33:570:34:00

about food waste, they get it straight away.

0:34:000:34:03

Even the kids understand we shouldn't be chucking good food in the bin.

0:34:030:34:08

Ah, the gang is here. What have you got?

0:34:080:34:10

More bananas, strawberries, brilliant. Grapes.

0:34:100:34:14

We're going to take the fruit that your mums and dads

0:34:140:34:16

were about to throw away, and the yoghurts that are nearly out of date,

0:34:160:34:20

and we're going to make them into yummy lollies. Who's up for that?

0:34:200:34:24

Well, it's very polite of you to put your hands up,

0:34:240:34:26

but you are allowed to talk in this kitchen. Who's up for that?

0:34:260:34:29

-ALL:

-Me!

0:34:290:34:31

Fantastic. OK, let's get going.

0:34:310:34:33

We are going to do a juicy lolly, so like a really fruity one,

0:34:330:34:36

and then we're going to make some creamy lollies.

0:34:360:34:39

-Who wants to tuck into these grapes?

-Yeah.

0:34:390:34:41

And I can see there are quite a lot of brown ones.

0:34:410:34:44

-Are you happy you've got all the good ones?

-Yeah.

0:34:440:34:47

Let's put these raspberries and blueberries in.

0:34:470:34:49

They're a bit squishy. I want all the juice coming out.

0:34:490:34:52

Tired old fruit that's a little bruised or wrinkled is

0:34:540:34:57

perfect for making lollies.

0:34:570:34:58

Urgh, it's horrible.

0:34:580:35:00

It's going to be delicious, though. That is some lovely juice.

0:35:010:35:05

Pour those yoghurts in. Good job, guys, good job.

0:35:050:35:08

Into the freezer with the lollies.

0:35:090:35:11

Who's sticking around for the clearing up?

0:35:110:35:13

-ALL:

-Not me, bye!

0:35:130:35:16

Even the local sceptics

0:35:220:35:24

have been persuaded to bin their rubbish habits.

0:35:240:35:27

Plastic bottles, food, tin cans, lots of paper, tea bags.

0:35:270:35:31

They're not lonely, they're all together.

0:35:310:35:33

It's easy, one bag, in the bin, done.

0:35:330:35:36

And Kelly's been my shining example.

0:35:360:35:39

But just to be sure she's mended her ways,

0:35:390:35:41

I've installed a hidden camera at the cafe where she works.

0:35:410:35:44

What brings you to these neck of the woods?

0:35:440:35:46

I'd like a quick word. May I borrow Kelly for a second, Carol?

0:35:460:35:49

-Of course you can.

-Who's that?

0:35:490:35:51

-That's me.

-You are at least working.

0:35:510:35:54

-Dancing.

-Sorry!

0:35:540:35:59

I'm sure you are. Can't believe you filmed me secretly.

0:35:590:36:03

This is good though... Oh.

0:36:050:36:08

-Paper, did you see it?

-I did.

-Watch, watch, watch.

0:36:080:36:12

-Food in the food, paper in the paper.

-Wait, wait for it.

0:36:120:36:17

-How do you know what's coming up? You're that confident.

-I've done it.

0:36:170:36:21

-You're that confident you've been good?

-Yep.

0:36:210:36:25

Drinks tin, emptying it out. Where's it going to go?

0:36:250:36:30

Oh!

0:36:300:36:32

-Nearly.

-But I didn't.

0:36:320:36:34

-I'm impressed with myself.

-I'm incredibly impressed.

0:36:360:36:40

I need a bigger food bin now.

0:36:400:36:42

I think you do, since all the food is actually going in it.

0:36:420:36:45

-Yeah, yeah.

-But how hard has it been, really?

0:36:450:36:47

It's not. It's not that hard, to be fair.

0:36:470:36:49

It doesn't even make a difference to your day at all. Done it.

0:36:490:36:54

I'm confident that the Gardner Road gang are well on the way to

0:36:560:36:59

transforming how they deal with their waste.

0:36:590:37:02

And the supermarkets

0:37:020:37:03

seem to be claiming they've got their waste sorted too,

0:37:030:37:07

yet I've been finding perfectly good food in their bins

0:37:070:37:10

and seeing tonnes of their vegetables getting

0:37:100:37:13

wasted on our farms.

0:37:130:37:15

So how can they be claiming one thing on their websites,

0:37:150:37:17

when clearly something else is happening in the real world?

0:37:170:37:21

Part of the answer is a process called anaerobic digestion,

0:37:210:37:25

happening at plants like this one outside Birmingham.

0:37:250:37:28

It's one of over 140 similar sites now operating across the country.

0:37:290:37:34

The lorry that came in is going to dump into this pit here?

0:37:350:37:38

Yeah, the door will open, he will back up

0:37:380:37:40

and he will offload straight into the bin.

0:37:400:37:42

And the waste that is already in here,

0:37:420:37:44

that was delivered earlier today?

0:37:440:37:46

-Yeah, it has been arriving since 7am.

-Here comes the next lot.

0:37:460:37:50

That looks like a lot of bread and buns.

0:37:500:37:52

Yeah, this is one of our typical bakery loads.

0:37:520:37:55

And so that's probably a week's worth of bakery waste?

0:37:550:37:58

-Probably about a day's worth.

-Blimey.

0:37:580:38:01

AD is a clever process that converts food into gasses that can

0:38:020:38:06

then be burnt to make electricity.

0:38:060:38:08

That's a lot of bread.

0:38:100:38:12

And because it's recovering energy, it's the right thing to do

0:38:120:38:15

with wasted food that really can't be eaten.

0:38:150:38:17

This is a much bigger truck than the last one, Chris.

0:38:170:38:21

Yeah, this is one of our bulk deliveries.

0:38:210:38:23

And where has this come from?

0:38:230:38:24

This has come from a national retailer from a distribution centre.

0:38:240:38:27

-Category three material - not for human consumption.

-That's right.

0:38:270:38:30

-So when you say a retailer, this is a supermarket.

-Correct, yeah.

0:38:300:38:34

'I was only allowed to film here on condition that I didn't say

0:38:340:38:38

'which companies are using this facility.

0:38:380:38:41

'And that seems a bit ironic,

0:38:410:38:43

'when most supermarkets are actually boasting on their websites

0:38:430:38:47

'about using AD. So, what are they trying to hide here?'

0:38:470:38:51

Is all the food unfit for human consumption?

0:38:510:38:54

Not all the food is, no.

0:38:540:38:56

So some of the food that's coming here might just be surplus stock?

0:38:560:39:00

-Or out of date.

-Or out of date.

0:39:000:39:03

'So at least some of the surplus food

0:39:030:39:05

'coming here is fit for human consumption

0:39:050:39:08

'and I challenge all the supermarkets to tell us why that's happening.

0:39:080:39:12

'Surely it's madness to feed power stations with food

0:39:120:39:16

'that could still be used to feed people?

0:39:160:39:18

'Fortunately, there are organisations

0:39:210:39:24

'dedicated to intercepting in-date surplus stock

0:39:240:39:27

'that would otherwise end up in AD.

0:39:270:39:31

'Lindsay Boswell is the CEO of a charity called FareShare.'

0:39:310:39:35

I'm looking at boxes of cereal, fizzy drinks, jars of jam,

0:39:350:39:40

all sorts of everyday items, but why have they ended up with you?

0:39:400:39:43

Why aren't they in the supermarket?

0:39:430:39:45

So it will be a mix of reasons.

0:39:450:39:47

The biggest crime in the food industry

0:39:470:39:49

is to not be able to meet demand

0:39:490:39:52

and that starts when you and I walk into a supermarket.

0:39:520:39:54

If the shelf is bare, we'll go to their rival.

0:39:540:39:57

You're talking about the entire industry

0:39:570:40:00

really being one of deliberate over-supply

0:40:000:40:02

because under-supply is a crime that they're not prepared to consider.

0:40:020:40:06

'As long as overproduction

0:40:060:40:08

'is the cornerstone of the supermarket business model,

0:40:080:40:11

'there will always be perfectly good food going spare,

0:40:110:40:15

'sometimes for the most ridiculous reasons.'

0:40:150:40:18

This must have a very, very long shelf life.

0:40:190:40:21

Why would they have any problem selling this?

0:40:210:40:23

Let's get one out. Let's have a look.

0:40:230:40:25

Right, do you recognise that branding?

0:40:250:40:27

Something about it looks a bit odd. It doesn't look quite right.

0:40:270:40:30

What we've been told is, this is the wrong shade of grey,

0:40:300:40:32

so whether the machinery is getting to the end of its print run

0:40:320:40:37

or somebody's just made a miscalculation.

0:40:370:40:39

That's really bizarre.

0:40:390:40:41

This is one of our big chillers, Hugh,

0:40:440:40:46

and there's some folk in here who are picking and sorting food.

0:40:460:40:51

Hi, there. How long have you been in here?

0:40:510:40:53

I've been here for about six months now, but...

0:40:530:40:55

-Not in the fridge?!

-No, not in the fridge.

0:40:550:40:57

We've only just come in to start on these orders.

0:40:570:41:00

You're looking chilly already.

0:41:000:41:01

So this is a lot of the meat-type products.

0:41:010:41:03

They've got a lot of hamburgers here, Hugh.

0:41:030:41:05

Amazing-looking steaks from Tesco's here, lamb.

0:41:050:41:08

-Yeah. They do look good.

-Some joints of beef.

0:41:080:41:11

Some good-quality meat here.

0:41:110:41:13

'It's brilliant that so much food is being rescued by FareShare,

0:41:130:41:17

'but it's only a tiny fraction of our national surplus -

0:41:170:41:20

'the rest is being secretly destroyed.'

0:41:200:41:23

Do you have any idea how much of the waste problem you're solving

0:41:230:41:29

by distributing that food?

0:41:290:41:30

Yeah, and I'm really pleased you asked.

0:41:300:41:32

This is the shocking bit.

0:41:320:41:34

Although we're providing 150,000 meals a week,

0:41:340:41:37

although we saved nearly 2,000 charities £20 million,

0:41:370:41:42

that is only 2% of the surplus, in date, fit for selling,

0:41:420:41:48

fit for retail, fit for consuming food in the UK.

0:41:480:41:53

And our real message to the food industry is,

0:41:530:41:55

we want to go from 2% to 25%.

0:41:550:41:58

So, what do you need to happen to get to your 25%??

0:41:580:42:00

We know the volunteers are there, cos people hate waste.

0:42:000:42:03

We've got the infrastructure.

0:42:030:42:05

What we really need is more food to be able to supply to more charities.

0:42:050:42:08

'To see the difference that projects like this are making,

0:42:080:42:12

'I'm hitching a ride on one of their delivery vans.'

0:42:120:42:14

There's a lot of people that are struggling out there, you know,

0:42:140:42:19

and they rely on this food and they rely on the likes of FareShare.

0:42:190:42:23

We just need it to go bigger and bigger now.

0:42:230:42:26

And what has to happen to make that?

0:42:260:42:29

The supermarkets have got to get more food into us.

0:42:290:42:33

Let us get it out to the community groups

0:42:330:42:35

and they love it when we deliver it to them.

0:42:350:42:37

"Oh, what have we got today, son?

0:42:370:42:39

"What have we got for tomorrow's dinner? What's for pudding?"

0:42:390:42:43

They really love it.

0:42:430:42:45

This is the daily delivery to The Unity,

0:42:450:42:49

an after-school club in Toxteth, Liverpool,

0:42:490:42:51

where, every evening, 40 or so local kids come by

0:42:510:42:54

to have a free tea cooked by Craig.

0:42:540:42:57

A lot of the kids come in straight from school,

0:42:570:42:59

so they wouldn't have ate from 12 in the afternoon

0:42:590:43:01

and they might not be going home to a home cooked hot meal.

0:43:010:43:04

So, for quite a few of them,

0:43:040:43:05

this is going to be the most nutritious meal they get?

0:43:050:43:07

This is going to be the biggest meal they have,

0:43:070:43:09

so I'm making sure they have something wholesome.

0:43:090:43:11

So you've got the stick blender out. Why is that?

0:43:110:43:14

We're going to try and fool the kids into thinking

0:43:140:43:16

there's not as much vegetables in as there actually is.

0:43:160:43:18

Ah, so you blitz it and they can't see the veg,

0:43:180:43:20

and they think it's just a lovely sauce?

0:43:200:43:22

Hey, hungry people!

0:43:260:43:29

'If FareShare could get their hands

0:43:290:43:31

'on just a quarter of all the surplus food in this country,

0:43:310:43:34

'they could provide over a million free meals every day.'

0:43:340:43:38

Did you like the pasta, did you?

0:43:400:43:42

You're having a pasta and sauce sandwich. How's that?

0:43:420:43:46

It's like a party in my mouth.

0:43:460:43:48

Like a party in your mouth? Brilliant!

0:43:480:43:51

-So, you all like Craig's food?

-Yeah!

0:43:510:43:54

Very gratifying. It's all gone.

0:43:550:44:00

It's been really good to see a positive side

0:44:000:44:02

to the waste story today.

0:44:020:44:04

Seeing FareShare actually reducing the amount of food

0:44:040:44:07

that's going to waste by doing something really useful with it,

0:44:070:44:10

and then coming here at the end of the day and seeing a bunch of kids

0:44:100:44:14

getting a fantastic meal from food that would otherwise be thrown away,

0:44:140:44:20

well, it makes you realise that all the retailers

0:44:200:44:22

and all their suppliers really have to commit

0:44:220:44:25

to an incredibly important principle,

0:44:250:44:27

which is that food that CAN be eaten by human beings

0:44:270:44:30

SHOULD be eaten by human beings.

0:44:300:44:32

Here goes! "Dear Tesco, I am issuing a challenge

0:44:350:44:39

"to all our major food retailers in the way they deal with their waste.

0:44:390:44:43

"Dear M&S, will you commit to only sending food to AD

0:44:430:44:49

"that is not for human consumption?

0:44:490:44:51

"Dear Morrisons...

0:44:510:44:52

"Dear Waitrose... "Dear Sainsbury's...

0:44:520:44:56

"If a product has your name on it,

0:44:560:44:57

"then I am holding you responsible for its final destination."

0:44:570:45:00

'There's no reason why all our supermarkets

0:45:000:45:03

'couldn't rapidly double the amount they are giving away

0:45:030:45:06

'and I'm going to be on their case to see which of them delivers.'

0:45:060:45:10

Back in Prestwich, it's bin day and not just any bin day.

0:45:130:45:17

It's the one that tells me whether these lovely people

0:45:170:45:20

have really started a rubbish revolution

0:45:200:45:23

over the last nine weeks.

0:45:230:45:25

And there's one bin I'm dying to check up on personally.

0:45:250:45:29

So I'm just round the back of Michelle's house where,

0:45:300:45:33

a few weeks ago, I cleaned out the most disgusting bin

0:45:330:45:36

I've ever seen in my life.

0:45:360:45:38

'The deal was that, because I helped her clean that bin out,

0:45:380:45:42

'she was going to be really good

0:45:420:45:44

'about organising her rubbish and doing her recycling.'

0:45:440:45:46

Hi, Michelle, any chance of a quick word?

0:45:460:45:50

Do you want to come in or...?

0:45:500:45:52

I'd love to come in in a minute,

0:45:520:45:54

but what I'm really interested in is how you're getting on with your bins.

0:45:540:45:58

Have a look.

0:45:580:45:59

Oh, come on, that's too good to be true.

0:45:590:46:02

That's the cleanest recycling I've ever seen.

0:46:020:46:04

It's brilliant, ain't it?

0:46:040:46:05

-Have you found it hard?

-No, not at all.

0:46:050:46:08

So how nice is it not to have that really filthy, stinky,

0:46:080:46:11

-cat litter, takeaway bin outside?

-Brilliant.

0:46:110:46:14

Best recycling I've seen for years.

0:46:140:46:16

-Well done.

-Thank you.

-Nice to see you.

-You too.

0:46:160:46:19

-Take care.

-See you later.

0:46:190:46:20

-I promise not to snoop any more.

-Yeah, please don't!

0:46:200:46:25

'Michelle has given me hope that the whole Gardner Road gang

0:46:250:46:28

'has indeed been waging a war on waste.

0:46:280:46:31

'All will be revealed at the end-of-the-street party

0:46:310:46:34

'I'm throwing this afternoon.

0:46:340:46:36

'I'm catering for a couple of hundred

0:46:360:46:39

'and what they don't know is that all this food

0:46:390:46:42

'would otherwise have been wasted.

0:46:420:46:44

'Sam and Catie spent last night skip diving their way

0:46:440:46:48

'from Bristol to Prestwich...and this is their haul.'

0:46:480:46:51

Sorry about the queue,

0:46:560:46:58

but the food is delicious when you get there.

0:46:580:47:01

'Amelia is here and stripes are still in - just -

0:47:010:47:05

'and Kelly has volunteered to run the cake stall.'

0:47:050:47:10

How is this chocolate and banana cake going down?

0:47:100:47:12

Really, really well.

0:47:120:47:14

-Excellent. Have you tried a bit?

-Yeah.

0:47:140:47:16

Do you know where the Ferrero Rochers and bananas came from?

0:47:160:47:18

The Ferrero Rochers came from a bin outside the Tesco.

0:47:180:47:21

Are you being serious?

0:47:210:47:23

And the bananas came from a bin outside Waitrose.

0:47:230:47:25

-Was it out of date?

-The Ferrero Rochers

0:47:250:47:28

-were a couple of weeks out of date.

-You've set me up again!

0:47:280:47:31

-It's only chocolate.

-Well, it tastes extremely nice. It does.

0:47:310:47:35

-Hey, how's it going?

-Really good.

-You having fun?

-Lots of fun.

0:47:380:47:42

'Our Wastenot lollies are going down well

0:47:420:47:45

'and the party is in full swing,

0:47:450:47:47

'complete with recycled bunting and decorations,

0:47:470:47:51

'and a very active clothes exchange stall, which is great to see!

0:47:510:47:56

'But what everyone, including me, wants to know is,

0:47:570:48:00

'have the residents of Gardner Road

0:48:000:48:03

'managed to radically improve their recycling?

0:48:030:48:06

'Denise and her team at the local refuse centre

0:48:060:48:09

'have just finished sorting through their bins.'

0:48:090:48:12

-Hello again, ladies and gentlemen!

-Hello!

0:48:120:48:16

Two months ago, with the local waste collectors,

0:48:160:48:20

I collected many of your bins.

0:48:200:48:22

Denise took a good look at your rubbish then and made an assessment

0:48:220:48:27

of just how much of the wrong stuff was ending up in your waste bin.

0:48:270:48:31

We made another collection

0:48:310:48:33

and she's come here with some information that even I do not know,

0:48:330:48:37

so I would like to ask Denise up on the stage to tell us

0:48:370:48:41

a little bit about what she has found out.

0:48:410:48:44

I have to ask you, first of all, did you see a difference?

0:48:440:48:46

-Yes.

-CHEERING

0:48:460:48:49

That sounds like good news.

0:48:490:48:52

There were hardly any clothes, very, very little paper.

0:48:520:48:56

It was amazing. I have to say I am incredibly impressed.

0:48:560:48:59

Well done, Prestwich.

0:48:590:49:01

And, in just two months, the Gardner Road neighbourhood

0:49:030:49:06

have nearly doubled the amount of glass, tins

0:49:060:49:09

and plastic they're recycling too.

0:49:090:49:11

Is that right? 40%-70%?

0:49:110:49:14

I'd like to think that it would carry on

0:49:140:49:16

-being at that level.

-Yeah, it will do.

0:49:160:49:18

That puts them in the top 1% of all recyclers in Europe.

0:49:180:49:23

It's something which has kind of spurred us on, if you like,

0:49:230:49:28

to have less waste.

0:49:280:49:29

Are you going to stick with it?

0:49:290:49:31

-ALL:

-Yes!

0:49:310:49:33

Thank you, Prestwich!

0:49:330:49:35

'And if they continue to reduce the amount of food they're binning,

0:49:360:49:40

'they'll be saving hundreds of pounds a year.'

0:49:400:49:43

Hopefully I will have saved a little bit with not wasting as much.

0:49:440:49:48

-But I still think you go shopping too much though.

-Oh, shut up!

0:49:480:49:52

Here in Prestwich, we've mobilised a small community

0:49:520:49:57

to really care about waste

0:49:570:49:58

and it's not the easiest subject in the world to care about.

0:49:580:50:02

But now, to this group of people,

0:50:020:50:04

it really matters and, of course, it needs to matter to everybody,

0:50:040:50:08

right throughout the UK. So now it's time to ramp it up,

0:50:080:50:11

take it up to another level.

0:50:110:50:13

'So I'm launching the Wastenot website nationwide.

0:50:130:50:17

'It's full of money-saving and waste-saving tips and recipes.

0:50:170:50:21

'I'm hoping our war on waste will spread all over Britain

0:50:210:50:25

'because, if we all make small changes, big things will happen.

0:50:250:50:30

'But if we're really going to reduce food waste in the UK,

0:50:360:50:39

'our supermarkets have got to get on board.

0:50:390:50:42

'And I'm finally getting my chance

0:50:420:50:45

'to talk to one of the biggest - Morrisons.

0:50:450:50:48

'Surely they'll grab this opportunity to boldly lead the way to change

0:50:500:50:55

'by relaxing their cosmetic guidelines?

0:50:550:50:58

'And, of course, I'll be challenging them

0:50:580:51:00

'on all those amended orders they kept pushing on the Hammonds.'

0:51:000:51:05

It's been a long time coming, this interview,

0:51:050:51:07

more than six months, and so I'm quite fired up,

0:51:070:51:11

but, at the same time, I'm a bit conflicted,

0:51:110:51:13

because although I'm really angry about the Hammonds

0:51:130:51:17

and what has happened to their farm, this is also a great opportunity.

0:51:170:51:20

I mean, Morrisons have done a trial,

0:51:200:51:22

which we are going to talk about today,

0:51:220:51:24

of cosmetically graded-out vegetables.

0:51:240:51:26

Maybe they could be the first supermarket

0:51:260:51:29

to really do things differently,

0:51:290:51:31

so I don't want to just lose my rag.

0:51:310:51:34

I'm feeling a bit Jekyll and Hyde

0:51:340:51:35

and I'm not sure which way it is going to go.

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'Head of communications Julian Bailey

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'and head of corporate responsibility Steve Butts have assured me

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'that they'll consider expanding the veg trial to other stores

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'if it's proved popular with their customers.'

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So we've been selling class one courgettes

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-alongside class two courgettes.

-Yes.

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Pound for pound, they're the same price

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and what we found was that the class one courgette

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sold about twice as quickly as the class two courgettes.

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-At the same price.

-At the same price.

-Not a massive surprise there, is it?

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Cos nobody's saying there's zero difference between the two products.

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But you know what I'm getting straight away?

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Feel that soft end. That's squidgy.

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I would bet all my horticultural money

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that these courgettes are actually older.

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They're not being picked at the same time,

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whereas that is rock hard by comparison.

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I can be absolutely clear that we're taking these at the same time

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and they're coming through our supply chain in the same way.

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It didn't quite look like it was a level playing field.

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The thing is, customers look at a product

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that is scarred or oddly shaped

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and might go, "Actually, I don't want to buy that product."

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The worst thing would be to move the problem

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that you're saying is on the farm into our supermarkets.

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Well, it wouldn't be worse for the farmer

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because they'd get paid for their produce.

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Lots of people are saying that's exactly what you should be doing.

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You should be taking responsibility for it

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and make it your problem because you're a supermarket.

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You're very good at selling stuff.

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If it was your problem, I'm sure you'd solve it.

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'What a shame that Morrisons won't look seriously

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'at relaxing the cosmetic standards across all their produce.

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'But surely they can't duck the issue

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'of their repeated overnight order changes at Tattersett Farm?'

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6.14pm - 385 packs.

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The next morning - 285.

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It's gone down by 100 packs just because you've changed your mind

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about how much you think you can sell.

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And you've changed your mind overnight, while they were asleep

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or while they were in the field pulling up the crop.

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Surely that's not acceptable? Surely that has to change?

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In terms of the specifics of the examples that you've got,

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I don't know the reasons why.

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What I do know is that suppliers like that, family businesses,

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work directly with Morrisons and have done for a long, long time.

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They can sell their produce anywhere they like.

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Why are they still working with us?

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If our buying practices are so bad, why are they still selling to us?

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I would say that it's because, generally speaking,

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there is a pretty good give and take with suppliers all the time.

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What I feel like I'm hearing

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is a very well-rehearsed explanation of the way that you do business.

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What I am not really hearing is any sense of alarm or anxiety

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about the sheer amount of food that is being wasted.

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I think it's time to acknowledge that you are causing the problem.

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There are lots of people in the supply chain,

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whether it's a farmer or a middleman or a retailer,

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so the picture you are painting...

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It sounds like you are going to share exciting news with me,

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some initiative that you've got.

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No, no. Ultimately, Hugh, at the end of the day,

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if our customers want to buy it

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and we can get the product, then we can sell it.

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Would you like to see them say that?

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Would that give you the confidence to do bold things about waste,

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if your customers were asking you to do it?

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I don't want to seem like I'm skirting around the issue.

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It feels a bit like it.

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It's very easy, but there are lots of good examples...

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If you get a very clear message from your customers

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that they are willing to meet you halfway,

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they are ready to be adaptable on the subject of cosmetic standards...

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We are listening to our customers, but the point...

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-Will you respond to that very boldly?

-Yes.

-Yes.

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Yes, the point is, Hugh...

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Fantastic, Steve!

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Julian, you'll be behind that, won't you?

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Of course, we listen to our customers.

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Morrisons customers, I really need you to step up at this point

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because if you don't tell these guys to do it, they're not going to do it.

0:55:360:55:39

So, come on! Tell them you don't mind that much about cosmetic standards -

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that you'd like to see farmers and suppliers

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being treated really fairly.

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'No matter how big the organisation, the customer is king.

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'That's you, and if you don't believe you have the power

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'to change billion-pound corporations,

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'then just look at what's happened

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'since we started challenging them to waste less.

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'Waitrose are talking to skip divers Sam and Catie

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'about ways to distribute more of their surplus food -

0:56:090:56:12

'this time, legally.

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'Asda, Tesco, Coop and Sainsbury's have all committed

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'to send more food to FareShare and could be on track

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'to meet my challenge of doubling their contribution.

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'And just hours before our first show went on air,

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'Morrisons announced they would send all their surplus food

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'for redistribution through charities.

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'But there's still one massive issue

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'the supermarkets are just not stepping up to,

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'so let's see if we can do something together

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'to persuade them to see sense about those crazy cosmetic standards.'

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"I agree that wasting millions of tonnes of food per year is immoral

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-"and I want my supermarket to put a stop to this."

-Without a doubt.

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We want to make sure that gets eaten, not wasted.

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I think that's a good idea.

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'There's a simple pledge on the Wastenot website

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'demanding that supermarkets stop wasting good food.'

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Look at that pile of carrots. They're all rejects.

0:57:050:57:08

Yeah, I don't like waste.

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'The more of us that sign it, the louder our voice.'

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So if you tell me where you shop... Waitrose, Sainsbury's and M&S.

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You're posh, aren't you?

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OK, good, you're addressing it all.

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'And I'll be back in the spring

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'to let you know if our supermarkets really are listening.'

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-Your pledge will make a difference.

-I hope so.

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-Together, we can do this.

-We will!

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You know what? Nobody's said no yet. It might be just because I'm on fire,

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or it might be because it's a really good idea.

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'Until then, let's show the supermarkets WE mean business

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'in our war on waste.'

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