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There's a lot we don't know about the food on our plates. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
And the shops and the labels don't always tell you the whole story. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:09 | |
You think you're getting a bargain and you're not really. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
They're just encouraging you to buy more of a product | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
when you don't need to. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:16 | |
Whether you're staying in or going out, you've told us you can | 0:00:16 | 0:00:20 | |
feel ripped off by the promises made for what you eat | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
and what you pay for it. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:24 | |
What really winds me up, I suppose, | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
is the price of so-called healthy food | 0:00:26 | 0:00:27 | |
then compared with the unhealthy stuff. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
The unhealthy stuff seems to be so much cheaper. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
From claims that just don't stack up to the secrets behind the packaging, | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
we'll uncover the truth about Britain's food, | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
so that you can be sure that you're getting | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
what you expect at the right price. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:43 | |
Your food. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
Your money. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:46 | |
This is Rip-Off Britain. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
Well, hello and welcome to Rip-Off Britain, | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
the series that battles on your behalf | 0:00:53 | 0:00:54 | |
to make sure that whatever you're buying, | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
and wherever you're buying it, you get exactly what you expect. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
Now, when it comes to our food, | 0:00:59 | 0:01:01 | |
the place where we still do most of our buying | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
remains the supermarket. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:05 | |
So, it's those big-name stores that we've firmly in our sights today. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
Very much so, because supermarkets | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
are such a fundamental part of our lives. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
You know, every year, between them, | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
they account for more than a third of all the money | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
-that we spend in shops? -Whoa. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
And they go to great lengths to win our loyalty, don't they? | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
But, you know, despite all of their claims about low prices | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
and offers that simply can't be beaten, | 0:01:27 | 0:01:29 | |
some of you have said that you're not always sure | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
that when you leave the shop you really have had the best deal. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:36 | |
Well, on Rip-Off Britain our team's been busy | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
going through all the e-mails and letters | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
you've sent us on the subject, | 0:01:40 | 0:01:41 | |
and we've been pounding the aisles, | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
so that next time you're at the checkout | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
whether it's in-store or online, | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
you can be more confident that you're really getting your money's worth. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:51 | |
Coming up, the banana's out of the bag. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
We unravel why the big stores charge so much more | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
for bananas that come prepacked than for the ones sold loose. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
I thought of myself as a savvy shopper | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
and, erm, I was very shocked to see that the prepacked bananas | 0:02:04 | 0:02:09 | |
were costing over 80% more than the loose bananas. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
And could our trusty Bags For Life be carrying bugs for life? | 0:02:14 | 0:02:19 | |
We've been at the lab testing for the nasties said to be lurking inside. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:24 | |
You can't tell by looking at a bag | 0:02:24 | 0:02:25 | |
whether or not it's hygienically clean. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
That means you probably have to assume | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
that most bags could be contaminated. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
Now, we munch our way through five billion of these every year. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
But while one may seem pretty much like any other, | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
they're certainly not the same when it comes to the price. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
And one Rip-Off Britain viewer wrote to us | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
curious to discover the answer to a question | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
that you might have wondered about as well. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
And that is why do prepacked bananas that come in a bag like this | 0:02:54 | 0:02:59 | |
typically cost more than the loose ones that are sold like this? | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
On average, each of us eats 100 bananas every year. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
And Paul Gates, from Warwick, | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
pretty much always has a bunch in his supermarket trolley. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
Until recently, that bunch would typically have been the kind | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
that comes prebagged rather than loose. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
But then Paul did some sums | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
and started to wonder if he was paying over the odds. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:23 | |
Normally when I go to the supermarket, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
it's so easy just to grab a bag of prepacked fruit or vegetables. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:31 | |
So, one time I thought, "I'll put them on the scales." | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
Paul's prepacked bananas were priced at £1. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
But when he compared the cost | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
with the equivalent weight of loose bananas, | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
he found his nicely packaged fruit | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
was costing him almost twice as much. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
Because those loose ones were only 55p. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
I thought of myself as a savvy shopper, | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
and I was very shocked to see that the prepacked bananas | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
were costing over 80% more than the loose bananas. | 0:03:56 | 0:04:01 | |
I wonder if there's any kind of a reason. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
A good question, Paul! | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
Well, we've brought him to a place | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
where he should be able to get the answer. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
This is the largest single banana ripening facility in the UK, | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
where new deliveries arrive from across the world every day. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
OK, then, Paul, as you can see, | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
we've got two different types of bananas here. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:21 | |
We've got some that have been prepacked in the tropics, | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
we've got some there that are loose. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
And Paul soon hears the first reason why prepacked bananas | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
end up being more expensive. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
They have already cost more to ship to the UK | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
than their loose counterparts, | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
because those plastic bags take up valuable space in each box. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
Around 25-30% of the price you pay in a supermarket | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
is thanks to the cost of shipping bananas here from around the world. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:48 | |
So the more bags, the greater the shipping cost. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
And that's before they've even arrived at the factory. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
Are all these bananas from exactly the same plantation? | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
No, they're not, no. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
This fruit here has come from Costa Rica. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
-Right. -This fruit over here has come from Ecuador. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
This fruit will go straight to the ripening room for ripening, | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
to get them to the yellow stage, | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
so we'll go and have a look at those now. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:10 | |
20 million bananas pass through this facility every single week. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:17 | |
Because it takes two or three weeks to transport them to the UK, | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
they're picked and shipped when they're still green, | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
and ripened in the factory. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:24 | |
OK, Paul, here we are in one of our banana-ripening rooms. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
I thought the sunshine ripened bananas? | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
No, unfortunately, we don't get the... | 0:05:32 | 0:05:34 | |
Enough sunshine in the climate in the UK to ripen them naturally, | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
so we have to create artificial means to do it. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
So, we'll bring these bananas in here | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
and we'll hold them in here for about six days. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
When they arrive to us, they are stone-hard green, | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
and we'll want to ripen those up | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
to something to what you're used to seeing on the shelf in the shop. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
After they've ripened, the loose bunches head out of the factory | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
straight to the supermarkets' own distribution centres. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
Meanwhile, the bananas destined to be sold prepacked | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
come here to be checked, sorted, packed and labelled. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
This is our pack house | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
and we'll be either packing | 0:06:11 | 0:06:17 | |
fruit in bags from loose, | 0:06:17 | 0:06:18 | |
or we'll labelling bags that have already been packed abroad, | 0:06:18 | 0:06:23 | |
or, if the quality's inconsistent, | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
we will be sorting out quality problems that might have happened, | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
because you've got to remember they've come a long way | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
and things do happen. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
Which leads to another factor in the higher price | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
we pay for bagged bananas. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
If the team spot quality issues, | 0:06:41 | 0:06:43 | |
they have to make up new bags from loose bananas. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
So that's another extra cost. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
And then there's the time spent | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
boxing up the bagged bananas | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
ready for the supermarkets. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
So, you obviously employ a lot of people here... | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
Yes, we do. Yes, we do. We've got a lot of people. | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
We enhance the product that's coming in the door | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
to the one that's going out. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
And... And they have to be paid for. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
Loose bananas, when they're finished their ripening, | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
they will go straight out the ripening room, | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
straight on the lorry to the customer, | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
none of these people even touch them. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
So, it's a very streamlined process for loose, compared with prepacks. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:20 | |
It's clear that prepacked bananas are just more complicated | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
and more costly to process. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
But those bags do have their benefits. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
On the plus side, though, | 0:07:30 | 0:07:31 | |
a prepacked banana does offer a better shelf life. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
-Really? -Yes, the prepacked banana, you've got in a plastic bag. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:39 | |
It's got a nice moist atmosphere. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
It stays better-looking for longer. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
But whether that makes the extra cost worth it is up to you. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
Thank you very much for showing me around your factory. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
-It's been very, very interesting. -No, it's been a pleasure, Paul. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
So, after being shown round a banana factory | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
for the last couple of hours, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
I've got a better understanding of the price difference | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
between loose-pack bananas and prepacked bananas. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
And if there's one thing I really fancy now, | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
it's a banana. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
But the difference in price that we pay for a loose and a bagged banana | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
is influenced by more than just the packaging. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
In fact, bananas are so popular in the UK, | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
they can be on the front line of supermarket price wars. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
Strategically they're very important to supermarkets | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
and they tend to invest in keeping prices low on those bananas. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:31 | |
Most consumers end up buying packaged bananas | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
because they're convenient. It's easy to just pick up a bag, | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
you know how much you're going to pay for it. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
You don't have to weigh the bunch. There's no surprise at the till. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
And though you may not have noticed, | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
overall we get a good deal on our bananas, | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
which can sometimes be a loss-leader for the supermarkets. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
Supermarkets really have invested a lot | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
into low and stable banana prices, | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
so even though production costs have gone up quite significantly, | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
that has not been reflected in retail prices. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:05 | |
In most retailers, over the past two years, certainly, | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
the price of a kilogram of loose bananas | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
has been pretty stable at about 68p, | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
and that has been regardless of what's happened | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
around production costs. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
When we spoke to the Big Four supermarkets, | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
they reiterated what we'd seen for ourselves at the factory - | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
that the packaging is... | 0:09:25 | 0:09:26 | |
..helping with... | 0:09:30 | 0:09:31 | |
But despite the additional costs that inevitably brings, | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
the stores stressed their bananas are priced competitively... | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
As for Paul, well, although he now better understands | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
why he has to pay more for a prepacked banana | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
than he would for a loose one, | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
he knows which kind he'll be buying from now on. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
I'm going to be a bit more careful and a bit more mean with my money. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
Still to come on Rip-Off Britain, | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
Supermarkets' home deliveries put to the test! | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
Will your food last longer if you've ordered it online | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
or if you've picked it in-store yourself? | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
I'm going to look through them now | 0:10:19 | 0:10:20 | |
and see what dates are on the products. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:22 | |
By the end of 2015, supermarkets in England | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
will have joined those in Wales, Northern Ireland, Scotland, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
and lots of other countries too, | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
by charging shoppers for all carrier bags. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
Well, to many of us, that won't come as such a shock, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:39 | |
because we've already invested in | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
the bigger, stronger, reusable Bags For Life | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
that the big stores have been encouraging us to use | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
for a long time now. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:48 | |
You may well have diligently been using the same ones | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
week in, week out, for months or even years. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
But therein lies the problem, | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
because it turns out that those trusty Bags For Life | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
might be carrying more than just your shopping. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
The world is crawling with nasty bugs | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
like E. coli, salmonella and listeria, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
that can make us very ill indeed. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
Some of them can even live | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
on the very food we buy from the supermarkets. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
Because these bacteria like to lurk on surfaces | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
and in places that aren't cleaned very often, they can easily spread. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
And it's been claimed that one place they can really thrive | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
is inside that eco-friendly alternative to the plastic bag - | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
the Bag For Life. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
We've got two Bags For Life, | 0:11:31 | 0:11:32 | |
which we use for either shopping or washing - | 0:11:32 | 0:11:34 | |
for getting the wet washing out of the washing machine, | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
because they're waterproof. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:38 | |
Oh, yes, we have some at home. They're in the boot of the car. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
If I'm carrying shoes to work or anything like that, | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
I will use my Bags For Life for that. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:45 | |
I love them. They're handy, they're convenient | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
and they're environmentally friendly. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
Even the sturdiest Bag For Life won't literally last a lifetime, | 0:11:52 | 0:11:56 | |
but many of us do use them for months or even years | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
and rarely, if ever, clean them out. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
And that means any bugs living in those bags | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
are going to stay there undisturbed. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
They'll often have come from the food we've bought | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
and dropped into the bag in the first place, | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
which is why microbiologists like Dr Lisa Ackerley | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
worry that our Bags For Life could be transporting more | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
than just the ingredients for our dinner. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
Bags For Life are a great idea | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
because obviously they're reducing the waste that we have, | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
but we just need to be aware that sometimes they could be contaminated | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
with things such as E. coli or campylobacter | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
because of the previous use. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
And, of course, we don't just use Bags For Life for food, | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
we also put all sorts of things into Bags For Life. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
We use them for our sports kit, football boots, | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
walking boots, all sorts of things. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
Several studies in both the UK and America | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
have found that instances of food poisoning have gone up | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
after ordinary plastic bags were outlawed. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
And in a recent test carried out by a Scottish newspaper, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
almost 50% of a small sample of Bags For Life | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
tested positive for potentially dangerous bugs. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
There are plenty of bacteria around in the supermarket, | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
so, for example, potatoes and leeks and other root vegetables | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
will have soil on them, which means that they could have E. coli. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
Equally, studies have found | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
that chickens have very high levels of campylobacter, | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
so we could find at least 60% to 70% of raw chickens | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
could be contaminated, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
and we've found also that the packaging that they're stored in | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
may also be contaminated. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
Washing fruit and veg removes the bacteria, | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
and cooking chicken thoroughly kills the campylobacter | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
that naturally exists in around 70% of supermarket chickens. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
But if meat juices from one of those chickens | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
leaks into a bag where ready-to-eat food like fruit is kept | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
and it isn't washed, | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
then you open yourself up to the risk of infection. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
When you pack your bags at the checkout, | 0:13:49 | 0:13:51 | |
you're putting potentially contaminated food | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
into your shopping bags | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
and, of course, if they're Bags For Life, | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
then that means that the next time you use them | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
then you could have contamination | 0:13:59 | 0:14:00 | |
from your previous shopping still in the bag. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
Oh, could it? Urrgh! | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
I'm shocked. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:06 | |
Yeah. Where are they coming from? The bacteria? | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
So how worried should we be about the bugs in our bags? | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
To find out, we asked ten shoppers to surrender their Bags For Life, | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
so we could send them to a lab. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
Dr Ackerley has agreed to take a swab from each of our bags | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
and test them for common bacteria found on supermarket food. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
Of course, it's only a small sample, | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
but nevertheless, it will give a useful snapshot of what, | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
if anything, we're carting around in all our reusable bags. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
What we're going to do is test the bags | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
to see what levels of contamination they have, | 0:14:41 | 0:14:43 | |
so how many bacteria there are on the bags. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
Whilst it's almost impossible to know for sure | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
if your Bag For Life made you ill, | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
official bodies like the Food Standards Agency | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
agree that bacteria from raw meat and fish | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
could contaminate any ready-to-eat food | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
that's put in the same bag. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:00 | |
But there is a scientist who could have the solution. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:04 | |
Paul Morris works for a company | 0:15:04 | 0:15:05 | |
that specialises in making materials that stop bugs from growing. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:10 | |
Following conversations with the FSA, | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
his team came up with a new version of the Bag For Life | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
that, if released onto the market, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
might just reduce the risk of contamination altogether. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
I think there's a high risk with the Bags For Life at the moment | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
because people aren't aware of it, | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
and you only need very small levels of the bacteria | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
to actually cause you a problem. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
What we're looking to do is to lower the risk, | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
so if there is bacteria there | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
our product will permanently get rid of the bacteria on the surface. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
Paul's company has created an improved Bag For Life | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
that includes a small layer of silver | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
designed to prevent any bacteria from growing on it, | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
reducing in one fell swoop the risk | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
of bugs being passed from bag to person and so on. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
You wouldn't let your children play with a raw chicken breast. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:56 | |
But if it's in a trolley, people assume it's safe. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
You either disinfect the bag after every use, | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
which people don't tend to do, people like to be lazy, | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
or why not have an antibacterial Bag For Life | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
which costs a few pence more than a normal bag | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
and actually gives you that protection then | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
that you're not going to spread bacteria | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
from one shopping trip to another. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
Any solution that keeps our bags free from bugs | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
has got to be good news. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:20 | |
But were the Bags For Life we tested as bad as we feared? | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
The results are back from the lab. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
And it seems that this time at least there's no need to panic. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
Well, we've got the results back from the laboratory, | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
and whilst the results are not as alarming | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
as some of the other studies that have been carried out, | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
we nevertheless did find some bacteria in the bags, | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
but at fairly low quantities | 0:16:39 | 0:16:40 | |
and nothing that would really cause me great concern. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
However, it does show that the bags are not sterile | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
and they will be used for food, | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
and so that means that if there is any contamination in them, | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
it could be passed on from one food to another. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
None of our bags contained any bacteria | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
that could actually cause any serious illnesses. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
And the fact we did find bacteria in them isn't really surprising. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
After all, bacteria are everywhere. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
But it does show that there's the potential for contamination. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
It's always very difficult to know | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
where somebody has actually become contaminated. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
Whether it was a bag, whether it was contamination | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
from picking up a packet of chicken, | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
whether it was preparing chicken in the home, | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
or failing to wash their hands. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
Often it's very difficult | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
to trace back individual cases of food poisoning | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
and determine where the fault actually arose. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
And, of course, it doesn't help that you won't be able to tell | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
what secrets your bag might be harbouring just by looking at it. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:36 | |
So you can see this bag is a little bit grubby, | 0:17:36 | 0:17:38 | |
but it wouldn't strike you as a really, really dirty bag. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
But yet this was the dirtiest one in terms of the microbiology. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
This bag was the second dirtiest bag | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
in terms of bacteria that we found on it and, actually, | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
it looks pretty clean. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
So, I can't actually see any evidence of dirt on there, | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
so what this actually means is you can't tell by looking at a bag | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
whether or not it's hygienically clean. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
That means you probably have to assume | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
that most bags could be contaminated. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
And while not all the bacteria | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
that may be in your Bag For Life will be harmful, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
Lisa has some simple tips | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
to make sure you don't get any unwelcome surprises | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
from the ones that are. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:16 | |
I'd recommend, if you're using a Bag For Life, | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
to mark one up with a big "R" on it - | 0:18:19 | 0:18:20 | |
this is what a lot of people do that I know, | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
and maybe they're a bit peculiar, | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
but that's what they do - a big "R", and that says raw meat only. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
So, all the raw meat goes into one bag. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
And as long as we understand | 0:18:31 | 0:18:32 | |
that we're picking up bacteria on our hands | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
and we take the appropriate action, which is washing our hands | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
before we eat, then really we are going to be quite safe. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
An ever-increasing number of us do our weekly shop | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
without ever leaving the house, | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
because internet grocery shopping | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
has transformed the lives of literally millions of people. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
And while, personally, I still prefer | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
to have a good old look around what's on the supermarket shelves, | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
there's no doubt that by doing the shopping online, | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
well, is invaluable for many people. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
But, you know, nothing's perfect, and over the years we've noticed | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
a steady trickle of e-mails | 0:19:07 | 0:19:08 | |
complaining about the short shelf life | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
of some of the food that you've had delivered, | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
pointing out that the weekly shop ordered online | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
hasn't lasted anywhere near the full week. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
And that's led to some of you even wondering | 0:19:19 | 0:19:21 | |
if it's the policy of the big chains | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
to send the food that has the longest sell-by dates | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
to the shops and the shortest sell-by dates | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
to those shopping from home. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:29 | |
So, to see if there's any truth in that whatsoever, | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
we've done some shopping of our own. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
The traditional big weekly shop for many of us | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
is no longer done quite as traditionally as it once was. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
'Now Iceland's special freezer vans | 0:19:44 | 0:19:45 | |
'bring home the bacon, the ice cream...' | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
In the 1990s, home delivery took its hold | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
and set to change supermarket shopping forever. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
'Iceland's coming home.' | 0:19:54 | 0:19:56 | |
'Brilliant!' | 0:19:56 | 0:19:57 | |
Since then, an increasing number of us | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
have chosen to have our shopping delivered direct to our front door. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
It's said that a fifth of us now order our weekly groceries online | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
from the comfort of our own home. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
But as online shopping has grown in popularity, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
so too has the number of people contacting us | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
to say that they don't think it's all it's cracked up to be. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
Because when you rely on somebody else picking your potatoes | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
from the fresh food aisle, things can go wrong. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
Late or cancelled deliveries, the wrong items being delivered, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
and the occasional strange substitution | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
are all things that we've heard complaints about. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
They were some problems with them substituting certain items. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:40 | |
Items that I would never have bought myself. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
Sometimes the deliveries would be late. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
Often food come, and it's bruised, with your fruits, | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
or you've not received the full offers. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
One particular criticism that crops up repeatedly | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
is to do with the expiry date on fresh produce, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
which some of you claim can often be close to its limit | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
even as soon as the food is delivered. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
Warren Copland from Oxford got in touch | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
after becoming frustrated that, | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
despite meticulously planning his weekly shop, | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
some of the groceries he pays to have delivered | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
won't actually last the week. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
He claims that, in one delivery, | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
seven fresh items, including broccoli, | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
fishcakes and minced beef, | 0:21:21 | 0:21:23 | |
had best-before dates that were just one or two days ahead, | 0:21:23 | 0:21:27 | |
leaving him very unhappy about how much had to be eaten | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
long before the week had ended. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:32 | |
It's a suggestion we've heard before, | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
with some of you even wondering if stores deliberately distribute | 0:21:35 | 0:21:39 | |
goods with the longest shelf lives to the stores, | 0:21:39 | 0:21:41 | |
leaving those with dates closer to expiry for the online shops. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:46 | |
So we thought we'd do some online shopping of our own. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
We placed orders for 11 items of food | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
that you'd find in a typical weekly shop | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
from the websites of five leading supermarket chains. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
We chose Tesco, Sainsbury's, Asda, Morrisons and Waitrose, | 0:21:59 | 0:22:05 | |
all of it to be delivered two days later. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
On the day of the delivery, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
we went to a local branch of each of the same stores | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
to try and buy exactly the same things. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
So will there be much of a difference? | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
It's time to find out. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:21 | |
Our Tesco order is the first to arrive. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
Tesco has been delivering food for 18 years | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
and is the UK's largest online grocer, | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
making up more than half the online food shopping that's done in the UK. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
When the driver delivered these, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
he told me there were no substitutions. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
So I'm going to look through them now | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
to see what dates are on the products. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
Tesco performed best in our experiment, | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
delivering only one product with a shorter shelf life, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
but the rest had either the same expiry dates | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
or an even longer shelf life. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
But of the products from the Sainsbury's delivery, | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
four had expiry dates that were shorter than our in-store shop. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
Only one ordered online, the salmon, | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
had a longer shelf life. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
Things were a bit more evenly matched at Morrisons, | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
where only two items from our online order | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
had a shorter shelf life than the ones bought in-store. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
Morrisons uses Ocado to deliver its shopping, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
the world's largest specialist online grocer, | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
which has no physical stores of its own. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
Ocado also delivers Waitrose products, | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
but Waitrose has its own online delivery service as well | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
and it's grown by more than 25% in the past year. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
Even so, our Waitrose delivery seems to have a few problems. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:33 | |
So the Waitrose driver told me | 0:23:33 | 0:23:34 | |
that there were a couple of substitutions. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
I didn't have to accept them if I didn't want to. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
So, looking at this, a bag appears to have not made it off the truck. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:44 | |
Not sure what's happened there. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
This time we only ended up with seven items | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
we could directly compare. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
But of those, three of the ones we'd bought in the shop | 0:23:51 | 0:23:53 | |
would last longer than the equivalents we had delivered. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
Two whole days more | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
in the case of the chicken. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:00 | |
From the online order, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:01 | |
only the grapes had a better shelf life. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
But the good news is that when we called Waitrose the next day | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
about the items that hadn't arrived, we were instantly given a refund. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
Finally, Asda. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:15 | |
So the Asda driver told me there were a few substitutions. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:21 | |
Said I could reject them if I wanted to. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
I've got some mushrooms in here! | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
I'm not sure what they're substituting yet. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
SHE GIGGLES | 0:24:32 | 0:24:33 | |
Instead of 500g of grapes, they've sent us some mushrooms. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
That's a really confusing choice. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
I don't understand how mushrooms would be a substitute for grapes. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
Me neither! | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
But whilst the substitution wasn't quite what we wanted, | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
when it came to shelf life, again, there wasn't much in it. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
Of those we could compare, | 0:24:52 | 0:24:53 | |
two products from the store | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
would last slightly longer than the equivalents bought online, | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
but the other six were exactly the same. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
So, looking at these products, | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
generally they are the same as what we could get in-store, | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
aside from the broccoli and the chicken, | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
which we managed to get a little longer shelf life on them, | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
it's the same. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:14 | |
So, while our test was obviously just a snapshot | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
from a handful of stores, | 0:25:17 | 0:25:18 | |
we certainly didn't come across any evidence | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
to suggest there's a conspiracy or deliberate policy among supermarkets | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
to send food with the longest dates to their stores, | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
and keep the ones with shorter shelf lives for home deliveries. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
In fact, when we contacted the supermarkets, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:36 | |
some of them explained the opposite is true. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
Sainsbury's, Waitrose and Asda all told us their staff | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
are trained to pick goods with the longest shelf lives possible. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:47 | |
Sainsbury's say they also... | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
And if you're not happy with the dates, it's a... | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
Asda and Morrisons also said you won't be charged for an item | 0:25:57 | 0:26:01 | |
with a date you're not satisfied with. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
And Morrisons went on to say | 0:26:03 | 0:26:05 | |
that in common with most of the other big stores, | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
its receipts clearly list the lifespan of each product... | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
..and can plan their meals for the week ahead. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
It also said that stock used for online deliveries | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
is kept entirely separate from the stock sent to stores. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
Meanwhile, Waitrose added that with its deliveries, | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
customers can add specific preferences to an order. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
For example, if you particularly like green bananas. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
Well, it's clearly a much more complex business | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
than you might have realised, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
and likely to get increasingly sophisticated | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
as more of us commit to shopping this way in the future. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
Online grocery shopping seems to be a winner. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
I'll certainly stick with online shopping. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
Here at Rip-Off Britain, | 0:26:53 | 0:26:54 | |
we're always ready to investigate more of your stories on any subject. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:59 | |
You can write to us at... | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
Or you can send us an e-mail to... | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
Remember that The Rip-Off team is ready and waiting | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
to investigate your stories. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
Well, as you know, the supermarkets are experts | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
at convincing us all to spend money with them. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
And sometimes, as in the case of those prepacked bananas, | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
in convincing us to pay a higher price | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
for not always that much extra in return. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
Though of course, all those constant price wars between them, | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
do help to keep at least some of our shopping costs down. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
But, you know, that doesn't mean | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
they can take our custom for granted. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
No way! | 0:27:47 | 0:27:48 | |
So do keep your supermarket stories coming in to us. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
And if their great deals don't quite stack up | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
then, again, please do let us know, | 0:27:54 | 0:27:55 | |
because I'm pretty sure | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
this is a subject we're going to be looking at again and again. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
And don't forget we're keen to hear from you on any subject, | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
not just food. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:05 | |
Our team is already working on the next series | 0:28:05 | 0:28:07 | |
of Rip-Off Britain programmes, | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
so do please get in touch | 0:28:09 | 0:28:11 | |
and tell us what you'd like us to investigate. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:13 | |
You never know, it might be your letter or e-mail | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
we'll be looking at next time. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
But for now, thanks for joining us. And from all of us here, goodbye. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
-Bye-bye. -Bye-bye. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 |