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Out there are tricksters and conmen | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
trying to get their hands on your savings | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
and every year, a shocking 3.2 million people | 0:00:06 | 0:00:10 | |
fall prey to their ingenious and devious scams. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:15 | |
Coming up, how investing in land can land you in financial ruin. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:37 | |
It was fairly devastating for me. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
It has cost me financial loss and trust in people. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
And the phone scam that's crippled small businesses. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
My house is at risk. My business is at risk. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
Everything I've got is at risk. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
I'm here to tell what the conman doesn't want you to know, | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
how to stay one step ahead of the game and not get scammed. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:02 | |
You know, all this used to be fields, long before I was born, | 0:01:07 | 0:01:12 | |
and this land then would have been virtually worthless | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
unless you were a sheep or something. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
But then somebody put in a planning application | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
and the value of the land rose dramatically. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
That's why land banking is such a good idea. You buy a bit of land, | 0:01:24 | 0:01:30 | |
get a planning application in and then sell it off to | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
a property developer for much, much more. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
But as with anywhere, where there are large sums of money involved, | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
there is also a little smell of a scam. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
Land has traditionally been one of the safest investments | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
with potentially huge profits to be made over a relatively short period, | 0:01:48 | 0:01:53 | |
but it isn't without its risks. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
All these facts make it very attractive to fraudsters | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
and the City of London Police have long been aware of conmen | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
selling land to investors that is never going to make them money. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
People make investment with the intention of it being | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
a responsible investment | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
and it can be very, very embarrassing, | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
and that personal pride of working all your life | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
to get what you have and then | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
losing it all in one swift movement of a fraudster is heartbreaking. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:29 | |
I'm off to West London to meet a chap who has recently discovered | 0:02:29 | 0:02:34 | |
the perils of investing in land. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
Retired company secretary Bill Dean is no stranger to investment. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
With a lifetime of experience investing in stocks and shares, | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
he was confident making financial decisions | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
and analysing the risks involved. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
When his father passed away, he had a lump sum to invest, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
so when a relative innocently passed on details he had received | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
about a land investment opportunity, Bill wanted to find out more. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:06 | |
I was just interested really in making a safe investment that | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
would give me a good return and this land agent contacted me | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
and said they were selling land down in Cullompton in Devon. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
He said it would be a really good investment because Exeter Airport | 0:03:18 | 0:03:23 | |
is quite close to Cullompton | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
and developing fairly fast as an international airport. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
So, you are offered a seemingly perfect plot | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
with fantastic prospects. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
All you have to do is sit tight | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
and wait for the agents to gain the all-important planning permission. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
-Have you got a name for this guy? -Well, his name was Edward. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
So tell me about Edward. What was he like to speak to? | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
He was very charming. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
He had a very educated accent | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
and he was very convincing that the land investment was | 0:03:52 | 0:03:59 | |
a really good opportunity to make a reasonable sum of money. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:04 | |
One of Edward's gifts was his ability to form | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
strong and lasting relationships with his victims. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
Slowly and surely, he built up trust with Bill. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
Did you ever make any calls to the council? | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
Initially, I wanted to find out if the land existed, which I did, | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
and I was satisfied that the land existed. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
And that's as far as I went. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
Having established a bond with Edward, Bill was convinced | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
this would be a great investment and decided to seal the deal. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
-Let's talk about sums of money. -Right, OK. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
How much initially did you hand over? | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
Initially, I invested £8,000. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
£8,000 was a sizable chunk of Bill's savings, | 0:04:46 | 0:04:51 | |
but when he received the deeds to the land, everything seemed fine. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:56 | |
It's not uncommon for you to make that initial purchase | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
and to come in and say, quite naturally, | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
"There's a better opportunity here or a further opportunity here." | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
As I developed the relationship with Edward, I felt pretty convinced | 0:05:06 | 0:05:11 | |
that my investment was safe and more money was invested. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:16 | |
In the end, I invested £20,000. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
So confident was Bill in Edward and the investment in Cullompton, | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
he decided to talk to his friends about it. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
-What was it that attracted them? Did you have to sell it to them? -No. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:35 | |
No, I wouldn't sell it to them, no. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
I just gave them all the information and they made their own decisions. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
Talk to me about the kind of conversations that you were | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
having with each other. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
Well, I was the main contact with Edward so I would ring him up | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
every few weeks and then I would report back to the other two. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
-So they are trusting you pretty much completely? -Yes. Yes. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
You have taken on a huge responsibility there? | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
Yes, I have, that's right. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
Bill and his friends had invested | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
a whopping £42,000 in the Cullompton land. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
Excited by the apparent financial opportunities, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
they were unaware that the scam was about to unfold even further. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:16 | |
Company number two was an investment in Scotland, in Dumbarton. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
Feeling confident with the idea of land banking, | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
and with the moral support of Edward, | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
Bill invested £10,000 in the Dumbarton site. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
But they were very clever. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
What they did was, they said there was a little bit of land still | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
left over which the directors owned, but they are prepared | 0:06:38 | 0:06:43 | |
to let you have some of their land at a reduced price. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
How much have you got invested at the end of that process? | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
My total then became £30,000. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
Adding this to the money invested in the Cullompton site, | 0:06:54 | 0:06:58 | |
Bill had now parted with £50,000. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
And, as before, Bill passed the details on to his two friends. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:07 | |
One cautiously invested a further £2,000, | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
but the other invested a further £34,000, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
bringing the total amount invested by all three to over £100,000. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:18 | |
Thinking the planning permission was about to be submitted, | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
they waited patiently for the good news. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
They said that the council had decided to delay | 0:07:25 | 0:07:30 | |
our planning application | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
because this land had been sold on the opposite side of the road | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
and there was work to be carried out in building houses | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
on that particular piece of land. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
In August 2010, Bill went on holiday and felt confident that | 0:07:43 | 0:07:47 | |
when he got back, his investment in land would begin to pay off. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:53 | |
When I got back from holiday | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
and tried to telephone the company, | 0:07:55 | 0:07:59 | |
the line was dead. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
I was just trying to find out what was going on. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
I went on to Companies House | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
and realised they had gone into liquidation. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
The agents from the Scottish Dumbarton site | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
had disappeared without a trace, | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
leaving Bill feeling anxious about his investment. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
So he turned to the one person he really trusted. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
When I spoke to Edward about investment in Scotland, | 0:08:26 | 0:08:31 | |
he was quite helpful, | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
and he gave the assurance that our money was safe with him. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:38 | |
Until the police got involved | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
and then started investigating both companies. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
Bill discovered that both companies were linked. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
His relationship with Edward, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
the person he'd trusted completely over four years, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
had been based purely on lies, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
costing him and his friends £100,000. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
The friend that invested the smaller amount, he is OK. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:09 | |
The other one has taken it very badly | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
and we are no longer in contact with each other. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
She is completely devastated by it all. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
I feel in some ways I've let them down | 0:09:25 | 0:09:26 | |
because I should have made further investigations. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
What's the real cost of this to you? | 0:09:31 | 0:09:32 | |
It has cost me a friendship. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
It has cost me financial loss | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
and trust in people. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
Land banking scams over the last ten years have been massive. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
You know, and those are people like yourself, you have had a history | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
of investing which has given you confidence and made you think, | 0:09:53 | 0:09:59 | |
"It's worked for me in this area, this is just another sphere." | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
Yes, that's right. That's right. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
The City of London Police are continuing to investigate | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
and Bill's hopeful both companies will wind up in court. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
We are making significant progress to crack down on this type of crime | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
and to bring offenders to justice. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
If you or anyone you know is considering investing in land, | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
it is worth checking out some key points. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
A lot of it is based around making checks on the internet, | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
Land Registry checks, for example, Companies House checks, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
to see the legitimacy of the company. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
They're around address checks to see what is the address that this company | 0:10:35 | 0:10:41 | |
are trading from. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
It may sound basic, but do your research thoroughly. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
Visit the land itself, if it is all possible, | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
or get somebody trusted to visit the land | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
and find out what it looks like. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
Thirdly, and most importantly, talk to the council about the land | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
you're thinking of buying. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
If they tell you it's green belt, | 0:11:00 | 0:11:01 | |
and that planning permission is never going to be granted, | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
you know it's a scam. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
If you've been a victim of this type of fraud, | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
there is help out there. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:11 | |
There are support networks out there that can help. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:18 | |
If you don't know where they are, | 0:11:18 | 0:11:20 | |
we, the police, can help put you in contact. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
Sadly for Bill, he has learnt his lesson in the hardest possible way. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:27 | |
It is very easy to get tricked into parting with your money | 0:11:27 | 0:11:32 | |
and these people are very good at it. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
You know, sometimes it can be a struggle | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
to keep on top of the latest changes in technology. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
If you get a contact out of the blue from a firm, | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
claiming to be working with one of the big utility providers, | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
then you take notice, don't you? | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
Especially if the utility in question | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
is your trusted landline telephone. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
Mobiles may have gone all smart and sophisticated, | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
but we Brits still spend an average of three hours a month | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
using our landlines. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
It's not just about having a good natter. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
People who run their own business rely on the landline | 0:12:15 | 0:12:20 | |
to stay in touch with their customers. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
But, in 2008, a pair of scam artists | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
decided to exploit this to their own advantage. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
They targeted small businesses | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
in a scam involving selling phone rental contracts, | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
conning innocent people out of thousands of pounds. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
Julie Goodwin lives in Essex, and for the last 16 years | 0:12:36 | 0:12:41 | |
she has run a successful health store business. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
Her phone system is crucial for everything, | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
from speaking to customers to placing orders, | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
so when a salesman came into one of her shops in 2008, | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
and said he was with British Telecom, | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
she listened to what he had to say. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
He seemed very approachable. He said he was in the area. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
He was working with BT | 0:13:03 | 0:13:04 | |
and he was the business arm of BT. He was BC Telecom. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
In 2008, a company called BC Telecom Limited paid Julie a visit. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:17 | |
This company shouldn't be confused with the legitimate company | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
trading today with the same name. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
Back then, Julie had never heard of BC Telecom Limited, | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
but the connection with BT | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
was enough to convince her they were a reputable firm. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
The salesman said he'd called by | 0:13:31 | 0:13:32 | |
to tell her about a major change in technology. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
All phones had to be changed from analogue to digital in the next, | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
I think, it was 18 months. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
The salesman told Julie that after the digital switch over, | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
her analogue phones would stop working. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
Julie was told the only way she would be able to continue | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
using a landline for her business was to upgrade | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
to a brand, spanking, digital phone system. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
The new phones would be expensive to buy and install | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
so the salesman told Julie she would just need to sign a lease agreement, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
which would spread the cost. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
He said BC Telecom Limited worked with several leasing companies | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
and could organise all of this for her. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
It sounded like a fantastic deal. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
I was getting an upgrade, for...which I thought was a reasonable amount, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
and that was going to take me into the future. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
Julie was almost won over. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
Then the salesman delivered his killer line, the clincher. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
He said a Government scheme refunded small businesses | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
for the cost of switching to digital phones. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
That meant that although Julie had to pay for the phone system now, | 0:14:34 | 0:14:39 | |
the Government would pay her back later. This, of course, was a lie. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
And was part of a well-planned sales patter to draw her into the scam. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
He did say he was only in the area for a couple of weeks | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
and he was moving on to other areas, so it was almost like there | 0:14:52 | 0:14:57 | |
was a slight pressure there to get it changed while I could. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
Julie was sold, and filled in the forms there and then. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
And then when I said, "Are you going to leave a copy?" | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
He said, "No, we need to get it signed by the lease companies. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
"We'll drop it in to you in a couple of days." | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
Because he was so helpful, I thought, yeah, that's fine. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
The salesman assured Julie that everything would be taken care of | 0:15:16 | 0:15:21 | |
and a few days later, she had a new swanky phone system installed. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:26 | |
GP John Cormack has a similar story. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
He runs a busy family surgery | 0:15:31 | 0:15:32 | |
and his phone system is a vital point of contact for his patients. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
In 2008, he was visited by not one, but two salesmen | 0:15:36 | 0:15:41 | |
from BC Telecom Limited and, as with Julie, | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
they said they were part of BT. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
The salesman told John about the Government scheme that would | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
refund him the cost of leasing the new digital phone equipment, | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
and it seem like an offer too good to refuse. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
And he, he was very glib. He chatted away. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
I mean, he could have sold the Eiffel Tower, I think, | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
because he was one of those people who had a quick answer. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
The salesman's fast-talking style worked its magic. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
John agreed to the deal and filled in the forms, but, | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
as with Julie, John wasn't left with copies | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
of the agreements he'd signed. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
I said, "Why don't I just photocopy it for you | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
"because we can keep a copy and that will save you a job." | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
And they said, "No. No, need to do that. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:33 | |
"We will get it and send it back to you in a nice sort of pack." | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
That sounded so exciting that I couldn't turn down the offer. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
He may not have had his paperwork, but within days John's surgery | 0:16:39 | 0:16:44 | |
had a new phone system, and after a year both John and Julie received | 0:16:44 | 0:16:48 | |
the so-called Government refunds | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
they'd been promised by BC Telecom Limited. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
From memory, I think the amount was about £3,600. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:58 | |
John and Julie had been told that every penny they spent leasing | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
the phone systems would be refunded by the Government, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
so they continued making payments to the leasing firms, | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
but there was no sign of any more Government refunds | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
and they soon started asking questions. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
The number was unobtainable. Something was seriously wrong. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
There was nothing wrong with the phone. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
The reason they couldn't get through | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
was that BC Telecom Limited had gone into liquidation. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
When BC Telecom went bust, | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
we stopped getting payments back, so suddenly we were out of pocket. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:33 | |
With no more refunds from the Government and BC Telecom Limited | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
in liquidation, both John and Julie decided to cancel their leases, | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
and that's when they began to realise they'd been scammed. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:49 | |
They said, "You've signed for 87 months. You've got to pay." | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
That's when you realise you've been scammed. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
Julie was locked into seven-year contracts | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
with three different leasing companies. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
John also had a seven-year contract and, again, | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
owed the best part of £45,000. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
My house is at risk. My business is at risk. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
Everything I've got is at risk. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:11 | |
So how had BC Telecom Limited made their money from this scam? | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
Gillian Turner and the investigation team | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
from Hertfordshire Trading Standards were determined to find out. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
Early on, we did try and contact BC Telecom Limited to see | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
if they had a legitimate explanation or whether it was | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
a misunderstanding and they didn't want to speak to us at all. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:37 | |
We took that as a bit of a red warning. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
John and Julie were among scores of people who | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
complained about BC Telecom Limited | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
and the team at Hertfordshire Trading Standards | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
began trying to build up a picture of what had happened. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
We were starting to find a pattern was emerging that | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
a number of lies were being told over and over again to these businesses. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
One of the big whoppers was that there was no Government refund. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:02 | |
The refunds John and Julie received at the end of their first year | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
were paid by BC Telecom Limited to make the scam seem real. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
It was only when the rebates began to run out after that first year | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
that they realised something was the matter and when they tried | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
to contact the company, the company was no longer available. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:22 | |
BC Telecom Limited had convinced their victims | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
to switch their analogue phone systems to digital ones, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
signing lengthy financial agreements | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
with third party suppliers, but how were they making their cash? | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
It was all to do with commission. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
Each time BC Telecom Limited | 0:19:38 | 0:19:40 | |
signed someone up to a contract with a leasing company, they took a cut. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
The beauty, in a way, of this scam was that BC Telecom | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
got their cut quite early on in the scam, of money that is. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:52 | |
The businesses did not contract directly with | 0:19:52 | 0:19:56 | |
BC Telecom, they contracted with the finance company, | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
a third party finance company, so they could remove | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
themselves from the situation and leave it all behind, if you like. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:07 | |
So who were the men behind this devious scheme? | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
BC Telecom Limited was run by Daniel Buttle and Daniel Cullen, | 0:20:13 | 0:20:18 | |
both in their late 20s. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
Hertfordshire Trading Standards were now determined to make | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
a watertight case against them to try and put an end to the company | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
once and for all. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:31 | |
They wanted to get to the bottom of the supposed links | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
with British Telecom, and it wasn't long | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
before John stepped forward with indisputable evidence - | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
a recording of his meeting with BC Telecom Limited. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
I recorded the conversation because, as I understand it, in law, | 0:20:43 | 0:20:50 | |
a verbal agreement is as binding as a written agreement, | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
so I had a record of the verbal agreement. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
The following is the actual recording, | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
and Daniel Cullen can be heard explaining | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
that BC Telecom Limited is linked to BT. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
And just in case that wasn't clear enough... | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
Trading Standards investigators | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
then called British Telecom directly. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
And as suspected, they confirmed | 0:21:21 | 0:21:23 | |
there were no links with BC Telecom Limited. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
For Bruce Carter, customer experience director at BT, | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
the news didn't come as a surprise. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:32 | |
You do get companies who try and trade with names similar to BT, | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
so they are trying to fool customers by having similar names. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
The investigators now had clear proof that BC Telecom Limited | 0:21:41 | 0:21:46 | |
had deliberately misled customers, but worse was to come. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
Sometimes the paperwork had actually been signed for them | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
outside their knowledge, after they had signed. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
When John and Julie signed their agreements, | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
the two Daniels whisked away | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
the paperwork without leaving copies behind. Now it was clear why. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
They'd later changed the lease agreements | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
to make them more valuable. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
Julie thought she had only signed up to a one-year contract. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
When she saw her paperwork, | 0:22:16 | 0:22:17 | |
she realised she was liable to pay for seven. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
It was a similar story for John, | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
but in his case, the two Daniels | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
had actually gone as far as forging his signature. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:30 | |
An agreement with a signature on, which purports to be my signature, | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
which is nothing like any signature I have ever done in my whole life. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:38 | |
With evidence like this, Trading Standards were ready to take | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
action against Daniel Buttle and Daniel Cullen. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
We looked at the Companies Act, which concerns fraudulent trading, | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
and that seemed to be the most appropriate charge or | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
information to lay at the time. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
Buttle and Cullen were summoned to court, | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
where Gillian and her team presented their evidence. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
Their hard work paid off. Both Daniels were found guilty of fraud. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
Daniel Buttle was sentenced to 18 months behind bars. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
Daniel Cullen received three years. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
Although that included time for another fraud | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
he carried out in another part of England. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
At last, the dodgy duo have been stopped, | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
but for their targets, the nightmare is far from over. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
Although Buttle and Cullen have been banged up, | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
John and Julie are still tied into their leasing contracts | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
for seven years, | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
despite the fact they never signed up to them. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
They are also not getting any money back, as they were promised. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
These are finance companies who were not directly involved in the scam, | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
so in some senses have rights to recover their monies | 0:23:47 | 0:23:53 | |
and some finance companies have had that view. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
For Julie, this is all a bit too much to take. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:02 | |
I mean, how can you still be liable for something that two people | 0:24:02 | 0:24:06 | |
have gone to prison for? | 0:24:06 | 0:24:07 | |
And, you know, the leasing companies are still saying, | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
"It is you who needs to pay." | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
The leasing companies had paid out a huge amount of money | 0:24:12 | 0:24:17 | |
to BC Telecom Limited | 0:24:17 | 0:24:18 | |
for obtaining these contracts. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
They had no legal reason to end them. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
I think the important thing now is to campaign to have the law tightened. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:31 | |
If it wasn't for Trading Standards, we would have had no redress, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
no satisfaction whatsoever. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
If you are concerned about getting caught up in a similar scam, | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
there are things you can do to help protect yourself. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
Never contract with a company unless you are really clear who they are. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:51 | |
Never send cheques, for instance, to companies | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
unless you understand who they are and if you need to speak to us | 0:24:54 | 0:24:59 | |
about it, we will very happily check them out. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
For more information | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
about protecting yourself from the advances of a scammer, go to: | 0:25:04 | 0:25:11 | |
Before we go, there's just time to tell you | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
about some of the latest scams out there. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
I have come to meet an expert from the National Fraud Authority, | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
to get the lowdown on what you should be looking out for. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
Today, we are looking at scams that happen on your doorstep. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
Cold-calling, doorstep, rogue trading scams are still prevalent. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:37 | |
Organised gangs go around the country | 0:25:37 | 0:25:39 | |
trying to take advantage of the elderly, | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
the isolated and the vulnerable. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
Let's talk through a typical example of what might happen, | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
let's say with a roof. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:48 | |
Roofing is a good example. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
They will knock on your door and they will say, they are in the area | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
and they have noticed two or three of your tiles need to be replaced. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
You will say, "OK. How much?" They say, 50 quid." | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
Up they go and come down ten minutes later with a dozen tiles, | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
all broken, £50 each, 600 quid they want from you. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
The golden rule here is never, ever have any building work | 0:26:07 | 0:26:12 | |
done on your home without first getting a quote | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
and taking up references. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:16 | |
Next, another doorstep scam - this time it's about insulation. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
They'll knock on the door and say they are in the area, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
acting on behalf of one of the energy companies or the Government, | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
so giving a false impression of who they're working for. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
They say they have to get insulation in | 0:26:29 | 0:26:31 | |
and it will be £300 or £400, but you can claim that back. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
They probably put nothing in. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
They might take old stuff out and put something cheap in | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
and then you can't get the claim back. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
Government schemes can offer great discounts | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
from the cost of insulation | 0:26:45 | 0:26:46 | |
and they should also be able to recommend a trusted installer | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
to come and fit it for you. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:51 | |
So, there you go. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
It doesn't matter how clever the scam is, if you recognise | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
the warning signs, you can stay one step ahead of the conmen. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 |