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Every year con men and scam artists net an estimated £3.5 billion from you and I, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:08 | |
the British public. They don't care how they do it - or how much damage they cause. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:12 | |
They only really care about one thing - | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
that's how much cash they can get. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
'Coming up... Where there's a will, there's a way - especially if you're a scam artist.' | 0:00:34 | 0:00:40 | |
-What do you make of what he did now, knowing what you know? -I feel I could strangle him. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:46 | |
And the ruthless con man who targeted elderly women. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
I remember the case in 1998, and the front page of the local paper | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
where John Davies was referred to as the most evil man in North Wales. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
I'm here to tell you what the con men don't want you to know - | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
so you can stay ahead of the game and not get scammed. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
You work hard all your life to provide for your family. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
You want to make sure that they're looked after, | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
but it doesn't put off the inevitable, and that is why you write a will. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:23 | |
You want to make sure your house, your possessions...it all goes to the people you love and care for. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:28 | |
Death is a taboo, and something we don't like to talk about, | 0:01:28 | 0:01:33 | |
so when it comes to planning what happens after you die, | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
scammers can use this reluctance to their advantage | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
and fleece you of your money. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
What they want is to intimidate you, to control the situation | 0:01:42 | 0:01:48 | |
and make sure that you sign the documentation there and then. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
Preferably a cheque - or even better, if they can get it from you, cash - for the services. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:58 | |
They are not necessarily going to deliver those services, | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
or they may actually only give you an incompetent document. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
56% of people in the UK haven't made a will, | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
so there's no shortage of potential targets. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
And with no laws to prevent anybody from setting themselves up | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
as a will writing company, it can be dangerous territory. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
Solicitor Helen Clarke has seen many people come through her doors after being caught out. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:27 | |
Not all will writers are dishonest or incompetent, | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
but it is an unregulated market. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
These people are not qualified. They're not legally trained. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:38 | |
The fact that a will writer has a logo at the top of their pieces of paper, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:43 | |
or a number of letters after their name, | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
really doesn't mean anything. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
And when people do decide to write a will, | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
they often go for what looks like the easiest option. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
Terry and Pauline Ash, along with their daughter Wendy, | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
run a mail order firm from their home. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
The family has had a bad experience with a salesman. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
All three of them have been left confused, | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
and in order to get a clear picture of what's happened, I'm chatting to them separately. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:11 | |
In his workshop, Terry's been telling me what made them decide | 0:03:11 | 0:03:15 | |
that now was the time to write a will. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
I think Pauline was a bit worried because | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
I had been diagnosed probably six months earlier | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
that I had a small touch of prostate glands cancer. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
And although they said I had a fairly good 15 years to go yet before I needed to worry, | 0:03:25 | 0:03:32 | |
I think it worried her quite a lot. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
-So it's those little things that send alarm bells. -Yeah. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
'This realisation that they needed a will meant they'd now become a target.' | 0:03:39 | 0:03:44 | |
Pauline and Wendy were out shopping when they found | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
a will writing company advertising in a well-known high street chemist. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
This is why we thought it was authentic. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
They had a big billboard, and they had professional-looking leaflets. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:59 | |
So we gave our name and address and just waited for the call. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
Within days the company got in touch, and an appointment was made | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
for an adviser to come round and see the three of them. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
We thought, that's good - in the comfort of your own home | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
you can list down where you want your bits and pieces to go, | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
and it just seemed ideal. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:19 | |
But Pauline, a home visit presents the scammer | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
with an ideal opportunity to manipulate the situation. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
Many people fear actually making a will. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:29 | |
And so when you are in that state of anxiety, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
it is very easy to be exploited, to be persuaded. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:38 | |
What do you make of the guy, straight away when he walks in the door? | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
A big fella, dripping in gold. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
He went straight into the patter - "You've got a lot of property here - | 0:04:45 | 0:04:51 | |
"if one of you should feel ill and need nursing home treatment, | 0:04:51 | 0:04:55 | |
"you could end up with having this taken off of you by the Council to pay for it." | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
Then he went on to say about his wife dying of cancer, | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
and so of course we were very sympathetic with it, | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
and how much it cost for her to go into a nursing home. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:11 | |
So that was the theme he was on. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
-So that had a bit of resonance? -Yeah, I wanted to get something done. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:19 | |
Then he dropped in the price of £950. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:25 | |
For the £950, he said he'd set up a property trust | 0:05:25 | 0:05:30 | |
that would protect them from having to sell hearth and home | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
to cover any future nursing care. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
He then offered to set up for Wendy to have | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
power of attorney, in case her parents' mental health declined. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
Bang, another £250. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
Almost like that, you were up to over £1,000. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
-Exactly. -He's just sold us other services | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
before he's even mentioned the wills... | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
Oh, yeah, we mustn't forget the wills. | 0:05:57 | 0:05:58 | |
You know - what he actually came for in the first place...? | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
So far, our silver-tongued salesman had given the family | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
a bill of over £1,000 to pay between them. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
He drafted out the wills at a cost of £47 each. Done? Not quite. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:15 | |
There was an additional fee of £25 apiece to store the wills. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
After all, "you wouldn't want them lying around the house, would you?" | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
So - the total that the family would now have to pay... | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
All this, after only being with our man for two hours. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:34 | |
-You've gone to over £1,000... -I know. It's unbelievable, isn't it? | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
-How did he get away with that? -Smoke screen...? I don't know. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
Whatever it was, it was done very slick. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
"You can come back and you can alter it any point of time..." | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
And of course we're sitting there doing the nodding dog... | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
Your main objective, if you were trying to con somebody would be to | 0:06:52 | 0:06:58 | |
get in, to get either a cheque from them or some money from them, | 0:06:58 | 0:07:02 | |
and to be able to get out as quickly as possible. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
I said, "I can't afford £1,094, three cheques. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:10 | |
"I'll take one now for £494 - two post-dated cheques for £600." | 0:07:10 | 0:07:16 | |
'Wendy also handed over HER cheque for £322.' | 0:07:16 | 0:07:21 | |
There was no urgency to pay there and then - you could have | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
had as long as you want to say, "We've checked into it, it all looks fine. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:30 | |
-"You hand me the documents, I'll hand you the money". -Yes, | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
we could have done. With afterthought. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
A big word, "afterthought". | 0:07:37 | 0:07:38 | |
The con artist left clutching the family's cheques. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
Unsurprisingly, he didn't hold on to them for long. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
The next day, those cheques were cashed. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
-All three? -Not the two post-dated - but her cheque, my cheque. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:55 | |
-OK. -He'd banked it so quick, I said, "This is bad." You don't do that. | 0:07:55 | 0:08:03 | |
'They were starting to fear something was very wrong.' | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
This was the only paper he gave us. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
At the bottom there's a Canterbury number, | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
so I phoned up and I said, | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
"This chap came round and didn't leave us any paperwork." | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
She said, "I'll make sure he gets it to you." Nothing. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
"Can you get somebody to phone me and tell me what we've bought?" | 0:08:21 | 0:08:27 | |
Nothing. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
I said, "We're coming down. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:31 | |
"There must be a solicitor somewhere in your building." | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
"No, we're just a call centre. We just take messages." | 0:08:35 | 0:08:41 | |
It dawned on the family they had given the cash to a company | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
with no actual address they could directly ring or physically visit, | 0:08:44 | 0:08:49 | |
and they had nothing to show for their money. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
So, back to the Trading Standards. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
She said, "I don't like the sound of this - | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
"you know you can go for court action?" | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
After starting court proceedings, they had to wait a fortnight for the company's reply. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:05 | |
When it came, it was shocking. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
They did have the front, didn't they, to counterclaim. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:12 | |
When we took them to court, they counterclaimed. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
-We - I - owe them £400. -For what? -Exactly. What, profits? | 0:09:15 | 0:09:20 | |
After receiving no paperwork of any kind, | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
the family had sensibly cancelled the post-dated cheques | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
and now the company were claiming they were owed the money. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:31 | |
It seems ludicrous, | 0:09:31 | 0:09:32 | |
but crooks will sometimes use the court system to their advantage. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:37 | |
Two reasons - one, it can scare off those claiming against them, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
and second, the process of claim and counterclaim can be lengthy, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:45 | |
He said at the time that he was a member of the Institute of Willwriters. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
When I rang the Institute of Willwriters up - | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
"No, they're not a member." | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
They met the salesman a few months back, but the family has | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
only recently had its first direct contact from the company. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
Wendy gets a letter two weeks ago from them. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
The only letter ever to have ever plopped through the door, | 0:10:07 | 0:10:12 | |
saying they're moving, | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
they're moving address up to Essex. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
Yeah - "As from the 1st June, our new address, e-mail as above. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
"Any future correspondence should be sent to the address. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:25 | |
"If I can be of any further assistance to you, | 0:10:25 | 0:10:30 | |
"please do not hesitate to contact me"(!) | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
We checked that address out. There is a business centre there, | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
but it's only a business messaging address. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
-There's no... -The same as the other one. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
Yeah, there's no physical address there at all. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
-Can I paint a picture for you? -Yeah. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
What I think it's more likely that we're dealing with, is someone | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
who operates from their own home. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
It may even be the guy you met - who probably isn't using his real name. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
And he's sending all the letters out himself, | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
he's using mailing addresses rather than real physical addresses, | 0:11:01 | 0:11:06 | |
so he can hide where he genuinely is operating from - | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
and he comes out, he takes money from you, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
he leaves you with meaningless documents, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
and when things become a bit sticky and people start complaining | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
and taking out court cases against him, he moves on. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:24 | |
He changes the name of his company, | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
he moves on, and does the same thing over and over again. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
I think, just from my experience - and I'm not a policeman, | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
I'm not a lawyer - I think that's what we're dealing with here. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
'Despite cancelling the post-dated cheques, | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
'the family are having to face up to the harsh truth | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
'that between them, they've been conned out of £816.' | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
-Do you think you ever stand a chance of getting your money? -No. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
I think it's gone. | 0:11:57 | 0:11:58 | |
I cannot see why it happened. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
It seemed so bona fide in the beginning - | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
but to be ripped off like that... | 0:12:05 | 0:12:07 | |
-I just feel so gullible. -You do, don't you? | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
Yeah, I feel so gullible. And I can't believe, if we've taken them | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
-to court, that we're not going to get anything back. -No. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
And I thought, well, at least one thing, | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
she did do two post-dated cheques which we stopped... | 0:12:21 | 0:12:25 | |
But it still leaves a sour taste in your mouth that you've been | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
scammed out of hard-earned cash. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
You think, "Where are my brains?" | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
What do you make of what he did now, knowing what you know? | 0:12:34 | 0:12:39 | |
What I know now... | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
I feel I could strangle him if I could get hold of him. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:48 | |
So when there are unscrupulous companies out there who just | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
want to steal from you, what's the best way to go about getting | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
your affairs in order and getting that peace of mind? | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
As a solicitor, I would say go and see a solicitor. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
I would also encourage you to get a recommendation - | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
so ask amongst your friends, your work colleagues. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
One advantage of using a solicitor over some will writing firms | 0:13:10 | 0:13:15 | |
is that your documents are protected by law even if they go bust. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
They can't be just abandoned on a rubbish heap, or left to be | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
stored in a barn - and both of those are examples that I know of. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
As a possibly cheaper alternative, there are plenty of reputable | 0:13:26 | 0:13:31 | |
will-writing companies around, if look carefully. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
It's worth considering how long this business has been established, | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
so if you receive a leaflet through the door or in a supermarket, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
is it going to be around in three, five years' time? | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
And before handing over any money, | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
make sure you know what you're paying for. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:51 | |
Ask for a quote. So if you're asking for a will, | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
ask for a specific quote as to how much it is going to cost. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
Always make sure that you have something in writing to tell you | 0:13:57 | 0:14:02 | |
what you are committing to. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
The Ash family are continuing their court action | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
to chase down the company that conned them. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
They don't want the same thing to happen to others. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
Will-writing scams are so hot right now, | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
and here is what I think makes them despicable. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
They operate on people at their lowest point, | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
when they're worried about their families | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
and what's going to happen to them after they're gone. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
None of the victims of these scams are trying to get rich quick - | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
they're just trying to buy a little bit of peace of mind, | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
and to take advantage of that is unforgivable. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
Now for the story of a very different kind of scam. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:48 | |
With the huge number of people who now use the internet, | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
and the vast array of online scams that are out there, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
it's sometimes easy to forget that there are still people who do it | 0:14:53 | 0:14:57 | |
the old-fashioned way - by getting on the phone | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
or knocking on your door. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
It's December 2010, and at Mold Crown Court in North Wales | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
a builder and his accomplice are about to go on trial. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
They stand accused of scamming elderly women out of over £100,000. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:18 | |
Sadly, all of the women targeted by the couple | 0:15:20 | 0:15:25 | |
were very upset by the experience, and can't talk about what happened to them. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:30 | |
One of the women was Sylvia, a quiet pensioner who lived alone | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
in this smart bungalow near the North Wales coast. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:38 | |
Nicola is Sylvia's neighbour. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
She moved back here after her husband died. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
She was 72, and she didn't know anybody in the village. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
But one day Sylvia had a knock on the door from a man called | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
John Davies, who claimed to be a builder. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
The first thing we saw him doing was the flat roof on the garage. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
He seemed to be doing a bodge job, | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
but she was adamant the work needed doing. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
Nicola didn't like what she saw, | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
and was concerned that Davies was taking advantage of Sylvia. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
My husband had been round to see Sylvia, to see if she was OK. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
She said she was, she said it was work that needed to be done. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
And we went a few more times, but she was adamant that everything was fine. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
Sylvia paid Davies for the work on the garage roof, | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
but it wasn't long before he was back again. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
As time went on, he started doing more and more jobs. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
Taking the greenhouse down, laying stones over the lawn. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:38 | |
The work appeared to be bodged and unfinished, | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
yet Davies was charging Sylvia large sums of money. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
Cheques varying from £1,000, £2,000 and up. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:50 | |
And we were really surprised | 0:16:50 | 0:16:52 | |
because, for the work he'd done, | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
how much he'd actually taken off her, | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
knowing that a few stones for the garden, | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
with no prep work, doesn't cost that much money. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:06 | |
Nicola could see it was taking its toll on Sylvia. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:11 | |
You'd go around and there'd be no food in the house, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
so you'd have to take food. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
And this was just her way of thinking then - | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
"He's taken all my money and I haven't got any." | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
But Sylvia wasn't alone. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
Margaret's elderly neighbour, Noreen, | 0:17:23 | 0:17:27 | |
lived alone in a chalet in north-west Wales | 0:17:27 | 0:17:29 | |
and was also targeted by Davies. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
Noreen had was happy there on her own. She had her books, | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
she used to read loads and loads of books in her garden. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
And then John Davies appeared on the scene. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:41 | |
Again, it seems it began with a knock at the door. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
The first thing he did was repair her roof, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
but then he was supposed to be doing other jobs, | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
keeping the chalet in good order. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
But instead, Davies charged Noreen thousands of pounds | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
for bodged-up work. | 0:17:57 | 0:17:59 | |
She accepted everything that he said to her | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
and never questioned anything. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
And for Davies, it was like having a blank cheque. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
Gradually, he seemed to worm his way in. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
He started taking her to get her pension | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
and to get her money from the bank. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
It was clear John Davies needed to be stopped, | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
and fortunately, in Sylvia's case, | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
the authorities had got wind of what was going on. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
The hospital security knocked on my door | 0:18:27 | 0:18:31 | |
to say they'd had concerns raised about Sylvia | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
and would I mind going round and seeing how she was. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:38 | |
He was going to inform the police. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:40 | |
Detective Sergeant Peter Jarvis works for North Wales Police | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
and would lead the investigation into John Davies. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
He recalls the state Sylvia was in | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
when officers first went to see her with Nicola. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
She was blue. Her hands were blue. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
There was no heating on in the house. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
There was no food in the house. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:02 | |
And we had a chat to her | 0:19:02 | 0:19:03 | |
and she was convinced that John Davies had taken all her money. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:08 | |
And he was probably living the life of Riley while she was struggling, | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
and worrying herself... | 0:19:12 | 0:19:14 | |
She was making herself ill, really. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
But the police were on the case | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
and the first thing they needed to do | 0:19:19 | 0:19:21 | |
was take a full statement from Sylvia. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
Although she was traumatised by what had happened, | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
she bravely agreed to be interviewed. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
It's very difficult, | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
because you want to appeal to them. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
You want to get the best evidence you can from speaking to them | 0:19:32 | 0:19:36 | |
and yet at the same time, you want to care for them | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
and make sure that their welfare is the paramount | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
and you're putting their welfare before anything else. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
So that she wouldn't have to testify in court, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
Sylvia's interview with the police was recorded on video. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
And the following clips from her video interview | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
give a shocking insight | 0:19:54 | 0:19:56 | |
into the way Davies convinced her he was her friend. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
And by going through Sylvia's bank statements, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
the police had been able to establish | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
that Davies charged Sylvia | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
a staggering £12,000 for the work he'd done. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
John Davies' ruthless tactics came as no surprise to the police. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:49 | |
It turned out he had over 70 previous convictions | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
and in 1998, he'd been sentenced to three and a half years inside | 0:20:53 | 0:20:58 | |
for defrauding an elderly lady out of £1,000. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
Having worked in the area where he now lives, | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
obviously I was well aware of the type of person he is | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
and his family and all his associates as well. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
The challenge now was to stop Davies once and for all. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:16 | |
The option available was we swore out a warrant under the Theft Act | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
to go and execute a warrant at John Davies' home address. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
Armed with a search warrant, | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
a team of officers from the police and Trading Standards | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
turned up at the house John Davies shared with his partner, Rhian Jones, | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
who, it later turned out, was also his partner in crime. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
During that search, | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
we recovered in excess of £40,000, £45,000 cash | 0:21:36 | 0:21:41 | |
which was strewn across the house, | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
underneath cushions and under chairs. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
In drawers, within bedrooms and the living room - all over the house. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:49 | |
The police also seized bank statements | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
and other relevant paperwork | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
and later that day, | 0:21:53 | 0:21:54 | |
Davies was arrested and interviewed under caution. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
The following is a clip from the interview | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
in which DS Jarvis asks Davies to explain | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
all the cash that was found around his house. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
Why is that money not in the bank? | 0:22:08 | 0:22:09 | |
-Well, you know, I'm a Gypsy. -Yeah. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
-And I told you all along, I'm not good with paperwork. -Yeah. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
And when you go in sometimes it says, "Fill this" and, "Do that", | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
and I'm not trying to hide from nobody, | 0:22:19 | 0:22:21 | |
I've just thrown it there. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:22 | |
If I wanted to hide it, I would dig a hole in the ground | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
and stick it there, wouldn't I? | 0:22:25 | 0:22:26 | |
I've got nothing to hide, so why shouldn't I leave it there? | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
Is there a law against that? | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
Davies maintained the work he'd done for Noreen and Sylvia | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
was completely legitimate. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
I'd gone there 100% to do the work the best I can | 0:22:40 | 0:22:46 | |
and if the job is not up to standard, | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
I can't see where I've done wrong. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:50 | |
While Davies carried out the work, | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
it seems his partner and accomplice, Rhian Jones' role, | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
was to try and conceal their ill-gotten gains. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
And it was estimated the couple had taken in excess of £100,000 | 0:23:00 | 0:23:04 | |
from Sylvia and Noreen alone. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
But to build a watertight case against the couple, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
DS Jarvis and his team | 0:23:12 | 0:23:13 | |
needed to prove that Davies had overcharged his victims. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:17 | |
So he called in a chartered surveyor | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
to assess and value the work that had been done. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:23 | |
The cost of the work by the contractor was near enough £10,000 | 0:23:23 | 0:23:28 | |
and my valuation was £2,500, | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
which is substantially less than the amount paid. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
But it wasn't just the cost of Davies' work that was so shocking. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
Some of his work was just horrendous. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:41 | |
A child could have performed better | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
on some of the painting contracts I've seen carried out. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
The police now had enough evidence to take both Davies and Jones to court. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:53 | |
And it didn't take long to get a result. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
John Davies pleaded guilty | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
at Mold Crown Court to 18 indictments | 0:23:58 | 0:24:00 | |
and then following a two-day trial, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
Rhian Jones was convicted and found guilty by a jury | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
of five indictments. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:08 | |
John Davies' convictions included fraud and theft | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
whilst Rhian Jones was found guilty of concealing criminal property. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:17 | |
Jones was sentenced to two years in jail, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
while Davies got four and a half years. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
It was a great result for North Wales Police, | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
who'd worked with Trading Standards, social services, | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
and the health authorities, | 0:24:32 | 0:24:33 | |
and it was justice for the innocent pensioners preyed upon by Davies. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:38 | |
Sylvia was extremely happy that he was in prison. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
Very happy. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
She wasn't worried about the money. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
She was just happy to see that he got... | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
That she got justice, basically. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
For more information about protecting yourself | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
and those around you from scams, go to... | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
Now, before I go, I want to tell you about | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
some of the latest scams out there right now. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:12 | |
I'm meeting with an expert from the National Fraud Authority | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
and today we're looking at one of our biggest expenses - cars. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
Let's talk about vehicle scams. What's doing the rounds right now? | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
What's happening now is | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
people are phoning up to say that they have buyers for your vehicle | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
and if you pay a fee, | 0:25:37 | 0:25:39 | |
they will introduce you to those buyers. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
So you pay the fee and, of course, the introduction never materialises. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:46 | |
-It's that simple. -It's that simple. -Nothing turns up. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
Quite simply, be very wary of anybody you don't know | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
that wants any sort of finder's fee for getting you a buyer. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
That's not the only car-related scam. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:58 | |
What else could I expect? | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
We see people from abroad contacting you by e-mail to say, | 0:26:01 | 0:26:05 | |
"I want your vehicle." | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
OK, your car is £2,500, | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
I've arranged for a cheque for £5,000, | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
please use this £2,500 as the shipping fee, | 0:26:14 | 0:26:19 | |
so please transfer this money to this account | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
to pay for the shipping fee. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:24 | |
The cheque will be counterfeit. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
If you paid them the £2,500 and sent to this account, | 0:26:26 | 0:26:32 | |
you've lost that money as well. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:34 | |
That's pretty harsh. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
No matter how tempting the amount on the cheque is | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
to buy your car and ship it, it will be fake. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
Any cash you send in return will be lost for ever. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
Con men will continue to come up with ever-more ingenious ways | 0:26:45 | 0:26:50 | |
of depriving you of your savings. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:52 | |
If you recognise the warning signs, | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
you can stay one step ahead of the con men. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
Stay safe. See you next time. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
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