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This programme contains some strong language | 0:00:02 | 0:00:07 | |
Fraud is the national problem none of us can afford. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
A staggering ?20bn stolen last year from the state - | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
that's more than all of next year's welfare cuts. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
I'm Richard Bilton. In this series, I'm on the front line | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
with the investigators fighting fraud. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
This is a 65-inch. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
That's about how tall I am. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:24 | |
Tonight, the people getting financial support from the state | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
before spending thousands doing up their property. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
Why don't you BLEEP off? | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
CHEERING | 0:00:33 | 0:00:34 | |
The woman who won almost ?100,000 on a game show, | 0:00:34 | 0:00:38 | |
but carried on claiming. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
It's not fair what you're doing. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
And the man doing house clearances | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
while claiming disability payments in two names. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
Hold it there. Put it down. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
I've got the heavy one. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
HE MUTTERS INCOHERENTY | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
Last year, fraudsters stole vast amounts of cash | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
from councils already under pressure. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
But some councils have found a new way to fight back. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
When I start going through people's bank statements, | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
it is like sifting for gold. It makes you wonder about everybody's | 0:01:30 | 0:01:34 | |
secret life and what people are doing behind closed doors. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
Zoe Neale's job is to get the stolen money back. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:42 | |
She's Croydon Council's first financial investigator. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
When fraudsters are convicted, she starts hunting for the cash. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:52 | |
I work under the Proceeds of Crime Act, so I'm looking for | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
any unidentified cash, a property or a car or some jewellery. | 0:01:55 | 0:02:00 | |
Through the courts, fraudsters can be forced to hand money back. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
That's important given how much is being stolen - | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
?2.5 million from Croydon alone last year. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
52 grand for a watch. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
But it's not easy. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:19 | |
These are the papers for Zoe's first ever case - | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
it's a complicated one. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
So that, that's a lot of paperwork. It is. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
It's one of the biggest cases any council has tackled. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
From an investigator's point of view it's everything. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
You name it, it's in this case somewhere. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
It's the case of Ovo Nelson Mayomi. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
He came here from Nigeria using a false passport | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
and married a British citizen, Juliet Ubiribo. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
All that I have I give to you. All that I have I give to you. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
But the happy couple kept their wedding a secret from the council. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:59 | |
For years, Juliet Ubiribo claimed benefits as a single mum, | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
and Ovo Mayomi used a fake ID to pose as her landlord. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
How much money then did they falsely claim, | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
if you lump everything together? | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
Their benefit overpayment was about ?43,000. Wow. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
He was sentenced to 30 months in prison and she was sentenced | 0:03:16 | 0:03:21 | |
to 12 months in prison, but it's been suspended. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
Having spent so much time on this case, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
what do you think about these two? | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
Well, they are liars and they're cheats, | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
and they've stolen from the taxpayer. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
Mayomi is out of jail, but Zoe is after him. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:37 | |
She wants the stolen cash back. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
To get the ?43,000, | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
Zoe has spent two years checking out what the couple own. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
And they've got expensive tastes. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
The watch that Juliet Ubiribo had, | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
it'll be similar to those sorts of watches. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
Zoe is in London's West End to value a Rolex watch | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
found at the couple's house. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:13 | |
It's steel and gold with ten diamonds around it. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:21 | |
The watch at the back, it's new, that's worth ?8,400. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
She's already got a legal order to stop the couple selling the watch. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
Now she wants to find out how much it might be worth to the council. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
We've had it valued. It is a genuine Rolex and they have valued it. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
Now the valuation, he said it's between ?12-to-1,400, | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
so the average is ?1,300. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:48 | |
I'm intrigued because this was a person who was claiming benefits | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
on the basis that she was a single parent struggling to make ends meet, | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
and yet she bought a watch, and not just a watch, but a Rolex watch. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:58 | |
The Rolex is just the start. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
She needs to find a lot more | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
if she's to get back all the cash stolen from the council. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
Further north is another council fed up with its fraud bill. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:24 | |
This is Stoke on Trent, | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
where one in four households are on benefits. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
Most need them to survive, but a few are on the fiddle. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:35 | |
If I was at home, committing fraud or money laundering, | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
you know, it comes at a price. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
Somebody might be watching you one day, or finding you and catching you. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
Steve Prince is a surveillance expert. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
What's it like being the watcher, though? | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
It's OK, because you don't know what you're going to see, | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
so I enjoy it from that angle. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:56 | |
When that moment happens that it's crucial to the case, | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
it can give you satisfaction when you see what you want to see. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
Do you think you've got a natural feel for it? | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
I suppose so, yeah. Yeah. Naturally a nosy person as such, | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
or observational wise, you have to be that way. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
But the other side is 10/12 years' experience as well, so... | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
It feels a bit like a big game, you know? | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
Is that how it feels from your side? | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
Yeah. It's a game. They are playing the game of taking money | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
that they're not entitled to, | 0:06:22 | 0:06:23 | |
and somebody has got to play the game of trying to catch them, really. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
On this estate there are single mums who use benefits to make ends meet, | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
but there is one here who's attracted | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
the attention of the fraud team. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
Caroline! | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
Caroline Banana got a place on the game show Deal or No Deal - | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
a chance to earn a lot of money. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
She currently gets benefits - income support, housing benefit, | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
single person discount on her council tax - | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
and free school meals for her kids. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
Now, seeing a mum from Stoke on the telly | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
caught Steve's boss's interest. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
He was backing her. If she won, she wouldn't need benefits any more. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
If that was your target, Caroline, | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
the offer to you now is ?35,000. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
CHEERING | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
..but no deal. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
She was offered ?35,000 by the banker, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
and she's turned that down and elected to carry on. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
She's got rid of the ten pence, so she knows she's in for a good win. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
'If you were prepared to stop now, | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
'he would write you a cheque for ?95,000.' | 0:07:35 | 0:07:40 | |
SHE SCREAMS When Noel said ?95,000, | 0:07:40 | 0:07:45 | |
I was just ready for the question. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
She won 95,000 - result - but then she cheated. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:53 | |
She banked the cash and kept on claiming. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
I would love to win ?95,000, | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
but given the fact that she's claiming the full benefits... | 0:07:58 | 0:08:02 | |
The council is paying for her rent, paying her council tax... | 0:08:02 | 0:08:08 | |
It's quite distressing, really, when you think how many people | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
are really in a difficult situations, and here's someone who has | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
just walked away with a tax-free lump sum of ?95,000, | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
and yet feels it's OK to continue claiming all the benefits she can. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
She should have been in explaining to us | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
that she's won this money and that she no longer wishes to claim. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
So Steve has been called in. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
It's a big part of the job, lots of hours doing nothing | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
for five minutes of action...usually. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
He'll look into every area of Caroline Banana's life. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:44 | |
It might feel intrusive, | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
but the council say they need to know the score. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
After her win, she's put ten grand in tax-free savings accounts, | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
bought a four-by-four and kept on claiming. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
That's Caroline just going to her car... | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
at the end of the day. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
And I'm just pulling away to get somewhere in front of her, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
cos it would be better if she overtakes me | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
rather than me just follow her straight from work. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
Steve suspects Caroline is involved in a number of fiddles. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
Serious cheats often have different frauds on the go at the same time. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
What's the trick to this not getting spotted? | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
It helps being in rush hour. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
Most people can only go one way at this place. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
She's looking in her rear view, so I'm just dropping it. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
Oh, right. She is going that way. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
I'd rather not take her down that way | 0:09:41 | 0:09:42 | |
cos you have to be careful that somebody might have spotted you. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
With a bit of luck, I can maybe go that way | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
and just catch her coming out the other end of the road. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
She could have pulled into a friend's house. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
She could have nipped out of here by now | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
and gone down to the main road. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
But with a bit of luck, I can let her in like that. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
Here. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:04 | |
It's nice when you can let somebody in like that. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
Can you believe your luck? | 0:10:08 | 0:10:09 | |
Experience, not luck. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:10 | |
So, if she thought we were following, | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
there's a good chance she's probably not now. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
It's been a good day for Steve. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:22 | |
Now he'll check what she told the council when she first claimed. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
If she lied, she'll be charged. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
I'm in Knightsbridge. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:50 | |
I'm not used to coming to places like Knightsbridge. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
I spend most of my time either at court, | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
in the office, or at police stations. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
Zoe's on an unusual trip to the shops. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
She's trying to get cash and assets back from a convicted fraudster, | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
and she needs to get a few prices. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
We're here to visit Bang and Olufsen | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
because Mr Mayomi had bought equipment from them, | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
so we are here today to have a look at what he purchased. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
Receipts found on Mayomi's computer | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
show he came here to buy televisions and music systems. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
I have never seen anything like that. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
I don't know what this is. I think it's a speaker of some sort. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
(I don't know.) | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
I do feel really unsophisticated | 0:11:38 | 0:11:39 | |
because I don't know what half this stuff is. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
Wow. How much is that? | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
In round figures, that's about ?10,000, thereabouts, | 0:11:47 | 0:11:52 | |
there or thereabouts. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:53 | |
Wow. ?10,000 for a television set. Yes. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
And those speakers? | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
They are ?15,000 for a pair. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
?15,000. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
Mr Mayomi spent almost ?90,000 here. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
This is a newer model than was purchased at the time. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
This TV system, without the speakers, is approximately ?16,900. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:21 | |
So, how large a screen is this? | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
This is a 65-inch. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
That's about how tall I am. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:27 | |
This is important. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
High-value goods might help Zoe get back the money the couple stole, | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
but her search throws up an even bigger surprise. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
Wow. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:44 | |
I've made enquiries in Nigeria and he, we believe, | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
owns a large house in Nigeria. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
Wow! That is a large house, isn't it? Yeah. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
I think it's got five bedrooms. Five bedrooms. | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
The building at the back, this will be either a "boys' quarters", | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
that will be for the servants, or else it may be a rental property. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
It's thought Mayomi spent tens of thousands on this place. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
Here is the photographs that the forensic examination | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
found on Mayomi's computer. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:15 | |
He spent three grand on chandeliers... | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
..a must-have for your mansion. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:23 | |
And how much is that worth? | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
I have valued that by comparing it with similar properties | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
found in the same estate. I valued that at over a million pounds. Wow. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:36 | |
She has uncovered other assets. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:37 | |
He owns land in Nigeria. He's got a fish farm in Nigeria. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:42 | |
His company paid for a watch that's valued at ?25,000. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:47 | |
Wow. So, this is a benefits cheat who has assets, you believe, | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
of more than a million pounds, 1.12. Yes. That's extraordinary. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
But what does that feel like, | 0:13:54 | 0:13:55 | |
when it all comes together and you see this big figure? | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
I was very pleased and relieved. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
A lot of my cases I find people have spent the money, | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
but this is something we can use in a confiscation order. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
Mayomi is a bad lad. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
As well as making tens of thousands in benefit fraud, | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
it's thought he's handled hundreds of thousands made through crime, | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
and Zoe is after that as well. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
Although I'm a civilian, I have the powers of an accredited | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
financial investigator, so I can pursue enquiries under | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
the Proceeds of Crime Act and the Criminal Justice Act. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
We're going to go ahead with the confiscation. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:33 | |
This will take time, so it's not going to happen overnight. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
It's a gamble, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
but Zoe thinks Mr Mayomi's assets have been gained illegally | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
and she is going after the lot. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
In Stoke, Steve is examining the Deal or no Deal footage. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
Caroline Banana is meant to be a single mum, | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
but here she looks very close to her ex. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
I was ready to deal. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
I knew this was it and I was just over the moon. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
I just couldn't believe it. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
And her Facebook profile isn't that of a single woman. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
I've been checking that for months and months and months. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
And what have you found? | 0:15:19 | 0:15:20 | |
The important thing we found were in the photo section. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
And there they are together, | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
and they're making a joke about their surname Banana. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
To me, it puts both of them on holiday. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
It's not painting a picture of people who aren't getting on. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
Even the jokes that are being made down here are kind of evidence | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
because people are presuming | 0:15:37 | 0:15:38 | |
that this is a normal situation. That's right. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
They're just happy for them. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
There's no surprise that that picture has been taken. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
Nobody's thinking, "What's going on here?" | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
This guy, Mr Banana, that wasn't his name on Facebook, was it? | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
No, no. He's used the surname Tharbo a few times. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:53 | |
With knowing that surname, | 0:15:53 | 0:15:54 | |
I checked that one out and this is what came up. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
Here's Michael Tharbo... Is that the two of them there? | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
Yeah. And it's actually still got "married to Caroline Banana" on. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
There's a picture of them together. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
Remember, these split up in 2008. Right. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
He's had four years to remove that. And change his picture. Yeah. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
Cos these two people, they're getting money | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
because they're not together as a couple. That's right. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
But they're showing the world pictures of them on holiday. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
He's getting money up in the Stockport area as a single chap | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
with children, and she's getting benefits and money | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
in Stoke as a single parent. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
But seeing something on Facebook | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
and proving it in court are two very different things. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
Steve needs evidence. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:32 | |
They are just leaving now. The missus is just coming out now. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
That's Caroline just underneath that big window on that flat behind. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
Living together fraud is very common - | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
it costs the country ?168m a year. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
Steve is watching to see if Caroline | 0:16:52 | 0:16:53 | |
and her husband behave like a married couple. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
That's Caroline just leaving now in the Dodge | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
to take the children to school. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:03 | |
But will Mr Banana follow? | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
There isn't long to wait. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:11 | |
So, it looks like it's the husband. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
So, I can actually anticipate which way he's going and just see him. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
You've seen how the house, the gates are shut. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
Somebody's come out, shut the gates, got in the Jeep | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
and gone to work, allegedly. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
You need to be have a certain amount of time where you've been doing | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
what we've just done, because... | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
we have had people in the past say that they stayed a week cos the kids | 0:17:39 | 0:17:44 | |
are ill, or he's come down cos he's the man that does the decorating. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
What I'm doing now, I'm just going down this side road | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
and he'll be going down that main road in that Jeep...behind you. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
He's there, actually. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:55 | |
If you just turn, you will catch him going past. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
And that's classed as a good day. We've seen what we came for. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
Somebody who shouldn't be living with her. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
It's only quarter, 20 past eight in the morning. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
He's come out in a suit, looking like what he's driving there, | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
so you will see that all over the country, won't you? | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
That sort of pattern for people who are living together. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
I have been brought up on an estate with a family of nine. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
Me mother and father had nine, and none of us would ever dream of | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
claiming benefits fraudulently. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
And when people on the same estate | 0:18:33 | 0:18:34 | |
or other estates doing the same thing, it does get to you a bit. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:39 | |
People might see you and think you are a bit hard-hearted, | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
but you seem quite strong in your views. I am, yeah. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
She should be paying her own rent, council tax, paying her own bills. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:48 | |
I'm pretty sure a lot of people on that estate | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
would pay their own bills if they came into that sort of luck. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
I think, if you are claiming, it's got to be legit. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
If you come into luck or get a job you should declare it, | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
and I don't mind seeing people punished for it. | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
The Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea is one of the most | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
sought-after addresses in the country. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:11 | |
There are council houses here worth ?1m... | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
..but that can attract the wrong kind of attention. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
A fraudster who can get a subsidised place here | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
could make a fortune renting or selling. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
There he goes. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
I'm just looking at the vehicle reg... | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
so we can look him up on our system. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
Marcin is part of the council's team that's out to stop them. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
His job is to secretly film the fraudsters. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
And now we've got this. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
And in his short time with the fraud team | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
he's become a bit of an expert in surveillance. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
We do stick out. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
I used to do surveillance on my bicycle | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
and then we got a bright white wheelchair-converted vehicle. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
We had that and that stuck out like a sore thumb, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
so this is a huge step up. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
What we really need to do is get blacked-out windows, | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
kind of like that, that would be good, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
so I can just snoop on people and they can't see me. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
This is one of the team's prime targets, William Anthony. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:28 | |
He said he lived with his mum in her council flat. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
When she died, he wanted to take it over - fair enough. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
Only when they checked him out, his story didn't add up. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
The enquiries that we made into his name, William Anthony, | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
to another address in Richmond. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
So, investigator Paul Churchill dug a little deeper. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
There wasn't a William Anthony at that address, | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
but there was someone called William Stanley. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
The mobile number for Stanley | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
and the mobile number for Anthony was the same telephone number. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
So, it looks like he's got different names, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
but it's the same guy using the same phone. That's what we thought. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
To find out who they were dealing with, Paul made further inquiries. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
The Passport Agency confirmed that there are two passports, | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
one in the name of William Anthony, one in the name of William Stanley. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
So, this guy's got two passports. Two British passports, | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
and these are the pictures that the passport agency has sent to me. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
That is clearly the same guy, | 0:21:27 | 0:21:28 | |
looks like on the same day even, doesn't it? | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
And they've confirmed that, | 0:21:30 | 0:21:31 | |
after checking the General Register Office, | 0:21:31 | 0:21:33 | |
they can find no trace of a William Stanley ever being born. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:37 | |
This is a very sought-after area, isn't it? | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
Yeah, it's quite a nice area. Where are we heading? | 0:21:42 | 0:21:44 | |
We are going to Clydesdale House, which is the address | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
Mr Anthony claimed that he was living at with his mum, | 0:21:47 | 0:21:51 | |
and the address he wanted to succeed the tenancy on. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
So, this is Portobello Road, isn't it? Yeah. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
And the flat is just around the corner. Yep. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
What's the demand like around here for flats? | 0:21:58 | 0:22:00 | |
It would be high, yeah. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
You get lots of subletting around here. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
So, there is a big cash interest for him | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
to have that flat just around the corner. Oh, definitely, yeah. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
The rent here would be around ?130 a week. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
Privately, around here, it probably ?350 a week, probably more. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:17 | |
So that's why he was fighting for this flat? Yes. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
We're just coming up to the flat now - it's on the right. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
There's it is on the ground floor. Yeah. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
The council has now turned down Anthony's application | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
to take over his mum's tenancy. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
I have a hunch that he was going to buy under the Right-to-buy Scheme | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
because then he then gets like a ?75,000 discount, | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
and then he'll sell it again. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
And make a load of cash. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:45 | |
So, all of this fraud that you think you've exposed, | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
it all stemmed, did it, from him just trying to get | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
his hands on that flat? Just trying to succeed his mum's tenancy. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
But turning him down hasn't solved the council's problems - | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
it's just created another one. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
Anthony's declared himself homeless and they have to help. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
Watching and digging, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
investigators spend their time stepping into other people's lives. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
Steve's made an extraordinary discovery | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
about Mrs Banana's husband. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
Wow. It's pretty grand, isn't it? | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
'Steve has found his family came here as political refugees.' | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
His dad was President of Zimbabwe before Mugabe took over. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
Her husband's father was the President of Zimbabwe. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
Yeah, yeah. He came over with the family | 0:23:36 | 0:23:37 | |
and one or two settled in Stoke. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
So, what kind of life would he have had, do you know? | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
The family lived in the state house in Harare in Zimbabwe. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:46 | |
So unless Michael was living elsewhere | 0:23:46 | 0:23:48 | |
he was living quite well, wasn't he? A nice shower and bathroom. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
Certainly different connections to Stoke on Trent anyway. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
And you can do all this research this investigation just sat here | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
at your desk? You can do quite a lot from your desk, yeah, | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
because the internet is a big place. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
'He's been looking at the Bananas' holiday snaps.' | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
Where's this picture then? Certainly not Stoke on Trent. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
No, unless it was very warm. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
'But this is serious. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
'Steve has found that Mrs Banana spent seven weeks | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
'on holiday in Turkey while claiming benefits in Stoke. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:22 | |
'When she was there, she bought a villa. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
'The plan was to rent it out as a business.' | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
Very, very recently, she gave us a new phone number. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
Did you just whack it in Google? | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
Put it in Google and it popped up as Alanya Properties. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:35 | |
And if you look at the trading name, | 0:24:35 | 0:24:36 | |
it's registered at the address that she is living. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
Can she run a company from a council house? | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
No, a council house is for living in, not working in. Right. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
And it's a breach of tenancy. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:45 | |
So, from that you got this company. What does it do, this company? | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
There's properties in Turkey being to let and sold. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
There's pictures of the properties and how much they are going for, | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
and what you can do when you are on holiday. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
And that again is with her ex-partner, as she says. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
With her ex-partner. He is on there as well as the partner | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
of the business, the UK team, basically. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
More evidence that they are together? It seems to be, yeah. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
'But Steve needs to back up what he finds on the internet | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
'with physical evidence.' One of the prettier places of Stoke on Trent. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
And for him, the only way to do this | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
is to stay close to the Banana family. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
Now the school is 100 yards to me left. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
I don't need to be close to the school at all. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
It's probably 100/200 yards up the back there. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
This is full-on surveillance. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
His boss has given permission to stake out the children's school | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
because the teachers say it's Michael, | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
not Caroline, who picks the kids up. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
It isn't always a case of being on somebody's back | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
and filming them every five minutes of every day, | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
it's just painting a picture of what it looks like, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
and what it would look like to people in the street. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
Do they seem as a couple, | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
or a bloke appearing on the scene once a month for a day? | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
You're only trying to get to the bottom of it, the truth. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
If it ain't happening then you will never prove it, will you? | 0:25:57 | 0:26:01 | |
If it isn't fact, you don't want to prove it. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
You don't want people in trouble when they aren't doing anything. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
Is it a bit bizarre that you are sitting in Stoke on Trent | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
doing surveillance on the son of the former president of Zimbabwe? | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
Yeah, I suppose it is, isn't it? That's a bit strange, that one. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
There's not too many sons of presidents that | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
live in Stoke, I suppose. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:22 | |
Unless they're presidents of working men's club's - quite a few of them. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
Mr Banana doesn't show up, but the evidence is building. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:37 | |
Since she won ?95,000, not only has Caroline | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
continued to claim benefits, but Steve thinks she's working as well. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:47 | |
We've now got evidence of three periods of work she's done | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
when she was claiming benefit. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
There is a note there on the second of March, 2011, where they've | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
called her regarding a job coming up and she's actually said | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
she can't do it cos she is filming Deal or No Deal. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
And a crucial document has arrived. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:05 | |
It's taken us a few months to get the document from Endemol, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
who make the game show, telling us that Caroline Banana actually won | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
the money and she was paid by cheque. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
That's what we have been hoping for from day one. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
That's the golden document, really. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
The case against Caroline Banana is almost there. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
It's early morning in North London | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
and Paul Churchill is on his way to a stake-out. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
Oh, where are you? | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
He's meeting his boss. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
I think I've missed most of the heavy rain. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
It's like this all day. I reckon the weekend as well. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
It's July. I can't believe it's going to be like this for three days. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:53 | |
They're here to watch William Anthony. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
After being turned down for his mum's flat, | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
he declared himself homeless and he's on a waiting list. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
On paper, his situation looks grim. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
The council's paying for him to live in a hotel, | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
but Paul isn't sure he stays here. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
So, we are going to see if he is actually staying there or not | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
because I've got reasons to believe that he probably isn't, | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
and that that's not his main home. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:19 | |
Right at the station, up, and then on the left. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
They think William Anthony isn't homeless at all. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
He's living a double life, and what he's trying to do is commit fraud. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
We're not going to approach him today. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
It's just to see if he's here. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
Ideally, we would like to see where he is going. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
This is the hotel...just there. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
He actually lives across the road | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
because they've got the building across the road as well. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
Shall we give it a knock? Yeah. | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
But as they leave, William Anthony, their target, | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
crosses the street and walks towards them. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:12 | |
He passes by and goes into the hotel. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
We'll have to hide behind the wall or something. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
Minutes later, Anthony comes back out. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:25 | |
He gets in the van, but doesn't drive off. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
Andy and Paul have to walk past him again - it's not ideal. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
He must be the white van, that white van we just went past. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:44 | |
We spotted that he's got into the white van at the end of the road. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
My concern is that he is still sat in the car. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
If he is surveillance-aware, | 0:29:58 | 0:29:59 | |
he may realise that we've got in this car and not moved. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
And as we walked past once and come back, | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
I want to try and leave now so we can go past there. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
We are going to move forward now. Drive off. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
They drive around the block. When they return, he's gone. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:23 | |
He's gone. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:24 | |
Paul heads back to the office to carry on digging. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
What were hoping to see is where he actually lives. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
We saw him at the hotel this morning in Kilburn. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
He was at the hotel? Saw him leave. We were just going into the hotel, | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
and he walked out and got into this white van and drove off. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:47 | |
Paul's interested in that van. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
If it has a parking permit, who is it registered to? | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
We will send a fax over to Brent Council to see if they can | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
check out this number plate for us. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
Probably give them details of the names that they've got as well | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
and see if they can find anything for him. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:13 | |
I'd expect a response within a week. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
I mean, sometimes it can be within a day, so we will see. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:23 | |
But Paul doesn't want to wait, so he heads to Richmond. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
This is the address where William Anthony's fake ID | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
William Stanley has claimed benefits in the past. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:34 | |
I'll let them go past me. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
If you see the silver car over there, | 0:31:40 | 0:31:42 | |
that's another one of his cars. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:44 | |
And this is the other address | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
that he used to claim housing benefits under... | 0:31:46 | 0:31:48 | |
..in the name of William Stanley. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
Saying that, yeah. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
There's building work going on, yeah. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:08 | |
Oh, look at that white van. That's the white van. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
That's the white van we saw this morning. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:15 | |
So we know that he's come from the hotel this morning | 0:32:17 | 0:32:21 | |
back to this address. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
I think this is his main home. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
Actually, we could go and have a quick look and see | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
if there is any parking permits on that van. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
If he walks out and I bump into him again... | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
Walking over to the van... | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
..a packet of Swan Vestas in there. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
No parking permits or anything. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
I'm glad that we've seen the van now, I have to say, | 0:32:53 | 0:32:55 | |
because I didn't want to drive all this way | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
and there be nothing there at all. | 0:32:57 | 0:32:59 | |
I think this is where he lives. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
Paul's case is building slowly, but he hasn't got enough to | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
charge William Anthony or stop him getting a free council flat. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:14 | |
In Stoke, the investigation is nearly complete. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
In the case against Mrs Banana, who won 95 grand on a game show, | 0:33:22 | 0:33:26 | |
they've had another breakthrough - her bank records. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:30 | |
Overnight, we've had a reply back from Barclay's | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
saying there's three accounts in Caroline's name. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:36 | |
Now the figures of the opening balances of these | 0:33:36 | 0:33:38 | |
add up to the ?95,000. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:40 | |
So we're now... Where we were happy before that she had won money | 0:33:40 | 0:33:44 | |
on the game show, we can now show that that ?95,000 | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
has been put into her name, into her bank account at Barclays. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:51 | |
A bank statement like this is pretty useful to us | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
because it can show what somebody's been up to, where they've been, | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
what they've been doing and who they've been doing it with, so... | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
So this morning, Steve will confront Caroline Banana. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:04 | |
He thinks he can prove she claimed benefits | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
for more than a year after winning on the show. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:10 | |
See you later. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:13 | |
This is a big day. Steve's worked on the case for months. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
He's about to interview Mrs Banana, | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
but things have already started to change. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:25 | |
I delivered the letter to come in for interview last Tuesday, and since | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
then the vehicle that we have been seeing on the property every day | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
has suddenly disappeared. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:36 | |
It's not there, so you can make of that what you want. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:40 | |
And his Facebook page has been updated with "location: Stockport", | 0:34:40 | 0:34:45 | |
so you can see her reaction after | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
they are aware that they are being investigated. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:51 | |
If Caroline Banana can't come up with an explanation today, | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
she'll be charged. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:56 | |
Hi, I'm Steve Prince. I'm an investigator from | 0:35:03 | 0:35:05 | |
the Benefits Services Section from Stoke on Trent City Council. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
The time by my watch is 3.42. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
In the interview, Steve and a colleague | 0:35:12 | 0:35:14 | |
get Caroline to talk about her holiday. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:16 | |
'I went to Turkey last year for seven weeks with my whole family. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:24 | |
'It's quite a long holiday for somebody who is claiming | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
'an income-based benefit. It was... | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
'I couldn't afford to go on holiday for seven weeks. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
'It was school holidays.' | 0:35:33 | 0:35:34 | |
What does she do when that's put to her? | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
This idea that you and the other interviewer | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
can't afford to go away for seven weeks? It's a difficult one. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
She smiled and laughed a bit, but at the end of the day, | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
she could afford to go, couldn't she? | 0:35:44 | 0:35:46 | |
Is that a reasonable question? It is reasonable | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
cos people are on income support cos they've got no money. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
They are trying to feed the kids, not spend seven weeks in Turkey. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
That's the first benefit they get, some income support to live on. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:58 | |
'I bought a property in Turkey. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
'So, you bought a property in Turkey? Yeah. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
'How did you fund that? | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
'I...went on Deal or No Deal and I was fortunate enough...' | 0:36:07 | 0:36:14 | |
'Yeah.' | 0:36:16 | 0:36:17 | |
The Deal or No Deal... | 0:36:19 | 0:36:20 | |
She didn't seem to realise that, actually, that was a big admission. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:25 | |
It came out not willingly, did it? | 0:36:25 | 0:36:27 | |
It was like, "Oh, what am I saying here?" But yet she told you... | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
At that time, she didn't know we had that. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
But she told you, didn't she? Yeah. Were you surprised by that? | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
I think she was being funnelled down a dead-end street, you know. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:40 | |
You've been away six weeks, you've set up a business, | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
what's it all about? How could you afford that? | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
Well, let's listen to what she says. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
'What would you say the general public would | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
'think of that, the taxpayers? | 0:36:50 | 0:36:52 | |
'They wouldn't be happy. They wouldn't be happy.' | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
So she understands. Yeah. That's what it boils down to, yeah, yeah. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
At the end of the day, she's claiming benefits off people like myself | 0:36:58 | 0:37:02 | |
and yourself who are contributing towards that system. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
And then to go out and win that money is the time to say, | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
"Oh, thank you for your help. I don't need it any more." | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
Caroline Banana is charged - she is not happy. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:15 | |
CAMERA CLICKS | 0:37:15 | 0:37:16 | |
It's not fair what you're doing. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
But the allegations are serious, and a trial date is fixed. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:29 | |
Look at this, Marc. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:32 | |
This is the guy you saw, isn't it? | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
That's him! | 0:37:35 | 0:37:36 | |
Come on! | 0:37:38 | 0:37:39 | |
I thought their noses looked quite similar. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:41 | |
He's put on so much weight that his ears have disappeared. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:45 | |
Er, I don't know. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
The team in Kensington and Chelsea are getting closer to | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
understanding William Anthony's tangled double life. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:54 | |
This is the car that we saw the other day, | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
which was outside the hotel in Kilburn. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
They are searching the council's computer system for clues. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:06 | |
It's now been three months since he was turned down for his mum's flat | 0:38:08 | 0:38:13 | |
and he declared himself homeless. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
That's the car that got all the parking tickets, the silver BMW. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:23 | |
There are a number of cars that seem to be linked to them. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:27 | |
And that's another car. That's another car. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
There's been loads. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:30 | |
There's been loads in the past. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
For as far back as I can tell he's been claiming benefits, | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
so how can he afford the cars? | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
They've also been checking William Anthony's identity, William Stanley. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:43 | |
Not only does he have two passports, | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
he's been claiming benefits in both names. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
It's been going on for a long time, from what we can establish. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:54 | |
He's claiming benefits under the name William Anthony, | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
but this bank account is in the name William Stanley | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
and the only thing going into this bank account is Disability Living | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
Allowance, which is money from the Department for Work and Pensions. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
March - ?275.40. April - ?282.50. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:14 | |
May - ?289.60. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
The disability money that is going into this account | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
is for a William Stanley, not for William Anthony. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
William Anthony is getting money separately in his own right, | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
so this sort of shows that he is getting double money | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
under the two identities. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:30 | |
His fraud has netted him almost ?90,000 in benefits. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:35 | |
Are you ready? Yep. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
It's time to get the police involved. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
Just the fact that there are two passports | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
running at the same time should be enough. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
But, again, it's up to them whether or not they've got the manpower | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
to do the amount of addresses that we have got. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
Hopefully they will be interested in the case, and then we'll | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
arrange a date for them to come and carry out the arrest for us. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
I think I'm beyond stressed because... | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
..this is my first Proceeds of Crime case - it's a big one. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:17 | |
Zoe and her legal team are now in court. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
It's the case of Ovo Mayomi and his wife Juliet Ubiribo - | 0:40:20 | 0:40:25 | |
they're convicted fraudsters. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:27 | |
The legal action is to make them pay back the money | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
they stole from the council and anything else they made from crime. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:34 | |
Why don't you fuck off? | 0:40:34 | 0:40:36 | |
There's a lot at stake for everybody. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
For the defendant, if we win, | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
it means they will have to dispose of their assets. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
If we lose, we would have to explain about the money we'd used | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
in legal fees and in costs. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:48 | |
There's negative publicity for the council, | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
so there is a lot at stake on both sides. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:53 | |
Bang and Olufsen have been very helpful. I've done you a table. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
They are still struggling to get hold of some of the original cheques. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
Yeah. From what I remember in the previous hearing, | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
he's just disputing everything. Yes. I think... | 0:41:03 | 0:41:07 | |
Zoe wants the judge to award more than ?1m against Mayomi. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:12 | |
She has to convince the court his wealth comes from crime. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
I think that's it for the credit cards in the false ID. Yeah, it is. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:20 | |
There's a lot of bank accounts. I know. Well, there is... | 0:41:20 | 0:41:22 | |
Just revisiting this yesterday and going through it all, | 0:41:22 | 0:41:25 | |
and it's just staggering, really, the number of large transactions. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
We have identified a family connection with crime. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
So, Mr Mayomi's in-laws for instance, the Ubiribo family, | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
have been convicted of a number of criminal offences that relate | 0:41:34 | 0:41:38 | |
to drugs and money laundering. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:40 | |
So there are significant worries as to where the money's come from. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:45 | |
Good morning. Good morning. All well? | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
All well, thank you. How about you? Can I have a word? Yeah, sure. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:51 | |
Mayomi's lawyer wants a chat. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
Hopefully he hasn't brought in loads of paperwork | 0:41:55 | 0:41:57 | |
suddenly to ambush us with. | 0:41:57 | 0:41:59 | |
Well, what would happen if he did turn up with a box full of books | 0:42:00 | 0:42:05 | |
and accounting documents at this stage? | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
We are just going to have to look through it quickly. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:10 | |
News from defence camp is that Mr Mayomi has attended this morning | 0:42:19 | 0:42:23 | |
with a suitcase of documents. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:25 | |
Mayomi says the Nigerian house is owned by his parents. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:35 | |
He's produced thousands of documents to dispute Zoe's claims. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
It's a last-minute surprise that could derail the council's case. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:46 | |
What else we can find out? Hmm. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
Why didn't we know about this two and a half years ago? | 0:42:53 | 0:42:57 | |
I just don't know. | 0:42:57 | 0:42:58 | |
Mr Mayomi is a hard man to pin down. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
Croydon investigators suspect | 0:43:03 | 0:43:05 | |
he's even given the court a false address. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:09 | |
He tells the court that he lives at an address at Catford. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
However, his wife is at that address and she is claiming benefits | 0:43:12 | 0:43:16 | |
on the basis that she's a single adult in the house. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:20 | |
He is not supposed to be there. He's not registered at the address. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:23 | |
Somebody's been out to interview Mrs Ubiribo | 0:43:23 | 0:43:25 | |
and she says he visits to see the children at the weekends, | 0:43:25 | 0:43:28 | |
so I don't actually know where Mr Mayomi is. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:30 | |
We try to find out. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:34 | |
For three days, we stake out the address he's given to the court. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:38 | |
We see Juliet Ubiribo, but there is no sign of Mayomi. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:42 | |
We follow him to find out where he is actually living. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:47 | |
He hasn't been asked, as far as I'm aware, | 0:44:04 | 0:44:06 | |
to produce proof of where he lives. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:08 | |
His defence counsel may have an address that we are unaware of. | 0:44:08 | 0:44:11 | |
What's to stop him disappearing? | 0:44:13 | 0:44:15 | |
Ah, it's a good question actually. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:18 | |
What does that say about the system? | 0:44:23 | 0:44:26 | |
It's very easy to tell lies. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:28 | |
Mayomi clocks he's being followed and gives us the slip. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:34 | |
The worry is that he will do the same thing to the authorities. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:41 | |
It's summer in London and most people are enjoying the sun... | 0:44:47 | 0:44:51 | |
..but the investigators in Kensington and Chelsea | 0:44:52 | 0:44:55 | |
are having a hard time. | 0:44:55 | 0:44:56 | |
Marcin thinks he's been rumbled on a stakeout. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:02 | |
This is the son. He starts reversing into the property | 0:45:03 | 0:45:06 | |
and then he just suddenly stops, and then he just comes straight | 0:45:06 | 0:45:09 | |
towards me. And I think, "Right. He's figured out I'm recording him." | 0:45:09 | 0:45:14 | |
He's watching William Anthony, the man who has used | 0:45:14 | 0:45:18 | |
two identities to fleece the system of nearly ?90,000. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:22 | |
You thought he clocked you. And then he drove past staring at me. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
He does a three-point turn just behind me, turns around | 0:45:26 | 0:45:29 | |
and then winds his window down. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:30 | |
He looks at me and I think, "OK. I had better wind mine down." | 0:45:31 | 0:45:35 | |
And he goes, "Are you Roger?" or something like that. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:38 | |
I say, "Roger? No, I'm not Roger." | 0:45:38 | 0:45:40 | |
And then he just drove off and he didn't go to the house. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:43 | |
He just drove around the corner and disappeared. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:46 | |
Another bit of bad news is that they can't get William Anthony | 0:45:46 | 0:45:49 | |
arrested any time soon. | 0:45:49 | 0:45:52 | |
We've been waiting at least three months. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
There is just lots of red tape and there's other organisations. | 0:45:55 | 0:46:00 | |
It's very frustrating, very frustrating. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:02 | |
It's almost like he could be cleaning up his act | 0:46:02 | 0:46:05 | |
and there will be no evidence left when we do arrest him. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:08 | |
And because he hasn't been arrested, | 0:46:09 | 0:46:11 | |
William Anthony is moving up the council housing list. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:14 | |
He is at a position now where he is actually entitled | 0:46:15 | 0:46:18 | |
to more social housing, to another house. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:21 | |
He's registered with a number of disabilities, | 0:46:21 | 0:46:23 | |
so he's got the points. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:25 | |
He's actually bidding on properties, which means that, I think, | 0:46:25 | 0:46:29 | |
very soon he will be moving back into Kensington and Chelsea, | 0:46:29 | 0:46:33 | |
and be given a nice new housing association or council flat. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:38 | |
It's quite an extraordinary situation. Yeah. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:42 | |
That's him. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:47 | |
And one of the reasons William Anthony is moving up the list | 0:46:47 | 0:46:50 | |
is his supposed disabilities. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:52 | |
Mr Anthony suffers from angina, arthritic heart, hypertension, | 0:46:52 | 0:46:57 | |
arthritis in his hips and hands, panic attacks, | 0:46:57 | 0:47:00 | |
high cholesterol, deaf in one ear and has a speech defect. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:03 | |
You can see from there, | 0:47:03 | 0:47:05 | |
just from the picture that we have been able to obtain from him, | 0:47:05 | 0:47:08 | |
he doesn't walk around normally with a walking stick. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:11 | |
No. That's what the DWP want to interview him about as well. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
As well as the two identities that he's been | 0:47:14 | 0:47:16 | |
claiming DWP benefits under, the Disability Living Allowance etc. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:22 | |
Is he actually disabled in the first place? | 0:47:22 | 0:47:24 | |
From looking at him on the video, he seems pretty OK to me. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:27 | |
Appearing fit and well while claiming benefits is one thing, | 0:47:31 | 0:47:35 | |
but we've heard that William Anthony is working. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:38 | |
William Anthony, who gets benefits for a disability, seems to be | 0:47:48 | 0:47:53 | |
in business as a house clearer and I think we should see him in action. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:57 | |
He may have escaped the authorities but our team sets a trap. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:03 | |
Hi there. I'm wondering if you could help me. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:08 | |
I've got a house in Croydon that I really need to get cleared. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
What sort of price would you normally be looking at? | 0:48:11 | 0:48:13 | |
For a full load, 250 quid. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:16 | |
250. OK. Sorry, who are you? | 0:48:16 | 0:48:19 | |
Mark. OK. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:21 | |
'It's suspected he's in the removals trade with his son | 0:48:21 | 0:48:24 | |
'and we've got a job for him.' Would you bring enough people | 0:48:24 | 0:48:27 | |
so you can probably get it done in a day or in a morning? | 0:48:27 | 0:48:31 | |
In a day. In a day, OK. | 0:48:31 | 0:48:33 | |
'We've got a house for him to clear out | 0:48:33 | 0:48:36 | |
'and we've made sure it's a big job.' | 0:48:36 | 0:48:38 | |
This is it. Are you Mark? | 0:48:38 | 0:48:40 | |
Yeah, I am. Hi, I'm Tony. | 0:48:40 | 0:48:42 | |
Nice to meet you...finally. Yeah. So much traffic. Come on in. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:47 | |
Right, are you ready for this? Oh, my God. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:51 | |
Yeah. It doesn't end there either, mate. | 0:48:51 | 0:48:53 | |
There's a shelving thing there, this here... | 0:48:53 | 0:48:58 | |
the TV unit behind me. Hmm-hmm. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:00 | |
Don't open the fridge. Right. | 0:49:00 | 0:49:02 | |
THEY LAUGH It's my warning. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:05 | |
So there, this... I knew this was going to happen. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:07 | |
We waited and waited and waited for our... | 0:49:07 | 0:49:10 | |
So, you were waiting for somebody else to come? | 0:49:10 | 0:49:12 | |
And he never showed up, so that's why we was late. | 0:49:12 | 0:49:14 | |
That's fair enough. | 0:49:14 | 0:49:16 | |
You're right, there's definitely more than a load here. Yeah. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:20 | |
'It seems they're a man down, but Mr Anthony, | 0:49:20 | 0:49:23 | |
'who's told the council he suffers heart problems | 0:49:23 | 0:49:26 | |
'and struggles to walk for more than 60m, is up for the challenge.' | 0:49:26 | 0:49:30 | |
A lot of work. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:31 | |
I thought I had a lot of work on my house, but this... | 0:49:32 | 0:49:36 | |
That's that priceless Ming vase gone. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:40 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:49:40 | 0:49:41 | |
70 grand's worth. That's it. Yeah. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:45 | |
'It takes six hours to clear three tonnes of rubbish. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:55 | |
'He might be a fraudster and a cheat, but Mr Anthony can graft.' | 0:49:55 | 0:50:02 | |
Hold it there. Put it down. This is heavy. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:08 | |
I've got the heavy one. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:10 | |
Go on. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:12 | |
Our house has been cleared by a man who claims | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
Disability Living Allowance in not one, but two identities. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:19 | |
This is a man playing the system for all it's worth. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:23 | |
Mrs Banana is up in court. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:32 | |
She's agrees to plead guilty to six charges | 0:50:32 | 0:50:35 | |
and the council agrees to drop the living together charge. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:38 | |
Well, we got the result. It's what we are looking for. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:42 | |
It started off as an allegation of somebody having some money. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:45 | |
We proved it. We proved there was some work in there as well. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:48 | |
We proved that she's done stuff with the money, | 0:50:48 | 0:50:51 | |
had a lavish lifestyle for a period of time, | 0:50:51 | 0:50:53 | |
while the public are paying their rent and their council tax. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:56 | |
Just one last thought as well. Of those four things that were lost, | 0:50:56 | 0:51:00 | |
a couple of them were to do with co-habitation, weren't they? | 0:51:00 | 0:51:03 | |
I wondered whether having been with you on some of that | 0:51:03 | 0:51:05 | |
surveillance that you might be a bit frustrated by that? | 0:51:05 | 0:51:08 | |
It isn't finished on that because the information | 0:51:08 | 0:51:11 | |
I obtained on my investigation will be passed to Stockport. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:14 | |
Stockport can have a property back. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:18 | |
They can certainly bill him for | 0:51:18 | 0:51:20 | |
any benefit he's had up there whilst it seems he's been living down here. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:24 | |
CHEERING | 0:51:24 | 0:51:27 | |
Mrs Banana gets 200 hours community service | 0:51:27 | 0:51:30 | |
and has to pay back ?6,000 of benefits. | 0:51:30 | 0:51:34 | |
Stockport bill her husband for more than ?2,000, which he's appealing. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:38 | |
Hi, Mrs Banana. I'm from the BBC. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:41 | |
Was there justice done today, do you think? | 0:51:41 | 0:51:43 | |
You won all that money on the game show, didn't you? | 0:51:44 | 0:51:47 | |
And then still kept claiming benefits. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:50 | |
Is that what happened? | 0:51:50 | 0:51:51 | |
Tell me what happened. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:53 | |
What do you say to all the people who say benefits are for those | 0:51:53 | 0:51:56 | |
who need them and you were just cheating the system? | 0:51:56 | 0:51:59 | |
She didn't want to answer, but then the court has already | 0:52:07 | 0:52:10 | |
answered on her behalf, because she was guilty. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:14 | |
She had tens of thousands of pounds in the bank | 0:52:14 | 0:52:16 | |
and continued to claim benefits that are there for the desperate. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:20 | |
That's why she didn't answer. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:22 | |
Old-school criminal, that's what you told me at the time. Yeah. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:29 | |
He was a gentleman, he was, the entire time. Old-school, yeah. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:34 | |
William Anthony has finally been caught. | 0:52:36 | 0:52:39 | |
Kensington and Chelsea asked him to come in | 0:52:39 | 0:52:43 | |
to talk about his new flat, then had him nicked. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:46 | |
He was arrested for benefit fraud, cautioned, | 0:52:46 | 0:52:48 | |
so he didn't have to say anything, and then they searched him. | 0:52:48 | 0:52:52 | |
He was very calm, you know. He was very calm. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:56 | |
He was calm, yeah, like he was expecting it in some ways. | 0:52:56 | 0:52:59 | |
He made a joke about the handcuffs, saying, | 0:52:59 | 0:53:02 | |
"When did you change the handcuffs... | 0:53:02 | 0:53:05 | |
"from the old original ones with the chain in the middle?" | 0:53:05 | 0:53:08 | |
It was a good result at the end of the day. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:10 | |
We've stopped this happening. | 0:53:10 | 0:53:12 | |
We know that there is a passport that he should never have received, | 0:53:12 | 0:53:16 | |
you know, that is normally a custodial sentence anyway. | 0:53:16 | 0:53:19 | |
That's what we want to deter. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:20 | |
We want to deter people from doing this. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:22 | |
William Anthony is called in and charged. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:30 | |
He pleads guilty to six counts of fraud. | 0:53:30 | 0:53:32 | |
But on the day he is due to be sent to prison, he collapses. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:39 | |
It's the third time running sentencing has been delayed | 0:53:43 | 0:53:46 | |
because he claims to be ill. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:48 | |
So Mr Anthony is being put into the ambulance just in front of me. | 0:53:50 | 0:53:55 | |
He's clearly being taken away | 0:53:55 | 0:53:56 | |
and I think that means no court case today. | 0:53:56 | 0:53:58 | |
William Anthony enjoys a few more weeks of freedom | 0:54:02 | 0:54:05 | |
before being sent down for two years. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:08 | |
This is out of my hands. I've done my bit. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:27 | |
I want to believe that I've done a good job and I've covered | 0:54:28 | 0:54:31 | |
as many bases as I can, and I have got as much evidence as I can. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:35 | |
You do your best, you make your enquiries, but at the end | 0:54:35 | 0:54:39 | |
of the day it's up to the judge to decide what he believes. | 0:54:39 | 0:54:43 | |
It's crunch time in Zoe's case. | 0:54:43 | 0:54:45 | |
She'll hear today if all the effort | 0:54:46 | 0:54:48 | |
and money spent on trying get cash back from Mr Mayomi has worked. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:53 | |
After two years investigation, weeks of legal argument | 0:54:54 | 0:54:58 | |
and two hours of summing up... | 0:54:58 | 0:55:00 | |
SHE SIGHS ..it's all over. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:02 | |
What happened? Tell us how you feel. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:07 | |
Well, we've won, in short. Erm... | 0:55:07 | 0:55:11 | |
We won rather well, actually. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:14 | |
It's a good day. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:16 | |
Certainly the judge had the measure of Mr Mayomi and ruled accordingly. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:20 | |
He took the view in his judgment that anything that Mr Mayomi said | 0:55:20 | 0:55:23 | |
was not worthy of belief. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:25 | |
What in terms of a confiscation order? | 0:55:25 | 0:55:28 | |
He's indicated that Mr Mayomi has accrued just shy of | 0:55:28 | 0:55:32 | |
?3m through criminal conduct. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:34 | |
The amount that he has achieved is not necessarily | 0:55:34 | 0:55:36 | |
the amount that is available, but we've still got a really | 0:55:36 | 0:55:39 | |
considerable sum of just under 1.2 million. | 0:55:39 | 0:55:41 | |
So, that has been ordered against him. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:43 | |
He's got to pay that within six months. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:45 | |
If he doesn't pay it within six months, | 0:55:45 | 0:55:46 | |
then he's going to prison for six years. | 0:55:46 | 0:55:48 | |
'It's one of the biggest awards of its kind in the UK.' | 0:55:48 | 0:55:52 | |
Zoe's first case. Zoe's first case. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:54 | |
So how do you feel, Zoe? | 0:55:54 | 0:55:56 | |
Probably still slightly shell-shocked, I think. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:58 | |
Because I've lived and breathed this case for so long it sort of... | 0:55:58 | 0:56:03 | |
Doesn't take your life over, | 0:56:03 | 0:56:04 | |
but I feel like I practically know these people. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:07 | |
This is my first case really, so is this a normal result? | 0:56:07 | 0:56:11 | |
It's a phenomenal result. | 0:56:11 | 0:56:12 | |
You definitely deserve a big glass of wine. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:15 | |
Do you think he will pay? | 0:56:15 | 0:56:17 | |
I've no idea. I have no idea. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:21 | |
It's a question you should ask him. | 0:56:21 | 0:56:23 | |
Hi, Mr Mayomi. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:29 | |
Can I grab a word with you? | 0:56:29 | 0:56:31 | |
How did you think about that? How did that go? | 0:56:31 | 0:56:35 | |
Happy about that? | 0:56:35 | 0:56:37 | |
Nearly 1.2 million, that's a lot of money. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:39 | |
How are you going to pay that back? | 0:56:39 | 0:56:41 | |
I suppose you got six months. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:44 | |
How did it feel when you heard the judge say that he didn't see | 0:56:44 | 0:56:48 | |
any evidence that he could believe? | 0:56:48 | 0:56:51 | |
"No probity," he said, I think. | 0:56:51 | 0:56:52 | |
So you've got six months to get the 1.2 million. | 0:56:52 | 0:56:56 | |
What's your next...? Well, that's not very nice, is it? | 0:56:56 | 0:56:59 | |
What's your next step after 1.2 million? | 0:56:59 | 0:57:02 | |
You've got six months. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:04 | |
Will you pay it, do you think? | 0:57:04 | 0:57:06 | |
I don't think he really wanted to talk to us, | 0:57:10 | 0:57:12 | |
but I suppose he's got bigger things to worry about just now. | 0:57:12 | 0:57:15 | |
1.2 million in six months. | 0:57:17 | 0:57:19 | |
Next time in On The Fiddle, | 0:57:22 | 0:57:25 | |
how ordinary people try it on for a spot of free parking. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:29 | |
Can I...? No, you can't. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:32 | |
How can I calm down when my car was towed? | 0:57:32 | 0:57:35 | |
Because you have taken a disabled space | 0:57:35 | 0:57:37 | |
from somebody who needs the bay. | 0:57:37 | 0:57:40 | |
The con man on benefits with a string of businesses | 0:57:40 | 0:57:43 | |
and posh properties. | 0:57:43 | 0:57:44 | |
This is the latest manifestation of my mid-life crisis, | 0:57:47 | 0:57:51 | |
which seems to be going on forever. | 0:57:51 | 0:57:54 | |
And a seemingly respectable businessman | 0:57:54 | 0:57:56 | |
dodging tens of thousands in VAT. | 0:57:56 | 0:57:59 | |
Can we cut the film, please? | 0:58:01 | 0:58:03 | |
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