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He's carrying fishing rods on his back.

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Yeah, I've got him, Deb.

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There's absolutely nothing wrong with him, is there?

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No.

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He's fit and well but claiming disability.

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Benefit fraud costs the British taxpayer £1.6 billion a year.

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My name is Richard Bilton,

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and I've spent the last five years

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following benefit fraud investigators...

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We're about to catch criminals. I love it.

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..and the suspects they're after.

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I'm not guilty of anything.

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What they're saying I'm guilty of, I'm not.

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Yeah, under the underpass.

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In this episode, on the hunt for a benefit cheat

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with multiple identities.

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Are you Angel Duffy?

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-No.

-Are you Angel Jackson?

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If you look at this particular case,

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it's really hard to understand who this person actually is.

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We track down suspects involved in a new kind of fraud...

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I just want to have a quick word with you about your benefits

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cos you get about a bit, don't you?

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You claim here in Belgium and you claim in the UK.

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How is that possible?

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Do you want to see a fake boarding pass?

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..and the smuggler who can get in and out of airports undetected.

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They must think I'm Mickey Bin Laden,

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not Mickey Pitt.

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This programme contains some strong language.

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It's five in the morning in Croydon

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and officers from the council's fraud squad

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are preparing for an arrest.

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I've brought in biscuits.

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-Biscuits!

-I thought that we're going to need something,

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so I've got us some giant salt pretzels.

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Got biscuits

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and we can share a banana.

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Today, we're quite excited

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because we are actually going to get to meet

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Angel Jackson, or Angel Duffy.

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Andrea Cordrey and Zoe Neal usually handle petty fraudsters

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fiddling the system, but tonight's target has two identities.

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As Angel Jackson, she's a disabled, single mum,

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who gets her rent paid by the council.

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But as Angel Duffy, she's fit and well and owns two properties.

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Investigators think she's been using the two IDs

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to fraudulently claim over £100,000 in housing benefit.

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At this stage it just feels like we're opening up Pandora's Box.

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We just don't know where it's going to end.

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The plan is to arrest Angel

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and search both her homes for evidence of her crime.

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What we normally find is a stash of porn,

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a little stash of drugs

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and lots and lots and lots of correspondence.

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The last few searches I've done,

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they've all seemed to have a lot of religious texts.

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Copies of the Bible, religious pictures.

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I don't quite know why, because it does say in the Bible,

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"Thou shalt not steal."

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The team isn't sure which property Angel lives in.

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They're hoping this dawn raid will catch her by surprise.

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Hello. It's the police, do you mind letting us into the block, please?

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That's her, isn't it? I've got the picture downstairs in the car.

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There are similarities in the way she looks to Mrs Duffy

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and I've got a photograph of her, so I just want to go and get it.

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It's just scary.

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Nobody's dead. How long have you been living here, madam?

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-How long...

-A couple of weeks.

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A couple of weeks?

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Have you got any other forms of ID, madam, like a passport or anything?

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Not here, not at the moment.

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At the moment, the problem is, we think you might be Mrs Duffy.

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I know, but it's very easy, madam, to apply for a driving licence.

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This is a photo we've got of Mrs Duffy.

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Yeah, yes, that's her.

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-That's her?

-Yes.

-Looks very similar to yourself, madam.

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Let's hold those two photos up to one another.

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You must be sisters?

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Yes, I said that, yeah.

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Otherwise, she wouldn't let me stay here for free like that,

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she would not.

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That's why I even told you, that if you want,

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I can organise for her to come.

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We do believe that, you know, you are Mrs Duffy.

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So listen to my colleague.

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I'm arresting you on suspicion of fraud by false representation.

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My dear, it's just not me.

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Do you want to get yourself dressed, all right?

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I'm getting out of here now?

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Yeah, you're going to come with us to the police station, madam.

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So, do you want to get yourself dressed now?

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With the suspect under arrest, the search can begin.

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Right.

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Correspondence to an Angel Jackson and an Angel Duffy.

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This indicates she's spent over £2,000 on carpets.

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I think if she's been on benefit for years, how can she afford that?

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Oooh!

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English, Irish and Ghanaian passports are found.

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So are numerous bank cards and mobile phones.

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Oh, wait up.

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Oh!

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All 50s.

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They also find keys for the other property she owns nearby.

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Ah, they're in, the key worked.

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From outside, it looks like an average home.

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It's a bit different on the inside.

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Now, this is a telly!

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-What is that?

-It's a bar.

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A bar, yeah. There'll be alcohol on the back shelves.

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That's definitely the lady we've got.

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I'm just thinking about, when we went in, she was bold-faced...

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..very seasoned liar.

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-It sounded real.

-Mm?

-It sounded real.

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Yeah.

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They appear to have caught a sophisticated fraudster

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working the system.

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But first, they've got to make sure they've arrested the right woman.

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We lose £1.6 billion a year through benefit fraud,

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but that figure is dwarfed by what's stolen from the taxman.

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Nearly £16 billion a year,

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and the frauds are getting increasingly inventive.

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Some cigarettes, please.

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-Nice one.

-£9?

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You are the most expensive shop in London for cigarettes.

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No, man. No, no, man, no.

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-You are.

-No.

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Mickey Pitt is a smuggler

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who likes to think he offers hard-up smokers a valuable service.

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£9, £6.

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Where do you want to come?

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All I was doing was facilitating people

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to purchase these at a cheaper price.

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That's what I got sent to prison for.

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70% of the price of a packet of cigarettes comes from taxes

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and Mickey has made a lot of money

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flogging duty-free cigs on the black market.

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I didn't choose fraud, it just evolved.

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It just... I don't know,

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I'd like to have been a brain surgeon or a pilot, you know?

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I missed those opportunities.

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I don't pillage and plunder,

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but, you know, I take, perhaps, things that are not lawfully mine.

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Like the duty that I've evaded.

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But, you know,

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I can live with that.

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The type of people that buy my cigarettes know what I've done,

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and they'll say, "Good on you."

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But Mickey's no ordinary cigarette smuggler.

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He's the mastermind of an operation

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that used fake boarding passes

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to get in and out of airports undetected.

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-So, Michael Pitt?

-He's an inveterate cigarette smuggler.

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He was prosecuted by the Met police back in 2006.

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He then learned to evolve his operation.

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I've come to the headquarters of Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs,

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or HMRC, to meet officers who are investigating Pitt.

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When he was arrested, he couldn't help boasting about his scam.

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He's telling all that to you?

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Yeah, and it's fair to say he was remanded in custody.

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When he asked the sergeant why, the sergeant said,

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"Well, you've just told the officer you can go anywhere you want."

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He was remanded in custody.

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Isn't it sort of terrifying

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that you can produce counterfeit boarding passes?

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The thought behind that is really quite worrying, isn't it?

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It was really surprising to us,

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particularly the extent to which they went

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to ultimately produce boarding cards for the whole of the country.

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Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs

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started investigating Pitt

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after two of his men were caught leaving Gatwick with suitcases

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stuffed with thousands of tax-free cigarettes.

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They'd somehow managed to purchase them from the duty-free shop

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without having any form of legitimate travel.

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The UK Border Agency managed to seize a forged boarding card

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off one of them. So we were starting to put together a picture

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of how they operated.

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Two days later, at Stansted Airport,

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another member of Mickey's gang was caught with a fake boarding pass.

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Then it became apparent that this is a larger scale.

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Not only have we now got two airports,

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we have more people doing this.

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Mickey Pitt's smuggling operation

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was soon unfolding in front of their eyes.

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This was almost a machine,

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the way they, on a daily basis, they were going out, going to airports,

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coming back with the cigarettes.

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They were then going off to be sold.

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The next day, they were back at it again.

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This is Pitt looking at a whole selection

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of different boarding cards.

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The gang didn't even have to take flights.

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They'd also worked out how to use the fake passes

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to get out of the airport undetected.

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They certainly knew the rat runs, they knew how to get in,

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they knew how to get out.

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They knew the airports better, in some cases, than our own officers.

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Pitt's block of flats soon came under 24-hour surveillance.

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This is a scene with a very large, wheeled suitcase.

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And these bags are full of cigarettes?

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Both are full of cigarettes.

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And then, later that day, onward distributors came

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and collected the cigarettes.

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Officers believed the gang smuggled more than 2 million cigarettes,

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earning themselves hundreds of thousands of pounds.

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With the evidence on camera, Pitt's gang was arrested.

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I thought, "What a cocky individual."

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It was tantamount to a confession, actually,

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and it was something we served in evidence.

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I was pissed off, I was angry and I said to them, you know,

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basically, you're arseholes at your job.

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But, it didn't do me no favours.

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Didn't do me no favours.

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Mickey got five years.

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He's now out of prison, but he's not out of trouble.

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He faces being sent back to prison because of the same crime.

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You want to see a fake boarding pass?

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You wanted to see a fake boarding pass, didn't you?

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For all intents and purposes,

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it doesn't look no different from a real one.

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You take that to the airport, present it to the security man.

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He then scans that bar code, it beeps, and lets you in.

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What was it like discovering you could do this?

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Like discovering the Holy Grail.

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Mickey says producing the passes was simple -

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all he needed was a computer,

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a specialist programme and a printer.

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I mean, it's a bit embarrassing that I was able to do it with such ease,

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you know what I mean? I would just manufacture the boarding pass,

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give it to somebody, they go to the airport,

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purchase cigarettes and walk out.

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That easy.

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Unfortunately for Mickey,

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handling the fallout hasn't been so straightforward.

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I'm only allowed, in my possession at any one time, 200 cigarettes,

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50 cigars and 100 cigarillos.

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What the fuck is a cigarillo?

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He's been placed on a Serious Crime Prevention Order.

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If he breaks any of its conditions, he'll be sent back to jail.

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I'm not allowed to go to any airports.

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I'm only allowed one mobile telephone, I must get it registered.

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I'm only allowed to have £1,000 in cash at any one time.

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I should be so lucky.

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They wanted to ban me from telephone boxes for five years.

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They must think I'm Mickey Bin Laden,

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not Mickey Pitt.

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But his biggest problem comes from something investigators found

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when they searched his flat.

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Where did they find the hard drive?

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-In my kitchen.

-Can you show us? Show us.

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It's a little cupboard here, look.

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That's it in there, look, a little compartment.

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This hiding place was found to contain £3,000 in cash

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and a hard drive which was taken away for analysis.

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We were absolutely amazed at the complexity of it all.

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I think in total, there were nearly 7,000 boarding passes.

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It's a digital fingerprint that the taxman's used

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to try and work out how much Pitt made from his scam.

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The benefit that he's got from his crime will be recovered by HMRC

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under the Proceeds of Crime Act.

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HMRC is now taking Mickey to court

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to try and force him to pay back the money he stole.

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They will say to Pitt, in effect, that he has to,

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he's benefited from a set amount, he pays that money back to us,

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or he serves a default sentence, which is a further prison sentence.

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You go to prison,

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you come out, you're on licence and you have to tread carefully,

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and you kind of live with that,

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but the confiscation order, it's bollocks.

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I don't know what to think at this moment in time.

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You know?

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I feel punch drunk.

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Like I've been bashed around the ring by Mike Tyson.

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You know? That's how I feel.

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The SMS is, don't fuck with these people.

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But for every fraudster caught,

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there are plenty more trying to exploit gaps in the system.

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In 2012, I caught up with investigators in Hillingdon.

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Do you know if you can put in a number?

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Just type in 51. Double-click.

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There.

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Kiri and Yvonne are investigating a new kind of fraud

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found in the borough -

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people who fraudulently claim benefits here and abroad.

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They call it double dipping.

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So that's the address we are paying housing and council tax benefit.

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-That's the application from the DWP.

-Oh, right, yeah.

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In this case, they've got information

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that their suspect is also claiming in Belgium.

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This is the property in Antwerp, according to this information.

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The claimant's spouse owns this property.

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To arrest him, they need to make sure he is in Hillingdon

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and Google Maps has provided a clue.

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That looks like a green coloured car.

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Yes, a metallic green.

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Metallic green, yeah.

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The council has had an anonymous tip-off

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that the suspect drives a people carrier with a Belgian numberplate.

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When we looked at this property address in Belgium,

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we can see there's a people carrier outside,

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so that's quite interesting for us.

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When we do visit the address,

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we will be looking out for a people carrier here.

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They've got the evidence they need to arrest their man,

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they just need to make sure he's in the country,

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so they're going to see if they can spot

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a green people carrier outside his house.

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-This is the road.

-Right.

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Yes, I can see no...

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It's this one with the tree, the big tree.

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There's the Volkswagen.

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Right. That looks like a bottle green colour.

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That has a foreign numberplate.

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I have the number of the police team

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and I will notify them that we're parked here and waiting for them.

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Yeah.

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The man is taken away for questioning.

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These arrests are now becoming a regular event.

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Hello, sir.

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In a short time, Kiri has built up a long list of suspects

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thought to be double dipping, and he's worried about the scale.

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I don't know how far it has gone into our system,

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but it is, it is easy, and there is no way of preventing it

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unless we get in touch with them countries.

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This box is full of application forms.

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Almost all of them double dipping cases.

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Denmark, Sweden, Norway.

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Most of the Scandinavian countries.

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They're all being used to claim benefits.

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The scenario is the same.

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When someone claims that the only benefit they are receiving is

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from the Department for Work and Pensions

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and housing benefits

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and when the bank accounts or bank transactions

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show clearly there is more money going into the bank accounts,

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then questions need to be asked.

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So it's a really significant problem you're facing?

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It is, yes, yes.

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When you're coming back, you know it's raining today,

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do you want some trainers or something that will cover?

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-Yes.

-Yeah?

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Back in Croydon, the team have finished their search,

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and they are now taking their suspect to the police station

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to try and identify who she really is.

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They think she's an identity fraudster

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known either as Angel Jackson or Angel Duffy.

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It's basically based on the evidence, and the evidence,

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in my opinion, suggests that the lady we have got is Angel Duffy.

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Okey dokey, right,

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can I ask you your full name, please?

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She insists she's Angel's half sister.

0:20:270:20:29

And she's got a British passport to prove it,

0:20:320:20:35

but it's one of three found in the flat

0:20:350:20:37

they want to question her about.

0:20:370:20:38

This is this... Your passport in the name of Anderson,

0:20:380:20:42

the one that you say is yours, there's a photograph

0:20:420:20:46

of a lady in that passport

0:20:460:20:49

and I'm going to put all three side-by-side...

0:20:490:20:51

Would you say that those three people are the same person?

0:20:540:20:57

You wouldn't?

0:20:590:21:01

Diva's British passport turns out to be real,

0:21:020:21:06

and they have to release her on bail

0:21:060:21:08

while they investigate further.

0:21:080:21:10

We've got three passports in three different nationalities,

0:21:120:21:16

three different names.

0:21:160:21:18

Ghanaian... In the name of Duffy.

0:21:180:21:19

Irish in the name of Jackson.

0:21:190:21:22

-Jackson.

-And UK in the name of Anderson.

0:21:220:21:24

-I'm 100% sure...

-100% sure!

0:21:260:21:28

..it's the same person.

0:21:280:21:31

We're talking about someone who looks exactly the same.

0:21:310:21:34

Paul O'Rourke from the Department of Work and Pensions

0:21:340:21:37

has joined the team.

0:21:370:21:38

At the end of the day, it doesn't actually matter who she is

0:21:380:21:41

or what she calls herself, she can call herself Minnie Mouse,

0:21:410:21:43

it doesn't actually matter.

0:21:430:21:45

We just need to be able to prove

0:21:450:21:46

that the identities are all the same person,

0:21:460:21:49

that's really what it's about.

0:21:490:21:51

But proving that won't be easy.

0:21:510:21:54

All of her documentation appears genuine.

0:21:540:21:57

This lady has three separate National Insurance numbers.

0:21:570:22:00

That should not be possible, but she does have it.

0:22:020:22:05

It's not something that even the average Joe Criminal

0:22:050:22:09

would know how to do.

0:22:090:22:11

Then there's the driving licences, the bank cards,

0:22:110:22:14

the NHS documents, and all that money found

0:22:140:22:16

at the bottom of her wardrobe, £22,000.

0:22:160:22:21

What we're looking at is organised fraud.

0:22:210:22:24

This lady has set out to make a significant profit

0:22:240:22:30

from the public purse.

0:22:300:22:32

That letter from the landlady says, confirms that she's been a tenant...

0:22:340:22:39

David Hogan is head of Croydon's fraud squad.

0:22:390:22:42

This case, to my mind, is scratching the surface.

0:22:420:22:47

I think there are hundreds, if not thousands, of these sorts of cases,

0:22:470:22:50

of people who've got into the system,

0:22:500:22:52

and they've got so deep into the system

0:22:520:22:54

that it's really hard now to, you know,

0:22:540:22:57

if you look at this particular case, it's really hard to understand

0:22:570:22:59

who this person actually is.

0:22:590:23:02

That's the challenge the team faces.

0:23:020:23:04

If they can't prove Diva is really Angel,

0:23:040:23:08

the suspect is likely to get away.

0:23:080:23:10

Oh, this is bollocks.

0:23:170:23:19

Mickey Pitt is getting ready for court.

0:23:190:23:21

He's being prosecuted by the taxman

0:23:210:23:23

who want him to pay back the money

0:23:230:23:26

he made from his cigarette smuggling.

0:23:260:23:28

It's like a dentist appointment, I suppose.

0:23:280:23:31

It's something that has to be done.

0:23:310:23:33

Don't brush your teeth, you got to go to the dentist, ain't you?

0:23:330:23:37

The trial is taking place in Brighton.

0:23:400:23:43

It's near where Mickey's smuggling operation was first uncovered.

0:23:430:23:47

This is Gatwick Airport, it's where I used to work.

0:23:470:23:50

What memories does it bring back?

0:23:510:23:54

All bad memories. It was a horrible place to go to.

0:23:540:23:56

Full of grasses and busybodies.

0:23:580:24:00

He's done his time for that crime

0:24:020:24:04

and this hearing will determine how much he has to pay back.

0:24:040:24:07

What they're supposed to do

0:24:070:24:09

is identify how much I've obtained illegally,

0:24:090:24:11

and then they're supposed to ascertain how much money

0:24:110:24:15

I have left and what assets I have.

0:24:150:24:18

And then they would say to the court,

0:24:180:24:20

"This man has stolen £100 or £1 million," or whatever it is,

0:24:200:24:25

"and this is what he has as a result of it."

0:24:250:24:27

Mickey says he made about 40 grand,

0:24:270:24:30

and he doesn't have the assets to pay it back.

0:24:300:24:32

I got sent to prison initially for five years for smuggling cigarettes.

0:24:350:24:39

That's harsh? You don't identify this as a real crime.

0:24:410:24:45

Purchasing cigarettes at the airport and then selling them on to people.

0:24:460:24:49

It's just saving a little bit of tax.

0:24:510:24:53

Exactly.

0:24:550:24:56

There you go. It's the mentality of people, see?

0:24:570:25:01

But the taxman isn't so relaxed about Mickey's crime.

0:25:050:25:10

HMRC's barrister will be arguing

0:25:100:25:12

that the gang made nearly £500,000 and they should pay it back.

0:25:120:25:16

The judge can make a confiscation order in the full amount,

0:25:170:25:22

which is just in excess of £400,000.

0:25:220:25:26

He will give Mr Pitt time to pay that.

0:25:260:25:29

If Mr Pitt doesn't, then he's liable to be sent to prison

0:25:290:25:35

for five years.

0:25:350:25:36

It's a lot more than Mickey claims his gang made.

0:25:380:25:41

In the coming days, he will have to convince the judge

0:25:410:25:44

HMRC's figures are wrong.

0:25:440:25:46

It's rubbish. Look.

0:25:460:25:48

They're just cigarette sales, you might have bought them.

0:25:490:25:52

I'm telling you that's nothing to do with me. You know?

0:25:520:25:56

It's crazy what they're saying.

0:25:570:25:59

You know, it just doesn't add up, but I would say that, wouldn't I?

0:25:590:26:04

You see that's all I've got, look - debts.

0:26:060:26:08

Look, this is me.

0:26:080:26:10

Debts, debts, debts.

0:26:100:26:13

There's a saying in a song by Bob Dylan,

0:26:160:26:17

"steal a little and they throw you in jail,

0:26:170:26:20

"steal a lot and they make you a king,"

0:26:200:26:22

so there is me, under £200,000 that I've stolen,

0:26:220:26:25

I'm being sent to prison for five years.

0:26:250:26:28

And there are these people that are swerving hundreds of millions

0:26:280:26:31

and they're called sirs.

0:26:310:26:32

What is a sir?

0:26:330:26:35

Is that a knight in shining armour?

0:26:350:26:37

Is that a knight in shining armour who's helping people?

0:26:380:26:42

I don't try to justify it, it was wrong,

0:26:420:26:44

but on the grand scale of things, what it is

0:26:440:26:47

is I've been sent to prison for five years initially

0:26:470:26:50

because I raided the public's purse.

0:26:500:26:52

So though I take from the public's purse,

0:26:520:26:54

I reimburse them by cheaper alternative cigarettes -

0:26:540:26:57

not substandard, not dangerous, the same cigarette

0:26:570:27:01

but with a less taxation attached to it.

0:27:010:27:04

I should be knighted.

0:27:040:27:05

You know?

0:27:070:27:08

And I mean that. Well, to an extent.

0:27:080:27:12

You know?

0:27:120:27:13

But Mickey isn't up for a seat in the House of Lords -

0:27:130:27:16

he's up in front of a judge who could order him to cough up a small

0:27:160:27:20

fortune or go back to jail.

0:27:200:27:22

It's not poor old me - no, I've done wrong,

0:27:240:27:26

I should have been held accountable, but to what extent?

0:27:260:27:30

To this extent?

0:27:300:27:32

No. No chance.

0:27:320:27:34

This is bollocks, this is.

0:27:350:27:36

I'm in Hillingdon with investigator Kiri to find out more about

0:27:450:27:49

the double dipping operations.

0:27:490:27:51

Have you been surprised by the idea of this double dipping?

0:27:510:27:54

How easy it is for someone to just walk in here...

0:27:540:27:58

..put in a claim

0:28:000:28:02

for housing benefit, council tax benefit

0:28:020:28:04

and the very same afternoon could travel back to where

0:28:040:28:08

they've come from and start claiming from there as well.

0:28:080:28:12

There are claims here for benefits,

0:28:120:28:14

claims over there and there are houses here given to them

0:28:140:28:17

by the local authorities and also houses in other countries.

0:28:170:28:20

-There is no link.

-It's not a good one.

-No link to see whether they are

0:28:200:28:24

being checked or whether the checks are being carried out.

0:28:240:28:27

It is so easy.

0:28:270:28:28

One case stands out.

0:28:290:28:31

Khalid Hussain is a Belgian national with a legitimate passport.

0:28:320:28:36

He's rented a property and he asked for help from England taxpayers,

0:28:360:28:40

which we are giving it to him,

0:28:400:28:42

so the information is he's not in this country,

0:28:420:28:45

he's living in Bruges.

0:28:450:28:47

How much money is involved here?

0:28:470:28:49

The authorities in Belgium have not calculated their loss yet,

0:28:490:28:53

but our loss up to now is about £25,000.

0:28:530:28:57

Hussain's arrest is arranged for the early hours of the morning.

0:28:580:29:01

So we're just following the police team.

0:29:040:29:06

Kiri, are you ready?

0:29:090:29:10

Dawn and Doug, can you go around the back, please?

0:29:110:29:14

Morning. Hi, my name's Sergeant Quinn, I'm from Hillingdon police,

0:29:240:29:28

I've got a warrant to search these premises.

0:29:280:29:30

It turns out he's not in the country.

0:29:300:29:33

The police asked him about Mr Hussain

0:29:330:29:35

and the answer given to the police officer was

0:29:350:29:38

that he's having a holiday in Belgium.

0:29:380:29:41

A few days later and the whole family has gone.

0:29:430:29:46

Is it frustrating for you that he, he has effectively done a runner?

0:29:500:29:54

It is. It is because I've done all the work and now he's in Belgium

0:29:540:30:00

with thousands of pounds claimed by him from the taxpayers.

0:30:000:30:05

I am not able to proceed with this.

0:30:050:30:08

So where has Mr Hussain gone?

0:30:150:30:17

I'm going to try and find him in Belgium

0:30:190:30:20

and see what he's been up to.

0:30:200:30:22

-RECORDED MESSAGE:

-'..penny, Jules. You are not going to get away with this.

0:30:300:30:34

'Stupid cow, you're so thick, let go of me...'

0:30:340:30:38

Andrea's had a breakthrough -

0:30:410:30:42

she's found something which could establish the true identity of

0:30:420:30:46

the mystery woman she's arrested.

0:30:460:30:48

'I'm not letting you get away with this, Jules.'

0:30:480:30:51

'What are you talking?'

0:30:510:30:52

'Why don't you say it to the camera and then we'll show it all in court?'

0:30:530:30:57

All I did was just google the name Duffy and this is what I found -

0:30:580:31:03

"Angel Juliet Duffy, fraud."

0:31:030:31:06

-That's the title.

-Someone has put this clip on YouTube.

0:31:060:31:11

'Smile for the camera, Jules. We've got to know your real name

0:31:110:31:13

'and what you've been really doing in the flat.

0:31:130:31:15

'Let go of me!'

0:31:160:31:18

It's an investigator's dream to have something like this.

0:31:200:31:24

I've managed to track down the person who put the clip on YouTube.

0:31:240:31:28

She's been very willing to come and see us, in fact, quite excited.

0:31:280:31:33

'Can you just drop it, please?

0:31:330:31:35

-'No.'

-'Drop what.'

-'Drop what?'

0:31:350:31:36

OK, if you could take a seat. Thank you so much for coming in.

0:31:380:31:41

These friends rented one of Angel's properties.

0:31:430:31:46

It was the flat Angel was claiming housing benefit to live in,

0:31:460:31:50

so she was fraudulently getting two incomes from it -

0:31:500:31:53

the benefit and the rent.

0:31:530:31:55

When we moved in, she was so lovely.

0:31:570:32:00

She said Salomon was like the son she never had

0:32:000:32:04

and we'd go to her house for tea.

0:32:040:32:07

We paid our deposit in cash and then the rent as well

0:32:070:32:09

cos she said that she didn't trust banks.

0:32:090:32:14

Did she give you any receipts?

0:32:140:32:15

-No.

-No.

-No.

0:32:150:32:17

Did you not question her about that?

0:32:170:32:19

-We did.

-Well, the thing is...

0:32:190:32:22

To be honest, she was so nice and...

0:32:220:32:25

Things soon started going wrong -

0:32:250:32:27

the washing machine didn't work and there was no hot water.

0:32:270:32:30

We started complaining about all the stuff going on in the flat.

0:32:300:32:33

-Right.

-That's when she started getting aggressive.

0:32:330:32:36

-Right.

-She would just burst in at any time in the flat, no warning,

0:32:360:32:41

no nothing, no notice.

0:32:410:32:42

She would just come in and she would be shouting the odds,

0:32:420:32:44

especially at Salomon, that,

0:32:440:32:46

"You're doing this, you're breaking my flat,

0:32:460:32:48

"you're not going to get your deposit money back."

0:32:480:32:50

She said, "We're going to see, I've done that before to people like you

0:32:500:32:53

"guys, I will keep doing it, blah, blah, blah."

0:32:530:32:55

-I was, "All right, fine."

-They say things came to a head four months

0:32:550:32:59

after they moved in when Angel turned up with some heavies.

0:32:590:33:03

She brought four guys and they were throwing things out,

0:33:030:33:06

I was like, "Jules, why are you behaving like this?

0:33:060:33:08

"We just paid our rent, you know,

0:33:080:33:10

"we just need this and this fixed and that's all."

0:33:100:33:13

-She came with those guys, they threatened to beat me up.

-OK.

0:33:130:33:16

-I was absolutely scared.

-I can imagine. Quite intimidating, really.

0:33:160:33:20

That's when I decided to get my phone out

0:33:200:33:21

and I was like, "I'm going to record all of this."

0:33:210:33:24

I say in the video that you're not going to get away with this,

0:33:240:33:26

that's all I want, just for them to bring her down

0:33:260:33:30

cos she's a horrible person, manipulative and aggressive.

0:33:300:33:34

This could be crucial evidence.

0:33:360:33:38

The couple can identify the real Angel Duffy.

0:33:380:33:41

'You are not getting away with this. Trust me, all of you.'

0:33:430:33:48

I just wanted people to know what she looks like

0:33:480:33:50

cos I'm sure she has done it to so many other people.

0:33:500:33:52

It's so great that finally, finally

0:33:520:33:56

something is happening now.

0:33:560:33:57

The picture I now have of Duffy is

0:33:590:34:02

that she is a very, very manipulative, conniving individual.

0:34:020:34:08

She is a bully,

0:34:080:34:10

she had completely got them where she wanted them to be.

0:34:100:34:14

There are a number of other people

0:34:150:34:17

that we've come across that has been affected by her behaviour.

0:34:170:34:20

She is really a nasty piece of work.

0:34:210:34:24

Hopefully, today is the last day, hopefully, this is the end of it.

0:34:340:34:38

I don't know what the outcome's going to be.

0:34:380:34:40

It's judgment day for Mickey Pitt.

0:34:400:34:42

You seem remarkably cheerful for

0:34:460:34:48

a man that might be faced with a prison sentence later on today.

0:34:480:34:52

Cos I'm eating.

0:34:520:34:53

Right, I need to... I need to get dressed.

0:34:550:34:58

He's back in court.

0:35:020:35:04

The judge has decided how much he made from his cigarette smuggling

0:35:040:35:08

and how much he has to pay back.

0:35:080:35:09

What I'd like to happen?

0:35:120:35:14

I'd like the judge to say, "You can have that money back

0:35:140:35:16

"we took off you when we arrested you." It's about £3,000.

0:35:160:35:19

That's what I'd like him to do.

0:35:190:35:21

But I don't think he's going to do that.

0:35:210:35:24

Hopefully, he's going to say I've had about 50K out of it

0:35:240:35:28

and is going to be happy that I've got no money, I've got no hidden assets.

0:35:280:35:33

The right approach would be just to give me a nominal penalty, you know,

0:35:330:35:37

£100, £10, £1 fine or whatever.

0:35:370:35:40

How are you going to feel once this is over?

0:35:470:35:49

Relieved. It depends on what the outcome is though, as well, though.

0:35:490:35:53

I might be pissed off.

0:35:530:35:55

If things go badly and he can't pay his debts,

0:35:570:36:00

this case will be hanging over him for years to come.

0:36:000:36:02

Even if he serves a sentence, that doesn't wipe out the debt.

0:36:040:36:09

It still remains, and so this process can go on and on,

0:36:090:36:13

and he can be pursued in the courts for the money.

0:36:130:36:17

The judge rules the gang made more than 160 grand.

0:36:170:36:21

He accepts Mickey spent most of his share,

0:36:210:36:24

but he's ordered him to pay £36,000 in six months, or go back to jail.

0:36:240:36:30

I feel like laughing, but I don't know whether to cry!

0:36:310:36:33

It's bollocks! Haven't got money!

0:36:330:36:36

I'm skint!

0:36:360:36:37

I think there are going to be some people who are going to say,

0:36:370:36:40

-"It's fair because you've broken the law."

-I've broken the law,

0:36:400:36:43

I went to prison for five years, initially got five years.

0:36:430:36:46

It was... I'm a cigarette fucking smuggler,

0:36:460:36:48

not a fucking rapist or a fucking paedophile.

0:36:480:36:51

I got five years for cigarette smuggling, the Court of Appeal said

0:36:510:36:54

that was a bit harsh. So they knocked it down to four years.

0:36:540:36:56

He's just given me another year back.

0:36:560:36:58

I kind of put myself in this predicament,

0:37:000:37:01

but I haven't got the money they said I've got.

0:37:010:37:03

They said I've hid the money. I've hid the money!

0:37:030:37:06

I haven't hid it!

0:37:060:37:07

You know?

0:37:080:37:10

It's just bollocks.

0:37:100:37:11

I felt like saying to the judge that he might have sent me to jail now.

0:37:170:37:20

But, you know, I've got six months to win the lottery

0:37:200:37:23

between now and then so, you know, who knows?

0:37:230:37:26

Yeah, they want... Those fucking wankers want...

0:37:260:37:30

Said I've got 35K hidden somewhere.

0:37:300:37:32

But with a 14-month jail sentence hanging over him,

0:37:320:37:36

the pressure's on for Mickey to find the cash.

0:37:360:37:38

So this is Bruges,

0:37:530:37:55

and we're here because we're looking at the case of Khalid Hussain.

0:37:550:37:59

Now, this is a guy who claims benefits in the UK,

0:37:590:38:02

but the suggestion is that he actually also lives and works here

0:38:020:38:07

in Bruges. We have an address where he was last registered,

0:38:070:38:10

so we're going to go and see if we can find that,

0:38:100:38:13

and use that as a starting point for our investigation.

0:38:130:38:16

This is where...

0:38:230:38:24

..he was registered as living, just here on the end.

0:38:260:38:29

But they're quite nice houses.

0:38:290:38:32

I've teamed up with a local fixer.

0:38:320:38:34

She gets out to see what we can find.

0:38:340:38:36

Yes, here we are.

0:38:360:38:38

I have some publicity with me to put in the letterbox if needed.

0:38:430:38:47

-Sort of cover, yeah?

-Exactly.

0:38:470:38:49

-And as you can see, here he is.

-Wow.

0:38:490:38:52

Now, Khalid Hussain is not that uncommon a name,

0:38:520:38:55

but nonetheless this seems to suggest that this is where he is.

0:38:550:38:58

Yeah, yeah.

0:38:580:38:59

As you can see here...

0:39:000:39:02

It looks like Khalid Hussain is here,

0:39:020:39:04

but we need proof. We need to see him.

0:39:040:39:06

This guy looks very wet.

0:39:170:39:18

Just as we're about to give up, the front door opens.

0:39:200:39:23

Damn, I can't see him because of the bloody rain.

0:39:260:39:29

Not much of a glimpse.

0:39:300:39:32

It could be Khalid Hussain, but we'll have to keep on looking.

0:39:320:39:35

Put it down.

0:39:510:39:52

-SHE SNIFFS

-I just wanted a sniff.

0:39:520:39:55

-Can I have some cake, Andrea?

-Yes.

0:39:550:39:59

It's been two months since

0:39:590:40:00

Andrea's team arrested the woman with multiple identities.

0:40:000:40:04

The evidence is building she's the person they're after -

0:40:050:40:09

a fraudster called Angel.

0:40:090:40:11

Final confirmation comes from Angel's own solicitor.

0:40:110:40:14

He's confirmed that Diva Paris Anderson...

0:40:160:40:20

-Yeah.

-..the person who we arrested, is indeed Angel Juliet Jackson.

0:40:200:40:26

And he said...

0:40:260:40:28

-What did I tell you?

-He doesn't...

0:40:280:40:31

What did we say? What did we say all along?

0:40:310:40:33

She's just a compulsive liar all the way through.

0:40:330:40:36

It's one lie after the other.

0:40:360:40:39

Angel is now suspected of committing more than 20 offences,

0:40:390:40:43

from using a false ID to housing benefit fraud.

0:40:430:40:47

She's also linked to more than 35 bank accounts,

0:40:470:40:50

and there are some serious sums going through them.

0:40:500:40:53

£2,000, £5,000.

0:40:530:40:57

£22,000.

0:40:570:40:59

£6,000.

0:40:590:41:02

The highest figure I have going into one of the accounts

0:41:030:41:06

is £50,000 in a day.

0:41:060:41:08

I don't know where this money's coming from.

0:41:100:41:12

The problem is, for us and the council, are the same -

0:41:140:41:18

the money tends to be a little bit transient. It tends to move.

0:41:180:41:22

They decide to charge Angel as quickly as possible.

0:41:220:41:25

They're worried that she and the money may disappear abroad.

0:41:250:41:29

Back in Belgium, and we're struggling to find Khalid Hussain

0:41:320:41:36

at his house, so we're trying to find another approach.

0:41:360:41:38

We're trying to find out if Khalid Hussain is living

0:41:410:41:44

and working, crucially, here in Bruges.

0:41:440:41:46

We're going to follow our main clue,

0:41:460:41:49

which is the last place he was registered as working,

0:41:490:41:51

which is Cafe Central, here right in the centre of Bruges.

0:41:510:41:54

Yeah, we might only have a starter, actually, you see.

0:41:580:42:01

-WAITER:

-Yeah, no problem.

0:42:010:42:03

So we've been here about half an hour.

0:42:040:42:07

We haven't seen Khalid Hussain yet.

0:42:070:42:10

One of the crew, posing as a TV location scout,

0:42:100:42:13

asks if she can look around.

0:42:130:42:16

At the back of the restaurant,

0:42:160:42:17

she gets a glimpse of a man we think might be Khalid Hussain.

0:42:170:42:22

A-ha! Hi.

0:42:220:42:24

How much are they?

0:42:240:42:25

-How much are the cigarettes here?

-HE SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY

0:42:270:42:31

He disappears into the kitchen, so we talk our way in there as well.

0:42:310:42:35

Hello. I'm sorry to disturb you.

0:42:360:42:38

-Yeah, hi.

-It's fine. Television, hey?

-Watch out.

0:42:380:42:43

-And there he is, right at the back...

-It's a great kitchen.

0:42:430:42:46

..Khalid Hussain.

0:42:460:42:47

You guys seem a very good team.

0:42:480:42:50

Yeah, there's pretty...

0:42:500:42:53

Yeah, I know you speak English, you were helping me

0:42:530:42:55

with the cigarette machine.

0:42:550:42:57

-Caught you out.

-He's very shy.

-Are you?

0:42:570:43:01

It's not surprising he's cautious.

0:43:010:43:02

Over the last two years, he's stolen £25,000 from the UK taxpayer.

0:43:020:43:08

Have you been to the UK?

0:43:080:43:10

Yeah?

0:43:100:43:12

Did you like it? Which part did you visit? Do you know? Uh-huh.

0:43:120:43:15

Sorry?

0:43:180:43:20

Uh-huh.

0:43:200:43:21

We've found him.

0:43:250:43:27

When his shift is over, I'd like to have a word with him.

0:43:270:43:30

Today, we're going to arrest,

0:43:350:43:37

we're hoping to arrest Angel Juliet Jackson.

0:43:370:43:40

Back in Croydon, and Andrea is now ready to charge Angel.

0:43:410:43:44

But there's a problem. They don't know where she is.

0:43:450:43:48

She has broken her bail conditions.

0:43:500:43:52

She has not returned to the... for the bail date.

0:43:520:43:56

She has supplied a letter from a hospital to say that

0:43:560:44:00

she's had a suspected stroke.

0:44:000:44:03

I can't take her letter on face value,

0:44:030:44:05

because we have evidence showing

0:44:050:44:06

that she's falsified documents from doctors previously.

0:44:060:44:10

The worry is she's about to do a runner.

0:44:160:44:19

KNOCKING

0:44:310:44:34

Definitely came from there.

0:44:370:44:39

Right now, we've heard someone in there.

0:44:390:44:41

We believe we've heard someone in there.

0:44:410:44:43

It's Andrea Cordrey, from Croydon Council

0:44:430:44:46

with the police. Can you open the door, please?

0:44:460:44:49

Angel, you need to come to the door where you can hear me.

0:44:510:44:53

We know you're in there, so we can force entry if we need to.

0:44:550:44:58

-But this isn't Scooby-Doo, unfortunately.

-No, no.

0:45:050:45:07

It's sad, really, but we'll have to go in. We'll have to force entry.

0:45:090:45:12

Angel, we're coming in now.

0:45:150:45:18

You need to stand back away from the door, or come and open it now.

0:45:180:45:21

Police! Police!

0:45:290:45:31

-There's no balcony here?

-No balcony, no.

0:45:400:45:42

Nothing. Nothing.

0:45:470:45:49

The walls are so thin in these buildings that it's quite

0:45:490:45:52

possible that what we heard was from next door, then.

0:45:520:45:57

From the walls next door.

0:45:570:45:59

They've just missed her.

0:45:590:46:01

The windows are still open.

0:46:010:46:03

The electric heaters are still on.

0:46:030:46:05

-What is that book?

-The Master...

0:46:100:46:13

Grimoire. Grimoire Of Magical Rites.

0:46:130:46:16

The witchcraft, or the juju stuff.

0:46:190:46:21

Have you seen her lately?

0:46:260:46:28

I think I saw her last night.

0:46:280:46:30

Last night? OK.

0:46:300:46:32

-But not this morning. Not this morning.

-Not this morning.

0:46:320:46:34

Angel has vanished.

0:46:360:46:37

It's what they feared.

0:46:370:46:38

All they can do now is hope that the police can find her.

0:46:390:46:43

So we're outside the restaurant in Bruges where we know Khalid Hussain

0:46:500:46:53

works, and we know where he is working tonight.

0:46:530:46:56

And we are waiting for him.

0:46:560:46:58

My name's Richard Bilton. I work for the BBC.

0:47:000:47:02

I just want to have a quick word with you about your benefits,

0:47:020:47:05

cos you get about a bit, don't you?

0:47:050:47:06

You claim here in Belgium and you claim in the UK.

0:47:060:47:10

How's that possible?

0:47:100:47:12

Just tell us, how could you claim benefits here in Belgium

0:47:120:47:15

and in the UK?

0:47:150:47:16

But you live here.

0:47:180:47:19

Sir, please just give me your explanation.

0:47:210:47:23

He eventually stops to talk.

0:47:230:47:26

OK, but you did claim benefits here in Belgium, didn't you?

0:47:260:47:28

Now you've got a job now, but you did in the past, didn't you?

0:47:300:47:33

In the past? You've claimed benefits in Belgium?

0:47:330:47:36

Yeah, yeah.

0:47:370:47:39

So you claimed benefits in Belgium and you claim benefits in the UK.

0:47:390:47:42

So Mr Hussain says he's sorry.

0:47:490:47:52

It's not really us he has to explain to.

0:47:520:47:54

It's the British taxpayer, and more immediately, it's the police.

0:47:540:47:58

I take our footage back to show Kiri.

0:47:590:48:02

-There he is.

-Oh, yes.

0:48:040:48:06

Mr Hussain.

0:48:060:48:07

ON VIDEO: 'I just wanted to have a quick word with you about your benefits. Cos you claim benefits

0:48:070:48:11

'in a country that you don't live!'

0:48:110:48:13

When you see his life, I'm not defending what he did,

0:48:130:48:17

but he doesn't have a glamorous life. He's working late shifts

0:48:170:48:19

at the back of a kitchen in Belgium.

0:48:190:48:22

Does it temper the way you feel about him to see that he...?

0:48:220:48:25

No, no. There's nothing stopping him from claiming in Belgium.

0:48:250:48:29

That's where he lives.

0:48:290:48:31

I mean, if he's in receipt of low earnings from his employer,

0:48:310:48:34

there's nothing stopping him from claiming in Belgium.

0:48:340:48:38

What is wrong and seriously wrong is claiming to be living in the UK and

0:48:380:48:43

claiming off of our taxpayers.

0:48:430:48:45

There are thousands of people here who deserve help.

0:48:450:48:49

And he has taken all that money away from them.

0:48:490:48:52

20,000 plus from the taxpayers.

0:48:520:48:54

How many cases are there like that?

0:48:540:48:57

A lot, lot more. How many claims are made using easy passports?

0:48:570:49:02

Do we have the means to check whether

0:49:020:49:07

these people are claiming in other countries?

0:49:070:49:09

I don't think so.

0:49:090:49:10

Do we have a system in place to cross-match the details?

0:49:110:49:17

I don't think so. So these people do get away with it.

0:49:170:49:21

There's got to be some way of preventing this.

0:49:210:49:24

Five years on, and Mr Hussain hasn't returned to face justice.

0:49:250:49:30

Today, councils don't investigate this kind of benefit fraud.

0:49:300:49:34

That job's been handed to the Department of Work and Pensions.

0:49:340:49:38

-Whilst I'm not saying she hasn't had a stroke...

-There's nothing showing that she has.

-I'm not a doctor.

0:49:440:49:48

There's nothing in this paperwork to say that she has had a stroke.

0:49:480:49:51

It's just she went to hospital complaining of symptoms

0:49:510:49:54

that could be a stroke.

0:49:540:49:55

Andrea and her team are at the police station,

0:49:560:49:59

preparing to welcome a special guest.

0:49:590:50:01

Angel Duffy, or Angel Jackson, or Diva Paris Anderson,

0:50:040:50:10

has decided to turn herself in.

0:50:100:50:12

She claims to have suffered a stroke.

0:50:130:50:15

-OVER INTERCOM:

-'Hello?'

0:50:170:50:20

-WEAKLY:

-Hello.

-'Hello.'

-I've got an appointment.

0:50:200:50:22

Jackson is your surname?

0:50:280:50:30

She's here, that's the main thing.

0:50:320:50:34

She'll be assessed by the police and we'll go from there.

0:50:340:50:37

Right, Angel. Very importantly, have you ever tried to harm yourself?

0:50:390:50:43

SHE PANTS

0:50:430:50:47

Angel, it's taking more effort for you to breathe heavily like that

0:50:470:50:50

than it is for you to talk to me.

0:50:500:50:51

So can you talk to me, please?

0:50:510:50:53

The team has evidence suggesting Angel has faked strokes before

0:50:540:50:58

to claim disability benefit.

0:50:580:51:00

They're going to get a police doctor to look at her.

0:51:000:51:03

Angel, listen, you've put your coat on yourself,

0:51:030:51:06

you've got yourself dressed and you've got yourself here.

0:51:060:51:08

I need you to take it off so that we can search you properly.

0:51:080:51:13

All right?

0:51:140:51:15

This is just pure drama.

0:51:170:51:19

Oscar-winning performance, exactly as I thought it would be.

0:51:190:51:22

If I was a betting woman, I would be winning right now.

0:51:220:51:26

The only thing that was missing

0:51:260:51:27

was her throwing herself literally on the floor.

0:51:270:51:30

She knows what's coming.

0:51:330:51:34

She knows that there is no way of avoiding it.

0:51:340:51:37

And what she's trying to do is play the card that

0:51:370:51:40

"I am so ill, I am sick, I can't walk, I can't talk,

0:51:400:51:44

"I can't read, I can't write."

0:51:440:51:45

-MUMBLING:

-Dear God... Don't let my...

0:51:450:51:49

The police doctor says she's fit to be detained and interviewed.

0:51:530:51:57

Something which you later rely on in court and anything you do or say

0:51:570:52:00

may be given in evidence.

0:52:000:52:02

Can you tell me when it was that you came to this country?

0:52:020:52:04

No comment? OK.

0:52:080:52:10

What name was it that you used to come to this country?

0:52:100:52:12

OK. You might as well raise your...

0:52:150:52:18

I'm tired.

0:52:200:52:21

Two hours later, and the mood changes dramatically.

0:52:210:52:25

And she was accusing you of chucking her out of her property as her

0:52:250:52:28

-landlady.

-Obviously somebody's upset about something.

0:52:280:52:31

-You seem a little bit better than you were feeling...

-Yes!

0:52:310:52:33

-You're being quite animated.

-Because it's too much!

0:52:330:52:35

It's too much when a person puts something on you. It's too much!

0:52:350:52:38

People's lives should be more important!

0:52:380:52:40

You've done that... My health is at risk!

0:52:400:52:43

You put my health at risk!

0:52:430:52:44

Doctors are telling you...

0:52:440:52:46

She is remanded in custody until her trial.

0:52:460:52:49

This Ms Cordrey, what does she want from you?

0:52:490:52:50

We are now going to start getting on with the job at hand.

0:52:530:52:57

This is to bring her to court

0:52:570:52:58

so that the victims can get some justice.

0:52:580:53:02

Is there anything else you need? You sure you don't want anything to eat?

0:53:020:53:04

-No, just give me some space.

-Yeah? OK.

-I appreciate it.

0:53:040:53:07

-No problem at all.

-But Angel won't be imprisoned for long.

0:53:070:53:12

In the coming months,

0:53:120:53:13

events will take place that will turn this case on its head.

0:53:130:53:16

It's been over a year since Mickey was ordered to pay back his £36,000.

0:53:250:53:31

I've come to see how he's getting on.

0:53:310:53:32

-You all right?

-Yeah, I'm good.

-So this is where you ended up?

0:53:360:53:39

One of the places, yeah.

0:53:390:53:41

Mickey didn't pay and was sentenced to 14 months.

0:53:420:53:45

What was your attitude like this second time,

0:53:460:53:48

compared to serving the first sentence?

0:53:480:53:50

-Was it different?

-I was pissed off.

0:53:500:53:53

It was fucking wrong!

0:53:530:53:54

I swear on my children's life, I didn't make that money.

0:53:540:53:57

I didn't make the money. You're laughing!

0:53:570:53:59

I'm not laughing! I'm only laughing because your passion, it never dims.

0:53:590:54:02

No, but it's the truth!

0:54:020:54:04

It's not about being passionate, it's about being honest!

0:54:040:54:07

Despite going to prison twice because of the same crime,

0:54:070:54:11

he remains defiant.

0:54:110:54:13

I'm telling you this. If there is a God upstairs...

0:54:130:54:15

-Yes.

-..he'll let me in.

0:54:150:54:17

-Right.

-He'll put me on probation, but he'll let me in.

0:54:170:54:20

-Yes.

-But he won't let Tony Blair in.

-He probably...

-Or Georgie Bush.

0:54:200:54:22

He'd probably search you as you came in, wouldn't he?

0:54:220:54:25

-In case you're bringing in some...

-He's got magic eyes.

0:54:250:54:27

He's got magic eyes!

0:54:270:54:29

Do you look back and regret it now?

0:54:300:54:32

Getting caught, yeah. My only regret is getting caught.

0:54:320:54:35

I'm not going to burn in hell for what I done.

0:54:360:54:39

You know? What I done was...

0:54:400:54:43

-acceptable.

-You can't do that. You can't get away with that,

0:54:430:54:46

-I don't think.

-Why not?

-Because...

0:54:460:54:48

Because basically, you were making money out of...

0:54:480:54:50

-Yeah.

-..cigarettes, that duty wasn't paid on them.

0:54:500:54:53

-Yeah.

-We all depend on that duty.

0:54:530:54:54

Yeah, no, no. But in turn, the people that buy them are saving money.

0:54:540:54:58

There's no moral case to this.

0:54:580:54:59

You can't accept that.

0:54:590:55:01

Listen, it was wrong. It was wrong.

0:55:010:55:03

But I will live with myself.

0:55:030:55:05

You know? I don't think...

0:55:050:55:08

I think that when somebody, you know,

0:55:080:55:10

pays himself £1 billion and decides to use, you know, non-domiciles

0:55:100:55:16

to evade tax, OK,

0:55:160:55:19

or avoid tax,

0:55:190:55:21

is more morally wrong than me.

0:55:210:55:23

Yeah, but that's like saying, "I only beat people up,

0:55:230:55:25

"but he murders people, so therefore my crime doesn't really compare to him."

0:55:250:55:29

You committed a crime. You just committed a crime. It doesn't matter what anybody else is doing.

0:55:290:55:33

But I was a drop in the ocean.

0:55:330:55:34

You know? It was pennies, what I obtained.

0:55:340:55:38

But the powerful and the elite...

0:55:380:55:40

we won't worry about them.

0:55:400:55:42

They've got friends in high places.

0:55:420:55:45

That's how it is. But you know this.

0:55:450:55:47

Could you ever imagine yourself back in another scam?

0:55:480:55:51

No. No. I mean, what do you want me to say?

0:55:510:55:54

That, you know, I'm digging a tunnel to my local bank?

0:55:540:55:56

No, I don't, but after all you've been through,

0:55:560:55:58

this is the time now to just... straight and narrow.

0:55:580:56:01

Yeah. I would like to...

0:56:010:56:04

I don't know.

0:56:070:56:09

Pay my debt to society, you know, to pay my way in life.

0:56:090:56:13

But, you know,

0:56:130:56:15

like I said, my prospects are pretty slim.

0:56:150:56:19

I don't think I've got, you know, I'm going to be headhunted.

0:56:190:56:22

You know? I'll let fate decide what happens to me.

0:56:220:56:25

I hope Mickey doesn't leave it to fate

0:56:270:56:29

and uses his abilities to try and pay his debts legally.

0:56:290:56:33

Otherwise, he's going to have a 36 grand debt hanging over him

0:56:330:56:37

for the rest of his life.

0:56:370:56:39

Next week, there's a dramatic twist in Angel Jackson's case.

0:56:450:56:48

It's a bit stressful.

0:56:500:56:51

We got a phone call from the prison informing us that she had a stroke.

0:56:510:56:54

It seems as if she's beaten me.

0:56:560:56:59

And the net closes on fraudsters using benefits to live abroad.

0:57:010:57:06

If you look up at the camera, imagine what he was thinking.

0:57:060:57:09

"Are you watching me?"

0:57:090:57:11

Hell yeah. We are watching you.

0:57:120:57:14

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