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He's carrying fishing rods on his back. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:05 | |
Yeah, I've got him, Deb. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
There's absolutely nothing wrong with him, is there? | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
No. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
He's fit and well but claiming disability. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
Benefit fraud costs the British taxpayer £1.6 billion a year. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:21 | |
My name is Richard Bilton, | 0:00:21 | 0:00:22 | |
and I've spent the last five years | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
following benefit fraud investigators... | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
We're about to catch criminals. I love it. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
..and the suspects they're after. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
I'm not guilty of anything. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:35 | |
What they're saying I'm guilty of, I'm not. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:37 | |
Yeah, under the underpass. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
In this episode, on the hunt for a benefit cheat | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
with multiple identities. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
Are you Angel Duffy? | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
-No. -Are you Angel Jackson? | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
If you look at this particular case, | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
it's really hard to understand who this person actually is. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:55 | |
We track down suspects involved in a new kind of fraud... | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
I just want to have a quick word with you about your benefits | 0:00:59 | 0:01:01 | |
cos you get about a bit, don't you? | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
You claim here in Belgium and you claim in the UK. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
How is that possible? | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
Do you want to see a fake boarding pass? | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
..and the smuggler who can get in and out of airports undetected. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:17 | |
They must think I'm Mickey Bin Laden, | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
not Mickey Pitt. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:20 | |
This programme contains some strong language. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:30 | |
It's five in the morning in Croydon | 0:01:33 | 0:01:34 | |
and officers from the council's fraud squad | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
are preparing for an arrest. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
I've brought in biscuits. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
-Biscuits! -I thought that we're going to need something, | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
so I've got us some giant salt pretzels. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
Got biscuits | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
and we can share a banana. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
Today, we're quite excited | 0:01:52 | 0:01:54 | |
because we are actually going to get to meet | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
Angel Jackson, or Angel Duffy. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
Andrea Cordrey and Zoe Neal usually handle petty fraudsters | 0:02:01 | 0:02:06 | |
fiddling the system, but tonight's target has two identities. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
As Angel Jackson, she's a disabled, single mum, | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
who gets her rent paid by the council. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
But as Angel Duffy, she's fit and well and owns two properties. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:21 | |
Investigators think she's been using the two IDs | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
to fraudulently claim over £100,000 in housing benefit. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:29 | |
At this stage it just feels like we're opening up Pandora's Box. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
We just don't know where it's going to end. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
The plan is to arrest Angel | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
and search both her homes for evidence of her crime. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
What we normally find is a stash of porn, | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
a little stash of drugs | 0:02:50 | 0:02:51 | |
and lots and lots and lots of correspondence. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
The last few searches I've done, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
they've all seemed to have a lot of religious texts. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
Copies of the Bible, religious pictures. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
I don't quite know why, because it does say in the Bible, | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
"Thou shalt not steal." | 0:03:04 | 0:03:05 | |
The team isn't sure which property Angel lives in. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
They're hoping this dawn raid will catch her by surprise. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:15 | |
Hello. It's the police, do you mind letting us into the block, please? | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
That's her, isn't it? I've got the picture downstairs in the car. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
There are similarities in the way she looks to Mrs Duffy | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
and I've got a photograph of her, so I just want to go and get it. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:02 | |
It's just scary. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
Nobody's dead. How long have you been living here, madam? | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
-How long... -A couple of weeks. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:12 | |
A couple of weeks? | 0:04:12 | 0:04:13 | |
Have you got any other forms of ID, madam, like a passport or anything? | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
Not here, not at the moment. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
At the moment, the problem is, we think you might be Mrs Duffy. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
I know, but it's very easy, madam, to apply for a driving licence. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
This is a photo we've got of Mrs Duffy. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
Yeah, yes, that's her. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
-That's her? -Yes. -Looks very similar to yourself, madam. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
Let's hold those two photos up to one another. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
You must be sisters? | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
Yes, I said that, yeah. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:45 | |
Otherwise, she wouldn't let me stay here for free like that, | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
she would not. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:49 | |
That's why I even told you, that if you want, | 0:04:49 | 0:04:51 | |
I can organise for her to come. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:53 | |
We do believe that, you know, you are Mrs Duffy. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
So listen to my colleague. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
I'm arresting you on suspicion of fraud by false representation. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
My dear, it's just not me. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
Do you want to get yourself dressed, all right? | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
I'm getting out of here now? | 0:05:06 | 0:05:07 | |
Yeah, you're going to come with us to the police station, madam. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
So, do you want to get yourself dressed now? | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
With the suspect under arrest, the search can begin. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
Right. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:23 | |
Correspondence to an Angel Jackson and an Angel Duffy. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:36 | |
This indicates she's spent over £2,000 on carpets. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
I think if she's been on benefit for years, how can she afford that? | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
Oooh! | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
English, Irish and Ghanaian passports are found. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
So are numerous bank cards and mobile phones. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
Oh, wait up. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:55 | |
Oh! | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
All 50s. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
They also find keys for the other property she owns nearby. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
Ah, they're in, the key worked. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:17 | |
From outside, it looks like an average home. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
It's a bit different on the inside. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
Now, this is a telly! | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
-What is that? -It's a bar. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
A bar, yeah. There'll be alcohol on the back shelves. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
That's definitely the lady we've got. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
I'm just thinking about, when we went in, she was bold-faced... | 0:06:43 | 0:06:47 | |
..very seasoned liar. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
-It sounded real. -Mm? -It sounded real. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
Yeah. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
They appear to have caught a sophisticated fraudster | 0:06:55 | 0:06:59 | |
working the system. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
But first, they've got to make sure they've arrested the right woman. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
We lose £1.6 billion a year through benefit fraud, | 0:07:08 | 0:07:13 | |
but that figure is dwarfed by what's stolen from the taxman. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
Nearly £16 billion a year, | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
and the frauds are getting increasingly inventive. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
Some cigarettes, please. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
-Nice one. -£9? | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
You are the most expensive shop in London for cigarettes. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
No, man. No, no, man, no. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
-You are. -No. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:40 | |
Mickey Pitt is a smuggler | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
who likes to think he offers hard-up smokers a valuable service. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
£9, £6. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
Where do you want to come? | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
All I was doing was facilitating people | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
to purchase these at a cheaper price. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
That's what I got sent to prison for. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
70% of the price of a packet of cigarettes comes from taxes | 0:07:58 | 0:08:02 | |
and Mickey has made a lot of money | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
flogging duty-free cigs on the black market. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
I didn't choose fraud, it just evolved. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
It just... I don't know, | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
I'd like to have been a brain surgeon or a pilot, you know? | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
I missed those opportunities. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
I don't pillage and plunder, | 0:08:21 | 0:08:22 | |
but, you know, I take, perhaps, things that are not lawfully mine. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:28 | |
Like the duty that I've evaded. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
But, you know, | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
I can live with that. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
The type of people that buy my cigarettes know what I've done, | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
and they'll say, "Good on you." | 0:08:41 | 0:08:42 | |
But Mickey's no ordinary cigarette smuggler. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
He's the mastermind of an operation | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
that used fake boarding passes | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
to get in and out of airports undetected. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
-So, Michael Pitt? -He's an inveterate cigarette smuggler. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
He was prosecuted by the Met police back in 2006. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
He then learned to evolve his operation. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
I've come to the headquarters of Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs, | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
or HMRC, to meet officers who are investigating Pitt. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:15 | |
When he was arrested, he couldn't help boasting about his scam. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
He's telling all that to you? | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
Yeah, and it's fair to say he was remanded in custody. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
When he asked the sergeant why, the sergeant said, | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
"Well, you've just told the officer you can go anywhere you want." | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
He was remanded in custody. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
Isn't it sort of terrifying | 0:09:42 | 0:09:43 | |
that you can produce counterfeit boarding passes? | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
The thought behind that is really quite worrying, isn't it? | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
It was really surprising to us, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
particularly the extent to which they went | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
to ultimately produce boarding cards for the whole of the country. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
started investigating Pitt | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
after two of his men were caught leaving Gatwick with suitcases | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
stuffed with thousands of tax-free cigarettes. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
They'd somehow managed to purchase them from the duty-free shop | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
without having any form of legitimate travel. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
The UK Border Agency managed to seize a forged boarding card | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
off one of them. So we were starting to put together a picture | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
of how they operated. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:26 | |
Two days later, at Stansted Airport, | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
another member of Mickey's gang was caught with a fake boarding pass. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
Then it became apparent that this is a larger scale. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
Not only have we now got two airports, | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
we have more people doing this. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:42 | |
Mickey Pitt's smuggling operation | 0:10:42 | 0:10:43 | |
was soon unfolding in front of their eyes. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
This was almost a machine, | 0:10:47 | 0:10:48 | |
the way they, on a daily basis, they were going out, going to airports, | 0:10:48 | 0:10:53 | |
coming back with the cigarettes. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
They were then going off to be sold. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
The next day, they were back at it again. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
This is Pitt looking at a whole selection | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
of different boarding cards. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
The gang didn't even have to take flights. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
They'd also worked out how to use the fake passes | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
to get out of the airport undetected. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
They certainly knew the rat runs, they knew how to get in, | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
they knew how to get out. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:20 | |
They knew the airports better, in some cases, than our own officers. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
Pitt's block of flats soon came under 24-hour surveillance. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
This is a scene with a very large, wheeled suitcase. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:37 | |
And these bags are full of cigarettes? | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
Both are full of cigarettes. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:40 | |
And then, later that day, onward distributors came | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
and collected the cigarettes. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
Officers believed the gang smuggled more than 2 million cigarettes, | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
earning themselves hundreds of thousands of pounds. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
With the evidence on camera, Pitt's gang was arrested. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
I thought, "What a cocky individual." | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
It was tantamount to a confession, actually, | 0:12:25 | 0:12:27 | |
and it was something we served in evidence. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
I was pissed off, I was angry and I said to them, you know, | 0:12:37 | 0:12:42 | |
basically, you're arseholes at your job. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
But, it didn't do me no favours. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
Didn't do me no favours. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:51 | |
Mickey got five years. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
He's now out of prison, but he's not out of trouble. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
He faces being sent back to prison because of the same crime. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
You want to see a fake boarding pass? | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
You wanted to see a fake boarding pass, didn't you? | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
For all intents and purposes, | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
it doesn't look no different from a real one. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
You take that to the airport, present it to the security man. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:16 | |
He then scans that bar code, it beeps, and lets you in. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
What was it like discovering you could do this? | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
Like discovering the Holy Grail. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:25 | |
Mickey says producing the passes was simple - | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
all he needed was a computer, | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
a specialist programme and a printer. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
I mean, it's a bit embarrassing that I was able to do it with such ease, | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
you know what I mean? I would just manufacture the boarding pass, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
give it to somebody, they go to the airport, | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
purchase cigarettes and walk out. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
That easy. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
Unfortunately for Mickey, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
handling the fallout hasn't been so straightforward. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
I'm only allowed, in my possession at any one time, 200 cigarettes, | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
50 cigars and 100 cigarillos. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
What the fuck is a cigarillo? | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
He's been placed on a Serious Crime Prevention Order. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
If he breaks any of its conditions, he'll be sent back to jail. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
I'm not allowed to go to any airports. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
I'm only allowed one mobile telephone, I must get it registered. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
I'm only allowed to have £1,000 in cash at any one time. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
I should be so lucky. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
They wanted to ban me from telephone boxes for five years. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
They must think I'm Mickey Bin Laden, | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
not Mickey Pitt. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
But his biggest problem comes from something investigators found | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
when they searched his flat. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
Where did they find the hard drive? | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
-In my kitchen. -Can you show us? Show us. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
It's a little cupboard here, look. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
That's it in there, look, a little compartment. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
This hiding place was found to contain £3,000 in cash | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
and a hard drive which was taken away for analysis. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:57 | |
We were absolutely amazed at the complexity of it all. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
I think in total, there were nearly 7,000 boarding passes. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:05 | |
It's a digital fingerprint that the taxman's used | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
to try and work out how much Pitt made from his scam. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
The benefit that he's got from his crime will be recovered by HMRC | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
under the Proceeds of Crime Act. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
HMRC is now taking Mickey to court | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
to try and force him to pay back the money he stole. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
They will say to Pitt, in effect, that he has to, | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
he's benefited from a set amount, he pays that money back to us, | 0:15:27 | 0:15:31 | |
or he serves a default sentence, which is a further prison sentence. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
You go to prison, | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
you come out, you're on licence and you have to tread carefully, | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
and you kind of live with that, | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
but the confiscation order, it's bollocks. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
I don't know what to think at this moment in time. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:50 | |
You know? | 0:15:50 | 0:15:52 | |
I feel punch drunk. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
Like I've been bashed around the ring by Mike Tyson. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
You know? That's how I feel. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
The SMS is, don't fuck with these people. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
But for every fraudster caught, | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
there are plenty more trying to exploit gaps in the system. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:18 | |
In 2012, I caught up with investigators in Hillingdon. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:23 | |
Do you know if you can put in a number? | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
Just type in 51. Double-click. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
There. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:33 | |
Kiri and Yvonne are investigating a new kind of fraud | 0:16:33 | 0:16:37 | |
found in the borough - | 0:16:37 | 0:16:38 | |
people who fraudulently claim benefits here and abroad. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
They call it double dipping. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
So that's the address we are paying housing and council tax benefit. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:48 | |
-That's the application from the DWP. -Oh, right, yeah. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
In this case, they've got information | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
that their suspect is also claiming in Belgium. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
This is the property in Antwerp, according to this information. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
The claimant's spouse owns this property. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:06 | |
To arrest him, they need to make sure he is in Hillingdon | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
and Google Maps has provided a clue. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:11 | |
That looks like a green coloured car. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
Yes, a metallic green. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:15 | |
Metallic green, yeah. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:16 | |
The council has had an anonymous tip-off | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
that the suspect drives a people carrier with a Belgian numberplate. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
When we looked at this property address in Belgium, | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
we can see there's a people carrier outside, | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
so that's quite interesting for us. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
When we do visit the address, | 0:17:30 | 0:17:31 | |
we will be looking out for a people carrier here. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
They've got the evidence they need to arrest their man, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
they just need to make sure he's in the country, | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
so they're going to see if they can spot | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
a green people carrier outside his house. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
-This is the road. -Right. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:45 | |
Yes, I can see no... | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
It's this one with the tree, the big tree. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
There's the Volkswagen. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:52 | |
Right. That looks like a bottle green colour. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
That has a foreign numberplate. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
I have the number of the police team | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
and I will notify them that we're parked here and waiting for them. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
Yeah. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:06 | |
The man is taken away for questioning. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
These arrests are now becoming a regular event. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
Hello, sir. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:28 | |
In a short time, Kiri has built up a long list of suspects | 0:18:32 | 0:18:36 | |
thought to be double dipping, and he's worried about the scale. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
I don't know how far it has gone into our system, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
but it is, it is easy, and there is no way of preventing it | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
unless we get in touch with them countries. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
This box is full of application forms. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
Almost all of them double dipping cases. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
Denmark, Sweden, Norway. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:02 | |
Most of the Scandinavian countries. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
They're all being used to claim benefits. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:06 | |
The scenario is the same. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
When someone claims that the only benefit they are receiving is | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
from the Department for Work and Pensions | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
and housing benefits | 0:19:13 | 0:19:14 | |
and when the bank accounts or bank transactions | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
show clearly there is more money going into the bank accounts, | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
then questions need to be asked. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
So it's a really significant problem you're facing? | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
It is, yes, yes. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
When you're coming back, you know it's raining today, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
do you want some trainers or something that will cover? | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
-Yes. -Yeah? | 0:19:42 | 0:19:43 | |
Back in Croydon, the team have finished their search, | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
and they are now taking their suspect to the police station | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
to try and identify who she really is. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
They think she's an identity fraudster | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
known either as Angel Jackson or Angel Duffy. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
It's basically based on the evidence, and the evidence, | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
in my opinion, suggests that the lady we have got is Angel Duffy. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:15 | |
Okey dokey, right, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
can I ask you your full name, please? | 0:20:21 | 0:20:22 | |
She insists she's Angel's half sister. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
And she's got a British passport to prove it, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
but it's one of three found in the flat | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
they want to question her about. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:38 | |
This is this... Your passport in the name of Anderson, | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
the one that you say is yours, there's a photograph | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
of a lady in that passport | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
and I'm going to put all three side-by-side... | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
Would you say that those three people are the same person? | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
You wouldn't? | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
Diva's British passport turns out to be real, | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
and they have to release her on bail | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
while they investigate further. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
We've got three passports in three different nationalities, | 0:21:12 | 0:21:16 | |
three different names. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
Ghanaian... In the name of Duffy. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:19 | |
Irish in the name of Jackson. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
-Jackson. -And UK in the name of Anderson. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
-I'm 100% sure... -100% sure! | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
..it's the same person. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
We're talking about someone who looks exactly the same. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
Paul O'Rourke from the Department of Work and Pensions | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
has joined the team. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:38 | |
At the end of the day, it doesn't actually matter who she is | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
or what she calls herself, she can call herself Minnie Mouse, | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
it doesn't actually matter. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
We just need to be able to prove | 0:21:45 | 0:21:46 | |
that the identities are all the same person, | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
that's really what it's about. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
But proving that won't be easy. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
All of her documentation appears genuine. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
This lady has three separate National Insurance numbers. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
That should not be possible, but she does have it. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
It's not something that even the average Joe Criminal | 0:22:05 | 0:22:09 | |
would know how to do. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
Then there's the driving licences, the bank cards, | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
the NHS documents, and all that money found | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
at the bottom of her wardrobe, £22,000. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:21 | |
What we're looking at is organised fraud. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
This lady has set out to make a significant profit | 0:22:24 | 0:22:30 | |
from the public purse. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
That letter from the landlady says, confirms that she's been a tenant... | 0:22:34 | 0:22:39 | |
David Hogan is head of Croydon's fraud squad. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
This case, to my mind, is scratching the surface. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:47 | |
I think there are hundreds, if not thousands, of these sorts of cases, | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
of people who've got into the system, | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
and they've got so deep into the system | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
that it's really hard now to, you know, | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
if you look at this particular case, it's really hard to understand | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
who this person actually is. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
That's the challenge the team faces. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
If they can't prove Diva is really Angel, | 0:23:04 | 0:23:08 | |
the suspect is likely to get away. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:10 | |
Oh, this is bollocks. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
Mickey Pitt is getting ready for court. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
He's being prosecuted by the taxman | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
who want him to pay back the money | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
he made from his cigarette smuggling. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
It's like a dentist appointment, I suppose. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
It's something that has to be done. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
Don't brush your teeth, you got to go to the dentist, ain't you? | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
The trial is taking place in Brighton. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
It's near where Mickey's smuggling operation was first uncovered. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
This is Gatwick Airport, it's where I used to work. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
What memories does it bring back? | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
All bad memories. It was a horrible place to go to. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
Full of grasses and busybodies. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:00 | |
He's done his time for that crime | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
and this hearing will determine how much he has to pay back. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
What they're supposed to do | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
is identify how much I've obtained illegally, | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
and then they're supposed to ascertain how much money | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
I have left and what assets I have. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
And then they would say to the court, | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
"This man has stolen £100 or £1 million," or whatever it is, | 0:24:20 | 0:24:25 | |
"and this is what he has as a result of it." | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
Mickey says he made about 40 grand, | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
and he doesn't have the assets to pay it back. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
I got sent to prison initially for five years for smuggling cigarettes. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
That's harsh? You don't identify this as a real crime. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
Purchasing cigarettes at the airport and then selling them on to people. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
It's just saving a little bit of tax. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
Exactly. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:56 | |
There you go. It's the mentality of people, see? | 0:24:57 | 0:25:01 | |
But the taxman isn't so relaxed about Mickey's crime. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:10 | |
HMRC's barrister will be arguing | 0:25:10 | 0:25:12 | |
that the gang made nearly £500,000 and they should pay it back. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
The judge can make a confiscation order in the full amount, | 0:25:17 | 0:25:22 | |
which is just in excess of £400,000. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
He will give Mr Pitt time to pay that. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
If Mr Pitt doesn't, then he's liable to be sent to prison | 0:25:29 | 0:25:35 | |
for five years. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:36 | |
It's a lot more than Mickey claims his gang made. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
In the coming days, he will have to convince the judge | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
HMRC's figures are wrong. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
It's rubbish. Look. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
They're just cigarette sales, you might have bought them. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
I'm telling you that's nothing to do with me. You know? | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
It's crazy what they're saying. | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
You know, it just doesn't add up, but I would say that, wouldn't I? | 0:25:59 | 0:26:04 | |
You see that's all I've got, look - debts. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
Look, this is me. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
Debts, debts, debts. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
There's a saying in a song by Bob Dylan, | 0:26:16 | 0:26:17 | |
"steal a little and they throw you in jail, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
"steal a lot and they make you a king," | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
so there is me, under £200,000 that I've stolen, | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
I'm being sent to prison for five years. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
And there are these people that are swerving hundreds of millions | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
and they're called sirs. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:32 | |
What is a sir? | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
Is that a knight in shining armour? | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
Is that a knight in shining armour who's helping people? | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
I don't try to justify it, it was wrong, | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
but on the grand scale of things, what it is | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
is I've been sent to prison for five years initially | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
because I raided the public's purse. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:52 | |
So though I take from the public's purse, | 0:26:52 | 0:26:54 | |
I reimburse them by cheaper alternative cigarettes - | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
not substandard, not dangerous, the same cigarette | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
but with a less taxation attached to it. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
I should be knighted. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:05 | |
You know? | 0:27:07 | 0:27:08 | |
And I mean that. Well, to an extent. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
You know? | 0:27:12 | 0:27:13 | |
But Mickey isn't up for a seat in the House of Lords - | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
he's up in front of a judge who could order him to cough up a small | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
fortune or go back to jail. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:22 | |
It's not poor old me - no, I've done wrong, | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
I should have been held accountable, but to what extent? | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
To this extent? | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
No. No chance. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
This is bollocks, this is. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:36 | |
I'm in Hillingdon with investigator Kiri to find out more about | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
the double dipping operations. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
Have you been surprised by the idea of this double dipping? | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
How easy it is for someone to just walk in here... | 0:27:54 | 0:27:58 | |
..put in a claim | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
for housing benefit, council tax benefit | 0:28:02 | 0:28:04 | |
and the very same afternoon could travel back to where | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
they've come from and start claiming from there as well. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:12 | |
There are claims here for benefits, | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
claims over there and there are houses here given to them | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
by the local authorities and also houses in other countries. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
-There is no link. -It's not a good one. -No link to see whether they are | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
being checked or whether the checks are being carried out. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
It is so easy. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:28 | |
One case stands out. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
Khalid Hussain is a Belgian national with a legitimate passport. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
He's rented a property and he asked for help from England taxpayers, | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
which we are giving it to him, | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
so the information is he's not in this country, | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
he's living in Bruges. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
How much money is involved here? | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
The authorities in Belgium have not calculated their loss yet, | 0:28:49 | 0:28:53 | |
but our loss up to now is about £25,000. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
Hussain's arrest is arranged for the early hours of the morning. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
So we're just following the police team. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:06 | |
Kiri, are you ready? | 0:29:09 | 0:29:10 | |
Dawn and Doug, can you go around the back, please? | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
Morning. Hi, my name's Sergeant Quinn, I'm from Hillingdon police, | 0:29:24 | 0:29:28 | |
I've got a warrant to search these premises. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
It turns out he's not in the country. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
The police asked him about Mr Hussain | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
and the answer given to the police officer was | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
that he's having a holiday in Belgium. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
A few days later and the whole family has gone. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
Is it frustrating for you that he, he has effectively done a runner? | 0:29:50 | 0:29:54 | |
It is. It is because I've done all the work and now he's in Belgium | 0:29:54 | 0:30:00 | |
with thousands of pounds claimed by him from the taxpayers. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:05 | |
I am not able to proceed with this. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
So where has Mr Hussain gone? | 0:30:15 | 0:30:17 | |
I'm going to try and find him in Belgium | 0:30:19 | 0:30:20 | |
and see what he's been up to. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:22 | |
-RECORDED MESSAGE: -'..penny, Jules. You are not going to get away with this. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:34 | |
'Stupid cow, you're so thick, let go of me...' | 0:30:34 | 0:30:38 | |
Andrea's had a breakthrough - | 0:30:41 | 0:30:42 | |
she's found something which could establish the true identity of | 0:30:42 | 0:30:46 | |
the mystery woman she's arrested. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:48 | |
'I'm not letting you get away with this, Jules.' | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
'What are you talking?' | 0:30:51 | 0:30:52 | |
'Why don't you say it to the camera and then we'll show it all in court?' | 0:30:53 | 0:30:57 | |
All I did was just google the name Duffy and this is what I found - | 0:30:58 | 0:31:03 | |
"Angel Juliet Duffy, fraud." | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
-That's the title. -Someone has put this clip on YouTube. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:11 | |
'Smile for the camera, Jules. We've got to know your real name | 0:31:11 | 0:31:13 | |
'and what you've been really doing in the flat. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:15 | |
'Let go of me!' | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
It's an investigator's dream to have something like this. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
I've managed to track down the person who put the clip on YouTube. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:28 | |
She's been very willing to come and see us, in fact, quite excited. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:33 | |
'Can you just drop it, please? | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
-'No.' -'Drop what.' -'Drop what?' | 0:31:35 | 0:31:36 | |
OK, if you could take a seat. Thank you so much for coming in. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
These friends rented one of Angel's properties. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:46 | |
It was the flat Angel was claiming housing benefit to live in, | 0:31:46 | 0:31:50 | |
so she was fraudulently getting two incomes from it - | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
the benefit and the rent. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:55 | |
When we moved in, she was so lovely. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
She said Salomon was like the son she never had | 0:32:00 | 0:32:04 | |
and we'd go to her house for tea. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
We paid our deposit in cash and then the rent as well | 0:32:07 | 0:32:09 | |
cos she said that she didn't trust banks. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:14 | |
Did she give you any receipts? | 0:32:14 | 0:32:15 | |
-No. -No. -No. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:17 | |
Did you not question her about that? | 0:32:17 | 0:32:19 | |
-We did. -Well, the thing is... | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
To be honest, she was so nice and... | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
Things soon started going wrong - | 0:32:25 | 0:32:27 | |
the washing machine didn't work and there was no hot water. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:30 | |
We started complaining about all the stuff going on in the flat. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
-Right. -That's when she started getting aggressive. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
-Right. -She would just burst in at any time in the flat, no warning, | 0:32:36 | 0:32:41 | |
no nothing, no notice. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:42 | |
She would just come in and she would be shouting the odds, | 0:32:42 | 0:32:44 | |
especially at Salomon, that, | 0:32:44 | 0:32:46 | |
"You're doing this, you're breaking my flat, | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
"you're not going to get your deposit money back." | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
She said, "We're going to see, I've done that before to people like you | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
"guys, I will keep doing it, blah, blah, blah." | 0:32:53 | 0:32:55 | |
-I was, "All right, fine." -They say things came to a head four months | 0:32:55 | 0:32:59 | |
after they moved in when Angel turned up with some heavies. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:03 | |
She brought four guys and they were throwing things out, | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
I was like, "Jules, why are you behaving like this? | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
"We just paid our rent, you know, | 0:33:08 | 0:33:10 | |
"we just need this and this fixed and that's all." | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
-She came with those guys, they threatened to beat me up. -OK. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
-I was absolutely scared. -I can imagine. Quite intimidating, really. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
That's when I decided to get my phone out | 0:33:20 | 0:33:21 | |
and I was like, "I'm going to record all of this." | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
I say in the video that you're not going to get away with this, | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
that's all I want, just for them to bring her down | 0:33:26 | 0:33:30 | |
cos she's a horrible person, manipulative and aggressive. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:34 | |
This could be crucial evidence. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:38 | |
The couple can identify the real Angel Duffy. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
'You are not getting away with this. Trust me, all of you.' | 0:33:43 | 0:33:48 | |
I just wanted people to know what she looks like | 0:33:48 | 0:33:50 | |
cos I'm sure she has done it to so many other people. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
It's so great that finally, finally | 0:33:52 | 0:33:56 | |
something is happening now. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:57 | |
The picture I now have of Duffy is | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
that she is a very, very manipulative, conniving individual. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:08 | |
She is a bully, | 0:34:08 | 0:34:10 | |
she had completely got them where she wanted them to be. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:14 | |
There are a number of other people | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
that we've come across that has been affected by her behaviour. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
She is really a nasty piece of work. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
Hopefully, today is the last day, hopefully, this is the end of it. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:38 | |
I don't know what the outcome's going to be. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
It's judgment day for Mickey Pitt. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:42 | |
You seem remarkably cheerful for | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
a man that might be faced with a prison sentence later on today. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:52 | |
Cos I'm eating. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:53 | |
Right, I need to... I need to get dressed. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
He's back in court. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:04 | |
The judge has decided how much he made from his cigarette smuggling | 0:35:04 | 0:35:08 | |
and how much he has to pay back. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:09 | |
What I'd like to happen? | 0:35:12 | 0:35:14 | |
I'd like the judge to say, "You can have that money back | 0:35:14 | 0:35:16 | |
"we took off you when we arrested you." It's about £3,000. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
That's what I'd like him to do. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:21 | |
But I don't think he's going to do that. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
Hopefully, he's going to say I've had about 50K out of it | 0:35:24 | 0:35:28 | |
and is going to be happy that I've got no money, I've got no hidden assets. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:33 | |
The right approach would be just to give me a nominal penalty, you know, | 0:35:33 | 0:35:37 | |
£100, £10, £1 fine or whatever. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
How are you going to feel once this is over? | 0:35:47 | 0:35:49 | |
Relieved. It depends on what the outcome is though, as well, though. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
I might be pissed off. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
If things go badly and he can't pay his debts, | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
this case will be hanging over him for years to come. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
Even if he serves a sentence, that doesn't wipe out the debt. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:09 | |
It still remains, and so this process can go on and on, | 0:36:09 | 0:36:13 | |
and he can be pursued in the courts for the money. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:17 | |
The judge rules the gang made more than 160 grand. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:21 | |
He accepts Mickey spent most of his share, | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
but he's ordered him to pay £36,000 in six months, or go back to jail. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:30 | |
I feel like laughing, but I don't know whether to cry! | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
It's bollocks! Haven't got money! | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
I'm skint! | 0:36:36 | 0:36:37 | |
I think there are going to be some people who are going to say, | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
-"It's fair because you've broken the law." -I've broken the law, | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
I went to prison for five years, initially got five years. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
It was... I'm a cigarette fucking smuggler, | 0:36:46 | 0:36:48 | |
not a fucking rapist or a fucking paedophile. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
I got five years for cigarette smuggling, the Court of Appeal said | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
that was a bit harsh. So they knocked it down to four years. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:56 | |
He's just given me another year back. | 0:36:56 | 0:36:58 | |
I kind of put myself in this predicament, | 0:37:00 | 0:37:01 | |
but I haven't got the money they said I've got. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:03 | |
They said I've hid the money. I've hid the money! | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
I haven't hid it! | 0:37:06 | 0:37:07 | |
You know? | 0:37:08 | 0:37:10 | |
It's just bollocks. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:11 | |
I felt like saying to the judge that he might have sent me to jail now. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
But, you know, I've got six months to win the lottery | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
between now and then so, you know, who knows? | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
Yeah, they want... Those fucking wankers want... | 0:37:26 | 0:37:30 | |
Said I've got 35K hidden somewhere. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
But with a 14-month jail sentence hanging over him, | 0:37:32 | 0:37:36 | |
the pressure's on for Mickey to find the cash. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
So this is Bruges, | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
and we're here because we're looking at the case of Khalid Hussain. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:59 | |
Now, this is a guy who claims benefits in the UK, | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
but the suggestion is that he actually also lives and works here | 0:38:02 | 0:38:07 | |
in Bruges. We have an address where he was last registered, | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
so we're going to go and see if we can find that, | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
and use that as a starting point for our investigation. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
This is where... | 0:38:23 | 0:38:24 | |
..he was registered as living, just here on the end. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
But they're quite nice houses. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
I've teamed up with a local fixer. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:34 | |
She gets out to see what we can find. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
Yes, here we are. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:38 | |
I have some publicity with me to put in the letterbox if needed. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:47 | |
-Sort of cover, yeah? -Exactly. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:49 | |
-And as you can see, here he is. -Wow. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
Now, Khalid Hussain is not that uncommon a name, | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
but nonetheless this seems to suggest that this is where he is. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
Yeah, yeah. | 0:38:58 | 0:38:59 | |
As you can see here... | 0:39:00 | 0:39:02 | |
It looks like Khalid Hussain is here, | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
but we need proof. We need to see him. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:06 | |
This guy looks very wet. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:18 | |
Just as we're about to give up, the front door opens. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:23 | |
Damn, I can't see him because of the bloody rain. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
Not much of a glimpse. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:32 | |
It could be Khalid Hussain, but we'll have to keep on looking. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
Put it down. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:52 | |
-SHE SNIFFS -I just wanted a sniff. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
-Can I have some cake, Andrea? -Yes. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:59 | |
It's been two months since | 0:39:59 | 0:40:00 | |
Andrea's team arrested the woman with multiple identities. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:04 | |
The evidence is building she's the person they're after - | 0:40:05 | 0:40:09 | |
a fraudster called Angel. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
Final confirmation comes from Angel's own solicitor. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
He's confirmed that Diva Paris Anderson... | 0:40:16 | 0:40:20 | |
-Yeah. -..the person who we arrested, is indeed Angel Juliet Jackson. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:26 | |
And he said... | 0:40:26 | 0:40:28 | |
-What did I tell you? -He doesn't... | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
What did we say? What did we say all along? | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
She's just a compulsive liar all the way through. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
It's one lie after the other. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
Angel is now suspected of committing more than 20 offences, | 0:40:39 | 0:40:43 | |
from using a false ID to housing benefit fraud. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
She's also linked to more than 35 bank accounts, | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
and there are some serious sums going through them. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:53 | |
£2,000, £5,000. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:57 | |
£22,000. | 0:40:57 | 0:40:59 | |
£6,000. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
The highest figure I have going into one of the accounts | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
is £50,000 in a day. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
I don't know where this money's coming from. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:12 | |
The problem is, for us and the council, are the same - | 0:41:14 | 0:41:18 | |
the money tends to be a little bit transient. It tends to move. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:22 | |
They decide to charge Angel as quickly as possible. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:25 | |
They're worried that she and the money may disappear abroad. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:29 | |
Back in Belgium, and we're struggling to find Khalid Hussain | 0:41:32 | 0:41:36 | |
at his house, so we're trying to find another approach. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:38 | |
We're trying to find out if Khalid Hussain is living | 0:41:41 | 0:41:44 | |
and working, crucially, here in Bruges. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:46 | |
We're going to follow our main clue, | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
which is the last place he was registered as working, | 0:41:49 | 0:41:51 | |
which is Cafe Central, here right in the centre of Bruges. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:54 | |
Yeah, we might only have a starter, actually, you see. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
-WAITER: -Yeah, no problem. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:03 | |
So we've been here about half an hour. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
We haven't seen Khalid Hussain yet. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
One of the crew, posing as a TV location scout, | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
asks if she can look around. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
At the back of the restaurant, | 0:42:16 | 0:42:17 | |
she gets a glimpse of a man we think might be Khalid Hussain. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:22 | |
A-ha! Hi. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
How much are they? | 0:42:24 | 0:42:25 | |
-How much are the cigarettes here? -HE SPEAKS INDISTINCTLY | 0:42:27 | 0:42:31 | |
He disappears into the kitchen, so we talk our way in there as well. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:35 | |
Hello. I'm sorry to disturb you. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
-Yeah, hi. -It's fine. Television, hey? -Watch out. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:43 | |
-And there he is, right at the back... -It's a great kitchen. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
..Khalid Hussain. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:47 | |
You guys seem a very good team. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:50 | |
Yeah, there's pretty... | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 | |
Yeah, I know you speak English, you were helping me | 0:42:53 | 0:42:55 | |
with the cigarette machine. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
-Caught you out. -He's very shy. -Are you? | 0:42:57 | 0:43:01 | |
It's not surprising he's cautious. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:02 | |
Over the last two years, he's stolen £25,000 from the UK taxpayer. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:08 | |
Have you been to the UK? | 0:43:08 | 0:43:10 | |
Yeah? | 0:43:10 | 0:43:12 | |
Did you like it? Which part did you visit? Do you know? Uh-huh. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
Sorry? | 0:43:18 | 0:43:20 | |
Uh-huh. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:21 | |
We've found him. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:27 | |
When his shift is over, I'd like to have a word with him. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:30 | |
Today, we're going to arrest, | 0:43:35 | 0:43:37 | |
we're hoping to arrest Angel Juliet Jackson. | 0:43:37 | 0:43:40 | |
Back in Croydon, and Andrea is now ready to charge Angel. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:44 | |
But there's a problem. They don't know where she is. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:48 | |
She has broken her bail conditions. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:52 | |
She has not returned to the... for the bail date. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:56 | |
She has supplied a letter from a hospital to say that | 0:43:56 | 0:44:00 | |
she's had a suspected stroke. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:03 | |
I can't take her letter on face value, | 0:44:03 | 0:44:05 | |
because we have evidence showing | 0:44:05 | 0:44:06 | |
that she's falsified documents from doctors previously. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:10 | |
The worry is she's about to do a runner. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:19 | |
KNOCKING | 0:44:31 | 0:44:34 | |
Definitely came from there. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:39 | |
Right now, we've heard someone in there. | 0:44:39 | 0:44:41 | |
We believe we've heard someone in there. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:43 | |
It's Andrea Cordrey, from Croydon Council | 0:44:43 | 0:44:46 | |
with the police. Can you open the door, please? | 0:44:46 | 0:44:49 | |
Angel, you need to come to the door where you can hear me. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:53 | |
We know you're in there, so we can force entry if we need to. | 0:44:55 | 0:44:58 | |
-But this isn't Scooby-Doo, unfortunately. -No, no. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:07 | |
It's sad, really, but we'll have to go in. We'll have to force entry. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:12 | |
Angel, we're coming in now. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:18 | |
You need to stand back away from the door, or come and open it now. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:21 | |
Police! Police! | 0:45:29 | 0:45:31 | |
-There's no balcony here? -No balcony, no. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:42 | |
Nothing. Nothing. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:49 | |
The walls are so thin in these buildings that it's quite | 0:45:49 | 0:45:52 | |
possible that what we heard was from next door, then. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:57 | |
From the walls next door. | 0:45:57 | 0:45:59 | |
They've just missed her. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:01 | |
The windows are still open. | 0:46:01 | 0:46:03 | |
The electric heaters are still on. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:05 | |
-What is that book? -The Master... | 0:46:10 | 0:46:13 | |
Grimoire. Grimoire Of Magical Rites. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:16 | |
The witchcraft, or the juju stuff. | 0:46:19 | 0:46:21 | |
Have you seen her lately? | 0:46:26 | 0:46:28 | |
I think I saw her last night. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:30 | |
Last night? OK. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:32 | |
-But not this morning. Not this morning. -Not this morning. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:34 | |
Angel has vanished. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:37 | |
It's what they feared. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:38 | |
All they can do now is hope that the police can find her. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:43 | |
So we're outside the restaurant in Bruges where we know Khalid Hussain | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
works, and we know where he is working tonight. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:56 | |
And we are waiting for him. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:58 | |
My name's Richard Bilton. I work for the BBC. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:02 | |
I just want to have a quick word with you about your benefits, | 0:47:02 | 0:47:05 | |
cos you get about a bit, don't you? | 0:47:05 | 0:47:06 | |
You claim here in Belgium and you claim in the UK. | 0:47:06 | 0:47:10 | |
How's that possible? | 0:47:10 | 0:47:12 | |
Just tell us, how could you claim benefits here in Belgium | 0:47:12 | 0:47:15 | |
and in the UK? | 0:47:15 | 0:47:16 | |
But you live here. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:19 | |
Sir, please just give me your explanation. | 0:47:21 | 0:47:23 | |
He eventually stops to talk. | 0:47:23 | 0:47:26 | |
OK, but you did claim benefits here in Belgium, didn't you? | 0:47:26 | 0:47:28 | |
Now you've got a job now, but you did in the past, didn't you? | 0:47:30 | 0:47:33 | |
In the past? You've claimed benefits in Belgium? | 0:47:33 | 0:47:36 | |
Yeah, yeah. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:39 | |
So you claimed benefits in Belgium and you claim benefits in the UK. | 0:47:39 | 0:47:42 | |
So Mr Hussain says he's sorry. | 0:47:49 | 0:47:52 | |
It's not really us he has to explain to. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:54 | |
It's the British taxpayer, and more immediately, it's the police. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:58 | |
I take our footage back to show Kiri. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:02 | |
-There he is. -Oh, yes. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:06 | |
Mr Hussain. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:07 | |
ON VIDEO: 'I just wanted to have a quick word with you about your benefits. Cos you claim benefits | 0:48:07 | 0:48:11 | |
'in a country that you don't live!' | 0:48:11 | 0:48:13 | |
When you see his life, I'm not defending what he did, | 0:48:13 | 0:48:17 | |
but he doesn't have a glamorous life. He's working late shifts | 0:48:17 | 0:48:19 | |
at the back of a kitchen in Belgium. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:22 | |
Does it temper the way you feel about him to see that he...? | 0:48:22 | 0:48:25 | |
No, no. There's nothing stopping him from claiming in Belgium. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:29 | |
That's where he lives. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:31 | |
I mean, if he's in receipt of low earnings from his employer, | 0:48:31 | 0:48:34 | |
there's nothing stopping him from claiming in Belgium. | 0:48:34 | 0:48:38 | |
What is wrong and seriously wrong is claiming to be living in the UK and | 0:48:38 | 0:48:43 | |
claiming off of our taxpayers. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:45 | |
There are thousands of people here who deserve help. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:49 | |
And he has taken all that money away from them. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:52 | |
20,000 plus from the taxpayers. | 0:48:52 | 0:48:54 | |
How many cases are there like that? | 0:48:54 | 0:48:57 | |
A lot, lot more. How many claims are made using easy passports? | 0:48:57 | 0:49:02 | |
Do we have the means to check whether | 0:49:02 | 0:49:07 | |
these people are claiming in other countries? | 0:49:07 | 0:49:09 | |
I don't think so. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:10 | |
Do we have a system in place to cross-match the details? | 0:49:11 | 0:49:17 | |
I don't think so. So these people do get away with it. | 0:49:17 | 0:49:21 | |
There's got to be some way of preventing this. | 0:49:21 | 0:49:24 | |
Five years on, and Mr Hussain hasn't returned to face justice. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:30 | |
Today, councils don't investigate this kind of benefit fraud. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:34 | |
That job's been handed to the Department of Work and Pensions. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:38 | |
-Whilst I'm not saying she hasn't had a stroke... -There's nothing showing that she has. -I'm not a doctor. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:48 | |
There's nothing in this paperwork to say that she has had a stroke. | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
It's just she went to hospital complaining of symptoms | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
that could be a stroke. | 0:49:54 | 0:49:55 | |
Andrea and her team are at the police station, | 0:49:56 | 0:49:59 | |
preparing to welcome a special guest. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:01 | |
Angel Duffy, or Angel Jackson, or Diva Paris Anderson, | 0:50:04 | 0:50:10 | |
has decided to turn herself in. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:12 | |
She claims to have suffered a stroke. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:15 | |
-OVER INTERCOM: -'Hello?' | 0:50:17 | 0:50:20 | |
-WEAKLY: -Hello. -'Hello.' -I've got an appointment. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:22 | |
Jackson is your surname? | 0:50:28 | 0:50:30 | |
She's here, that's the main thing. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:34 | |
She'll be assessed by the police and we'll go from there. | 0:50:34 | 0:50:37 | |
Right, Angel. Very importantly, have you ever tried to harm yourself? | 0:50:39 | 0:50:43 | |
SHE PANTS | 0:50:43 | 0:50:47 | |
Angel, it's taking more effort for you to breathe heavily like that | 0:50:47 | 0:50:50 | |
than it is for you to talk to me. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:51 | |
So can you talk to me, please? | 0:50:51 | 0:50:53 | |
The team has evidence suggesting Angel has faked strokes before | 0:50:54 | 0:50:58 | |
to claim disability benefit. | 0:50:58 | 0:51:00 | |
They're going to get a police doctor to look at her. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:03 | |
Angel, listen, you've put your coat on yourself, | 0:51:03 | 0:51:06 | |
you've got yourself dressed and you've got yourself here. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:08 | |
I need you to take it off so that we can search you properly. | 0:51:08 | 0:51:13 | |
All right? | 0:51:14 | 0:51:15 | |
This is just pure drama. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:19 | |
Oscar-winning performance, exactly as I thought it would be. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:22 | |
If I was a betting woman, I would be winning right now. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:26 | |
The only thing that was missing | 0:51:26 | 0:51:27 | |
was her throwing herself literally on the floor. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:30 | |
She knows what's coming. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:34 | |
She knows that there is no way of avoiding it. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
And what she's trying to do is play the card that | 0:51:37 | 0:51:40 | |
"I am so ill, I am sick, I can't walk, I can't talk, | 0:51:40 | 0:51:44 | |
"I can't read, I can't write." | 0:51:44 | 0:51:45 | |
-MUMBLING: -Dear God... Don't let my... | 0:51:45 | 0:51:49 | |
The police doctor says she's fit to be detained and interviewed. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:57 | |
Something which you later rely on in court and anything you do or say | 0:51:57 | 0:52:00 | |
may be given in evidence. | 0:52:00 | 0:52:02 | |
Can you tell me when it was that you came to this country? | 0:52:02 | 0:52:04 | |
No comment? OK. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:10 | |
What name was it that you used to come to this country? | 0:52:10 | 0:52:12 | |
OK. You might as well raise your... | 0:52:15 | 0:52:18 | |
I'm tired. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:21 | |
Two hours later, and the mood changes dramatically. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:25 | |
And she was accusing you of chucking her out of her property as her | 0:52:25 | 0:52:28 | |
-landlady. -Obviously somebody's upset about something. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:31 | |
-You seem a little bit better than you were feeling... -Yes! | 0:52:31 | 0:52:33 | |
-You're being quite animated. -Because it's too much! | 0:52:33 | 0:52:35 | |
It's too much when a person puts something on you. It's too much! | 0:52:35 | 0:52:38 | |
People's lives should be more important! | 0:52:38 | 0:52:40 | |
You've done that... My health is at risk! | 0:52:40 | 0:52:43 | |
You put my health at risk! | 0:52:43 | 0:52:44 | |
Doctors are telling you... | 0:52:44 | 0:52:46 | |
She is remanded in custody until her trial. | 0:52:46 | 0:52:49 | |
This Ms Cordrey, what does she want from you? | 0:52:49 | 0:52:50 | |
We are now going to start getting on with the job at hand. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:57 | |
This is to bring her to court | 0:52:57 | 0:52:58 | |
so that the victims can get some justice. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:02 | |
Is there anything else you need? You sure you don't want anything to eat? | 0:53:02 | 0:53:04 | |
-No, just give me some space. -Yeah? OK. -I appreciate it. | 0:53:04 | 0:53:07 | |
-No problem at all. -But Angel won't be imprisoned for long. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:12 | |
In the coming months, | 0:53:12 | 0:53:13 | |
events will take place that will turn this case on its head. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:16 | |
It's been over a year since Mickey was ordered to pay back his £36,000. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:31 | |
I've come to see how he's getting on. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:32 | |
-You all right? -Yeah, I'm good. -So this is where you ended up? | 0:53:36 | 0:53:39 | |
One of the places, yeah. | 0:53:39 | 0:53:41 | |
Mickey didn't pay and was sentenced to 14 months. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:45 | |
What was your attitude like this second time, | 0:53:46 | 0:53:48 | |
compared to serving the first sentence? | 0:53:48 | 0:53:50 | |
-Was it different? -I was pissed off. | 0:53:50 | 0:53:53 | |
It was fucking wrong! | 0:53:53 | 0:53:54 | |
I swear on my children's life, I didn't make that money. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:57 | |
I didn't make the money. You're laughing! | 0:53:57 | 0:53:59 | |
I'm not laughing! I'm only laughing because your passion, it never dims. | 0:53:59 | 0:54:02 | |
No, but it's the truth! | 0:54:02 | 0:54:04 | |
It's not about being passionate, it's about being honest! | 0:54:04 | 0:54:07 | |
Despite going to prison twice because of the same crime, | 0:54:07 | 0:54:11 | |
he remains defiant. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:13 | |
I'm telling you this. If there is a God upstairs... | 0:54:13 | 0:54:15 | |
-Yes. -..he'll let me in. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:17 | |
-Right. -He'll put me on probation, but he'll let me in. | 0:54:17 | 0:54:20 | |
-Yes. -But he won't let Tony Blair in. -He probably... -Or Georgie Bush. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:22 | |
He'd probably search you as you came in, wouldn't he? | 0:54:22 | 0:54:25 | |
-In case you're bringing in some... -He's got magic eyes. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:27 | |
He's got magic eyes! | 0:54:27 | 0:54:29 | |
Do you look back and regret it now? | 0:54:30 | 0:54:32 | |
Getting caught, yeah. My only regret is getting caught. | 0:54:32 | 0:54:35 | |
I'm not going to burn in hell for what I done. | 0:54:36 | 0:54:39 | |
You know? What I done was... | 0:54:40 | 0:54:43 | |
-acceptable. -You can't do that. You can't get away with that, | 0:54:43 | 0:54:46 | |
-I don't think. -Why not? -Because... | 0:54:46 | 0:54:48 | |
Because basically, you were making money out of... | 0:54:48 | 0:54:50 | |
-Yeah. -..cigarettes, that duty wasn't paid on them. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:53 | |
-Yeah. -We all depend on that duty. | 0:54:53 | 0:54:54 | |
Yeah, no, no. But in turn, the people that buy them are saving money. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:58 | |
There's no moral case to this. | 0:54:58 | 0:54:59 | |
You can't accept that. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:01 | |
Listen, it was wrong. It was wrong. | 0:55:01 | 0:55:03 | |
But I will live with myself. | 0:55:03 | 0:55:05 | |
You know? I don't think... | 0:55:05 | 0:55:08 | |
I think that when somebody, you know, | 0:55:08 | 0:55:10 | |
pays himself £1 billion and decides to use, you know, non-domiciles | 0:55:10 | 0:55:16 | |
to evade tax, OK, | 0:55:16 | 0:55:19 | |
or avoid tax, | 0:55:19 | 0:55:21 | |
is more morally wrong than me. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:23 | |
Yeah, but that's like saying, "I only beat people up, | 0:55:23 | 0:55:25 | |
"but he murders people, so therefore my crime doesn't really compare to him." | 0:55:25 | 0:55:29 | |
You committed a crime. You just committed a crime. It doesn't matter what anybody else is doing. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:33 | |
But I was a drop in the ocean. | 0:55:33 | 0:55:34 | |
You know? It was pennies, what I obtained. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:38 | |
But the powerful and the elite... | 0:55:38 | 0:55:40 | |
we won't worry about them. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:42 | |
They've got friends in high places. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:45 | |
That's how it is. But you know this. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:47 | |
Could you ever imagine yourself back in another scam? | 0:55:48 | 0:55:51 | |
No. No. I mean, what do you want me to say? | 0:55:51 | 0:55:54 | |
That, you know, I'm digging a tunnel to my local bank? | 0:55:54 | 0:55:56 | |
No, I don't, but after all you've been through, | 0:55:56 | 0:55:58 | |
this is the time now to just... straight and narrow. | 0:55:58 | 0:56:01 | |
Yeah. I would like to... | 0:56:01 | 0:56:04 | |
I don't know. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:09 | |
Pay my debt to society, you know, to pay my way in life. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:13 | |
But, you know, | 0:56:13 | 0:56:15 | |
like I said, my prospects are pretty slim. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:19 | |
I don't think I've got, you know, I'm going to be headhunted. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:22 | |
You know? I'll let fate decide what happens to me. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:25 | |
I hope Mickey doesn't leave it to fate | 0:56:27 | 0:56:29 | |
and uses his abilities to try and pay his debts legally. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:33 | |
Otherwise, he's going to have a 36 grand debt hanging over him | 0:56:33 | 0:56:37 | |
for the rest of his life. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:39 | |
Next week, there's a dramatic twist in Angel Jackson's case. | 0:56:45 | 0:56:48 | |
It's a bit stressful. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:51 | |
We got a phone call from the prison informing us that she had a stroke. | 0:56:51 | 0:56:54 | |
It seems as if she's beaten me. | 0:56:56 | 0:56:59 | |
And the net closes on fraudsters using benefits to live abroad. | 0:57:01 | 0:57:06 | |
If you look up at the camera, imagine what he was thinking. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:09 | |
"Are you watching me?" | 0:57:09 | 0:57:11 | |
Hell yeah. We are watching you. | 0:57:12 | 0:57:14 |