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He's carrying fishing rods on his back. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:05 | |
Yeah, I've got him, Deb. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:06 | |
There's absolutely nothing wrong with him, | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
-is there? -No. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
He's fit and well, but claiming disability. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
Benefit fraud costs the British taxpayer £1.6 billion a year. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:20 | |
My name is Richard Bilton and I've spent the last five years following | 0:00:20 | 0:00:24 | |
benefit fraud investigators... | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
Ooh! | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
..and the people they're after. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
All I envisaged was prison and the door being slammed. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:38 | |
In this episode... | 0:00:39 | 0:00:41 | |
She's wearing a blue puffer jacket with a brown handbag. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:46 | |
Her level of deception, it's beyond my comprehension. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:51 | |
..investigators struggle to bring a sophisticated fraudster to book... | 0:00:51 | 0:00:56 | |
Cannabis factory upstairs. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
..a woman fights for her home and reputation... | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
I'm not a wrong 'un, I'm not a cannabis grower, | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
I'm not all this drug person they think I'm made out to be. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
..and investigating suspects so disabled, | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
they're getting benefits for life. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
His nickname's Sick Note. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
It's a well-known fact that he's been fiddling. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
Action. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
This is Tania Amisi. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
She's stylish... | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
..has expensive tastes... | 0:01:37 | 0:01:38 | |
..and travels the world. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
She is also thought to be funding it | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
with benefits totalling hundreds of thousands of pounds. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:52 | |
'I've come to meet the investigators who are trying to catch her - ' | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
-Hi, Richard. -How you doing? | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
'Mo Stanislas and undercover officer Helen.' | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
LIFT: Doors opening. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:07 | |
Mo and Helen specialise in investigating high-value | 0:02:07 | 0:02:12 | |
fraud cases, but the woman they're after is brazen and smart. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
This is her company - fake company - Le Chateau D'or. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
-That's her. -That's her there? -Yeah. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
Tania Amisi is a single mum who works on a minimum wage | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
in a betting shop. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
At least that's what she claimed. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
And according to this website, she's got a fashion house. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
Which is selling exclusive designer wear. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
Very expensive prices, so it shows that she's not being genuine | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
with the information she's given. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
Tania's life, which they found played out over the internet, | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
suggests glamour and wealth, but it's a lie. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
She's a crook. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
They started investigating her after she was arrested for | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
trying to cash false cheques. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
The police found fake IDs and bank statements in her flat that showed | 0:03:02 | 0:03:07 | |
large amounts of money being paid into them by councils across London. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:12 | |
So within a few days of each other we've got Westminster Council paying | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
housing benefit, London Borough of Brent, Hackney starts paying her. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:21 | |
They're big sums, aren't they? | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
They're massive amounts. That's over £3,500 within a couple of days of | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
-each other. -We tend to do multiple ID frauds, | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
but hers is off the scale in the fact that she's manipulated | 0:03:30 | 0:03:34 | |
so many different local authorities and they're unaware of it. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
How much do you think she's taken, just from looking at the file? | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
20,000, 30,000. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:44 | |
And that's only a snapshot. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
A snapshot of a couple of months here in 2010. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
When we started to look further into it, we realised that they were live, | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
we've got live benefit claims running at this moment in time. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
They found three housing benefit claims she's currently making | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
in boroughs across London. It's evidence of a crime, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
but they need to link her to the bank accounts. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
RADIO CRACKLES | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
The plan now is to launch an undercover surveillance operation. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
Housing is a national problem. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
1.2 million people are on the waiting list for council houses. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
On the outskirts of London, Havering Council has launched a crackdown. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
Investigators already have a woman in their sights. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
Hello. Come in. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
Meet Julie Smith. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
-Shut the door. -She earns a living as a gardener. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
-This is my dad. -Hello there. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
I'm living with Mum and Dad. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:53 | |
She's living with us. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
Shall I put it the proper way? She's poncing. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
My mum's always cooked for everyone. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
Whoever comes round, she's always got a spare dinner, | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
-haven't you, Mum? -Yeah. Even if they want it or not. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
Julie moved in with her parents | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
after she came under investigation for fraud. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
I think I just needed to show you my side of the story to show you | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
that I'm not a wrong 'un, I'm just a normal person. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
The allegations are serious. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
She could end up doing time. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
I don't want to get put in prison, | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
you know. I don't really feel like I've done anything wrong. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
I really don't feel like I've done anything wrong. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
You haven't. She hasn't. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
Well, benefit fraud should never enter her mind. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
Cos if Julie wants anything, | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
she comes to us like the rest of the kids do. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
It's just the way they've said it's happened, | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
and OK, I can see from their side, | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
but it's not how it happened. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
None of it's happened like that. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
She's been shit on from a great height by numpties. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
Morning, everybody. We're a little bit restrained for time. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
The warrant is in relation to benefit and housing fraud. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
It all started a year ago when Havering Council organised a raid on | 0:06:07 | 0:06:12 | |
Julie's boyfriend's house. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
And then if they're not there, I've got her telephone number, | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
so we could call her to come back instead of putting the door in. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
Is that all right? | 0:06:21 | 0:06:22 | |
Ruth Kirby and Leigh Stevens | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
are fraud investigators from Havering. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
They're in charge of the case. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
Tell me what your suspicions are, then. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
My suspicions are that we're paying housing benefit for a property | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
that Miss Smith's not living in. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
This is where Julie Smith is supposed to live - | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
a council flat in Romford. But investigators think | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
she really lives 60 miles away with her boyfriend. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
They're going to raid both properties. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
Is there any defendable reason why you could have two properties? | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
No. She's made a claim for housing benefit in Romford | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
and that's where she should be living. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
First stop, it's her boyfriend's, where they think she's now living. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
It's a lot of cops, isn't it? | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
It's a lot of cops. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
We're hoping to find her there and then, you know, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
see that she actually lives in the house by looking at, you know, | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
the set-up of the house. If all her clothes are there | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
and her correspondence, that they're living together as a couple. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
Well, it looks like there's someone in. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
(Do we go in there?) | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
Thank you. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
OK, thanks very much. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
Hello. Are you Julie Smith? | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
-Yeah. -Yeah, hello. I'm Ruth | 0:07:45 | 0:07:46 | |
and I work for the housing benefit investigations team. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
We're here today because you're not residing at the property | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
that you're claiming benefit for. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:53 | |
This is the moment Julie Smith first realises she's in trouble. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
What we just want you to give us is any of your correspondence, | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
like your driving licence, your passport, | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
your bank statements. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:04 | |
I also understand that you put in a Right to Buy application | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
-to buy that property? -Yeah, I am at the moment. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
OK. Well, you're obviously not residing there. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
-I do reside there, yeah. -Do you? -Yeah, I stay here as well. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
All right, OK. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:16 | |
Well, could you just get your correspondence for us now then? | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
I don't know if I've got anything like that. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
Where's all your bank statements? Where are they kept? | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
DOG BARKS | 0:08:26 | 0:08:27 | |
Erm, Santander... | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
They came early in the morning. It was just a shock. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
I couldn't make out what they were talking about and where they were | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
getting their information from. What are you looking for? | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
Well, just stuff that's addressed to you, really, because you're not | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
residing at the property that housing benefit's being paid on. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
This is your home, isn't it? | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
-No. -OK. -This is Neil's home. -All right, then. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
It was a shock, yes, especially at Neil's house because Neil's, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
you know, he's not, he's so straight, isn't he? | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
-He's not like that. -HER FATHER: -Soft jelly, isn't he? | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
-Yeah. -Frightened the life out of you, didn't it? | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
Neil had a little bit of weed there. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
-Sergeant. -Sarge. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
They've found a cannabis, cannabis plants upstairs. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
Cannabis factory upstairs. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:15 | |
Julie's boyfriend has a bit more than housing benefit to explain. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:20 | |
Nearly one in 20 of the British population | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
claim disability benefits. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
Most are genuine, | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
but finding the fraudsters requires specialist investigators. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
In Staffordshire, Lisa Prince is the lead investigator | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
tackling those suspected of exaggerating their disabilities. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:49 | |
The public have seen these types of cases on TV, | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
particularly with the surveillance. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
This is our equipment cupboard where we keep all the covert cameras. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:59 | |
Bit like James Bond, 007. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
It's the old cliche, isn't it? The camera never lies. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:05 | |
She's looking at some extreme cases of people who are supposed to be | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
so disabled, they've been awarded benefits for life. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
It's where there is no review of the benefit. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
Those are the people that the Department view | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
would never get better. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:19 | |
Like this man, Steven "Buster" Fitzpatrick. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
He says he's got arthritis so bad that he can't grip a pen | 0:10:22 | 0:10:27 | |
and needs 24-7 care. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
They've had a report on the fraud hotline | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
that he's a local fishing champion. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
A tip-off is one thing, but proving it, quite another. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:39 | |
It'll need an undercover sting. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
Do you know what, I'm going to get underneath. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
I'm not suited and booted, I'm afraid. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
Hello. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:52 | |
Lisa's got wind that Buster will be | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
taking part in a fishing competition here this weekend. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:01 | |
What we'll do, we'll pick him up from the car park, | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
hopefully get some footage | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
carrying his fishing equipment along this path. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
Now, Buster claims he's wheelchair-bound. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
They want to see how he'll navigate this path. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
It's useful having that building opposite. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
We can use that as cover. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
Nobody will know that we're here on the day. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
We'll be completely covert. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
Just need for him to make sure he turns up, so fingers crossed. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
It's the day of the fishing competition. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
Lisa's sent investigators Donna and Mark | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
to stake out Buster's home address. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
-BLEEP -hell! -Speed bumps. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
That wasn't a bump, that was like a person! | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
-LISA: -You all right? | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
Hiya. Lise, he's just opening his curtains, love. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:57 | |
Oh, is he? | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
Seven in the morning and it looks like their target is getting ready | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
-to go fishing. -He's standing holding his back, | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
talking to his mate who's come over | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
with all his fishing gear on a trolley. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
The fact that he's actually coming out to fish... | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
-What a start. -Just hope they don't decide to go to another venue. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
It's going to be interesting today to see | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
what he's actually capable of doing himself. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:25 | |
The team meet up at the fishing pond and get into position. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
That's the pond where they'll be fishing, so he's got to walk down, | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
or get his wheelchair down this path here. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
This is perfect, though, isn't it? | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
I didn't realise we were going to be as close as this. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
Ooh, you make a lovely window cleaner! | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
Donna's going to film hopefully from inside her car of him arriving. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:58 | |
Just wait for him to turn up now. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
They're here. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:10 | |
And they are out, out, out. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
He's wearing a green and white plaid shirt. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
Maybe a beige baseball cap. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
He's carrying fishing rods on his back. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
Yeah, I've got him, Deb. And his trolley. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
Yeah, I've got him. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
Unaided. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
Oh, he's getting his rod out. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
Sorry?! | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
THEY SNIGGER | 0:13:38 | 0:13:39 | |
What's he doing with that? He's got no grip. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
There's absolutely nothing wrong with him, is there? | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
They've seen him fishing, but to get a conviction, | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
they need to prove how long he's been at it. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
Back with the Havering investigators, | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
the search for evidence of Julie Smith's suspected | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
housing benefit fraud has uncovered another crime. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
There's probably about 12 plants there, | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
but to me they look like they are in full bloom | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
and probably ready for harvest. It's a bonus for us. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
Judging from what he's telling me, | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
and I've got no reason to disbelieve him at the moment, | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
but he says it's for his personal use. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
Oh, right, because he's got arthritis, hasn't he? Yeah. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
All I'm trying to do is save myself a bit of bloody money. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
I thought I'd have a go myself. What a div I am. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:14:32 | 0:14:33 | |
-You'll come across then, mate? -Yeah, ready to go, yeah. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
Julie and her boyfriend are arrested for suspected drug offences, | 0:14:36 | 0:14:41 | |
but the search for evidence to prove she's living here continues. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
Why would all this correspondence | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
going back to 2003 be in this address? | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
She was adamant that she just stays here, it's her boyfriend's place, | 0:14:56 | 0:15:01 | |
but it looks like it's her home. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
We've just got to wait for our colleagues to find out what they see | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
at the claim address, so... | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
In Romford, another team is arriving at Julie's council flat. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:17 | |
This is where she's suppose to be living and where she's getting | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
housing benefit, but investigators think she's been renting it out. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:26 | |
That's another criminal offence. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
KNOCKING | 0:15:28 | 0:15:29 | |
It's the police. Open the door. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
Hi, mate. You all right? | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
This is the man they think she's renting it to. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
He's a painter and decorator, and, coincidentally, | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
he's wanted by the police for a separate offence. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
You've had a good party here last night by the look of it. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
-Yeah, I know. -How long have you been living here for? | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
I don't... | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
On and off, a while. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
Whose flat is it? Do you know? | 0:15:57 | 0:15:58 | |
Julie Smith's. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
What's the arrangement with you being here and not her? | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
She, erm, she is here, but she stays with her boyfriend, | 0:16:04 | 0:16:09 | |
or round her mum's and that. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:10 | |
The investigators are looking for evidence | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
that Julie spends time here. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
Well, there's nothing of hers in here. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
This is all male stuff in here. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:18 | |
No indication that a female is living here. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
No clothes, no personal belongings, | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
nothing at all. No toothbrush, no deodorant. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
But they find something that rings alarm bells. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
Building stuff, is it? | 0:16:42 | 0:16:43 | |
-There. -You'll see here. -All these lights. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:51 | |
And a transformer. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
It's a nice link between the two addresses for us. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
As well as housing benefit fraud, | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
they suspect the council flat is also being used as a cannabis farm. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
We've found... | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
the light holders they use when they're growing cannabis. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
-Oh, right. -They may well have been going to do the same thing here. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:15 | |
I'll let the sergeant know, then. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
I'm serving a formal notice to quit. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
OK, so she's got a month to vacate the property, | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
and anybody else that's living here, which will include yourself. OK? | 0:17:28 | 0:17:33 | |
Anyway, job well done, though, mate, weren't it? | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
The man arrested at the flat is never charged, | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
but Julie is left with a lot of explaining to do. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
The council tried to sew it up to make you look bad and they done it. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
It did, though, it did look bad. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:53 | |
-Well, of course it did. -'Course it looked horrible because | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
when I went up there I thought, "Oh, my God, how embarrassing," you know? | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
I didn't go to Neil's and leave it like that. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
Julie says there's an explanation for everything the council saw. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:07 | |
The thing is the flat, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
to me, that was her little castle. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
-She loved it. -It was a lovely flat. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
It's always been my home, always been my home. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
This was my flat before I started | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
having the wardrobe ripped out in the bedroom | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
and everything was taken out of there and the state it was in, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:31 | |
what the fraud investigators saw, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
is because it was being decorated. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
Julie says the man found at the flat was decorating it for her. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
This is Paul decorating the bedroom for me in June. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
This was before the council even came to my flat. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
You know, I didn't have to pay him. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
He's my son's ex-girlfriend's uncle and he's just been | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
a long-term friend for ages. We didn't have pay him. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
I didn't have to pay him nothing. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:02 | |
He just, if he wanted to stay there.. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
-He was a dosser, really, wasn't he? -He had no fixed abode. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
He plastered every room, he put new skirtings, he knocked wardrobes out, | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
he just did everything. New covings. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
Yeah, he was there quite a while, | 0:19:16 | 0:19:17 | |
but then there was a lot of work to do. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
But Julie admits she wasn't living | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
at her flat when the council raided it. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
I moved out in May 2014... | 0:19:27 | 0:19:33 | |
..because my ex-partner had escaped from prison | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
and he knew where I lived and I knew he would come looking for me. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:44 | |
He's beaten me up, he's stabbed my dog, | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
he's had my son around the throat, stole off of us. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
He's just a bad one and, you know, I've had a lot of run-ins with him. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:55 | |
That's why nothing of mine was in the flat, because he's a burglar. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
He would've broke in, he would probably have known | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
I was still there and waited about for me. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
So I got everything out the flat | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
that I thought he would notice was mine. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
All my paperwork, most of my clothes, | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
and it worked out fine for me anyway because the men | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
were in doing the kitchen, so I was out of the way. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
It is a defence Julie hopes will persuade the council | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
that she hasn't done anything wrong. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
Well, I'm looking forward to what the explanation is, basically. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
I don't know what she's going to say. It's not being used properly, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
so you're not allowed to grow drugs in council properties. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
And we'd like to get the money back that she's had | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
in housing benefit for all the time that she's not lived there. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
With the evidence they have, | 0:20:42 | 0:20:43 | |
Havering is determined to prosecute Julie. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
Yeah, could all units just take up the original plot position? | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
RADIO CHATTER | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
In London, Mo and Helen have started | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
a major surveillance operation. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
Their target, a sophisticated fraudster Tania Amisi, | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
has amassed 13 fraudulent housing benefit claims | 0:21:14 | 0:21:18 | |
using false identities. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
They want to see what else she's been up to. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
Tania's doing pretty well for herself. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
She lives in Chelsea, one of the most expensive areas in the country. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
Yes, yes, back to you, visual. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
The team has cancelled most of her housing benefit claims | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
and this morning one of the few councils she's still | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
getting money from has called her in for a meeting. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
So we have a feeling that she may turn up in order to get paid. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:52 | |
Erm, and if she doesn't, | 0:21:52 | 0:21:53 | |
my feeling is that she's got other claims | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
that we haven't located as yet. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
-MAN ON RADIO: -Stand by, stand by, stand by. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
Female, possibly subject one. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
She came out of the address | 0:22:05 | 0:22:06 | |
with a young child. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
She's wearing a blue puffer jacket with a brown handbag. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
Heading towards Lots Road. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
Away, away from the stand. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
And through lights on green. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
Yeah, just to confirm that Lima Two is now in the vicinity. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
Yes, yes. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
Perfect view. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
She drops her child off at school, | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
but instead of going to the council for her meeting, | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
she goes back home and stays there. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
She must have something else up her sleeve. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
The local authority investigator benefit assessor has called her | 0:22:58 | 0:23:03 | |
and when she asked to speak to Tanya Westwood, | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
the person on the phone line has turned round and said, "Who?" | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
And then she said, "Oh, yes." | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
And then the phone has gone off, so the assessor's called, | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
made an attempt to call her again and it's gone to answering machine. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
So we'll just sit tight and wait to see what happens. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
Yes, yes. 01 has the visual. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
Over the next three days they're going to try to find out if she has | 0:23:26 | 0:23:31 | |
any accomplices and see what bank cards she uses | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
in an attempt to link her to the fraudulent claims. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:38 | |
Yeah, she's crossing the road towards...to go shopping. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:43 | |
The loss of her housing benefits | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
doesn't seem to have affected her much. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
-WOMAN ON RADIO: -She is on the upper level in Nando's. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
She's at a bus stand across the road from Harrods. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:01 | |
Please don't tell me she's going to Harrods. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
She's going to Harrods. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:08 | |
She's shopping in Harrods. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
SHE CHUCKLES | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
She's got a few bags, her son's got a bag. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
They've been, erm... having a great time. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
In, in, in to the cinema. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
The surveillance links Tanya | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
to the bank accounts being used for fraud. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
The investigation also throws up another bank account | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
they weren't aware of. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
This is a fraction of Tanya Westwood, | 0:24:47 | 0:24:52 | |
Tania Amisi's claims that we've got from some of | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
the local authorities in London. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
It's three months on and they've now built up a fuller picture of | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
how Tania operates. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
Whilst we were out on surveillance she had actually had a live claim in | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
the borough of Newham. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
It transpired that she took out a tenancy agreement | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
with a private housing association. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
She then further sublet flats to three other individuals, | 0:25:16 | 0:25:21 | |
took deposits from them and they were also paying her | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
just over £500 a month rent. Each of them. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
On top of that, she went back to Newham Council | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
and claimed housing benefit. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
By stealing the housing benefit and then subletting the flat, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
she was making up to £3,000 a month on a single property. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
It's a scam she repeats over and over and always ends the same way. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:47 | |
The tenants get thrown out. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
It's become obvious that this is her thing, | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
this is her MO, and this is what she does because it's easy money. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
She obviously don't care about people's lives. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
She wrecks people's lives, as long as her life is OK. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
She uses it to buy designer clothes | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
and she uses it to show off on the internet. You know what? | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
I'm looking forward to getting her arrested. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
It will be just nice to say that we've shut you down | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
and you can't do this any more, and you know, | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
we're not going to allow you to get away with it. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
With a mountain of evidence against her, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
the plan is to arrest Tania Amisi in the next few days. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
In Staffordshire, the investigation | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
into fisherman Steven "Buster" Fitzpatrick continues. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
It's a well-known fact | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
that he's been fiddling. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
Trips to local fishing ponds | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
have given her an insight into the man she's following. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
His nickname's Sick Note, | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
so I think they all know that he's claiming some sort of benefits. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:52 | |
I think it is common knowledge, to be honest. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
And Buster is such a skilled fisherman, | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
he's even made the local paper. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
Ooh, that was interesting. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
The fishing competition that was on Sunday, he actually won it, again, | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
our man. There we go. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
"Last weekend where first place went to Buster Fitzpatrick. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
"His next match is this Sunday." | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
The question is how long he's been committing fraud, | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
and the newspaper report has given her an idea. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
-Can you smell the history? -Yeah, it's lovely. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
So what years are you looking for? | 0:27:22 | 0:27:24 | |
Probably from 2005 onwards. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
Lisa's come to the local paper to see if she can find | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
more old fishing reports. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
Go on, then, that'll do. Ooh! | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
So... | 0:27:38 | 0:27:39 | |
-Found one. -Have you? -Yeah. First place went to Buster Fitzpatrick. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
Got a Buster Fitzpatrick winning. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
Yeah, and another one. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:50 | |
September. So you've got July, August and September now. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
Oh, all right. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
Every past report is further proof | 0:27:55 | 0:27:56 | |
of how long he's been committing fraud. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
It's a good job that he is quite good because | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
he wouldn't feature in the reports otherwise. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
I've got competition results from | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
a month after he actually put his claim into disability benefits. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
It just defies belief why they choose to do something like this. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:14 | |
And at the end of the day, we're basically funding his hobby. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
They now think Buster has been lying since day one | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
and they've got the hard evidence to prove it. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
It's time to bring him in for questioning. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
He may hold his hands up. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:30 | |
-Not too high, though. -No, of course. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
-His manual dexterity's quite poor, isn't it? -His shoulders as well. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
Donna tends to be the good cop and I tend to be the bad cop. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
I just get frustrated when people just aren't being honest with us | 0:28:38 | 0:28:42 | |
when we've got, you know, | 0:28:42 | 0:28:44 | |
especially with the surveillance footage, which is so damning. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
Buster's arrived at the Job Centre for an interview under caution. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:53 | |
He's replaced his fishing rod with a crutch. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
All right, lovely. We'll be down shortly. Cheers, bye. Bye. | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
Ah. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
-Guess where he's parked? -Disabled space? | 0:29:04 | 0:29:06 | |
The nearest one. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
Judging by his appearance, | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
Buster doesn't look like a man ready to come clean. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
It'll just be interesting to see what he's got to say, | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
and if he has got excuses, what excuses he's going to throw at me. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:21 | |
-RECORDING: -The time is 12.28. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
Would you state your full name. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:27 | |
You've described the way that you walk as extremely poor. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
You've explained to me that you do need physical support. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
Is that every time that you're outdoors? | 0:29:34 | 0:29:36 | |
-Yes. -It is? -Yes, it is, yes. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
OK. So you can never go out alone, at all, anywhere? | 0:29:38 | 0:29:42 | |
Right, OK. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:57 | |
So... Right, OK. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:01 | |
Yeah, OK. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:03 | |
Do you wish to change anything that you've told me so far? | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
Because I'm going to show you some surveillance footage now | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
that we've taken of you. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:12 | |
If you saw this person in the street, Steven, | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
would you describe them as unable or virtually unable to walk | 0:30:15 | 0:30:19 | |
and required constant care, 24/7? | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
Because that's the reason why your benefit's been awarded. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:26 | |
Well done! Well done, girl. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:49 | |
He said, "You've caught me hook, line and sinker." | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
-Yeah. -So I thought that was quite appropriate. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:54 | |
I said, you been honest with me? He went, "Yeah, yeah!" | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
I thought, "Right..." That's when he got my goat. | 0:30:57 | 0:30:59 | |
-It gets my back up easy. -I know. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
-You get a little bit faster. -Do I? -Yeah. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
And it's like, "Oh, you've riled her now, mate!" | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
I've never seen anybody that disabled - when he walked in. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
I've just said that. It was like, unbelievable, wasn't it? | 0:31:11 | 0:31:15 | |
He wore a hearing aid, wrist splints on both, he had an elbow crutch. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:21 | |
Quite pitiful. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
But that changed as the interview went on, | 0:31:26 | 0:31:28 | |
so it was quite interesting. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
At court, Buster pleads guilty to more than £30,000 worth of fraud. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:38 | |
He's given an eight-month suspended sentence. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:43 | |
Hello there. I'm phoning to request a suspension | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
of somebody's DLA, please. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
Lisa puts an end to his claim. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:50 | |
But her next case... | 0:31:51 | 0:31:53 | |
-Shall we sit outside, with it being nice? -..could be more difficult. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:55 | |
There's usually some chairs around the side, isn't there? | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
-It's me who was keeping him back, gassing. -Oh, it's all right. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
In London, there's been a dawn raid. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
Tania Amisi, the woman with multiple identities | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
has been arrested in her Chelsea flat. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
'This interview is being recorded. Can you please state your name?' | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
She looked a little startled, but I think even though she was startled, | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
she remained confident, | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
because I don't think she was 100% sure what it was all about. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
So far, Helen and Mo have found Tania's made 37 claims | 0:32:35 | 0:32:40 | |
from 22 councils and used four different identities to get them. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:45 | |
'You've given me your details today as Tania Amisi, | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
'and you aren't known by any other names?' | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
'Any other names apart from those two that you've been using?' | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
'Now, you're known by a number of aliases | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
'including Tania Amidi, Mbeko Amisi, | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
'Tanya Amisi, Tania Amisia and Tanasi Amosi. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
'Why would the Home Office have those details for you | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
'as aliases when you told me that the only two names you use | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
'are Tania Amisi and Tanya Westwood?' | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
Initially, at the beginning of the interview, | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
she was very relaxed and very cocky. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
'How do you support yourself to live? | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
'You don't know how much you pay in rent?' | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
'But I'm asking you a question.' | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
'We put you under surveillance last October and we followed you.' | 0:33:35 | 0:33:40 | |
'So why are you claiming money for an address where you don't live?' | 0:33:40 | 0:33:44 | |
So, when we brought up the fact that we actually did surveillance | 0:33:47 | 0:33:51 | |
on her, we followed her, she didn't say anything, | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
but there was a look of shock and horror in her face that we actually | 0:33:54 | 0:33:58 | |
followed her on numerous days to see what she was up to. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:01 | |
She realised she was in trouble. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:04 | |
With Tania under arrest, her flat is searched. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:10 | |
It provides an eye-opening insight into her lifestyle. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:19 | |
When we were searching her bedroom, | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
she had nearly every designer bag you can possibly think of. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:29 | |
She had a Chanel, Louis Vuitton, Hermes, | 0:34:29 | 0:34:33 | |
-YSL... -Givenchy. -Givenchy, Dolce & Gabbana - | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
every bag you could think of, high-end bag, she had them. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
And they were just thrown in the bottom of the wardrobe. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
These bags are estimated to cost more than £20,000. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:48 | |
Barclays, Visa debit card, Santander... | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
They've also found seven credit cards | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
linked to three different identities | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
as well as two Congolese passports. | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
This passport is full of visas... | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
For the Ivory Coast... | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
-Brussels. -Brussels. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
This is a visa for America. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
Egypt. Morocco. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:14 | |
-A frequent flyer. -A very frequent flyer. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
Well, what else has she to do? She's not working. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:21 | |
She was getting money from various different sources. It was all free. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
So what best way to spend it other than holidaying and shopping? | 0:35:26 | 0:35:31 | |
While she was on holidays, she went to the Prada outlet. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:37 | |
You can see that she spent over 2,000 euros. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
I've never encountered anybody that we've ever arrested or investigated | 0:35:43 | 0:35:48 | |
to have amassed so much money and goods... | 0:35:48 | 0:35:52 | |
..that's been funded by the taxpayer. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
But they don't have Tania in custody for long. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
She's got a small child and her lawyer manages to | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
get her out on bail with a tag and a list of strict conditions. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
Two weeks later, and it's time to face justice. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:27 | |
Tania's been summoned to Crown Court. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:33 | |
It was listed for hearing at ten o'clock but she didn't attend, | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
as I understand it, because she has been to the hospital. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:40 | |
I have concerns when someone who's charged with being in possession of | 0:36:40 | 0:36:44 | |
a false passport not turning up at court, | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
but I want to know it's a genuine appointment with a doctor | 0:36:47 | 0:36:49 | |
or a hospital, because, for all I know, | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
they may be on a flight to a foreign country. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:55 | |
They fear she's done a runner is well-placed. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
Tania has cut off her tag and vanished. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:02 | |
She's skipped bail. So we're not sure whether or not | 0:37:03 | 0:37:05 | |
she's in the country or she's out of the country. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
However, my colleague has requested some bank statements, | 0:37:08 | 0:37:10 | |
her bank statements, so that we can see | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
if she's accessed her accounts. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
Mo and Helen hope to find Tania | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
by tracking where she's spending money. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
On the 11th of February, she purchased some Eurostar tickets. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:25 | |
Oh, my gosh. Yeah. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:26 | |
And it looks like she left the country on the evening on the 11th. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:31 | |
On the 12th, she was booking herself... | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
-In a hotel. -..into the hotel in Paris. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
So when she was due in court on the 13th, | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
-she'd already left the country. -She was in Paris. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:41 | |
She was already in Paris. You can see then her other transactions | 0:37:41 | 0:37:45 | |
are in Paris as well. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
And she's moving onwards and then as of the 17th of March 2015... | 0:37:48 | 0:37:54 | |
Brussels. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:56 | |
..she's booking herself into the Sheraton in Brussels. | 0:37:56 | 0:38:00 | |
£294.96. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
-INTERVIEWER: -You're never going to see her again, are you? | 0:38:03 | 0:38:06 | |
SHE EXHALES | 0:38:06 | 0:38:08 | |
There's an arrest warrant out for her. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
It's not quite over yet. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
Tania Amisi has fled to Belgium. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
Julie Smith isn't going anywhere. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:26 | |
She's standing her ground to fight the claims made against her. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:30 | |
I've got my case statement. I'm not guilty of anything. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
What they're saying I'm guilty of, I'm not. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
But if she wants to stay out of court, | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
she needs to persuade her investigators. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:42 | |
This is what's on the sofa and it's all cans - empty cans of beer. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:48 | |
There's nothing to indicate anyone was ever there. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
Ruth is reviewing the evidence taken from Julie Smith's council flat. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:56 | |
She's called her in for an interview under caution to give her a chance | 0:38:56 | 0:39:00 | |
-to explain herself. -Want to go, John? | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
Bring your new pad! | 0:39:03 | 0:39:05 | |
"Spot the cheat" - the new pad. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:07 | |
I'm looking forward to what the inventiveness is, aren't you? | 0:39:09 | 0:39:11 | |
I think she's just trying to front it | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
and say that she was staying there all the time | 0:39:14 | 0:39:16 | |
and we've got it all wrong. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:17 | |
-Yeah, we always get it wrong, us council workers(!) -Who knows? | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
On advice from her lawyer and the council, | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
Julie has asked us only to film the investigators, | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
so she can concentrate fully on the interview. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
-JULIE: -In May, I found out my ex escaped from prison. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:35 | |
He's an armed robber, he's violent. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
-I knew he'd come looking for me. -But you removed all your clothing... | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
No, no, not everything. But lots of stuff, lots of stuff. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:44 | |
Tell me the stuff that you took. You're in a rush now... | 0:39:44 | 0:39:48 | |
Loads of clothes. Yes, loads of clothes. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:50 | |
I didn't take no toiletries or anything like that. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:52 | |
Questions turn to the cannabis-growing equipment | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
found in Julie's flat. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:56 | |
These have been used for cultivating cannabis plants. | 0:39:56 | 0:40:00 | |
That must have been in the hall cupboard. They weren't under my bed, or anything. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
Why are you saying to us they must have been in the hall cupboard, why are you saying that? | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
Because it was jam-packed with all rubbish. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:08 | |
If that is why the other room was stripped out and empty, | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
because you were going to set up another cannabis factory...? | 0:40:11 | 0:40:13 | |
JULIE LAUGHS | 0:40:13 | 0:40:15 | |
-..in that address? -Oh, my God! What do you mean, "Another one?" | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
I've never... I wouldn't even know how to do it! | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
There was a load found at Colchester Road, wasn't there? | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
-Yes, but it had nothing to do with me. -I wasn't there, but I've been told. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
He didn't get done for anything like that, | 0:40:25 | 0:40:27 | |
-he just got done for possession. -OK. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:28 | |
The investigators also found documents that suggest Julie | 0:40:28 | 0:40:32 | |
has moved into the house of her boyfriend, Neil. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
-Have you got a Debenhams account? -Yes, I have. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
And where do the bills go for that? | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
Erm, probably... | 0:40:41 | 0:40:43 | |
-..to Neil's. -Do you have a Santander bank account? -Yes. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:48 | |
Well, you've told them that your address is Neil's address. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
Probably to be able to get a loan because I couldn't... | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
-Well, not credit... -Oh, right. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
Are you telling us, if I've got this right, | 0:40:57 | 0:40:59 | |
are you telling us that you would tell a bank false information | 0:40:59 | 0:41:03 | |
to get a loan, is that what you are saying? | 0:41:03 | 0:41:05 | |
I just want to be clear on this. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:07 | |
You're pulling a face, but what does that mean? | 0:41:07 | 0:41:09 | |
-Probably at the time, yeah. -So it's yes? -Yeah. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:11 | |
It's not my prime home though, my home is Dryden Towers. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:15 | |
-It's not your address, Julie. -Isn't it?! -No. -OK! | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
-It's the address you're getting benefit from. -OK! Whatever. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
-You prove that. -All right, then. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
I agreed to the interview. I said, "Yes, I'll come and have an interview" | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
And I agreed to that. I didn't have to go. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:28 | |
And I wish I hadn't now. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
Yeah, we've got some more enquires to make. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
She's adamant that she lives there. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:34 | |
-I think it's a story that fits the facts... -Yeah. -..for her. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
If I can put it like that. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:39 | |
Over the coming weeks, they'll investigate | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
everything Julie told them, before deciding whether to prosecute her. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:47 | |
In Staffordshire, another woman is fighting to save her reputation. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:58 | |
Patricia Ward is one of the 3.5 million people in Britain | 0:41:59 | 0:42:04 | |
claiming disability benefits. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:06 | |
I just love driving. I suppose I inherited that from my father, | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
because my father was a lorry driver. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
Whenever I was off on school holidays, I was out with me dad. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
And I just love vehicles. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
She got a job as a school minibus driver, | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
picking up and dropping off schoolchildren twice a day. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
I enjoyed the pupils. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:29 | |
Once you're out on the road, you're more or less your own boss. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:33 | |
'I come from an old work ethic. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
'You don't give up work until they screw you in that box.' | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
The problem is, she's given the government a very different story. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:44 | |
She's told them she can't see in one eye and can't grip properly - | 0:42:44 | 0:42:49 | |
needs so serious she's qualified for nearly £100 a month in benefits | 0:42:49 | 0:42:54 | |
and a free mobility car, awarded for life. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:57 | |
I'd be concerned if one of my children | 0:42:59 | 0:43:01 | |
were actually on that minibus, shall we say. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:05 | |
Following a tip-off that Patricia is driving for a living, | 0:43:05 | 0:43:09 | |
Lisa Prince has been investigating her disability claim. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
There we go, there it is. She said that she's got arthritis. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:16 | |
She can't grip anything... Now, that rings alarm bells for me. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:21 | |
Patricia's benefits were awarded based on claim forms she filled out. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:26 | |
On these forms, backed by a letter from her doctor, | 0:43:26 | 0:43:29 | |
she says she can't do even the most basic tasks. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:33 | |
The fact that she's driving a minibus and she can't grip anything, | 0:43:33 | 0:43:37 | |
you know, in terms of the steering wheel... | 0:43:37 | 0:43:39 | |
It goes into detail about her vision as well, | 0:43:39 | 0:43:42 | |
and that she has difficulty seeing oncoming vehicles. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:46 | |
I haven't lied about my disabilities, | 0:43:48 | 0:43:50 | |
I haven't lied about the fact that I am in a lot of pain... | 0:43:50 | 0:43:55 | |
..but maybe people aren't looking at that, | 0:43:56 | 0:43:58 | |
because they're just seeing the other side of the picture, that I worked. | 0:43:58 | 0:44:01 | |
You can work and claim DLA, and Patricia felt her health conditions | 0:44:01 | 0:44:06 | |
warranted help from the state. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:08 | |
'I've got fibromyalgia, osteoarthritis of the knee...' | 0:44:08 | 0:44:13 | |
This is the sexy wear! | 0:44:13 | 0:44:15 | |
'Then it left me with drop foot and a leg that drags,' | 0:44:15 | 0:44:19 | |
so I'd trip and fall for no reason. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:22 | |
'You know, I can't do it on my own. It's debilitating.' | 0:44:22 | 0:44:26 | |
And the things I've lost doing, I enjoy doing. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
And it's things like missing out on going to the seaside | 0:44:29 | 0:44:32 | |
with your grandchildren, because, you know, | 0:44:32 | 0:44:36 | |
I can't get on the sand... Beach with my chair. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:40 | |
Patricia maintains that her life is severely restricted by her health, | 0:44:40 | 0:44:45 | |
but Lisa's visited Patricia's workplace | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
and found a different side to the story. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:50 | |
She hadn't disclosed any disabilities. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:52 | |
As far as they were concerned, | 0:44:52 | 0:44:54 | |
she was one of the more reliable drivers at the school. | 0:44:54 | 0:44:57 | |
They never observed her using any walking aids, | 0:44:57 | 0:44:59 | |
something which stated she constantly used on a regular basis. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:04 | |
They observed her getting into and out of a minibus | 0:45:04 | 0:45:06 | |
without any difficulty. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:08 | |
I got a letter through the door | 0:45:08 | 0:45:09 | |
to say I've got to go to a fraud investigation interview. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:14 | |
I thought at the time, "Oh, you know, don't worry, go. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:17 | |
"You'll sort it out, you'll explain everything, you'll be fine." | 0:45:17 | 0:45:21 | |
'Tell me, how do you change the gears on a minibus?' | 0:45:25 | 0:45:28 | |
'So you push it?' | 0:45:32 | 0:45:34 | |
'It's just that you said you haven't got any grip.' | 0:45:35 | 0:45:38 | |
'What about when you're having to turn the steering wheel?' | 0:45:38 | 0:45:42 | |
'Right, OK. Because you also said that you've got loss of sensation | 0:45:46 | 0:45:49 | |
'in your right side as well.' | 0:45:49 | 0:45:51 | |
'Yeah. But you still can manage to...' | 0:45:53 | 0:45:55 | |
To me, it was harrowing. | 0:46:01 | 0:46:03 | |
I would say it's the worst day of my life. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
All I envisaged was prison and the door being slammed. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:09 | |
That thought terrified me. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:13 | |
Following the interview, Patricia quit her job | 0:46:13 | 0:46:17 | |
and pleaded guilty to £35,000 worth of fraud. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:21 | |
Next week, she'll be sentenced | 0:46:21 | 0:46:24 | |
and faces the very real possibility of going to prison. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:28 | |
In London, Tania Amisi should be having her day in court. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:35 | |
Instead, she's skipped bail and fled to Belgium. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:39 | |
It's been decided to put her on trial in her absence. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:43 | |
The prosecution is going to present its case to the jurors | 0:46:43 | 0:46:48 | |
and the defence will do his best to defend her. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
Mo and Helen think they've found Tania's address in Belgium | 0:46:51 | 0:46:55 | |
and the trial is part of a plan to bring her to justice. | 0:46:55 | 0:46:59 | |
If she's found guilty in her absence, | 0:46:59 | 0:47:01 | |
then we can get a European warrant and then bring her back. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:04 | |
You know, she wants to stick two fingers up at everybody | 0:47:04 | 0:47:06 | |
by leaving the country before her trial, so I think, yeah, | 0:47:06 | 0:47:10 | |
there are the occasional cases where you do feel a bit more determined | 0:47:10 | 0:47:15 | |
that they face justice. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:17 | |
She's shown no remorse, and she lacks any contrition. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
Nothing. There is just nothing there. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:22 | |
She just didn't care. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:23 | |
The trial, which would have normally taken three weeks, lasts four days. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:32 | |
Oh, God! | 0:47:35 | 0:47:37 | |
All done. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:39 | |
We've had the verdict - it was unanimous. | 0:47:39 | 0:47:43 | |
She was guilty on all counts. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:44 | |
She's been convicted of 17 counts of housing benefit fraud, | 0:47:44 | 0:47:49 | |
nearly £250,000 stolen from the public purse - | 0:47:49 | 0:47:54 | |
enough to put her away for five years. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:57 | |
I've applied for what's called a European arrest warrant | 0:47:57 | 0:48:00 | |
and that means that the warrant will be sent to the Belgian authorities | 0:48:00 | 0:48:04 | |
and, hopefully, she will be arrested in the near future. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:07 | |
Just a bit of a waiting game, but hopefully | 0:48:07 | 0:48:08 | |
we won't have to wait too long once we get the warrant circulated. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:13 | |
Best girl in the world. | 0:48:18 | 0:48:21 | |
One of them, anyway. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:23 | |
Julie Smith and her dad are on their way to court. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:26 | |
The council has decided to prosecute her for fraud. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:30 | |
I've done nothing wrong. | 0:48:31 | 0:48:33 | |
I've proven that I've done nothing wrong | 0:48:33 | 0:48:35 | |
and I'm hoping that, you know, I'm going to get not guilty. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:38 | |
I may be guilty of not being there from... | 0:48:38 | 0:48:40 | |
From May till October, but I've more than a good reason for that... | 0:48:40 | 0:48:45 | |
You know, for me not being there. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:47 | |
Put it this way, if you was in the house | 0:48:47 | 0:48:50 | |
where somebody had come on previous occasions and stabbed your dog | 0:48:50 | 0:48:54 | |
-in front of your baby... -And beat me up. -And beat... | 0:48:54 | 0:48:57 | |
-I was chased up the road by a fellow with a big knife. -Yeah. | 0:48:57 | 0:49:00 | |
And I don't want to be in the same house where that man who knows | 0:49:00 | 0:49:03 | |
where I live and he's going to come and look for me. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:06 | |
That's why I wasn't at my flat. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:07 | |
It was only for six months and I've told them that | 0:49:07 | 0:49:10 | |
I wasn't there for six months, and that's the only reason. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:13 | |
The suggestion she was planning to grow cannabis | 0:49:15 | 0:49:17 | |
in the flat has been dropped. | 0:49:17 | 0:49:19 | |
She's being charged with failing to notify the council | 0:49:19 | 0:49:22 | |
that she had moved. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:24 | |
Barrister Neil Ross is prosecuting for the council. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:30 | |
The overpayment alleged is just short of £20,000. | 0:49:32 | 0:49:37 | |
What that means is that when one looks at the sentencing guidelines, | 0:49:37 | 0:49:41 | |
the starting point will be in and around 36 weeks' prison, | 0:49:41 | 0:49:45 | |
so one is potentially is facing a custodial sentence... Serious. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:49 | |
This is her defence. | 0:49:49 | 0:49:50 | |
She was running away from this ex-boyfriend who was violent. | 0:49:50 | 0:49:53 | |
I had a look online, he had escaped. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:55 | |
Yeah, it's the truth. I've got a statement from the police officer. | 0:49:55 | 0:49:58 | |
Paul Oddysses, Julie's boyfriend, | 0:49:58 | 0:50:00 | |
was on the run for three months | 0:50:00 | 0:50:02 | |
before he was recaptured by the police. | 0:50:02 | 0:50:05 | |
And you've already been alerted by the police that he's escaped. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:09 | |
He certainly made contact with you. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
It certainly explains why you would pack up everything and go and stay, | 0:50:12 | 0:50:16 | |
-you know, either with your current partner, with a family friend... -JULIE: -Anybody. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:20 | |
..or anyone and avoid going to the property. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:23 | |
There is no dispute about that as a background. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:26 | |
What's relevant is, as far as this case is concerned, is whether that, | 0:50:26 | 0:50:30 | |
in fact, is what drove her decision | 0:50:30 | 0:50:31 | |
about where she was living or not, | 0:50:31 | 0:50:34 | |
or if that was used as... | 0:50:34 | 0:50:38 | |
As an explanation after the fact to help bolster her defence. | 0:50:38 | 0:50:43 | |
The council says Julie told the bank and insurance companies that she had | 0:50:45 | 0:50:49 | |
moved out of the council flat well before her boyfriend escaped. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:53 | |
-TANNOY: -All parties in the case of Smith to court five, please. | 0:50:56 | 0:50:59 | |
-All parties... -We'd better go in. -Come on, honey. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:03 | |
-Thank you. -All right? | 0:51:03 | 0:51:04 | |
The case lasts for two days. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:12 | |
The jury is out for a few hours. | 0:51:12 | 0:51:15 | |
-INTERVIEWER: -What's happened? -Liars have won. -Unbelievable. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:18 | |
They think she's a sponger. | 0:51:18 | 0:51:20 | |
She's never been a sponger in her life. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:22 | |
I'm shocked. I am totally shocked by what they've said. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:25 | |
You can be proven guilty for being innocent. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:27 | |
Yeah, well, you have. That's what they've done. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:29 | |
They've done you for nothing. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:31 | |
I had every bit of evidence I needed to prove elsewhere | 0:51:31 | 0:51:34 | |
and they still come up with the guilty. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
Julie gets a six-month suspended sentence, | 0:51:37 | 0:51:40 | |
180 hours of community service, and is evicted from her flat. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:45 | |
Well, obviously, I'm gutted about my flat, | 0:51:45 | 0:51:47 | |
because I've had it years and years and that was... | 0:51:47 | 0:51:49 | |
You know, I loved my flat. | 0:51:49 | 0:51:51 | |
But they obviously saw it that I didn't and they've got it wrong. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:55 | |
All I can do now is try and better myself. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:58 | |
It's a new start now. You know where you're going, and that's it. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:02 | |
Julie is out and the council have their property back. | 0:52:04 | 0:52:08 | |
-Right, are you ready? -Yeah. -It's the fear of the unknown again. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:19 | |
Not knowing what's going to happen when I get to court. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:23 | |
Over in Staffordshire, it's judgment day for Patricia Ward. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:27 | |
She pleaded guilty to £35,000 worth of benefit fraud | 0:52:27 | 0:52:32 | |
and faces possible jail time. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:34 | |
Get my purse out, get my money out. I'll pay for diesel. | 0:52:36 | 0:52:40 | |
Just guide me out. I can't see. | 0:52:42 | 0:52:45 | |
I'm hoping they come out with probation, for the family, you know, | 0:52:48 | 0:52:53 | |
because of the family situation at home. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:56 | |
But I've just got to wait and see. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:02 | |
'She knows that what she's done was completely wrong | 0:53:02 | 0:53:06 | |
'and she's gone guilty at the earliest opportunity as well.' | 0:53:06 | 0:53:10 | |
So have I got any sympathy for her? No, I haven't. | 0:53:10 | 0:53:13 | |
You get quite hardened, I think, to this job. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:15 | |
Some of them tend to play the act out until the bitter end. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:19 | |
So I wouldn't be surprised today if she does bring her elbow crutch | 0:53:19 | 0:53:23 | |
or walking stick into court | 0:53:23 | 0:53:25 | |
just to try and get some sympathy from the judge. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:30 | |
Am I going too fast for you in this? | 0:53:30 | 0:53:34 | |
I tend to leave people behind. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:36 | |
Are you all right? Yeah, nine months...suspended. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:51 | |
Suspended! | 0:53:51 | 0:53:53 | |
Damn! Suspended for 12. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:57 | |
She nearly went, she nearly went. | 0:53:57 | 0:54:00 | |
-INTERVIEWER: -How do you feel? | 0:54:00 | 0:54:03 | |
Still a little bit angry at the fact | 0:54:03 | 0:54:05 | |
that no medical evidence was ever taken into consideration. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:10 | |
You know, it was just seen that I'd lied all the way along, | 0:54:10 | 0:54:12 | |
when I hadn't. | 0:54:12 | 0:54:15 | |
Or, you know, the fact that I had to dope myself up | 0:54:15 | 0:54:18 | |
with that many painkillers to operate. | 0:54:18 | 0:54:22 | |
Patricia hasn't given up on her benefits. | 0:54:22 | 0:54:25 | |
Whilst she's guilty of fraud for this claim, | 0:54:25 | 0:54:28 | |
she's now applied for another form of support. | 0:54:28 | 0:54:31 | |
She's been awarded personal independent payments, | 0:54:31 | 0:54:34 | |
which has replaced DLA benefits, and she's been awarded it | 0:54:34 | 0:54:38 | |
since August 2014, which was the month I actually interviewed her | 0:54:38 | 0:54:42 | |
under caution for DLA offences. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:46 | |
As Lisa cancelled one, Patricia applied for and was given | 0:54:46 | 0:54:50 | |
another disability benefit, but this time on a lower rate. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:55 | |
'She's been given a three-year reward.' | 0:54:55 | 0:54:57 | |
Nearly £76 a week. | 0:54:57 | 0:54:59 | |
I guess the only saving grace with this case now | 0:54:59 | 0:55:01 | |
is that she will be reviewed, | 0:55:01 | 0:55:04 | |
whereas before her DLA was an indefinite award. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:08 | |
All people claiming the new disability benefit | 0:55:08 | 0:55:11 | |
will now have regular checks. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:13 | |
Bringing Tania Amisi back to Britain for sentencing hasn't gone smoothly. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:22 | |
Despite all the hard work, | 0:55:24 | 0:55:26 | |
it takes weeks for the warrant to be processed. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:30 | |
In that time, Tania moves on. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:32 | |
We've done some research, used some investigators to have a dig | 0:55:37 | 0:55:40 | |
-to see what we could find on the internet, effectively. -OK. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:43 | |
I want to show you some of the stuff that we've found. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:46 | |
So, Tania... | 0:55:46 | 0:55:49 | |
# Hello, can you hear me? | 0:55:49 | 0:55:54 | |
# I'm in California... # | 0:55:54 | 0:55:56 | |
Oh, it makes me feel sick. Honestly, it makes me feel sick. | 0:55:56 | 0:56:01 | |
# When we were younger... # | 0:56:01 | 0:56:03 | |
We think that shows her two places - | 0:56:03 | 0:56:05 | |
in Istanbul, Turkey, and back in the Congo. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:10 | |
And putting stuff like this on her Facebook page... | 0:56:11 | 0:56:15 | |
She's very bold. I just... | 0:56:15 | 0:56:17 | |
I just can't believe it. She's teasing us. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:21 | |
She's saying, "Well, look, here I am, and I'm still doing what I do." | 0:56:21 | 0:56:25 | |
We've done all that we can do and the rest is up to the police | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
and the rest of the justice system, over which we have no control. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:31 | |
Tania Amisi only came to the attention of the authorities | 0:56:31 | 0:56:34 | |
-because she was arrested for something else. -That's right. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:37 | |
-You would never have known about her. -No. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:39 | |
So how many other Tania Amisis are out there | 0:56:39 | 0:56:42 | |
doing the sort of fraud that she's up to? | 0:56:42 | 0:56:43 | |
There could be hundreds. | 0:56:43 | 0:56:46 | |
But Tania was convicted and she's on the run. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:50 | |
One slip-up and she'll go to jail. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:53 |