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DNA samples and nail scrapings were also taken. | 0:00:00 | 0:00:00 | |
This was a chilling murder in a quiet part of Scotland. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
Probably never seen that type of crime before. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
NEWS REPORTER: It was at this point on Arbroath Seagate Beach | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
that the grim discovery was made this morning. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
When we got there, we knew it was no joke. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:16 | |
These men thought they had committed the perfect murder. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
It was a real surprise when we found out | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
there was this woman living in a shed. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
We found a dead body underneath the floorboards of the living room. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
We were never able to establish the cause of death. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
I believe in Scotland we've been able to deliver a unique service. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:41 | |
To identify suspects is one thing, | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
and then to prove people are guilty of a crime | 0:00:45 | 0:00:46 | |
is something completely different. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
Although you see a lot of dead people, | 0:00:52 | 0:00:53 | |
you treat everyone as an individual and with respect and with humanity. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:58 | |
Forensic scientists - they are silent witnesses | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
and they are the eyes and ears of law enforcement. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
This time, the forensic team reveal the perfect murders. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
So carefully planned, the killers thought they'd escape justice. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:37 | |
On the 1st of April 2008, | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
Graham McMillan had just been promoted to Chief Inspector | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
and Head of CID for Angus, | 0:01:50 | 0:01:52 | |
one of the most widespread rural regions in the United Kingdom. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:57 | |
Once I had completed unpacking, | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
I had a look on our Command Control system, | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
which logs all the incidents | 0:02:09 | 0:02:10 | |
that the police within Tayside are dealing with at that time. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
There was one jumped out at me, | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
which was "head found on beach in Arbroath." | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
Two young children while walking along the beach | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
had come across a black plastic bin liner. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
In that bin liner, the children had seen the dismembered head | 0:02:27 | 0:02:32 | |
of a human being. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
I'm sure it was a very gruesome discovery for those young kids. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
The children were understandably shocked by such a gruesome find. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
Officers trained in counselling were quickly brought in to help them cope | 0:02:43 | 0:02:48 | |
and take their statements without further trauma. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
They were aged about eight and 11 at the time. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
Quite a horrific find for them. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
Dr Victoria Morton is head of Scene Examination, | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
responsible for overseeing every murder site in Scotland. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:06 | |
Outdoor murders are extra challenging. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
It was such a windy day that it was very difficult | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
to actually put up any type of tenting. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
There was actually a police officer standing with tarpaulin | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
to try and shield the scene examination staff, the biologists | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
and the police activity | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
so that the press didn't get any gruesome pictures. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
We were very, very keen to engage early on | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
with the Senior Investigating Officer to make sure | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
that we would be securing the evidence | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
before either the wind, the rain or the tide had an impact on it. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:40 | |
There'd been quite a storm the night before | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
and there was a lot of items washed up on the shore. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
A few hundred yards down from where the head was lying | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
we found a pair of hands. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
Body parts were found over there beside those white buildings. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
Where did they come from? | 0:03:56 | 0:03:57 | |
Well, local fishermen have been mulling that over. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
They say pretty much anywhere. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
Perhaps from the south, from Dundee or Edinburgh, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
perhaps down from the north, and Aberdeen. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
One thing they are sure about, | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
this is the first time in living memory | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
a body has been found in Arbroath beach. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
The dismembered hands which were found in a separate bag | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
to the head on the beach had been cut in a specific way. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
The person or persons involved | 0:04:21 | 0:04:23 | |
maybe had some connection with the butchery or meat industry. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
Essential that we identified who this person was, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
because at this time all we had was some body parts. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
We didn't know what the circumstances were, | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
who this person was. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
This kind of murder was a rarity. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
And the head had deteriorated by being in the sea for a long time. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
So Graham decided he needed highly specialist advice. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
The Centre for Anatomy and Human Identification at Dundee University | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
could help by creating a postmortem depiction of the head. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:58 | |
Now, a postmortem depiction is a type of forensic art | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
that gives a professional judgment | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
on what this person would have looked like in life. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
While waiting for the facial reconstruction of the victim, | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
the mark enhancement technicians at the Dundee labs | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
examine the bags for any evidence. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
Crucially, they recovered a few hairs. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
DNA samples and nail scrapings were also taken. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
but they struggled to develop any fingerprints | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
that might have been left on the bags. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
Day two focused on the postmortem, | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
where the three individual body parts, the head and the two hands, | 0:05:32 | 0:05:37 | |
were treated almost as if they were from different individuals. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
You couldn't assume at that point that they were from one person. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
As we were looking closely at the teeth, | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
they recognised that some of the dental work | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
probably wasn't up to the standard that they would have expected | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
in the UK. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
When the reconstructed head came back from Dundee University, | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
it was photographed to go to the media. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
She's believed to have been white. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
Aged in her mid-20s to mid-30s. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
She has brown eyes, brown eyebrows and shoulder-length brown hair. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:13 | |
She had a pale complexion | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
with light freckling across the nose and cheekbones. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
There is a distinctive scar, circular shaped scar, | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
in the middle of her forehead just below her hairline. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
Now that we have a description of the woman, | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
what's the procedure in trying to identify her? | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
This is an area where you do have a high degree, high number | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
of migrant workers, usually from Eastern Europe. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
So, it could well be that in the coming days and weeks, | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
this investigation spreads far beyond these shores. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
But Graham got a swift and unexpected break. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
The victim was immediately recognised | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
by one of his own officers. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
The girl in the picture was a young female migrant worker, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
Jolante Bledaite. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:56 | |
We sent officers up to her home, which was a flat in Brechin, | 0:06:56 | 0:07:01 | |
to just check the place out. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
When they entered the flat, | 0:07:03 | 0:07:04 | |
they could see that her room was absolutely emptied. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
There was nothing. Not an item in it. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
They also spotted a bloodstain on a door frame. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
On seeing that, they immediately withdrew | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
and we called up for forensic assistance. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
Really fortunate that they had actually found | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
this small area of bloodstaining. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
We took a sample from that area | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
and that later did turn out to be a sample which yielded some DNA. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:33 | |
The blood on the door frame matched. It was Jolante Bledaite. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
The police investigation quickly gathered speed. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
Graham McMillan began interviewing potential witnesses, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
like work colleagues and residents of the block. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
Graham's professional intuition focused on two men. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:54 | |
One of them was her flatmate | 0:07:54 | 0:07:55 | |
and the other one was a friend, but had worked in the past with her. | 0:07:55 | 0:08:00 | |
Something just didn't square up with these guys. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
Both suspects, like Jolante, were migrant workers. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
Vitas Plytnykas was 41 years old, | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
and Aleksandras Skirda was 20. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
A thorough examination of the flat in Brechin | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
where Jolante Bledaite had lived was conducted. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
This was a very thorough search. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:25 | |
In the bathroom, dilute bloodstains were found. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
Blood mixed with water. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
We also examined carpet. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
Although the room didn't show too much blood on the outer surface, | 0:08:34 | 0:08:39 | |
as we lifted the carpet up there was a significant amount of blood | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
on the underside of the carpet. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
Was this the site where the body was maybe cut up? | 0:08:45 | 0:08:49 | |
Was this the site where someone had been killed and then moved on? | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
And we then began to look in the flat in a more detailed way, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
trying to understand what horrific event | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
had actually happened in this flat. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
There was blood found within the bath and some blood spatters, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:09 | |
and the pattern of those were very useful | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
in finding out whether she was alive or dead when she was decapitated. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
The inside of the flat was revealing its grisly secrets, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
but there was more to come outside. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
There was a small cellar area in this block of flats | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
and in there was a wheelie bin. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
When scene examiners looked inside this wheelie bin, | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
they found some bags of clothing and personal belongings. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
Her clothing had bloodstaining | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
and, again, through forensic examination and analysis | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
back in the laboratory, we were able to identify | 0:09:41 | 0:09:45 | |
that it actually came from the deceased. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
There was some gaffer tape found there | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
which had lots of long human head hairs on them, | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
which looked to have been forcibly removed. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:56 | |
As it was wrapped around the head | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
and then pulled off subsequently, it would pull hair out from her head | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
and we were able to obtain DNA profile | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
from the roots of that head hair. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
In addition to the hair, | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
there were faint bloodstains on the gaffer tape. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
Again, DNA profiles matched Jolante Bledaite. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:17 | |
But there were further revelations and a breakthrough | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
when mark enhancement specialists examined the tape. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
We recovered some DNA and some fingerprints | 0:10:24 | 0:10:29 | |
and the DNA and the fingerprints | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
matched back to one of the suspects in this particular case. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:38 | |
During Skirda's interrogation, he was impassive, | 0:10:38 | 0:10:42 | |
but soon cracks began to show in his story. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
He'd known Jolante for... a good two years. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
They had lived together within the flat | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
and they'd also co-habited in previous accommodation. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
At first, he didn't really show any emotion during the interviews. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
It clearly was affecting him, and he was wanting to get it off his chest. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:04 | |
Skirda started talking | 0:11:04 | 0:11:05 | |
and very quickly implicated the older suspect. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
Plytnykas' background hinted at a violent past. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
He said Vitas Plytnykas very much led the crime | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
and the planning of it. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:16 | |
He'd served in the military in the past in Afghanistan | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
in the Russian army, we believe, and he was quite a violent man | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
who I think a lot of the community were in fear of. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
We had good evidence to put her murder at that location | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
in Brechin, and we also had evidence linking Skirda to the deceased. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:35 | |
Skirda had blurted out a stark confession. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
Graham McMillan and his team had to focus on corroborating it. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:44 | |
Forensic teams were redirected to many deposition sites. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
It was a huge area that it covered. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
Stuff dumped in bins, in rivers, in parks, right throughout Angus. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
Scene examiners were called out to study burnt items | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
found by a river bank. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
These proved to be vital. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
We received a phone call from the police to ask us | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
to send a team of scene examiners down to the river, | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
and on close examination of the burnt area | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
the team recognised documents, personal documents, | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
that were written in a foreign language, not in English. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
In further and closer examination | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
it turned out it was actually the burnt remains of a passport. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
That passport did indeed belong to the deceased. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
I had teams working on gathering CCTV | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
to corroborate that the movements that he said they made. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
More incriminating footage emerged from CCTV on a bus. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:45 | |
The suspects carried the head and hands in bin bags | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
for disposal in Arbroath. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
That left Jolante's torso. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
They arranged for someone to give them a lift down to Arbroath | 0:12:52 | 0:12:56 | |
with a large suitcase, | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
using the excuse that one of the accused was moving to a new flat. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
Once they had been dropped off, | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
CCTV revealed even more shocking evidence. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
The two men wheeled Jolante's torso inside a suitcase on a trolley | 0:13:08 | 0:13:13 | |
in broad daylight through Arbroath town centre. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
Quite nonchalantly strolling down to the harbour | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
and then returning empty-handed. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:24 | |
MORTON: The police investigation | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
also led to another examination on day five. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
One of our scene examination teams | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
were dispatched to a garage to look at a car of interest. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
This car was actually owned by a friend of one of the suspects. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
They initially noticed that the car was extremely clean, | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
both on the inside and outside of the car, almost to the point | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
where it looked as if it had been valeted in some way. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
The crime scene examiners found it unusual that no fingerprints | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
or fibres whatsoever were present inside or on a car. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
I called upon the services | 0:14:10 | 0:14:11 | |
of the Grampian police underwater search team. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
These guys came down that day and started their searches for us. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
They conducted searches of the harbour | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
in the most difficult situation and environment that you can imagine. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:25 | |
The water was freezing cold. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
The currents are extremely strong just by the harbour wall. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
It's quite a silt-based sea bed there, so visibility was next to nil, | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
so, you know, the stamina that they had, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
the cold and the currents were sapping their strength, | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
and to cap it all they were conducting a fingertip search | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
of the sea bed looking for Jolante. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
They recovered the case. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
Once we had that and secured it, | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
we again called upon forensic teams and scene managers | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
to manage the actual removal of the case and Jolante's body | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
from the sea up onto the harbour wall. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
Whenever we opened the suitcase, | 0:15:01 | 0:15:02 | |
the suitcase was covered in a lot of silt | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
because it had obviously been in the water for some time now. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
There were a large number of stones in the suitcase. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
Obviously someone had the intention of making sure | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
that that suitcase did not come up to the surface again. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
And also in the suitcase we found a torso | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
with the arms and the legs in situ, of a human being. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:26 | |
We didn't know that the hands and the head and the body | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
were all from the same individual, so we obtained DNA profiles | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
from all of those components and they obviously had the same profile. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
We also checked the vaginal swabs | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
to see if there was any evidence of semen. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
That was a long shot, but we did it nonetheless. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
Also looked at tapings or swabs taken of the body | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
to see if we could find any foreign DNA | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
from people that may have dragged the body around. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
The handle had been ripped from the case, | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
and forensic scientists worked on it. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
It was a success. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
It matched the handle found at the house with holes in the suitcase. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:05 | |
Then, another breakthrough. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
The material used to bind Jolante's feet | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
matched material from the murder site. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
On day six, the Grampian Police dive team were deployed | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
to recover any potential evidence from the River Esk near Brechin. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
The underwater search team also assisted us | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
in the recovery of knives that we believe were used | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
in removing her head and hands from her body. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
There were three knives found in the river Esk, | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
which runs near to the flat that Jolante lived in. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
There was a lot of forensic evidence against Skirda. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
There was clothing, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:50 | |
which we found DNA that indicated he was the wearer of that clothing | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
and also blood that matched that of the deceased. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
After Skirda blamed Plytnykas, | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
his flat became the focus of intensive forensic examination. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
But nothing incriminating was discovered. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
The absence of forensic evidence does not mean someone has not | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
been involved in a crime. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
The absence of evidence could suggest that the individual | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
who hasn't left material at the crime scene | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
maybe took precautions to ensure that material was not left. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:30 | |
With no hard evidence, the investigation ground to a halt. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:35 | |
It was DI Gary Ogilvie's job to interview Plytnykas. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:40 | |
I interviewed Vitas Plytnykas on four occasions | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
during the course of his time spent within police custody. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
I found him to be a very, very cold, very callous, | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
very strange individual. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
He certainly wouldn't commit to anything. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
The first three interviews had been fairly bland | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
in that he basically refused to contribute to anything | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
that I had put to him. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
The interviews went nowhere. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
But Gary continued to probe Plytnykas for weaknesses. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
He got his breakthrough | 0:18:09 | 0:18:10 | |
with conversations on the suspect's Russian Army experiences - | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
particularly the wounds he had sustained as a serving soldier. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
He opened up and began to speak to me and began to interact with me | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
and he seemed to be a completely different person | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
in that he was relaxed and willing to commit to certain things. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
Plytnykas suggested that during his service in the army | 0:18:35 | 0:18:40 | |
that he had conducted similar decapitations | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
during the occupation of Afghanistan. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
And likewise he also had, as part of living in rural Lithuania, | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
some basic butchery skills. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
But nothing about Plytnykas's army career | 0:18:52 | 0:18:54 | |
or witnessing decapitations was used in court. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:58 | |
What actually happened at Jolante's flat that night finally emerged, | 0:19:01 | 0:19:06 | |
and it was a gruesome story. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
After years of hard work, Jolante had saved ?12,000. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:15 | |
It was a lot of money to her. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
And the conspirators. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:18 | |
They knew about her savings, | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
her plans to buy her own home in Lithuania | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
and that she would leave soon. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
When Jolante said she was renting a spare room | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
to another migrant worker, | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
the men realised they had to act before the lodger arrived. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
Callously, they pounced on the helpless woman while she slept. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
They'd bound her and were threatening her with violence | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
so they could extract her PIN number from her. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
They were using the knife | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
and there were some puncture wounds on her body | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
which we discovered during the postmortem | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
and later were matched with the knives recovered from the river. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
Once she gave them the PIN number, it was Plytnykas who went | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
to test if he could withdraw money from the account, | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
leaving Skirda standing guard over Jolante during that period. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:10 | |
I can only imagine what was going through her mind | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
while she was waiting for his return, | 0:20:12 | 0:20:14 | |
knowing that she'd given him the wrong number. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
On his return, it would appear that further violence | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
was evinced against her to make her give the true PIN number. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
Once the true number was given by Jolante, | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
Plytnykas left the flat to check at the bank | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
to see if he could successfully withdraw money, | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
which he was able to do on that occasion. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
And that sealed Jolante's fate. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
They brutally murdered her, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
then disposed of her body and belongings | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
to make it look like she had returned to Lithuania. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
Jolante was smothered in her bed, taken into the bath, | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
where she was decapitated and her hands removed. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
They cleared the flat as best they could, | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
hid her body in a small cellar. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
Over the next couple of days, | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
they disposed of various items of her property. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:03 | |
Her ID cards were burnt. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
The weapons that they'd used during the crime | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
were disposed of in a river and other clothing, cosmetics... | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
all her personal belongings | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
were basically scattered to the four winds over Angus. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
I think these men thought they had committed the perfect murder. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
They thought that, you know, as long as they disposed of her body | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
and all her belongings in a thorough manner | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
then they would have all the time in the world to withdraw the money | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
from her account at their own leisure and never, ever be found for it. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:44 | |
The killers knew her head and hands would identify her, | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
so dumped them in different places. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
Then they chose the aptly named Danger Point | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
to throw her torso in the sea. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
Plytnykas and Skirda must have thought they'd got away with it. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
But they hadn't planned on a huge storm or the North Sea tides. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:10 | |
The head and hands washed up on the beach. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
Two men are due to appear in court today | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
in connection with the death of a Lithuanian woman | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
whose severed head and hands were found on a beach in Arbroath. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
These are the two men found guilty | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
of the horrific murder of Jolante Bledaite. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
Vitas Plytnykas and Aleksandras Skirda | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
dismembered and disposed of her body. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
Sentencing the men, the Judge Lord Pentland said... | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
We made contact with the authorities in Europe | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
to establish if they had previous convictions. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
It's a routine matter that we would do. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
Skirda wasn't known to the police, however, Plytnykas was. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
Plytnykas had been previously convicted of manslaughter | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
by a German court. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
Coincidentally, his conviction for murdering Jolante Bledaite | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
came within months of another high profile case | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
involving a foreign national, featured in a previous episode. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:14 | |
Slovakian Marek Harcar | 0:23:14 | 0:23:15 | |
was jailed for killing Moira Jones - | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
a Glasgow businesswoman. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:20 | |
Both murders provoked outrage in the media | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
and calls were made for tighter border controls | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
for foreign nationals with criminal records. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
One of the leading campaigners was Moira's mother, Beatrice Jones. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:34 | |
I don't believe there's anyone in this country | 0:23:35 | 0:23:40 | |
who would say, "Yes, let violent criminals in." | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
It's as simple as that. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
I can't think of anyone, whatever political persuasion, | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
who'd say, "But we're for this, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:53 | |
"we want these people to be allowed to come in." | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
Come on. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
We've got enough baddies of our own. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:00 | |
It's as simple as that. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:03 | |
In the future, new, improved profiling equipment | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
will access overseas databases | 0:24:13 | 0:24:14 | |
to identify international criminals faster. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
Carol Weston, the Senior Forensic Scientist on the Moira Jones case, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:22 | |
is studying this now. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
Another development that will be rolled out very soon | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
is the kits that we use to create DNA profiles. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
At the moment, we look at ten different areas | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
that vary between individuals. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
The new kits, however, will look at 17 areas, | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
or in some cases 24 areas, that differ between individuals. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
This gives us the power to search databases across the world | 0:24:45 | 0:24:49 | |
as opposed to just our own databases | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
because they'll all be more compatible with each other. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
But, more importantly, it means that our DNA technology | 0:24:53 | 0:24:57 | |
will be much more sensitive. | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
So we'll be able to get DNA profiles from very small stains | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
or very old stains - | 0:25:03 | 0:25:04 | |
things that our kits are not quite sensitive enough for at the moment - | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
and this could be fantastic, | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
especially in cold cases where we might need to go back | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
and look at some very small and very old samples. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
Rapid advances in forensics technology | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
make murder even harder to get away with. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:21 | |
Yet some people still believe they can commit the perfect crime. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
Occasionally a case comes up | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
where the truth is truly more bizarre than fiction. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
A woman had been reported missing by her children | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
and they were concerned | 0:25:41 | 0:25:42 | |
about the information they were given at the time by the father. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:46 | |
The missing mother was 47-year-old Carol Jarvis. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
When police knocked the door at the family home in Bathgate, | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
her husband Harry answered. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:58 | |
He told the officers his wife was there and called her. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
A woman crawled out from under the bed. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
But it wasn't his wife. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
The identity of the woman was later revealed | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
as former millionairess 57-year-old Rita Heyster. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:18 | |
Police were immediately suspicious | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
and got a warrant to search the house. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
He had since left the house, | 0:26:24 | 0:26:25 | |
we believe, with this other woman, Carol. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
She hadn't been found. We didn't know where she was. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
And that obviously led to a search of the house. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
And they discovered a dead body | 0:26:33 | 0:26:34 | |
underneath the floorboards of the living room. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
At that point, the police are keen to ascertain | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
exactly who that person is. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
One, is it a female? | 0:26:41 | 0:26:42 | |
Is it the missing person, Carol Jarvis? | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
And be able to recover that body as quickly as possible | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
to be able to confirm that. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
The immediate task was to recover any forensic material | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
without compromising other evidence at the scene. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
This also meant sifting through piles of junk. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
It was a painstaking process in such a tight space. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
If you can imagine how some people might keep lots of junk | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
in their attic, | 0:27:09 | 0:27:10 | |
this space underneath the floor basically resembled that. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
There was loads of junk, bits of furniture, lamps, books, | 0:27:13 | 0:27:17 | |
paperwork, magazines, suitcases. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
That sort of stuff was underneath that floor along with the body. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
The body was concealed underneath a lot of that. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
So we had to do a very staged approach to the examination | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
of removing every layer step by step and documenting that stage by stage | 0:27:31 | 0:27:36 | |
for the police and, obviously, future at court, | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
before we could even get to the body. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:40 | |
In itself that took some time. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
She was only wearing a red dressing gown at the time | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
and no underwear and the dress was slightly rucked up, | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
exposing the lower half of her body. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
We then go on to examine and take samples of the body in situ, | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
because sometimes that can be really important | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
because when you start to move a body, | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
especially when it's in the process of decomposition, | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
you start to get further spillage of bodily fluids | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
through the natural process of decomposition. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:07 | |
I suspect the body's been there for about four to five days. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
It was a long September Weekend. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:12 | |
It was very warm, as well. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
There was an element of deterioration there | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
which made it more difficult for the scientists | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
to obtain material to work with. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
It's not a very pleasant situation where you've got a dead body | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
that you're in a confined space with. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:25 | |
Amanda's forensic examination took over four hours | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
before the body was removed from under the floorboards, | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
then placed in a body bag. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
But she had not found any obvious external injuries on the body. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
A postmortem was carried out | 0:28:48 | 0:28:49 | |
and we were never able to establish the cause of death. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:51 | |
So we don't really know exactly what went on in that house, | 0:28:51 | 0:28:55 | |
who was responsible for physically killing Carol. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:58 | |
The only people that know that are Harry and Rita. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
For whatever reason, the pathologists, the scientists, | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
toxicologists couldn't tell us how she died. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
We suspected that she may have been drugged, | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
poisoned and that's ultimately what caused her death. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:12 | |
Perhaps it's being suffocated, even strangled, as part of that process, | 0:29:12 | 0:29:16 | |
but we were never, ever able to find out exactly how she died. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
As you can imagine, in a case like this, | 0:29:20 | 0:29:21 | |
where the police have no information | 0:29:21 | 0:29:23 | |
how that body's come to be under the floorboards, | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
there's pressure for us to, as quickly as possible, | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
examine these items to help them with their enquiries | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
and provide that crucial DNA evidence | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
to either charge somebody with the crime | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
or, for the family, to find out what's happened. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
Police trawled CCTV footage | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
and discovered Harry and Rita at St Andrew's bus station in Edinburgh. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:44 | |
Holding hands, they wandered over to the bus stances, | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
oblivious of the police search of their home. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
They boarded a bus to Dundee. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
Meantime, Harry's eldest daughter | 0:30:03 | 0:30:05 | |
Susan had contacted her father | 0:30:05 | 0:30:06 | |
on his mobile phone. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:08 | |
Harry told her he was with Carol | 0:30:09 | 0:30:11 | |
and that he was coming back to Edinburgh. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:13 | |
When Phil Gachagan heard the news, he now knew Harry was lying, | 0:30:13 | 0:30:17 | |
and lay in wait for him. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
When Harry pitched up back in Edinburgh with Rita | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
the two of them were detained. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
Both of them gave conflicting stories about what happened | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
during their interviews. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:29 | |
Harry Jarvis, he maintained that he loved his wife | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
and that he wouldn't have done her any harm. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:34 | |
He claimed that she'd died of natural causes | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
and he put her body under the floorboards | 0:30:37 | 0:30:38 | |
because he couldn't bear to be without her. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:40 | |
Rita claimed that she and Harry were together as a couple | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
and that they wanted to leave the area to start a new life together | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
and that he needed to leave Carol, | 0:30:46 | 0:30:48 | |
and she knew nothing about what happened to Carol. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
She said that she didn't know that Carol was dead. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
Harry claimed not to be in a relationship with Rita. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
That she was just a friend that he was looking after | 0:30:55 | 0:30:57 | |
and he'd given her some accommodation | 0:30:57 | 0:30:59 | |
for a short period of time. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
Phil Gachagan knew there would be huge media interest in the case | 0:31:02 | 0:31:06 | |
and it was his very first murder in charge. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
I think the pressure that I felt more was the pressure not to fail. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:18 | |
There were four children there | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
who were desperate to know what happened to their mum | 0:31:20 | 0:31:22 | |
and who clearly wanted justice for their mother. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
Amanda recovered evidence from under the floorboards | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
that would prove vital. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:29 | |
A large piece of parcel tape that had been wrapped around something. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:36 | |
When we examined that back here in the laboratory, | 0:31:36 | 0:31:38 | |
we found not only blood but skin flakes from multiple sources | 0:31:38 | 0:31:43 | |
on the tape with DNA profiles matching that of Carol, | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
of Harry Jarvis and Rita Heyster, | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
as well as other fragments like fibres and skin as well. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
So, it was a great source of forensic evidence and biological evidence. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:56 | |
Next, Amanda conducted a thorough search of every single room | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
in the house and made another important discovery. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
We found a roll of tape that was in one of the bedrooms, | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
and this was similar to the parcel tape | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
that we found underneath the floorboards with the deceased, | 0:32:14 | 0:32:16 | |
and when we recovered that and examined that | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
back at the laboratory, we were able to find some sources of DNA | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
from Harry Jarvis and Carol Jarvis and Rita as well. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:28 | |
We also examined that piece of tape. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
It had a cut end but also a pulled end, | 0:32:30 | 0:32:32 | |
and then when we opened that up and compared it with the piece of tape | 0:32:32 | 0:32:36 | |
that was found on the body, we found that it was a physical fit | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
and a direct match from the piece of tape that we found with the body. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
It's one of the most eagerly-awaited telephone calls, in fact, as an SIO, | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
when the scientist calls you | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
to give you the results of some of the tests. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
It's good to know that we have evidence and we've got a DNA profile, | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
but also to have matches, to say who that DNA may have come from | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
is something of a feat in itself. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:58 | |
There's a whole load of circumstances there | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
which allow us to charge the two of them with the murder. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:05 | |
Then we continue with the investigation thereafter | 0:33:05 | 0:33:07 | |
to build up more of a case. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:09 | |
We conducted further examination work on medical samples | 0:33:09 | 0:33:13 | |
that were taken from Harry Jarvis and Rita Heyster | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
including nail scrapings that were taken from them at the time | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
when they were detained. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
When we examined the nail scrapes from Rita Heyster, | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
we found DNA from at least three sources | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
and we were able to resolve those DNA profiles | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
to matches not only of Rita Heyster, which is not unusual, | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
you would expect to find DNA from the swabs the person's been taken, | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
as well as from Harry Jarvis. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
And what was remaining was a strong profile | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
that matched that of Carol Jarvis. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
Couldn't say, scientifically, exactly what the source of that DNA was, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
but our opinion was that it wasn't through social contact | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
or for other means of secondary contact. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
Slowly but surely the whole story emerged. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
Harry was 30 and Carol only 16 when they first met in London. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:01 | |
Four children later, they moved to Scotland. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:05 | |
Carol was a very slight woman. She relied on Harry a lot. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:10 | |
She loved him dearly. That was quite clear. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:12 | |
The children told me that. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:13 | |
And she was very devoted to him. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
Mum, you know, was really in love with Dad | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
and so she would always look for the best in him, | 0:34:21 | 0:34:25 | |
and, even, you could tell Mum that he was the worst person in the world | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
and she wouldn't believe that, you know? | 0:34:28 | 0:34:30 | |
Harry was... | 0:34:30 | 0:34:32 | |
He was a bit of a fantasist, to be fair, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
he got involved in all sorts of dodgy dealing. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:36 | |
He was arrested by the police a few times for minor frauds | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
and stuff like that. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:40 | |
He had some affairs over the years and met other women - | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
vulnerable women. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:44 | |
He fleeced them for whatever he could. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
But Carol would always find Harry and they would get together again. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
He would come back. A sort of cycle would start all over again. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:54 | |
Over a period of time, Carol became reliant on drugs, | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
prescription drugs, prescribed drugs, | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
and Harry became her main carer. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
By that time, Harry had met Rita Heyster via an online dating site. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
By then the relationship had flourished | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
and Rita moved to Bathgate to be with him. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
Rita had been adopted as a child by Tom Forsyth, | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
who owned the Jus-Rol bakery company. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
So, when he died in his early 50s, Rita inherited nearly ?2.5 million. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:26 | |
She was in her early 20s, | 0:35:26 | 0:35:27 | |
but over the years that money was frittered away | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
on failed relationships and bad investments. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
At the time of this murder, she was virtually penniless. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
Unfortunately she didn't have anywhere to live at that time, | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
didn't have any money | 0:35:41 | 0:35:42 | |
and Harry, bizarrely, accommodated her in the garden shed. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
Nobody knew at that time that Rita was staying in the shed. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
There were rumours in the local community | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
but nobody reported it to the police. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:51 | |
So it was a real surprise | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
when we found out that there was this woman living in a shed. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
I was told there was a summer house, | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
and I went round to the rear garden and I discovered that it was a shed, | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
and not a great shed, at that. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:03 | |
So, not only have you somebody living above the locus | 0:36:03 | 0:36:05 | |
but there's also people living in an address adjacent | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
and this shed is directly next to next door's patio | 0:36:08 | 0:36:13 | |
where they would maybe sit of a nice evening | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
and enjoy the sunshine while this woman is living in a shed next door. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:19 | |
Also, in addition to that, Harry had a CCTV camera hooked up | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
looking down on the shed, as well. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:24 | |
And the shed itself wasn't the most robust. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
There was a window, and it was broken, | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
and it wouldn't have made for pleasant living conditions. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
Harry would look after her, | 0:36:33 | 0:36:35 | |
bring her her tea, bring her her food. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:36 | |
He would allow her into the house every now and then to use the toilet | 0:36:36 | 0:36:40 | |
and then he would put her back into the shed. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
All this time his wife was lying in bed | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
and unable to, sort of, do anything for herself. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
There was a basic futon-style mattress on the floor of the shed. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
There was no bed covers. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:52 | |
The only thing that we found was that there was a pillow | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
with a pillow slip, | 0:36:55 | 0:36:56 | |
and the pillow slip pattern matched that of the design and pattern | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
of the duvet cover that Carol Jarvis was found in, and wrapped in. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:03 | |
So, bizarrely, what we have here now is Rita living in the garden shed | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
and Carol in bed. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
Harry and Rita, by this time, | 0:37:14 | 0:37:16 | |
have decided that they want to be together. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
He has to come up with a way of leaving Carol | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
and this was when, I think, the plot was hatched to kill Carol. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:27 | |
I don't know why Harry decided that the only way to be with Rita | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
was to kill Carol. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:33 | |
Yes, he could have left Carol and been with Rita | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
if that is what he wanted. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:37 | |
I think, though, over time, over the years, | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
Harry had left Carol on a number of occasions to be with other women. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:44 | |
But Carol doted on him and sought him out, | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
found him and talked him into going back to be with her. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
I can only assume that he felt that the only way | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
that he was never going to found by Carol again was to kill her. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:57 | |
However, there were still a lot of obstacles to overcome | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
before the case was ready for court. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
It took over a year, as well, for it to go to court | 0:38:03 | 0:38:06 | |
because at one point the Crown weren't sure if they could proceed | 0:38:06 | 0:38:10 | |
with the case because of the complexity of it - | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
the fact that we didn't have a cause of death, | 0:38:12 | 0:38:14 | |
and we didn't really know what happened in that house. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
I didn't know if this case was even going to see the court. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
Then a serious complication emerged. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
A successful appeal in another case, | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
relating to solicitor access, impacted on the Carol Jarvis case. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:31 | |
The interviews that we carried out with Harry and Rita | 0:38:33 | 0:38:36 | |
were deemed inadmissible. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:38 | |
I thought what had been a fairly straightforward case | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
turned out to be a very complex case. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
Unusually, in this case, both the accused were tried separately | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
for legal reasons and therefore I not only gave evidence once, | 0:38:46 | 0:38:50 | |
I had to give evidence twice. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
Harry Jarvis was the first of the two lovers | 0:38:52 | 0:38:54 | |
to stand trial in March 2011. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:56 | |
The evidence that we had became more important | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
because we didn't have a cause of death. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
But to be able to explain that to a jury | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
who maybe have no scientific background in very simple words, | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
to me, as a forensic scientist, my biggest challenge. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:09 | |
Because if I can't produce and present my evidence in court well, | 0:39:09 | 0:39:13 | |
then the whole case could basically fall apart. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
Amanda faced five hours under cross-examination over two days. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:22 | |
The police also offered compelling evidence. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:26 | |
We found a number of letters on both Harry and Rita's possession | 0:39:27 | 0:39:31 | |
when we detained them. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:32 | |
It was quite clear from these letters | 0:39:32 | 0:39:34 | |
that Harry was sending to Rita that he was trying to kill his wife. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:38 | |
There's one mention of the drugs not working. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:40 | |
It was taking longer than he thought, | 0:39:40 | 0:39:42 | |
but soon they would be together. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:44 | |
So there was a clear intent there, in my opinion, to kill Carol | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
and Rita knew about it. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
I sat at the back of the court, and the foreman delivered the verdict, | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
and you could cut the atmosphere with a knife. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:54 | |
We didn't have a cause of death. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:55 | |
We don't actually know what happened in there. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
We weren't able to use the statements of the two accused. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
So that was something that will live with me as well. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
Sitting there, at the back of that court, | 0:40:03 | 0:40:05 | |
not knowing whether the jury were going to deliver | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
a guilty or a not guilty verdict. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:09 | |
When they came back with a guilty verdict, | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
that was a huge relief for me. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:13 | |
A huge relief. I felt that I'd done my job | 0:40:13 | 0:40:15 | |
and that I'd delivered that justice for the family. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
A very difficult time, obviously, over the last few years | 0:40:18 | 0:40:20 | |
and obviously, although delighted, it's a sad day as well. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:25 | |
It's difficult to say you're pleased because, like Graham says, | 0:40:25 | 0:40:29 | |
obviously you've still lost your two parents, in a sense. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:31 | |
So, no matter what the outcome was going to be, | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
that was always going to be difficult to comprehend. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
But, I think, as relieved or as pleased as you could be | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
in the circumstances, yeah. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:39 | |
I don't really want to ever speak to him, | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
and I won't forgive him for it, or anything, so I'm just kind of... | 0:40:45 | 0:40:49 | |
To me, right now, he's my dad in biology and genes only. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:53 | |
He's not, like, my father. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
But there was still a second trial to be heard. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
In July 2011, it was Rita Heyster's turn. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:03 | |
The second trial was even more punishing for Amanda. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
I actually gave evidence over a period of three days | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
which, for me, is the longest time that I've ever given evidence | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
in court for a case like this. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
It was quite clear that Rita wasn't particularly streetwise. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
I think she liked companionship | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
and I think that's what she sought in Harry. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:22 | |
I don't know if she suspected that Harry had intended to kill his wife, | 0:41:22 | 0:41:26 | |
but she was certainly there at the time that his wife was killed | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
and clearly she was involved in disposing of the body, | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
if not involved in the murder itself. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:34 | |
There was no case to answer at court in terms of the murder | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
but she was certainly convicted of trying to hide the body. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
Rita Heyster got four years and six months | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
for attempting to defeat the course of justice. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
I don't think any of us actually believe | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
that Rita couldn't make her own mind up, at the end of the day. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:51 | |
She still formulated her own opinions. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:54 | |
So, she kind of just went with the flow, and so - | 0:41:54 | 0:41:56 | |
is she a victim? No. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:58 | |
I think the thing that I remember most about this was the fact | 0:41:58 | 0:42:02 | |
that here we had two women who appeared to be devoted to this man. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:06 | |
One who ultimately paid the price and died | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
and the other ended up in prison because of it, because of him. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
That was the thing for me. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:13 | |
The other thing was the four children. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
I mean, they've lost their mum in horrendous circumstances, | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
but they've also lost their dad. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:19 | |
He's been sentenced to life in prison. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
Their lives are never going to be the same again. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
Today, forensic scientists catch more killers than ever. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:37 | |
The future's very exciting for forensic science at the moment | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
with lots of interesting developments in the pipeline. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:46 | |
DNA miniaturisation is effectively miniaturising the DNA laboratory, | 0:42:46 | 0:42:52 | |
and it allows us to have a piece of equipment in police custody suites, | 0:42:52 | 0:42:57 | |
and what we'll be able to do is take a sample from someone | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
who's in police custody, who's been arrested, | 0:43:00 | 0:43:02 | |
and their DNA sample can be run through this piece of kit | 0:43:02 | 0:43:06 | |
and within 90 minutes we'll have a full DNA profile from this person | 0:43:06 | 0:43:10 | |
which can then be searched against any DNA database | 0:43:10 | 0:43:14 | |
and can be seen if there's a match with any outstanding crimes | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
held on the database. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:18 | |
It's going to take away quite a bit of time with the DNA analysis | 0:43:18 | 0:43:22 | |
and give you more instant results, | 0:43:22 | 0:43:24 | |
and I think it's especially crucial with linking unsolved crimes, | 0:43:24 | 0:43:28 | |
for example, sexual crimes. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:30 | |
If you had someone in who was suspected of a sexual crime, | 0:43:30 | 0:43:33 | |
possibly you could link several crimes on the database to this person | 0:43:33 | 0:43:37 | |
in a matter of a couple of hours, | 0:43:37 | 0:43:39 | |
which in the past, may have taken days. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:41 | |
Even so, cases arise where forensic science | 0:43:44 | 0:43:47 | |
directly influences a police investigation. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:50 | |
On Sunday the 30th April 2012, | 0:43:52 | 0:43:56 | |
a neighbour alerted Tayside police | 0:43:56 | 0:43:57 | |
after disturbing a hooded male intruder | 0:43:57 | 0:44:00 | |
at 63-year-old John Kennedy's home in Mossgiel Crescent, Dundee. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:04 | |
When forensic biologist Barry Mitchell was called in by police, | 0:44:07 | 0:44:11 | |
he discovered a grisly scene. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:13 | |
As we were standing in the vestibule, | 0:44:17 | 0:44:19 | |
looking into the living room, we could see the body of a deceased male | 0:44:19 | 0:44:23 | |
lying on the floor, face down, along the front of a sofa. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:27 | |
The upper part of his body was lying in a pool of blood. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:30 | |
I recall being advised from the postmortem | 0:44:37 | 0:44:40 | |
that there were in excess of 70 stab wounds on the deceased's body, | 0:44:40 | 0:44:45 | |
and, in fact, when I subsequently examined the deceased's fleece top | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
in the laboratory, we counted more than 90 stab cuts | 0:44:48 | 0:44:52 | |
within that fleece top. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:53 | |
There was no known motive. | 0:44:55 | 0:44:57 | |
There was nothing to suggest that there was any enemies involved. | 0:44:57 | 0:45:00 | |
There was nothing to suggest that there would be anybody | 0:45:00 | 0:45:02 | |
that wanted to do this or had anything against John Kennedy. | 0:45:02 | 0:45:05 | |
So we were absolutely reliant on the skills and the abilities | 0:45:05 | 0:45:09 | |
of our forensic counterparts. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:11 | |
Scene examiners had identified the presence of a glove | 0:45:11 | 0:45:13 | |
within the locus as they went about their recording of the scene, | 0:45:13 | 0:45:17 | |
and it was identified that this glove could well be alien to the locus. | 0:45:17 | 0:45:20 | |
So it was targeted as a priority item for examination. | 0:45:20 | 0:45:24 | |
DNA analysis revealed several wearers. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:30 | |
But in the lab, Barry Mitchell narrowed the suspects down | 0:45:30 | 0:45:34 | |
and even had a name - Michael Nolan. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
He hadn't even come into the police investigation. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:40 | |
Such was the significance of this | 0:45:40 | 0:45:42 | |
that it immediately did change the focus of the enquiry. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:46 | |
At that stage, our enquiries were not focused on Michael Nolan at all. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:49 | |
Generally speaking, we'll have an idea as to who is responsible, | 0:45:49 | 0:45:52 | |
but there's absolutely no question | 0:45:52 | 0:45:54 | |
that without the contribution of biologists in particular | 0:45:54 | 0:45:58 | |
this would have proved to have been | 0:45:58 | 0:46:00 | |
a very, very testing and difficult enquiry. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:03 | |
Aware of the forensic evidence stacked against him, | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
Michael Nolan entered a guilty plea and was sentenced | 0:46:06 | 0:46:09 | |
at Edinburgh High Court | 0:46:09 | 0:46:11 | |
to 17 years imprisonment. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:13 | |
The Nolan case is forensic science at its very best - | 0:46:15 | 0:46:19 | |
naming a suspect before the police. | 0:46:19 | 0:46:21 | |
But what will advances like custody suite technology mean? | 0:46:22 | 0:46:26 | |
The difference between the custody suite technology | 0:46:27 | 0:46:30 | |
and the technology that will be developed at crime scenes | 0:46:30 | 0:46:33 | |
is simply the type of sample. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:35 | |
For a custody suite, you're working with a mouth swab | 0:46:35 | 0:46:39 | |
taken from a person. It's a nice fresh sample. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:41 | |
It's got a lot of DNA in it. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:43 | |
So it's very easy to get a nice single source profile. | 0:46:43 | 0:46:47 | |
However, when you're out at a crime scene, | 0:46:47 | 0:46:48 | |
your DNA sample might not be of such good quality, | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
and it might contain a mixture of DNA from more than one person. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:54 | |
And that takes a lot more technology | 0:46:54 | 0:46:57 | |
to be able to create a quick 90-minute profile, | 0:46:57 | 0:46:59 | |
and that's where we're heading now, | 0:46:59 | 0:47:01 | |
and that's what we're currently working on. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:03 | |
As we move on, as science develops, | 0:47:03 | 0:47:07 | |
miniaturisation comes in and we're now able to do DNA profiling | 0:47:07 | 0:47:12 | |
with even smaller and smaller machines. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:14 | |
A more exciting development will be the crime scene rapid technology, | 0:47:26 | 0:47:30 | |
because that way you could actually get intelligence | 0:47:30 | 0:47:33 | |
to identify a suspect very quickly, perhaps even at the crime scene, | 0:47:33 | 0:47:37 | |
and at that point the person's still out on the street | 0:47:37 | 0:47:39 | |
and still free, and not in police custody. | 0:47:39 | 0:47:42 | |
So, to me, that's the one that will make the huge difference. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:45 | |
The research and development in forensic science | 0:47:45 | 0:47:47 | |
allows us to develop technologies | 0:47:47 | 0:47:50 | |
that make forensic science a very powerful tool, | 0:47:50 | 0:47:52 | |
and it means it's very hard to get away with murder. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:56 | |
This includes unsolved historic murders | 0:47:56 | 0:47:58 | |
that go back for several decades. | 0:47:58 | 0:48:00 | |
So, a suspect could be identified instantly. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:06 | |
It's becoming almost impossible to get away with murder. | 0:48:07 | 0:48:11 | |
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