Episode 2 Crime Scenes Scotland: Forensics Squad


Episode 2

Similar Content

Browse content similar to Episode 2. Check below for episodes and series from the same categories and more!

Transcript


LineFromTo

But of course, it wasn't a profile that matched Peter Tobin.

0:00:010:00:02

This week, the forensic teams investigate the cases

0:00:030:00:05

of two young women,

0:00:050:00:07

brutally murdered in Glasgow in one weekend

0:00:070:00:10

just a few miles apart.

0:00:100:00:11

I believe, in Scotland, we've been able to deliver a unique service.

0:00:210:00:24

To identify suspects is one thing,

0:00:270:00:29

and then to prove people are guilty of a crime

0:00:290:00:31

is something completely different.

0:00:310:00:32

Although you see a lot of dead people,

0:00:360:00:38

you treat everyone as an individual and with respect and with humanity.

0:00:380:00:41

Forensic scientists - they are silent witnesses

0:00:440:00:47

and they are the eyes and ears of law enforcement.

0:00:470:00:50

A young professional woman. A lot to live for.

0:01:100:01:13

Brutally battered to death.

0:01:130:01:15

This is probably one of the most pre-meditated murders

0:01:180:01:20

I've ever encountered.

0:01:200:01:22

We're into double figures of murders in a month

0:01:220:01:24

and everyone is picking up murders and working on murders.

0:01:240:01:28

But first, we return to a previous case.

0:01:340:01:36

I suspected, by the modus operandi with Angelika Kluk,

0:01:390:01:43

that he'd committed other crimes.

0:01:430:01:44

Security officers handle criminals and murderers daily,

0:01:470:01:50

but they struggled to restrain contempt

0:01:500:01:53

toward the man facing charges

0:01:530:01:54

for the rape and murder of Angelika Kluk

0:01:540:01:57

in September 2006.

0:01:570:01:58

The body of the 23-year-old Polish student

0:02:000:02:02

had been found wrapped in bin bags and dumped under the floorboards

0:02:020:02:06

of a Glasgow church.

0:02:060:02:07

But as the trial progressed,

0:02:090:02:11

even more chilling discoveries were made.

0:02:110:02:13

It's the one and only time

0:02:150:02:16

when the hairs have actually stood up on the back of my neck

0:02:160:02:20

when I received a telephone call

0:02:200:02:22

from the Head of CID in Lothian and Borders Police

0:02:220:02:26

to tell me that they had just discovered

0:02:260:02:29

that Peter Tobin was living in Bathgate

0:02:290:02:32

at the time of Vicky Hamilton's disappearance.

0:02:320:02:36

The missing 15-year-old was last seen in Bathgate town centre.

0:02:360:02:40

When police discovered Tobin's connection to the town,

0:02:400:02:43

their investigation grew.

0:02:430:02:45

Veteran David Swindle,

0:02:450:02:47

senior investigating officer on the Kluk case,

0:02:470:02:50

already had his suspicions.

0:02:500:02:52

At the same time, I set up Operation Anagram,

0:02:520:02:54

because I suspected that Peter Tobin had committed other crimes.

0:02:540:02:58

The conviction for the murder of Angelika Kluk

0:02:580:03:03

was a significant milestone to the next stages

0:03:030:03:06

of finding out what Tobin had done.

0:03:060:03:07

Tobin's former home in Bathgate became a crime scene.

0:03:080:03:12

The occupants rehoused to allow a search.

0:03:120:03:14

Serial killers keep trophies.

0:03:160:03:18

In the loft, a dagger was found hidden behind a joist.

0:03:180:03:22

Forensics found a tiny slither of flesh on the blade

0:03:220:03:26

and Tobin was questioned.

0:03:260:03:28

As I say I've never met her.

0:03:300:03:31

You know what I mean? I've never, ever.

0:03:310:03:33

The challenge of matching someone as young as Vicky

0:03:330:03:36

with the DNA from the flesh on the knife was impossible,

0:03:360:03:38

even for forensics.

0:03:380:03:39

But then a sharp investigator made a major breakthrough.

0:03:410:03:44

Babies born in Scotland from 1962

0:03:460:03:48

have a screening test called the Guthrie sample.

0:03:480:03:51

A pin prick of blood is taken from their heel.

0:03:520:03:55

Vicky had had that test and the vital DNA match was made.

0:03:550:04:00

It was a fantastic piece of detective work

0:04:010:04:05

and forensic science and that was a huge breakthrough

0:04:050:04:08

because then, the police really knew that they were getting close.

0:04:080:04:12

Then another cold case involving a missing person

0:04:130:04:16

came to the attention of Operation Anagram.

0:04:160:04:19

Dinah McNicol innocently hitched a lift

0:04:190:04:22

on the way home from a music festival also in 1991.

0:04:220:04:25

Subsequently, an Essex police analyst

0:04:270:04:30

discovered unusual withdrawals from her bank account in Margate.

0:04:300:04:33

Living there at the time - Peter Tobin.

0:04:340:04:37

That prompted police to issue a search warrant.

0:04:380:04:41

On the 14th of November 2007,

0:04:410:04:44

the first gruesome discovery was made.

0:04:440:04:47

Brazenly, Tobin had buried Vicky Hamilton's body

0:04:480:04:52

in his garden at Irvine Drive, Margate.

0:04:520:04:54

It was important that we had proper communication

0:04:560:04:58

and a single point of contact for forensic issues.

0:04:580:05:01

And the single point of contact for SPSA was Carol Weston.

0:05:010:05:06

When Peter Tobin was convicted,

0:05:080:05:09

initially, we looked at all his items of property

0:05:090:05:12

and we obtained some DNA profiles which I held

0:05:120:05:16

and ultimately loaded onto a database for missing persons

0:05:160:05:19

which collates all the genetic information

0:05:190:05:22

about people who are missing.

0:05:220:05:24

Then as the forces started looking into their missing persons,

0:05:240:05:27

any DNA profiles they had of interest,

0:05:270:05:30

they could send to me.

0:05:300:05:31

Some aspects of the case were familiar

0:05:310:05:33

to investigators on the Kluk murder.

0:05:330:05:35

So she was wrapped in five bin bags, very much like a Chinese doll

0:05:360:05:40

and some fantastic work done by fingerprint officers

0:05:400:05:43

of Lothian and Borders police, who were able to identify

0:05:430:05:47

from bin bags which had been in the ground for many years

0:05:470:05:51

four fingerprints which matched that of Peter Tobin.

0:05:510:05:54

Two days later,

0:05:560:05:57

the skeleton of Dinah McNicol was uncovered,

0:05:570:06:00

buried in the same shallow grave.

0:06:000:06:02

Both bodies had to be formally identified through dental records.

0:06:030:06:06

The forensic investigation began

0:06:080:06:10

and toxicologists made a vital discovery.

0:06:100:06:12

In the cases of Dinah McNicol and Vicky Hamilton,

0:06:130:06:16

we received samples from which we were able

0:06:160:06:18

to detect the presence of a drug called amitriptyline.

0:06:180:06:20

Amitriptyline is a central nervous system depressant.

0:06:200:06:23

It's used for depression and for treating neuropathic pain.

0:06:230:06:27

One of the side effects of amitriptyline

0:06:270:06:29

is its sedative effect.

0:06:290:06:31

Obviously, a decomposing body over that period of time,

0:06:310:06:34

you'd expect very little of the blood or the tissues left

0:06:340:06:37

and we're reliant on those blood samples and tissue samples

0:06:370:06:40

in order to extract the drugs.

0:06:400:06:41

However, in both cases, we were able to recover material

0:06:410:06:45

that hadn't fully decomposed and from that, fortunately,

0:06:450:06:49

we were able to detect the drug amitriptyline in them.

0:06:490:06:51

The forensic team began to re-examine preserved evidence.

0:06:510:06:56

Vicky's purse, which had been discarded by Tobin

0:06:560:06:58

and found in the centre of Edinburgh,

0:06:580:07:00

had been held for 16 years.

0:07:000:07:03

We knew it was her purse because her bank cards were in it,

0:07:040:07:07

there was some stuff that had been given by her sister.

0:07:070:07:10

It could all be identified.

0:07:100:07:12

So we knew it was Vicky Hamilton's purse.

0:07:120:07:14

The scientist managed to get the profile from the metal clasp.

0:07:140:07:18

But of course, it wasn't a profile that matched Peter Tobin.

0:07:180:07:22

But Tobin had two sons.

0:07:220:07:24

The younger of the two was staying with his father

0:07:240:07:27

when Vicky Hamilton disappeared.

0:07:270:07:29

They contacted Peter Tobin's son and got the sample of blood

0:07:290:07:33

and obtained a profile from it

0:07:330:07:36

and it matched the profile, the DNA profile,

0:07:360:07:39

from the metal clasp of Vicky Hamilton's purse.

0:07:390:07:42

And the scientists were able to say that, in their opinion,

0:07:420:07:46

the DNA profile came from saliva

0:07:460:07:50

and were able to say that that was consistent

0:07:500:07:53

with Vicky Hamilton's purse having been given to the wee boy

0:07:530:07:57

and he'd put it in his mouth, as youngsters sometimes do.

0:07:570:08:00

Tobin's fate had been sealed

0:08:000:08:03

and forensic staff began preparations

0:08:030:08:05

for his second and third murder trials.

0:08:050:08:07

The multi-media unit created graphics

0:08:080:08:11

to show the positions of the two bodies

0:08:110:08:13

buried in Tobin's garden

0:08:130:08:14

and also to sanitise grisly images for the jury.

0:08:140:08:18

At Vicky Hamilton's trial,

0:08:190:08:21

the DNA linked to her purse,

0:08:210:08:23

the breakthrough with the Guthrie sample

0:08:230:08:25

and fingerprints on the body wrapping

0:08:250:08:28

resulted in a second guilty verdict.

0:08:280:08:30

Tonight, Peter Tobin is beginning a life sentence.

0:08:330:08:36

He'll serve at least 30 years.

0:08:360:08:39

It's very likely Peter Tobin will die in jail.

0:08:390:08:43

The third guilty verdict was even more significant.

0:08:430:08:46

It's very easy for people to speculate

0:08:470:08:50

and say that Tobin has done 20 murders, 40 murders, 100 murders.

0:08:500:08:54

We know he's done three.

0:08:540:08:56

He's a serial killer.

0:08:560:08:58

Queen's Park, on the south side of Glasgow,

0:09:160:09:18

is popular with the local community.

0:09:180:09:20

Early that summer morning,

0:09:220:09:24

news began to spread

0:09:240:09:25

that a local woman had been found brutally murdered.

0:09:250:09:28

I was told there was a body been found in the park.

0:09:330:09:37

At that point, I don't think they were sure

0:09:370:09:39

if it was male or female.

0:09:390:09:41

They just knew there was a body and that the body was partially clothed.

0:09:410:09:44

It was an absolutely brutal murder. A very sad case.

0:09:440:09:47

A young professional woman. A lot to live for.

0:09:470:09:50

Just going home after a night out with her partner.

0:09:500:09:53

Brutally battered to death.

0:09:530:09:55

A massive investigation immediately swung into action.

0:09:560:09:59

The man in charge was Derek Robertson.

0:10:000:10:03

The initial aspects are we must lock down the crime scene -

0:10:040:10:07

preserve all the evidence we can.

0:10:070:10:09

So I had to make sure we had relied and trusted people in Queen's Park

0:10:090:10:12

to guard the body and preserve any evidence that was there.

0:10:120:10:14

And lock down any witnesses in the vicinity.

0:10:140:10:16

And look for potential suspects

0:10:160:10:18

that could still be in the area.

0:10:180:10:19

The crime scene at Queen's Park was 148 acres -

0:10:230:10:26

one of the biggest ever in Scotland.

0:10:260:10:28

But Derek Robertson was used to large-scale police investigations.

0:10:300:10:33

My policy decisions were shut the park gates.

0:10:370:10:39

If anybody's in the park, record their details

0:10:390:10:41

and make sure there's nothing suspicious about them.

0:10:410:10:44

The perimeter of the park,

0:10:440:10:45

I want all car registration numbers taken.

0:10:450:10:47

I want a crime scene manager

0:10:470:10:48

who is a specialist-trained CID officer at the locus,

0:10:480:10:52

right where the body is,

0:10:520:10:53

to set parameters on guarding the body,

0:10:530:10:55

barrier tapes, sufficient number of officers to guard it,

0:10:550:10:58

photographers, forensic support...

0:10:580:11:00

It's like getting the specialists moving.

0:11:000:11:03

So we went in the first cordon,

0:11:030:11:05

walked along this path towards a grassy area.

0:11:050:11:08

One side of the grassy area, there was a small privet hedge

0:11:080:11:11

and Moira's body was actually behind the hedge.

0:11:110:11:14

So it wasn't apparent until you got close to the body

0:11:140:11:17

and looked over the hedge

0:11:170:11:18

that you could see her lying there, and she was lying face down.

0:11:180:11:21

Our first job would be to photograph that, video it.

0:11:210:11:24

It was fairly new at that time,

0:11:240:11:25

to do the 360 panoramas of the scene.

0:11:250:11:28

Working outside is challenging enough for forensics

0:11:280:11:31

without unwanted attention from the media

0:11:310:11:34

who even chartered helicopters.

0:11:340:11:36

A tent was erected to hide the body

0:11:370:11:39

and protect evidence from prying eyes and telescopic lenses,

0:11:390:11:42

allowing forensics to do their work.

0:11:420:11:45

Before we actually go anywhere near the body,

0:11:460:11:48

the first thing you want to do is to recover any evidence

0:11:480:11:52

away from the body.

0:11:520:11:53

Ideally, you want to establish

0:11:530:11:55

how the person has approached the body and left the body,

0:11:550:11:57

because they're going to have left some sort of trace.

0:11:570:12:01

We didn't know if Moira had been dragged through the hedge

0:12:010:12:03

or thrown over the hedge.

0:12:030:12:04

We didn't know if the person had gone into the hedged area.

0:12:040:12:08

So the first thing we did was to search the hedge thoroughly.

0:12:080:12:10

Because the vegetation's quite jaggy and rough,

0:12:100:12:13

there's a chance people would catch their clothing on it,

0:12:130:12:16

catch their hair on it, even cut themselves.

0:12:160:12:18

So we wanted to recover any trace evidence first

0:12:180:12:21

before it was disturbed.

0:12:210:12:22

Because it was a recent body

0:12:240:12:26

that hadn't been outside for very long,

0:12:260:12:28

I felt very strongly there would be a real high expectation

0:12:280:12:32

of recovering DNA at least - foreign DNA - from the body.

0:12:320:12:36

So I wanted to make sure that we recovered what we could first

0:12:360:12:40

and then any other experts could work around that.

0:12:400:12:42

She was partially clothed.

0:12:440:12:46

She had on no lower clothing apart from a pair of socks.

0:12:460:12:50

She was face down and her upper clothing,

0:12:500:12:53

although it was on, was all disturbed.

0:12:530:12:57

And when we looked more closely at Moira,

0:12:570:13:00

it was apparent her upper clothing was actually quite badly torn and damaged.

0:13:000:13:04

So as soon as I saw Moira's body in situ, saw the clothing torn off,

0:13:040:13:08

I was pretty convinced it was going to be a sexually motivated murder.

0:13:080:13:12

We couldn't see any obvious injuries

0:13:120:13:14

until we actually got up close to Moira

0:13:140:13:16

and then we could see that there was blood in her hair.

0:13:160:13:19

So it appeared from that point that there was a head injury.

0:13:190:13:23

The pathologist doesn't want to disturb the body

0:13:240:13:26

until all the DNA evidence has been removed.

0:13:260:13:29

So with Moira, we recovered all our samples

0:13:290:13:33

as she lay in situ, face down.

0:13:330:13:35

We then turned her over, putting her into a clean body bag.

0:13:350:13:39

She had sustained really very severe

0:13:420:13:44

and extensive bruising to her face, her neck.

0:13:440:13:49

There was nothing to indicate that any weapon had been used.

0:13:490:13:52

Rather it was the type of bruising that you see

0:13:520:13:54

when someone's been hit with fists, punches or kicks.

0:13:540:13:59

She also had bruising on the backs of her arms and hands.

0:13:590:14:02

Now, bruising in that area is typically sustained

0:14:020:14:06

when someone tries to defend themselves against an assault.

0:14:060:14:09

We call it defensive injuries.

0:14:090:14:10

So that enables us to say that, you know,

0:14:100:14:12

at some point in the attack, she was able to defend herself.

0:14:120:14:15

There was signs of blood on the leaves

0:14:190:14:21

that had been diluted by the rain

0:14:210:14:23

so the pattern of any blood had obviously been altered.

0:14:230:14:26

So although we couldn't rule out she'd been assaulted there,

0:14:260:14:28

we also couldn't say categorically that she had.

0:14:280:14:30

Now, what we didn't want is -

0:14:300:14:33

looking in hindsight three months down the line -

0:14:330:14:35

"Oh, I met Moira, we had sex,

0:14:350:14:37

"I left her in the park and someone else must've killed her."

0:14:370:14:39

That's an easy get-out.

0:14:390:14:40

So we tried to work round about "How do we disprove that?"

0:14:400:14:43

We taped the damage to her clothing in situ.

0:14:440:14:47

We swabbed her exposed parts of skin.

0:14:470:14:50

We also noted white fluid on her pubic hair

0:14:500:14:54

which turned out to be seminal fluid.

0:14:540:14:57

We made a decision very early on that Moira was not to be moved,

0:14:570:14:59

her body was to stay in situ

0:14:590:15:01

and the pathologist removed the semen in situ.

0:15:010:15:06

The semen was deposited in Moira - she never got back up.

0:15:060:15:10

So the presumption is,

0:15:100:15:13

because she was lying horizontally on the ground and had been killed

0:15:130:15:16

and the semen was deposited that way,

0:15:160:15:17

she never got back to her feet again.

0:15:170:15:19

So the person who carried out the indecent act murdered her.

0:15:190:15:22

Carol spent the whole day in the park, collecting evidence.

0:15:220:15:27

Now she had all she needed

0:15:270:15:28

and could secure DNA profiles the next day.

0:15:280:15:31

But crucially,

0:15:320:15:33

she still needed samples from Moira's killer to get a match.

0:15:330:15:37

We knew that she'd left her boyfriend to go home

0:15:450:15:48

and she never made it.

0:15:480:15:49

But we found her car.

0:15:490:15:50

So what happened between Moira parking her car

0:15:500:15:53

and not making her flat?

0:15:530:15:54

Only yards from Moira's flat,

0:15:540:15:56

police picked up a scattered trail of vital evidence.

0:15:560:15:59

She's parked the car,

0:16:010:16:02

she's been walking back to her flat and something's happened here.

0:16:020:16:05

Some struggle has taken place which has disrupted her bag,

0:16:050:16:09

toiletries have fell out.

0:16:090:16:11

So it opens up another area of house-to-house enquiry,

0:16:110:16:15

CCTV enquiry.

0:16:150:16:16

You're constantly growing all the time

0:16:160:16:18

and moving the parameters with fresh information.

0:16:180:16:21

Fresh information did surface near Moira's flat.

0:16:220:16:26

It was harrowing, but vital...

0:16:260:16:28

..and from an unlikely source.

0:16:290:16:31

There's a bus route goes by there,

0:16:330:16:35

so we have to get the CCTV off the buses

0:16:350:16:37

and we did yield information

0:16:370:16:38

of a shape of a large male with a woman.

0:16:380:16:41

It looks like he was grabbing her and taking her across

0:16:410:16:44

at the material time we thought she was taken.

0:16:440:16:46

So we begin to piece the jigsaw together with these finds

0:16:550:16:58

to say, "Parked car there, got attacked there,

0:16:580:17:02

"must have crossed the road, because she's ended in the park,

0:17:020:17:05

"caught on CCTV by a bus passing by there..."

0:17:050:17:08

We go into the park,

0:17:100:17:11

then we realise that a witness had come forward to say,

0:17:110:17:14

"I saw something strange in a big giant holly bush

0:17:140:17:16

"next to the tennis courts. I just wasn't happy with it."

0:17:160:17:19

We do a forensic search of that and we find blouse buttons -

0:17:190:17:21

six blouse buttons, identical to Moira's blouse,

0:17:210:17:25

which had no buttons.

0:17:250:17:26

They'd been tore off. They'd not been cut off,

0:17:280:17:31

because of the way the threads had been ruptured.

0:17:310:17:32

And they look at her blouse and they say

0:17:320:17:34

"There's been real force used here."

0:17:340:17:36

That really helps you to get a picture of what's gone on.

0:17:360:17:39

She had a shoe missing. Where was her shoe?

0:17:410:17:43

How did he get her into the middle of Queen's Park,

0:17:430:17:46

which is a fair distance from where she was taken?

0:17:460:17:48

How did he control that person

0:17:480:17:49

and get her way into the centre of the park into the pitch black?

0:17:490:17:53

She's a slight young woman.

0:17:550:17:57

Somebody's got control of her, stunned her, done something to her

0:17:570:18:01

and then has bodily took her, carried her or dragged her

0:18:010:18:03

all the way into that park.

0:18:030:18:05

It's a powerful-looking person we're looking for.

0:18:060:18:08

Is it somebody that knew her?

0:18:100:18:11

Is it just a freak circumstance - wrong place, wrong time?

0:18:110:18:14

Is it a stalker? An ex-boyfriend?

0:18:140:18:16

Somebody fixated with her? A chance meeting?

0:18:160:18:19

We don't know.

0:18:190:18:20

Sadly, Moira's journey ended in the heart of the park.

0:18:210:18:24

Her killer left her lying there

0:18:250:18:27

and walked in the opposite direction.

0:18:270:18:29

But he left a trail of scattered belongings stolen from Moira

0:18:310:18:35

and police traced his exit route.

0:18:350:18:37

We know the attacker stayed for a bit of time

0:18:390:18:41

because he searched through all her property,

0:18:410:18:44

looked at everything there is, took property off her,

0:18:440:18:46

including Moira's mobile phones.

0:18:460:18:48

Whether they were taken off her to steal it

0:18:510:18:53

or so that she can't call for assistance,

0:18:530:18:55

if they think she's still alive,

0:18:550:18:56

but they took her means of communication away.

0:18:560:18:58

We begin to get a picture of somebody coming in

0:19:000:19:02

one way into a park, murdering Moira

0:19:020:19:05

and then coming back out another direction from the park.

0:19:050:19:07

So your whole enquiry's beginning to move direction

0:19:070:19:10

and you begin to build a timeline picture.

0:19:100:19:13

Who's leaving that park after midnight?

0:19:130:19:16

CCTV cameras on a church opposite the exit

0:19:190:19:21

captured a ghostly image leaving the park

0:19:210:19:24

at 2:17 in the morning.

0:19:240:19:25

Only seconds later, he was picked up from another camera,

0:19:270:19:30

based at a nearby hotel -

0:19:300:19:32

and it showed images of crucial interest to the case.

0:19:320:19:35

One of the images, you saw a large man, well-built,

0:19:380:19:42

he walked kind of casually in a particular way.

0:19:420:19:45

And in the right hand,

0:19:450:19:47

you could see a square, black rectangular object

0:19:470:19:50

and Moira's laptop had been taken from her.

0:19:500:19:53

So we started following a CCTV pattern.

0:19:550:19:57

Where's he going?

0:19:570:19:58

We pick him up again round the corner,

0:19:580:20:02

walking by a bus stop.

0:20:020:20:04

No laptop this time.

0:20:040:20:05

So between the first sighting coming out the park

0:20:050:20:07

and the second sighting a few minutes later,

0:20:070:20:10

he's obviously put the laptop somewhere.

0:20:100:20:12

Plus there's a number of frames on CCTV

0:20:120:20:16

that you see him walking by the bus stop,

0:20:160:20:18

lifting his hand and looking at it and putting it down.

0:20:180:20:21

He's obviously checking his hand. He's hurt himself doing it.

0:20:210:20:23

He's got rid of the laptop, he's stole some stuff, but where's he going?

0:20:230:20:26

We've got an image of somebody we want to find.

0:20:280:20:31

We don't know who it is.

0:20:310:20:32

Moira Jones's murder came during a month

0:20:370:20:40

when there was an abnormally high level of violent crime in Glasgow.

0:20:400:20:43

Police and forensics were stretched to bursting point.

0:20:470:20:50

Then it got even worse.

0:20:510:20:53

Early in the morning,

0:20:550:20:56

two days after Moira Jones was murdered,

0:20:560:20:58

a dramatic 999 call was made.

0:20:580:21:01

OPERATOR: I can't make out what you're saying.

0:21:120:21:14

What's your name, ma'am?

0:21:160:21:17

Marion, what's your surname?

0:21:210:21:23

OPERATOR: What's the problem there? MALE CALLER: Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

0:21:320:21:36

What's the problem? You need to speak to me.

0:21:360:21:38

I've got...I think I've got a dead body here.

0:21:380:21:40

A lane in Glasgow's West End,

0:21:400:21:43

full of restaurants and artisan boutiques,

0:21:430:21:45

became a major crime scene.

0:21:450:21:47

Almost 200 police officers are now involved

0:21:490:21:52

in two separate murder enquiries in Glasgow.

0:21:520:21:55

Moira Jones was found in Queen's Park on Thursday

0:21:550:21:58

and Eleni Pachou was found stabbed to death in a restaurant on Friday.

0:21:580:22:02

25-year-old Eleni, from Athens in Greece,

0:22:030:22:05

came to Glasgow to begin a new life after her mother died.

0:22:050:22:09

She got a job as assistant manageress

0:22:100:22:12

at a popular West End pizzeria.

0:22:120:22:14

Michael Young was one of the first from the forensic team

0:22:160:22:18

to arrive at the murder scene.

0:22:180:22:20

As soon as we went in,

0:22:210:22:22

there was a large stairwell

0:22:220:22:23

which takes you up to the seating area of the restaurant.

0:22:230:22:26

You go into the restaurant - your left,

0:22:260:22:28

that's the restaurant area

0:22:280:22:29

and then a bar, and behind the bar is a staff area.

0:22:290:22:32

Near the safe area was the remains of Eleni.

0:22:320:22:35

She was lying there, a large pool of blood by her side.

0:22:350:22:39

In this case, the girl's clothing was all firmly in place

0:22:390:22:42

and we didn't think at the outset that it was a sexual assault.

0:22:420:22:46

But it was a gruesome sight that met Crime Scene Manager, Sandy McLean.

0:22:480:22:53

A motive had to be established.

0:22:530:22:55

Was it a murder? Was it a robbery gone wrong?

0:22:550:22:58

Was it a murder that was made to look like a robbery?

0:22:580:23:01

It was clear that robbery was involved.

0:23:010:23:04

There were two safes on the premises.

0:23:050:23:07

In the mezzanine area,

0:23:080:23:10

above the location where the body still lay,

0:23:100:23:12

one of them was wide open.

0:23:120:23:14

The other safe wasn't.

0:23:140:23:16

In fact, they'd tried to use that much force to get into that safe

0:23:160:23:18

that they broke the handle on it.

0:23:180:23:20

The downstairs safe was covered in blood smears

0:23:200:23:24

and a possible scenario began to emerge.

0:23:240:23:26

We also noted that because the premises were very small,

0:23:280:23:32

everywhere you went,

0:23:320:23:33

you would be able to see Eleni's body.

0:23:330:23:35

So clearly the perpetrator had killed the girl

0:23:350:23:40

and then gone about raiding the premises

0:23:400:23:42

and stepped over her.

0:23:420:23:44

He'd have looked down on the body from the upstairs safe.

0:23:440:23:48

There was no getting away from the fact that there was a body there

0:23:480:23:51

and he systematically must have worked his way round this body,

0:23:510:23:55

to carry out the robbery.

0:23:550:23:57

The killer wore gloves to hide his prints.

0:23:570:24:00

Smears of blood from gloved hands

0:24:010:24:03

were found on the upstairs banister.

0:24:030:24:05

But he made one serious mistake.

0:24:050:24:08

There were blood spots coming down both sides of the stairs

0:24:090:24:12

and the forensic specialists were able to tell us that most probably,

0:24:120:24:16

the person who'd committed the murder had injured himself.

0:24:160:24:18

The dropped spots of blood finished at the exit to the restaurant.

0:24:180:24:23

They couldn't have been Eleni's blood spots

0:24:230:24:26

because she hadn't left the area.

0:24:260:24:28

The actual scene for Eleni's murder, although it was the restaurant,

0:24:280:24:32

was a much bigger area round the restaurant

0:24:320:24:34

which had to be also classified as a crime scene,

0:24:340:24:37

because whoever murdered Eleni had to get in there

0:24:370:24:39

and back out again.

0:24:390:24:40

The size of the crime scene wasn't as daunting as Queen's Park,

0:24:410:24:45

but the challenge of eliminating hundreds of suspects was.

0:24:450:24:48

It took us about a week to fingerprint that restaurant.

0:24:490:24:51

In particular the stairwell, which was quite a big stairwell.

0:24:510:24:54

So if you can imagine the amount of potential fingerprints

0:24:540:24:57

you may have there, with members of the public coming in,

0:24:570:25:00

members of staff coming in.

0:25:000:25:01

There's no quick way of doing it

0:25:010:25:03

and you could find anything up to 300-400 fingerprints

0:25:030:25:05

and they all have to be recorded or lifted.

0:25:050:25:07

Now that in itself is a challenge because you've got people

0:25:070:25:10

who are obviously in that restaurant for meals,

0:25:100:25:12

you've got people who maybe work in the kitchen,

0:25:120:25:15

so they're innocently, but obviously,

0:25:150:25:17

leaving their fingerprints behind.

0:25:170:25:19

We had to look for that one gem,

0:25:190:25:20

for that one fingerprint that identified the murderer.

0:25:200:25:23

The sheer scale of the elimination process

0:25:230:25:26

was also a massive task for Pauline.

0:25:260:25:28

All of the DNA reference samples

0:25:280:25:30

from anyone who worked at that restaurant

0:25:300:25:33

and who may well be associated with that restaurant

0:25:330:25:35

were analysed for comparison purposes.

0:25:350:25:38

Blood stains around the body and on the banister

0:25:390:25:41

belonged to the victim and the killer.

0:25:410:25:43

But the blood found at the exit particularly interested Pauline.

0:25:460:25:49

The priority was to analyse the dropped spots of blood,

0:25:510:25:55

because it was apparent that this was a single source of blood

0:25:550:25:57

that may relate to the perpetrator.

0:25:570:26:00

So that sample was analysed very quickly.

0:26:000:26:02

Within the week, we had a match with a former colleague of Eleni's.

0:26:040:26:10

Juan Carlos Crispin.

0:26:110:26:13

Spanish-born Crispin was a former employee at the restaurant.

0:26:130:26:16

His identification was a massive breakthrough.

0:26:170:26:20

He was arrested within days.

0:26:220:26:24

But at Queen's Park, the team were still struggling

0:26:250:26:27

for their breakthrough.

0:26:270:26:28

The break came when we extended house-to-house.

0:26:290:26:33

We'd reviewed all the crimes

0:26:330:26:34

and a woman had been attacked some weeks previously.

0:26:340:26:37

Weekday. Late at night.

0:26:370:26:40

Male approached from behind, grabbed her,

0:26:400:26:42

tried to choke her, steal bag.

0:26:420:26:43

It was very similar. Unsolved.

0:26:450:26:47

So we took that enquiry - and it was a sexual crime as well -

0:26:470:26:50

we took that enquiry and we ran it as a parallel crime.

0:26:500:26:54

There might be a stalker round that area

0:26:540:26:55

and we were working on that theory.

0:26:550:26:57

Those seemingly related crimes,

0:26:570:26:59

carried out quite close to each other,

0:26:590:27:01

finally gave the police door-to-door enquiry team a breakthrough.

0:27:010:27:04

An address in Queen's Drive near the east end of the park.

0:27:060:27:10

There was a house there that had been converted to bedsits,

0:27:120:27:15

which wasn't recorded.

0:27:150:27:16

You had a house which you'd look at from outside

0:27:160:27:19

and think it was one house, but it was six bedsits within it.

0:27:190:27:22

And our house-to-house teams went down to the bedsits.

0:27:220:27:25

The door was opened by a young Czech student,

0:27:250:27:28

Lucie Pechtlova.

0:27:280:27:30

The police used their standard questionnaire,

0:27:300:27:32

designed to cover most enquiries.

0:27:320:27:34

You ask the right question, you get the right answer.

0:27:340:27:36

How long have you lived here? Anybody live with you?

0:27:360:27:39

Can you tell me who stays here?

0:27:390:27:40

Has anybody visited you recently? If so, who?

0:27:400:27:43

Did they have a car? Did they come with anybody?

0:27:430:27:45

Did they stay over? Did they stay elsewhere?

0:27:450:27:47

One of the questions, she said, "Yes.

0:27:470:27:50

"A friend stayed for a few days and left. He's away now."

0:27:500:27:53

They said, "When did he stay?"

0:27:530:27:55

And it was a couple of days before Moira was murdered

0:27:550:27:58

and he left the day after.

0:27:580:28:00

Good detectives at the time realised this is important.

0:28:000:28:05

This could be our ghost.

0:28:050:28:07

"Where is he now?" "Away back to Slovakia."

0:28:070:28:10

"What's his description?"

0:28:100:28:11

And then we realised from his description,

0:28:110:28:13

from the CCTV we've got...

0:28:130:28:15

And I went, "This is too good to be true."

0:28:150:28:18

You know what to do - bring her up here right now.

0:28:180:28:20

We need a translator. She could talk English,

0:28:200:28:22

but we need a translator to assist her.

0:28:220:28:24

Very quickly, 30 minutes into it,

0:28:240:28:26

we thought, "We're on to something here."

0:28:260:28:28

This looks really, really good. Slow it down. Take our time.

0:28:280:28:31

The person Lucie was clearly describing

0:28:330:28:35

was Slovakian national, Marek Harcar.

0:28:350:28:38

He's not on record in this country, not on a database in this country,

0:28:400:28:44

no fingerprints in this country.

0:28:440:28:46

So he came into the country earlier and worked in Liverpool

0:28:460:28:48

and he came in as a kind of cleaner and worker

0:28:480:28:52

and he worked a bit in Bolton.

0:28:520:28:53

But he became disaffected with his working life down there

0:28:530:28:56

and thought he'd make a brand-new start in Glasgow

0:28:560:28:58

and he knew Lucie cos she used to work in Liverpool

0:28:580:29:01

when she first came to the country.

0:29:010:29:02

But Lucie had made a life for herself in Glasgow.

0:29:020:29:04

So he came up to stay with her and she knew right away it was a mistake,

0:29:040:29:07

that he's changed, he was drinking heavily,

0:29:070:29:09

aggressive, violent, sexual.

0:29:090:29:12

And she just wanted rid of him.

0:29:120:29:14

And Lucie said for the period of time he stayed with her,

0:29:140:29:16

he never went out at night, ever.

0:29:160:29:19

He drank all the time, watched his DVDs.

0:29:190:29:22

The only one night he went out was the night Moira was killed.

0:29:220:29:25

Harcar had been drinking heavily that night.

0:29:250:29:28

According to Lucie,

0:29:280:29:29

he drank large quantities of vodka and lager...

0:29:290:29:31

..then said he was going to look for a prostitute.

0:29:330:29:36

And he never got back till 3:30 in the morning -

0:29:370:29:39

which puts him smack bang where we want him.

0:29:390:29:41

And what Lucie said was, "He's left half his stuff still in the flat.

0:29:430:29:46

"It's really annoying."

0:29:460:29:49

Including his mattress and things like that.

0:29:490:29:51

So we called up the forensic teams, shut the flat,

0:29:510:29:53

it became another crime scene and we meticulously went through all

0:29:530:29:56

the stuff that he'd left at this flat.

0:29:560:29:58

He'd bought a lot of porn tapes, porn DVDs

0:29:580:30:01

and she'd been away at work all day and he was a friend to her,

0:30:010:30:04

not a sexual friend, although he was trying it on, she was saying.

0:30:040:30:07

But he'd stay in her house and he'd bought all these porn tapes.

0:30:070:30:09

And we think very much meticulously, coldly, forensically in these

0:30:090:30:13

things and when he's got a duvet, he's got porn tapes,

0:30:130:30:15

there's every chance there's forensic material on this duvet.

0:30:150:30:18

So one of the scientists from the laboratory went out to this house

0:30:180:30:22

and recovered sheets and things that this male had used.

0:30:220:30:27

Carol analysed sperm samples lifted from Harcar's duvet and sent

0:30:290:30:32

it off, looking to match semen discovered at the murder scene.

0:30:320:30:36

And I remember the night concerned.

0:30:390:30:41

I was waiting for the match to come through to say absolutely,

0:30:410:30:44

millions to one, that's it, there is no mistakes, that's the person.

0:30:440:30:48

An SIO doesn't rest until you get that phone call.

0:30:480:30:50

And it was a Friday night

0:30:500:30:51

and I was sitting in the house with my wife with a bottle of wine

0:30:510:30:54

and you know they're running the profiles and you're waiting for it

0:30:540:30:57

and you're waiting for it and you're waiting for it, and it was

0:30:570:30:59

Carol Weston I was waiting for the call with, the forensic scientist.

0:30:590:31:03

She said she'd phone me at ten at night and ten o'clock passed.

0:31:030:31:06

And it came to 11 o'clock.

0:31:060:31:07

You're texting back and forward going, "Where's my result?"

0:31:070:31:10

I think I woke him up.

0:31:100:31:12

It was about 12, one in the morning and woke him up

0:31:120:31:16

and said, "Yeah, it matches your man and this is who you're looking for."

0:31:160:31:20

And I'll never forget the feeling of that's it, that's it closed,

0:31:200:31:23

dealt with.

0:31:230:31:25

And I can't say the words that he used but he was very, very pleased.

0:31:250:31:29

And I texted about six or seven people to say

0:31:290:31:32

that's the result out and they were all up waiting for it as well.

0:31:320:31:34

And maybe the public don't get that aspect of it - the humanistic aspect

0:31:340:31:38

of an investigator - surely you're cold and meticulous to deal with it.

0:31:380:31:42

You need to deal with the family empathetically, most definitely.

0:31:420:31:45

You deal with bodies... We talk about bodies

0:31:450:31:48

and murder victims - it's people and lives, don't get me wrong.

0:31:480:31:51

But forensic awareness and forensic recovery is the most

0:31:510:31:54

important thing to say that person should not have died.

0:31:540:31:56

And when you get that result, the euphoria at the end of all

0:31:560:32:00

these long hours and hard hours, to walk into your murder team

0:32:000:32:03

and say "That's it".

0:32:030:32:05

You feel the air change.

0:32:050:32:07

You know, and it's not like back- slapping self-congratulatory,

0:32:070:32:10

it's like it's been worth it, we've got there. And you feel good.

0:32:100:32:13

CCTV already showed Harcar fleeing the country.

0:32:150:32:18

What he didn't know was that forensic scientists now had

0:32:200:32:23

a positive DNA match linking him to Moira's murder.

0:32:230:32:28

But the killer had a two-week lead.

0:32:280:32:30

By now he could be anywhere in Europe.

0:32:300:32:33

In the Eleni Pachou case, forensics started to piece together

0:32:390:32:43

the jigsaw of events that led to the murder.

0:32:430:32:45

Part of a drinking straw had been found in one of her pockets.

0:32:470:32:50

This tested positive by a drugs analyst as cocaine.

0:32:500:32:53

A likely scenario began to emerge.

0:32:540:32:56

The plan was to supposedly supply Eleni with drugs and it

0:32:580:33:01

looked like Juan Carlos Crispin attended that night to do that.

0:33:010:33:05

He then placed drugs on to a meat slicer.

0:33:060:33:10

Eleni was going to snort that.

0:33:100:33:11

He then stabbed her in the back of the neck.

0:33:110:33:14

Just here. One perfect stab wound right through.

0:33:140:33:18

It went down into her throat.

0:33:180:33:19

He then continued stabbing her with a number of actions through

0:33:190:33:23

her face, she had a number of stab wounds in her face and,

0:33:230:33:26

as I say, she went down to the ground very, very quickly

0:33:260:33:28

and then he continued a ferocious attack on her

0:33:280:33:32

which resulted in 17 stab wounds to her abdomen, her neck and her face.

0:33:320:33:36

The evidence gathered. Trial proceedings against Crispin began.

0:33:380:33:43

Then other sensational facts emerged.

0:33:450:33:48

He had an accomplice.

0:33:480:33:50

Marion Hinshelwood used to work with him at the restaurant

0:33:500:33:54

and she made the original 999 call.

0:33:540:33:57

When Marion Hinshelwood dialled 999 after finding Eleni's body

0:33:590:34:03

she was so hysterical that she could hardly tell the operator her name.

0:34:030:34:07

But the cleaner already knew what she'd

0:34:070:34:09

find inside before she opened these shutters.

0:34:090:34:12

Her boyfriend, Juan Crispin, had told her what he'd done

0:34:120:34:15

and she'd supplied him with the knife.

0:34:150:34:17

The investigation team visited Marion Hinshelwood's flat.

0:34:180:34:22

There they found a blood smear on the door entry buzzer

0:34:220:34:26

and spots of blood inside the house.

0:34:260:34:28

Quickly information about the murder weapon emerged.

0:34:300:34:34

The knife was purchased by Marion Hinshelwood

0:34:340:34:36

a number of days before the murder, and during the examination

0:34:360:34:39

of the scene in a pool of blood we found part of a handle of the knife.

0:34:390:34:45

Now it looked as though it was a 10p piece-sized part

0:34:450:34:50

of the knife that would have broken off due to the force being used.

0:34:500:34:54

The control sample that we bought from the shop in which

0:34:540:34:58

Marion Hinshelwood had purchased the knife, it was a substantial

0:34:580:35:01

knife and it would have taken a lot of force, a lot of force,

0:35:010:35:06

to cause that to have broken the way it had.

0:35:060:35:08

So it just gave an indication of the amount of force that was

0:35:080:35:11

used by Crispin when he murdered Eleni.

0:35:110:35:15

Juan Carlos Crispin was already in a relationship with

0:35:160:35:19

Marion Hinshelwood, but when the case went to court

0:35:190:35:23

she turned against him and gave evidence for the prosecution.

0:35:230:35:28

She pleaded guilty to culpable homicide

0:35:280:35:30

but ironically this decision shifted the spotlight on to her.

0:35:300:35:34

The defence lawyer questioned whether this was a crime that fitted

0:35:340:35:38

with a robbery or with someone who'd been jilted by their lover.

0:35:380:35:41

He put it to the jury,

0:35:410:35:43

"Just think about the injuries that this girl suffered.

0:35:430:35:46

"Why would a person who was in this for a robbery need to stab

0:35:460:35:49

"someone 17 times?"

0:35:490:35:51

But what shifted the spotlight back onto Crispin

0:35:510:35:54

was his single big mistake.

0:35:540:35:57

Crispin was so caught up in the ferocity of the attack that he

0:35:590:36:02

cut open his own hand.

0:36:020:36:05

This injury was ultimately his undoing.

0:36:050:36:07

His blood was found all over the inside of the restaurant,

0:36:070:36:10

on the floor, on the banister, on the safe.

0:36:100:36:14

In a murder trial the presence of DNA does not in itself

0:36:140:36:17

guarantee a conviction.

0:36:170:36:19

But, in Crispin's case, forensic evidence against him

0:36:190:36:22

was so overwhelming it gave the prosecution a huge advantage.

0:36:220:36:27

Mr McConnachie said the case against Crispin was circumstantial

0:36:270:36:31

but compared the evidence to a jigsaw, with enough pieces that

0:36:310:36:34

when put together pointed to his guilt.

0:36:340:36:37

I'm sure that we would have eventually arrested him

0:36:370:36:41

in relation to the murder of Eleni.

0:36:410:36:44

However, I think with the forensic work done by Pauline

0:36:440:36:49

and the rest of the team it let us focus on him very, very quickly

0:36:490:36:53

and it did cut down the enquiry by probably a number of weeks.

0:36:530:36:56

Marion Hinshelwood pled guilty to culpable homicide

0:36:580:37:01

and got four and a half years.

0:37:010:37:03

Juan Carlos Crispin was sentenced to a minimum of 22 years in jail.

0:37:030:37:07

The judge, Lord Turnbull, told him, "What you did defies belief.

0:37:080:37:13

"You took her life in a torrent of blows."

0:37:130:37:16

I saw him getting found guilty and I also saw the judge sentencing him.

0:37:160:37:19

I thought justice was done.

0:37:190:37:21

Whether justice was done in relation to Marion Hinshelwood's sentence,

0:37:210:37:24

that's probably debatable.

0:37:240:37:25

Eleni's father had come over from Greece

0:37:270:37:29

and it was good to have it all concluded for his sake.

0:37:290:37:33

She was a young woman, very full of life

0:37:520:37:54

and with a good career ahead of her.

0:37:540:37:56

The whole scenario was just very sad.

0:37:580:38:02

And again you've got to remember this was for money.

0:38:020:38:05

Purely for money.

0:38:050:38:06

There was no other motive for this murder.

0:38:060:38:09

It was almost two months since Moira Jones had been murdered.

0:38:160:38:20

The manhunt for her suspected killer, Slovakian Marek Harcar,

0:38:200:38:25

spread to Eastern Europe as forensic evidence mounted against him.

0:38:250:38:31

So everything was pointing in the right direction.

0:38:310:38:34

We had the DNA matches, we had images,

0:38:340:38:37

so we began to build a profile on Marek Harcar.

0:38:370:38:40

And he did have a record in Slovakia

0:38:400:38:42

but we wouldn't know that at the time.

0:38:420:38:44

So we started to go through international liaison.

0:38:440:38:46

Where is he now? Is he still in Slovakia?

0:38:460:38:48

Has he moved somewhere else? Has he joined another European country?

0:38:480:38:51

Will he do it again?

0:38:510:38:52

It took challenging international negotiations and political skill

0:38:520:38:55

to bring Harcar back once police knew exactly where he was.

0:38:550:38:59

We traced him.

0:38:590:39:01

We did phone analysis, credit card, bank card analysis.

0:39:010:39:04

And we realised he'd flew into the Czech Republic,

0:39:040:39:07

crossed the border, he had spent some time in the north

0:39:070:39:10

of the country and was now back in the south of the country.

0:39:100:39:13

So we knew that and we passed that information on to the Slovaks.

0:39:130:39:16

But we didn't know what they were doing and they never told us

0:39:160:39:19

what they were doing.

0:39:190:39:20

But we just told them "This is a murder suspect.

0:39:200:39:22

"We'll give you the intelligence package the way you want it.

0:39:220:39:25

"We'll confirm why we think it's Marek Harcar."

0:39:250:39:28

Harcar probably felt safe in his home village of Nalepkovo, Slovakia.

0:39:280:39:32

But Strathclyde police were there waiting for him

0:39:330:39:36

with an international arrest warrant.

0:39:360:39:38

As soon as we got that European arrest warrant, that spadework

0:39:380:39:41

that we carried out in advance of it paid dividends

0:39:410:39:44

because as soon as that warrant came through - and this it true -

0:39:440:39:47

our investigators were over there. We said that's the warrant live,

0:39:470:39:51

it came through there and it was about 40 minutes later

0:39:510:39:54

our investigators are leaving the building saying "This'll take days."

0:39:540:39:57

And a guy on a moped pulled up and that's him arrested.

0:39:570:40:00

And they couldn't believe it. They phoned, "That's him arrested."

0:40:000:40:03

I went, "I've only just sent the warrant."

0:40:030:40:05

Harcar was drunk and didn't put up a fight.

0:40:050:40:09

Inside the house he rented from a friend, Strathclyde detectives

0:40:090:40:12

uncovered a mountain of evidence, even on Harcar himself.

0:40:120:40:16

He was arrested wearing the jacket he'd murdered her in

0:40:160:40:20

and inside his jacket there was like blood-staining where he'd

0:40:200:40:22

been battering her to death up his arms.

0:40:220:40:25

So there's forensic recovery from that as well.

0:40:250:40:28

He had kept property stolen from Moira, vital evidence that

0:40:280:40:32

could have vanished under the Slovakian legal system.

0:40:320:40:35

And their prison service allows him to keep the property!

0:40:350:40:38

So we had to do a kind of quick search of his person to get

0:40:380:40:42

evidence off him and deal with it that way.

0:40:420:40:44

And then we have to get him on an aeroplane from Slovakia

0:40:440:40:47

back into Britain securely.

0:40:470:40:49

He landed in Glasgow about seven o'clock in the morning

0:40:490:40:52

and we had to turn around his DNA reference sample, which was

0:40:520:40:56

a swab taken from his mouth, for his court appearance at

0:40:560:40:59

two o'clock in the afternoon, which we did, and that meant we could go to

0:40:590:41:03

court and basically say this semen and the DNA recovered from Moira's

0:41:030:41:07

body matched Marek Harcar and that was enough to keep him in custody.

0:41:070:41:10

Finding the final piece of a scientific jigsaw is one thing

0:41:100:41:15

but explaining the whole complex picture to a jury is challenging.

0:41:150:41:20

For me, I know DNA, I know how to prove it.

0:41:200:41:23

But I'm an investigator.

0:41:230:41:25

How do you prove that to a jury?

0:41:250:41:27

And I know the work Carol carried out with

0:41:270:41:28

the Crown on the prosecution about how to explain the DNA evidence

0:41:280:41:32

was really important because you're talking to a jury and the jury

0:41:320:41:35

must understand...

0:41:350:41:36

How do you say this colloquially, "Do you get this?

0:41:360:41:39

"This is billions to one. It's got to be him."

0:41:390:41:42

You're able to take into consideration certain circumstances

0:41:420:41:46

and actually interpret the profile by splitting the profile apart.

0:41:460:41:52

The pink peaks here are Moira Jones' DNA types

0:41:520:41:57

and the blue peaks here are Marek Harcar's DNA types.

0:41:570:42:01

In the old days of DNA you needed a bucket of blood, you know,

0:42:010:42:04

and it was one in a hundred. To the modern days it's a billion to one.

0:42:040:42:07

DNA is a fabulous, a fabulous investigatory tool.

0:42:070:42:10

Alone it can't prove cases.

0:42:100:42:12

You need other evidence to back up that.

0:42:120:42:15

Fingerprints still remains a fabulous tool.

0:42:150:42:17

You know, CCTV analysis

0:42:170:42:19

and forensic aspects to that remains a fabulous tool.

0:42:190:42:23

Vision is greater than the word.

0:42:280:42:30

If the public sees somebody doing something they go, "You're guilty."

0:42:300:42:34

CCTV played an invaluable role in the case against Harcar.

0:42:340:42:39

The footage revealed his movements and helped recover personal

0:42:390:42:43

belongings stolen from Moira that were of forensic importance.

0:42:430:42:47

But Harcar was pleading not guilty.

0:42:470:42:49

Everything else was beginning to pile up against Marek Harcar.

0:42:520:42:55

DNA evidence, witness statements,

0:42:550:42:57

his conduct before and after fleeing the scene, the buttons

0:42:570:43:00

and the force used and the power of him, his jacket, the blood

0:43:000:43:04

on the inside of it, having a camera belonging to Moira on his person.

0:43:040:43:07

All these things were piling up.

0:43:070:43:09

During the trial, Marek Harcar's arrogance

0:43:090:43:12

and general behaviour astonished police and forensic witnesses.

0:43:120:43:16

He did very little to try and cover up his crime, and while I was

0:43:180:43:21

giving evidence he was laughing, he was speaking through my evidence.

0:43:210:43:26

He sat smirking in the dock.

0:43:260:43:27

There were headphones provided for him to allow proceedings to be

0:43:270:43:30

translated into Slovakian. Sometimes he would throw them off.

0:43:300:43:33

Sometimes he just wouldn't wear them.

0:43:330:43:35

And it had to get to the point where the judge had to ask his solicitor

0:43:350:43:39

to basically get him to be quiet because he was being so disruptive.

0:43:390:43:43

A couple of days were lost in court for a medical reason.

0:43:430:43:46

I can tell you tonight the medical reason was simply this,

0:43:460:43:48

that Marek Harcar was not allowed to smoke in court.

0:43:480:43:51

The graphic crime scene photographs also became an issue with Carmel.

0:43:530:43:58

I kind of felt quite strongly that I didn't think he should see those.

0:43:580:44:01

But I just don't think anyone who commits that sort of crime

0:44:010:44:04

has the right to see what they've done to the person

0:44:040:44:06

because they must have got some satisfaction out of it

0:44:060:44:09

in doing it in the first place and he's obviously a particularly

0:44:090:44:12

violent man and he'd been violent to other women in the past.

0:44:120:44:15

So, I think, you just...you didn't want him to see those photos.

0:44:150:44:20

And more importantly, the judge didn't want Harcar to see

0:44:200:44:24

the photographs, avoiding more torment for Moira's family.

0:44:240:44:27

I knew Moira's family were listening to my evidence and it's...

0:44:270:44:32

..it's hard knowing that they're listening to you explaining

0:44:340:44:38

how their daughter's clothing's been ripped off.

0:44:380:44:41

You're holding up ripped clothing for the jury to see.

0:44:410:44:43

You're talking about someone effectively raping their daughter

0:44:430:44:48

and it's very hard to know that they have to listen to that.

0:44:480:44:53

Yeah, very, very...a lot of pressure on you to do it respectfully.

0:44:530:44:57

You want them to know that although you're doing a job

0:44:570:44:59

and that you're speaking as a scientist, you're empathising

0:44:590:45:03

with them and it's not just clinical and scientific.

0:45:030:45:07

Moira's parents came up, naturally, for it and I spoke to them

0:45:070:45:11

on a number of occasions to break some bad news to them

0:45:110:45:13

regarding Moira's death and what happened to her - you've got

0:45:130:45:16

to be very honest with the parents - right through to we realised we'd

0:45:160:45:19

got a suspect and phoned them to say we've got a suspect.

0:45:190:45:21

And I remember phoning the parents to say we've got him, you know, and

0:45:210:45:25

that's a lovely phone call to make, we've got the person responsible.

0:45:250:45:28

It doesn't bring their daughter back. You never forget that.

0:45:280:45:31

But they wanted some kind of closure.

0:45:310:45:34

Our precious girl had her life stolen from her

0:45:360:45:39

in the most savage way by an evil, depraved monster.

0:45:390:45:45

A monster without the guts to confess

0:45:450:45:49

and who prolonged the agony of the trial.

0:45:490:45:52

I'll never forget watching that after the trial

0:45:520:45:55

and saying, well, that's what it was for,

0:45:550:45:58

to bring some kind of closure, to say "Your daughter shouldn't have

0:45:580:46:00

"died but the person that killed her will never be free to do it again."

0:46:000:46:04

I think one of the lasting impressions is

0:46:040:46:06

I met Moira's parents.

0:46:060:46:09

They set up a charity in Moira's name to help relatives

0:46:090:46:13

of murder victims.

0:46:130:46:16

They wanted to thank us for the work that we did, which...

0:46:160:46:19

..I found unbelievably humbling that they felt the need to do that.

0:46:200:46:25

I just found them incredibly strong people and I just wanted to

0:46:260:46:30

reassure them that at every stage Moira had been treated with respect

0:46:300:46:34

and with dignity and we'd done our absolute best, and also we hoped that

0:46:340:46:39

they could find some sort of peace and some sort of closure from that.

0:46:390:46:43

Moira...

0:46:460:46:47

..darling, darling Moira, we were so proud of you.

0:46:480:46:52

We will always be so proud of you

0:46:520:46:56

and we will do the best we can

0:46:560:46:58

with our lives to make them worthy of you.

0:46:580:47:02

You will live with us for ever.

0:47:040:47:06

Thank you.

0:47:080:47:09

MOTHER: He had 13 previous offences,

0:47:140:47:17

at least four of which were for violence.

0:47:170:47:19

And I thought, someone's made a terrible mistake.

0:47:210:47:24

I don't believe there's anyone in this country who would say

0:47:250:47:31

"Yes, let violent criminals in."

0:47:310:47:35

It's as simple as that.

0:47:350:47:36

I can't think of anyone, whatever political persuasion, who would say,

0:47:370:47:42

"But we're for this, we want these people to be allowed to come in."

0:47:420:47:46

Come on. We've got enough baddies of our own.

0:47:460:47:49

It's as simple as that.

0:47:520:47:53

If this happens again to another family, I said,

0:47:550:47:59

and I meant it, "I think that will finish me off.

0:47:590:48:03

"I don't think I'll be able to go on."

0:48:030:48:05

I still feel that.

0:48:050:48:07

I'd like a law so that this doesn't happen to some other...

0:48:080:48:13

..absolutely blameless, wonderful young lady.

0:48:150:48:18

Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd

0:48:300:48:33

Download Subtitles

SRT

ASS