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But of course, it wasn't a profile that matched Peter Tobin. | 0:00:01 | 0:00:02 | |
This week, the forensic teams investigate the cases | 0:00:03 | 0:00:05 | |
of two young women, | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
brutally murdered in Glasgow in one weekend | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
just a few miles apart. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:11 | |
I believe, in Scotland, we've been able to deliver a unique service. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
To identify suspects is one thing, | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
and then to prove people are guilty of a crime | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
is something completely different. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:32 | |
Although you see a lot of dead people, | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
you treat everyone as an individual and with respect and with humanity. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
Forensic scientists - they are silent witnesses | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
and they are the eyes and ears of law enforcement. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
A young professional woman. A lot to live for. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
Brutally battered to death. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
This is probably one of the most pre-meditated murders | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
I've ever encountered. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
We're into double figures of murders in a month | 0:01:22 | 0:01:24 | |
and everyone is picking up murders and working on murders. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
But first, we return to a previous case. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
I suspected, by the modus operandi with Angelika Kluk, | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
that he'd committed other crimes. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:44 | |
Security officers handle criminals and murderers daily, | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
but they struggled to restrain contempt | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
toward the man facing charges | 0:01:53 | 0:01:54 | |
for the rape and murder of Angelika Kluk | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
in September 2006. | 0:01:57 | 0:01:58 | |
The body of the 23-year-old Polish student | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
had been found wrapped in bin bags and dumped under the floorboards | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
of a Glasgow church. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:07 | |
But as the trial progressed, | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
even more chilling discoveries were made. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
It's the one and only time | 0:02:15 | 0:02:16 | |
when the hairs have actually stood up on the back of my neck | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
when I received a telephone call | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
from the Head of CID in Lothian and Borders Police | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
to tell me that they had just discovered | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
that Peter Tobin was living in Bathgate | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
at the time of Vicky Hamilton's disappearance. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
The missing 15-year-old was last seen in Bathgate town centre. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
When police discovered Tobin's connection to the town, | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
their investigation grew. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
Veteran David Swindle, | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
senior investigating officer on the Kluk case, | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
already had his suspicions. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
At the same time, I set up Operation Anagram, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
because I suspected that Peter Tobin had committed other crimes. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
The conviction for the murder of Angelika Kluk | 0:02:58 | 0:03:03 | |
was a significant milestone to the next stages | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
of finding out what Tobin had done. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:07 | |
Tobin's former home in Bathgate became a crime scene. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
The occupants rehoused to allow a search. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
Serial killers keep trophies. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
In the loft, a dagger was found hidden behind a joist. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
Forensics found a tiny slither of flesh on the blade | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
and Tobin was questioned. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
As I say I've never met her. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:31 | |
You know what I mean? I've never, ever. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
The challenge of matching someone as young as Vicky | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
with the DNA from the flesh on the knife was impossible, | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
even for forensics. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:39 | |
But then a sharp investigator made a major breakthrough. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
Babies born in Scotland from 1962 | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
have a screening test called the Guthrie sample. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
A pin prick of blood is taken from their heel. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
Vicky had had that test and the vital DNA match was made. | 0:03:55 | 0:04:00 | |
It was a fantastic piece of detective work | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
and forensic science and that was a huge breakthrough | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
because then, the police really knew that they were getting close. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
Then another cold case involving a missing person | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
came to the attention of Operation Anagram. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
Dinah McNicol innocently hitched a lift | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
on the way home from a music festival also in 1991. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
Subsequently, an Essex police analyst | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
discovered unusual withdrawals from her bank account in Margate. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
Living there at the time - Peter Tobin. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
That prompted police to issue a search warrant. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
On the 14th of November 2007, | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
the first gruesome discovery was made. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
Brazenly, Tobin had buried Vicky Hamilton's body | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
in his garden at Irvine Drive, Margate. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
It was important that we had proper communication | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
and a single point of contact for forensic issues. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
And the single point of contact for SPSA was Carol Weston. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:06 | |
When Peter Tobin was convicted, | 0:05:08 | 0:05:09 | |
initially, we looked at all his items of property | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
and we obtained some DNA profiles which I held | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
and ultimately loaded onto a database for missing persons | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
which collates all the genetic information | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
about people who are missing. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
Then as the forces started looking into their missing persons, | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
any DNA profiles they had of interest, | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
they could send to me. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:31 | |
Some aspects of the case were familiar | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
to investigators on the Kluk murder. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
So she was wrapped in five bin bags, very much like a Chinese doll | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
and some fantastic work done by fingerprint officers | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
of Lothian and Borders police, who were able to identify | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
from bin bags which had been in the ground for many years | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
four fingerprints which matched that of Peter Tobin. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
Two days later, | 0:05:56 | 0:05:57 | |
the skeleton of Dinah McNicol was uncovered, | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
buried in the same shallow grave. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
Both bodies had to be formally identified through dental records. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
The forensic investigation began | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
and toxicologists made a vital discovery. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
In the cases of Dinah McNicol and Vicky Hamilton, | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
we received samples from which we were able | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
to detect the presence of a drug called amitriptyline. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
Amitriptyline is a central nervous system depressant. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
It's used for depression and for treating neuropathic pain. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
One of the side effects of amitriptyline | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
is its sedative effect. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
Obviously, a decomposing body over that period of time, | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
you'd expect very little of the blood or the tissues left | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
and we're reliant on those blood samples and tissue samples | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
in order to extract the drugs. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:41 | |
However, in both cases, we were able to recover material | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
that hadn't fully decomposed and from that, fortunately, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
we were able to detect the drug amitriptyline in them. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
The forensic team began to re-examine preserved evidence. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:56 | |
Vicky's purse, which had been discarded by Tobin | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
and found in the centre of Edinburgh, | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
had been held for 16 years. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
We knew it was her purse because her bank cards were in it, | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
there was some stuff that had been given by her sister. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
It could all be identified. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
So we knew it was Vicky Hamilton's purse. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
The scientist managed to get the profile from the metal clasp. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
But of course, it wasn't a profile that matched Peter Tobin. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
But Tobin had two sons. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
The younger of the two was staying with his father | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
when Vicky Hamilton disappeared. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
They contacted Peter Tobin's son and got the sample of blood | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
and obtained a profile from it | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
and it matched the profile, the DNA profile, | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
from the metal clasp of Vicky Hamilton's purse. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
And the scientists were able to say that, in their opinion, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
the DNA profile came from saliva | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
and were able to say that that was consistent | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
with Vicky Hamilton's purse having been given to the wee boy | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
and he'd put it in his mouth, as youngsters sometimes do. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
Tobin's fate had been sealed | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
and forensic staff began preparations | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
for his second and third murder trials. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
The multi-media unit created graphics | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
to show the positions of the two bodies | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
buried in Tobin's garden | 0:08:13 | 0:08:14 | |
and also to sanitise grisly images for the jury. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
At Vicky Hamilton's trial, | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
the DNA linked to her purse, | 0:08:21 | 0:08:23 | |
the breakthrough with the Guthrie sample | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
and fingerprints on the body wrapping | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
resulted in a second guilty verdict. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
Tonight, Peter Tobin is beginning a life sentence. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
He'll serve at least 30 years. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
It's very likely Peter Tobin will die in jail. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
The third guilty verdict was even more significant. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
It's very easy for people to speculate | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
and say that Tobin has done 20 murders, 40 murders, 100 murders. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
We know he's done three. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
He's a serial killer. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
Queen's Park, on the south side of Glasgow, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
is popular with the local community. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
Early that summer morning, | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
news began to spread | 0:09:24 | 0:09:25 | |
that a local woman had been found brutally murdered. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
I was told there was a body been found in the park. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
At that point, I don't think they were sure | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
if it was male or female. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
They just knew there was a body and that the body was partially clothed. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
It was an absolutely brutal murder. A very sad case. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
A young professional woman. A lot to live for. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
Just going home after a night out with her partner. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
Brutally battered to death. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
A massive investigation immediately swung into action. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
The man in charge was Derek Robertson. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
The initial aspects are we must lock down the crime scene - | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
preserve all the evidence we can. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
So I had to make sure we had relied and trusted people in Queen's Park | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
to guard the body and preserve any evidence that was there. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
And lock down any witnesses in the vicinity. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
And look for potential suspects | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
that could still be in the area. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:19 | |
The crime scene at Queen's Park was 148 acres - | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
one of the biggest ever in Scotland. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
But Derek Robertson was used to large-scale police investigations. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
My policy decisions were shut the park gates. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:39 | |
If anybody's in the park, record their details | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
and make sure there's nothing suspicious about them. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
The perimeter of the park, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:45 | |
I want all car registration numbers taken. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
I want a crime scene manager | 0:10:47 | 0:10:48 | |
who is a specialist-trained CID officer at the locus, | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
right where the body is, | 0:10:52 | 0:10:53 | |
to set parameters on guarding the body, | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
barrier tapes, sufficient number of officers to guard it, | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
photographers, forensic support... | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
It's like getting the specialists moving. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
So we went in the first cordon, | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
walked along this path towards a grassy area. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
One side of the grassy area, there was a small privet hedge | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
and Moira's body was actually behind the hedge. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
So it wasn't apparent until you got close to the body | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
and looked over the hedge | 0:11:17 | 0:11:18 | |
that you could see her lying there, and she was lying face down. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
Our first job would be to photograph that, video it. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
It was fairly new at that time, | 0:11:24 | 0:11:25 | |
to do the 360 panoramas of the scene. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
Working outside is challenging enough for forensics | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
without unwanted attention from the media | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
who even chartered helicopters. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
A tent was erected to hide the body | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
and protect evidence from prying eyes and telescopic lenses, | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
allowing forensics to do their work. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
Before we actually go anywhere near the body, | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
the first thing you want to do is to recover any evidence | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
away from the body. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:53 | |
Ideally, you want to establish | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
how the person has approached the body and left the body, | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
because they're going to have left some sort of trace. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
We didn't know if Moira had been dragged through the hedge | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
or thrown over the hedge. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:04 | |
We didn't know if the person had gone into the hedged area. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
So the first thing we did was to search the hedge thoroughly. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
Because the vegetation's quite jaggy and rough, | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
there's a chance people would catch their clothing on it, | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
catch their hair on it, even cut themselves. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
So we wanted to recover any trace evidence first | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
before it was disturbed. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:22 | |
Because it was a recent body | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
that hadn't been outside for very long, | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
I felt very strongly there would be a real high expectation | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
of recovering DNA at least - foreign DNA - from the body. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
So I wanted to make sure that we recovered what we could first | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
and then any other experts could work around that. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
She was partially clothed. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
She had on no lower clothing apart from a pair of socks. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
She was face down and her upper clothing, | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
although it was on, was all disturbed. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
And when we looked more closely at Moira, | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
it was apparent her upper clothing was actually quite badly torn and damaged. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
So as soon as I saw Moira's body in situ, saw the clothing torn off, | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
I was pretty convinced it was going to be a sexually motivated murder. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
We couldn't see any obvious injuries | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
until we actually got up close to Moira | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
and then we could see that there was blood in her hair. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
So it appeared from that point that there was a head injury. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
The pathologist doesn't want to disturb the body | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
until all the DNA evidence has been removed. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
So with Moira, we recovered all our samples | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
as she lay in situ, face down. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
We then turned her over, putting her into a clean body bag. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
She had sustained really very severe | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
and extensive bruising to her face, her neck. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:49 | |
There was nothing to indicate that any weapon had been used. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
Rather it was the type of bruising that you see | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
when someone's been hit with fists, punches or kicks. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:59 | |
She also had bruising on the backs of her arms and hands. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
Now, bruising in that area is typically sustained | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
when someone tries to defend themselves against an assault. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
We call it defensive injuries. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:10 | |
So that enables us to say that, you know, | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
at some point in the attack, she was able to defend herself. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
There was signs of blood on the leaves | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
that had been diluted by the rain | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
so the pattern of any blood had obviously been altered. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
So although we couldn't rule out she'd been assaulted there, | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
we also couldn't say categorically that she had. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
Now, what we didn't want is - | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
looking in hindsight three months down the line - | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
"Oh, I met Moira, we had sex, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
"I left her in the park and someone else must've killed her." | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
That's an easy get-out. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:40 | |
So we tried to work round about "How do we disprove that?" | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
We taped the damage to her clothing in situ. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
We swabbed her exposed parts of skin. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
We also noted white fluid on her pubic hair | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
which turned out to be seminal fluid. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
We made a decision very early on that Moira was not to be moved, | 0:14:57 | 0:14:59 | |
her body was to stay in situ | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
and the pathologist removed the semen in situ. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:06 | |
The semen was deposited in Moira - she never got back up. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
So the presumption is, | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
because she was lying horizontally on the ground and had been killed | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
and the semen was deposited that way, | 0:15:16 | 0:15:17 | |
she never got back to her feet again. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
So the person who carried out the indecent act murdered her. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
Carol spent the whole day in the park, collecting evidence. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:27 | |
Now she had all she needed | 0:15:27 | 0:15:28 | |
and could secure DNA profiles the next day. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
But crucially, | 0:15:32 | 0:15:33 | |
she still needed samples from Moira's killer to get a match. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
We knew that she'd left her boyfriend to go home | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
and she never made it. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:49 | |
But we found her car. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:50 | |
So what happened between Moira parking her car | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
and not making her flat? | 0:15:53 | 0:15:54 | |
Only yards from Moira's flat, | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
police picked up a scattered trail of vital evidence. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
She's parked the car, | 0:16:01 | 0:16:02 | |
she's been walking back to her flat and something's happened here. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
Some struggle has taken place which has disrupted her bag, | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
toiletries have fell out. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
So it opens up another area of house-to-house enquiry, | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
CCTV enquiry. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:16 | |
You're constantly growing all the time | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
and moving the parameters with fresh information. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
Fresh information did surface near Moira's flat. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
It was harrowing, but vital... | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
..and from an unlikely source. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
There's a bus route goes by there, | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
so we have to get the CCTV off the buses | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
and we did yield information | 0:16:37 | 0:16:38 | |
of a shape of a large male with a woman. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
It looks like he was grabbing her and taking her across | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
at the material time we thought she was taken. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
So we begin to piece the jigsaw together with these finds | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
to say, "Parked car there, got attacked there, | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
"must have crossed the road, because she's ended in the park, | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
"caught on CCTV by a bus passing by there..." | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
We go into the park, | 0:17:10 | 0:17:11 | |
then we realise that a witness had come forward to say, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
"I saw something strange in a big giant holly bush | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
"next to the tennis courts. I just wasn't happy with it." | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
We do a forensic search of that and we find blouse buttons - | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
six blouse buttons, identical to Moira's blouse, | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
which had no buttons. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:26 | |
They'd been tore off. They'd not been cut off, | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
because of the way the threads had been ruptured. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:32 | |
And they look at her blouse and they say | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
"There's been real force used here." | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
That really helps you to get a picture of what's gone on. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
She had a shoe missing. Where was her shoe? | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
How did he get her into the middle of Queen's Park, | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
which is a fair distance from where she was taken? | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
How did he control that person | 0:17:48 | 0:17:49 | |
and get her way into the centre of the park into the pitch black? | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
She's a slight young woman. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
Somebody's got control of her, stunned her, done something to her | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
and then has bodily took her, carried her or dragged her | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
all the way into that park. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
It's a powerful-looking person we're looking for. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
Is it somebody that knew her? | 0:18:10 | 0:18:11 | |
Is it just a freak circumstance - wrong place, wrong time? | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
Is it a stalker? An ex-boyfriend? | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
Somebody fixated with her? A chance meeting? | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
We don't know. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:20 | |
Sadly, Moira's journey ended in the heart of the park. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
Her killer left her lying there | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
and walked in the opposite direction. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
But he left a trail of scattered belongings stolen from Moira | 0:18:31 | 0:18:35 | |
and police traced his exit route. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:37 | |
We know the attacker stayed for a bit of time | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
because he searched through all her property, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
looked at everything there is, took property off her, | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
including Moira's mobile phones. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
Whether they were taken off her to steal it | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
or so that she can't call for assistance, | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
if they think she's still alive, | 0:18:55 | 0:18:56 | |
but they took her means of communication away. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
We begin to get a picture of somebody coming in | 0:19:00 | 0:19:02 | |
one way into a park, murdering Moira | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
and then coming back out another direction from the park. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
So your whole enquiry's beginning to move direction | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
and you begin to build a timeline picture. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
Who's leaving that park after midnight? | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
CCTV cameras on a church opposite the exit | 0:19:19 | 0:19:21 | |
captured a ghostly image leaving the park | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
at 2:17 in the morning. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:25 | |
Only seconds later, he was picked up from another camera, | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
based at a nearby hotel - | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
and it showed images of crucial interest to the case. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
One of the images, you saw a large man, well-built, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:42 | |
he walked kind of casually in a particular way. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
And in the right hand, | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
you could see a square, black rectangular object | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
and Moira's laptop had been taken from her. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
So we started following a CCTV pattern. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
Where's he going? | 0:19:57 | 0:19:58 | |
We pick him up again round the corner, | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
walking by a bus stop. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
No laptop this time. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:05 | |
So between the first sighting coming out the park | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
and the second sighting a few minutes later, | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
he's obviously put the laptop somewhere. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
Plus there's a number of frames on CCTV | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
that you see him walking by the bus stop, | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
lifting his hand and looking at it and putting it down. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
He's obviously checking his hand. He's hurt himself doing it. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:23 | |
He's got rid of the laptop, he's stole some stuff, but where's he going? | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
We've got an image of somebody we want to find. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
We don't know who it is. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:32 | |
Moira Jones's murder came during a month | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
when there was an abnormally high level of violent crime in Glasgow. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
Police and forensics were stretched to bursting point. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
Then it got even worse. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:53 | |
Early in the morning, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:56 | |
two days after Moira Jones was murdered, | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
a dramatic 999 call was made. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
OPERATOR: I can't make out what you're saying. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
What's your name, ma'am? | 0:21:16 | 0:21:17 | |
Marion, what's your surname? | 0:21:21 | 0:21:23 | |
OPERATOR: What's the problem there? MALE CALLER: Oh, my God. Oh, my God. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
What's the problem? You need to speak to me. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
I've got...I think I've got a dead body here. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
A lane in Glasgow's West End, | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
full of restaurants and artisan boutiques, | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
became a major crime scene. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
Almost 200 police officers are now involved | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
in two separate murder enquiries in Glasgow. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
Moira Jones was found in Queen's Park on Thursday | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
and Eleni Pachou was found stabbed to death in a restaurant on Friday. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
25-year-old Eleni, from Athens in Greece, | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
came to Glasgow to begin a new life after her mother died. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:09 | |
She got a job as assistant manageress | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
at a popular West End pizzeria. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:14 | |
Michael Young was one of the first from the forensic team | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
to arrive at the murder scene. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
As soon as we went in, | 0:22:21 | 0:22:22 | |
there was a large stairwell | 0:22:22 | 0:22:23 | |
which takes you up to the seating area of the restaurant. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
You go into the restaurant - your left, | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
that's the restaurant area | 0:22:28 | 0:22:29 | |
and then a bar, and behind the bar is a staff area. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
Near the safe area was the remains of Eleni. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
She was lying there, a large pool of blood by her side. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
In this case, the girl's clothing was all firmly in place | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
and we didn't think at the outset that it was a sexual assault. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
But it was a gruesome sight that met Crime Scene Manager, Sandy McLean. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:53 | |
A motive had to be established. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
Was it a murder? Was it a robbery gone wrong? | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
Was it a murder that was made to look like a robbery? | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
It was clear that robbery was involved. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
There were two safes on the premises. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
In the mezzanine area, | 0:23:08 | 0:23:10 | |
above the location where the body still lay, | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
one of them was wide open. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
The other safe wasn't. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
In fact, they'd tried to use that much force to get into that safe | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
that they broke the handle on it. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:20 | |
The downstairs safe was covered in blood smears | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
and a possible scenario began to emerge. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
We also noted that because the premises were very small, | 0:23:28 | 0:23:32 | |
everywhere you went, | 0:23:32 | 0:23:33 | |
you would be able to see Eleni's body. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
So clearly the perpetrator had killed the girl | 0:23:35 | 0:23:40 | |
and then gone about raiding the premises | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
and stepped over her. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
He'd have looked down on the body from the upstairs safe. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:48 | |
There was no getting away from the fact that there was a body there | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
and he systematically must have worked his way round this body, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
to carry out the robbery. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
The killer wore gloves to hide his prints. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
Smears of blood from gloved hands | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
were found on the upstairs banister. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:05 | |
But he made one serious mistake. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
There were blood spots coming down both sides of the stairs | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
and the forensic specialists were able to tell us that most probably, | 0:24:12 | 0:24:16 | |
the person who'd committed the murder had injured himself. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:18 | |
The dropped spots of blood finished at the exit to the restaurant. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:23 | |
They couldn't have been Eleni's blood spots | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
because she hadn't left the area. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
The actual scene for Eleni's murder, although it was the restaurant, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
was a much bigger area round the restaurant | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
which had to be also classified as a crime scene, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
because whoever murdered Eleni had to get in there | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
and back out again. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:40 | |
The size of the crime scene wasn't as daunting as Queen's Park, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
but the challenge of eliminating hundreds of suspects was. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
It took us about a week to fingerprint that restaurant. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
In particular the stairwell, which was quite a big stairwell. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
So if you can imagine the amount of potential fingerprints | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
you may have there, with members of the public coming in, | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
members of staff coming in. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:01 | |
There's no quick way of doing it | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
and you could find anything up to 300-400 fingerprints | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
and they all have to be recorded or lifted. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
Now that in itself is a challenge because you've got people | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
who are obviously in that restaurant for meals, | 0:25:10 | 0:25:12 | |
you've got people who maybe work in the kitchen, | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
so they're innocently, but obviously, | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
leaving their fingerprints behind. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
We had to look for that one gem, | 0:25:19 | 0:25:20 | |
for that one fingerprint that identified the murderer. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
The sheer scale of the elimination process | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
was also a massive task for Pauline. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
All of the DNA reference samples | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
from anyone who worked at that restaurant | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
and who may well be associated with that restaurant | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
were analysed for comparison purposes. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
Blood stains around the body and on the banister | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
belonged to the victim and the killer. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
But the blood found at the exit particularly interested Pauline. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
The priority was to analyse the dropped spots of blood, | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
because it was apparent that this was a single source of blood | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
that may relate to the perpetrator. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
So that sample was analysed very quickly. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
Within the week, we had a match with a former colleague of Eleni's. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:10 | |
Juan Carlos Crispin. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
Spanish-born Crispin was a former employee at the restaurant. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
His identification was a massive breakthrough. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
He was arrested within days. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
But at Queen's Park, the team were still struggling | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
for their breakthrough. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:28 | |
The break came when we extended house-to-house. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
We'd reviewed all the crimes | 0:26:33 | 0:26:34 | |
and a woman had been attacked some weeks previously. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
Weekday. Late at night. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
Male approached from behind, grabbed her, | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
tried to choke her, steal bag. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:43 | |
It was very similar. Unsolved. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
So we took that enquiry - and it was a sexual crime as well - | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
we took that enquiry and we ran it as a parallel crime. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
There might be a stalker round that area | 0:26:54 | 0:26:55 | |
and we were working on that theory. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
Those seemingly related crimes, | 0:26:57 | 0:26:59 | |
carried out quite close to each other, | 0:26:59 | 0:27:01 | |
finally gave the police door-to-door enquiry team a breakthrough. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
An address in Queen's Drive near the east end of the park. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
There was a house there that had been converted to bedsits, | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
which wasn't recorded. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:16 | |
You had a house which you'd look at from outside | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
and think it was one house, but it was six bedsits within it. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
And our house-to-house teams went down to the bedsits. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
The door was opened by a young Czech student, | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
Lucie Pechtlova. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:30 | |
The police used their standard questionnaire, | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
designed to cover most enquiries. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
You ask the right question, you get the right answer. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
How long have you lived here? Anybody live with you? | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
Can you tell me who stays here? | 0:27:39 | 0:27:40 | |
Has anybody visited you recently? If so, who? | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
Did they have a car? Did they come with anybody? | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
Did they stay over? Did they stay elsewhere? | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
One of the questions, she said, "Yes. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
"A friend stayed for a few days and left. He's away now." | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
They said, "When did he stay?" | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
And it was a couple of days before Moira was murdered | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
and he left the day after. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
Good detectives at the time realised this is important. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:05 | |
This could be our ghost. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:07 | |
"Where is he now?" "Away back to Slovakia." | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
"What's his description?" | 0:28:10 | 0:28:11 | |
And then we realised from his description, | 0:28:11 | 0:28:13 | |
from the CCTV we've got... | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
And I went, "This is too good to be true." | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
You know what to do - bring her up here right now. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
We need a translator. She could talk English, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
but we need a translator to assist her. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:24 | |
Very quickly, 30 minutes into it, | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
we thought, "We're on to something here." | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
This looks really, really good. Slow it down. Take our time. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
The person Lucie was clearly describing | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
was Slovakian national, Marek Harcar. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
He's not on record in this country, not on a database in this country, | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
no fingerprints in this country. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
So he came into the country earlier and worked in Liverpool | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
and he came in as a kind of cleaner and worker | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
and he worked a bit in Bolton. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:53 | |
But he became disaffected with his working life down there | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
and thought he'd make a brand-new start in Glasgow | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
and he knew Lucie cos she used to work in Liverpool | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
when she first came to the country. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:02 | |
But Lucie had made a life for herself in Glasgow. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
So he came up to stay with her and she knew right away it was a mistake, | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
that he's changed, he was drinking heavily, | 0:29:07 | 0:29:09 | |
aggressive, violent, sexual. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
And she just wanted rid of him. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:14 | |
And Lucie said for the period of time he stayed with her, | 0:29:14 | 0:29:16 | |
he never went out at night, ever. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
He drank all the time, watched his DVDs. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
The only one night he went out was the night Moira was killed. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
Harcar had been drinking heavily that night. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
According to Lucie, | 0:29:28 | 0:29:29 | |
he drank large quantities of vodka and lager... | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
..then said he was going to look for a prostitute. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
And he never got back till 3:30 in the morning - | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 | |
which puts him smack bang where we want him. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
And what Lucie said was, "He's left half his stuff still in the flat. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
"It's really annoying." | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
Including his mattress and things like that. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
So we called up the forensic teams, shut the flat, | 0:29:51 | 0:29:53 | |
it became another crime scene and we meticulously went through all | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
the stuff that he'd left at this flat. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
He'd bought a lot of porn tapes, porn DVDs | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
and she'd been away at work all day and he was a friend to her, | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
not a sexual friend, although he was trying it on, she was saying. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
But he'd stay in her house and he'd bought all these porn tapes. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:09 | |
And we think very much meticulously, coldly, forensically in these | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
things and when he's got a duvet, he's got porn tapes, | 0:30:13 | 0:30:15 | |
there's every chance there's forensic material on this duvet. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
So one of the scientists from the laboratory went out to this house | 0:30:18 | 0:30:22 | |
and recovered sheets and things that this male had used. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:27 | |
Carol analysed sperm samples lifted from Harcar's duvet and sent | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
it off, looking to match semen discovered at the murder scene. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
And I remember the night concerned. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:41 | |
I was waiting for the match to come through to say absolutely, | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
millions to one, that's it, there is no mistakes, that's the person. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
An SIO doesn't rest until you get that phone call. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
And it was a Friday night | 0:30:50 | 0:30:51 | |
and I was sitting in the house with my wife with a bottle of wine | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
and you know they're running the profiles and you're waiting for it | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
and you're waiting for it and you're waiting for it, and it was | 0:30:57 | 0:30:59 | |
Carol Weston I was waiting for the call with, the forensic scientist. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
She said she'd phone me at ten at night and ten o'clock passed. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
And it came to 11 o'clock. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:07 | |
You're texting back and forward going, "Where's my result?" | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
I think I woke him up. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:12 | |
It was about 12, one in the morning and woke him up | 0:31:12 | 0:31:16 | |
and said, "Yeah, it matches your man and this is who you're looking for." | 0:31:16 | 0:31:20 | |
And I'll never forget the feeling of that's it, that's it closed, | 0:31:20 | 0:31:23 | |
dealt with. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:25 | |
And I can't say the words that he used but he was very, very pleased. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:29 | |
And I texted about six or seven people to say | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
that's the result out and they were all up waiting for it as well. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:34 | |
And maybe the public don't get that aspect of it - the humanistic aspect | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
of an investigator - surely you're cold and meticulous to deal with it. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:42 | |
You need to deal with the family empathetically, most definitely. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
You deal with bodies... We talk about bodies | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
and murder victims - it's people and lives, don't get me wrong. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
But forensic awareness and forensic recovery is the most | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
important thing to say that person should not have died. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:56 | |
And when you get that result, the euphoria at the end of all | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
these long hours and hard hours, to walk into your murder team | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
and say "That's it". | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
You feel the air change. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
You know, and it's not like back- slapping self-congratulatory, | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
it's like it's been worth it, we've got there. And you feel good. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
CCTV already showed Harcar fleeing the country. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
What he didn't know was that forensic scientists now had | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
a positive DNA match linking him to Moira's murder. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:28 | |
But the killer had a two-week lead. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
By now he could be anywhere in Europe. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
In the Eleni Pachou case, forensics started to piece together | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
the jigsaw of events that led to the murder. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:45 | |
Part of a drinking straw had been found in one of her pockets. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
This tested positive by a drugs analyst as cocaine. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
A likely scenario began to emerge. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
The plan was to supposedly supply Eleni with drugs and it | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
looked like Juan Carlos Crispin attended that night to do that. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:05 | |
He then placed drugs on to a meat slicer. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
Eleni was going to snort that. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:11 | |
He then stabbed her in the back of the neck. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
Just here. One perfect stab wound right through. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
It went down into her throat. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:19 | |
He then continued stabbing her with a number of actions through | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
her face, she had a number of stab wounds in her face and, | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
as I say, she went down to the ground very, very quickly | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
and then he continued a ferocious attack on her | 0:33:28 | 0:33:32 | |
which resulted in 17 stab wounds to her abdomen, her neck and her face. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:36 | |
The evidence gathered. Trial proceedings against Crispin began. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:43 | |
Then other sensational facts emerged. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
He had an accomplice. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:50 | |
Marion Hinshelwood used to work with him at the restaurant | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
and she made the original 999 call. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
When Marion Hinshelwood dialled 999 after finding Eleni's body | 0:33:59 | 0:34:03 | |
she was so hysterical that she could hardly tell the operator her name. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:07 | |
But the cleaner already knew what she'd | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
find inside before she opened these shutters. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
Her boyfriend, Juan Crispin, had told her what he'd done | 0:34:12 | 0:34:15 | |
and she'd supplied him with the knife. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
The investigation team visited Marion Hinshelwood's flat. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:22 | |
There they found a blood smear on the door entry buzzer | 0:34:22 | 0:34:26 | |
and spots of blood inside the house. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
Quickly information about the murder weapon emerged. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
The knife was purchased by Marion Hinshelwood | 0:34:34 | 0:34:36 | |
a number of days before the murder, and during the examination | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
of the scene in a pool of blood we found part of a handle of the knife. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:45 | |
Now it looked as though it was a 10p piece-sized part | 0:34:45 | 0:34:50 | |
of the knife that would have broken off due to the force being used. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:54 | |
The control sample that we bought from the shop in which | 0:34:54 | 0:34:58 | |
Marion Hinshelwood had purchased the knife, it was a substantial | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
knife and it would have taken a lot of force, a lot of force, | 0:35:01 | 0:35:06 | |
to cause that to have broken the way it had. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
So it just gave an indication of the amount of force that was | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
used by Crispin when he murdered Eleni. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:15 | |
Juan Carlos Crispin was already in a relationship with | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
Marion Hinshelwood, but when the case went to court | 0:35:19 | 0:35:23 | |
she turned against him and gave evidence for the prosecution. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:28 | |
She pleaded guilty to culpable homicide | 0:35:28 | 0:35:30 | |
but ironically this decision shifted the spotlight on to her. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:34 | |
The defence lawyer questioned whether this was a crime that fitted | 0:35:34 | 0:35:38 | |
with a robbery or with someone who'd been jilted by their lover. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
He put it to the jury, | 0:35:41 | 0:35:43 | |
"Just think about the injuries that this girl suffered. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
"Why would a person who was in this for a robbery need to stab | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
"someone 17 times?" | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
But what shifted the spotlight back onto Crispin | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
was his single big mistake. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
Crispin was so caught up in the ferocity of the attack that he | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
cut open his own hand. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
This injury was ultimately his undoing. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
His blood was found all over the inside of the restaurant, | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
on the floor, on the banister, on the safe. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:14 | |
In a murder trial the presence of DNA does not in itself | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
guarantee a conviction. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:19 | |
But, in Crispin's case, forensic evidence against him | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
was so overwhelming it gave the prosecution a huge advantage. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:27 | |
Mr McConnachie said the case against Crispin was circumstantial | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
but compared the evidence to a jigsaw, with enough pieces that | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
when put together pointed to his guilt. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
I'm sure that we would have eventually arrested him | 0:36:37 | 0:36:41 | |
in relation to the murder of Eleni. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
However, I think with the forensic work done by Pauline | 0:36:44 | 0:36:49 | |
and the rest of the team it let us focus on him very, very quickly | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
and it did cut down the enquiry by probably a number of weeks. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
Marion Hinshelwood pled guilty to culpable homicide | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
and got four and a half years. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:03 | |
Juan Carlos Crispin was sentenced to a minimum of 22 years in jail. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:07 | |
The judge, Lord Turnbull, told him, "What you did defies belief. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:13 | |
"You took her life in a torrent of blows." | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
I saw him getting found guilty and I also saw the judge sentencing him. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
I thought justice was done. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:21 | |
Whether justice was done in relation to Marion Hinshelwood's sentence, | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
that's probably debatable. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:25 | |
Eleni's father had come over from Greece | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
and it was good to have it all concluded for his sake. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
She was a young woman, very full of life | 0:37:52 | 0:37:54 | |
and with a good career ahead of her. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:56 | |
The whole scenario was just very sad. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
And again you've got to remember this was for money. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
Purely for money. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:06 | |
There was no other motive for this murder. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
It was almost two months since Moira Jones had been murdered. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:20 | |
The manhunt for her suspected killer, Slovakian Marek Harcar, | 0:38:20 | 0:38:25 | |
spread to Eastern Europe as forensic evidence mounted against him. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:31 | |
So everything was pointing in the right direction. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
We had the DNA matches, we had images, | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
so we began to build a profile on Marek Harcar. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
And he did have a record in Slovakia | 0:38:40 | 0:38:42 | |
but we wouldn't know that at the time. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:44 | |
So we started to go through international liaison. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
Where is he now? Is he still in Slovakia? | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
Has he moved somewhere else? Has he joined another European country? | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
Will he do it again? | 0:38:51 | 0:38:52 | |
It took challenging international negotiations and political skill | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
to bring Harcar back once police knew exactly where he was. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:59 | |
We traced him. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
We did phone analysis, credit card, bank card analysis. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
And we realised he'd flew into the Czech Republic, | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
crossed the border, he had spent some time in the north | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
of the country and was now back in the south of the country. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
So we knew that and we passed that information on to the Slovaks. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
But we didn't know what they were doing and they never told us | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
what they were doing. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:20 | |
But we just told them "This is a murder suspect. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:22 | |
"We'll give you the intelligence package the way you want it. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
"We'll confirm why we think it's Marek Harcar." | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
Harcar probably felt safe in his home village of Nalepkovo, Slovakia. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:32 | |
But Strathclyde police were there waiting for him | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
with an international arrest warrant. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:38 | |
As soon as we got that European arrest warrant, that spadework | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
that we carried out in advance of it paid dividends | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
because as soon as that warrant came through - and this it true - | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
our investigators were over there. We said that's the warrant live, | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
it came through there and it was about 40 minutes later | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
our investigators are leaving the building saying "This'll take days." | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
And a guy on a moped pulled up and that's him arrested. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
And they couldn't believe it. They phoned, "That's him arrested." | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
I went, "I've only just sent the warrant." | 0:40:03 | 0:40:05 | |
Harcar was drunk and didn't put up a fight. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:09 | |
Inside the house he rented from a friend, Strathclyde detectives | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
uncovered a mountain of evidence, even on Harcar himself. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:16 | |
He was arrested wearing the jacket he'd murdered her in | 0:40:16 | 0:40:20 | |
and inside his jacket there was like blood-staining where he'd | 0:40:20 | 0:40:22 | |
been battering her to death up his arms. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
So there's forensic recovery from that as well. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
He had kept property stolen from Moira, vital evidence that | 0:40:28 | 0:40:32 | |
could have vanished under the Slovakian legal system. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
And their prison service allows him to keep the property! | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
So we had to do a kind of quick search of his person to get | 0:40:38 | 0:40:42 | |
evidence off him and deal with it that way. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:44 | |
And then we have to get him on an aeroplane from Slovakia | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
back into Britain securely. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:49 | |
He landed in Glasgow about seven o'clock in the morning | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
and we had to turn around his DNA reference sample, which was | 0:40:52 | 0:40:56 | |
a swab taken from his mouth, for his court appearance at | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
two o'clock in the afternoon, which we did, and that meant we could go to | 0:40:59 | 0:41:03 | |
court and basically say this semen and the DNA recovered from Moira's | 0:41:03 | 0:41:07 | |
body matched Marek Harcar and that was enough to keep him in custody. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
Finding the final piece of a scientific jigsaw is one thing | 0:41:10 | 0:41:15 | |
but explaining the whole complex picture to a jury is challenging. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:20 | |
For me, I know DNA, I know how to prove it. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
But I'm an investigator. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
How do you prove that to a jury? | 0:41:25 | 0:41:27 | |
And I know the work Carol carried out with | 0:41:27 | 0:41:28 | |
the Crown on the prosecution about how to explain the DNA evidence | 0:41:28 | 0:41:32 | |
was really important because you're talking to a jury and the jury | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
must understand... | 0:41:35 | 0:41:36 | |
How do you say this colloquially, "Do you get this? | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
"This is billions to one. It's got to be him." | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
You're able to take into consideration certain circumstances | 0:41:42 | 0:41:46 | |
and actually interpret the profile by splitting the profile apart. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:52 | |
The pink peaks here are Moira Jones' DNA types | 0:41:52 | 0:41:57 | |
and the blue peaks here are Marek Harcar's DNA types. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:01 | |
In the old days of DNA you needed a bucket of blood, you know, | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
and it was one in a hundred. To the modern days it's a billion to one. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
DNA is a fabulous, a fabulous investigatory tool. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
Alone it can't prove cases. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
You need other evidence to back up that. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
Fingerprints still remains a fabulous tool. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:17 | |
You know, CCTV analysis | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
and forensic aspects to that remains a fabulous tool. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:23 | |
Vision is greater than the word. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:30 | |
If the public sees somebody doing something they go, "You're guilty." | 0:42:30 | 0:42:34 | |
CCTV played an invaluable role in the case against Harcar. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:39 | |
The footage revealed his movements and helped recover personal | 0:42:39 | 0:42:43 | |
belongings stolen from Moira that were of forensic importance. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:47 | |
But Harcar was pleading not guilty. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
Everything else was beginning to pile up against Marek Harcar. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
DNA evidence, witness statements, | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
his conduct before and after fleeing the scene, the buttons | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
and the force used and the power of him, his jacket, the blood | 0:43:00 | 0:43:04 | |
on the inside of it, having a camera belonging to Moira on his person. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
All these things were piling up. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:09 | |
During the trial, Marek Harcar's arrogance | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
and general behaviour astonished police and forensic witnesses. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:16 | |
He did very little to try and cover up his crime, and while I was | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
giving evidence he was laughing, he was speaking through my evidence. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:26 | |
He sat smirking in the dock. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:27 | |
There were headphones provided for him to allow proceedings to be | 0:43:27 | 0:43:30 | |
translated into Slovakian. Sometimes he would throw them off. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:33 | |
Sometimes he just wouldn't wear them. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:35 | |
And it had to get to the point where the judge had to ask his solicitor | 0:43:35 | 0:43:39 | |
to basically get him to be quiet because he was being so disruptive. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:43 | |
A couple of days were lost in court for a medical reason. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:46 | |
I can tell you tonight the medical reason was simply this, | 0:43:46 | 0:43:48 | |
that Marek Harcar was not allowed to smoke in court. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:51 | |
The graphic crime scene photographs also became an issue with Carmel. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:58 | |
I kind of felt quite strongly that I didn't think he should see those. | 0:43:58 | 0:44:01 | |
But I just don't think anyone who commits that sort of crime | 0:44:01 | 0:44:04 | |
has the right to see what they've done to the person | 0:44:04 | 0:44:06 | |
because they must have got some satisfaction out of it | 0:44:06 | 0:44:09 | |
in doing it in the first place and he's obviously a particularly | 0:44:09 | 0:44:12 | |
violent man and he'd been violent to other women in the past. | 0:44:12 | 0:44:15 | |
So, I think, you just...you didn't want him to see those photos. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:20 | |
And more importantly, the judge didn't want Harcar to see | 0:44:20 | 0:44:24 | |
the photographs, avoiding more torment for Moira's family. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:27 | |
I knew Moira's family were listening to my evidence and it's... | 0:44:27 | 0:44:32 | |
..it's hard knowing that they're listening to you explaining | 0:44:34 | 0:44:38 | |
how their daughter's clothing's been ripped off. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:41 | |
You're holding up ripped clothing for the jury to see. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:43 | |
You're talking about someone effectively raping their daughter | 0:44:43 | 0:44:48 | |
and it's very hard to know that they have to listen to that. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:53 | |
Yeah, very, very...a lot of pressure on you to do it respectfully. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:57 | |
You want them to know that although you're doing a job | 0:44:57 | 0:44:59 | |
and that you're speaking as a scientist, you're empathising | 0:44:59 | 0:45:03 | |
with them and it's not just clinical and scientific. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:07 | |
Moira's parents came up, naturally, for it and I spoke to them | 0:45:07 | 0:45:11 | |
on a number of occasions to break some bad news to them | 0:45:11 | 0:45:13 | |
regarding Moira's death and what happened to her - you've got | 0:45:13 | 0:45:16 | |
to be very honest with the parents - right through to we realised we'd | 0:45:16 | 0:45:19 | |
got a suspect and phoned them to say we've got a suspect. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:21 | |
And I remember phoning the parents to say we've got him, you know, and | 0:45:21 | 0:45:25 | |
that's a lovely phone call to make, we've got the person responsible. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:28 | |
It doesn't bring their daughter back. You never forget that. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:31 | |
But they wanted some kind of closure. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:34 | |
Our precious girl had her life stolen from her | 0:45:36 | 0:45:39 | |
in the most savage way by an evil, depraved monster. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:45 | |
A monster without the guts to confess | 0:45:45 | 0:45:49 | |
and who prolonged the agony of the trial. | 0:45:49 | 0:45:52 | |
I'll never forget watching that after the trial | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
and saying, well, that's what it was for, | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
to bring some kind of closure, to say "Your daughter shouldn't have | 0:45:58 | 0:46:00 | |
"died but the person that killed her will never be free to do it again." | 0:46:00 | 0:46:04 | |
I think one of the lasting impressions is | 0:46:04 | 0:46:06 | |
I met Moira's parents. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:09 | |
They set up a charity in Moira's name to help relatives | 0:46:09 | 0:46:13 | |
of murder victims. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:16 | |
They wanted to thank us for the work that we did, which... | 0:46:16 | 0:46:19 | |
..I found unbelievably humbling that they felt the need to do that. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:25 | |
I just found them incredibly strong people and I just wanted to | 0:46:26 | 0:46:30 | |
reassure them that at every stage Moira had been treated with respect | 0:46:30 | 0:46:34 | |
and with dignity and we'd done our absolute best, and also we hoped that | 0:46:34 | 0:46:39 | |
they could find some sort of peace and some sort of closure from that. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:43 | |
Moira... | 0:46:46 | 0:46:47 | |
..darling, darling Moira, we were so proud of you. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:52 | |
We will always be so proud of you | 0:46:52 | 0:46:56 | |
and we will do the best we can | 0:46:56 | 0:46:58 | |
with our lives to make them worthy of you. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:02 | |
You will live with us for ever. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:06 | |
Thank you. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:09 | |
MOTHER: He had 13 previous offences, | 0:47:14 | 0:47:17 | |
at least four of which were for violence. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:19 | |
And I thought, someone's made a terrible mistake. | 0:47:21 | 0:47:24 | |
I don't believe there's anyone in this country who would say | 0:47:25 | 0:47:31 | |
"Yes, let violent criminals in." | 0:47:31 | 0:47:35 | |
It's as simple as that. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:36 | |
I can't think of anyone, whatever political persuasion, who would say, | 0:47:37 | 0:47:42 | |
"But we're for this, we want these people to be allowed to come in." | 0:47:42 | 0:47:46 | |
Come on. We've got enough baddies of our own. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:49 | |
It's as simple as that. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:53 | |
If this happens again to another family, I said, | 0:47:55 | 0:47:59 | |
and I meant it, "I think that will finish me off. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:03 | |
"I don't think I'll be able to go on." | 0:48:03 | 0:48:05 | |
I still feel that. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:07 | |
I'd like a law so that this doesn't happen to some other... | 0:48:08 | 0:48:13 | |
..absolutely blameless, wonderful young lady. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:18 | |
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