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This programme contains scenes which some viewers may find upsetting. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:08 | |
The murder of Billy Spence, | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
a popular bed and breakfast landlord, | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
shook the local community of Bangor at the height of the holiday season | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
in July 2008. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:37 | |
There are several other guesthouses close to the Tara. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
This is a very popular street for visitors to stay | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
because it's near the marina and the seafront. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
Local residents say they are bewildered by what's happened here. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
I was at home here the day that Billy was murdered. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
I'd heard the radio in the morning | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
saying an incident had happened in Bangor. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
I wasn't sure whereabouts, or who it had happened to. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
I remember we had a friend in hospital and he phoned - | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
waking very early in the hospital, he phoned - | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
and he'd heard on the news that there was a body found at Tara. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
I went out the back to go and see if I could find anything out | 0:01:13 | 0:01:17 | |
but the police had it cordoned off | 0:01:17 | 0:01:18 | |
and you couldn't get near anywhere. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
I said, "We'll ring Billy's number, phone number," because Billy | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
always had his phone with him wherever he was, | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
but there was no reply. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:28 | |
I really had a real sick feeling. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
I thought, "That's not right, Billy would always answer." | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
And then, as the morning progressed, the reporters arrived | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
and then we found out it was Billy. It was very, very sad. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:42 | |
Immediately, I thought to myself, I can't think of anybody who | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
would want to murder anyone, let alone Billy. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
And that was a day that you just would never forget. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:52 | |
Billy owned Tara Guesthouse, I'm sure it's 20 years or more. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:04 | |
And it started as bedsits and he built it up, bit by bit. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
And he worked on it until it's now about 14 rooms, all ensuite. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:14 | |
It was just his pride and his joy and he just loved it. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
At the start, he was cook, cleaner, he did everything, | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
and he was there 24/7, it was sort of his wee life, really. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:27 | |
Everybody loved Billy. He was a great character. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
He was very, very generous, very, very kind, and people loved him. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:44 | |
He was a people person. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
He was someone who loved to have people around him. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
He was a friend to everyone. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
Billy Spence was a man who always saw the best in people. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
His generous nature was widely acknowledged, | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
but, in the end, he paid for it with his life. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
Debbie McMaster was the senior investigating officer on the case. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:19 | |
She arrived at the Tara Guesthouse at 8am on the 1st July 2008 | 0:03:19 | 0:03:23 | |
and proceeded to the crime scene at the rear of the house. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
I immediately noticed that there was an elderly man, which we now know | 0:03:29 | 0:03:34 | |
was Billy, lying in a prone position, surrounded in a pool of blood. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
He was lying beside an ironing board that had been tipped over | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
and that too was covered in blood, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
with footmarks, | 0:03:47 | 0:03:48 | |
bloody footmarks surrounding him. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
There was also a black handle of a knife, without the blade, | 0:03:51 | 0:03:57 | |
a short distance from the body. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
And, looking up to the roof, there was a hole in the Perspex roof. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:04 | |
It had been smashed as though something or someone had fallen through it. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
Beyond that was his private bathroom. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
In the shower there was a pair of jeans that had been soaked. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:19 | |
This obviously was to wash any bloodstain from the jeans. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
I then went into what was Billy's private bedroom | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
and I noticed a lot of articles lying on his bed. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
The CCTV unit that was in his bedroom had been switched off | 0:04:33 | 0:04:38 | |
and there was a broken CD lying on the floor. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
This looked to me like a burglary that perhaps had gone wrong | 0:04:41 | 0:04:46 | |
and then, realising that there was CCTV footage, also an attempt | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
to destroy any evidence that we could possibly obtain through that. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
Despite the unpromising state of the CCTV equipment, | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
it was to prove critical as the investigation progressed. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
Meanwhile, the forensics team was called upon to examine | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
the extensive distribution of blood at the scene of the crime. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
Inside the bathroom itself there were | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
a series of drops of blood on the floor | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
and these had formed passively. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
In other words, they had fallen directly from an open wound | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
directly onto the tiles of the bathroom floor. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
And there were some drops actually on the outer side of the door. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
This would give the impression that someone was actually injured, | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
seriously cut, whilst they were in the bathroom | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
and then they have proceeded out into the laundry room. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
So it might suggest that the initial part of the attack had occurred | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
in the bathroom before Mr Spence had been killed in the laundry room. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:46 | |
It appeared to be a repeated series of stabs | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
both to the head and to the body. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
And because the body was lying on its back, | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
it gave the appearance that these had actually been directed downwards. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
It would appear that Mr Spence didn't offer | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
a great deal of resistance at that stage. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
He hadn't moved about very much on the floor, | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
he hadn't been struggling with his attacker, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
yet he was continuing to be stabbed and wounded about the face and body. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:15 | |
It was obvious that the knife handle which was | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
lying near the feet of the body, the blade had been broken off, | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
and we put a considerable amount of effort into trying to find that knife blade. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
When it came into the laboratory, it was bloodstained. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
The forensics officers hoped the knife would lead them to the killer, | 0:06:29 | 0:06:33 | |
but a pair of training shoes located in the bathroom | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
would also prove to be of vital importance. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
The sole pattern from these shoes | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
appeared to be in the blood beside the body. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
These footmarks had all been made by the same outsole pattern, | 0:06:44 | 0:06:49 | |
in other words all made by the same pair of shoes. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
In fact, you could actually see, in the mark, the word "Lacoste", | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
running the whole length of the mark, from toe to heel. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
There was a fairly good chance that actually these shoes had belonged to the attacker. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:04 | |
And the attacker, realising that he's heavily bloodstained, | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
has taken them off, changed his clothing. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
It was important for us to identify who these shoes could have come from | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
so we swabbed the inners around the tongue and the straps | 0:07:14 | 0:07:19 | |
which were used for fastening the shoes. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
I requested that the footwear be submitted to the laboratory for further examination. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
Police were puzzled by the motivation of a killer | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
who would make a cursory attempt to dispose of evidence, | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
but ultimately leave so many vital clues at the scene of the crime. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
I examined the body of the deceased at Belfast City Mortuary | 0:07:51 | 0:07:56 | |
and observed that he had a bruise on his forehead. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
The bruise comprised the letter C and the letter O. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:05 | |
Finding a bruise like that on the deceased's forehead, | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
which matched the outsoles of a pair of training shoes, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
would indicate in my opinion | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
that someone had kicked, stomped or jumped on his head. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:20 | |
Having seen the level of violence | 0:08:23 | 0:08:24 | |
that had been inflicted on Billy Spence, | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
police were eager to catch the culprit as quickly as possible. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
Our initial investigation led us to a very important witness | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
who happened to see a male person at the front of Tara Guesthouse | 0:08:37 | 0:08:42 | |
somewhere in the region of about 11.20 on that evening. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
He noticed him going round the back of his premises | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
and he goes out and challenges him. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
He says, "What are you at?" | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
This male climbs over the fence | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
and makes off along the back entry of Princetown Road. | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
The neighbour of Billy's, | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
actually having chased this youth away from his property, | 0:09:04 | 0:09:08 | |
goes to bed about 10r 15 minutes later and looks out and actually sees | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
Billy Spence returning home, and he notices him lifting bags from the boot of his car | 0:09:11 | 0:09:17 | |
and entering the rear of his house at 49 Princetown Road. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:22 | |
As it turned out, there was a further witness closer to home. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:27 | |
One of the Billy Spence's own guests had heard activity | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
outside his bedroom window | 0:09:30 | 0:09:31 | |
and looked out to find a hole in the Perspex roof below. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:36 | |
It would seem very likely that the culprit, | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
having seen an open window, | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
had tried to use this entrance to get into the house | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
and in doing so fell through the Perspex roof. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
This particular guest had gone to sleep for a period of time | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
and had been woken some time in the early hours of the morning, | 0:09:53 | 0:09:58 | |
about 3:00am, or thereabouts, by someone opening his bedroom door. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
He noticed that this person was just wearing a pair of boxer shorts | 0:10:04 | 0:10:09 | |
and he thought this very strange. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
The guest asked, "Is there something wrong?" He replied: | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
"Security check. Is everything OK?" | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
This particular guest thinks this is strange | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
and he gets up out of bed and opens the door | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
and sees this young male walking down the hall | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
with just a pair of boxer shorts on and carrying a key, | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
which we believe was probably the master key to the rooms. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
Then he goes back to his room | 0:10:40 | 0:10:41 | |
and tries to settle down again for the night. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
He lies for about 15 or 20 minutes, can't settle, then gets up | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
and puts his dressing gown on | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
and goes downstairs to see what's happening. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
He comes across a young male who he believes is the male | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
that came into his bedroom carrying a bag over his shoulder and dressed | 0:11:00 | 0:11:05 | |
and he confronts him and says, "Where are you going?" | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
And this young male tells him, "I'm going to work." | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
And he leaves the premises. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
What really took place in the house that night would never be fully explained, | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
but internal CCTV footage would prove instrumental | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
in fitting the pieces together. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
The digital recorded in Tara guest house was damaged by the suspect. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:30 | |
But it was only the CD DVD disk drive on the front of the unit | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
that was maybe hit by an object. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:39 | |
But the hard drive disk embedded inside the machine was perfectly intact. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:45 | |
The first thing I noticed on the footage | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
was a male person enter the porch. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
He was wearing a hooded dark top. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
He puts his arm through the letterbox | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
and tries to force the door from the inside, obviously looking for a key. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
He gives up after a while and leaves. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
A short time later, he's picked up inside the hallway of Tara | 0:12:06 | 0:12:11 | |
and then we see, again a short time later, that he's taken his top off | 0:12:11 | 0:12:16 | |
and he's walking round the lower part of the house | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
carrying a knife. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
He came from one hallway | 0:12:21 | 0:12:22 | |
across into the next, comes through the adjoining door | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
and looks up into the second camera, | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
where we get a really good frontal view. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
Once we got a clear picture, I was asked to leave the room | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
because this was then a police controlled piece of evidence. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:40 | |
The next thing we saw on the footage was Mr Spence arriving home | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
at the rear of the house in his car at approximately 11:50pm. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
He opens the boot of the car and retrieves shopping from the boot | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
and brings it in through the back door of the guesthouse. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
About 10 minutes later, shortly before midnight, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
Mr Spence comes up through the house to the front door | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
and appears to lock the outside front door | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
and come back in through the porch door | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
we had earlier seen the youth try to force. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
It's a bit alarming at this stage because we were aware at that stage | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
that this youth was still inside the house when Mr Spence arrived home. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:20 | |
The CCTV system, we know, was turned off at 12:19am. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:26 | |
So we believe, having seen Billy come into the house, | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
that the murder has occurred some time between 12:00am and 12:19am, | 0:13:29 | 0:13:34 | |
when the computer has been turned off. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
The footage was shown to officers at Bangor Police Station | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
in an attempt to identify the youth. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
It proved fruitless | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
and the team had to resort to other means of identification. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
On Thursday the 3rd of July 2008, accompanied by another officer, | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
I went to the Simon Community in Central Avenue in Bangor. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
As part of normal procedure, I would have checked hostels, | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
guesthouses, anywhere near the scene of the murder in close proximity. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
I introduced myself to a member of staff | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
and she informed me that staff were conducting a meeting | 0:14:13 | 0:14:17 | |
with the assistant director of the Simon Community | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
and thought it was important that I come into the meeting. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
The meeting had been called to discuss a resident named James McCoy, | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
whose recent behaviour had worried staff. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
They were quite concerned about Mr McCoy's behaviour, | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
especially over the last few days from the 1st of July. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
-You can't get in. You're drunk. -I'm not drunk. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
Go away and sober up for an hour and then come back. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
'James had been last seen by the night porter shortly after 10:00pm on the evening of the 30th of June. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:49 | |
'He noticed James had been drinking' | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
and wouldn't allow him into the Simon Community because of their no-drink policy. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
He hadn't returned until 8:20am the following morning, | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
on the 1st of July. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:01 | |
When James McCoy returned, | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
he was wearing ill-fitting clothes that clearly didn't belong to him | 0:15:03 | 0:15:08 | |
and was carrying a black holdall which staff had never seen before. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:13 | |
I was then shown CCTV footage, internal CCTV footage, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
recorded inside the Simon Community. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
I got a clear view of James. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
It was obvious that this was the same person we had seen | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
and identified in the Tara Guesthouse | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
on the evening of the 30th of June | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
and the early hours of the 1st of July. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
A short time later, I think it was about 12:15pm, | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
I was made aware by a member of staff that James had returned to the Simon Community. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
He'd come in through the back door. I was standing in the reception area. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
I then approached James, made him aware of my identity | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
and restrained James because I wasn't sure at that stage | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
whether or not he still had the knife in his possession. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
James McCoy, I'm arresting you on suspicion of the murder of William Spence. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:02 | |
Staff immediately entered McCoy's room | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
and seized the articles of clothing, which they thought to be suspect. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
These items were then taken for forensic examination | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
which later established that the items did in fact belong to Mr Spence. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:26 | |
They were obviously taken from Tara Guesthouse. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
James McCoy was interviewed in Bangor Police Station. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
He was interviewed a total of 10 times | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
between the 3rd of July to the 5th of July. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
Throughout his interviews, he told blatant lies | 0:16:39 | 0:16:44 | |
to such an extent | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
that he made stories up that were easily refuted. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
OK, James. Why did you murder William Spence? | 0:16:50 | 0:16:52 | |
I didn't. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
-I didn't. -What was your involvement in the murder of William Spence? | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
No involvement. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
He gave an alibi that he had got the last bus from Bangor to Ards | 0:17:00 | 0:17:06 | |
and got off at Ards, met up with friends, consumed drugs and alcohol, | 0:17:06 | 0:17:11 | |
blanked out for a period of time, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
woke up and got a taxi from Ards to his mother's house. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
You told us you got the last bus to Ards. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
The last bus to Ards is at 10:20pm. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:24 | |
But you were seen leaving the hostel at 10:25pm. That's lies. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
-I was blocked and I was stoned. -No, no. -When I came out... | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
You told me... You told me what you'd done. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
Sometimes blow does that to you. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
I'm telling you, you told me lies. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
You told me lies, OK? That's all I'm saying. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
We checked the footage, the internal footage of the bus. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:46 | |
You're not on the bus. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
We know from the CCTV footage that we had already obtained from Bangor | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
that James McCoy didn't get a taxi from Ards. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
We know in fact that he got a taxi from Bangor between 4:30am and 5:00am | 0:17:56 | 0:18:01 | |
to his mother's house in Ballywalter. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
Police were able to locate the taxi driver, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
who confirmed that a young male, carrying a black holdall | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
had journeyed from Bangor to Ballywalter | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
in the early hours of July the 1st. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
He placed the black holdall he was carrying in the back seat | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
and he got into the front seat beside the taxi driver | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
and he chatted to him on route from Bangor to Ballywalter. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:25 | |
-Are you the person having the conversation with the taxi driver regarding the army? -No. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:30 | |
-Would you be willing to undergo an identification parade if you're not the person in the taxi? -No. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:35 | |
You're not willing to? | 0:18:35 | 0:18:37 | |
OK. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
During the interviews, James was asked what he had been doing that day | 0:18:39 | 0:18:44 | |
and he expressed that he had consumed quite a lot of alcohol | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
throughout the day and into the later part of the evening. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
We have CCTV footage which would confirm that. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
James had been drinking at the rear of the Simon Community on the evening of the 30th of June. | 0:18:55 | 0:19:01 | |
He'd been drinking for some time and staff were quite concerned | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
and I think at one stage the police were called and moved them on. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
At a later stage, they returned and James had been quite abusive | 0:19:09 | 0:19:14 | |
to a member of staff from the Simon Community. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
-James. -What? -Come here. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
James had a Rangers football top on | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
and he knows within the Simon Community, they're not allowed | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
to wear any football tops that would antagonise people | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
and that would appear to be the frame of mind that he was in that evening, accompanied by a lot of alcohol. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:36 | |
He was slightly aggressive and aggravating. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:41 | |
Is that you in the photograph, James? | 0:19:41 | 0:19:42 | |
-Aye. -Yes. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
I wasn't there but. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
Let's go back. This is you in the photograph. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
It looks like me but it's not me because I've got a twin brother. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:55 | |
This is you in the photograph here. You've said it's you. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
This male with the knife. Are you saying it's your twin brother? | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
-Uh-huh. -What's the name of your twin brother? -Mark. -Mark. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
-Where does Mark live? -England. -Whereabouts in England? -Manchester. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:12 | |
Whereabouts in Manchester? | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
-I don't know. I never went to see him. -I'll ask you again. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
Is that you with the knife in the photograph? | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
Or are you going to continue with this ridiculous story about your twin brother? | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
-You're on camera here. -I know. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
You've got a large knife in your hand. What has happened? | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
-What has happened in the Tara Guesthouse? -Nothing. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:37 | |
It's just my fishing knife. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:38 | |
That is you with your knife? | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
Yeah. But it's blunt. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
McCoy's far-fetched twin brother theory was no stranger | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
than the details which were yet to emerge from the interviews. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
McCoy had used Tara Guesthouse on many occasions | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
when access to the Simon Community had been denied. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
He was familiar with the layout of the house, | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
the habits of the owner and the house rules. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
It was later revealed that McCoy had been caught on the premises | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
several times by Billy Spence, | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
but the good-natured landlord had given the troubled youth | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
the benefit of the doubt and failed to report the incidents to the police. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
So do you go there on a regular basis? | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
-Sometimes. -OK. -When I've been kicked out. -OK. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
And do you go in and stay in a room? | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
No. I just go and sleep in the toilets until I sober up. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
OK. And do you know or did you know William Spence? | 0:21:41 | 0:21:46 | |
Just a wee bit. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:48 | |
We know that Billy has entered the house, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
checked the lock on the front door | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
and at some stage shortly after that, Billy has confronted James McCoy, | 0:21:54 | 0:22:00 | |
who I believe has been in his private bedroom washroom area at the time. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:05 | |
Hey! What are you doing in my room? | 0:22:05 | 0:22:09 | |
What made you go mad, James? | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
The drugs. And the drink. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
-Did you grab him first of all? -No. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
Did he grab you and try to throw you out? | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
Did he say, "There's James in my guesthouse again. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
"I've told you before, get out"? | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
I'm putting it to you that you just lost it. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
You said, "I'll show you." | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
You're running about with a big knife in your left hand. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
-That doesn't mean anything. -What sparked this, James? | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
-I'm calling the police. -Tell the truth. -I didn't kill him. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
-MAN SCREAMS Tell the truth. -I didn't. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
OK, I'm going to go through with you the injuries that you inflicted on him. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
He has large defence wounds. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:45 | |
He has knife cuts to both hands. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
He's tried to grab the blade of the knife, that's what's happened. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
-You remember that? -No. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
I don't remember nothing. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
Now, a postmortem is being carried out. | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
And the preliminary cause of death is due to stab wounds and trauma to the head. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
Now, there is a footwear pattern on his head. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
Will that pattern come back to be your training shoes? | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
-They're not mine. -The blade of the knife is at least 14.5cm long. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:15 | |
That's how deeply he was stabbed. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
-Did you stab him? -No. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
Did you jump on his head? | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
-No. -Are you sure, James? | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
Yes. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:27 | |
James McCoy had been seen leaving Tara guesthouse around 4am | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
on the morning of 1 July. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
What are those keys? | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
Car keys. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:36 | |
Police were therefore keen to know what McCoy had been doing | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
on the premises in the hours that followed his attack on Billy Spence. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
During our investigation, there was a computer, | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
which was located near the scene of the murder. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:53 | |
And beside that computer, there was a sheet of paper | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
that indicated that pornographic material was being printed out. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:00 | |
From that, we carried out analysis on the computer, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
and the computer activity started at 11:28, | 0:24:03 | 0:24:08 | |
and died off again then at 11.35. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
It resumed activity at 12.59, and was in use continuously | 0:24:13 | 0:24:18 | |
until 3:23 in the morning. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
Google was used to access pornographic websites and Bebo. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
And not only that, he had also used Billy Spence's credit card | 0:24:28 | 0:24:33 | |
to access these. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:34 | |
When you were at the computer, were you masturbating? | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
-No. -Were you? -No. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
Forensic examinations are ongoing at that scene. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:49 | |
And obviously they're being painstakingly done, | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
but in the area of the computer station, there is semen. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
As the investigation progressed, | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
we were getting some forensic results through, some very quickly, | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
and the fact that the trainers that were found in Billy's washroom, | 0:25:01 | 0:25:06 | |
within 36 hours, we were able to say that the habitual wearer | 0:25:06 | 0:25:11 | |
of those trainers was James McCoy. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
And that was good to the effect | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
that we were able to put that to James McCoy during interview. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
You're on camera with a knife. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
You've turned off the CCTV system in an attempt to cover your tracks. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
You've tried to clean your jeans. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
You have left your training shoes in a panic, covered in blood. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
We have already proved that you're the wearer of the shoes. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
When I introduced that, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
you changed your story to suit the new evidence that I introduced. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
-And I've caught you out. -Aye, dead on(!) | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
And you're sitting here, | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
and you can't show the slightest bit of remorse for what you done. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
Is there anything you want to say before we close this interview down, James? | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
I never done nothing. | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
It got to the stage where we, as the police, had sufficient evidence | 0:26:01 | 0:26:05 | |
and we had put everything to him that we could possibly put to him | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
to give them an opportunity to say his side of the story. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:13 | |
And he still denied it. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
So it got to the stage, late on Saturday evening, | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
when we charged James McCoy with the murder of Billy Spence. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:23 | |
James William McCoy is charged with murdering Billy Spence | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
here at the Tara Guesthouse on Tuesday. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
He's 19, and his address was given in court as the Simon Community Hostel | 0:26:30 | 0:26:35 | |
at Central Avenue in Bangor. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:36 | |
James McCoy continued to plead not guilty, | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
until the first day of his trial in January, 2010, | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
when he changed his plea to guilty. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
The defence had described McCoy as a vulnerable young man, | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
because of his circumstances and mental health problems. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
He was convicted of murder and aggravated burglary | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
and given a life sentence with a minimum tariff of 12and-a-half years. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:04 | |
In my work, I would see death a fair amount, obviously, so I would. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
But when I look at the death of Billy, I struggle with it greatly, | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
because of the violence. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
It just didn't sink in. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:19 | |
You just didn't think that that could happen to Billy. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
You know, he was the nicest man ever, and you just thought, | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
"Who on Earth would ever have done that to him?" | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
I don't go round there any more. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:29 | |
I've nothing to go there for any more. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:31 | |
I'd rather stay at this side of the road. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
It's too... It's sad. Big gap. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
I think with Billy's sad passing, | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
a great hole has been left in the town of Bangor. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
He probably didn't realise how much he was respected. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
Not just locally, but farther afield. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:52 | |
And if I may, I would like to read a card here | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
that was sent from a young man called Stephen. | 0:27:56 | 0:28:01 | |
"I needed to say something. I am deeply sorry for your loss. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
"I lived in Billy's house for a few years in the late '80s. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
"I was going through a strange time in my life, | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
"but his kindness to me went way beyond giving me a home. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:15 | |
"Billy fed me often, talked to me and gave me time and counsel and advice | 0:28:15 | 0:28:20 | |
"that has had a lasting, positive influence on my life." | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
That's only one card of many cards | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
and letters that came in to the family at that time. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
And I think that it showed just what a sense of loss there really is | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
in this tragedy. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
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